veteran-class

[devout atlas]

ohhh i see, well now i know mwahahaa

[oak lion]

yeah those are doodoo, but pointless nodes that tax points are an overall Veteran problem not just the middletree

[topaz lance]

I dunno actually, maybe give you movement + attack speed after a grenade goes off or something.

CHaaarge

[slow spade]

And you might have to get Survivalist aura for another 2 point tax

[kind scarab]

My good, dearest friend. That is not todays hotfix. Those are the fucking shadow nerf's/buff's they didn't fucking tell anyone about till today.

[static lily]

it's because they hate you making them feel like every patch has been vet nerfs since the big rework

[celest vine]

“Those who look down on the lasgun have never been shot at by 1000 of them”

[devout atlas]

what weps should I run with this? I'm doing Vraks for headhunter/deadly accurate and my "shovel"

[celest vine]

Shitloads of shooters can he deadly

[devout atlas]

ty tho :P

[oak lion]

i take the revive boost with my middle tree :3

[grave cargo]

Go sharpshooter
+lmao damage -holy fuck where is my health

Go shouty
+wow I love all these various buffs -mmm I wish I could kill these 29 ragers faster

Go stealthy
+I am doomslayer -man I miss having infinite grenades

[slow spade]

Ogryn shield special 💪💪💪

[quasi dust]

plasma is king!

[celest vine]

There you go

[devout atlas]

I was considering it but i cant grab all the perks I want </3

[celest vine]

Good with lasguns

[serene sage]

yeah. they might need to change the tree again lol
i dont think it's a buff/nerf problem (though please lessen the Confirmed Kills nerf), it's a structure prolbem

[delicate moat]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9db0b6-8da3-4d8c-8c1a-37a4416d13e9/ventilation-purge-simulator?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button AM certified

[plucky agate]

it still should work with survivalist, frags, exec and focus builds. Role stay the same. stay at the backline popping heads and earning stacks until you basically one shot anything that moves

[devout atlas]

gonna run this since its pretty generalist

[oak lion]

I kill ragers with my Catachan and by throwing a Krak under my feet and blocking

it just sounds like you have a skill issue

[grave cargo]

This is actually really close to what I do with sharpshooter yeah

[gaunt hinge]

i simply told myself the patch notes by reading every node upon tree update

[grave cargo]

I do still take execution stance though

[devout atlas]

I FORGOT ABOUT DEMO TEAM

[grave cargo]

But tbh I wonder if it’s worth it if you’re not running a headhunter

[celest vine]

I dont get the crit chance i like to by default

[forest maple]

LOL just queued up and saw a veteran using a gray 294 rating tactical axe

[plucky agate]

bro just listed the actual trade offs. you cant have everything or the game just becomes a crutch theres got to be trade offs

[forest maple]

dipped faster than you can imagine

[delicate moat]

my favorite build*

[celest vine]

The gun compensates thi

[delicate estuary]

CHAD

[grave cargo]

AGAIN my issue is vet is the only guy making these trade offs

[static lily]

literally just psyker lol

[quasi dust]

you went a long way for that +25% ammo. i never felt like it was worth it. but im also a plasma vet who hardly right clicks

[delicate estuary]

giving up useful nodes just to use smoke nades

[cosmic aurora]

Chain smoker build huh

[static lily]

you can do just about everything

[grave cargo]

His tree is arguably even balanced but everyone else is just a do everything class rn

[celest vine]

I like to shoot

Even with this i dont have enough powerpacks

[shell ginkgo]

Fellas they nerfed Vet again. They stole my leg.

[celest vine]

[forest maple]

25% ammo node should be way higher

[celest vine]

Class default perk

[static lily]

the only issue I have with psyker is I want brainburst to have a point to do more to bosses

[tall torrent]

I run this
Mk2 combat axe + plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

Damn

[topaz lance]

true, though at least I can pick it up easier after the last patch

[umbral scaffold]

I need that leg

[forest maple]

should be that connecting one from the top row

[gaunt hinge]

they should give the damage amp back to brain burst 😡

[umbral scaffold]

He just like me 🥺🥺

[forest maple]

so all builds take it

[umbral scaffold]

He just like me fr fr 😭😭😭😭

[scenic basin]

So how would a good sharpshooter build look like since I don't want to test stuff out because I am lazy af

[devout atlas]

I'm gonna run this for the fuck of it

[umbral scaffold]

Yall gonna cry when you see my vet build tbh

[slow spade]

I'd drop the weakspot damage for longshot

[grave cargo]

Agreed. The worst part of the change was all the good talents being at the bottom

[umbral scaffold]

Not happy tears either

[plucky agate]

watchu mean psyker has this problem

I go brainburst - ez elite kills
good luck handling 90 poxwalkers doh

I go smite - no one moves hordes are irrelevant
wont stop the 5 ogryns that have 10000 HP doh

Go assail
Yeah it does good snipe damage
but you got limited AMMO as a PSYKER

theres always tradeoffs

[scenic bronze]

Feels like you forgot 10 points lol

[devout atlas]

I forgot longshot existed let me figure out how I can make this work

[topaz lance]

does longshot apply to nades?

[grave cargo]

brainburst good luck killing hordes

Dude just take a Voidstrike wdym lmao

[celest vine]

Itll stop crushers from moving

[slow spade]

Genuinely don't know

[umbral scaffold]

Brainburst psyker bad

Assail good

[static lily]

that's dumb

lol

[oak lion]

fr the only one without many tradeoffs is Ogryn rn

[quasi dust]

i love how they made all nades more accessible for any build

[plucky agate]

you can try mine

[static lily]

you're talking as if you only mainline your burst

lol

[dapper vessel]

lets see it

[slow spade]

Drop the Field Improv for Longshot?

[worthy pelican]

brainburst needs like 50% off its cast time cut off baseline, feels like ass to use

[grave cargo]

What’s a tradeoff zealot makes that matters

[umbral scaffold]

One sec finally loading in lmao had to reinstall the game

[grave cargo]

I have yet to figure out a bad build for this guy

[devout atlas]

fuck deadshot my vraks crits on its own with headhunter anyway ^.^

[grave cargo]

Only least insane one

[slow spade]

Damage 💪💪💪

[static lily]

just give it more damage on bosses, or some other mechanic to make it feel more impactful

[grave cargo]

Either you’re shitting damage, you’re unkillable, or you are speed (and shitting out damage)

[umbral scaffold]

SPEEEED

[devout atlas]

oh wait im running an infil build that means I can take chainsword HURRAY

[grave cargo]

And in all cases you only have durability matched by ogryn

[oak lion]

ranged enemies

[gaunt hinge]

drop aura radius and twinned nade for tactical reload, drop the +1 stamina connector node and pick up movespeed 😎

[static lily]

either way

my funny braced autogun build is dead

[devout atlas]

hmgnnghrgh ur right hrenghh

[quasi dust]

dmb why dont yyou terrorize the other class channels because you cant seem to stop talking about them? let us discuss vet things

[delicate moat]

based

[static lily]

so I am sad with the patch no matter what really

[marble hare]

You know.. since we're smuggling stimms out in the new mission, why can't smoke nades also stimm

[grave cargo]

Pressing ult

[static lily]

because autoguns are fun

[delicate estuary]

never been disappointed to a hotfix patch man, where is the fix for my ET REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[grave cargo]

Nothing personell kid

Or I just shoot them

[umbral scaffold]

ma arriving at the arena

"WHY CANT I DO THESE DRUGS MAJOR????"

[slow spade]

Thematic for the setting 💪

[gaunt hinge]

probably filled with nurgle herpes

[grave cargo]

I’ve never had an issue with ranged enemies as zealot

[oak lion]

now now offsetting tradeoffs with weapons is not a thing you mentioned when shittalking the Veteran changes

[celest vine]

“Theres too many gunners”

“Why not shoot them?”

[grave cargo]

If you’re actually complaining about that idk what tell you but skill issue

It’s easier to deal with shooters as zealot than vet

[surreal mountain]

Are people forgetting that Zealot has a gun

[devout atlas]

wait actually this would work, fuck it

[celest vine]

Idk man veteran is the shooty class, if you have gunner issues its a skill issue

[plucky agate]

thats the plan until you stop smiting and he starts his over head swing animation instantly

[umbral scaffold]

How do I post the long picture of my build like that?

[static lily]

they always do, mainly because they like the flamer instead

[grave cargo]

You either have a gapclose, can just go invis entirely, or you can stunlock a giant room

[devout atlas]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[grave cargo]

And even if you don’t have any of those you can just sprint into them while sliding and melee lock them

[tall torrent]

is the shotgun skin in the shop new?

[slow spade]

There's a shotgun skin?

[grave cargo]

Zealot is not weak against shooters if you know what you’re doing and don’t leeroy Jenkins like a moron

[hollow solstice]

Sliding:

[tawdry swan]

I just run shotgun on zealot i never have an issue any thing. Not the best at like snipers but thats it. And usually can take care of even them just fine tbh

[umbral scaffold]

I actually am liking the axe for my veteren I just chose full damage pretty much and also flak and maniac

[umbral scaffold]

It’s very fun and more enjoyable sadly over my devil claw :/ I do feel it needs a buff again still

[delicate moat]

is there some nuance to powersword charging? Sometimes it's as if I can't charge powersword

[slow spade]

Oh nice c:

[umbral scaffold]

The devil claws at least should make me do damage or stagger on flak enemies

[surreal mountain]

Nut

[tawdry swan]

Gunners get shit on by shotgun

[slow spade]

MK3 or Mk6?

[tall torrent]

prob the coolest shotgun skin imo

[delicate moat]

mk6

[devout atlas]

what should I do to this thing? replace cara with maniac?

[dapper vessel]

yes

[devout atlas]

alr

[tawdry swan]

why do people prefer mk6 power sword

[delicate moat]

like i would press the charge button but it doesn't charge

[dapper vessel]

2 shotting crushers and maulers

[serene sage]

If you get tagged by melee you lose your charge?

[grave cargo]

Better modifiers

[slow spade]

MK6 slows when charging but you can block

MK3 does not slow but you cannot block

[surreal mountain]

It looks gorgeous but hot damn grabbing that charging handle must SUCK

[celest vine]

Did the shop reset?

[slow spade]

Server input issue

[brisk umbra]

two/three shots maulers and great clear speed with light attack combo

[delicate moat]

i cri

[slow spade]

Check your ping

[harsh geyser]

Silly question, why the las weapon perk if you’re using braced auto gun

[grave cargo]

Both are fine but you’ll get more mileage off maniac

[plucky agate]

my point is evey tree has their own specialty and trade offs like the veteran. And we use weapon choices and blessings to counteract those trade offs.

[devout atlas]

im going to crill my self

[grave cargo]

Especially if you’re not going executioner

[analog blaze]

Cursed image

[surreal mountain]

One in a krillion

[quasi dust]

i just wish i could have superiority complex too

[umbral scaffold]

Wait is that new skin ?

[delicate moat]

i had 2 server crashes today already

[umbral scaffold]

Are skins out now?!

Jabdjshdhansdh

[slow spade]

Oh god they weren't slow before?

[umbral scaffold]

SEND me pics of new cosmetics in shop please guys I wanna see some new ones

[devout atlas]

so sad... without exec stance i cant 1 shot (10 stacks of marksmans)

[surreal mountain]

Are any of you guys on console btw

[sharp epoch]

guys they nerfed vet again on the hotfix

[slow spade]

Just to be safe

[tawdry swan]

I think veteran tree is designed kinda bad it just feels weird
But in terms of overall effectiveness I think veterans cry too much vet is fine

[tall torrent]

also knife skin but idk if I wanna get

[slow spade]

If we had more points, it'd be fine

[delicate moat]

i like the knife skin

[gaunt hinge]

just press the button and it charges 🤷

[slow spade]

We do not

[tall torrent]

3 more points would go a long way

[static lily]

yeah your point is moot because you tried using a faulty example

also

[umbral scaffold]

I couldn't get just a picture of it on mobile but here's the link to basically my exact build.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa0c07e-c33f-42fe-91c7-164abe9f051f/cracked?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[slow spade]

Indeed, I would get +25% ammo

[grave cargo]

How

[devout atlas]

fuck dude why do i keep making literally all my builds infiltrator i am addicted to this stupid ass ability 😭

[surreal mountain]

Nah they just clarified more nerfs from the most recent update

[umbral scaffold]

I still need to finish my curios and get a better sword though.

[static lily]

oh because I was just using deadshot and stacking dodge stamina regain on it

and I can still do that, but it is harder to do with most of the nerfs

[devout atlas]

my builds rn... skulls are infils shields are shouts

crying

[static lily]

that something that was semi-viable is now just trash

and I do not want to int my friends

[grave cargo]

If everyone can do something but one class is worse at it then it’s worse at it simple as. Also vet still has the worst invisible base stats so that’s kind of part of the issue I guess. Kinda wish all the humans just had the same base stats and modifiers

[surreal mountain]

I'm so glad that Vet was so broken overpowered and they finally balanced him. Like Gunzerker from BL2 finally having pimperhab fixed

[slow spade]

Get the ping keystone, there's an upgrade that gives stam regen

[grave cargo]

I don’t really think those old stats are still worth balancing around anymore

[static lily]

ping doesn't work well

[grave cargo]

The classes have changed so much

[oak lion]

i agree on the base stat thing

[sharp epoch]

i think since patch 13 vets been weakest though

[static lily]

though IG it works better then weapon switch

[dawn yacht]

And they'll have to change again anyway if they alter them

[slow spade]

How so? Works fine for me

The only bug I found was helpful

[kind scarab]

Man, seriously fuck this shit

[tall torrent]

Patch14 vet not bad at all

[flint lake]

the changes to the abillities are good but the structure of the trees are terrible

[dawn yacht]

I think the ping is bugged this patch. It seems to be able to quick press the "go here" pointer

[kind scarab]

All the people I queue up with today are potatos

[grave cargo]

Vet has 100% been the weakest since 13. It’s partially him getting DUMPSTERED from what he was before but they also just buffed the shit out everyone else

[oak lion]

me every day

[kind scarab]

This is the fourth game in a row I lose today

It's never been this bad

[delicate moat]

lmao

[kind scarab]

before this update

[grave cargo]

If everyone was vet level as he is right now

[delicate moat]

auric?

[grave cargo]

I think I’d be ok with that tbh

[kind scarab]

Not even auric

[slow spade]

Fatshark added a shitty "double ping" setting. Turn it off in settings

[kind scarab]

That's the worst part

[opal dove]

Left side is quite weak, to be honest. Is not a matter of "crying". Played yesterday with a new config and it was bad. Kissing the floor more than ever.

[surreal mountain]

All I know is that since I started playing from release on console like a month ago, I don't see any reason to use him over any other class. He doesn't do anything better than the other classes and can't be a JOAT either

[dawn yacht]

Weird. ok thanks

[delicate moat]

normal damnation can be harder than auric quite often

[kind scarab]

Nono

[grave cargo]

I just wish everyone was A tier if Vet is gonna be A tier

[kind scarab]

It feels like they fucked up the spawns while making the new map

The randos I play with keep getting overwhelmed, no matter how much crap I kill

[slow spade]

Middle has all the toughness regen

Left's toughness regen is bugged and makes you take more damage lol

[grave cargo]

Having three SSS tier classes and then Vet feels bad man

[delicate moat]

oh the new map is cracked

[hollow ibex]

they def "tweaked" the AI director

[kind scarab]

Before i could just kill everything, and it would be fine

But the director is fucking MERCILESS on the randoms now

[surreal mountain]

Vet has Genji syndrome

[kind scarab]

and I just can't do everything alone

[grave cargo]

Yes it’s because clear rates were too high on auric

[kind scarab]

[grave cargo]

So they just decided

[dawn yacht]

You're not supposed to do everything alone

[tall torrent]

Dude the new map with 13 gunner spawns in the first arena is crazy

[grave cargo]

“Oh shit we buffed weapons too much”

[opal dove]

Yep. Right now, middle (plus some things of the sides) is the strongest configuration

[grave cargo]

“Quick double enemy spawn rates”

[slow spade]

He's just trolling, ignore him

[hollow ibex]

that shit is so annoying lol

[delicate moat]

the first arena is hard

[grave cargo]

He’s not even talking about me lmfao

[delicate moat]

there's not much good cover

[static lily]

it's so easy

[grave cargo]

I love that you hate me this much it’s delicious

[delicate moat]

but if u bring smokes...

[static lily]

just don't play vet and ignore gunners because you have a bubble shield

[slow spade]

Oh oops sorry

[surreal mountain]

Guys the new mission is easy just use Mesa's 4th to clear the adds

[slow spade]

Gunners rip through the shield sadly

Its not reliable

[static lily]

idk

[slow spade]

No upgrade for shield hp 😩

[delicate moat]

too many people sleeping on smokes smh

[grave cargo]

Mutants were changed to be harder to kill with some weapons

[kind scarab]

Better to have a shield for 1 second than no shield at all tbh

[grave cargo]

In theory

[static lily]

I consistently clear when I use psyker

because of shields

[grave cargo]

In practice I kill them easier than ever now

[static lily]

either bubble or directional

[sharp epoch]

yeah unless your a god at vet theres no way you can carry your team anymore

[grave cargo]

Which is why they now spawn in packs of 5

[slow spade]

I guess but it does feel bad for a 45sec cd

[dawn yacht]

Bro the shield does just fine in giving you the space you need to thin that firing line

[kind scarab]

Anyway, I got all the plasteel I needed for my thing

[grave cargo]

Thanks Fatshark

[static lily]

take warpcharge

[gaunt hinge]

the arena end objective?

[static lily]

it's so good

[dawn yacht]

It's not meant to hold up to that kind of fire but it's still very much useful

[flint lake]

I like that they front load the difficulty and spike it again at the end. It kills bad groups fast so folks don't waste time fighting all the way to the end just to get trashed.

[static lily]

and you want it to keep shield uptime

[sharp epoch]

ogryn I can carry easily as, same with zealot

[slow spade]

True, I should invest more points into it

[grave cargo]

It’s a lot harder now yes, right tree is better now and easier to carry with though

[sharp epoch]

psykers too squishy to carry as because one mistake your dead

[sour elbow]

Go to have scones and afternoon tea (srsly, being english is awesome) and the patch dropped. Did they fix the toughness trait? :<

[gaunt hinge]

oh the one with all the tables and shit

[delicate moat]

it's the drop down room with the center objective

[tall torrent]

Is it even worth trying to do the doors in the final arena

[gaunt hinge]

yeah that ones kinda oomfie

[south garnet]

I carried my team multiple times yesterday, but there did eventually come a point where not having a team that actually helps... didn't help, and we lost :^(

[grave cargo]

Left tree is extremely unforgiving

[slow spade]

And no they didn't

[grave cargo]

It’s not worth actually going down the entire sharpshooter tree

[sharp epoch]

yeah you basically have to go full survivabillity/melee build to not get folded like origami

[delicate moat]

the 13 shotgunners shoving u back is annoying too

[grave cargo]

The early sharpshooter buffs are

Kinda irrelevant

[surreal mountain]

Imo I see Psyker like a support in that way because he tends to make the game far easier for everyone but himself

[grave cargo]

I don’t even know if executioner stance is worth it without a headhunter now

[slow spade]

Purg psyker has tons of durability

[flint lake]

If you wanna have fun, but if you just want to win and don't mind standing around its better to just hoold the enterance for the whole event. The finale needs a rework.

[sour elbow]

sadface

[kind scarab]

I am done making the funny build.

[gaunt hinge]

how is it not easy for himself

[slow spade]

Crit build purg psyker is funny

[cinder warren]

GUYS i need everyone to type in all caps JOIN HERETIC so I can convince my gf to get into Warhammer help a fellow Zel

[static lily]

literally only been playing vet to clear Melk Milk and going back to psyker afterwards because he feels like shit in comparison

[surreal mountain]

Schizophrenia

[grave cargo]

Or a revolver

[gaunt hinge]

true

[grave cargo]

Executioner stance is 100% worth it with revolver

110%

[slow spade]

You sure got the Vet attitude 💪

[sharp epoch]

I'd say psyker is more a DPS role, super squishy, but outputs a lot of damage and maybe staggers, also can snipe with brainbursts

[south garnet]

I think the new vet tree is alright aside from the bloat, but with the bloat it's just... hard to get comfortable with. Even with the last tree I felt like I could eke out several pretty disparate playstyles and have them be functional. With this one it's more difficult, partly because so many of the nodes were nerfed due to the keystone buffs - essentially assuming you'll be taking one or another.

[surreal mountain]

You mean like what Vet is supposed to be good at

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance with revolver ? Isnt a bit overkill ?

[slow spade]

Big number though

[static lily]

it's a do everything role lol

[kind scarab]

@spark helm

[grave cargo]

Yes

[south garnet]

And if you do take the keystones, it throttles the rest of your build to some very specific channels.

[kind scarab]

Here's the funny shotgun build. It uses left capstone, and keeps stacks up by accuracy by volume.

[slow spade]

Beast of nurgle appears

[grave cargo]

I WANT to one shot the Crushers

[static lily]

you get the ability on psyker

[sharp epoch]

Vet should be DPS too, but they turned him into a support/melee character for some reason and made the ranged build shet

[topaz lance]

I need it to hit crusher and mauler 1 taps
also wallhacks

[wanton dawn]

If you go right with revolver you already have guaranteed crit after 3 melee kill

[static lily]

to CC, DPS, Snipe, Shield

[slow spade]

Vet can dps with plasma

[grave cargo]

But only one

[sharp epoch]

hey thats ogryn

[worthy pelican]

you fucking melt specials and bosses with left keystone wdym

[slow spade]

Very comfy boss damage dps

[flint lake]

exec stance is much worse than the other feats just by virtue of not providing insta toughness regen.

[static lily]

and use guns to a surprising level of effectiveness

[grave cargo]

I can’t kill 9 crushers in a row with right tree

[static lily]

ogryns don't have bubbleshields tbf

but also I don't play them

[wanton dawn]

I can

[grave cargo]

Lmao

[static lily]

they're the only class haven't touched

[grave cargo]

Well yeah I can but not with my revolver

[umbral scaffold]

i can, i will and i have

[sharp epoch]

yeah they dont need when they can eat three gunners at once while regening toughness

[south garnet]

Feels like OG vet in a way almost. Everyone basically takes the same ult, unless they take the other ult, and virtually nobody takes the 3rd. Everyone ends up carrying revolver or plasma and a PS.

[surreal mountain]

They made vet into hard mode

[flint lake]

without exhil takedown, executioner vets are going to have a tough time

[surreal mountain]

Just play gooder

[wanton dawn]

I do it with mah melay weapon !

[untold mulch]

Fatshark development circle?

[devout atlas]

if i already have kraks for my laspis build, what melee should i run (i was running mk6 previously)

[south garnet]

The only thing missing is every vet dressed exactly the same too

oh wait they are, krieg

[sharp epoch]

Probably third worse gunclass atp, gunker and gunlugger ogryn way better

[static lily]

shovel for funni

[surreal mountain]

I honestly get a huge kick out of seeing so many Kriegers

[devout atlas]

wait ik, devil claw for boss defense/dps and general horde-clear

[kind scarab]

I made shotgun into a discount boltor

[finite imp]

What was the 32 MB update?

[sharp epoch]

80% of the kriegers are xbox players

[serene sage]

My PS6 can 2 shot Crushers with a level 3 +Carapace perk

[frank ether]

there is also penance guard drip but thats pretty based at least

[surreal mountain]

:)

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

I just let the burn damage kill them after a few headhsots

[serene sage]

I think consistently 2 shotting crushers is very easy now

[static lily]

man

[sharp epoch]

Alr just swap your thing to maniac, it'll give you the breakpoint for light headshot on trapper and 3 shot on ragers light

[serene sage]

Wrong reply friend but okay 👍

[static lily]

for the emperor just sucks ass

10% damage for 5 seconds every 30 seconds

lol

[serene sage]

Yee already did. Shit slaps.

[sharp epoch]

Nice nice

[grave cargo]

Psyker builds

1. Kill everything (staff)
2. Kill everything (disco rave)
3. Kill everything (aimbot)

Ogryn builds

1. I’m fuckin invincible
2. I’m fuckin invincible gun version

Zealot builds

1. Sonics the name speeds my game
2. Im not locked in here with you you’re locked in here with me
3. Yeah I just want to ignore every mechanic like being stunned or dying thanks

Vet builds

1. I will kill everything in 1 hit and also die in the same
2. Mods, kill this man
3. Doomslayer

[umbral scaffold]

Close enough lmaoo

[sharp epoch]

Those on ability talents need to be removed like no one wants that shit

[mystic escarp]

yo, fellow agri enjoyer, check out mine
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa01a83-b37d-43de-9509-000bd4c23885/pswordbased-and-agripilled

[finite imp]

UNderpowered

[south garnet]

the objectively correct way to outfit your character is thusly - the most difficult penance piece, a beta tester or preorder piece, and a grossly overpriced and gaudy cash shop piece.

This establishes your skill/dedication, your authority, and your wealth to all the filthy rabble you meet in pubs

[sharp epoch]

vet would still be c tier with that

[static lily]

I would rather have a 5% ranged damage node

lol

[serene sage]

Skip the Smoke Nade, too, and it's perfect

[grave cargo]

This is just what playing zealot feels like lmao

[static lily]

it would literally give me more damage

[wooden oar]

Vet S tier forever.

[grave cargo]

Nothing I’ve done has ever felt like I’m missing something

Except thy wrath be swift

[sharp epoch]

Just straight remove, it'll be faster to get the keystone that way

[grave cargo]

I always notice if I don’t pick that one up

[umbral scaffold]

All penance then funny cash shop goggle

[sharp epoch]

It's already 20-21 points to get keystone like bruh

[devout atlas]

I wish you could give loadout icons... more icons, like two instead of just 1 so I can differentiate better

[kind scarab]

I see you didn't take top left most capstone

Smart choice

[grave cargo]

Yeah I wish every tree narrowed into a single point

[gaunt hinge]

how many is it for other classes

[proper delta]

Doomslayer pog

[grave cargo]

So you didn’t have to waste points picking 5% melee damage and 25% suppression

[surreal mountain]

Show me doom slayer build

[umbral scaffold]

17-18

[devout atlas]

it does

[grave cargo]

Right tree

[devout atlas]

half joking

[sharp epoch]

17 for psyker, 18 for zealot ogryn

[surreal mountain]

Thank

[grave cargo]

Literally right tree is just doomslayer

[kind scarab]

I'll try it out compared to mine. Though our shotguns are slightly different

[sharp epoch]

Also veteran keystones are bloated af, we can spend 6 points on one keystone

[devout atlas]

this is only when you kill a specialist right

[south garnet]

I always forget about the vet archetype ability, sucking an egg

[grave cargo]

You’re fast you have a shitton of damage and you have pretty great toughness gen

And your melee and ranged options are both good

[finite imp]

bro did that hotfix nerf us even harder

[brave egret]

did they fix exhilirating takedown yet?

[slow spade]

Only specialists

No elites

[proper delta]

right but only when I do it correct?

[grave cargo]

Mostly but there are some benefits

[devout atlas]

ye ye

[finite imp]

fucking WHY

[sharp epoch]

nope not important wnough for the hotfix

[mystic escarp]

Perhaps
Your's good, but I hate standing still to get those bonuses, tho they are somehow good

[cosmic aurora]

It’s just notes that weren’t included. No actual changes

[finite imp]

oh gotcha

why the 32mb then

[calm prairie]

Did they fix the node making you take more damage instead of reducing

[proper delta]

no

[fast scaffold]

The hotfix fixed map stuff

[finite imp]

Working as intended

[calm prairie]

lol

[kind scarab]

Don't gotta stand still with shotgun really, since you can just run and gun

[calm prairie]

Nice

[proper delta]

im just in here to plug shotguns

[grave cargo]

Well to be fair

[devout atlas]

damn my lawbringer can kill scab flamers from 20m away reliably 😭

[kind scarab]

Why you putting plugs into shotguns

[grave cargo]

Those are just the nerfs we’ve already had but actually telling us about them

[finite imp]

NO I DONT WANNA BE FAIR

[kind scarab]

How many shots?

[sharp epoch]

kickback shotgun just feels good i wish vet had something like that

[devout atlas]

one

[tawdry swan]

I need to try shotgun on vet
My go to gun on zealot is kant shotgun it feels amazing

[proper delta]

plug do more dmg and procs no respite

[mystic escarp]

Meh, still feels like I GOTTA STAND STILL DON'T LOSE THOSE SWEET STACKS OH JESUS ONE IS GONE MY PRECIOUS DAMAGE IS GONE

[kind scarab]

Bleed damage?

[mystic escarp]

ahem

[devout atlas]

nope

[zinc osprey]

Shooter vet feels... bad?

[serene sage]

Okay but did you know we have a straight up +10% melee damage node?

[devout atlas]

outright killed

[grave cargo]

Shotgun is really good on vet now

[serene sage]

That shit is bonker

[grave cargo]

It’s actually better on vet than zealot for the time in

Ever

[south garnet]

I'm gonna upgrade a lawbringer today and it better be based or I'm sending you a bill

[kind scarab]

Explain?

[mystic escarp]

Always has been

[grave cargo]

Nah

[proper delta]

see not just me

[zinc osprey]

Anybondy using the Kantrael MG 4 on damnation?

[kind scarab]

Only way I can do 20m range is with agri's slug

[devout atlas]

marksmans focus, weakpoint, deadeye

[kind scarab]

[grave cargo]

Slug shotty was better on zealot than vet since he made it work for way cheaper

[kind scarab]

I guess just the overwhelming base damage

[static lily]

ig this is what I would do for a Braced Graia 4 build?

[mystic escarp]

Tried everything in patch 14 with MG 4, it kinda sucks

[grave cargo]

Arguably he still does

[static lily]

idk

[slim ocean]

Which shotgun exactly?

[grave cargo]

But vet can turn it into a DMR

[static lily]

just feels worse then before completely

[scenic basin]

So I've tried the new mission 3 times and 3 times the team got wiped. Is it the new mission hard or my build is complete shit?

[grave cargo]

All of them are viable

[proper delta]

i also run slug on zealot lol

[serene bough]

Yes its good

[south garnet]

so, does lawbringer proc 15 stacks like immediately on left keystone with alt fire?

[shell ginkgo]

I'll report back how it goes when I do.

[south garnet]

in a horde?

[slim ocean]

Which is your favorite? I haven't ran lawbringer in months

[proper delta]

wouldnt use lawbringer but only because it has no sauce

[devout atlas]

yes

[south garnet]

neat

[mystic escarp]

What gun are you playing?

[proper delta]

i use slug personally

[grave cargo]

You build slug shotty as a DMR, you build fire shotty for when you don’t go ranged focus and just rely on the DOT

[scenic basin]

Lucius mk2

[grave cargo]

Lawbringer is amazing for clearing crowds

[kind scarab]

Nevermind, mine can too, I just never tried

[devout atlas]

I still run camo over it

[kind scarab]

[slim ocean]

Definitely no sauce

[umbral scaffold]

No rn the mission is set to overdrive

For testing spawns

[zinc osprey]

Do you run it on a marksman build?

[grave cargo]

Can work as a DMR or even on a no ranged bonus damage vet

[dusk idol]

the lawbringer is just solid all round

[mystic escarp]

Oh damn gotta check that out

[grave cargo]

Yeah it’s great

They gutted it for the longest time

Glad to see it back

[mystic escarp]

meh

[serene sage]

Take frag with Tinkered. Trust me you'll feel better.

[proper delta]

try this with slug shotty and any good melee

[sharp epoch]

both, your build is really squishy and also they increased rhe difficulty

[serene bough]

i run kraks and stealth with it, using most of the marksman tree and some from squad leader

i dont touch keystones

[serene sage]

Exec Stance build without frag is too positional dependent, frag lets you bail

[dusk idol]

lawbringer moment

[mystic escarp]

Can I one shot maulers with that?

[slim ocean]

Oh nice I'll give it a shot tonight

[zinc osprey]

This looks cool

[proper delta]

two shot to the stomach with slug and weapon swap

i believe

[devout atlas]

lawbringer - amazing general use, insane horde-clear potential, use with marksman

agripinaa - stack reload buffs, go crazy with the slugs, marksman focus too, can actually work on exec stance not fucking joking

kantrael - only one thats a bit odd due to not rewarding precision as much, even though its the highest damage option its effective elite/specialist kill range can be rather low due to spread, i'd use this on zealot rather than vet imho

[tawdry swan]

Only thing that makes me sad is I love being immune to suppression and the 30% reload speed on top left

[sharp epoch]

shout without the ability refresh is crazy

[zinc osprey]

INteresting

[fleet ferry]

Does the crit chance from Reciprocity affect both weapons?

[mystic escarp]

The struggle

[hard cave]

post vet drip please

[zinc osprey]

That' might be the play for me lmfao

[serene bough]

mg4 las has so much ammo capacity and fire rate

[proper delta]

you barely reload with always prepared keystone mod you just have to constantly load the slug

[fleet ferry]

I mean melee and ranged

[serene bough]

so dipping into precision strikes and 15% elite damage is usualy enough to 2-3 hit kill enemies while also being able to freely mag dump into crowds of gunners

[mystic escarp]

Try out mine https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa01a83-b37d-43de-9509-000bd4c23885/pswordbased-and-agripilled tho it lacks melee, but there's nothing power sword can't handle

[devout atlas]

I just like looking generic

[sour elbow]

I'm starting to lean towards not bothering with the keystone myself for my build.

[forest maple]

yoo, plasma reaches new breakpoints with focus target?

[proper delta]

it is sad but i haven't gotten got yet

[forest maple]

i can one shot ragers now

[grave cargo]

You take kantrel when you don’t take any ranger damage boosts tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Henchman 3

[grave cargo]

The fire shot DoT is solid

[hard cave]

adequate drip

[tawdry swan]

What is the slug you guys are talking about? Whichshotgun

[devout atlas]

agripinaa is the sluggy

[zinc osprey]

agri

[grave cargo]

Works great with weapon specialist too since guaranteed crits and crits apply a stronger DOT

[scenic basin]

Huh? Did they nerf Krak or something?

[proper delta]

usually with armor i spam slug to stagger cc

[serene bough]

ill use middle and right node

[grave cargo]

No frags are just more flexible

[shell ginkgo]

Nerfed explosive vs Monstrosities

[mystic escarp]

Weapons specialist granting 100% crit after 3 melee kils makes Kantrael very good
Just take man-stopper and flechette, load fire round and pierce through crowd

[serene bough]

im not convinced marksman's focus is good yet

[grave cargo]

I still prefer krak

[kind scarab]

It's only after 1 kill

[grave cargo]

The utility on bosses was still the stunlock

Not the damage

[scenic basin]

So what would you suggest? I want to run Helbore with sharpshooter build. Don't see much bulkiness there

[crude wind]

good on certain weapons but the least applicable keystone for sure

[grave cargo]

Kraks are basically the same they just don’t cheese bosses as hard as before

Don’t worry they’ll still one shot crushers

[crude wind]

sec

[mystic escarp]

It works with Crushers and Bulwarks, but everything else is killable
Even maulers, just hit them in a chest instead of head

[kind scarab]

I find the fact I can now use a shotgun to oneshot pretty much gunners, elites and specials funny

[mystic escarp]

What

[tawdry swan]

I mean I deleted bosses so fast with the stealth and the things that added up to 60% close dmg on ability use then just throwing all my kraks

[kind scarab]

But at the same time, not entirely sure if I want to use them in this current patch

[tawdry swan]

not sure how good that is now

[kind scarab]

The AI director seems to have his panties in a twist, and I need more firepower than a single bullet reload gun can provide

[sour elbow]

To be fair, I find it's great when I stand there and start shooting things repeatedly. So it's very good with las rifles and the like, and the stacks don't deplete if you headshot (and headshot kill) which you are going to be doing with a lasrifle if you aren't poo.

[umbral scaffold]

Someone @ me on the pic for the new cosmetics please 🙂 I’m at work rn

[harsh geyser]

hold that pose heretic

[sour elbow]

For something with low capacity though...? Ehhhh.

[devout atlas]

agri with every reload bonus and 10% reload perk is fucking nuts LMAO

[mystic escarp]

Can you show us?

[devout atlas]

dont judge the 10% reload this one already came with it

[delicate moat]

i cant attempt to carry when teammates KEEP BLOWING UP POXBURSTERS

[kind scarab]

I can't afford it on my build, if I want to be able to oneshot everything like I'm currently doing with it

[devout atlas]

yea one sec

[dusk idol]

the shotgun with either of the reload perk is still nice

[tawdry swan]

Whats ur build

[frosty lark]

Coming from a recovering Psyker main, which weapons are considered Vet meta?

[sour elbow]

yeah, that's the big problem with the vet talent tree imo. All trunk, no branching.

[proper delta]

unfortunately i don't think the reload stuff applies to the slug load but if it did i'd run that shit

[zinc osprey]

I think plasmagun and Slugger Pistol are

[tawdry swan]

Revolver

[dusk idol]

it does

[crude wind]

@scenic basin try this for Hellebore

[tawdry swan]

power sword

[sharp epoch]

columbus infantry auto and plasma

[serene bough]

but you can already 1hko common gunners and 2hko shotgunners/gunner elites with the MG4

[proper delta]

what are you running

i wanna try

[kind scarab]

A mess

[crude wind]

right now, IAGs, Plasma, Revolver, Kantrael 1a

[serene bough]

so it seems like a lot of overkill

[grave cargo]

Plasma

[frosty lark]

I kind of figured. I’ve tried the auto in a few runs and it shreds

[sour elbow]

sure but it's reducing scope sway and reload too. Plus you can trait for rending.

[sharp epoch]

Gunker is probably better with it though 😹

[dusk idol]

I run on elite kill since I use lawbringer, if you use agri I would run reload+ if ammo still in magazine

[frosty lark]

Fair

[kind scarab]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa01a83-b37d-43de-9509-000bd4c23885/pswordbased-and-agripilled use @mystic escarp's build. It works well enough with the Agri to have you covered

[serene bough]

i suppose, i just find consistent flat buffs more reliable than stacking buffs for a certain criteria

[kind scarab]

I can't be arsed to share mine rn since I'm still not 100% happy with it

[devout atlas]

They fixed it to apply, ignore the black screen at the start im too lazy to crop

[sour elbow]

I know what you mean. I'd rather pick something that always works rather than niche, but it does rise very quickly.

[grave cargo]

Stacking buffs are annoying because their usefulness is based on how long they last

[devout atlas]

it can go faster since I'm ADS to fire

[grave cargo]

+12% toenail growth for 0.75 seconds on weakspot kill isn’t nearly as good as say

[hollow ibex]

Nice lever action rifle you have there

[proper delta]

omg

[devout atlas]

@mystic escarp you wanted to see

[grave cargo]

When 25 enemies die within a mile radius crit every 4 attacks

[serene bough]

for me personally, it's more because I can't grab Survivalist, Kraks, and Infiltrate reliably and reach the keystone without having to sacrifice other utilities like grenades

[proper delta]

this is amazing

[mystic escarp]

oh sweet Emperor of Mankind

[devout atlas]

I always called it a lever since thats how it felt like, the normal shot is just you fanning the lever XD

[kind scarab]

That's honestly one of my main issues rn with the tree

[mystic escarp]

We be going full Mosin mode

[frank ether]

ah yes driptide

[hollow ibex]

It’s exactly why I like the agri

[scenic basin]

dang no nade tinkerer kinda hurts

[hollow ibex]

Pure drip

[grave cargo]

I hate that e dry buff doesn’t just last 10 seconds at a default

[mystic escarp]

Volley Adept, Tactical Reload and +10 reload speed perk?

[grave cargo]

Or at least say 5

I hate 1 second buffs Charlie!

[wanton dawn]

All the "meta" build that reach keystone are almost exactly the same. Survivalist weapon specialist revolver is the funniest cuz there is 0 free nodes

[grave cargo]

I hate one second buffs!!!

[zinc osprey]

gonna jump into damnation with a marksman

[crude wind]

not needed

[zinc osprey]

oh boy so many veterans lmfaOOO

[crude wind]

VET FIELD DAY

[zinc osprey]

We have 1 psyker

his name is Nagash

[south garnet]

@devout atlas what's your lawbringer build look like out of curiosity? (NOT to steal and try for myself then if I like it say I invented it here in this very channel)

[zinc osprey]

I'm feeling really good about this run guys

[crude wind]

so there are somethings I like about new tree, I like that u can't just auto take regen nades in every build, that should be a consideration

[serene sage]

Tbf "meta" kinda implies they should be the same. That's part of the definition of meta 🤓

[serene bough]

make the emperor proud

[crude wind]

bit too punished atm

[crude wind]

but if they squish the tree I'd like to see grenade regen as an opportunity cost choice and not 'every build has this good stuff'

[devout atlas]

agri's effective kill range for gunners is kinda neat (maxed No Respite is the reason it can do this btw)

[devout atlas]

do you want the smart one (uses shout) or the crackhead one (uses infil)

[old quail]

i pray for the day field improv becomes squad leader aura

[serene bough]

i use the kantrael shotgun more than the agri

[sour elbow]

it looks fantastic, but I cannot dip into it.

[south garnet]

Both sound fun actually

I like a good crackhead build

[devout atlas]

I mostly use infil because I am Weird

[serene bough]

agri slug is nice until you realize you can do the same 1hko shenanigans with the kantrael at a pretty effective range

[crude wind]

that would be rad

[crude wind]

more auras like that would be good for the game

[wanton dawn]

If you really were a pokemon i would have released you from my box

[crude wind]

to prevent statball facerolling

[forest maple]

Yooo this is cooking

[languid stump]

This is every damnation nowadays for me:

Rejects take five steps forward

Five billion dreg ragers:

[old quail]

yeah, they need to more actively change how the game is played instead of being bigger talents that also give ur teammates an effect they will never notice

[mystic escarp]

go for one shot revolver build then

exe stand and marksman's focus is a new crack

[serene sage]

Harsh 😔

[crude wind]

100% agree

gonna copy that actually

[mystic escarp]

Ragers are easy
I hate gunners

[languid stump]

They’re easy unless they’re accompanied by a horde

[sharp epoch]

born leader new aura?

[serene bough]

vet auras are difficult to balance because survivalist is always better than any flat buff you can recieve

[mystic escarp]

Just shoot em :^)

[serene sage]

Gunners are easy
I hate ragers

[south garnet]

I feel like this would be cool as hell for like 5 minutes then stop being cool the second you got dogpiled

[languid stump]

There’s too goddamn many

[south garnet]

Squish

[serene sage]

Nade them

[mystic escarp]

Correct
Now go, kill some heretics
Good varlet

[devout atlas]

On both builds I run a CKnife with Rending + Precognition because preference. The way you use Lawbringer is with Scattershot and Flechette, Flechette helps a lot but ik its hard to find, so Scattershot is still workable enough (Flechette helps deal with pesky Bruisers mostly)

[mystic escarp]

Ragers not as crazy as the damn gunners that will spread evenly every five metres away from and start pinning you down

[serene bough]

i kind of like gunner spam

[south garnet]

Hell yea, thanks. I've already got Flechette farmed so I'm prepared

[serene bough]

smokes have a purpose if you want to use them

[languid stump]

Here’s an aura idea I’ve had for a while:

If you were to be pinned by an enemy (pox hound, trapper, mutant) you are not. (180 second cooldown)

[serene sage]

Me, too. I love seeing the kill feed get lit up

[devout atlas]

Smokes are honest to god quite useful on Exec builds, but it's annoying how FAR smoke is from exec stance

[serene bough]

shoutout to the scab shotgun conga lines that get bowled over by a searing hot plasma bolt

[serene sage]

Vet is now the new speed running class.

[sharp epoch]

They should swap with frag on the tree

[coarse tide]

Ironbreaker vet

[tawdry swan]

krak should be on right, smoke on left and shred in middle

[devout atlas]

I absolutely agree

[mystic escarp]

Oh hell no

[devout atlas]

krak is more inline with what an infil would use both in game and in lore

[serene bough]

vet tree in a nutshell, try grabbing smokes, survivalist, stealth

[serene sage]

I have seen 2 times smoke being useful

2 whole times

[sharp epoch]

and keystone, ya no

[wanton dawn]

Here's an aura idea i had: 5% chance to regen grenade on elite kill. A nice evolution of demo team

[languid stump]

Gee whilikers

[marble lintel]

smoke makes more sense for left cause of the enemy highlights imo

[sharp epoch]

They need to add different weights to the greandes on other classes like nuke should be equal to 3 frags

[serene sage]

I will legit pick smoke if they give me a reserve of like 8

[slow spade]

Smoke grenades are infinite UwU

[serene bough]

smokes are definitely super situational

[dusk idol]

smoke grenades are great into shooter hordes and not useful into anything else

[serene sage]

It won't be if you have 8 of them

[languid stump]

Another aura idea I had: ripper

repeated blows to a specific part of an enemy’s body will cause that part to become unarmored and lose any armor traits (flak, carapace)

[serene sage]

Just smoke everything everywhere

[serene bough]

only real use i see for them is when you have a narrow hallway of gunners firing at you while youre in melee, and you can just place a wall between you and the gunners

[mystic escarp]

drip

[serene bough]

player driven ventilation purge

[languid stump]

Vet should definitely have more grenades

[tawdry swan]

i like the idea of field improvisation being an aura

[unreal bone]

Hello Fatshark?

[serene bough]

smoke the whole map into reduced visibility

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-pesci-what-the-fuck-wtf-wtf-is-that-what-the-fuck-is-this-gif-24937450

[sharp epoch]

That's like onslaught, and I think there's coding issues that would make that hard to implement

[unreal bone]

Instead of giving us a cosmetic some of us missed for vet

[serene sage]

I kinda like fire team now ngl

[unreal bone]

they just gave us a cosmetic in the store that is already in the store

[languid stump]

That is true. Admittedly, I know jack about coding

[devout mist]

just ran into a bug with vet stealth

[wanton dawn]

Fire team is good. It is just not survivalist

[devout mist]

after using it a couple times it stopped working halfway through , could never reactivate it

[tawdry swan]

i take it if im going krak + stealth and more melee focused cuz i cant be arsed to reach over for survivalist

[serene sage]

Cook some briskets, too. Low and slow on apple wood 🥹

[sharp epoch]

thats just the new vet buff, can only use stealth 10 times now

[serene bough]

Applewood smoked beast of nurgle roast

[devout mist]

hell yeah

[serene bough]

ogryns are eating good tonight

[dusk idol]

leave the puppy alone

[tawdry swan]

tonight?

[serene sage]

Yeah we smoking some briskets

And BoN

[tawdry swan]

ogryn always eating good

for a while now

[languid stump]

Here’s another aura I had: light-footed

Enemies are slower to notice you and allies in coherency. Also, daemonhosts’ detection range is much smaller

[serene sage]

Maybe a side of Pox Hounds

[languid stump]

This idea is brought to you by that time I rounded a corner and tripped over a daemonhost

[serene sage]

I have an idea
How about 1% ammo replenish on Elites and Special kills?

[tawdry swan]

i think its dumb how ogryn is invincible and deletes monsters in a flash with the gun build but they had to nerf close quarters killzone to make my stealth + krak monster deleting worse.
i also heard krak grenades got reduced dmg against monsters on top of that? stealth nerf? idk if thats true?

[languid stump]

BRILLIANT

[fast scaffold]

Detection range could be cool, but that'd be begging for desync* issues

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are like: 5% dmg is nothing. Dude you can get +21% melee damage and +16% ranged dmg passively from stat node

[dusk idol]

it’s in the patch notes

[tawdry swan]

o ok

[languid stump]

Or maybe just ‘daemonhosts don’t notice you’

[dusk idol]

not just leaks, all explosions

[tawdry swan]

still stupid

[dusk idol]

kraks

leaks wtf

[fast scaffold]

Too situational imo

[tawdry swan]

that sounds kinda funny tbh

like

babysitter build

[serene sage]

Vets should have built-in Brilliant Behemoth

[devout atlas]

heres my low effort but completely earnest proposed veteran rework

[tawdry swan]

specifically geared towards those lobbies with absolute braindead npcs

[languid stump]

ROR2 MENTIONED?!!?!?!

[devout atlas]

oh and for the exec tree i meant to add + between the talents next to them

just combine them for petes sake they do fuckall already

[marble lintel]

the new taunt + shield ogryn

[dusk idol]

add in some travel between the final three forks and it would be perfect

just before our keystones

[wanton dawn]

Still born leader. Trash

[devout atlas]

thats too much effort i spent 3 minutes

im goimg back to eating my bigos

[jolly cave]

I like this, it's still 3 nodes more on average to get to a keystone than every other archetype, but at least it connects lower down

[serene sage]

[devout atlas]

just remove the useless as shit 0.25 stamina nodes

[devout atlas]

ohh thats so smart

[wanton dawn]

My proposed rework is just removing born leader

[obtuse dawn]

I bet fatshark will see the redesigned skill tree and totally implement it

[serene sage]

Honestly i love that node

[devout atlas]

@woeful junco hank pin this because it'll be funny to have the lowest effort proposed vet rework pinned in #veteran-class

[tawdry swan]

that sounds kinda bad for some of the teams ive gotten tbh
ive had a whole team of players where like.. i killed literally everything the entire time and i would revive them and watch them actually go down trying to melee 2 stragglers of the weakest horde enemy type. blew my mind. 18 deaths that mission. i revived them so many times

[dusk idol]

the stam recov nodes are great

[devout atlas]

just make them basekit

[tawdry swan]

some players are so astonishingly bad its like shocking to me

[serene sage]

Granted. FS renamed it to Leaders aren't born, they are made

[dusk idol]

lmao buff veteran? not in this timeline

[languid stump]

Thinkin about the jackass who took off in a dead sprint during the final carnival horde

[wanton dawn]

Unborn follower

[serene sage]

Lel

[languid stump]

He wasn’t running to close the gates, or revive, or heal

No he was just running, and he was firing as he went

I don’t think he drew his melee weapon the entire run

[serene sage]

😔 sorry I'm doing my best man

[dusk idol]

protagonist moment

[wanton dawn]

Trickle down economy. I get nothing you get nothing. I get stuff you get dust

[tawdry swan]

lmfao

[static timber]

is there a good place to view vet builds for most recent patch?

[serene sage]

Yeah, it was W. Garry i think 🤔

[static timber]

need something quick that works w/out having to read through this ridiculous new talent tree

[tawdry swan]

ya i like your edit but i also think they should just take like 1 row off the bottom part as well by taking off all the dogshit ones like boern leader, the 0.25 stamina

[languid stump]

Idk his username, but he had an Agripinaa Mk VIII Braced Autogun

[serene sage]

This is like going to the restaurant, ask for food but don't want to read the menu

[languid stump]

I remember how we got in the elevator after fending off some shotgunners

And as the doors closed HE WAS STILL FIRING HIS GODDAMN GUN

[tawdry swan]

if the tree is gonna be so damn big yeah i think this would be really nice and fine honestly. plz fatshart

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-surpriseme-ego-ratatouille-gif-18421427

[open helm]

Anyone got a good 1a stealth build?

[serene sage]

Are you sure that's not an Ork pretending to be one of us?

[tawdry swan]

playable ork when?

[south garnet]

He just knew you were good enough you wouldn't need the ammo. He was complimenting you

[cold shell]

First carnival run I did the other day I kept a recon lasgun up 100% of the time because I was babysat by three zealots with charge 100% melee builds and it ruled. I kept specials off them and deleted gunners and they just smashed everything.

I wasn't running though. ABD, always be dodging

[tawdry swan]

when will they let us fight greater daemons?

[languid stump]

Are we primarchs and is this the Horus heresy?

No?

[serene sage]

Our motto is simplicity is the best solution of all.

[tawdry swan]

have its foot just take up the entire screen

[dusk idol]

if you’re seeing a greater daemon, atoma is fubar

[tawdry swan]

whats a fubar

[languid stump]

Fucked

[tawdry swan]

lmao

[dusk idol]

fucked beyond all recognition

[south garnet]

Or repair

Depending

[serene sage]

Fucked up beyond all repair?

[junior grail]

FUBAR

[dusk idol]

daemonhosts are already a terrible sign

[mystic belfry]

Fucked up beyond all repair, yeah

[spark helm]

Like seeing space marines landing after a mission. If they're even supposed to be pulling up there's probably very little chance at this rate lmao

[junior grail]

Saving Private Ryan taught me that

[mystic belfry]

It’s a military slang ye

[devout atlas]

oh god

[languid stump]

Not to mention the beasts of nurgle, which means that there’s a significant warp presence on Atoma to allow them to exist

[spark helm]

I don't know 40k like that honestly but the scale of urgency when threats happen is uh, a whole thing.

[devout atlas]

oh dear lord

[junior grail]

Thoughts on Marksman Focus with Recon?

[serene sage]

I love SNAFU

It has that ring to it

[gaunt hinge]

if you’re seeing a greater daemon, atoma is karked

[spark helm]

We're playing as a gaggle of nobodies doing tip off jobs so superiors can keep their jobs.

[dusk idol]

just exterminatus the planet

[cold shell]

I can see it eventually. If not greater demons in their strongest forms, daemon princes, and weaker mainfestations of full on daemons will provide for excellent bosses.

Like a Great Unclean One is the size of a Knight Questoris. But there's support in the lore for a smaller, less strong version of one that IS manifesting and we cut off the summoning to fight it while it's weakened.

[serene sage]

Reminder that some rejects are aware of Grey Knights

[spark helm]

Rannick is a spy master that seems to think we're not that useless.

[rich oyster]

Yall got a reccomendation on must take talents for a revolver based build?

[languid stump]

Zealot: Veteran, are you well? You seem to be ailing

Me in the back off the Carnival Stimm:

[wanton dawn]

I call this one: balanced

[tawdry swan]

i was joking
im more familiar with fantasy than 40k but like.. i think for our characters a greater demon would just be like..

[dusk idol]

accurate

[gaunt hinge]

ya gotta unallocate exhilirating

[iron marten]

Cool graffiti!

[cold shell]

Skill issue

[karmic musk]

holy based

[junior grail]

As balanced as a corpse in BoN slime

[near shore]

did FS give a reason for bombing the vet's tree? like some nerfs got me going HHMMMMM

[languid stump]

Also here’s the best way to survive the amphitheater horde

[wanton dawn]

Thanks you thanks you

[dusk idol]

keystones

[cedar palm]

you wouldn't last a day in the guard

[near shore]

but the keystones are mid

[karmic musk]

Plot twist they spawn behind you

[dusk idol]

🤷‍♂️

[junior grail]

Makes sense with patch14 vets

[gaunt hinge]

the actual best way is to do that but also shut the fucking gates

[gaunt hinge]

big true

[serene sage]

I wouldn't last 5 minutes against a Slaaneesh demonette

[cold shell]

Enemies walk around shieldgryn who planted because planting is still the dumbest thing to do

[near shore]

the leftside keystone is trash, middle is alright and right is alright

[dusk idol]

me neither

[junior grail]

In a fight, right?

[tawdry swan]

i do think people underestimate vermintide and darktide characters tho
like for example ppl always say orcs would be too much in vermintide but i TOTALLY disagree. vermintide characters could easily take on hordes of gobbos and even all the way up to big uns as elites and a black orc as a boss.
idk enough about orks in 40k tho to know if itd be ok in darktide.

[gaunt hinge]

[dusk idol]

what fight?

[kind scarab]

I could

[languid stump]

Also: what are the implications of Skaven symbols appearing on Tertium?

[karmic musk]

There's this weird fetish with "loreful power levels"

Our characters are named Space Marine tier at this point

[gray stone]

lootrats confirmed

[wanton dawn]

Isnt sierra a mage ?

[gaunt hinge]

tertium has a mice problem

[tawdry swan]

skaven should just barge into the 40k universe

[kind scarab]

The lootrats will only drop diamantine

[wanton dawn]

Arent mage like, super powerful ?

[junior grail]

FatShark not gonna add because they need models to follow the base skeletons they have in Vermintide

[kind scarab]

[devout atlas]

exec stance agri has really good bodyshots (this is done with full bore 3, no respite 4, flak 20%, irrelevent perk) what should I do to my agri? I could add 10% elite to help with unarmored gunners or 10% specialist/25% maniac

[tawdry swan]

they are the coolest thing gw has ever made, objectively

[dusk idol]

with the amount of daemonhosts, beasts of nurgle, plague ogryns and chaos spawns vanquished

yeah

[karmic musk]

They will add if its an expansion paid DLC

[languid stump]

“Hey, are there any rats down there?”

“No-no, no rat-men here! We’d know-see!”

“See? Nothing to worry about”

[dusk idol]

and that we don’t instantly get turned into a poxwalker just by being near one

yeah

[gaunt hinge]

eww your mod is removing the tight ass slug crosshair

[cold shell]

Straight up, people in the darktide discord inflate the dangerous enemies in the lore waaaaay too much for a bunch of people who haven't read anything beyond a Luetin video.

[serene sage]

Still expandable. Don't get any funny ideas now.

[languid stump]

Faith is literally the vaccine to many of nurgle’s plagues. The zealot is so religious that any trace of the disease is burned from our bodies

[devout atlas]

its a glitch

[devout atlas]

last update broke one of my mods and i cant get my crosshair back wahh might need to update the mod

[wanton dawn]

Either we can handle mortarion or we would get dunked on by any coughting one armed psm. No in between

[serene sage]

I think we can kill Mortarion 🤔

[gaunt hinge]

anyway, put reload speed on it

[terse idol]

These nerfs were already here

[dusk idol]

that’s why our nameless rejects are on the same level as a named space marine at this point, average joe would just croak

[terse idol]

But uh

[languid stump]

We would die of mega aids before we could get close to him

[quick fossil]

Soo ... eh ... any good ranged focused build where i am pew pewing most of the time ? Playing mostly on heresy or auric heresy ? Was playing surge psyker last patch but since surge staff is fixed, i am back to Veteran which probably have ranged focused biuld

[cold shell]

It's the dumbest thing about this server

[terse idol]

The reason must be theyre testing the relative strength of the vet skill tree,and also vets rely on good weapons or something I dunno

[tawdry swan]

not if i just believe hard enough

[languid stump]

That is true

[serene sage]

Just stealth bro, he can't aggro to you

[devout atlas]

already has lol, shame on the stopping power but yea it only loses out about 10% damage which does suck cause it'd mean maybe elite damage would be enough + reload speed

[wanton dawn]

Faith protect you against space aids. Ask your local priest

Don't

[near shore]

i mean vet is gun boy, but one keystone is literally "headshot and dont me" when often,you have to move

[terse idol]

I mean

I'll say it again and again you can be arsed to stand still to make a few shots

[languid stump]

Here’s how to play darktide on realism mode: make a character. The goal is to get to level 30 playing hardest available difficulties only. If you die, you delete the character and start over.

[terse idol]

Strafing

Does nothing

[near shore]

im keep 100, im dodging and moving alot

[wanton dawn]

Can we repeat mission ? Is that realistic ?

[tawdry swan]

i am a crack monkey i never stop moving ever my dpi is set to 16,000 and i will die before i let you make me stand stilL!!!!!!

[sour elbow]

Part of the veteran's strength is I suspect a very boring reason: vet relies on shooting. Which means most players, old or new, know how to play it and how to make it work well. Because it's entire thing is "shoot things in the head" and it's ability is "shoot things in the head better" which is what all the other fps games have trained players to do.

[terse idol]

You literally don't have to move while shooting, and if you're dodging you won't lose that many stacks if you get a weak point kill

[near shore]

yes, but not same modfier

[languid stump]

Yes, but only certain missions. Eliminate target is not allowed

[sharp ingot]

Which of the headhunter auto guns would yall reccomend

[terse idol]

Because you'll keep the stack for that 3s window

[cold shell]

Hardcore mode and seasons should have been a thing at launch. Would be a great addition. Especially with premades.

[sour elbow]

In comparison, I found ogryn really slow and sluggish (I still wish heavy attacks didn't slow you while moving) but when it clicked, I was basically unkillable.

[gaunt hinge]

vraks 3 probably best

[serene sage]

For Plasma and PS6

[dusk idol]

other classes can use guns just as well as veteran, or at least almost just as good

[sour elbow]

Same with zealot and psyker, when they clicked I had a ball. When they clicked. Veteran is "Do what you do in other games"

[dusk idol]

so close that it doesn’t define veteran very well as the fps class anymore

[delicate estuary]

does the 50% aura radius basically mean that you get a larger coherency radius or just the ammo thing ?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[terse idol]

Eh I mean, I just played a bunch of V2 which made it that Veteran still felt good

[cold shell]

Both

[languid stump]

If you’re playing voice of command then it becomes micromanaging your team’s toughness

[terse idol]

Its not like a regular fps at least imo

[sour elbow]

sure, but most players don't seem to do that (sadly)

[tawdry swan]

i palyed a lot of v2 and everything clicked easily right away except for ogryn

ogryn felt weird

still kinda does

[terse idol]

Point and click adventure but I feel shooting vet is struggling

[languid stump]

That’s why I main VoC.

Someone’s gotta pick up the slack

[gaunt hinge]

ogryn is just hammer and shield bardin but weirder

[tawdry swan]

im always a fast gremlin kinda guy in every game ever so ogryn weird

[cold shell]

Shout also uses coherency distance so aura% buffs that too

[tawdry swan]

ooh interesting

[delicate moat]

i crashed at the end of AM mission

[sour elbow]

Sure, but Vermintide and Vermintide 2 are very... much a first person hack-and-slash. That's one of the reasons they became so noteable, they don't play like other first person coopgames.

[terse idol]

Ogrynn is kinda like engi bardin with the troll missle

[crude plank]

I need fellow non ogryns to rate my support grenadier tree

Did i do it right?

[languid stump]

Darktide is hack and slash as well, especially if you pour points into melee bonuses

[tawdry swan]

omg i forgot bardin got a fucking trollhammer torpedo added

maybe i should try v2 again sometime

[dusk idol]

truly one of the trees of all time

[karmic musk]

Support but no VoC and Infiltrate with no 2x charge and Low Profile

[mystic belfry]

You want middle capstone for support with the toughness generating node

[crude plank]

the grenades are the support

[sour elbow]

Sure, but most people coming over from other games will-I expect-go for the class that lets you shoot gun best.

[crude plank]

using it with the shovel and heavy hellbore

[gaunt hinge]

twinned nade

[cedar palm]

If I'm going stealth, I atleast get low profile

[mystic belfry]

Also never take for the emperor unless you’re paying taken tax

[languid stump]

Well, I guess they’re just gonna have to get used to being martyrs for the emperor

[mystic belfry]

And yeah I filtrate is by far the least teamwork orientated ult

[sour elbow]

I suspect people familiar with vermintide are coming in and playing melee orientated classes comfortably, and many fps'ers not familiar with melee are gravitating to veteran

[mystic belfry]

In fact it can easily. Make it harder on your team

[celest vine]

Where can I see these player made data cards?

[gaunt hinge]

twinned nade basically reads every 5 grenades you get a free one that you shit out immediately

[cedar palm]

stealth is great for reviving teammates

[mystic belfry]

And then theres me, a Vermintide player playing melee heavy vet

[sour elbow]

Infiltrate just makes me think of Ssethzeench's description of assassin in synthetik

[wanton dawn]

I play veteran for the cool gas mask on the login menu !

[crude plank]

im just messing around i know the tree's awful I just like throwing nades all the time

[celest vine]

Based