veteran-class

[crude wind]

people just ignoring the thing that makes it work

[serene sage]

i agree. but by "tax" i meant it more for the context of you have to go horizontally on a tall tree so you make no progress toward keystones

[trim steppe]

It's super easy to have 10 stacks on left keystone even when running around. They build so fast on high rof guns.

[kind scarab]

Left keystone is great, as long as you know what you're doing and take the literal single node that makes it effectively on the whole mission. Camo.

[serene sage]

if you go wide you can't go tall kinda thing (which is fair in most situations except the vet tree is ungodly tall)

[gaunt hinge]

i am an overkill king

[willow badger]

I still get clapped tho 😭

[serene sage]

my man

[wanton dawn]

I am going on a hunch and say that middle keystone bring more dmg than left

[crude wind]

they're just easy to build in general. people really overreacted yesterday about how they drop off

[kind scarab]

Esp if you grab a high firerate weapon, since you make it so you technically can't lose stacks by landing headshots every waking moment.

[sinful sedge]

Anyone know how this works if you are just sitting at 10-15~ stacks?

[rich oyster]

yeah on ad clear orinated guns, its super easy

[crisp bronze]

Yeah I have one with max Mobility, slightly better Damage and Finesse but slightly less cleave.

[crude wind]

it's bad

[crimson wyvern]

it do be kinda true power sword feels like a fisher price toy

[crude wind]

toughness regen speed

[sinful sedge]

oh I see, thanks

[grim walrus]

Hm

[solemn niche]

mmh walk me through it, it's possible you have some bad habit that's making you overly clappable

[crude wind]

2 best nodes off that keystone are Camoflage and the rending one

[serene sage]

im so happy we have a forced 10% toughness replen and another 15% replen if you want CDR

[solemn niche]

do you swing your powered sword at their head for maximum stagger ?

[kind scarab]

These are realistically the only two nodes you should use on that capstone

[serene sage]

it helps so much ❤️

[candid bridge]

Got 99 nodes and a build aint one

[crude wind]

LOL SAME DUDE SO HYPE

HAVE YOU SEEN MY TOUGHNESS REGEN VET BUILD?

IT REGENS TOUGHNESS SO FAST BRO

[rich oyster]

hey guys is this a good gun?

[kind scarab]

Dang bro

Hadron gonna love that

[torn gorge]

too much damage

[languid escarp]

Troll post lol

[torn gorge]

better find a sub 10 roll

[crisp bronze]

I once got a Laspistol with 4% damage.

[serene sage]

vet is a support/tag/melee class now so gun damage doesn't matter
therefore excellent gun
/s but also not really

[crisp bronze]

Literal flashlight lol

[solemn jay]

🤔

[rich oyster]

i would buy that 4% for collection purposes

[olive pelican]

@kind scarab jesus this is agripina on drugs, i made like a shit build without looking a look and im doing a lot better already wtf

[solemn niche]

hey guys is this a good gun

[kind scarab]

You're welcome

[limber spoke]

Level it once and see what garbage blessing rolls out. To be fair, auto guns don't really have good blessings but you might as well see what comes out.

[wanton dawn]

Vet is not a support class. It is just supportive

[serene sage]

No, it doesn't say Revolver and doens't go well with melee tree

[olive pelican]

any specific talent that i should take?

[uneven ivy]

this any good for revolver?

[languid escarp]

How many souls did you sell for that

[crimson wyvern]

troll post, come back to me when you get a 380

[trim steppe]

Auto guns are one of the few guns that have really impactful blessings

[quasi glade]

Yeah, this is pretty good.

[serene sage]

take a wild guess

[kind scarab]

Realistically? You can run with literally nothing on your tree and it'll work great. But if you want it to be even dumber that's an option

[serene sage]

Revolver legit got buffed 4 patches in a row

[uneven ivy]

oh ok nice

[quasi glade]

Personally I don't like it much because it doesn't fit my playstyle.

[serene sage]

it's wild

[olive pelican]

i want to go full dumb

[solemn niche]

this was pre patch 13 when plasteel was bugged and upgrades were 80% discounted

whops wrong quote

[kind scarab]

I'll copy down the tree I'm using for you in that case.

[willow badger]

I go up to horde. Usually some guys get behind me. I block most hits. Tox flamer usually wipes out my toughness. I get clapped when stamina runs out and I can't disengage

[trim steppe]

Those were a great couple weeks

[trim steppe]

I filled my characters with orange options

[quasi glade]

activate power sword and swing

[solemn niche]

alright if you get surprise backstabbed by a rager you should use voice of command to get some space, if you get backstabbed by a rager and then clipped by flamer your only option is to fight valiantly until death. make emperor proud

[kind scarab]

Go crazy champ

[quasi glade]

if specials show up, switch to gun and take them out

[sinful sedge]

This is the biggest nerf to my builds 😦 If it was just at 25% still I'd be so much tankier:

[olive pelican]

gonna try it, thanks!

[kind scarab]

Np

[quasi glade]

your team should cover you from normal adds in that case

[crimson wyvern]

It seems like what people want from the tree most of all is consistancy, not "when you do a handstand and thumb yourself in your arse do 10% more damage while jumping on one leg" stuff.

But I udnerstand why its made that way, it just isnt as fun as straight up certainty

[willow badger]

Also more practice I guess. And more situational awareness too

[ebon prism]

no grenade recharging

bad

very bad

[quasi glade]

or just dodge around a bit, taking a couple little potshots from normal enemies isn't that bad as long as you're in full coherency

[trim steppe]

Yeah this one hurt. Gonna take some getting used to

[kind scarab]

I don't need grenades on that build, since everything dies with the gun

[vague lintel]

Pay attention to your positioning as well if your having flamer/rager backstab issues, are you near a spawn door, do you have a path of exit so you can voice to reposition,

[kind scarab]

If you need that many grenades, that's a you problem

I only use them for bulwarks on that build

[ebon prism]

Does it work well with a lasgun? 😍

[quasi glade]

with a good ranged weapon it should take you no time at all to take out most threats

[dark sorrel]

It’s a nice security blanket

[kind scarab]

Actually yes, with my recon 6d

[olive pelican]

why do you take the las weapon talent?

[willow badger]

Yeah my bad about is running around like headless chicken I think

[kind scarab]

For using my Lasgun on this same build

[serene sage]

sometimes no amount of situational awareness would save you from the game spawning a pack right behind you
but this isn't a vet problem, it's every class'

[kind scarab]

[slow spade]

Because shock trooper funny

[willow badger]

Need to be more conservative

[near sable]

new patch has hurt my mkiv las

[kind scarab]

You can switch out the lasgun talent if you don't want it with determined

[ebon prism]

That and it's fun to spam then

[vague lintel]

Yeah thatll hurt cause it doesnt take long to go from fine to dead away from team

[kind scarab]

You should see what the gun does

[limber spoke]

Braced auto guns have six blessings and only one of them is good.

[kind scarab]

It is the security blanket

[ebon prism]

Logging it and making that built

I'll try it

[solemn niche]

its funny this update was supposed to fix the tree instead it turned into a straight downgrade

[dark sorrel]

Which gun

[kind scarab]

Really, any high firerate gun on that build

[ebon prism]

At least it's not the Assail from psykers

[kind scarab]

But esp the Colum

[sinful sedge]

Maybe if Exhilirating Takedown weren't bugged it wouldn't be so bad to grabbed Confirmed Kill + That perk

[near sable]

I have, at most got 9 stacks of focus at its height

[trim steppe]

I honest to the emp like all 6

[quasi glade]

idk, officer feels just as good or better

[serene sage]

normally i would try and see what works
patch 13 when a lot of people were crying I found it tolerable
patch 14 was actually great
this patch hurts, man

[kind scarab]

That's cause you ain't using the right subnode to make the whole capstone work perfectly

[quasi glade]

the nerfs weren't strange, shout was really strong

[trim steppe]

Hit and run is probably the worst and still ok

[serene sage]

shout nerf is probably justified yeah, Confirmed Kills being axed like this isn't though

[serene bough]

My problem with the keystones is they're arguably not better or at least arguably comparable to just spreading points out for multiple flat buffs

[kind scarab]

@dark sorrel Wanna see what the build can do in one of the strike parties? I've been minmaxing builds around the capstones since the update yesterday and have some fun stuff I've been running.

[tall torrent]

They prob nerfed confirmed kill because of keystones

[serene sage]

@serene bough how you doing with the new tree bro. I went from 85%+ wr on Maelstrom to 50% yesterday 💀

[cosmic aurora]

Weapon specialist has felt pretty good for revolver vet and middle tree is big damage

[kind scarab]

Middle tree is the perfect support vet capstone

[quasi glade]

what did they do to confirmed kills, just removed it?

[limber spoke]

Deathspitter is just a better fire frenzy (close range damage has been bugged since update 13), hit and run doesn't work properly, speedload is additive instead of multiplicative, stripped down is hot trash (~2s of ranged immunity on sprint), and terrifying barrage suffers from the same problem all suppression blessings have.

[quasi glade]

i don't remember what the talent tree looks like off the top of my head lol

[solemn niche]

cut in half, from 50% thoughness to 25%

[serene bough]

Im trying to play the same as I was pre patch, the keystones feel too gimmicky to want to make such a heavy point investment

[solemn niche]

10% immediatly 15% over time

[serene bough]

Although I feel like a lot of stealth nerfs occurred to balance out the fact we'd be taking keystones

[quasi glade]

ohhh

[serene bough]

So it feels like a bit of a downgrade

[kind scarab]

That's exactly what happened

[serene sage]

probably, but we aren't

[solemn niche]

these keystones are ass lol

[misty delta]

middle keystone is stupid strong rn and I’m gonna be really sad if they nerf it

[serene sage]

they are so situational

[dark sorrel]

Sure sure

[solemn niche]

nerfing tree to account for keystones is a bad strategy

[quasi glade]

Yeah that sucks, but we have a lot more Toughness DR now I feel like, compared to pre-skill tree update

[cosmic aurora]

The left and middle keystones are pretty lenient in actual game. The middle one builds up stacks fast and left decays over time not instantly

[distant spruce]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[quasi glade]

Though it definitely hurts more for executioner stance builds I guess

[trim steppe]

Stripped down + Duck and Dive talent is hilarious, literally immune to ranged attacks infinitely while you close any distance

[serene bough]

Yeah but what's the advantage of sacrificing so many points to reach them

[sinful sedge]

I think something as basic as this would help a lot:

[serene bough]

Is stacks of range finesse markedly better than just 30% weakspot damage at the top of the tree

[kind scarab]

I've hopped into Strike Party #5, I can show you how each of the capstones are currently actually working and how to abuse them

[misty delta]

having monsters take +32% more damage is kinda a lot when it applies to an entire team. Monster dmg was the reason why zealot stealth got nerfed and I fear that it will happen to this keystone

[kind scarab]

[cosmic aurora]

I mean I can get both

[ebon prism]

about to try your loadout doc

[serene bough]

But going so deep down the tree means you can't get some survivability perks from SL tree

[still flare]

How do you get to 32%? I haven't crunched many numbers with this patch yet

[serene bough]

(At least for me)

[kind scarab]

GL, remember to at least aim even a little bit

[serene bough]

So why not just grab general damage buffs as opposed to highly point expensive situation buffs

[ebon prism]

Wha-what is aiming?

[still flare]

I know the team buff refresh and whatnot, that gets to 12%

[kind scarab]

It's the thing you do when you see an enemy and want them dead

[ebon prism]

Bash them with your weapon?

Until skull goes crack?

[misty delta]

4% per stack, 8 stacks with the modifier. Not sure how it affects overall dmg but it’s enough for me to do good with a mf shotgun

[kind scarab]

That's 12% without the actual tag mechanic

[still flare]

Ah I forgot the tag as well. Tyvm

[kind scarab]

Think of it as a residual buff

[serene bough]

The ping is fine for monstrosities and muties

[kind scarab]

After an enemy is killed

[serene bough]

But outside of that it doesn't last as long

[brisk umbra]

The ping buff refreshes itself

just spam it

[gusty sonnet]

Does minimal pellet count works with marksman stacks?

[cosmic aurora]

I did this last night and it felt pretty good

[brisk umbra]

it'll always be at max cap for damage

and you'll get a ton of toughness

[tall torrent]

You can gain 1-5 stacks before the redirect fire wears off

[celest vine]

This is my current build for infantry las, what can I sacrifice to get two points for the spot keystone?

[serene bough]

Whats the top of the tree

[kind scarab]

Literally my revolver build for oneshotting everything

[trim steppe]

I HATE this node. You literally have to take it, meaning its a fully useless point tax. Give the vet that toughness and give us the point back. The only people who care about it are under lvl 4, so nobody.

[serene bough]

Thats basically what my tree looks like then except I take kraks

Instead of the keystone I grab the toughness DR perk and some grenade related stuff

[still flare]

I think people are discounting how crazy the headshot damage is when marksman stacks are built. And losing the stacks in a fight seems fairly lenient

[serene bough]

If I want to swap out VoC for stealth I don't have enough points to reach keystone

[warm remnant]

Extremely lenient.

[cosmic aurora]

I ran this for the middle tree

Top part same nodes

[warm remnant]

The catch isn't that people are upset that it's a bad keystone, it's that they literally didn't play it and are mad at words.

[kind scarab]

You can also just... do silly techniques to not lose the stacks

[still flare]

Like as long as you're headshotting anything within 3 seconds (which is a long time in fight) you keep it, right?

[warm remnant]

If you go 6 seconds you have a net loss of 0

[kind scarab]

Headshot kills = 3 seconds
Headshots = 1 second

[cosmic aurora]

Middle tree and left tree keystones are super lenient when you actually play

[warm remnant]

you just have a few seconds where you do less damage

3 seconds for maximum value uptime, but 6 for just... Not losing stacks overall

It's extremely generous

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174113941589344356/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.15_-_00.27.37.22.mp4

[serene bough]

The real question is how meaningful is the damage to reaching breakpoints and how much overkill is it doing

[kind scarab]

If you take camo

You can do that

Which makes you lose no stacks at all

[near sable]

left tree reminds me of early brainburst, except imagine if you lost one stack of focus you lost all of em

[serene sage]

there is an opportunity cost to consider

what are you giving up to get keystones

[trim steppe]

peak gameplay, dwarf simulator

[serene sage]

and a lot of people are not convinced it's worth
i personally don't blame them

[warm remnant]

Also, I return with another reason to use Stripped Down:

[cosmic aurora]

For me nothing really, I get all the things I want

[warm remnant]

Something worse than 75% finesse, most likely.

[trim steppe]

I love stripped down

[serene bough]

Is 75% finesse even necessary

[warm remnant]

The correct answer

[serene bough]

Assuming you can keep it up at all times

[warm remnant]

Technically no talent is necessary

But it will make the game FAR easier, yes

[serene bough]

That's nonsense

Plenty of talents are necessary for a competitive edge

Grenade regen and precision strikes come to mind

[trim steppe]

its very easy to keep 10 stacks even running around if you have high rof gun like IAG

and everything melts just spamming at head level

[serene bough]

Im talking about the notion of "no talent being necessary"

[rugged portal]

I am starting to like the Keystones even if I think they make you jump through a bunch of hoops for basic buffs. I just wish they would combine or eliminate some of the other talents. Stuff like the +25% talent feels like it should just be something the vet gets automatically.

There's so much stuff that feels like it should synergize but you don't have enough points to make it all work.

[warm remnant]

It's a bit facetious, yes, but so is "Is it necessary?"

[serene sage]

Haven't tested myself since I spent more time on the right tree yesterday but my friend (1k level vet) tested left yesterday and said that it is quite leninet in term of decay but the damage seems unnecessary due to overkill and doesn't help the toughness problem

[near sable]

yeah that's bupkis

[wooden oar]

Anyone done any build testing for revolver with the new keystones?

[cosmic aurora]

Do you guys really have toughness problems as vet?

[kind scarab]

Several. What's your poison. Oneshotting everything, or having infinite bullets in your gun?

[cosmic aurora]

#1158835044006232215 message

[serene bough]

Not really, the point is how much is 75% finesse actually contributing, is it just reaching breakpoints or is it doing massive overkill

[wooden oar]

oneshotting

[trim steppe]

its much squishier than before, I think its ok but it will take some getting used to

[hollow turtle]

Lol this is something I've been experimenting with. I actually managed to pretty much make my old tree, but without the ogryn damage bonus.

[serene bough]

I personally don't know, I haven't tested enough yet

[kind scarab]

As long as you have two eyes and can land headshots, this'll let ya oneshot everything other than bosses

[serene sage]

I am, just from taking podshots from shooters (yeah yeah just dodge all the ranged attacks, skill issue ik) but vet feels squishier, a lot.

[cosmic aurora]

Maybe it’s cause I play shout but between CK and shouting I don’t really have toughness issues

[trim steppe]

Is Catch a Breathe EVER active for you? 8m is so big, there's always something in my space, I get like 1% uptime

[tall torrent]

What gun with this build

[kind scarab]

Revolver

[hollow turtle]

This the same problem as kill zone.

[cosmic aurora]

I used a headhunter with it and it felt good too

[velvet wraith]

Power sword so broken love it

[undone grove]

casually tapped M1 and 4 shotgunners die at once
plasma gun is a balanced weapon no need to touch

[kind scarab]

Usually no

[serene sage]

It's active quite often, actually for me on Auric. But it's active when I don't need it aka when I'm safe at full Toughness

[misty delta]

I end up taking catch a breather for when all my allies are dead and I need to regen my toughness out of combat (it happens more than I’d like to admit)

[kind scarab]

However, I find that I'm never out of toughness and making use of the other node

[hollow turtle]

We still have pretty broken weaponry despite losing our toughness, AKA we're glass cannons.

[kind scarab]

so I just take that one, for when I need to hide in a corner to breath

[cosmic aurora]

I prefer the left node instead of catch a breath because it triggers on touching flames

[spark arrow]

i feel pretty tanky with shout honestly

[cosmic aurora]

If you get touched by the edge of Bomber or flamer it resets stamina and prevents slowdown

[trim steppe]

it helps when you clip a bomber grenade, you can actually escape

[finite imp]

Dude cleared normandy beach lmao

[warm remnant]

Depends on the weapon, then, doesn't it?

[ebon prism]

ok, your loadout is impressively hilarous

[still flare]

That's pretty funny to watch lmao

[warm remnant]

75% finesse WILL hit breakpoints.

[ebon prism]

had a blast with it

[elder vessel]

I have discovered my favored veteran playstyle
Knife Shotgun VoC

[warm remnant]

Stripped down is beautiful. It is my beloved

[trim steppe]

it helps a ton with rager packs

[edgy condor]

Seriously, if something is actually good, like plasma gun or power sword, start shitting on it constantly, call it dogshit, underpowered, etc. Otherwise fatshark is gonna nerf it cause they don’t understand true balance and the weapons NEED to feel good for your game to feel good and be worth playing. Fatshark only balances around popularity, popular weapons must be too strong and need nerfs! So if you say you like something, that something is really good and effective, they will nerf it

[finite imp]

would this work with CIAG

[serene bough]

Well with my lasguns I can reach 1 - 2 hit breakpoints on non-tanky enemies easily without needing 75% finesse, so I wonder how widespread the utility is for other weapons I havent tried yet

[tall torrent]

Revolver got buffed 4 patches in a row

[trim steppe]

I ran this with CIAG and it was very good

[warm remnant]

It's not going to be good on every weapon. It's finesse, after all.

[serene bough]

This is assuming you'll stay at max stacks, which is definitely not the case

[finite imp]

thank you brother

[kind scarab]

Nah, but there's one that I gave the other guy earlier for AIG's

[warm remnant]

But 75% will hit breakpoints overall

[round jetty]

it feels like every enemy dishes out more damage and stagger recently, even with my toughness at max 1 hit staggers me and i cant swing

[kind scarab]

This one

[serene bough]

Yeah but so will flat damage buffs

[spark arrow]

isnt it hard to hold on to 10 stacks without long range assassin?

[finite imp]

oke i try this one too

[trim steppe]

my biggest complaint in this build is no nade regen but I dont want to give up iron will. still ironing it out

[hollow turtle]

Going to experiment with this tree later. Genuinely don't think I need the extra toughness compensator that is Exhilarating Takedown but I had a point to spare. Honestly, might just throw that to a grenade upgrade.

[warm remnant]

I mean, Crab 2 tapped crushers with a headhunter earlier. Ask him.

[trim steppe]

it is very easy to maintain the stacks, i was at 10 or close most of the time in combat

and that was while running and gunning

[ruby fulcrum]

Takedown makes you take extr damage btw

[serene bough]

Idk, ill have to experiment more with it before I unanimously conclude its not worth investing in keystone

[finite imp]

he's hardcore like that

[bold sierra]

ranged specialist with revolver is really funny

[misty delta]

Do you use grenade tinkerer? Because it used to give stun immunity for some reason

[ruby fulcrum]

Lol

[hollow turtle]

Oh its broken right now? Lol perfect. I'll do it anywayas.

[spark arrow]

cool. figured youd want th 15 stack talent to ensure you get value out of the rending talent

[warm remnant]

Another for the Strip Vet cult

[hollow turtle]

I need my auric Maelstroms to be harder anyways.

[warm remnant]

[ruby fulcrum]

Right now... still. Ya know

[finite imp]

my question is where were those stam refills coming from

[trim steppe]

ideally i would but not enough points so 🤷‍♂️

[hollow turtle]

"errmertoughnessresistance" cope.

[still flare]

Duck and dive prolly

[warm remnant]

Duck and Dive

[trim steppe]

the camo perk keeps things topped off usually

[finite imp]

...duck oh the ability

[round jetty]

probably, but it forces me to dodge every second as if i get hit once im essentially dead 👎

[snow swallow]

Not that the rolls are awesome, but 380 weapons actually exist in Armory 😮

[round jetty]

disrupts every thing

[finite imp]

of course they do

[ebon prism]

"Of course it's ME who get the stuff of his corpse."

[misty delta]

I feel that 🤝

[warm remnant]

warning, it will get you killed

especially while oyu learn

Have fun

[hollow turtle]

This is how I got a few 380 weapons. Just check every hour.

[spark arrow]

i think your locked out of it anyway if you take the focus point regen talent

[still flare]

Wait I may become a believer. Did you tank the sniper shots in that clip or dodge them? Either way this looks hella fun

[round jetty]

makes the game pretty unfun
gonna wait and see if they ever do something about that

[trim steppe]

oh, yes, youre correct

[devout atlas]

Anyone wanna join our 2/4 Auric Damnation striketeam?

[finite imp]

crits with las guns? i thought this was an IAG build

[near sable]

[kind scarab]

Switch it for the node on the right of it. I use this same build for all fast firerate weapons I have, but can't be fucked to get the supression node on the different ones

[near sable]

I have a 380 agrip with a T3 deathspitter blessing holding it back from 550

[finite imp]

i figured that was the answer

[ebon prism]

he dodged it

[misty delta]

prolly not. Every other class has to cope about getting stunned by one hit too unless they take their respective stun immunity talent. Vet has one too, it’s just that it only procs when ALL your toughness is broken AND has a 30s cooldown 🙃

[still flare]

That's what it looked like, ty

[warm remnant]

autododge

[hollow turtle]

Lol that video, as much as I get the stripped down/duck and dive build, just made me think "Look at all these stormtroopers!"

[finite imp]

Has the meta blessings for CIAG changed?

[round jetty]

well darktide was pretty fun, thats too bad

[grim walrus]

If someone doesn´t like the stun, simply get the Talent.
Either way, with or without I am having fun.

I won´t let the Slaughter be ruined by a stun.

[ebon prism]

how does it rate?

[finite imp]

what blessings u use for CIAG

[crimson wyvern]

really good but id want more stability personally

[true echo]

fine

[misty delta]

oh yeah for sure. 30s is good enough for me since I hardly take melee dmg in this game ignore the fact that I never take that node

[finite imp]

We have like the exact same rifle lmao

[trim steppe]

rolled this one last night

[ebon prism]

... Bolter what?

[shrewd sierra]

I like Bolters

[ebon prism]

... You can rename a weapon?

[shrewd sierra]

With mods, yes.

[misty delta]

with a mod yeah

[trim steppe]

mods

[ebon prism]

ah

[misty delta]

first ha

[forest blaze]

Mod posting 💩

[finite imp]

bolter BITCH

[carmine horizon]

so good.

I love those blessings

I have one almost identical to it and it feels very fun to use just spraying through levels

[grim walrus]

Man losing Toughness really fast on my end... not because I am in the scrap among Zealots. But is nice to have much more HP.
Oh and I wouldn´t mind the ping. Else I might not notice as well as considering the chance I might not even see your response due to the amount of people here drowning it.

[dapper delta]

Which one should I earn?

[ebon prism]

@kind scarab your loadout is such a blast, even with the lasgun 12

krieg worthy

[grim walrus]

I suggest first the Critical Weak Spot one.

[restive ivy]

For krieg

[misty turtle]

what the heck is "ranged finesse power"?

[grim walrus]

All I need is onslaught.

[wanton dawn]

weakspot and crit damage multiplier

[grim walrus]

I´ll give this one a try.

[trim steppe]

very good is what it is, makes weakspot hits do way more damage

[grim walrus]

I´ve been doing one. Feels better for me.

The Keystones, other then Weapon Specialist, are not for me.

[hollow turtle]

I decided to do the same. I just haven't had the time to use it yet.

[tiny summit]

It was working before the keystones, it'll stay working

[trim steppe]

I do not care for the mark spam keystone. Left one is strong though

[tulip condor]

Yo, any good builds for AGRI IAG?

[broken palm]

Just played my first match with the left keystones, they seem like they can be strong but playing with randoms it's kinda tedious

[hollow turtle]

If you're a ranged crit build, that marksman focus one is nice. Can practically increase your criticals around 33%

[grim walrus]

I enjoy it as well, do not get me wrong on that front.
It is simply not my play-style, since I can not stand still. I quickly move around switching between range and melee.

[umbral scaffold]

any builds for vraks 7 headhunter?

[visual turret]

If you have max charges of FT and tag something, then tag it immediately after, does it overwrite the max tag? or does the first tag run through first

[tulip condor]

seems to be the current problem with vet

[umbral scaffold]

what is your main source of critting?

[tulip condor]

I would think so cuz you are switching targets

[hollow turtle]

Soon enough, the game's veteran community will be the most proficient at dodges and positioning.

[visual turret]

Fixed the tree

[hollow turtle]

Lol that would honestly work.

[grim walrus]

Luck.

[umbral scaffold]

god speed

[grim walrus]

Well I only have these currently.

[umbral scaffold]

man

how big of a difference is surgical 3 and 4

stack per 0.25 to 0.2

[tulip condor]

Honestly, hate vets who will use their range weapon for EVERY situation even when melee would be the better choice . BUT, playing range vet is pretty if bad you have to rely more on melee in every situation

[solemn niche]

t4 is 0.3 t3 is 0.35

[umbral scaffold]

on the headhunter

[solemn niche]

on revolver is 0.3 and 0.35

[umbral scaffold]

its 0.2 on the headhunter guns

at tier 4

[cyan anchor]

is the lasgun MG 1a good?

[tulip condor]

Also, what TYPES of gun would be better for it to be more viable? maybe if they made it of WALKING instead of CROUCH+WALKING, it could actually work in high lvl

[umbral scaffold]

I'm so used to helping my team mates flanks, but i never get the same treatment in return

[tulip condor]

Ya, but thats part of the problem I'm worried about

[viral nacelle]

Revolver vet with mid tree (+ a sidestep to get the ammo aura) working pretty good

I ree errytime

Remembering to tag ALL the thing for big domage is hard

[tulip condor]

It's a co-op game but if they change it to where you HAVE to rely on your mates cuz you really can't last on your own, it will take away from the individual players skills. Will only be whats META or w/e

[umbral scaffold]

100%

[solemn niche]

evil advice: rebind tag to left click

[pulsar shore]

Make Tag on LMB

[solemn niche]

[forest blaze]

Luckily I already tag everything. Middle mouse button

[viral nacelle]

Lmao

entire vet discord when they see someone talkin bout taggin 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♀️

[bright charm]

it feels better on shift imo, try it its very good

[forest blaze]

I use plas, so I rarely use secondary fire. Mark and shootem

[umbral scaffold]

i used to have it on shift on vermintide 2

[viral nacelle]

I like plas but I can’t 180 noscope a sniper from across a massive zone with plas

Revolver gets it done

Plus, like, space cowboy

[hollow turtle]

I saw some guy do this yesterday. The guy was carrying himself well in terms of skill, but I just thought, "... this must be some real crappy stack management that it barely does anything."

[viral nacelle]

If they ever add a cowboy outfit for vet I will legit buy it

[forest blaze]

If it gets tagged it dies. Doesn’t matter how far. My plasma sun is unreal.

[pulsar shore]

nice idea, I will, ty!

[viral nacelle]

But it has to be the fistful of dollars one

[forest blaze]

360 no scope across Tertium. Compensate for the curvature of heresy

[bleak bolt]

goes thru walls too (unless they fixed that)

[hollow turtle]

That's on the psyker.

[viral nacelle]

🤢 they aren’t even cowboy

[forest blaze]

It somewhat does. It’ll go through soft cover and any amount of bodies.

[bleak bolt]

ah okay - i thought i saw a vid where it was going through room walls lmao

msut've fixed it

[umbral scaffold]

psyker got the robot pirate island drip

[bleak bolt]

floors too

its like plasma gun had the magic bullet hack

[umbral scaffold]

but a space cowboy veteran would be peak

the high noon mod makes the revolver peak

[ancient path]

how we feeling about the new keystones

[hollow turtle]

Lol

[viral nacelle]

God damn it im not buying shit with a mask over the face

[ivory rock]

At work but gonna try to come watch this on my break in a few hours

[viral nacelle]

Why do they keep doing this

“Here’s a cool outfit but you have to have a random cloth covering your face like an idiot”

[bleak bolt]

space covid

[hollow turtle]

[viral nacelle]

Reeeee

Press F to ree about emperor

Heretics BTFO when the vet reee

[delicate moat]

silent maulers/crushers are just fantastic

[umbral scaffold]

adds to the cowboy train robber fit

[ancient path]

right side keystones make me really want to run shotgun with it having a passive reload in it

[hollow turtle]

Tbf, in the 40k universe, rogue traders are the closest things you'll see to cowboys. and the psykers outfits are very much like rogue traders.

[viral nacelle]

Then it should look like a bandana and be lower on the face, not like a random napkin some asshole found and glued to your face

[bleak bolt]

cowboy mask automatically adds "Dastardly" attribute

[umbral scaffold]

low honor type fit

[viral nacelle]

Stealth shotty, seems legit

[faint blade]

The Mark could work so fucking well but it just an hassle to use it

[viral nacelle]

Gotta love games that give you shotgun suppressors

[hollow turtle]

You mean like

[ancient path]

ya i ran stealth shotty prior and the new stuff seems pretty great for shotguns

[ebon prism]

next step: rocket launcher suppressor

[ancient path]

giving it passive reload and big buffs on quick swap is pretty huge

[trim steppe]

Unless I wanna rebind mark so I can spam it 24/7 it feels super clunky

[viral nacelle]

Girl need to eat

Those pants not gonna fill themselves

[hollow turtle]

Lol. This ain't no space Texas.

Them girls are dummi thicc

[viral nacelle]

Ladies of Texas Walmart

Easily confused with ogryn

[hollow turtle]

[faint blade]

Exacly, if you are in a chill ranged combats thats fine but while you get surrounded b a horde you simply don't have the time to do so

[viral nacelle]

I MMB it

I just forget

[chilly cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame-frollo-animated-gif-19403567

[hollow turtle]

Lore accurate.

[chilly cobalt]

TIS ERE A WITCH IN LORDS HOLY VETERAN CHAT

SOUND THE ALARM KIN

[hollow turtle]

^Spotted the zealot in vet chat

[royal monolith]

so how is new bleed plasma doing

[trim steppe]

My mark is mmb too so if I use it to mark I have to take my finger off the shoot button for a sec

[chilly cobalt]

REQUEST REINFORCEMENTS FROM ZEALOTS CHAT

[atomic zephyr]

nah nah the psykers are ok

leave em be

[trim steppe]

Fine for picking things out at range but with 8 ragers in front of me only the first kill is getting marked

[hollow turtle]

Psyker shield wall. Vet's best friend.

[atomic zephyr]

^^^^

[hollow turtle]

Along with the Ogryn being the wholesome "Protec lil un"

What do you zealots bring to the table for vets.

NOTHING.

[solemn niche]

directly in front of you when you ult

[royal monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759468968397504512/1174423646035525672/Edging_Their_Perils.mp4?ex=65678a40&is=65551540&hm=72c10d791b622beebfee7046a57713d230526c82993159d61cf4c007d174dc39&

[trim steppe]

Zealots could clear horde chaff away from jostling us so we can actually take out ranged elites, but they never do

[tawny badger]

ogryns on their way to park their ass right in front of vets that go into executioner's stance
https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[faint blade]

Every Player should make a fucking license if the are Ogryn-Certified so they don't stand infront of the Veteran 24/7

[hollow turtle]

I'll be fair. I do notice there are some Ogryns who are aware of the veteran in the team and often does this weird diagonal dodging on the side to ensure he's not blocking us. I just never see anyone thank those that do.

[trim steppe]

LOL every time. I legit don't use certain builds if an Ogryn is in the match because my block 40% of my bullets

[chilly cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-silly-warhammer40000-space-marine-purge-intensifies-gif-7691332

[hollow turtle]

As a rangegryn, I stand behind everyone. Makes it easier.

[trim steppe]

One of the reasons I love plasma gun is that I can shoot right through my Ogryn allies, they have no power over me anymore

[hollow turtle]

They're my expendable meat shields forward guard.

[forest blaze]

Kickback shotty does and it’s pretty silly

[tight orbit]

lasguns wise, am i better off with Dumdum or Deathspitter?

[surreal mountain]

Literal heavy guardsman

[tight orbit]

do both stack?

[mystic belfry]

It’s better on either a side mouse button or alt

[south prairie]

So thats what everyone was talking about when they said kickbavk was too good

[trim steppe]

My side mouse is weapon special, I might try using alt

[fluid steppe]

question about plasma gun, for "partial charge" is there a difference between 1% and 99% charged

[mystic belfry]

Do you only have one side mouse button? I’ve never seen one with any that has less than two tbh

[hollow turtle]

I have two side mouse keys.
One is for weapon special,
the other is for toggling my full auto mod. Like an actual toggle on a gun.

[fluid steppe]

apple mouse user probably

[trim steppe]

They changed it so that every enemy hit gets counted as getting hit with minimum 8 pellets (iirc) so shooting into a horde means you shoot like 60,000 pellets per shot

[mystic belfry]

Icky

[hollow turtle]

An Apple User? Playing Darktide?

What kind of tech heresy...

[surreal mountain]

I use my sides for weapon special and swapping weapons because I can't stand using the scroll wheel for it lol

[mystic belfry]

Isnt the min actually like 16

[faint blade]

Ewww

[trim steppe]

I have 2 but my hand doesn't like to use the more forward button

[south prairie]

Yea i am aware of its horde melting capability, just didnt understand the outrageous math behind it and thought big ass shotgun with shell the size of a mans head, makes sense for it to delete horde

[surreal mountain]

I swap to my controller to use brakes in Warthunder >:)

[hollow turtle]

I don't use weapon scroll. That thing just pisses me off when I over scroll.

[frozen meadow]

what does dealing suppression do?

[south prairie]

All i know is theres a blessing that ups crit chance the higher heat you have

[mystic belfry]

I don’t usually use mouse wheel in games

[surreal mountain]

Enemy can't shoot back as accurately

[mystic belfry]

Make enemies shoot worse when you shoot at them

[surreal mountain]

They're like "ahh I'm getting shot at"

[hollow turtle]

Makes enemies duck and run for cover instead of shoot back.

[umbral scaffold]

makes them spooked and mayb reposition

[frozen meadow]

ty

[mystic belfry]

You know when you get shot at and shake like a crack addict?

That’s suppression

[fluid steppe]

not heat, i mean like when u right click charge, is there a difference between 1% bar and 99% bar lol. i know no charge it consume 3 ammo, full charge consume 9, partial charge consume 7. tho i am not sure how "partial" u need to be

[trim steppe]

Realistically you can either shoot an uncharged, partial, or full charge. Just the 3, that's it. As charge increases it does more damage but uses more ammo and gens more heat

Partial charge is achieved by spamming left click while charging

[south prairie]

Huh, ive never really done partial charge, just either spam unvharged or go the whole hog

[trim steppe]

Partial charge seems to be around 75% charge every time

[celest vine]

I had a veteran with the marksman keystone sit up high and pretend to be a sniper

[umbral scaffold]

man

[celest vine]

I said pretend cause it was the battery section of that really fast satellite dish mission

[umbral scaffold]

mid ass node

[wanton dawn]

Man I wish I had a game where ppl had a clue

[celest vine]

He wasnt helping at all

And he died to a sniper

[surreal mountain]

At least he felt cool

[umbral scaffold]

^

[celest vine]

It was only heresy

It was just for fun at that difficulty

[surreal mountain]

MLGxSNXPXRx420

[plain coral]

Does it make more sense to dump Unyielding or Flak here? I haven’t seen any particular Flak breakpoints with the Mk. 3

[bold ibex]

...I was thinking what would make focus fire veteran feel better. Why didn't they just make it like volley fire? 5 seconds regardless of what you do. Timer refreshes on stack gain. That wouldn't have felt bad.

[bleak bolt]

which is the best shottie rn

gonna make a stealth build

[surreal mountain]

They used all their good idea juice on the other classes

We need DE Pablo to rescue us

[bold ibex]

Maybe unyielding. Since it doesn't work on Crushers. Flak is just generally great to have. But before you change anything I'd just try it more and see if you need it.

[near sable]

pablo, saviour of hydroid

[bold ibex]

With flak I'd also consider the uncharged damage. Since with wrath and the Mk3, I usually use it as a lawnmower. Get supercleave on the three charged swings then uncharged normal swings for mobbing.

+25% flak makes ab ig difference there

[surreal mountain]

Remember old Vauban? 😂

[bold ibex]

guys i think i might need an intervention. I'm unironically building up a second Chaxe to use.

Have headtaker 4 learned arleady. Gonna hulk smash.

[near sable]

[ruby fulcrum]

For the braced autos what does bracing actually do? Graia increases fire rate, agripinna gets... less accurate? Columnus I can't tell much of a difference, granted I only tested that one once

[bold ibex]

when you say braced, do you mean aiming down sights? Or do they have another ability that I've never bothered to use?

[mystic belfry]

It makes you squint your eyes a focus a bit harder

[ruby fulcrum]

When you right click with a braced auto you uh... brace the gun

[elder vessel]

you put the stock a bit to shoulder and Rambo fire full auto

[ruby fulcrum]

You don't aim down sights on those

[elder vessel]

You brace

You don't aim, you point in general direction

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah. I can't tell what agrip or columnus bracing actually does though

[bold ibex]

ahh okay. thanks for explaining

i guess i've never used one

[stone birch]

I dont know either. the few braced autoguns I used seems to have a tighter spread while ADS'd, but that could just be placebo effect

[hollow ibex]

Does full bore work on slugs?

[near sable]

yes..

[hollow ibex]

Nice

[bold ibex]

where is the 50% toughness damage mitigation talent at now? I'm dying all thet ime and i think it's cause that no longer fits in my builds. D:

[stone birch]

deep into the command/center tree

[bold ibex]

ffff

I dont think I can make that work with aweapon swap mele build

[grim dawn]

what are the best melee weapon ?

for vet

[stone birch]

Power Sword.

[bold ibex]

power sword with cycler. aatax is still very solid. Chainsword is not bad.

Chain Axe is for chads

[viscid marlin]

Not sure why all 3 other classes get their keystones at 16, 17, and 18 down their trees and ours is fucking 20 and 21.

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah columnus brauto might have more accuracy? Graia loses accuracy but gains a ton of fire rate. Agrippina just seems to lose accuracy and gain horizontal recoil so I dunno there

[surreal mountain]

Because we're just better at the game if we're using Vet obviously

[bold ibex]

fat shark either realizes they're so much better than any other classes keystone... or they were too lazy to properly consolidate the trees

fatshark being fucking lazy is a good reason for most of our problems

[viscid marlin]

Well clearly it was neither of those

[gusty sonnet]

it makes the spread overall "tighter" but you end up with an horizontal ellipse. It's better to go hipfire vs HVTs

[viscid marlin]

but yes they are lazy

we need 2-3 travel nodes removed then it would be fine, even with the bugs we could make it work

[surreal mountain]

Can you draw that for me

[narrow dock]

Lil help here peeps?

[ruby fulcrum]

So weird. It only feels useful on the graia

[stone birch]

as much as I like the overall vibe of the changes, I absolutely agree that the skill tree needs condensed.

[surreal mountain]

Biggest tip I can give, change your pfp

[forest blaze]

Yes. It deals damage in waves. Having high charge doesn’t mean high damage. Someone had the chart somewhere.

[narrow dock]

big tip from me to u my friend
grow the fuck up

[surreal mountain]

Thank you

[wraith locust]

I think rampage to BM and block efficiency to +25 of your choice

[viscid marlin]

plasma gun chart is literally the first pin

[dusty ferry]

Impact depression

[viscid marlin]

you can change that

the perks are fine

[dusty ferry]

I know, I have nothing suitable to change the blessings yet

[viscid marlin]

just swap the two blessings and you are good

oh

rip

i finally got my two tier 4's from melk last week

about damn time

[narrow dock]

BM?
What with Headhunter? 🤔

[dusty ferry]

Ihave hammerblow

that is about it..

[viscid marlin]

oof

well, start rolling those blues

mathematically you have to get something better then that

[dusty ferry]

Yeah

too bad I am poor rn

[tall torrent]

Swap rampage to brutal momentum on the power sword

[narrow dock]

Brutal Momentum
cool, gotta look for this one

[sullen scarab]

Anyone have a decent weapon specialist build for the plasma gun?

trying to make one but I'm always just a point or two short of something I want lol

[untold mulch]

Least schizo build for my laspistol

In terms of archetype

I am all of them

and none

[tall torrent]

I personally find tag keystone better for plasma gun

[nimble sentinel]

anyone fuck around with focus target? is it worth grabbing all the bonuses over just the keystone alone?

[sullen scarab]

Yeah that's what I've been going with since I can actually pick up the perks and traits I want on it lol

[tall torrent]

Idk why you’d need onslaught for Laspistol

[untold mulch]

🤔

[distant spruce]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[grizzled pebble]

3 vets and a zealot nurgle blessed monsters maelstrom. Vets krak grenades still op

[untold mulch]

It helps

but hmm

[slow spade]

Because I have the points to spare c:

[kind scarab]

Whatchu mean spare points

[tall torrent]

I find anything shooting below 600rpm not worth onslaught

[kind scarab]

Hand'em over

[untold mulch]

🤔

[slow spade]

Nurgle blessed my Vet

[viscid marlin]

it makes a huge difference on las pistol

[slow spade]

Get your own blessings

[viscid marlin]

but only on armor usually

[kind scarab]

Dammit

[viscid marlin]

doc, go slap someone at fatshark for us

[kind scarab]

None of the chaos gods wanted to give me extra points

[tall torrent]

Laspistol benefits from deadshot crit build way more

[kind scarab]

Last time I did that, it ended badly

[slow spade]

Go worship Malal

[kind scarab]

They cried

[tall torrent]

And I think using tag keystone to refill your stamina on kills is pretty good for it

[viscid marlin]

why are our nodes 20 and 21 down when the other classes get keystone nodes at 16-18, slap them again anyways

[slow spade]

Real Vet mains sacrifice all their toughness talents for damage

[viscid marlin]

I use deadshot, and i have onslaught on with it. it does fucktons of damage

[kind scarab]

Man, why does our tree have 20 more nodes than everyone else on average

[slow spade]

Ikr, Vet has way too many talents to spend

Like bruh

[kind scarab]

Don't worry guys

[viscid marlin]

Like even if you beeline the keystones themselves, you still have to go 20 and 21 in, where as in a zealot or psyker you just have to go 16-18 in

[kind scarab]

I'll have fatshark nerf vets next patch

Vet max level going to be 20

[untold mulch]

We had too many point ngl

[slow spade]

Someone at Fatshark had a Vet steal a med charge from them

And they never forgot

[kind scarab]

It was me, cause they kept taking the ammo

So I took all the heals and left them to die

[viscid marlin]

vet was the not shit class at launch and fatshark clearly took that personally

[kind scarab]

^

[slow spade]

"Take all the ammo and meds will you?" this update reduces medkit and ammo box spawns by one

[kind scarab]

You mean the 1 that spawned anyway

[viscid marlin]

"Vets are now unable to pick up ammo and meds so that they provide more to the team"

[hollow turtle]

The difference between our trees and the other class' trees is that we don't get completely locked out of certain passives by following one side of a tree like the other classes do.

[slow spade]

Just for that, -2 to medkit and ammo box spawns UwU

[viscid marlin]

You mean going way the hell down into nomans land so you dont have points for anything else? Because that is exactly what happens.

[slow spade]

My brother wants psykinetic aura so much 😔

[kind scarab]

Except we do, if you want to reach any of the nodes that give power to the class, you gotta sacrifice going and picking up those side nodes now

It's the illusion of choice

[hollow turtle]

That's their way of compensating for it. I'm not defending them at all. We just have a niche that's unique to our tree.

[viscid marlin]

I'm not sure its a niche if its just bad design

[slow spade]

"What's your role" "buffing people" "oh god"

[hollow turtle]

Its inconsistent. That's bad design in itself.

[viscid marlin]

fair

[kind scarab]

Psyker be like

[bold ibex]

that sounds good until you consider taht we can't really go down other sides of the tree well because we don't have points

[kind scarab]

Pick whatever you want on the tree, I won't judge

Look at how interconnect their "Tree" is

It's more of a web

[viscid marlin]

for real

[kind scarab]

You can go anywhere

[viscid marlin]

that is a great tree

[kind scarab]

Exactly

Cause it ain't a fucking tree

[viscid marlin]

meanwhile our tree looks like the fucking tree of ygdrasil

[kind scarab]

It's a web of choices

[slow spade]

Except pick up Psykinetic Aura without a shit blitz 😔

[kind scarab]

^

[viscid marlin]

so they have one downside..

[kind scarab]

That's an opportunity cost sadly

[viscid marlin]

its not the same comparison really

[serene bough]

webs are better than trees is all im understanding here

[kind scarab]

Cause Psy aura is really good

[brisk umbra]

Psyker is by far the best tree, you can pick and choose whatever you like

[kind scarab]

100%

In all situations

[viscid marlin]

^

[hollow turtle]

Can't really go anywhere. Once you pick a blitz or an aura, you cannot pick any of the passives directly under the others.

[slow spade]

"You can get Tactical Awareness but you need smoke grenades >:)"

[serene bough]

smokes aren't that awful of a choice now actually

considering the large amount of gunners

[viscid marlin]

you say that but

they bug the fuck out constantly for me

[brisk umbra]

every blitz/aura of psyker gets 50% of the passives

[hollow turtle]

At the cost of points, we're able to go to the opposite end of our tree. That's the inconsistency.

[viscid marlin]

smokes for me are entirely useless, i just get shot through them anyways

[serene bough]

depends on the enemy

[viscid marlin]

they either dont work at all, or they work on my teammates

[mystic belfry]

Not useless, just niche

[hollow turtle]

Mostly the teammates.

[brisk umbra]

Gunners keep firing where you were inside the smoke, you just need to move an inch

[viscid marlin]

no, useless. i think its just bugged

[mystic belfry]

They break line of sight for shooters and gunners

[serene bough]

common shooters find cover, gunners fire where they last saw you, shotgunners run in

[hollow turtle]

I also tested the smoke grenade on DH. It does actually reduce their detection radius of you if you throw it near them. But are you mad enough to actually try it?

[viscid marlin]

see thats what i keep getting told. except even when i am not shooting and just using smoke to move around, they are still tracking and shooting me the entire time.

[serene bough]

and considering there's like 50 guard patrolls spawning in at times its not entire useless

[serene bough]

never experienced this

[viscid marlin]

It happens every single time i use smokes

even in the meat grinder

they just literally dont work in my testing

[slow spade]

Shredders have synergy with ogryns and zealots

Krak is krakked

But smoke feels too passive for me

[serene bough]

i always prefer krak

smokes i only take in the odd occasion i want to diversify my role

[viscid marlin]

I like the bleed for team revives or stunning crusher packs

[slow spade]

At least telekine shield has visual confirmation how much value you're getting

[hollow turtle]

"I got the Krak"

[kind scarab]

Crouch walking near a DH also reduces your detection radius

[slow spade]

I didn't know that

Thought it was a myth

[serene bough]

avoid DH detection and build marksman focus stacks?

[hollow turtle]

I didn't know that either. I just usually infil passed during that one unpassable DH.

[kind scarab]

I've crab walked really close to a DH

[serene bough]

crab walking really is the new meta

[bold ibex]

with the bleed on special attack, it now onetaps maulers.

even without +25% flak

[kind scarab]

Nah, if you want to build stacks while still moving around, I'll show you the real meta

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174113941589344356/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.15_-_00.27.37.22.mp4

You're welcome

Dwarf gaming

[hollow turtle]

Ratling gameplay*

[brisk umbra]

Where are you throwing the nades? Because atm they work like a psyker bubble mostly, if they are between you and the targett they tend to do nothing

The way to use smokes is to throw them at your feet and sttand inside them

[narrow dock]

tbf with that perk on u getting those stacks like twice faster, i don't rly see a reason to hold on to them SOOO much xd

[viscid marlin]

I usually am inside the smoke, still getting tracked and shot even if im not shooting and trying to revive or something.

[hollow turtle]

Specials/Elite ranged still see you I believe.

[brisk umbra]

no they don't, only snipers

[hollow turtle]

I mean, how else does a sniper see you in vent purge.

[narrow dock]

noticed it the bad way, got sniped trough smoke twice xd

[hollow turtle]

Ah, so I've heard wrong.

[kind scarab]

Actually, after carefully testing. Crouch walking doesn't actually help.

[brisk umbra]

(i still call bullshit that snipers see you)

[viscid marlin]

Seems to me like everything still sees me, so i dunno.

[narrow dock]

funniest part is, can't rly do a return fire cuz u can't see shit xdxxdd

[viscid marlin]

yup ^

[brisk umbra]

Are you sure that enemies are simply not tracking enemies outside the smoke behind you so they shoot you as an error?

[narrow dock]

nah, smokes are neat, gotta throw 'em under ur feet

[hollow turtle]

Only reason smoke complements exe stance.

[viscid marlin]

i think smokes hurt the team more then it helps

[zealous prawn]

idk i never charge it.

[feral stratus]

How does this look

[brisk umbra]

It's been a while since i have used them, so really i don't know if it's a bug with this patch

[narrow dock]

dogs don't jump in smoke

[viscid marlin]

Well when i do it in the meatgrinder i am the only person there so..

[narrow dock]

mutant seems to lose targeting too

[feral stratus]

Supercharge is not what am looking for i suppose

[kind scarab]

Smoking a demonhost doesn't help either

Just tested it

[pliant prawn]

am i bad at math or is ranged weapon specialist granting us +333% critical strike chance?

[narrow dock]

rest of shooting mops just shoot in your direction, but not AT YOU

they still shoot tho

[south garnet]

"tested"

[kind scarab]

It doesn't work that way

[narrow dock]

i rly liked smokes, they savin ur arse a lot

[kind scarab]

It's saltzpyres blessed bullet passive.

[hollow turtle]

Just reduces their trigger detection radius. I wouldn't want to risk it in real match

[viscid marlin]

Its bugged code ripped off of saltzpyre

[kind scarab]

1 kill = 1 ranged crit bullet

[slow spade]

I wish smokes did more for melee imo

[viscid marlin]

max^

[kind scarab]

All other stacks give you stuff for the subnodes, or increased ranged attack speed

[pliant prawn]

blessed bullet was free crit every so and so seconds

[slow spade]

Too many ragers in my experience

[forest blaze]

Needs PC4

[kind scarab]

Yes, but with the talent on the tree that gives you the blessed effect for a melee kill

[viscid marlin]

If they made smokes work like an actual occlusion line of sight block that would be one thing but they are either buggy for me or don't work when i need them to so until that gets fixed ill stick to the other two.

[slow spade]

I personally how easy it is to tell the feedback from the other nades

[forest blaze]

Enemies still shoot at where they saw you last

[slow spade]

You can immediately tell the impact from shredders and kraks

[kind scarab]

Our capstone is literally this

[viscid marlin]

yup

[kind scarab]

Except our stacks go up to 10 and 1 respectively

[forest blaze]

So if you drop smokes in a firefight and don’t leave, dudes still shoot into the smoke just blind firing

[worthy escarp]

Tips for this penance?

[gusty sonnet]

So that's why we have a garanteed crit on first shot

[slow spade]

Vet is is related to Saltzpyre

[hollow turtle]

I want to go back to VT2 just to see the new Sienna class, but I got too used to dodging in DarkTide.

[slow spade]

Just look at how many talents we share

[hollow turtle]

and Shade kerillian

[slow spade]

L-l-lewd~!

[narrow dock]

NGL i reel like they missed a comma there, it gotta be like 3.3% per stack xd

Or it can be 333% CC, but for your base u have with weapon, so like if u have 15ish CC on gun, with this thing up u get it to 65 ish %

[shell ginkgo]

Train map at the end. Yeet grenades and don't let them hit the ground

[worthy escarp]

Yeet high or actually aim?

[shell ginkgo]

Yeet high

[worthy escarp]

Also pray for a horde? And any recommended Difficulty?

[slow spade]

Iirc yeeting lowers fuse time

[shell ginkgo]

Airbust the fuckers

[slow spade]

I mean do Damnation for plasteel

[worthy escarp]

Does it have to be the normal frag or does the shredder frag count?

[narrow dock]

25 meters to targets
they gotta have heads in line with ur buffs and stuff

[slow spade]

But heresy if you want lower hp

[kind scarab]

Yeap. All of our capstones are literally reused code from vermintide.

[hollow turtle]

You can do it with a shredder. frag

[kind scarab]

And siennas "new class" is literally just Psyker code

[finite imp]

I aimed with the bottom of my screen. That's how high I yeeted

[shell ginkgo]

You'd hope shredder works

[slow spade]

Vermintide walked so Darktide could limp 💪💪💪

[shell ginkgo]

But FS is known for quality

[kind scarab]

10000000000%

[shell ginkgo]

Like the ammo penance

[kind scarab]

Look

[hollow turtle]

I'm looking.

[kind scarab]

As someone who works in game dev. I completely respect the hustle of finding ways to reuse code.

[narrow dock]

tho actually it depends of ur FOV, sooo go in meat grinder, walk 25 meners away from mob, and throw nades to get that angle u gotta throw it at
oh and throw with tap, w/o hold

[kind scarab]

But this is just shameful

[iron marten]

true, like how they still haven't fixed exhilirating takedown

[kind scarab]

They didn't even change it enough

Let alone make it work as the description states

[worthy escarp]

Thank you for the help, also between these two which is better? The 65% damage on the other one kinda makes me iffy and want to re-roll

[south garnet]

What's weird to me about the reused code isn't that they copy-pasted it - what's weird to me is that FS appears incapable of reading & understanding their own code and how it actually functions in gameplay, so they plug stuff in and then give a COMPLETELY incorrect description of its effects, then "fix" it later going "oh that's not how it was intended to work"

Like what do you mean? It was ALREADY working, YOU just don't know how your own games function

[umbral scaffold]

did it make you take more dmg on patch 13/14? or is this just a patch 15 bug?

[worthy escarp]

Patch 15 bug

[viscid marlin]

@kind scarab So doc.. I found a way to use deadshot on a helbore without the need for duck and dive and still keep stamina up.

[ruby hull]

After spending about 800 hours playing psyker, I've finally started playing vet now that you peeps have a capstone that incentives more than just standing there and shooting things

[kind scarab]

What are you talking about exactly?

[kind scarab]

Midcapstone + Marking enemies.

[ruby hull]

Right side tree is extremely fun

[umbral scaffold]

the takedown talent?

[kind scarab]

Should work with any weapons really

[viscid marlin]

Stil spoiling my fun!

But yes

[kind scarab]

Sorry, I already minmaxed all the builds possible

[viscid marlin]

though it doesnt work very well on higher fire rate things

[kind scarab]

[viscid marlin]

the helbore seems to be the only one that really keeps stam up

[pliant prawn]

I did it, guys! I made it to the bottom of my tree! And I have a whole 5 points left to play with

[kind scarab]

My whole shtick is breaking games. So it's natural I spoiled yer fun. 😛

[narrow dock]

i mean, if u reuse old code... which is years old, u can first of all, lose ppl who wrote it, and even if u didn't they forgot what it is and how it works lol

those peeps (re)write hundreds of lines daily

[viscid marlin]

what black magic sorcery is this

[forest blaze]

That’s not really how programming works tho. Different systems.

[forest blaze]

Totally

[pliant prawn]

barely matters because 5 points is jack shit

the things i want are spread out all over the tree

[viscid marlin]

yeah..

[ruby hull]

Real Shame vet tree isn't interconnected like psyker tree

[kind scarab]

I really wouldn't call it different systems. V2 and Darktide effectively are as similar to each other as Sekiro and Elden ring are to each other.

With enough modding support. We can have saltzpyres whole ass in this game.

[viscid marlin]

Yeah even the enemies are just reused animations from v2

[kind scarab]

Chaos spawn

My beloved

[viscid marlin]

yup

[narrow dock]

i mean y not, aren't it kinda iconic tbf? :D

[kind scarab]

All those years of V2 solo legendary helped me

[ruby hull]

Darktide is alot easier than vermintide honestly,

[kind scarab]

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I 100% love that the chaos spawn is here

[obtuse dawn]

So, everyone says Dclaw is amazing, but on a parry into a crusher weak spot mine deals 300 damage. Is there something I am missing here?

[viscid marlin]

All those cataclysm runs and chaos wastes prepared me for this.

[gusty sonnet]

That's fine, I'd rather they spend time and money on new features/maps

[kind scarab]

Apply some rending on them first

[viscid marlin]

If they did that it would be cool but.. When we get what we have now it makes me wonder where the time actually went.

[narrow dock]

is it? i guess we doing somehting wrong with my m8 :
we can't play on damnation, let alone try Aurics xd

[ruby hull]

At least the telegraphing is actually clear in dark tide

[slow spade]

Clearly for enemy variety, they should include the Death Guard

[dusk idol]

dclaw is good at its niche, which is horde clear and survivability, not clearing crusher packs

[narrow dock]

too much are denial, with stupid flamers and bastard with molotovs

[viscid marlin]

I never had trouble seeing the swings coming in v2 imo

[narrow dock]

or my beloved compo of any flamethrower and bitch with net gun

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah, I am trying to see what makes people choose it over a psword but I'm not seeing it

[gusty sonnet]

bro those stormvermin overhead 💀

[drifting moon]

Does anyone know if consecrating a weapon will increase its modifier score or is that a stat that doesn't increase?

[narrow dock]

doesn't

[kind scarab]

Doesn't increase (for now)

Wait for crafting 3.0

[drifting moon]

Any idea when that drops?

[dusk idol]

if you have creature spawner just make a mixed horde of ragers bruisers and maulers and tackle it with your weapons, see what you like better and then choose that

[viscid marlin]

Psword doesn't stun ragers and maniacs, one parry stuns them in place, that's the main thing.

its a more defensive weapon

[narrow dock]

not soon enough, so don't bother with saving shit, cuz meta will change 1000 times to that point

[viscid marlin]

but very effective at that

[drifting moon]

I like my build, I guess I was chasing that 580 high

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah I see how it staggers them back on the parry

[viscid marlin]

Let's talk about the real problem though.. One pixel of fire touching our frail little body and evaporating our toughness like a ho on valentines day.

[drifting moon]

It one shots ragers in damnation so I am not tripping too hard

[kind scarab]

Time estimate? They ain't got one. But first Vet gotta be hammered down correctly. We'll get some DLC for Nids infecting the other hive city I believe and then crafting 3.0

[south spindle]

So Marksman's Focus is fucking absurd

[kind scarab]

Along with weapons reaching 100 in their base modifiers

[south spindle]

Reaaaaallllly strong

[obtuse dawn]

It's just a fraction of the psword damage otherwise

I'm not getting rager one shots but maybe I need a better sword

[iron marten]

probably missing the revolver with the handcannon blessing as your secondary, which is a bug. Fatshark stamp of approval

[south spindle]

Fixed

[iron marten]

ah

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah people are abusing a bug got it

[gusty sonnet]

What weapon do you run it with? Columnus IAG?

[south spindle]

Not anymore they aint 😄

[obtuse dawn]

Kk that's kind of what I thought

[narrow dock]

500 power weapons when? :D

[viscid marlin]

I mean it's fine but i find myself doing more damage going into something else, it's just more team oriented.

[kind scarab]

When the tyranid infected other hive city on Atoma gets it's DLC and we need higher power weapons for the harder content

[south spindle]

Im running it on Laspistol an stuff just falls over after a second of fire

[viscid marlin]

las pistol is really solid right now

[south spindle]

Doesnt seem to matter what it is unelss Mauler or Crusher

[viscid marlin]

you got deadshot and the 30% weakpoint perk on?

[south spindle]

Ye

[viscid marlin]

dope

[south spindle]

gotta appreciate how sick this looks too

[drifting moon]

Are you giving out too many warning shots?

[viscid marlin]

mind showing the build? i wanna see what you got

[narrow dock]

nah, remember winds of magic? u gonna have special weapong which Hadron personally gonna make to u, and u gonna be able to use them only in that zone, and it will have closed economics, bcuz fuck you and everyone around u

[dusk idol]

my experience with marksman was that it was underwhelming as a keystone

[viscid marlin]

https://preview.redd.it/patch-1-2-10-veteran-keystones-v0-l6r6fgcbbi0c1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d99d8abf30edf3c9ae31d2a2293e453497ae3d55

Not gonna lie i laughed at least a little

😂

[drifting moon]

If you miss it is super weak lol

[south spindle]

Sure dude

[dusk idol]

but I haven’t used it with a laspistol yet

[maiden orbit]

good buy at melk ? or stopping power too low ?

[dusk idol]

sprint sliding also apparently makes it very weak

[south spindle]

You can just run about hip-firing most things an they evaporate, feels great

[kind scarab]

Why you gotta give them ideas

[dusk idol]

you lose two stacks a second

[kind scarab]

You lose one per second if you're walking

[drifting moon]

yeah, you do gotta stand still and ADS for a bit before it takes off

[narrow dock]

it already exist tho

[viscid marlin]

You know that exhilirating takedown is bugged to make you take 30% more toughness damage right now right?

[dusk idol]

not good for avoiding ranged fire

[south spindle]

Use your reload cycles to dive into cover an rebuild any lost stacks, but you shouldnt lose them too often

[narrow dock]

no need for ads, just don't move

[celest vine]

If you dont have anything better buy it

[kind scarab]

You can avoid ranged fire by crouch dodging. Which makes you not lose any stacks.

[south spindle]

Ye, but i also know it refills the bar faster than it drops 😄

[viscid marlin]

👀

but no confirmed kill?

[south spindle]

If there is a group, you only gotta shoot into it once or twice for a full refil

sec

[dusk idol]

crouch dodging 😭

[dusk idol]

I was using it on the new map

[south spindle]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1DWk4i65pi8Q4x/d1337f2JqfqX?invite=cr-MSxuaUgsMTc3NjE1NzkwLA

[kind scarab]

It's literally just crouch, then spam dodge in any direction you want. Not that hard.

[dusk idol]

there’s a lot of cover but a lot of enemies, it’s extremely easy to get flanked

you need to keep moving

[south spindle]

Yeah, its certainly got a lot of avenues for enemies to get behind you, which is cool tbh

Its a different kind of pacing to a lot of the old maps

An i really like it ngl

[drifting moon]

People actually use the shottys?!

[south spindle]

Uhh yeah? shotties are pretty good man

[viscid marlin]

ehh

[narrow dock]

slug and dragon breath are fun AF

[viscid marlin]

they feel great to shoot but i feel like the damage still isnt quite there with the ammo they consume

[slow spade]

Shotguns bad, recon good 💪

[narrow dock]

duckbill not as much

[narrow dock]

recon sucks

[kind scarab]

Recons are fine

Specifically the 6d