veteran-class

[foggy terrace]

melee vet build yes

dumdum - speedload

[vivid ocean]

damn

[flint rover]

lol even if you headshot everything you might as well just go another direction and do extremely similar headshot dmg

[dusk idol]

either way you'd be dumping ammunition into hordes to keep stacks up instead of actual prio targets

[vivid ocean]

doesnt the right keystone already handle reloads tho

[untold mulch]

is good, ubt you are paying like what? 5 points? for it

[forest maple]

I'm not heralding the use of any op/meta combination of weapons. Just know the game mechanics and dont be a douche. Not being able to handle a few mobs in melee or not contributing to killing specials is terrible

[foggy terrace]

turn my bodycam off, turn my laspistol on

[dusk idol]

alternatively I tried it with the revolver

[vivid ocean]

ye ik, was half kidding

[dusk idol]

which is very precise

[vivid ocean]

its only good on like 2-3 guns

[dusk idol]

and it was also not noticeable

[cloud current]

is 75% finesse power worth 6 skill points

[vivid ocean]

that benefit from finesse and can hs frequently enough to keep it up

[untold mulch]

Is terrible unless you using camo subnode, and staying still/crouching too much

[flint rover]

@cloud current exactly

[dusk idol]

it's just not an impactful keystone

[vivid ocean]

lmao it was a half joke too @brisk umbra

[brisk umbra]

kindest take of the day

[forest maple]

How do you guys feel that agri brauto fares in comparison to its infantry cousins?

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[brisk umbra]

Yeah sorry, wrong replay there ♥️

[vivid ocean]

all good

[wild lantern]

do you know how finesse work ? if not its not worth

[flint rover]

agripiina INFANTRY autogun is fucking amazing right now

[untold mulch]

Marksman needs a touch of something

also Xbox users pretty much is a dead end

[vivid ocean]

agri and columnus both do be bussin

[untold mulch]

you ain't keeping the stacks with a controller

[royal monolith]

actually the only viable vet build now is knife bleed one

[vivid ocean]

still wanna try an agri right keystone setup

[brisk umbra]

Did a couple of runs with the brauto, and fuck me if anything is over 20-30m it's a miracle if you hit it

[royal monolith]

mecry killer + uncanny

[flint rover]

the agri brauto i think is actually mildly worse than it's infantry counterpart rn

cuz of dumdum + being able to ads

[untold mulch]

Just get closer duh

Joke joke

[cloud current]

I guess it increases weakspot/crit damage? I'd know better if fatshark explained and told me how it interacts with weakspot damage and critical hit damage

[warm remnant]

Facts.

[clear lark]

i have been finding more success wiht my bleed knife vet than my zealot recently and have been enjoying it more

[vivid ocean]

interesting

[royal monolith]

see

[clear lark]

its the only like, viable vet build ive been able to make

[vivid ocean]

knife and volver?

[slow spade]

Plasma Vet is still good

[wild lantern]

2 of the 3 keystone are bad, only the middle one is good for now

[flint rover]

never knife vet

[brisk umbra]

I miss the stun immunity, fucking gunners making me run in place

[forest maple]

yea thats what ive found to be the issue aswell with brautos

[untold mulch]

Oh right is 75% at max stacks

not 100% like the trailer

got nerfed before release

[forest maple]

accuracy

[clear lark]

when the rest of the options or so like, spread and bloated

[royal monolith]

shout for toughness sustain and specialist keystone

[flint rover]

----0 hordeclear on knifevet

[vivid ocean]

ive been enjoying plas and laspistol vet

[royal monolith]

thats the way

[wild lantern]

it only increase the weakspot/crit part*

[slow spade]

Here's mine if you like plasma

[dusk idol]

focus targets also got the nerf

[flint rover]

maximally minimal hordeclear on vet with knife

[untold mulch]

Melee one is bad too?

[vivid ocean]

right keystone is good, but hard to justify grabbing for most guns

[flint rover]

I Can Only Kill One Enemy At A Time ! 😄 😄 😄 😄

[brisk umbra]

Melee is OP with revolver, meh with the rest

[untold mulch]

I never ran it, so I was suffering as normal

[vivid ocean]

the crit bonus is only on first shot

[dusk idol]

melee is fine, but i don't like the focus on weapon switching

[vivid ocean]

so that really fucks it

[dusk idol]

well i wouldn't call it a focus

the buff is there either way no matter what you do

[flint rover]

@vivid ocean the reload is goated on shotguns and plasma gun

[south prairie]

it might work for a revolver, for just pulling it out and blasting a special

[vivid ocean]

ye, its only good on volver

[brisk umbra]

With Revolver you can literally just kill 1 mob, switch to revolver to get a free ammo and switch back, it's so dumb

[untold mulch]

I found it somewhat "interesting" to use it actively swapping weapons

But I felt like I was swapping for the buff, and not for the threat which is bad design

[vivid ocean]

quickswap plasma was the other thing i was thinking of

[brisk umbra]

i would 100% run the Toughness node on the tag btw

[wild lantern]

not joke i find it to be pretty meh, the only thing i find good on it is the reload part + crit for revolver/shotgun gameplay and even than, i think its still meme for a keystone

[south prairie]

problem is THEY SPILLED MY MELEE VET NODES ALL OVER THE PLACE

[warm remnant]

Eeellephaaant. It's meee. Your long dead twin coussinnn. Do it wit ha Strippped Dowwn Columnnuss Infanttreyy Auuuttoooo

[vivid ocean]

havent gotten good shotties to try though

[slow spade]

Never needed it

[flint rover]

that's whqat i used to get my cough cough almost million dmg on vet

[vivid ocean]

fuckin spilled all the nodes everywhere

[untold mulch]

Entire Vet keystones are build upon bad design/bad gameplay and is very amusing to me

Fatshark really plays their games

[brisk umbra]

fuck me, this last game i kept 4 people up with it

[wild lantern]

sadly

[royal monolith]

call sylvanas
burn the tree

its too big

[wild lantern]

and wtf we gonna do with 330% crit chance btw

[royal monolith]

over crit

[warm remnant]

Jokes aside, I run it with abrauto and ciauto on auric dam (mael and not) to plenty success. It's basically just "Have a gun you can draw and fire quickly".

[dusk idol]

warframe red crits

[dusty ferry]

Hand cannon stonks

[dusk idol]

tf i would love thaat

[brisk umbra]

i think that's multiplicative over additive

[vivid ocean]

i was gonna say that

[slow spade]

Eh too many other point taxes. But I would if I could

[dusty ferry]

Hell

[wild lantern]

give me my dread !

[dusty ferry]

Even lasgun crit funnies

[brisk umbra]

so it's pretty much a way to guarantee to 100% crit with deadshot

[royal monolith]

ew warframe

[vivid ocean]

imagine hitting a boss for a 10k damage plas shot

or nailing an entire crusher squadron

[dusk idol]

mfw i have more hours in warframe than in darktide

[wild lantern]

if your talkign about the bug i think it fixed for the little i try

[cloud current]

it shows a + next to it, fuck man

[dusk idol]

these keystones just feel underwhelming in real play

[brisk umbra]

tbh i started skipping Weakspot damage with Plasma, since sometimes i just whiffs head and it doesn't seem to change anything

[dusk idol]

the only thing i like is other veterans running tag

[vivid ocean]

yeah the bug was fixed, i think its just for revolver in general

[wild lantern]

maybe and if that the case its even more shitty

[dusk idol]

but i don't like running tag

[south prairie]

that might work lmao i got a pretty good columnus autogun but it aint SD

[slow spade]

Its a 1-shot on head without stacks for me

Also bulwarks die in 2 shots with it

[royal monolith]

tbh plasma headshots have tons of breakpoints

[brisk umbra]

I mean, i haven't tested it but i really do doubt that they would make it additive and go it up to 300%, it doesn't really make sense

[vivid ocean]

not hard tbh, its been out longer

[dusk idol]

also, has anyone tested if vet tagging stacks?

[wild lantern]

sadly it was not in the patch note (like man many shit has always)

[brisk umbra]

while 330% multiplicative is pretty much a guaranteed crit with a 25%

[vivid ocean]

ye, fartshart

[slow spade]

The buff from the keystone does not seem to stack

[warm remnant]

Strip for us, eelleepphaaant. Dooo itttt. Sttrrippp and runnn throuughh the hereetiiiics.

[slow spade]

Had a team of 3 Vets running the ping keystone

Chaos spawn died in like 5 seconds

[south prairie]

I DONT EVEN HAVE THE BLESSING

[wanton dawn]

Tag is real good at activating your team monke brain

[warm remnant]

I beeliieevee in youuu.

[untold mulch]

IT REALLY does

[dusk idol]

sad

[south prairie]

ALL MY TIME PLAYING AND I AINT SEEN NO SD ON COLUMNUS

[warm remnant]

[slow spade]

But we were revolver, plasma, and Headhunter Vets with ALL kraks

[vivid ocean]

i should go check if there's a mod that changes the ping sound to the vine boom

[brisk umbra]

yeye, but i don't think the 30% weakspoint changes anything about them (or at least, the couple of runs i did without it because i needed the points seemed identical)

[slow spade]

So idk if it stacked or it got really bullied

[cloud current]

Miss old beta Warframe when it was a slower creepy space shooter instead of this flying ninja floaty shit ability spam fest :(

[untold mulch]

Someone who uses ping quick

If I kill the ping of another player they get their stacks RIGHT?

[warm remnant]

Go shank melk and take his stuff, I bet he's hiding it!

[vivid ocean]

do kraks stick to chaos spawns actually?

[slow spade]

Yes

[vivid ocean]

they dont right?

[brisk umbra]

They sick to monstruosities

[vivid ocean]

i like both tbf

[slow spade]

All unyielding BUT it needs a direct hit

[brisk umbra]

it's in the description

[vivid ocean]

ahhh

[untold mulch]

Thats a relief, I was fearing my last game I was screwing over my teammate by shooting first

[vivid ocean]

im just getting skill issued

[brisk umbra]

They don't fly to them, like they do to carapace

[dusk idol]

krak magenetisation must have been nerfed

[slow spade]

Yeah they're just stupid don't worry about them

[royal monolith]

crusher oneshot bp on crit

[wanton dawn]

Ping with thoughness node is like a shared CK. It is really good

[untold mulch]

[vivid ocean]

i was confused because i thought they flew to bulwarks and reapers

[dusk idol]

I was throwing them directly in front of bulwark shields and it was not sticking

[vivid ocean]

then i remembered they're armored

[vivid ocean]

i bounce em off the ground near the bulwark

[slow spade]

Yeah reapers and bulwarks have carapace on their arms

[vivid ocean]

they usually fly and stick

[brisk umbra]

with or without the talent? because i'm pretty sure it still does it without the 30% (edit: at least with charged shot)

[untold mulch]

So

Ping good once we learned all the hidden mechanics

Weapon Specialist is broken for revolver, but awkward af for anything else

Marksman is marksman

it exists

[cloud current]

twinned blast or vanguard

[brisk umbra]

Ping is honestly great if you can take all 3 nodes

[dusk idol]

i was straight up face to face with a bulwark, threw it a foot from his shield and it just blew up on the ground

[slow spade]

Weapon specialist is usable with plasma imo

[brisk umbra]

The rest as you said yeah

[slow spade]

Yeah it needs investment

Really a shame we're so point limited

[untold mulch]

At least Ping is good

[brisk umbra]

Yes, but it's better with revolver, you don't get that many ammo with plasma

[cloud current]

Do deadshot bonuses apply when you run out of stamina?

[dusk idol]

no

[slow spade]

There's a bug where reloaded plasma doesn't use heat

So you can mag dump plasma

[untold mulch]

The glorious bug is back

[slow spade]

It does make Get Hot useless though

[royal monolith]

its really good with charge speed blessing

[untold mulch]

Be free

[brisk umbra]

The what, how, what's happening

[royal monolith]

i use plasma in melee knife bleed vet

[vivid ocean]

how

[slow spade]

Idk the specifics, someone posted a video here demonstrating it though

[royal monolith]

oneshots everything

[slow spade]

Idk, someone posted a video here with a description of how it worked

[brisk umbra]

Like, you somehow bug the reload and the weapon doesn't use heat anymore?

I mean, now (and by that i mean like 10 patches) that you don't lose straight up life to de-heat the plasma is chill managing the heat most of the time

[slow spade]

Iirc, get reloaded ammo -> start reloading -> cancel before it removes your ammo and swap back

I never tried it myself

That's just what I recall from the video yesterday

[brisk umbra]

Is it even worth it?

[slow spade]

Could use search and type "in:Vet has:video"

[slow spade]

Its funny

Gloryhunter + Blaze Away worth it now UwU

[untold mulch]

I don't think is practical because you lose it at reloading no?

and you only get a "few" shots

[slow spade]

Na the video was him magdumping

It seems to last the entire mag

[brisk umbra]

found it

#veteran-class message

[untold mulch]

DAMN

[slow spade]

#veteran-class message

Here's the link

[slow spade]

Oh lol nice

[brisk umbra]

[untold mulch]

not so much magdumping no? only 22 ammo on battery

still nice ot know?

[slow spade]

lasts until next standard reload

[plucky agate]

You can fire the plasma gun without getting heat now using Always Prepared.

Steps to replicate:

Have 'Always Prepared(2)' equipped.

Start a reload to empty the gun.

Kill some enemies to build A.P. Stacks.

Swap back to your Plasma Gun (stacks reload up to 30% of missing ammo from reserves)

??????

Profit.

Applies to both the Primary and Secondary (charged) fire.

Found it

[slow spade]

The main issue with it is that Gets Hot is basically useless with it active

But its still funny

[untold mulch]

So basically get back 20 ammo

empty or close

do melee

go back

If you can get the pacing, is neat to use until fixed

[slow spade]

As I mentioned twice now, "breaks on next standard reload" you just need to get any amount of reloaded ammo

Could be 1 round

[untold mulch]

At least guaranteed first crit

[slow spade]

Probably get Gloryhunter imo

Born Leader value UwU

[untold mulch]

You only getting fractions of the full mag doing this no? Or I am having an Ogryn brain moment now

Still neat, things need to be bad to use more than 20 ammo or so without time for some melee hits

[brisk umbra]

you get up to... 33% of your mag

no wait, 3.3% sorryu

[untold mulch]

3.3 per stack

[slow spade]

Lol I wish

[untold mulch]

up to 10

[brisk umbra]

the fuck am i saying

[untold mulch]

no

Damn, thats what I get from memory

[old quail]

3.3% rounding up which has some deranged implications

1 stack reloads a revolver bullet

[slow spade]

33% restore when?

[brisk umbra]

oh yeah it's 3.3% per stack

[old quail]

for instance

[brisk umbra]

i wasn't insane

[old quail]

so u kill 1 guy qq boom revolver bullet

do this 5 times

boom 5 revolver bullets

[untold mulch]

so 33% at full stacks no?

[brisk umbra]

yeye

[untold mulch]

Thats better much better

Yeah, that bit of tech is useful af then

[brisk umbra]

I mean, i still vote free revolver

[untold mulch]

thats 40 ammo or such

for plasma

13 shots on average

With no heat

Is getting so patched

[brisk umbra]

I still need 1 more point for my perfect IAG/brauto build

and it's pissing me off -_-

[kind scarab]

That's not how that works, since it'll do rounding

[old quail]

this is quite literally how it works ive done it in game

[kind scarab]

It'll only work that way if you fast switch between each melee kill

[old quail]

yeah

"do this 5 times"

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist with Helbore

[kind scarab]

OHHHH I misread the QQ part

My bad G

[old quail]

lmao

its all good

[kind scarab]

Yee, revolver with right tree (or any single shot high damage weapon) is silly with right tree.

Not just for the free reload

But the one guranteed crit shot

[old quail]

you can go an entire game never pressing R

its comedic

[kind scarab]

You're literally just saltzpyre in darktide

But weaker

I'mma just leave this here

[slow spade]

Yeah a shame honestly

[warm remnant]

Right tree with anything that fires fast from draw is good.

[slow spade]

To be fair, it does give toughness and stam which is comfy

IF you can afford it...

[devout atlas]

I really like using the Agripinaa as more of less a lever-action rifle, what blessings and perks should I run on it? I've went down the left passive tree for weakpoint and all the way down the middle for the keystone as I like how it helps boss DPS and toughness recovery

[ebon quartz]

What's the best Autogun for Vets these days. No torrent pls. Sight is preferable and I don't care about flashlight/bash

[kind scarab]

Not really, no. Since the capstone doesn't actually function as written right now.

[candid tundra]

And the weapon swapping one is bounty hunter's blessed combat but weaker

[warm remnant]

I don't care about the crit. The crit is pretty irrelevant.

[crimson wyvern]

Posting this here too:
https://youtu.be/FLwifluGzeg?si=3PN2IU3lr3eog2PQ

Veterans! Even if it looks like the game is lost, don't lose hope and don't disconnect! All my team DC'ed in this match after they all went down, I stealthed and marched ahead to rez and we pulled it out the hat!

[ruby veldt]

What are the blessings you want on the mg12?

[ebon quartz]

Mostly for medium long rng

[fallow compass]

I have a good time with the Columnus mk. V

[kind scarab]

Then why are you even using the capstone, for the free reload and melee damage?

[untold mulch]

The one who increases weakspot damage

[warm remnant]

And melee attack speed, and ranged attack speed, and toughness regen. Yes.

[devout atlas]

You want Graia or Agripinaa IAG then. Columnus is great but you didn't ask for a torrent. Graia is something of an M16, Agripinaa like an AK47

[ebon quartz]

not bad, Blessings of choice? (God I wish we had an ogrynomicon equivelant)

[ebon quartz]

ty

[devout atlas]

You want Dumdum, then the 2nd choice is yours

[ebon quartz]

Cheers

[devout atlas]

Look at all the options and choose

[ebon quartz]

Yeah no kidding

[kind scarab]

I suppose that's definitely one way to use it, but definitely a better option once they fix the capstone to function as intended.

[devout atlas]

Infil builds benefit from Raking Fire heavily for example

[ebon quartz]

is there any difference in the mks of the agripeen

[fallow compass]

Dum dum and raking fire are probably a great combo to have

[devout atlas]

You want an Infantry Autogun not Braced

[chrome berry]

Is it just me or does the weapon swap crit buff only last for a single shot?

[devout atlas]

Braced are the ones you can't aim

That not to say they're bad, they're very good but you asked for sights haha

[ebon quartz]

Roger, headhunters are burst fire yea?

[warm remnant]

Oh, don't get me wrong, they absolutely should fix the keystone.

But like, it's still good. You just need a weapon that can fire off quickly from draw.

[ruby veldt]

Would headhunter be the one to pair it with?

[untold mulch]

Maybe, idk, I don't use 12, only know weak spot damage EVERYONE runs

[brisk umbra]

iThe one thing i hate most about the vet change, is that it's a fucking miracle finding a random vet with Survivalist now

[brazen cradle]

What is the best key stone for shoot mid range ?

[devout atlas]

ah I forgot that they can carry the agripinaa title. Yes they're all burst and headshot dependent, all 3 are quite good. You have a semi auto Vraks, 2 shot burst agripinaa, and 3 shot burst Vraks

[untold mulch]

💀

[brisk umbra]

Just had a game with 3 vets, not a single one of them had it, what the fuck

[ruby veldt]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[cloud leaf]

VET IS STILL broken op

[tepid gorge]

I think Vet is still fun.

[ebon quartz]

The Vraks headhunter is the burst of choice isn't it?

[chrome berry]

Bro plays malice

[south spindle]

The Agri' HH is an AN-94. Change my mind.

[forest maple]

Third time this happened today.

[cloud leaf]

the patch just made vet stronger only thing thats nerfed is VoC 100 toughness and the keystones are useless and noob traP

[neon briar]

ive had mission aborted while in the elevator to leave vigil station oblivium

[crimson wyvern]

You say that but lots of people consider veteran meh and underpowered compared. But I played Zealot and felt like I was gasping for air the entire time. Different strokes for different folks

[devout atlas]

Honestly every autogun is in a very good state atm maybe except of Braced Columnus which gets outclassed by Bracdd Graia

[neon briar]

fatshark still owes me 700 plasteel

[forest maple]

Btw i took an agri brauto to carnival auric 5 high-int and it was surprisingly good

[brazen cradle]

FAL/G3

[south spindle]

Wat? Maybe the MKVII, not the Agri'

Neither of those fire a two burst

[waxen veldt]

What's the best perks for plasma?

[slow spade]

Just for you, I switched to Fire Team UwU

[ebon quartz]

Yeah fair, Think the Vraks headhunter is good for all round sits. The semi auto might be a bit rough in certain fights

[brazen cradle]

What is the best key stone for shoot mid range ?

[cloud leaf]

any vet who doesnt take survalist is throwing and should immedietly be vote kicked

[slow spade]

This is mine

[crimson wyvern]

Dunno if you're being serious but thats the type of comment that ruins a fanbase

[slow spade]

I have switched to Fire Team

[neon briar]

i agree with that statement even though i run 5% movespeed

[slow spade]

Fellow plasteel huffer

[crimson wyvern]

It's the one thing I worried abou the inspect thing. It's cool but it can get toxic fast

[devout atlas]

Nah AN94 has hyperburst, a 2 shot burst like the Agri HH is more akin to if a G3 had a 2 shot burst mode

[neon briar]

hell yea brother

[spare wolf]

^

[cloud leaf]

yea im joking but fr its so much stronger and useful than anything else in higher difficulties theres really no reason not to take it

[dusty ferry]

he

[south spindle]

Play it on Zealot with attack speed buffs it basically has Hyperburst

[slow spade]

I wish Chainaxe wasn't so shit so I could use it for speed :c

[warm remnant]

he

[quasi dust]

Melee vets, what are your weapons of choice?

[south spindle]

SHOVEL

[spare wolf]

Imagine getting other aura

[dusty ferry]

Shovel

Power sword

and knife

[slow spade]

Power Sword and Devil Claw for me

[cloud leaf]

power sword 6 or chainsword

[neon briar]

one day..

[slow spade]

Indeed 😔

[warm remnant]

Chensord.

Always chensord.

Nothing but chensord.

vrmmmmmmmmmm

[slow spade]

Chainsword bad, chainaxe good

[crimson wyvern]

I just love the Catachan cause I feel anime using it. I'm sorry.

[slow spade]

Chainaxe light spam 💪💪💪

[warm remnant]

You've just made an enemy for life.

[cloud leaf]

aaxes are for heretics

[slow spade]

Nanodesu~!

[warm remnant]

[slow spade]

2-handed shovel when?

[cosmic aurora]

Shovel and devil claw

[warm remnant]

I don't know what you just said, but I'm offended

[slow spade]

:p

[forest maple]

Gaze your eyes upon the emperors brauto

[sturdy crow]

Tier 3 fire frenzy, sorry dude but it's bricked

[dusty ferry]

Do I cope on this?

[forest maple]

Already scrapped it for 9k dockets

[devout atlas]

for Vet specifically I adore the Agri IAG. I don't push crits for Vet as if I wanted a crit IAG build both Zealot and Psyker do those better with Fury and Scryers Gaze respectfully. Agri IAG combined with the weakpoint talent, good aim and situational awareness and rending/brittleness talents can down a Crusher in half a mag, delete any special easily, eliminate shooters efficiently and can even deal with hordes in a pinch/ when ammo is in excess. I've been pairing it with Bloodletter/Savage sweep CSword for horde-clear and a less resource intensive solution for Crushers plus some ok boss DPS alongside Shredders for safe revives, groups of elites, Scavenger and Vet Shout.

damn that's a lotta words

[crimson wyvern]

No, never cope with non-perfection

[dusty ferry]

What can be perfected

[elder vessel]

How important is Stopping power on a kantrael shottie?

[devout atlas]

Actually I think I run Infiltrate on this build now lol

[crimson wyvern]

4 tiny points to 380

[devout atlas]

just with 90% threat reduction not double charges, in Auric Damn you can maintain stealth uptime a lot

[quasi dust]

since we are sharing "almost perfects"

[fallow compass]

Damn

[devout atlas]

charge rate cucked

[sturdy crow]

Why would you roll crit damage on that??

[quasi dust]

charge rate is for bozos

[dusty ferry]

[quasi dust]

never right click

[devout atlas]

I'm robbing yo house

[crimson wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174100615597666364/image.png?ex=65665d68&is=6553e868&hm=b85aea91e2d16ce8cc6b3a8bbf8467c110a9042fab412fa2d7d4b75a29be1e14&

[slow spade]

All guns have 100% crit rate if you're just lucky

[twin kettle]

Is this good baseline or do I need more ammo stat?

[devout atlas]

charge rate affects M1 damage due to a bug btw

[fallow compass]

i wish we could get up to 600 points. I dont like being capped at 550

[quasi dust]

i thought it was >71% you lose dmg?

[slow spade]

No

[south spindle]

You say that.. ive managed a 100% crit chance build with the new tree, its only in bursts, but works good an is very reliable

[cloud leaf]

laspistol best ranged weapon change my mind

[carmine horizon]

Ideally you probably want more ammo... Even with survivalist running, Columnus V is kind of an ammo-hog.

[devout atlas]

Not even kidding ammo is sort of a dump stat on Columnus. I have ones at 60% and ones at 80% the ammo difference is miniscule. Unarmoured is also not bad on it. Upgrade it.

[celest vine]

What do we all think of the keystones one day in?

[cloud leaf]

theyre ass and not worth taking

[crimson wyvern]

I love everything about the las pistol I just wish it didnt feel like I was shooting peas

[slow spade]

I love the ping keystone

[fallow compass]

Trash, give me my old vet tree back is what i say

[devout atlas]

I like the middle one for general use, the left one for Lawbringer specifically, can't speak on right

[slow spade]

So much value

[cloud leaf]

gotta go for crits with las pistol

[celest vine]

I like the spot one, but it should be a perk not the basis for an entire keystone

[quasi dust]

pisses me off when mid tree vets only mark 1 thing every 10 minutes. why are you wasting that shit?

[iron marten]

only keystone I use is marksman focus with camouflage on my columnus

[slow spade]

Because what if Mortarian pops up D:

[warm remnant]

Right is fun

Zoom zoom swing swing

[twin kettle]

I like this as it allows me to load 1 bullet into revolver by just swapping into it after every melee kill

[cosmic aurora]

The right keystone is sick for revolver vets

[celest vine]

My main kit does not use keystones, its better to have perks for it

[vivid ocean]

plasma weapon spec is

pretty good

[warm remnant]

Right is just good if you like meleeing.

[celest vine]

My kreig kit does have the marksman keystone

[devout atlas]

Laspistol is alright on Vet but it's significantly better on Zealot/Psyker due to it being crit reliant. Especially good on Psyker which gets bonus headshot damage (another benefit of Laspis) and extremely high crit uptime from True Aim and Scryers Gaze. I'd try lasrifles for Vet as they scale better imho

[celest vine]

I think the lucius benifits from it good

[cosmic aurora]

You auto reload the revolver while clearing hordes and then you can kill specialists mid horde with the revolver

[karmic musk]

My Mk3 doesnt care for it

[celest vine]

I run lasgun primarily

Infantry las

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-spinning-gif-15711483

[celest vine]

So i dont think any of the keystones help my build at all

[cloud leaf]

its easy to get high crits if u go deadshot and reciprocity

[slow spade]

Helbore Weapon Specialist 💪💪💪

[celest vine]

But they can be useful

[devout atlas]

Lawbringer fucks with the left one, if you didn't know every individual pellet can count towards getting stacks. Insanely easy to get max from one special shot which increases its lethality to very reliable degrees.

[fallow compass]

currently mu best gun

[hybrid river]

🤢but that swap time though

[karmic musk]

that click sound though

[dusty ferry]

IDK if infernus and accatran are still the go to this patch but if they aren't might wrong this not good but workable piece

[slow spade]

Just don't get hit 💅💅💅

[fallow compass]

my current best melee

[warm remnant]

Not even Stripped Down why live.

[sharp ember]

wait that's wild, gotta check that out with a deadshot shotgun

[cosmic aurora]

The left or middle one keystone probably fine. You don’t really have to stand still if you headshot

[devout atlas]

A very difficult investment for what Zealot gets for free with Fury or Psyker gets for free and better with Gaze IMHO. Deadshot needs a buff honestly.

[fallow compass]

im still trying, but damn are the odds nearly impossible

[quasi dust]

the omnissiah provides. mustve heard yalls critique

[devout atlas]

Yeah the build for Lawbringer went from already very good to extremely solid this patch.

[cloud leaf]

ur right but i like my commissar squad leader roleplay

[hybrid river]

Shattering impact 😔

[warm remnant]

I believe in you fren

[vivid ocean]

honestly gaze laspistol is a bit better purely because illisi is a better psword for hordeclear + assail is a backup ranged weapon / smite for cc

[devout atlas]

Then go nuts haha. I can't wait for Boltpistol so I can do that while being effective

[dusty ferry]

Shattering impact
more like shattering justice

[vivid ocean]

but laspistol vet does get kraks

so id say that kinda evens it out

[hybrid river]

At least shattering justice is somewhat useful

[karmic musk]

Conga line of Crushers has entered the chat

[fallow compass]

why cant we convert diamantine into plasteel?! I have too much!

[cloud leaf]

bolt pistol model already in game really hope it comes in part 2 update

[dusty ferry]

Only 1 shattering justice though 😔

[warm remnant]

Welcome to DT

[vivid ocean]

its time to throw your kraks and rev up your psword for that 2shot headshot

[celest vine]

Can confirm

[devout atlas]

Assail is a good ammo saving tool while also dealing good passive horde-clear. Illisi is nice but I find it rather overrated especially on a Gaze build. Deimos with the blessing that vents peril on weakspot hits can handle hordes and do good single target while extending Gaze significantly which is my personal pick if you'd like to try.

[celest vine]

Bolt pistol does exist

[warm remnant]

Yo, bolt pistol, sick.

[celest vine]

[cloud leaf]

bruh what is that top part lmao

[vivid ocean]

honestly, deimos with quell works

[warm remnant]

WAIT fuck you

[vivid ocean]

but there's just something about spamming illisi heavies and 2shotting crushers to the head

[warm remnant]

[karmic musk]

Man I hate Power Sword with Laspistol, you moving super fast with your pistol then suddenly you're a turtle with the sword

[celest vine]

The model is imposed onto the regular bolter

[mental sun]

ok, either I'm very bad at maths or the game is

[dusty ferry]

With great power comes great slowdown

[devout atlas]

Ppl underrate Deimos light spam. With Gaze it reaches a very solid damage threshold to blend hordes

[vivid ocean]

ye, i tried it

but tbh

illisi gang

[devout atlas]

Switch to laspis for dodges I'm not kidding this is a very good tech that I use often on THammer Zealot

[vivid ocean]

i have never felt more alive than when i scrier's gaze laspistol spam an entire gunner squad down

[devout atlas]

That's fair. I like DSword4 more anyway but the quell blessing is too good to give up on Gaze builds

[foggy terrace]

Run chainsword laspistol instead

[slow spade]

Deimos for Vet when? UwU

[vivid ocean]

i just move faster than their bullets, its insane

[devout atlas]

2h pswords are datamined so

[slow spade]

One day...

[karmic musk]

Thats what I do

[warm remnant]

It'll be a Zealot weapon

[foggy terrace]

Based

[lean light]

Where the fuck is my meltagun

[slow spade]

Lol that'd be funny

[devout atlas]

Also many ranged weapons have high stamina, if you use combat knife revive with your ranged equipped

[warm remnant]

Zealot's gimmick is "2h melee", so it absolutely will be

[slow spade]

Ratlings stole them

[warm remnant]

It's why all Ogryn melees are 1h.

[slow spade]

Psyker weapons on Zealot 🤔

[devout atlas]

I like how easily accessible the bleed melee talent is on Vet now. I need to get a Mercy Killer Rending CKnife asap

[vivid ocean]

shield is technically 2h

you use 2 hands

[warm remnant]

WELL OK THEN MR TECHNICAL

[karmic musk]

Pretty sure this will be Zealot only

[vivid ocean]

GOTTEM

[foggy terrace]

1 hand per weapon tho

[vivid ocean]

technically

[warm remnant]

Also, yeah, pretty sure melta will be Zealot too. Less sure about that.

[slow spade]

A shame bleed got nerfed on unyielding

[devout atlas]

I think it's likely more of a balancing act. A super short knife for Ogryn already has higher reach than any Vet melee

[slow spade]

Bloodletter was just bullying bosses

[mighty cape]

Are you sure that’s an intentional design choice, or just that the two unique Zealot weapons happened to be 2h

[slow spade]

Ogryns with a power halberd when?

[hybrid river]

3

[devout atlas]

that 1 stack is useless for damage, it exists to proc Mercy Killer imho

[tiny summit]

Base tag with 1 stack should be like 10-15% and then increase with stacks

[lean light]

Darktide will add the iconic weapon of the most faithful and famous guardsmam Jurgen or I will riot

[warm remnant]

Melta guns are close range, and Zealot's whole thing is "2h melee and close range everything". Melta also meets a niche in Zealot arsenal for anti-armour ranged.

[foggy terrace]

Force weapons?

[slow spade]

Yeah was thinking about Bloodletter for chain weapons

[thick kestrel]

3* (it's fair to forget the crusher but it is there :>)

[mighty cape]

We don’t talk about the Crusher

[slow spade]

Nemesis force weapons for psyker when?

[karmic musk]

Ogryn power fist

[devout atlas]

Heavy Swords aren't really 2h either

that said wasn't a Ogryn 2h caxe teased

[warm remnant]

I am pretty sure, yes. Especially since power greatswords aren't ever seen being used by guardsmen. More tied to Sisters of Battle (And Sisters of Silence).

[mighty cape]

Well I was only counting Evis and THammer originally

[devout atlas]

HSwords been here since release

[mighty cape]

HSword is a 1 handed sword (mostly?)

[devout atlas]

Zealot is just a melee/cqc focused humie all things considered, at least on day 1

[warm remnant]

Hsword is weird.

[devout atlas]

I think Fatsharks paradigm shifted a bit

[neon briar]

the heavy swing on hsword is 2 handed i believe

[feral flax]

I mean, vets gimmick is "power sword" for some reason.

[cloud leaf]

its a bastard sword

[devout atlas]

other than Ogryn weapons and cknife/dswords though every 1h melee has 2h heavies

[unique orchid]

Gonna be honest, new update goes hard, i enjoy the tag keystone

[warm remnant]

Darktide is pretty consistent with lore (and TT, actually) overall. Generally (exclusively, pretty much) 2h weapons are given to melee units. So I imagine that trend will continue.

[neon briar]

true

[devout atlas]

a lot of bitching and moaning with old broken builds not being as broken anymore, but I do like the new tree a lot more, having deleted all my loadouts and started fresh I found so many more viable playstyles than before and shockingly actually like Vet now

this was easily my least fav class

was

[warm remnant]

Funnily, Power Swords are an iconic Veteran weapon. I'd actually also expect vets to get a power fist if anyone does.

[unique orchid]

People whining about how their builds are balanced and dont have that extra 3 damage for muh brakepointz? Imagine my shock

[devout atlas]

except the left keystone puts many weapons way past any previous breakpoints anyway but "uhh uhh muh its a gimmick" crew had to chime in

[slow spade]

Combi-bolter with a chainsword at the end when?

[warm remnant]

I am entirely certain that almost anyone complaining about the left keystone hasn't actually used it.

[unique orchid]

I really only care for the middle keystone, right sounds too weird and left is... well yknow its that one

[warm remnant]

When I got to sleep with a new, comfy dream.

Frankly, I'd throw all lore out the window if DT lemme play as a Flashgit.

[slow spade]

I remember when people were shitting on it too

[umbral scaffold]

New patchie new discourse

[iron marten]

should give vet a keystone where they get a power armour

[slow spade]

Vets should get Terminator armor

[unique orchid]

Im mostly waiting for a repentia cosmetic set and some manner of mechanicus class

[slow spade]

Keystone should give you an Imperial Knight

Maps stay the same UwU

[umbral scaffold]

Zelot has that

[devout atlas]

It's not ideal for every build but for boltgun, plasma, many lasguns, laspistol especially and lawbringer surprisingly its excellent. Middle keystone is perfect in the "always useful" category and right allows some interesting combos but instinctually switch on and off my weapons and fuck up my stacks so I don't use it XD

[grave kayak]

Attempt at making Recon VIb build after a break.

It feels a bit stronger DPS-wise than in patch 14. But survivability is absolute dogshit

[devout atlas]

It's a good tree, the keystones are intentionally cherries on top rather than must haves like on Zealot

[untold mulch]

I did a T4 run with it, I could make it work, but ammo is a pain in the ass

[warm remnant]

The right tree the trick is to not care about stacks.

The only stacks that do anything is the ranged refill and attack speed (and crit I guess)

Everything else is functionally just "Get a single kill"

It works super smooth!

[iron marten]

oof, trying to get to the onslaught node hurts

[untold mulch]

Honestly I think is better this way, only one kill to get the real buff

[warm remnant]

Oh, absolutely.

[unique orchid]

A repentia set? Must not be in the shop rn

[grave kayak]

yup, but without it I don't do anything to crushers, with it, they die relatively easy on Heresy at least

[thick kestrel]

I will note that getting the 10 melee stacks to then pull out the columnus auto and start sweeping at head height is.... entertaining

[devout atlas]

I'm just too addicted to middle tree/no keystone rn. My fav build runs Agri IAG and doesn't even reach a keystone, it can easily cap Crushers in half a mag which is by no means record breaking but essentially let's the workhorse do everything barring boss DPS (although it does good work on those slug fuckers backs cause raking fire goes brrr)

[thick kestrel]

it might not be good

but it IS dakka

[torn gorge]

[warm remnant]

I still have issues.

I think every tree should have its own way to regen grenades, I think the 6s CD on kill is borderline mandatory with how good it is so each tree should probably also have a unique way to lower CDs.

But otherwise, I think it's fine, yeah.

[iron marten]

hmm getting to iron will is 4 talent points, but the recon lasgun is exceptionally good at hitting weakspots, so the keystone paired with it is also really good. hmmm

[ivory aurora]

How are combat knives on veteran?

[warm remnant]

Run Stripped Down. Be crazy person.

[unique orchid]

About as you would expect, a friend of mine is loving the damn thing on his vet rn

[topaz lance]

For those with the imperial edition; is the black autogun skin only available on the IAGs or does it also work for the headhunters?
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UCdFGItzVGJc4CON1ZcrO0d-QhhcXbZy_kPivMNYPwaclKgxkxac9GzKFTWphCxapnhcgOHOj3RdfhFi7V79r5Lb-DHBCAmbDXVLSdYVqp71vaYuE03FR3KMFE0__1eGte_EQguvPEki9yxJpidW7JE

[jade night]

I might be addicted to this now. It started as a joke but Duck and Dive lets me keep it maxed.

[celest vine]

I run this for infantry las and chainsword

[devout atlas]

better than ever but can only recommend on Kantrael/Lawbringer shotgun. Run Presti/Rending or Rending/Mercy with bleed talent

[devout atlas]

okay maybe I should get those stamina curios

[mental sun]

I do like Weapons Specialist but the keystone modifiers feel really underwhelming. The reload one is fine. But one of them is '25% stamina cost reduction for 3 seconds.'

[unique orchid]

This man commissar he was the one sneaking stimms from the carnival sir

[ivory aurora]

Ok. I was experimenting a roaming play style with cloak

[vivid ocean]

had a fucking xbox vet playing with one hand

[jade night]

+9 stam with +health/toughness/ability regen is pretty bonkers

[vivid ocean]

you could see the gears in his head moving

in slow motion

holy shit

can i disable matchmaking with console players but keep gamepass / steam / msoft store

[stable cypress]

Question regarding Plasma, before rework people were saying "Blaze Away + Gets Hot!" Is Blaze Away really better than Shattering Impact?

I've been testing in Psy, and Blaze Away's benefit doesn't seem that drastic unless you're just going absolute ham on spam fire. (And by the time you reach 5 stacks, it feels like it's almost always time to vent)

[devout atlas]

I run cknife on lawbringer with shout. Cloak doesn't play into melee that much, with Infiltrate always run the 90% threat reduction talent btw it practically gives you 10 seconds of effective invisibility

[celest vine]

No

Cope

[vivid ocean]

sad

should've votekicked him sooner

[devout atlas]

go find a fireteam in this very discord and have fun

[vivid ocean]

fml

[unique orchid]

Least toxic darktide player lmao

[devout atlas]

if you hate pubs you don't have to play them

[tall torrent]

I think middle keystone gives u even better breakpoints than pre-patch?

[ivory aurora]

Yeah I was using the revolver for the extra penetration

[tall torrent]

A little bit higher dmg?

[celest vine]

Plenty of people are willing to play private games

[ivory aurora]

I’ll have to try the shot guns out.

[celest vine]

Maybe?

Idk the new tree is a day old

[unique orchid]

I think at full stacks its 20%

[vivid ocean]

honestly i didnt understand why some people would auto votekick

now i do

[celest vine]

Thats it?

[celest vine]

20%?

The first perk gives that

[tall torrent]

Plus the 7.5% if u run redirect fire

[celest vine]

[worthy sonnet]

Really wish the ranged specialist buff started when you begin shooting, not when you swap to the weapon. Makes shit super clunky where you have to make sure your gun is reloaded before you swap to your melee or you just waste the buff

[tall torrent]

Or if you run 8 stacks

[unique orchid]

Oh right i wasnt factoring the additionals

[vivid ocean]

that's why the subnode exists

[devout atlas]

I would not go cknife + revy. You're sabotaging any and all horde-clear which will absolutely bite you in the ass. Psykers can run the exact same build better because they have Creeping Flames and/or Assail to carry them in the horde clear department. Your shredders are far too precious to use on hordes.

[mental sun]

brittleness = reduced armour. Plasma doesn't really care about armour anyway.

[tall torrent]

That’s 32% on full stack tag
12% dmg buff + 1~4 stacks (up to 16% dmg)

[devout atlas]

If you want a defensive weapon with Revy go DClaw4

[tall torrent]

For your whole team

[worthy sonnet]

yeah i dont want to spend the time that my gun is buffed reloading

[stable cypress]

Does it actually just straight up ignore armour?

[tall torrent]

Middle tree lost the 15% elite

[vivid ocean]

im not talking about the reload speed* node, im talking about the reload on melee kill

[devout atlas]

Shovel is a good alternative too.

[celest vine]

Ngl the fact that you need to spend 24 points to make that happen is really rough

[tall torrent]

But it’s technically still got +12% dmg against every enemy for your whole team
And up to 32% if you get full 8 stacks onto an enemy

[tall torrent]

It is really rough but it hits hard

[ivory aurora]

Ok. I’m off to go spend a fortune on a shovel to try it

[tall torrent]

I think it’s balanced that way

Super high point investment but big dmg

[celest vine]

Glass cannon mode

[jade night]

Shovel is life

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily ?

I don’t think you necessarily need the 0.25s stamina regen nodes if you take the toughness/stamina regen from tag keystone

[devout atlas]

Shovels are incredibly difficult to get a good roll on, if you're strapped for cash go for DClaw4 first if you don't have one already as any old DClaw4 is likely good enough, but a shovel without The Good Shit is pretty mediocre

[devout atlas]

I don't even take the 0.25 on my Deadshot Lawbringer build, between every special shot I get a sliver of stamina enough to quickscope the horde

It's too big of a point investment, your solution is far better

[tall torrent]

I run this

[versed ermine]

What's your weapon loadout for that?

[devout atlas]

zamn bro got every keystone modifier

[jade night]

This is what I've settled on for shovel

[tall torrent]

I think it’s the best value over incremental passive gains

[jade night]

That's.. really close to my build

[south garnet]

this is a solid PS + plasma build

[unique orchid]

Now this is how you dig a trench through the damn poxwalkers

[devout atlas]

Honestly not bad. Decimator is the Gooooood Shit. Btw Shovel special headshot can stop Mutant charges and interrupts Crushers. Have fun wrecking havoc with arguably the most versatile melee in the game XD

[slow spade]

I'm skeptical of the value of the stam + toughness upgrade

[tall torrent]

That’s exactly what I’m running lmao

[slow spade]

I run this personally

[ivory aurora]

Ok

Thank you

[south garnet]

nice, almost identical to mine ha

[slow spade]

Longshot for the breakpoints 💪💪💪

Also I don't use demo team because the +1 nade every minute is fine for krak

Though I do agree shredder is a great complement with plasma

[devout atlas]

Np. Once you learn DClaw4 parries you'll have trouble letting it go. Btw if you aim below a Chaos Spawn while it's meleeing you and parry you'll consistently get headshots. Couple with Weakpoint talent and the boss DPS is higher than many guns XD

[tall torrent]

Middle keystone modifier priority (imo)

(General purpose)

1. Dmg
2. Stacks
3. Toughness/stamina

(Deadshot crit build)

1. Toughness/stamina
2. Dmg
3. Stacks

[devout atlas]

I wish Ogryn had a Devil Claw so bad

wait nvm

they do

Club slap is just better parry

[south garnet]

yea, parry that you can use on them from any angle and without them attacking you ha

oo a plague ogryn scaaary

[devout atlas]

I fucking love mk3 club

on my gunlug

[south garnet]

I still use the good ol mk 1

heard good things about mk 3

[devout atlas]

mk1 and mk2 go hard on non gunlug

mk3 is like ideal for gunlug

push attack light for single target

heavy chain with haymaker for hordeclear

Slap that boss around like you're the boss

[south garnet]

interesting, neat

[devout atlas]

Most people use knives but once I learned the way of mk3 gunlug

I never let go

[glass blade]

Damn these changes, I miss my Accatran 😦

[south garnet]

I have never been a fan of any of the knives tbh, even when butcher was the meta

[celest vine]

Two more perk points and I can have a keystone at have it work good

[devout atlas]

bro Recon lasgun is actually more usable now lmao

[glass blade]

For one brief, glorious moment it was good

[south garnet]

club good

bonk

[slow spade]

If I drop Survivalist, I get 2 more perk points 👀

[devout atlas]

Stabby knife is actually quite fun moveset wise, I actually rlly like BButcher for a non gunlug build though

[celest vine]

To be fair I could do that too

[devout atlas]

BButcher confident strikes is insanely tanky

[celest vine]

I got the resupply allies penance done

[south garnet]

I don't like BB inability to deal efficiently with carapace

[devout atlas]

I run it with GG

ez money

[south garnet]

Ahh

[slow spade]

Sadly plasma needs all the ammo help it can get :c

[frank basin]

rare team

[celest vine]

Infantry lasguns dont thankfully

[glass blade]

Not since they nerfed the rending talents for two patches in a row

[slow spade]

True

[devout atlas]

outside of Paul every Ogryn weapon is in a fantastic state rn

[delicate moat]

man, AM can be so much easier than normal damnation because teammates

[devout atlas]

Run it with left keystone and hit heads, you'll find it's damn good at that

[celest vine]

Actually yeah why the fuck do I have half the perks i have

I dont need the ammo perks

💀

[south garnet]

yea ogryn are well off. it helps that 1. they don't have many to balance, and 2. they're not shared between classes so FS doesn't get confused and go "uhh this talent with this blessing is busted! better nerf the gun for everyone!"

[glass blade]

But you see, sir, that would require me to aim

[devout atlas]

if you want an automatic that can deal with Crushers I run Agri IAG with weakpoint left tree, rending middle and brittleness right, half a mag to doink Crushers, not record breaking but good enough

[glass blade]

And as a counter argument I propose:

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[jade night]

What, you can't hit 75m sniper headshots with the plasma?

[celest vine]

After playing 5 damnation matches on the new map, i think the level of gunners and shotgunners is fun

[devout atlas]

if you can't aim play Ogryn or use another weapon. Recon lasguns are headshot dependent as fuck

[untold mulch]

God, I pray for a Hellgun so I can shoot Crushers without talent taxes🙏

[celest vine]

I loke it

We can have less snipers tho

[sharp ember]

anyone else feeling the ammo pickup adjustment? they reduced ammo crates and added more ammo stashes around

[celest vine]

Changing shit that didnt need changing

[south garnet]

it's not that bad, just requires slightly different tactics and thinking particularly heading into open areas

[untold mulch]

Ionly player a few matches

and all with braindead teammates that probably stole all ammo, sooo idk

[south garnet]

which is a GOOD thing, variety is good

[celest vine]

I told the malding apes to shoot them

[cloud leaf]

FEELS the exact same to me

[celest vine]

They were upset they couldnt just gorilla charge into hoards of shooters anymore

[devout atlas]

Mhm, Kickback is often hailed as OP by many players but you should give Lawbringer Vet a try and realise how you get 80% of the horde-clear of Kickback with more ammo and better anti shooter and anti HVT :D

[delicate moat]

[slow spade]

Keystone time UwU

[celest vine]

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[woeful hemlock]

Monke

[south garnet]

"nooo I can't aah what's dodge what's cover what's shoot mean, I ran into the open towards 12 gunners with no plan or utility to resolve the predicament, how could this have happened to me???"

[glass blade]

But nah in all seriousness if I'm gonna go with a precision build I'm rocking a helbore. I just liked rending Accatran because it was the closest fantasy to using a hotshot lasgun

And now its gone and I am sad

[celest vine]

My friends and I call those zealots and veterans gorillas

Or apes

[south garnet]

interesting, I haven't used a lawbringer since the new ones came out

[celest vine]

Only shield ogryn can get away with that

[sharp ember]

on paper, i think it's good because there's more ammo to find rather than potentially missing that entire crate

[celest vine]

Or charge ogryn

[devout atlas]

Precision builds actually work great with Recons due to their ability to get left keystone stacks extremely quickly lol

[jade night]

Okay, after several rounds .. I'm a convert. +9 stam is life now.

[devout atlas]

Try it. Ideally you want Scattershot and Flechette. Left keystone (one special shot can max out stacks lmfao) and quick scope with Deadshot. Absolutely fucks.

[woeful hemlock]

“Exhaustion? What’s that? Some kinda new fangled heresy?”

[glass blade]

I get that. Like I said, though, the main reason I liked rending accatran is because of the bullet hose feeling.

[jade night]

Combo it with Duck & Dive and laugh as you never run out, ever.

[glass blade]

Its not q viability thing

[celest vine]

Cardio for the god emperor

[devout atlas]

Then I recommend you give Columnus IAG a try with rending and brittleness talents.

[royal monolith]

is this the legendary ogryn only melee vet

[tall torrent]

Is kantrael shotgun worth using over Lawbringer

[south garnet]

Nice, sounds pretty fun I'll give it a go. I have a couple nice un-upgraded lawbringers collecting dust I've been waiting for a reason to pull out

[jade night]

It's also really fun with Melee Specialist.

[tall torrent]

I have a godroll kantrael shotgun on my vet

[proven pivot]

for what reason do you need so much stam

[south garnet]

sprint forever, block forever, deadshot forever

[carmine horizon]

I use Kantrael on zealot a lot and the high damage/Burn damage does absolutely destroy monstrosities, good stagger too

havent tried it on Vet, admittedly.

[devout atlas]

I find Kant works better on Zealot. Lawbringer has better effective range on HVT killing due to its tighter spread (always aim for heads and use Weakpoint talent), while the special has better horde-clear due to Deadshot and Vets weakpoint bonuses.

[glass blade]

I'll give it a look and in the mean time continue to huff hopium that they'll add an actual hotshot some day 😦

[jade night]

It started as a joke, slowly shaving down the amount of health and toughness I'm running to comfort levels and it just .. got outta hand.

[fiery meteor]

me too! Just stamina much better than hp or wounds. Wounds/health/tougness allows you to get hit more often. Stamina prevents you from getting hit.

[empty heron]

This. And then blame everyone and everything else after.

[proven pivot]

i can respect that

[devout atlas]

Graia IAG is very good too, slower fire rate but controllable enough to beam heads.

[jade night]

I'm still at 200 hp and well, I just try not to get hit

[fiery aurora]

Gunners are op so I'm going to continue not adapting and still expect to bumrush 10 gunners with a knife and come out fine

[sharp ember]

does stamina recovery from taking damage scale with max stamina? or is it flat

[frank ledge]

9 stam catachan gang

[fiery aurora]

Fuckers are basically bayonet charging Normany Beach

[devout atlas]

That said give it a try. You could push towards a more CQC melee oriented Vet with Kant shotty

[frank ledge]

party machine

[fiery meteor]

i actually also run 9 stamina and stamina regen on all 4 classes xD

[south garnet]

"these new spawns are so BROKEN dude the director is BUSTED"

[winged finch]

just gone 2 auric damnations in a row without manually reloading a single time, weapons specialist is unhinged, people who think keystones aren't worth it are insane

[glass blade]

I've also been trying to get a catachan shotgun/machete build with infiltrate going but every time I try it I end up eating shit as soon as I close to melee

[south garnet]

From the things I heard in here I expected the new mission to be absolute misery but it was way easier than I expected lmao

[devout atlas]

I like how hard the new mission is. Feels so refreshing.

[fiery aurora]

Wep specalist is actually hot AF. My +25% melee speed knoife is giving me carpal tunnel

[south garnet]

I like that rush of urgency at the beginning

[empty heron]

Which weps you running with?

[south garnet]

I hope they crank up the intensity of the last stand though

[velvet wraith]

It pains me to say it but the bolt gun might have to get replaced by the snub revolver or shotgun

[winged finch]

plasma, PS

[sharp ember]

ah i wish we had a proper choppy machete, it would be adjacent to tac axes i guess

[devout atlas]

Totally depends on your luck, I've had runs that were smooth but some of the hardest moments I had in Darktide were already had in the new map

[frank island]

The middle keystone with extra stacks makes deleting specials quite easy

[fiery aurora]

Catachan sword with +36% damage and +200% cleave is basically a machete

[celest vine]

I dont want to give up my godroll lasgun

[devout atlas]

You could use Ext Weapon Customisation mod to make axes look like swords. I made my Rashad 2 into a 2h psword and it actually fits XD

[celest vine]

I hope the vet tree looses some weight

[jade night]

A buddy of mine went weapon specialist just to never reload his plasma.

[south garnet]

Nice, I've more or less been playing it exclusively, initially intentionally to try it out and then just through luck via quickplay. Definitely had about 50:50 w/l so far, I like that it's mixed up certain dynamics shared between basically all previous maps

[frank ledge]

veterans need an ogrynomicon

[fiery aurora]

wdym, you don't like picking +3% suppression nodes?

[sharp ember]

i would but i prefer drip that i can force others to see

[frank ledge]

cadiagonmicon

[winged finch]

tbh the tree isn't that heavy, it's just that executioners and marksmans focus are both kinda shit

[south garnet]

(usually I play auric dam)

[devout atlas]

just post it on the discord everyday like me

[glass blade]

The big problem i run into with my Catachan build is special clearance. I can clear hordes like nothing but anyone can do that. Meanwhile I'm sitting there hitting one gunner for like 10 seconds

[fiery aurora]

When can I dual wield 'volvers

[south garnet]

not counting quickplays I've spawned into where I loaded into "you failed the emperor!" which would be indicative of a much higher failure rate lol

[celest vine]

Too many of the must have perks are too far away

The must have perks are arguably better than the keystones

[devout atlas]

@sharp ember check it

[winged finch]

only if you're trying to make executioners/marksman build

if you're playing on the right/middle trees theres enoguh points

[fiery aurora]

Melee build op. Just take melee side and forget survialist aura exists

[inland moat]

is that one perk that's supposed to make you take less damage still broken to make you take more damage

[sharp ember]

i'm imagining it with the axe overhead chopping and it's so silly

[celest vine]

We didnt tell fatshark about it 4 months in advance, next parch

[sharp ember]

yes, probably, it wasn't mentioned to be fixed

[devout atlas]

you actually still hold on to the sword grip, only immersion break is running anim and inspect anim

[nova sun]

wait what perk makes you take more damage lol

[sharp ember]

fatshark love their undocumented changes, so i've half a mind to grief a match by taking it to see if it still doesn't work

[south garnet]

guy plays class called veteran sharpshooter
finds out the only good builds are about carrying bullets, telling other people to shoot people, and hitting people with a sharp object face to face
try as he might, discovers that he cannot play a sharpshooter as a sharpshooter

[sharp ember]

exhilarating takedown, they forgot to inverse the value

[south garnet]

he takes solace in that he can put band aids on his friends

[celest vine]

Isnt it as easy as changing one symbol?

[sharp ember]

i mean, it used to work so i’ll blame their spaghetti code and not any malicious incompetence

[celest vine]

At least its not the creation engine

[glass blade]

You'd think, but as a computer science major:
Lolno

[spark helm]

So far, haven't had much of a struggle with the new changes. Need to switch up some things and farm for some new weapons since I'm really liking how right tree is feeling rn. Tag shooter feels fine like it always has tbh it's whatever and middle styles is middle style because it's practically impossible for middle tree to be lacking with how this game is built in the first place.

After actually playing, gonna say it: mfkers need to change the diaper. It's not that bad.

[mystic escarp]

It kills me that no one picks only in death does duty ends

[spark helm]

Only thing I don't like is the expensiveness of the talents, whatever.

That's it.

[south garnet]

it literally is, in a single line of code, which was located and pointed out on the forums. per catfish it's 'being worked on' over there, so I assume that means they've left that line of code open for editing for several weeks now. I assume FS is trying to figure out what the funny symbols on the calculator app are

[nova sun]

damn lol

[snow pendant]

from my testing middle and right keystone easiest to use , middle turns u into a toughness generator which pairs well with plasma
right keystone is all about crit weapons like revolvers or anything u run with surgical
left keystone that is about headshot is just harder headshots for weapon builds to achieve that 1 shot headshot breakpoints i guess

TLDR : i dont prefer left keystone because it requires almost perfect build weapons and headshots often with minimal movement , which is bad when is a horde shooter

[celest vine]

Keystones are not that great

[spark helm]

I mean they don't really need to be. Vet is inherently stable.

[celest vine]

The most usable one should be a perk not a whole keystone

Iron will is a better keystone basis than spotting

[south garnet]

I agree, I actually kinda dig the new tree. The gray nodes in the middle need their quantity cut in half, and also ideally made to bridge the lower part of the tree at 2 intersections as well

[spark helm]

It's whatever for now. If they change it they change it but so far I'm actually enjoying this at the moment. Right tree is infinitely more interesting to mess with now.

[south garnet]

If they did that, everything would be resolved

[valid apex]

Isn’t spotting GG for monstrosities?

[elder vessel]

The W of snagging a T4 Full Bore for Kantrael shottie

The L of having a 373 Shotgun BRICKED cuz everything else SUCKED

[snow pendant]

anything u tag with max stacks will die very ahrd

[slow spade]

For most things

[glass blade]

The left keystone is just kinda inherently dumb because it encourages an openly suicidal and cohesion breaking playstyle

[slow spade]

It turns gunners into 1-shots on body

Very comfy

[winged finch]

again, Weapons Specialist, even more powerful than the old Sustained Fire (or w/e it was called, the insta-reload and 60% on ult L30 trait)

[fiery aurora]

T4 Full Bore slugs make me half mast

[snow pendant]

and if it dies u get dmg buff for 10 sec, toughness and stam refill

[glass blade]

They should just change it from standing still to ADS

[fresh dome]

Used to love the talent born leader but it as been removed

[slow spade]

A team-wide one too

[candid bridge]

Has bleeds dmg always been affected by armor type?

[slow spade]

Since release

[snow pendant]

headshot keystone is just daft , dont move and rack headshots for higher headshot crit dmg

is so ass

[snow pendant]

very pug friendly

[sharp ember]

affected by perks on your current held weapon too

[snow pendant]

kill the thing ur vet yellow tag and everyone that stays near him gets benefits

simple enough

[slow spade]

Indeed, I'm considering dropping Confirmed Kill for it

[devout atlas]

It only works with specific weapons, but on the weapons it works on its extremely good and doesn't run into the problem you encounter at all.

[celest vine]

One build got an upgrade and everyone else got nerfed

[spark helm]

I haven't figured out certain stuff yet but tbh I think the bigger problem rn with some ppl is just, the stuff that you could get away with before with the travel nodes specifically did the rest of the work for having survivability be more passive.

Left tree to me...isn't really all that bad. The biggest difference I've felt is that at least for my builds, I literally have to add more rhythm to my shooting. And more often than not, I'm still maintaining the safe positions I've had to in the past to be an asshole with a lasgun getting headshots. I'm genuinely struggling to understrand how obsessed some people are with the left keystones mechanics.

[celest vine]

Wouldnt call that a good move

[devout atlas]

Remember you get 3 seconds to fuck about between kills and passive regen is very forgiving

[snow pendant]

as long there is elites and special to tag that keystone is nothing but benefits , the vet can refresh the buff if he tags another one fast enough after the first kill

is a no brainer

[spark helm]

Maybe it's just my weapon loadout and intent with my builds that make it not an issue since I'm mostly just using infantry lasguns on my shooter builds.

[celest vine]

Discount zealot went from 60% off to 50% off,

[glass blade]

Its more the encouragement to stand still that is the issue. Like, who thought that was a good idea in a game where standing still means death?

[gusty bison]

So. The marking keystone just let me carry a psyker and zealot that couldnt stop taking damage through the new mission events lol

As it turns out 10% toughness every second is a lot xD

[spark helm]

Yes.

[gusty bison]

(I was using plasma)

[snow pendant]

i just dont see any reason to take the headshot keystone unless u are min maxing a 1 shot headshot build

[spark helm]

People literally sleep on that talent all the time.

[winged finch]

again, I'm pretty sure you're tunnel-visioning on Executioners and Marksman Focus, and then making a generalisation based on those specific things, which are admittedly awful

[sharp ember]

i really like toughness pinata tagging

[spark helm]

It's legit amazing if your tempo is consistent. You just feed people stuff by being present, which is what vet has always excelled at.

[gusty bison]

Im running that and 15% toughness on allies within 3m on elite kill and shout.

[celest vine]

Middle tree too, 66% of your paths are mid or worse

[devout atlas]

Then don't. If you actively pop enemies back to back to back you can move freely. If you run Laspis, Recon or Lawbringer with it the benefits are huge and getting stacks extremely easy.

[celest vine]

Its not generalizing

[devout atlas]

You're using it wrong tldr

[celest vine]

💀

[snow pendant]

it pairs very well with it since u can just pay toughness to vent it and u can keep doing it as long u got ammo and things to tag

[spark helm]

Precisely. You just don't not provide. It's great.

[winged finch]

? middle tree is fine

[gusty bison]

And i just see them lose toughness tk rager, tag, shoot. Blam suddenly their tpughness is near full again

[devout atlas]

Anyway toodles gamers

[gusty bison]

Its SUPER nice with plasma

[devout atlas]

Middle tree is fine

[south garnet]

Largely I think it's misunderstanding. 1. from the player side, how it works in practice, and 2. perhaps both player side AND FS' side, what guns it's written to be good for, and which guns it ACTUALLY synergizes well with in practice

[celest vine]

It went from good to alright

[spark helm]

Okay, I'm just going to say it: if mfkers are struggling with middle tree in auric, you need to just get better.

[gusty bison]

Cos you do not give a fuck what is in the way. The plasma is getting there

[south garnet]

Laspistol for instance works great with left keystone

[spark helm]

It's literally the cornerstone of what's good in this game overall.

[devout atlas]

Middle tree is the "slap this on any build and it will always work"

[spark helm]

You have to legit be shitting yourself to be underperforming with middle tree.

[devout atlas]

you literally can't go wrong

[snow pendant]

bring shout for emergency when u got nothing to tag and basically anyone stays near u dont go down at all from being dmged

[celest vine]

The issue is it costs too much to progress

[devout atlas]

that's the way it's designed

[spark helm]

At the highest levels barring team coordination and everything else like come the fuck on.

[gusty bison]

Yep

[forest blaze]

First glance, my same build is better with focus and I don’t lose much

[gusty bison]

Its super good team support.

You actually feel like a combat medic lmao

[celest vine]

You forget vet tree is the most expensive point wise in the game

Thats what the issue is

[gusty bison]

Yea i wont mind saving 3 talent points

[spark helm]

Dude I straight up don't care honestly. The power of middle tree just puts you in such a stable place that I'm not worried if I'm not able to branch out like before. I literally don't need to and further to the point your weapon loadouts and playstyle is what boosts it.

Mioddle tree has to be sabotaged to be bad

[south garnet]

Delete half the travel nodes in the middle of the tree, and join the bottom half of the tree at 2 more points, bam it's perfect

[celest vine]

Too fat tree

[devout atlas]

You don't even need team coordination, in practice the stacks regen so quick you can pop any odd special for the toughness/damage boost to be up constantly and always have it there for a handy boss DPS boost.

[snow pendant]

is nice with plasma because at max charge ur plasma will hit that tag unless behind a wall and the toughness benefits pays for the plasma to keep going , by letting u vent with no fear

[spark helm]

No shade to you specifically. It's a skill issue if mfker are bitching this much for middle tree of all things.

[gusty bison]

Even uncharged vs a lot of threats a headshot kills

[spark helm]

Straight up, play better, you have everything you need to reduce failure in middle tree.

Practice or something lmao

[celest vine]

The middle tree is good, just costs way more than it used to for the same thing

[gusty bison]

And ye it negates venting cost

[spark helm]

Again I just

Never gave a fuck about that

[gusty bison]

Also venting hurts u. Which allows your born leader to proc

[south garnet]

I'll admit to this: my first match using this ability was pretty decent and I used it regularly, but as soon as a boss showed up I completely forgot I had it and never tagged it lmao

[celest vine]

Inflation is affecting the fucking perk points

[gusty bison]

So u heal ur allies even more

Lmao

[spark helm]

Because I'm just going to be fine running middle tree with solid weapons.

I don't have to think.

[devout atlas]

The chat bitchers have logged on, go to #ogryn-class to chill with people who actually play the game instead of scrubs that struggle on Heresy and spend more time complaining.

[snow pendant]

i feel like an inspiring commanding commisar , i order the team to kill specific thing , thing dies everyone gets inspired and gets charged with buffs like building confidence

[fiery aurora]

The cost of darktide talent living has gone up lmao

[south garnet]

"keystones? in THIS economy?!"

[spark helm]

Like, I get it with the talent costs but I'm not even gon lie

[gusty bison]

Aye.

I will say its prolly worse with some other weapons

[celest vine]

Well atoma is the detroit of the moebian domain

[leaden grove]

raise the level cap by 5

[celest vine]

[spark helm]

The keystones at this rate just compesnate for not being able to branch that hard lmao

[gusty bison]

But holy shit with plasma chef kiss

[devout atlas]

I have tag bound to m2 so I pretty much use it constantly and idgaf. You regen stacks so quickly that not using it at every opportunity is lowkey wasteful

[spark helm]

And even if you don't take it, YOU'RE A FUCKING VETERAN YOU'RE FINE

[tiny summit]

Like my shout plasma vet build is still almost the same as what I had before

[spark helm]

I haven't struggledl ike this since the update beyond me needing to just get some other guns to try out newer shit

I don't know how ppl are having these meltdowns.

[slow spade]

Yeah I mainly want the "toughness over time" effect of Confirmed Kill as that can help with chip damage

[devout atlas]

"OH boo hoo Vet has more talents than any other class" mf it's called options, we simply have more of them.

[slow spade]

But team wide buff 🤔

[fiery aurora]

Strongest Veteran player vs Weakest Psykermynuts player

[south garnet]

yea it's handy. even if the team ignores it, makes it easier for you to BTFO it too, so never wasted effort

[spark helm]

no bs I'm actually confident in saying that I am good at this game so it's just diaper baby weewee shit to me if folk are having this much of a problem in aurics as their metric.

[snow pendant]

it pairs well with weapons that has high burst like helbores , plasma , boltgun , revolver to a certain extend las rifle if u can headshot

i just think plasma benefit the most because max charge will let u hit tags behind meat walls , and it pays you toughness to keep going

[forest blaze]

8 focus talent worth it?

[south garnet]

YES

[spark helm]

Personally wouldn't but it's not like it's a bad thing depending.

[tiny summit]

"But I want this and this and this and this and this!? And if I don't have all those things that's killing the diversity"

[slow spade]

Synergies super well

[fiery aurora]

Next darktide update adds aim_ak_m4 to darktide map pool

[celest vine]

You only need damage

[devout atlas]

If half you mfs spent more time in game than complaining in discord and spawning enemies in Psykatorium you'd maybe realise Vet is a hell of a lot more fun now

[neon briar]

wow we are in the presence of some pro gamers here

[spark helm]

Right tree is amazing now.

[neon briar]

im impressed

[snow pendant]

this is just me but i dont worry about chip dmg unless u are just standing there taking hits or a wild sniper , which u should have resistance against with curio

[spark helm]

It's so much more robust

[forest blaze]

My concern for 8 focus is how fast focus actually generates and how fast you are retagging

[south garnet]

Right tree will for sure get nerfed. It feels like actual cheating

[umbral scaffold]

@sacred elk @empty ember which one of you did i meet last match as my gun psycher?

[spark helm]

It's just that vet didn't really have the same kind of speedy burst at least not how I built mine back then.

[south garnet]

Makes me feel icky like using surge with EP pre-patch

lol

[willow badger]

Tell me what to believe is right tree now stacked

[snow pendant]

8 focus point refils toughness and stam and stonger dmg buff , basically synergize with everything in the keystone

[celest vine]

Gonna repost the next update

[empty ember]

i dont play psyker

[devout atlas]

It's kinda funny because I find it okay? Like it's not OP IMHO. I see people posting vids of it and I just think "Okay? You can do the same on Gaze Psyker too"

[umbral scaffold]

no im saying i was spcyher

[forest blaze]

But are you finding yourself actually using the 8 stacks in AM consistently?