veteran-class

[kind scarab]

I told y'all it'd be a run and gun playstyle capstone. Cause it just ain't done right.

[dusk idol]

up

[winter dock]

blasted an entire clip with 15 stacks of focus and exe into a plogryns face and it didn't even do the same sum damage as a single charged plasma shot

[serene sage]

down

[fair epoch]

What perks do I put onto a Mk VI power sword real quick

[dusk idol]

sprint speed block efficiency

[fair epoch]

I have maniacs and unyielding I would assume swap unyielding

[brisk umbra]

PS4 and Brutal Momentum/Shredder Oh perks Carpace and if that's not enough to two shots curshers elite

[dusk idol]

just kidding

[hollow turtle]

I am that guy who still has to hold his hands out with fingers in the shape of an L to figure out which ones left and which one's right.

[spark helm]

100% serious take. Veteran isn't the kind of class that just falls to the wayside because the shell of darktide will always have room for veteran. When you consider the utility of the class, let alone have experience with something like vt2, all of the things that any other class would take in that game to do something similar archetype or not are going to go for some of the same things.

In Darktide, a much easier game by comparison, the design of veteran by default localized generally strong tools into a class designed to do most things. After the overhaul, you had people doing well with builds that didn't even care about the bottom tree shit because when you added up the utility, vet didn't need it. So some wanted keystones.

To me, it doesn't seem like the shell of the game suddenly doesn't have room for vet. I just can't put my finger on whether or not the added passives you could easilt take then were what carried the class before optimization/solid gear or just whatever number tweaking that's been done allows for keystones on vet to be functional but ultimately still no mandatory.

[fair epoch]

This is my current roll how do I improve it with 1 slot change

[sharp ember]

unyielding to flak, but unyielding isn't that bad for wacking bosses

[strange ledge]

carapace to kill crusher

[junior needle]

Sits in back trying to plink and never taking out melee, moves awkwardly slowing the team down, gets downed because of refusal to take out melee and lacking situational awareness. Tries to force value out of the keystone even in bad situations.

People did this before but now they're gonna go "muh stacks, team cover me I need muh stacks" to justify it.

[serene sage]

I aint reading all that. Congratulations, or sorry that happened.

[drifting moon]

You do realize what high priority targets are right?

[spark helm]

That's a player problem with understanding better judgement

[spark helm]

straight tf up wasn't talking to you lol

[sleek cairn]

honestly with camouflage those stacks dont matter

[drifting moon]

If you focus ranged enemies so your team doesn't have to worry about them that is playing your role

[sleek cairn]

lol

it just instantly takes u to 10 if u melee

[junior needle]

What does this have to do with what I'm saying?

[fair epoch]

Also I hear everyone complaining about Marksman's Focus but nothing on Weapons Specialist

[hollow turtle]

Yes, exactly. Veteran doesn't need the keystones to be effective. Its identity is not at stake.

[torn gorge]

you dont have to sit in the back and plink for most of the time to just take down prio targets

[fair epoch]

You can demolish hordes with weapons specialists

[torn gorge]

[sleek cairn]

thats cuz weapons specialist is fucking great lol

[winter dock]

This pr. much. The keystones aren't mandatory. They aren't even really that good except for Marksman's Focus, but considering the cost of running focus (basically 5 points- one for the tax node, 4 for the ability and its good upgrades) as well as how silly it is to actually maintain the stacks on it consistently it begs the question whether its even worth taking that over, say, onslaught or better grenades or Iron will

[drifting moon]

I don't sit in the back

[spark helm]

It means if your priorities suck you're going to deal with the problems of being overrun. In a vaccum, every shooter I can see is already dead so I can join in the moshpit. And even then I'm still advancing and picking my shots while still defending myself.

You can do multiple things at once

[dusk idol]

I don’t think he was talking about you specifically

[hollow turtle]

This is essentially what i did. I got rid of my marksman focus 3 points and put it into longshot, leave no one behind, and grenade tinkerer.

[junior needle]

I agree, but the game requires you to be self sufficient while doing it. I'm talking about a (large) portion of the playerbase who are largely inept and will keep doing everything I listed and blame the team for not holding their hand at all times to do it.

[umbral scaffold]

I was actually one of the people that didn't feel the need for vey keystones

[dusk idol]

hold my hand please soldier

[junior needle]

I have big ogryn hands now

[dusk idol]

🥺

[umbral scaffold]

They're really cool now that we got them, but I didn't find them necessary before

[junior needle]

Can hold hands of many lil uns

[torn gorge]

[drifting moon]

Left tree is for long range gun play

[brisk umbra]

I'll die on a hill for Target Focus

[keen sleet]

What's a good one-hit-kill melee for walkers? Tried Antax but too slow for me, using it for weapons specialist keystone

[drifting moon]

so it does benefit the team you beinga bit back

[umbral scaffold]

Out of the many issues the game can have, as well as vet, I think the bigger worries are stuff like weapon versatility

[keen sleet]

Assuming P-sword and activated

[dusk idol]

1 hit?

[spark helm]

And yeha I completely get that and that's something that I really don't know ow that'll play out. Cuz it is kind of meh that vet has been funneled more into specialization with the keystone choices when you seek them out. that I actually don't like. What I wouldn't know is what would hapen if the class just got branch out more flexibly and still being able to run them if they choose.

[umbral scaffold]

For example, plasma is almost a better revolver and revolver is already goated by itself

[keen sleet]

Yeah, trying to proc weapons special so I can reload on taking out my gun

[hollow turtle]

You know what I blame incompetence on?
People who play with 0 volume and the inability to read the chat to see there's a Daemonhost right there.

[torn gorge]

why? vet has the ability to make most guns work

[umbral scaffold]

You got plasma, you kill any enemy in the game, and if you got revolver, you kill all but one (bulwarks)

[sleek cairn]

wait better revolver?

[dusk idol]

keystones deserve a little love still, some tweaks and changes and the compression of the vet skill tree

if done right I believe would be great

but this is fatshark

who knows what they’ll do next

[torn gorge]

infantry 1a isnt exactly stellar on the other classes

[hollow turtle]

You play any of the lasguns or helbores your focus should be on the elites/specials and not the horde.

[umbral scaffold]

Then you start getting to helbores, which are a pain in the ass to swap to but still shove out a really fucking damaging shot

[hollow turtle]

You could be that guy to save someone from a stupid trapper.

[umbral scaffold]

But then you reach the other weapons

Headhunters are cracked, but they can't kill crushers or bulwarks well

[spark helm]

Because at that point I could see some nerfs coming that place vet in a posssibly unstable place should enough of the game change around the class. But because of the cornerstone design philosophy that vet has a monopoly on, there'd had to be a very real effort to tear down the class's efficacy. No other class in my opinion has the ability to be able to provide so much to the team even if they might not be the one performing the loudest.

Example: anyone that's new learning that mid tree is just safe.

[winter dock]

The the moment, the talent tree is really fucked because Fatshark did nothing to address the REAL problem it had. The issue wasn't that the 3 red nodes at the bottom weren't strong enough to be worth getting. It's that the cost of getting them was too damn high.

And the basic structure of the vet tree is pretty much the exact same. We have very very little lateral flexibility, and all of the good nodes are locked behind 3 or more mediocre/bad nodes. To get anything out of vet you have to spend an incredible number of points.

The rework was a mild improvement- since it shifted some of those heavily taxed mandatory nodes to the top. But the tax nodes it removed near the bottom got put back in in the form of a tax node near the top right after the grenades. And having all 3 of those good toughness gen nodes locked behind 2 points each means we have even less lateral flexibility later in the tree than before unless you give up those critical defenses or- more likely- the "Meh, at best" keystones.

[umbral scaffold]

The same goes for the lasguns, IAGs and all other weapons I can think of

Whenever I touch a revolver or a plasma gun, carrying a pub match gets infinitely easier

[torn gorge]

you have kraks and melee for those if you need, especially considering you get mk6 PS as melee option on vet

[junior needle]

I can recall at least one occurrence of a DH making absolutely zero sound for anyone in the party

[dusk idol]

remove some of the travel nodes and connect the bottom section

[junior needle]

I walked into it

[torn gorge]

alongside general weapons which are still extremely effective like combat axes/chain swords

[dusk idol]

that’s the gist of what’s required

[umbral scaffold]

Suddenly specialists go away in a single shot with a quick swap weapon, because plasma gun somehow swaps faster than helbores and bolters

[keen sleet]

Burster made zero sound, spawned right next to me, immediately exploded without the ticking

[umbral scaffold]

the mk6 PS is another weapon that earned a place in my roster of ezmode

[winter dock]

I mean yeah, the answer is so glaringly obvious that the fact that Fatshark hasn't done it yet is a very, very strong sign about the incompetency of whoever is heading the design team which is responsible for the Veteran class.

[spark helm]

I'm not gon cap it'd be nice to be able to go from one side to another with some kind of ease to cherrypick a handful of talents. That is actually something I liked and got mileage out of.

[umbral scaffold]

It's currently capable of killing a crusher with a single push attack combo

[dusk idol]

you know what I’ve been loving lately? Enemies spawning out of rooms and then instantly dying

like wtf am I looking at

[hollow turtle]

and I'm the guy who's like, "You didn't see it idiot?" even though I completely didn't notice it either.

[strange ledge]

Aka saccing survivalist and demo spec

[umbral scaffold]

You need to activate it, sure, but activating still allows you to dodge the very telegraphed overhead

[serene sage]

I'm not sure about this one chief. Revolver can pull quicker and one shot ragers quicker.

[umbral scaffold]

Activation also staggers ragers on light attacks and has the potential of killing them in two, which is the minimum value power cycler gives

[winter dock]

Someone, somewhere on their team must have surely seen the answer. And yet it has not been done. Which means someone in charge actively shut it down (and is therefore stupid) or an entire group of people failed to see it (which makes them all stupid- or at least ignorant of their own damn game)

[umbral scaffold]

almost

[spark helm]

to me at the time it was just like. after actually doing the simple math, it was just overkill. So unless I wanted overkill aspects to my kit, I almost always took utility through the other talents to just guarantee nice little things to make it a big deal for my build.

[umbral scaffold]

They still have their own strengths and I'm not shitting on revolver for not having what looks like infinite cleave or something because I'm a psyker main and the revolver was my main weapon for a long-ass time

[winter dock]

Fatsharks initial idea about vets not needing keystones and being a generalist class was 100% spot on.

The problem was they made the tree fucking awful

[spark helm]

And vet being a walked vending machine and a feat monkey, I just saw less and less reason to use the endstones.

[umbral scaffold]

It's just that once you get used to plasma, some of the downsides it has compared to the revolver feel minor compared to the increased potential for damage it has

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, I rarely actually bothered with the stuff at the end

[crude fiber]

just got killed as last real player by an ai shooting a burster as i went to push it

[umbral scaffold]

The damage buff for the ability was a bit eh and I only got the close range damage one to combo with the stealth one and get some mad fucking numbers for 5 seconds

[serene sage]

They should give us swap speed already. That can be our identity. We pull guns fast, we pull nades fast.
I love the weapon swap idea a lot.

[spark helm]

Unless I was using maybe an unfinished weapon or really wanted to juice something else like infiltration interactions, it was never worth it for me at the time.

[winter dock]

But instead of fixing the tree, they just slapped keystones at the bottom and shifted a few things around. Thankfully removed a couple tax nodes, but then added a new one back in and introduced new taxes in the form of the 6-point dip at the top to get all of our mandatory toughness gen (although Out for Blood can be given up without too much pain. Confirmed kill and Exhilirating takedown, however, cannot be)

[umbral scaffold]

I remember when people clowned on ET because it shared a spot with CK

[dusk idol]

and exhil takedown still being bugged despite all the changes

can’t forget that

[umbral scaffold]

Before the talent patch

[strange ledge]

The amount of blitz upgrades that vet has is absurd. Half of them should be integrated

[spark helm]

for my hellbore builds yes I'd have to double down. Didn't have a better version of blessings so that compensated. idk where breakpoints start and begin, I just copy some builds, tweak them to my needs, experiment with them as a template then adjust more and more until I get what I want for myself. Pain in the ass but it works.

[hollow turtle]

Lol here's a thought.
"Take off your optional grenade modifiers and then tell me how many points you actually have left."
You want to be like the other classes, then play like them. Don't have endless grenades and maybe you'll actually have some points for other things like a keystone.

[winter dock]

Twin nades ought to be removed, or made consistent

[umbral scaffold]

I like endless grenades, but sometimes I wonder if it's really necessary

[winter dock]

but otherwise I like the variety of blitz nodes. I just wish they were placed better

[umbral scaffold]

I made the mistake of using krak with plasma and power sword

[strange ledge]

It was made twice as consistent

[umbral scaffold]

Realistically, I'm never pressing G

I have smoke with stealth

Realistically, I'm stealthing and walking to the elites

[hollow turtle]

Let's be real, main reason a lot of people struggle to even reach a keystone is the fact they have a little too many "non-negotiable" passives.

[spark helm]

Mine is nade on 60 sec ngl

[dusk idol]

if you go all down the right tree it takes 20 points to reach your keystone, 18 for ogryn, less for the other 2 classes

[plucky agate]

20% chance for double smokes

[spark helm]

I almost never go without it

lol

[umbral scaffold]

I like to have the psykhanium to actually work what I can and can't remove

[strange ledge]

20% chance to do nothing

[dusk idol]

you simply have less points no matter what you pick

[candid tundra]

is the best keystone for the revolver the weapon swap one?

[umbral scaffold]

The 30% weakspot talent, for example

[misty quest]

Regen grenade is a must

[umbral scaffold]

If it doesn't give me important breakpoints, I don't give a shit about having it

[winter dock]

Exactly. Vet has ALOT of passive nodes that we simply cannot go without, depending on the setup we're trying to use. And alot of them are scattered throughout the tree so it costs alot to get them because the tree is extremely narrow and doesn't let use dip to either side of it without first paying a 1-2 point tax

[hollow turtle]

Oh I know, it takes more, just redirect some of the ones you really don't need.
If you're confident at dodging, then drop the toughness and don't complain.

[keen sleet]

Yes, pretty much

[candid tundra]

aight cheers

[umbral scaffold]

I'm not gonna die if the poxwalker doesn't eat 30% more damage from specifically the headshot bonus

[slim ocean]

How is the revolver on the squad leader tree? Really not sure what weapon is best for that tree besides plasma.

[dusk idol]

why shouldn’t we complain?

[sleek cairn]

is anyone else finding their vet super fucking strong after patch

[spark helm]

that one I think should be melded into vet but maybe turn it down to like 15% or 20%. The idea being your math will just scale with you

[keen sleet]

Plasma works really well with it too, 10 stacks is enough for 4 shots on demand

[hollow turtle]

Because its not going to get fixed overnight.

If it ever gets fixed at all.

[dusk idol]

no, it won’t, obviously

[serene sage]

What build are you running bro

[cedar palm]

stealth melee with catachan and revolver has been really fun for me

[hollow turtle]

Good chance with all of our comments the devs already know.

[midnight mortar]

I mean, it's an objective reality that veteran costs more points than other classes to reach a keystone.

[winter dock]

I'm just going to go back to pre-patch philosophy. Treat the keystones the same way we used to treat the red nodes

[plucky agate]

if youre gonna go the wannabe zealot heretics deep in a horde (this is an actual strategy) then revolver with a good horde clear melee with third three is really fun

[winter dock]

Just plain not worth the price of admission

[umbral scaffold]

Anyway I'mma bring funny marksman helbore to auric

[dusk idol]

but if you’re dissatisfied with something you should be vocal about specifics, you shouldn’t just be quiet and expect the devs to fix it for you

[spark helm]

Actually wait a minute...

[candid tundra]

I find that my playstyle (marksman, infantry lasgun.) was nerfed into the dirt in comparison to being softlocked even harder into melee/voice of command vet

[umbral scaffold]

Hope I don't get a smite spam psyker

[fathom edge]

the ping one seems ok, easy extra damage from the base and the buff on kill

[dreamy scaffold]

Which shotgun should i focus on?

[plucky agate]

this is just krieg guardsman gameplay

[spark helm]

you literally had to make that choice back then now that I'm genuinely thinking about it if you wanted to go all the way to the bottom.

[candid tundra]

not sure if I'll run stealth, just updating my old revolver marksman build

[spark helm]

I just remembered lmao

Wait.

[misty quest]

My stealtg build cleaves through everything

Lasgun marksman vet pumps but feels awkwRd to play

Havent tried middle tree but focus fire seems the most straightforward

[hollow turtle]

Positive way to look at the amount of points we need, "Clearly we're so fucking skilled at the game, FS has decided to nerf us by making us forego a few things."

[winter dock]

None they all suck. They do so little damage relative to their ammo cost that they cannot compete with nearly anything else

[spark helm]

FS would have to break this game to break veteran.

[sweet basalt]

that's the joke, most of them aren't 'optional'

[dreamy scaffold]

alr then, back to helbore it is

[frosty lark]

quick question: for Be Methodical, are you required to keep volley fire active for 20 seconds 5 times within one mission or just total?

[cedar palm]

slug shotgun with full bore and no respite has been useful in auric

[fathom edge]

the mk7 and the mk9 are useable, but not amazing

[spark helm]

I don't have proof, but what veteran is to this game is what mercenary and all similar archetypes are in vt2.

[dusk idol]

not true

well partially not true

[winter dock]

5 times in one mission, you have to let it run out

[frosty lark]

mm

ok

[plucky agate]

XII lasgun + executioner stance + left tree honestly goes hard especially on the new map with choke points abound

[hollow turtle]

I'm sure Ogryn would like an endless supply of grenades too, or even zealot with whatever that fucking knife does. 😆

[dusk idol]

while they’re definitely not the best weapon, they are by no means weak

[dreamy scaffold]

i mean if they arent that good and are like required to be amazing, im not gonna waste plasteel and dockets

[candid tundra]

the movement restriction really pisses me off, is the best way around that just to crouch walk? I've been seeing it sometimes

[dusk idol]

they are all viable picks, most ranged weapons are now

if you’re looking for best in slot? No

it’s not what you’re looking for

[strange ledge]

Shotguns don't suck. Lawbringer/Kantrael for horde clear w/ scattershot+flechette/manstopper. Agripinna full bore+no respite/manstopper for sniper rp

[misty quest]

Movement restriction is what bothers me the most

[winter dock]

If the shotguns all had higher innate amounts of cleave I could see them being decent into hordes and stuff. But last I checked they hit maybe a bare handful of shit if its stacked densely

[plucky agate]

there was a literal cage match fight yesterday on this chat with this same topic lol, honestly using the 3sec/1sec grace time to reposition is more than enough if you need to dodge a horde thats getting to close

[dreamy scaffold]

thats too much mumbo jumbo for me

[winter dock]

the fire one can pierce a horde with the special- but the flames dont do enough damage to kill even a poxxer

[fathom edge]

this isnt perfect but its ok, and i wouldnt take it past heresy imo

[dusk idol]

Lawbringer acts like a kickback if you aim for the head

[candid tundra]

me too, and being locked into JUST headshots, doesn't work for anything else

[spark helm]

most you can do in my experience is to start actually planning your shots a bit more and taking the time to not devote yourself to building a lot of stacks but just pacing yourself. That's it. I run infantry lasgun builds with solid melee in auric 5's and I don't have many issues.

[ivory rock]

Ay does anyone know if competitive urge has a cooldown or if it can reset proc whenever as long as the 8% hits?

[cedar palm]

the slug round counts as all pellets for some blessings

[hollow turtle]

Camouflage crab is such a "e.e What are you doing?" moment to me.

[strange ledge]

Lawbringer Kantrael kill many heretic. Agripinna kill one heretic big damage

[shrewd sierra]

I'm a noob, what should I do with this?

[winter dock]

grab a shovel and stay crouched the entire mission. Use Shovel dodging to get around. Stand to aim over cover, you can occasionally drop it and move normal if you need to for safety and get the stacks back very easily

[candid tundra]

hmm. I still just don't like the idea, it's a movement shooter and nullifies my entire favourite build (ducking and diving into cover, popping a few heads on elites and repositioning again with the infantry lasguns)

[misty quest]

Im an adhd fiend so i dodge constantly. I dont mind the headshots so much

[dusk idol]

lawbringer has very solid primary fire

[fathom edge]

manic to flak, then either slaughter or rampage for sunder

[hollow turtle]

Change Sunder to Slaughter

[candid tundra]

aye, maybe I'll give it a shot I suppose

[velvet wraith]

dogshit?

[keen sleet]

What level are you? Dont upgrade much and just hoard every materials until you're lvl 30

[sweet basalt]

I've finally done it

[winter dock]

lawbringer primary has the lowest damage full clip in the entire game

[plucky agate]

honestly blindly firing into a horde with atleast aiming for the upper part nets me 3 headshots getting almost full stacks already then i just juggle with the grace period for movement, maintaining the 10 stacks the whole fight. I get that its tedious work just to mainting a buff but i like the idea of resource management

[winter dock]

literally not one weapon that does less damage than it in a full clip

[spark helm]

Guns with medium to high ammo capacity, accuracy and magazine reserves make it far more manageable. With the right tempo, you're not going to lose your stacks and you'll be able to recover them from a baseline. The key with pacing your shots is what makes it matter.

[junior grail]

I might just make Keystone-less Vet builds

Am I wrong in this? Hahaha

[dusk idol]

just reload 4head

[shrewd sierra]

I am 30, but not for that long lol

[misty quest]

I run kantrael 12 with 90 percent headshot so i annihilate things either way

Sometimes i run mark 4 since it feela so good now hipfiring

[dusk idol]

unlike other guns that require you to reload whole mags you can just load in shells that you’re missing, especially if you run either of the reload talents

it’s fast and snazzy

[plucky agate]

2800 damage go brrrrrrrrr

[winter dock]

Marksman focus should be based on headshot/bodyshot/whiff instead. 1 Stack per Dink, Lose 1 stack per body, lose 2 when missing. Easy, donezo beans.

[spark helm]

It's not a bad thing to burn through a horde and that's why you lose stacks. But if you want them that badly then that's what you'll have to do. If you're lacking without the stacks, you need to reassess your loadout. Maybe get some more dmg or some better utility on your weapons with the blessings

[candid tundra]

do you run camo?

[cedar palm]

agripinaa shotgun has been my alternative to the revolver when I wanna shoot more

[hollow turtle]

Infiltrate, low profile. Fire at head level into a horde. You'll get your stacks easily.

[misty quest]

Any columnus autogun chads in here

[drifting moon]

Glad to know we're still talking about it lol

[spark helm]

I run camo in almost every build not because I want to crouch walk but so I can use it as a means to force the stack to stay at a baseline so that the next engagement isn't going to cost me anything. I almost never lose my team playing like this.

[dusk idol]

I doubt I’m much more skilled than other players and consistently doing well with the lawbringer tells me that it’s definitely viable

[hollow turtle]

Yeah, this pretty much. Please don't crab walk. e.e

[spark helm]

I mean this time the point is to actually discuss how it works and not just say only one thing again and again.

[misty quest]

Ammo buff for shotguns definitely helped

[strange ledge]

The reload bug fix was such a QoL godsend

[hollow turtle]

Don't be that weird Veteran cosplaying as a ratling like the DiggaNobs cosplay as orks

[spark helm]

:/

[plucky agate]

executioner stance, if i really want heads in a pinch, i activate it pop a head then run to reposition. 3 seconds is a really long time to run and dodge around. If i feel i need to move more than 3 seconds i just pop a head again and get another grace period. Its really adrenaline pumpin ngl and i find my self flick into heads more consistently

[winter dock]

How do you deal with the fact that you can't kill more than 2 ragers out of a pack of 10 before neading to reload? If you're using the lawbringer and not just immediately dying to anything heavier than a pack of 4-5 dregs I very much want to know your secret

[misty quest]

Stagger and then let everyone else finish for you xd

[dusk idol]

I deal with situations as I need to, mixed horde and ragers? I go melee with grenades, single targets or high prio targets? I use shotgun

[plucky agate]

the 3 other guardsmen running plasmas with you
"Let us introduce ourselves"

[dusk idol]

it’s just using your game sense and your kit

[cedar palm]

I use catachan parry spam whenever there's a group of ragers

[drifting moon]

I use the perk that gives more damage based off distance to targets. Then I take them out before I aggro them. If they are charging me my stamina usually can get me far enough away to get a round or two reloaded

[spark helm]

I need to get a better shotty but I lowkey just use my melee a lot and then punch holes in hordes with a few shots on weapon spec then go right back to melee.

[plucky agate]

I found out that shovel consistently knocks ragers out of their attack animation using the special attack

[candid tundra]

by camo I meant the keystone modifier that allows you to crouchwalk and not lose stacks

[winter dock]

You dont need the node to get that. Its default functionality

[fresh lake]

Hows the focus target skill? Just ran a couple aurics with it and it was realy putting in work but I wanted to know the consensus

[dusk idol]

are you consistently dying to ragers?

[winter dock]

All the node does it GIVE you stacks for crouchwalking

[midnight mortar]

The special staggers mutants out of their charge on a headshot too.

[spark helm]

If there's a big enough mob of goons n nades and all that are down, shotgun is a guaranteed stagger

[shrewd sierra]

What does Slaughter even do? I don't have it unlocked yet lmao

[spark helm]

didn't know that. cool

[strange ledge]

Kantrael with flechette is so nice with wep spec

[plucky agate]

ah yes i do i mainly use it for the passive stack gains so I get 10 stacks immdietly before a major fight and just resource manage those 10 stacks the whole fight

[hollow turtle]

Lasgun IA, krak, and bleed knife user.
When dealing with a horde that has berserkers in the mix, I stay behind the team, and do range stuffs. Of course spot them so they know.
infiltrate and low-profile do wonders so they don't go straight to you, or for getting behind them if you have a good backstab knife.

[spark helm]

Waht does flechette do/

[rustic vortex]

I'm trying to figure out what my favorite melee weapon for Veteran is, and I keep leaning towards the Force Swords.

[strange ledge]

Bleed on crit. Kantrael has infinite cleave as well

[candid tundra]

it all seems like too much gymnastics for me

[spark helm]

ah

[plucky agate]

definetly not for everyone yes so I get alot of people's qualms for it lol

[winter dock]

If more than 1 ever manages to get on top of me, yes. They don't stagger to anything but really heavy hits and once they start hitting me I am guaranteed dead cuz they hit and stagger me out of literally every action in the game every half second or so. Can't even dodge cuz they just hit me out of it. If a rager is one top of me and I don't already have my shovel out mid-special animation I die unless someone can kill it off me

[hollow turtle]

I want to use Kantrael so badly. I just can't get the right build for it.

[spark helm]

weapon spec just happens

[winter dock]

Can't shoot can't even light attack

[foggy terrace]

damn!

[candid tundra]

I feel the same with that and my MG 1a too

[foggy terrace]

[winter dock]

I try to block it eats my entire stamina bar in two hits and then i'm dead

[misty quest]

Might switch to camo to do the same. The 15 stack option seems like overkill

[dusk idol]

ill do a quick test in the psykanium and show you my results of ragers

[drifting moon]

with full stacks and maybe 20 meters I can one shot a carapace armored rager.

[dusk idol]

footage may suck ass though since I don’t have a capture card

[midnight mortar]

Carapace rager?

[spark helm]

If I see more than three ragers in a crowd I step back and lob a krak. Fuck em

[drifting moon]

It 2 shots carapace ogrer

[winter dock]

DM it. I have to go make food cuz I'm starving, I'll watch upon my return

[plucky agate]

thats the neat part about rager starting their attack animation, you dont fight them you mainly block and dodge back until A. A teamate bails you out or B. you can get enough distance that you can pull out your gun and blast the guy, rinse repeat

[spark helm]

not risking it lmao

[dusk idol]

all goods

[drifting moon]

Dude with the chain axe and armor

[hollow turtle]

Here's a video I did in psyk with mixed ragers, horde, maulers, crusher, and bulwark.
#veteran-class message

[midnight mortar]

Oh you meant flak.

[strange ledge]

But then the director decides to spawns in silent mauler crusher pack behind you cos fuck you

[plucky agate]

Scab Rager

[hollow turtle]

I did it to show how fast one gain regain marksman focus stacks, but I guess its also a good example of how I handle the rager issue solo.

[midnight mortar]

I was scratching my head since ragers don't wear carapace.

[drifting moon]

Yeah this dude too

[plucky agate]

just director things. Or spawns just 1 poxwalker thats a former NBA superstar and makes the perfect screen messing up your dodge

[midnight mortar]

There's only 2 types of ragers in the game though.

[hollow turtle]

there's always that one poxwalker that just walks up behind you seemingly out of nowhere. Just one. Nothing else. Just the one.

[midnight mortar]

One that wears no armor and one that wears flak.

[drifting moon]

Actually just need the perk where aiming down sights increases crit and I one shot

[plucky agate]

I find Dreg ragers more dangerous than the Scab ones. They have more aggressive attacks

[elder vessel]

On a Kantrael Shotgun, Is Fire Frenzy or Deathspitter better?

[fathom edge]

does a melee kill with a ranged weapon count as melee or ranged?

[drifting moon]

can point blank head shot them and they die

[misty quest]

Oneshot because mauler overhead brushed my fat dumpy

[strange ledge]

Take both if you're going that route

[drifting moon]

point blank might be a bit optimistic

[plucky agate]

Laughs in plasma gun spam

[hollow turtle]

I'm going to go with melee.

[umbral scaffold]

Well, the marksman experiment got absolutely mauled by shit wifi

[spark helm]

for wep spec?

[fathom edge]

yeah

[elder vessel]

Nah I'm taking full bore

Full bore and one of those

[spark helm]

It's vice versa. melee will give u ranged, ranged gives melee.

Melee is often faster

[drifting moon]

It's not my thing lol.

[fathom edge]

thats not what i mean

[spark helm]

oh

what am i misunderstanding

[fathom edge]

if you get a bayonet kill, is that a ranged weapon kill

[spark helm]

oh idk

I never use it tbh

If I had to guess probably considered melee.

[hollow turtle]

Lol flashlight on weapon customization just too good.

[sturdy crow]

Never used one of these before, what do I do now?

[spark helm]

Since the game is usually very anal about stuff.

[plucky agate]

to each their own style

[hollow turtle]

Replace wrath with power cycler IV and block efficiency to something like maniac probs.

[fathom edge]

thinking say if you run no ammo modifier, and you dont have ammo, can you proc melee by getting a bayonet kill

[strange ledge]

Fire frenzy. Kantrael doesn't need the extra power

[candid tundra]

question, I'm making a revolver build (my old one was for 1 shotting crushers, and playing ranged.) I want to use the weapon swap keystone, and I also want to use executioner's stance. Should I run the ammo regen, or go right for agile engagement?

[sturdy crow]

I only have 3, but that will do

[plucky agate]

thats like horde cleaner 9000

[sturdy crow]

What about perks?

[tawny badger]

switch out wrath for power cycler and maybe replace one of the perks with flak/maniac

[plucky agate]

power up sword light attack 2 times, power up again rinse repeat

[spark helm]

I wouldn't really know and idk the dmg on it and wouldn't bother and just use my normal melee tbh.

[hollow turtle]

block efficiency to probs maniac.

[sturdy crow]

Cool, ty

[spark helm]

OR I slow down my gun use and play around trying to force melee where I can.

The ammo economy get reinterpreted depending on how you're building and playing your veteran.

imo

[junior needle]

I thought the kant would be all about scattershot/flechette, going the regular damage route seems like a waste.

[plucky agate]

i say you can try running third, most people run survivalst anyways and most people are veteran players

[valid apex]

Find a different sword

[drifting moon]

Is there a way to save a skill tree so I don't have to rebuild everytime

[spark helm]

There's a mod I think

for loadouts

seen some screenshots with ppl doing that

[drifting moon]

I don't mod. Oh, well

[hollow turtle]

yeah, I should really make a build when I'm in a lobby with another veteran who is running survivalist.

[spark helm]

fair enough

[mellow jolt]

There’s an in game loadout system

[strange ledge]

Kant has the highest dmg per shot and stagger

[fathom edge]

also when you make a new preset, it copies your current

[spark helm]

it's a safe one and doesn't seem to break stuff

[sturdy crow]

No

[hollow turtle]

Increased characters and loadouts mod. Lol I like that mod.

[junior needle]

But why, of all the shotguns

[umbral scaffold]

idk reasons

[hollow turtle]

because dragonbreath is cool.

[drifting moon]

what is the charge las rifle? is it the helbore?

[plucky agate]

let the man cook

[drifting moon]

or is it some recon one?

[fathom edge]

melk giving me something good for once?

[plucky agate]

hellbore

[plucky agate]

krieg las rifles

[strange ledge]

The gameplay is pretty fun. Special ammo to soften horde then proc blessings and go crazy with fire frenzy

[junior needle]

lucius (helbore)

[drifting moon]

which mk?

[plucky agate]

DAMMNNNNNNN

[junior needle]

Recons are full auto smg type

All helbores function the same with charging, only difference is damage/rof/charge time

[plucky agate]

MKIII if i remember does most damage per shot

but charges slower than MK1 and 2

[spark helm]

I was wrong. It wasn't a mod. There's a + mark in your operative menu

That's how you get them

[drifting moon]

I was looking for damage per shot. I don't mind the charge time

[junior needle]

3 has the most synergy with surgical, some people don't even run onslaught (blessing) on it anymore

[spark helm]

zero clue how many slots you can have

[drifting moon]

They hid that way to well. I never would have seen that

[junior needle]

2 is like a k12 with shittier sights but better armor damage

[plucky agate]

MK3 is like the Kantrel XII but with krieg flavoring and more damage per shot espcially heads

[spark helm]

Real shit, any advice for fishing for better weapons without blowing the money for it or do I just have deal and complete missions/buy and consecrate?

[strange ledge]

There's an issue with onslaught on mk3 when servers haven't been reset for while. Can't chain link charges

[junior needle]

mk3 helbore is more like a plasma gun

[drifting moon]

I guess I am looking for damage per shot, something with precision. I like the revolver but want something new

[sleek garden]

just remember to check the store and melk

[plucky agate]

plus you get a bayonet, pretty cool

[spark helm]

I'm getting impatient with the loop and I never looked into ways to make it faster that don't need curio modifiers

[sleek garden]

I just wait to get lucky

[spark helm]

fair fair

[midnight mortar]

There's no way to bypass the RNG grind.

[junior needle]

That's extremely strange and exactly as expected of a fatshark game

[spark helm]

yeah I tried.

[sleek garden]

Yesterday I found a greenautogun in the store at 380 with a tier 4 perk

I was so surprised

[midnight mortar]

Yeah it's a ghost input buffering bug. Longstanding too.

[fathom edge]

what are best plasma blessings?

[plucky agate]

I once ran the new mission with a Kantrel XII without getting ammo pickups. the Free ammo from Crit + survivalist is insane

[spark helm]

I don't like that that's how this game works with the item progression tbh. MAkes things a slog sometimes.

[brisk umbra]

thosetwo

[junior needle]

You can try waiting for emperors gifts, but a usable (much less good) one is very rare. Playing on regular quickplay damnation will get you a pretty good amount of resources.

[fathom edge]

ah, neat

[plucky agate]

those two are gucci imo

[drifting moon]

This charges right?

[sleek garden]

I did this with the blue infantry lasgun using deadshot

It was entertaining

[brisk umbra]

but again, for Plasma you really need good stats and good perks over the blessings

[plucky agate]

thats Kantrel , get the Lucius one

[elder vessel]

Darktide crafting should do it like Destiny weapon crafting

let me level up my Knife

[fathom edge]

wasnt sure if this was better

[drifting moon]

mk III?

[sleek garden]

That's the infantry lasgun, itt uses a few ammo per shot but I doesn't charge

[spark helm]

I might honestly just stop doing aurics and go for damnation. easier experience for more clears durin a play session I guess.

[brisk umbra]

nah, that bugs out the plasma unless it's fixed

[sleek garden]

You're looking for the musket

[plucky agate]

yes Lucius Hellbore MKIII

the one with a bayonety

[brisk umbra]

if you have too much charge speed it deals less damage

[delicate moat]

anyone else love squishing monstrosities to death with doors? Cheesy but extremely funny...

[fathom edge]

this was my old one i havent used plasma much

and just got this off melk

[spark helm]

idk if item quality drops go up exclusively with tier of difficulty or something

[brisk umbra]

the damage is really low 😦

[spark helm]

I really miss the chest system from vt.

[scenic bronze]

So weapons specialist 330 crit isn't a typo? What's the point above 100?

[junior needle]

That's what I was doing for a good bit to farm resources, but now I have a decent stash and am getting bored.

[brisk umbra]

It's Multiplicative and not additive probably

[spark helm]

Getting like...five weapons in one run was a lot cooler.

[plucky agate]

I noticed auric damnations almost always drops highest rarities

[brisk umbra]

Or they are insane, either way

[sleek garden]

why do you go for flak on a lasgun?

[spark helm]

Yeah that's true

[fathom edge]

so keep blessings and reroll perks to flak/mani?

[drifting moon]

200k fishing for a 370 modifier... fml lol

[sleek garden]

I put unarmored on it so you can one shot stormtroopers and melee dudes

[plucky agate]

you dont, you aim for the head

[spark helm]

It's just I'm not going to always complete aurics super consistently unles sI'm playing with some friends or something

[sleek garden]

I know

That's why I said I put unarmored on it

[strange ledge]

To get 100% crit after 3 stacks. Pull out revolver. Go back to melee

[spark helm]

And I think I'm at the point where my damnation completions are guaranteeing transcendant drops. idk if the blessing tiers tend to stay higher in aurics though.

[hollow turtle]

Hey, you didn't lose 700k for a 370 sword you were just going to use for experimenting.

[plucky agate]

but yes putting carapaced/maniacs or anyhitng you feels needs one shotting works

[spark helm]

That'd be the deal breaker because my biggest issue rn is just the slog of collecting higher tier blessings.

[drifting moon]

I would have stopped way before that lol

[spark helm]

It'd be easier if you got more than one weapon from a mission clear.

[elder vessel]

Brunt Grind makes me limp and feeble

[sleek garden]

Carapace on a lasgun sounds really silly

[spark helm]

Like two would be better. Three would be best.

[sleek garden]

You do like 5-20 damage a shot

[elder vessel]

I need more Ordos PLEASE

[plucky agate]

spent 2 weeks crafting 3 recon lasguns from profane to highest difficulty jsut to get infernus, i did not get infernus on all 3

[hollow turtle]

Just like back in VT2. I'd be more than happy with 2 at least.

[sleek garden]

When I play veteran I just ping crushers and stay away from them

[plucky agate]

Melk came in clutch and sold me one with Infernus 4

[spark helm]

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that annoys me. I'll grind stuff but cmon.

Just a crumb>

like half of one?

[umbral scaffold]

I am most certainly not feeling the love trying to play marksman vet

[minor brook]

this just dropped for me boys, what do i change about it

[junior needle]

Infernus is on the forbidden blessing list and drops only rarely, even though it's more mediocre now

[hollow turtle]

Don't. 😄

[umbral scaffold]

Feels several times worse than just getting a good melee weapon and going wild

[spark helm]

Do you not have a solid melee weapon?

[umbral scaffold]

I do, plenty

[spark helm]

mhm

Just not hittin?

[sleek garden]

go into an auric maelstrom with only scab and hit f and watch as all of the scab troopers light up on your screen

I love playing generic fps man

[spark helm]

Auric malestroms are fucking...

STRESSFUL but so fun.

[plucky agate]

pressing F in a map with Fog modifier and suddenly your screen lights up like a christmas tree

Good times

[umbral scaffold]

Well, the melee weapon works, it's just the whole marksman part that's missing me

[hollow turtle]

Lol weaker monstrosities auric maelstrom is so chaotically fun.

[spark helm]

I like lights out and fog.

[sleek garden]

maybe veteran doesn't have the huge stopping power but he's really good at picking off a lot of little targets fast

[umbral scaffold]

I'm getting more mileage out of slapping everything at close range and leaving the gun as a gift for the bad stuff

[hollow turtle]

Lights out is my go to for any auric mission. If I see that icon, I'm clicking it.

[sleek garden]

You don't realize how painful fighting 600 shooters on the map is until You're playing someone who can only hipfire

[plucky agate]

Running with decent veterans that consistently hit heads will make you feel gunners dont exist at all

[fathom edge]

i love lights out on the outdoor missions, and it makes zero difference

[spark helm]

You really can't go wrong with a solid melee weapon capable of addressing carapace reliably and a good lasgun and exestance

[hollow turtle]

Have you seen 3 psykers do a congo line behind you because you're the one guy with a flashlight?

[drifting moon]

When I play I focus on ranged enemies, elites, and other creatures when I have the chance

[sleek garden]

Not even a weapon that kills carapace, just use the shovel to poke them and back away

[fathom edge]

but lights out on that mission that ends in transmitting at the big dish, total darkness, and that green flash at the end lets you see everything for the first time and its such a cool feeling

[plucky agate]

Ive run with 3 psyker trying to buld atlantis and just dome everything out of existense. I was a very happy veteran that day

[sleek garden]

I saw this too it was funny

[sleek garden]

I like when the dish finally transmits

[spark helm]

with a tag build and lasgun that's a great wya to play. You're virtually never losing value since the targets you're having the most interactions with are easy to kill.

[hollow turtle]

My first run through on the new mission was pretty much this. I just held the torch literally.

[drifting moon]

I love when nobody else uses ammo and I can let the revolver sing all game

[sleek garden]

It goes wumwumwumwumwum

[spark helm]

personaly like having something that's not just a shovel but I've never made a transcended one.

[hollow turtle]

The only thing I had to protect the psykers from were the crusher/mauler/bulwark groups. Krak is a hell of a drug.

[plucky agate]

shovel is not that good with no wide sweeps but the stagger is imaculate

[spark helm]

They're solid but I like the chainsword/axe for carapace and rager kill efficiency. Haven't used axes yet but idk

[sleek garden]

Also I use falter on my lasgun and it immediately staggers anything that isn't a crusher or reaper

Which is amazing when there's 3 ragers rushing you

[spark helm]

Falter is one of my favorite blessings rn.

you lose some dmg but the stagger basically just guarantees more.

so it's whatever. I'm a utility fiend.

[sleek garden]

the shovel with hammerblow will throw a mauler on the floor which is extremely rare because even explosions don't stagger them much

[drifting moon]

anyone else struggle with plasteel?

[sleek garden]

The shovel special interrupts attacking ragers

[spark helm]

yeah you get to stun lock em

[hollow turtle]

I never crafted a stagger based build. Frankly I just find it harder to make the headshots when they stagger. so that's a skill issue on my end.

[tawny badger]

we all do, it's a fact of life

[drifting moon]

The shovel is sooo under rated

[sleek garden]

also did you guys know if you headshot special a mutie with the shovel it stops him ?

I made him release a teammate

[spark helm]

personal advice is to kind of figure out the sweetspot to aim for your cursor to hit head on those. usually the attack isn't actually going through the center of the reticle. That's justa guideline

[sleek garden]

The shovel does actually have wide sweeps but it doesn't cleave super well

[plucky agate]

2K plasteel later, time to stab some heretics

[hollow turtle]

You know ironically, i have more plasteel than diamantine right now and it blows my mind.

[shrewd sierra]

Cries in Low Settings

[fathom edge]

i keep it on low-med to keep it around 100+

[spark helm]

also fighting with the shovel at max range on chained heavies usually made up for the lack of cleave for me.

usually.

[hollow turtle]

Lol I forget that low settings doesn't make the dark rooms as dark.

[fathom edge]

i wish it ran just a little better so i could crank it

[spark helm]

when it didn't work I got fucked hard.

[shrewd sierra]

I keep it on medium to have 30+ FPS

[hollow turtle]

Lol so you're like me for the most part.

[sleek garden]

I actually don't mind this because even if you don't instakill a gunner he stops shooting and you can shoot at the other two gunners standing next to him

[spark helm]

but that was during og launch for darktide so powersword just trumped everything when I got it.

[lilac kayak]

bruh

[hollow turtle]

HOW

[plucky agate]

just fatshark things, been happening yesterday too

[lilac kayak]

carnival mission btw

[limber fractal]

finally got me hat after the penance was fixed

[hollow turtle]

Morrow was like, "No. Not him. Don't send him."

[sleek garden]

I have had a few crashes trying to play after the update

[plucky agate]

oh boi lets gooooo

[brazen bay]

these bad rolls are killing me smalls

[ivory rock]

Vet tree isn't bloated:
Vet tree:

[lilac kayak]

Before u reach the end arena of the carnival, theres a monstrosity spawn point just before the bridge in which Morrow decided its time to abort the mission

[sleek garden]

This is the kinda mission you bring executor stance and lasgun on

[shrewd sierra]

I had 3 people quit in like the last 20 sec of a mission

Felt so weird lol

[lilac kayak]

thats carnival with the gunner spam at the end

[plucky agate]

my Krieger is ready

[sleek garden]

Nothing feels better than lining up a shot on a sniper and shooting first as his gun flashes

[plucky agate]

Or not i guess fatshark servers are taking a dive today

[midnight mortar]

Could be server issues too. They're more frequent.

[shrewd sierra]

We're a small squad today

[spark helm]

Personal fan of split second slide shot kill

[obtuse dawn]

Does the stam Regen delay affect dodge Regen?

I tried taking both nodes and it felt like it made the dodges Regen faster too

[spark helm]

shouldn't

at least not to me

[obtuse dawn]

Why shouldn't it?

[sleek garden]

I play veteran very slow

I just walk or stand still behind my team shooting up baddies

[drifting moon]

NEver using that gun again

[sleek garden]

What gun

[spark helm]

you might just be getting better at managing your dodge.

dodge is based off of your current weapon out, not stam

[plucky agate]

They really sent out a regiment

[midnight mortar]

Dodges recharge at a separate fixed rate depending on your active weapon.

Stamina is a resource spent on multiple different actions.

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah you guys are right

I was just imagining things

[drifting moon]

anything but the revolver lol

[spark helm]

idr but if you're dodging with a gun, you pretty much have zero properties to help you actually slip out. with melee, depending on the weapon you get multiple charges of dodge before diminishing returns.

you'll notice it by how much range you don't have after doing it too much.

Weapons like thek nife for example have a high dodge rate and longer distance and maybe speed (idk), meaning you can chain more if you have to/want to before diminshing returns. Can't speak on recharge but it feels like idk...maybe 2.5 seconds before your dodge rate resets.

So meaningful dodging and horde management > dodging because you're worried.

[plucky agate]

I feel like if your in a situation that you used up all your dodges and still need more, you have bigger problems on you hand and may need to regroup with your team

[drifting moon]

It's the charge of the MK III lucius helbore that is fucking me up RN. It's annoying to deal with

[midnight mortar]

The dodge count mod helps here.

[spark helm]

there was this one video on youtube that actualyl did a great job of breakingdown the basics of defense in a solid easy to follo way

fuck whoever they brought on for that one promoted beginner guide

[plucky agate]

MKI has shorter but pretty good damage

[drifting moon]

I'm gonna stick with the revolver lol

[spark helm]

someone called like cookies something or whatever. Her defense guide

[midnight mortar]

Yeah it's also got input buffer ghosting issues. You'll notice it if you try to charge a shot then fire an uncharged shot and then charge again.

[minor brook]

how good of a pickup is this?

[midnight mortar]

FS hasn't fixed that bug in months.

[lofty sigil]

For the 90% accuracy penance does it track with ALL ranged weapons?

[midnight mortar]

But they also don't restart their servers so I shouldn't be surprised.

[midnight mortar]

Any ranged weapon qualifies for potentially completing the penance.

[spark helm]

https://youtu.be/nSglTyG_lXw?si=hWdbyFnpqM9Ars5z&t=367

this one

Really solid one

[plucky agate]

MKI with faste charging per shot bops, takes less than half a second to fully charge deals almost 40% more damage than the kantrel

[sleek garden]

Did you guys notice the difference hellbores have different bayonet attacks?

One of them has a sweep and the other has a stab

[spark helm]

whole guide is mostly still relevant since it's just going over the fundamental basics of the game.

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[plucky agate]

the sweep makes me ashamed to be honest, why even. its a stabby stick

[drifting moon]

The gun is fine. its a skill issue

[sleek garden]

so you can slice a few little dudes in front of you

Hiya

[bronze trout]

Emperor gave me this, I know I want brutal momentum but what else would you change on this?

[sleek garden]

The scab troopers have a slash attack too

They wind it up really slow which I think is funny

[umbral scaffold]

Could keep shred, could keep AON

[sleek garden]

All or nothing is actually fun

I wish I could put it on my shovel

Because as I keep pushing and dodging I don't really regen stamina

[umbral scaffold]

If keeping AON I'd swap the crit chance for unyielding and shred for BM, but if keeping shred I'd also keep crit chance and do funny melee vet

[plucky agate]

combo all or nothing with the perk that drains stamin when aiming. the moment you pull out your melee it has the wrath of the emperor with it

[dusk idol]

not bad

[spark helm]

Honestly this right here should just be in pinned until the game changes drastically again or something. I forgot about this one lmao. https://youtu.be/JYv7SsM7s9k?si=I01wGrGjc0Pkf0MY

oops

fixed it

[swift ingot]

@dusk idol big scope looks cool on Laspistol but the sight picture is horrendous

[dusk idol]

it is indeed

[bronze trout]

Okay thanks I'll probably go the AoN route then, one other thing, stability isnt important for las guns right? Cause I just go this off melk

[dusk idol]

completely ass

but cool is the rule

[bronze trout]

I didnt have a decent 1a and this looks okay

[dusk idol]

it’ll see you through

till you upgrade

good stat distribution

[swift ingot]

I will not compromise my accuracy for aesthetics

But I wish it was less egregious

[dusk idol]

Stocks being heresy on bolters in codex astartes would like a word with you

[spark helm]

The la is probably the most stable because of the fire rate alone.

[junior needle]

It'd be important if it actually did something, I have a max stability 1a and 4 and they both still bounce a ton even with volley on

[spark helm]

eh, the one for dogs yeah definitely but it's still helpful tbh

oh really?

[dusk idol]

but watching a dog crumple against a wall will always be timeless

[spark helm]

I barely noticed. Dogs definitely are more telegraphed.

[bronze trout]

Yeah I like the basic lasguns the most but had a decent XII before, really using anything else feels bad to me for the most part, I like the recons too but those seemed to be nerfed

[languid scarab]

Did Tinkerer bug gets fixed? I did not see it anywhere

[dusk idol]

it was fixed

[languid scarab]

thank the emperor. That was such a mess.

[south garnet]

I think the keystone on the left would feel better, even keeping movement restrictions, if you got 1 stack per weakspot hit (max 1/second) or similar

On top of existing kills

[minor brook]

does no respite affect fire rounds

[dusk idol]

dunno

test it

[spark helm]

u gud np. I legit wouldn't know certain major changes aside from maybe reading a patch note section here and there or just meathead learning from experience. The most noticeable change since the overhaul is definitely the dogs. They're similar to the gutterrunners with the telegraphed lunges.

they just, straight up stop moving, then jump.

poxbursters feel tougher somehow but I jsut shove em anyway

idk I never shoot them as a rule of thumb unless they're clustered in nicely and far away from others.

[junior needle]

Doesn't even work, this site blows

There we go

[sleek garden]

This is my favorite lasgun

[drifting moon]

I don't think the las guns are as consistent as the revolver... at least the way I play

[sleek garden]

I have a 380 one with falter and the blessing that reduces ammo usage

After waiting to fire

also unarmored and infested target damage

It's flexible enough to fire into a horde in a panic or line up proper headshots on dug in troopers/gunners/baddies

Just don't expect to kill maulers/crushers/monstrosities fast

[drifting moon]

Yeah, that's my play style lol. It's too inconsistent in its damage output for me. I am acknowledging the skill issue at play here

If I had any amount of breathing room it would have been fine but I kept getting left out to dry

[plucky agate]

lasguns/revolvers still do pretty decent damage if hit at their weakspots and its continous if you can line up follow up shots. that is if your not being swarmed my the mauler gang

[gusty bison]

Would break on some guns tbh

Like an accatran 6d would just get 15 stacks in like 2s

[plucky agate]

recon lasgun gonna make you 10 stacks and keep you at 10 stacks

[gusty bison]

And as much as recons could do with a buff. I rather they be buffed directly than through a keystone

[drifting moon]

I know lol, I couldn't get any breathing room to shoot anything. With the revolver I can at least kill the specials and dip while I reload. I think the other thing is that I didnt have anything to get me out of trouble with elites when they got close because the combat knife sucks at armored

[plucky agate]

frags should give you some breathing room, for melee chainsword or the power sword is your go to for both hordes and elite/specials. A charged up chainsword would melt mutants and two shot maulers if hit in the head

[twin elk]

The left node should also work when ADS instead of just standing still

[plucky agate]

like passively gain stacks while aiming ?

[twin elk]

No just not reduce stacks

[tropic charm]

what blessings are good on the combat shotgun?

[plucky agate]

gonna have to ask others for that rarely use shotguns lol. i like to keep my distance

[golden axle]

what shotgun

[tropic charm]

The one that starts with A and has the slug shot

[plush dragon]

Heyo anyone have the discord invite for the weapon edit mod?

[tropic charm]

forgot the name

[golden axle]

the agri is probably no respite/full bore for slug interaction

[tropic charm]

cool, already got full bore. I'll have to check out no respite. It's pretty awesome on a shout / weapon specialist build

thanks

[golden axle]

gotchu bb

[quasi glade]

Which autogun is the good one people have been talking about?

[golden axle]

columnus V

iAG

[quasi glade]

Aha, thanks

And the blessings for it?

[plush dragon]

all of them

the v is best for triggers

[golden axle]

probably fire frenzy/deathspitter is the popular choice

[viscid marlin]

I like dumdum myself

but those work too

[plush dragon]

fire frenzy goes hard cause you trigger off shitters fasters

[viscid marlin]

everyone likes to sleep on raking fire but.. ive had a lot of matches where something will beeline a teammate and i can end up super nuking it from orbit with raking fire on

[golden axle]

definitely preference, i get raking fire but man i hate conditional stuff like that

[solemn jay]

uptime is king

[golden axle]

but it can rock for sure, raking % goes high as balls

[viscid marlin]

its 180 degrees

its actuallyu extrmely generous

the degree of counting for "behind" enemies is half their view

you just do a dodge to the side of them and bam, 40%

i dunno, maybe its not perfectly ideal but i like it

[quasi glade]

ty ty

[viscid marlin]

especially when a boss has its back to me because it's attacking someone else, that's when it really comes in

[sleek garden]

I think the problem with it is that overall its damage is just okay without headshots so it takes noticeably longer to kill something like a maniac or even a scab bruiser without headshots

Probably to make up for the big mags

[serene bough]

looks like han solo's blaster

[sleek garden]

It's faster to shoot a drug bruiser in the body than in the head with the La

Dreg

With mine at least

[serene bough]

i use the mg4

so its just faster to shoot everything

spray into the crowd

[quasi glade]

Hadron does not like me

[sleek garden]

Is that the blue one with the skeleton stock

I used to use that on my shock trooper type guy

The blue lasgun

[serene bough]

yes

with shock troop it effectively has infinite ammo

[sleek garden]

I like that it has a ton of ammo

I used it to blast maulers really fast

That's what it is good at to me

[quasi glade]

these are the shittiest blessings god dammit

again xD

[sleek garden]

What's wrong with stripped down

[serene bough]

all in all its just an effective weapon

[sleek garden]

You can run straight at a gunner

[serene bough]

works well with consistent damage buffs

well, i guess everything does

[gusty bison]

Ngl atm it already kinda does.

You usually only drop stacks when you are forced onto melee or have to reposition

[sleek garden]

I used it with infernus

[sleek garden]

I think people are too scared of marksmans focus

It actually sounds great to me

it's a skill check

[golden axle]

sexy, unarmoured isnt the worst thing to be stuck with

[sleek garden]

land a headshot

[golden axle]

might change flak to maniac though

[serene bough]

yeah shes a beaut of a lasgun

[sleek garden]

move a little

Keep shooting

[serene bough]

yeah im debating between maniac vs flak but im leaning more towards flak

[golden axle]

maniac is sooooo good for breakpoints on relevant targets though

[gusty bison]

Frankly you dont have to stop moving

[sleek garden]

I would say flak solely so if you have to fight maulers you can blast them faster

[quasi glade]

I guess I'll put flak and maniac on the autogun

and stick with those blessings

[sleek garden]

I actually like to stand still so I have no weapon sway

I'm weird

[gusty bison]

Ur weird :P

What gun ur using?

[sleek garden]

But I use the thing that gives you toughness on headshots and bonus resistance to toughness damage

The big lasgun La

The brown one but not the absolute highest damage per shot

The one in the middle

[gusty bison]

Oh ok understandable but weird gun to take marksman with 🤔

[ancient vector]

thoughts?

[sleek garden]

Why

[gusty bison]

Precisely cos of the sway

[sleek garden]

It sounds like the kind of keystone to use with executors stance

[gusty bison]

Yea its also one of the guns i wont use with exec stance xD

Mostly cos it hates pressurr

[sleek garden]

I use executor stance with the thing that highlights all shooters

So it works for me

[solemn plaza]

how good is No Respite on a mk 3 helbore? i got a great roll minus getting sustained fire again and im looking to swap it

[sleek garden]

I 2 shot a few maniacs with two headshots

Do you want to know my actual ridiculous gun and perk combo

Columnus auto gun with deadshot

[gusty bison]

Horrific

Its onslaught and surgical as the blessings you want

[solemn plaza]

roger

[midnight mortar]

Onslaught and surgical are what you want.

No Respite isn't very helpful.

[solemn plaza]

lol speak of the devil, just rolled onsllaught 4 lol

[plucky agate]

Between they eyes just gets overshadowed by the supression immunity skill

[sleek garden]

No respite is fun on a shotgun

If the first shot didn't kill the person now they're on the floor and will take an extra 100 damage on the next

[solemn plaza]

there thats better, lol

[sleek garden]

My favorite shotgun is the lawbringer

[drifting moon]

I wish you luck with that gun. It doesn't jive with me too well

[solemn plaza]

its my favourite for vet honestly, it took a while getting used to but i cant live without it now

[sleek garden]

have you guys used the Columnus autogun with weapons specialist

You blow through your entire magazine in like 3 seconds

It's insane

[solemn plaza]

i personally dont find the irons on it that bad. i mean they arent amazing but i still dome heretics easily

[dusk jacinth]

should i get

[drifting moon]

I feel it. I just tried one and I could see how it would be a good weapon if you could play around the gun

[twin elk]

Max health roll but no good perks

[obsidian umbra]

i dont know anything about head hunters, is this worth melk bucks?

[solemn plaza]

the only enemy that embarasses me in front of my team is hounds which instant transmission so damn fast i only ever hit their after image lol

the psykhanium needs like, a poxhound skeet shoot mode

[drifting moon]

Usually insn't a problem with the revolver because you always get your base damage in an instant

However, the reloading every 3 seconds is a bit annoying

Are chain axes worth trying? I currently use a combat knife and never did try one out lol

Need something with a bit more oomph for up close. Knife is great for small guys, not so good with armor

wait, what keystone is that?

[solemn plaza]

i prefer chainsword since it swings faster but axe is good if you want raw damage i think

[sleek garden]

Weapons specialist with the left modifier

[drifting moon]

I'm not gonna give the chainsword peddler the satisfaction lmao

[modern dome]

consider this: shovel THONK

[waxen veldt]

Best catachan sword?

[sleek garden]

chainsword is fun because I used to think the best way to deal with hordes was just spam heavies with it then I realized how fast the lights were

[solemn plaza]

i do miss the shovel sometimes

[sleek garden]

It actually depends I think

what do you wanna use it for

[midnight mortar]

The one on the right? It's written there in your talent tree.

[modern dome]

i dont miss the shovel because i still use it 😎

[drifting moon]

I use the left one...

[sleek garden]

the first golden catachan claw is great at hordes

[waxen veldt]

For clearing up groups I think

[vague lintel]

does anyone know if the mk12 las gun still holds up nowadays or has it fallen behind with the health increases

[hazy reef]

I too engage in a mild amount of shovel tomfoolery

[sleek garden]

You probably want the golden catachan then

[midnight mortar]

It's still good if you can click on heads.

[sleek garden]

It has two horizontal heavies

[midnight mortar]

TTK is still good.

[sleek garden]

And fast lights that end with a downward blow

[modern dome]

ive been using it, it has gone from excellent to alright. elites definitely take a lot more shots now

[midnight mortar]

The other Kantrael lasguns have just been brought up to par with it so they have roughly similar TTKs.

[sleek garden]

It still has the high damage parry

[waxen veldt]

Is that the MKVII?

[vague lintel]

any reason to use over helbore other than ease of access

[midnight mortar]

Shouldn't stop you from reading the other keystones though.

[drifting moon]

I have lost my ability to read

[midnight mortar]

Reasons would include not wanting to deal with ghost input buffering bugs on the Mk3, more reliable ease of use, and a more effective anti-shooter weapon or at least one that's easier to use than the helbores. The helbores primary value comes from anti-carapace options.

[sleek garden]

I forgot the name sorry but it has a flat blade with a golden handguard

[midnight mortar]

But I personally find kraks and power sword push attacks to be more than enough for that.

[vague lintel]

cool ill try it

[warm remnant]

Incorrect.

Chainsword is SSSSSS tier

Bow to it

[vague lintel]

i was using vraks 7 as my sniper but want to try las gun again

[drifting moon]

So the bastard arrives huh?

Lol

[sleek garden]

The one with holes in the blade has a first horizontal heavy then a big overhead so it's a bit more flexible

[warm remnant]

I never left.

I had stuff todo

[modern dome]

AHA you did leave

[drifting moon]

I was hoping you wouldn't see me asking about the chain axe lol

[modern dome]

😎

[hazy reef]

I love the chainaxe, but it's not very good

[warm remnant]

CChainaxe is based

Fucking awful weapon

I love it

Nah, it's actually got great horde clear, good elite killing, and fantastic mobility

[golden axle]

just remove camera snap on it and we are good

[warm remnant]

You put Knife at A even thugh Knife is kinda hot garbage

[atomic zephyr]

can laspistols reliably kill carapace?

[warm remnant]

[waxen veldt]

Playing chainsword after playing eviscerator makes me sad

[drifting moon]

Knife is not hot garbage

[warm remnant]

Knife does go fast, this is true

[drifting moon]

You might be hot garbage with a knife lol

[golden axle]

takes onslaught and like infernus but sure it can do the job, but your better of powersword MK6ing them in the face.

[drifting moon]

It is on armored enemies though

[atomic zephyr]

understandable

[drifting moon]

I'll concede that point

[sleek garden]

I don't understand the chainaxe but I use it on zealot

I don't think I know how to use it still

[atomic zephyr]

im trying to put together ye olde sergeant build because i dont actually have one

[warm remnant]

That's why I have other weapons for that.

[drifting moon]

It's weird that the chain axe isn't always running. Seems to defeat the purpose

[sleek garden]

It is always running

Wym

[waxen veldt]

What's a good melee to pair with plasma?

[sleek garden]

Have you hit anyone with an ordinary light with it

[warm remnant]

Chainsword H > H > L > Sprint cancel > * is great clear, though.

[sleek garden]

it saws through them

[atomic zephyr]

it does rev if you swing it but

[modern dome]

I believe it runs when you swing it though, and its slowly moving at all times so I think its on but not revved

[sleek garden]

Needs to do more damage though I shouldn't have to swing twice to saw through a plain dreg bruiser

[golden axle]

something for chaff clearing

[fresh dome]

Depend on your range weapon/melee/grenade combo as if your range/grenade are better at dealing with hordes you might want a single target melee weapon but if your using a range/grenade that kill single target easily you might want a melee weapon that clear waves easily

[drifting moon]

OOOOHHH light attacks are the armor piercing attacs

[junior needle]

Remember to bring only your weakest weapons to auric 5's, everyone on your team will enjoy the extra gameplay

[golden axle]

and the ones that get stuck

[hazy reef]

I love having to light spam with headtaker to get reasonable damage for a special

[golden axle]

[sleek garden]

It's flexible

[warm remnant]

Oh, no, it's not just that. It is actually good. I used the chainsword even when it wasn't great. I do like it, I just also am aware when it's good. It is good.

[solemn plaza]

i love chainsword for the fast slaps to deal with poxwalkers quickly and the revved heavy swing when something mean gets too close. it just feels too good chewing threw it

[swift ingot]

That’s the point

[hazy reef]

I love the sound of hitting flak with chainaxe lights

[sleek garden]

you can say an axe is better than a sword at single target but the axe struggles with big groups of people

[golden axle]

bromentum

[sleek garden]

you still have to hit twice to activate the horizontal swing on the big blue axe

[warm remnant]

And the Knife?

[sleek garden]

This is because it's stupid to be tuned like this with a blessing

why is this a thing

[warm remnant]

You also put it below the DC4 which is about on par.

[waxen veldt]

Which combat axe?

[snow pendant]

new brand of stupid vet that cant read appeard
-picks the tagging keystone
-spam tag on everything that can be tag on the screen being an annoying idotic muppet

[sleek garden]

It really shouldn't be that way

[warm remnant]

Bromentum is a mistake, yes, it continues to be a mistake.

[snow pendant]

you dont just fuck up the bonus u get from it , u also making it noisy and showing us how much of a fucking idiot u are for not being able to read tooltips and testing it out at the psykarnium

[sleek garden]

Also just to be clear you have to use a blessing to get that effect

the chainsword just does that

[gusty bison]

Actually spam tagging is the way to go

Cos u get a stack refunded per kill

So everything has 2 stacks

[sleek garden]

If you don't use it the axe just becomes a monster at blowing up carapace and heads

The knife does it a little worse but has high mobility

[gusty bison]

And thats just free team toughness regen

[snow pendant]

thats really annoying

[gusty bison]

Ur getting free toughness. You will live

[drifting moon]

I concur. Unless what was tagged was killed

then they get a pass

[sleek garden]

I think the way that keystone is supposed to be used is to mark an actual high priority target so it takes less time to kill it

[warm remnant]

Boring.

[gusty bison]

Ok yea if u arent killing what ur tagging then its bad

[snow pendant]

the muppet spam tagging everything before the first tag dies instead of waiting it to die first before tagging the next thing

[sleek garden]

Like put it on a sneaky trapper

[modern dome]

yea
alao it feels cool having a fun and special yellow enemy tag ehhee

feels like a commander

[sleek garden]

Or a crusher in your face

[gusty bison]

Ah a bind to LMB guy

Yea i see

[snow pendant]

the first tagged not dead and the idiotic muppet just spam it

[drifting moon]

Then that's annoying

[snow pendant]

yeah now i want a feature where i can just mute the sfx from other players cuz they are too stupid to read and know wtf it does

[modern dome]

spam tagging may be annoying but it can win games

assuming not using new vet keystone

[snow pendant]

not if the tag spammer just spams it without waiting for the tagged to die first before tagging another

[modern dome]

i just mean for intel agnostic to the keystone

^

budget wallhacks

yeah LOL

[snow pendant]

dont have to spam tagging it on everything the idiot just spams it all the time

next spammer i see i will reciprocate by doing my own spamming too

lets see how u like a noisy fucker in your team too

[modern dome]

personally idgaf, i like the intel

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but i understand how the voicelines can get absolutely grating

[split sapphire]

Brutal momentum is soooo good!

[modern dome]

so i feel for u on that

[snow pendant]

i understand to bring attention , i dont agree when that 1 idiot is spamming it the whole time until there is nothing in the screen for him to spam it

[warm remnant]

Quick question, how many units did you spawn here? I can't quite tell

[modern dome]

😰

[snow pendant]

there is a difference to calling attention and being an annoying stupid git

[sleek garden]

Do you guys see the subreddit for this game

People keep screaming and crying that the keystones suck

[serene bough]

no i dont use reddit

[golden axle]

reddit is reddit

[sleek garden]

They don't

[serene bough]

i dont use keystones

[golden axle]

keystones are fine w/e but the tree itself is ass

[sleek garden]

You don't need the keystones anyway

[golden axle]

literally remove that one stamina node at the top and soooo many builds open up

[solemn plaza]

the tree is pretty constrictive on builds, i still managed to get what i wanted but i can see why people are upset

[sleek garden]

Let's be honest here

people think it's constrictive because you want always prepared

[serene bough]

i guess my problem with the keystones is the damage buffs arent meaningful from my current playtesting

not because theyre too weak

but because by the time you get down there you've already picked up enough damage buffs to make them kind of null

[atomic zephyr]

y'know, marksman's focus isnt bad for a recon lasgun build

stack crit chance and shock trooper

[sleek garden]

the one that gives you effectively infinite ammo on a lasgun

You have to expend like

500 rounds on a lasgun to run out

[stray storm]

What’s a good blessing set up for the Graia?

[trim steppe]

While Exhilarating Takedown is bugged, Out For Blood seems like an ok option. It just about doubles toughness replenishment for melee kills and lets you get some back on ranged kills

[desert hawk]

dumdum

[modern dome]

when i use the ammo aura on vet i never run out of las ammo

[trim steppe]

I found myself with 2 points left over which isnt enough to reach anything good, but I can reach Out for Blood. Its a noticeable improvement to defenses

[modern dome]

and i ALWAYS ammo aura because i love my ogryns

[solemn plaza]

i tested the ammo perks on my new hellbore and yeah, i never have to change a mag lol. shits wild

[sleek garden]

Exh takedown is bugged?

[serene bough]

not taking ammo aura feels like a handicap

i have like 1 build where i dont use it bc i want to distribute points and its always noticable im low on ammo

[junior grail]

Playing Vet patch14 feels like a handicap

[swift ingot]

I take middle aura to save an extra point, also number go up

[sleek garden]

Im using the Columnus autogun on one build and I've accepted that I'm an ammo guzzler

[golden axle]

its actually not so bad to not take it currently this patch

[sleek garden]

I grab all the ammo

[trim steppe]

it makes you take extra damage instead of giving you damage reduction

[solemn plaza]

ive noticed after this patch, i tag ammo for other vets and they ignore it. its terrifying

that NEVER happens

[swift ingot]

For once our views align

[sleek garden]

wtf

that's the opposite of what you want

[autumn perch]

Vet chat

[trim steppe]

yes

[tired heath]

its the opposite of wahts written

[autumn perch]

Is the Lucius helrifle good

?

[sleek garden]

I used to use it to face tank gunners

[golden axle]

which # helbore is that again

[serene bough]

maybe not but you really feel it

[solemn plaza]

its my favourite personally but you gotta be a kinda dude for it

[serene bough]

the lack of ammo i mean

[autumn perch]

Idk I’m just asking in general

[serene bough]

(or maybe i just play like a reckless ork who loves his dakka)

[solemn plaza]

if you want full on marksman playstyle they are great

[sleek garden]

What's dakla

Dakka

I've heard this word lately

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[autumn perch]

Firepower

In ork

[solemn plaza]

dakka dakka dakka dakka

[golden axle]

Dakka = bang bang pew pew

[swift ingot]

You know, dakka

[junior needle]

Is that the power boost for weakspot hits on ulting or the finesse power? Because the recons have comparatively very low base weakspot/crit damage.

[mystic belfry]

The obvious counter argument here is that you can us the aura to enable more aggressive gun use for the entire team