veteran-class

[cinder adder]

On Auric Maelstrom Damnation, most times it is a matter of when, not if

[dusk idol]

and voc without revive is still very valuable in picking people up

[vocal terrace]

also did they implement a middle mouse shortcut that if you press it twice it sends out a location ping?

[dapper agate]

if only the auras actually mattered, like apart from surv and the damage reduction aura they're all pretty mid or do basically nothing.

[weak fiber]

I thought they didn't want pidgeon holing to the extreme in the class overhaul

[hearty panther]

Its a ping key shortcut

[fathom edge]

i like to think im ok at shooters but i really struggle landing consistent headshots on small head targets in this game

[arctic nova]

I play Auric Maelstrom damn all the time, it's fine

[cinder adder]

I also use it to give toughness all the time

[hearty panther]

I am wanting to disable it lol

[vital saddle]

oh for sure just boils down to what ur putting ur last point into voice of command revive or covering fire

[slow spade]

to be fair, the psyker cooldown aura puts you near 100% uptime in maelstroms

its funny

[fathom edge]

except revolver, revolver super easy to headshot

[vital saddle]

if ur doing a full support vet build

[vocal terrace]

so they implement a capstone that incentives spam while also adding additional clutter for spamming?

lmao

[quaint cliff]

well lads, did like 4-5 missions and can safely say the shouty swingy vet is safe and still there

[hearty panther]

Go to Options > Input scroll to bottom

[vocal terrace]

what fatshark wants and what they end up implementing are often different

[waxen lark]

Just mark the targets, soldier

[vocal terrace]

thanks

[vivid ocean]

i thought left side keystone maintained stacks on melee weakspot kills

[weak fiber]

Oh god I'm fully aware considering I've been playing since vtide 1

[vivid ocean]

and weakspot hits

[hearty panther]

Single and Double Tap shortcuts. It's nice but the headsup would have been nicer cause I was very confused for an entire match

[vital saddle]

aka this or this are both viable choices

[dusk idol]

does covering fire give you toughness back if you're within 5 meters of the target?

[vivid ocean]

it does not

[vocal terrace]

if they didn't want the vet to feel pidgeonholed they should have made the distance to capstones feel similar to that of other classes

[vivid ocean]

left side is garbage

[slow spade]

yes

[vital saddle]

not sure if it does but even if it doesnt its still a massive dmg bonus to allies

[slow spade]

the only good left talents are near the bottom...

[vivid ocean]

yeah

the only good capstone is right

[proper delta]

Always Prepared is amazing for slug shotgun

[vivid ocean]

but its on the fucking right side

[dusk idol]

might have to try it out with a shotgun

[hearty panther]

The faithful in shambles

[vivid ocean]

melee vet can oneshot bosses?

[fallen geyser]

So after some testing I find the new keystones.....eh...

[vivid ocean]

im interested

[weak fiber]

Melee veteran that knows their shit can out-kill a zealot

[dusk idol]

i finally broke 1k hours in darktide

[vocal terrace]

its more that I have to rebuild all of my classes because the entire layout got changed

[random cedar]

@proper delta I saw it too and knew my shotgun build could make a comeback

[dusk idol]

gonna go touch some grass brb

[vivid ocean]

yes but i need the thrill of the oneshot kill

can i oneshot bosses

[vocal terrace]

capstones are majority shit though

[still flare]

What do you run on your axe?

[proper delta]

bro trust it is so good i literally have not picked up ammo since patch

[dusk idol]

purge the heretic?

[vital saddle]

Im correct in assuming revive speed curios dont give assist speed right

[dusk idol]

for like helping people up if they fall of a ledge, don't think so

[sharp epoch]

uhh do you have to do the revolver shot to do that

okok

[fallen geyser]

Oooh what's this about shotguns?

[vital saddle]

Think i've managed a build im happy with

[quasi grotto]

what's the veteran chat consensus on the sharpshooter keystone

[still flare]

Yeah even with one kill you can insta reload one shot in revolver

[vivid ocean]

left side? its kinda ass imo

[vital saddle]

sadly wont have the kill potential i had before but ill live

[dusk idol]

crab walk

[vivid ocean]

id take middle or right

before left

[random cedar]

Always Prepared under the right side keystone putting ammo back in your weapon on melee kill stacks

[vivid ocean]

its so bad

[junior needle]

Eh, pretty shit without the usability tax talent that gives you stacks for standing still or crouchwalking. Finesse boost makes it very limited in effectiveness for guns without hueg base mods for crit/weakspot already.

[fallen geyser]

Oooooh! Hadn't thought of that!

[vital saddle]

shame my krak build only has 2 kraks and shedder build only has 3

[random cedar]

Essentially, you can have ammo always in your weapon enough to take out priority specials and such

Pretty usefull.

[vivid ocean]

i dont want to have to headshot 4 poxwalkers to then stand still and shoot shit

[dusk idol]

2 kraks hurts

[umbral scaffold]

is exhilerating takedown good to use?

or is it bugged?

[dusk idol]

no

[quasi grotto]

damn no side thing I just missed and it really is just complete ass?

[dusk idol]

still bugged

[hearty panther]

I feel like the reload speed node being right under the insta-load a % of your ammo on draw is a bit redundant.

[vital saddle]

it does indeed but 2 points to get to an extra nade hurts more

[vivid ocean]

still bugged

[fallen geyser]

ET still bugged?

Bugger

[dusk idol]

it's just squishier and lost some damage

[vivid ocean]

you will take +10% toughness damage per stack

[dusk idol]

otherwise still fine

[vital saddle]

rather have all of this over the extra krak

[fallen geyser]

That explains a lot lol

[hearty panther]

They should probs be side by side and not interdependent.

[burnt flame]

so close

[hearty panther]

Also make it stack lmao

[vital saddle]

Thats my full build

for both kraks and shredders

[hearty panther]

Gimme like 50% reload speed on full stacks

Make it fkn crazy

At least Dreyko is exciting now

[dusk idol]

tried it in a game yet?

[winter ingot]

wow smh melk look at this shit sword he gave me cant even be all 80s

shit sword

not all 80s

[hearty panther]

Yeah but the whole map used to be lame so (:

[winter ingot]

smh

[fallen geyser]

Bastard lol

[livid monolith]

missed it when you could glitch run the whole shebang in less than 10 minutes

[vital saddle]

nope but basically the same build i ran last patch just without covering fire shout revive as i took elite dmg and bigger they are

[dusk idol]

still usaable, just change the perks

[dusk idol]

when you try it out lmk how it goes, if you're not running iron will though i get the feeling you're gonna feel like you're very squishy

[abstract lily]

Vet be like

https://youtu.be/wZv62ShoStY?si=yAhiiyxK-lGm-Oel&t=91

[proper delta]

running this give it a shot

shotgun build

[austere blade]

That build looks cursed to me

But then again I was never much of a shotgunner

[sharp brook]

Who did this rework and show me on the doll where the Veteran hurt you.

[austere blade]

I bet it was the same guy who did the original class Penances with how much mental contortionism needs to be practised

[junior needle]

Yep, that'll teach me to get my hopes up. Can confirm that weapons specialist functions contrary to its description and absolutely doesn't persistently give you that much crit chance for the 5s.

[hearty frigate]

Mortal combat fatality combo input

[tall torrent]

It’s crit chance on the first shot I believe

[sharp brook]

This rework is nucking futs. Why do we have 100 talents compared to other classes 80?

[thick rose]

for revolver with always prepared, does crucian roulette interact?

[unkempt lagoon]

We'd be too powerful

They need to divide us

together, we'd conquer the world

[junior needle]

That's what someone else said and it seems that way. So gigabuff to revolver and dogshit for automatics.

[austere blade]

Crucian Roulette is dependent on how many bullets are left in your cylinder, not your reserve ammo

[tall torrent]

Crucian roulette is pretty bad

[austere blade]

Wait which one is Always Prepared again

[thick rose]

reload off melee kills

so you never manually reload and just have 1-3 shots

[austere blade]

Okay I thought that one was the 25% ammo

[vocal terrace]

I mean it should have the max crit chance bonus with it

[manic badger]

for the right tree capstone does the crit chance stack? like if i have 3 stacks of ranged specialist when i swap to my ranged weapon will i have 99% crit for 5 seconds?

[proper delta]

drastically reduces the time you spend reloading with the shotgun provided you play melee like a crazy person

[vital saddle]

for sure but then i just swap demo team for it

[atomic zephyr]

out of everything im just glad warp traveller and nightsider are in the music rotation

[vast flame]

Veteran feels poopy again after this update

[atomic zephyr]

just use braced auto lol

[junior needle]

I got excited and thought it gave you free ammo.

[austere blade]

Ya I thought it was the left branch talent that gives you 25% reserve ammo

I hate it lol

[junior needle]

I'd say that'll teach me to read descriptions but the talent its attached to doesn't even function like the description states.

[minor brook]

why do people like kantrael ix

the fire round does nothing

[golden axle]

yall see the no heat bug on plasma gun?

[minor brook]

like the slug shotgun actually seems good

[austere blade]

Dragonbreath shells are awesome obviously

[minor brook]

it is but it also does like 3 damage

[junior needle]

Oh, that's also called always prepared, LEMAO

[austere blade]

I KNEW IT

[frank ether]

by the time you get it you have 2 (3 if lasgun) ammo passives that its just silly

[vocal terrace]

easier close range spam and damage for people who don't aiming

[frank ether]

with helbores I dont even lose ammo

[austere blade]

Yeh but I have to have more ammo if I want to deal more damage to Elites. My entire job as Veteran.

[frank ether]

that I genuinely think if you're doing like infiltrate marksman meme you can just dump survivalist and go speed aura or whatever for pathing

like you have so much ammo it does not matter on a lasgun

[junior needle]

Think I'm just gonna go back to playing ogryn until they do the vet tree justice. Again.

[minor brook]

on shotgun what do you guys go

[fathom edge]

so i should have 10+5+21=36% base crit chance right?

[minor brook]

mid tree or right tree?

[obsidian gust]

i did both left and mid

max dmg so far

[junior needle]

Make sure you take deadshot for shotguns

[tall torrent]

Which gun is this

[midnight mortar]

Veteran's base crit chance is 5%.

[fathom edge]

isnt vets 10?

[minor brook]

idk whether to go infiltrate or voice

[junior needle]

used to be, not anymore

[tall torrent]

5%

[fathom edge]

so 31% then

[devout bone]

anything to help with having Vet be a bit more tanky?

[junior needle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

[blissful fractal]

Defending the imperium with my lasgun, just as the god emp intended.

[junior needle]

recon
rip

[atomic zephyr]

the veteran-ly urge to buy the steel legion gear but i dont like spending money on cosmetics :(

[sterile phoenix]

Shotgun build?

[atomic zephyr]

Yes

[spark hamlet]

Shuvl

[sterile phoenix]

Any suggestions for kantrael?

[golden axle]

wait for free ones soon

[spark hamlet]

Also shuvl

[autumn perch]

Vet chat how we feeling with the new talent tree??)

[atomic zephyr]

the free ones from the anneversary? no cool jacket, i sleep

[unkempt lagoon]

see what you can sacrifice to grab the tanky talents

[golden axle]

vital things spread around too much, needs to be tightened and some nodes removed/moved

so... annoying.

[urban adder]

seems worse. key stones are clunky.

[autumn perch]

Hmm I see

[tall torrent]

This keystone update really immerses you into the true imperial guard experience where you constantly get overwhelmed by enemies

[midnight mortar]

Keystones are better off ignored due to the extremely high tax cost for minimal benefit.

[autumn perch]

[devout bone]

Issue is Talent tree takes up so many nodes. Hard to mix sometimes without tax nodes in the way. Feels like your only option in taking hits is going strictly down middle tree

[unkempt lagoon]

could you post your tree

[tall torrent]

Middle & right are decently good

[autumn perch]

Seen a lot of vets running focus target tho

[golden axle]

melee focused vet or bust right now anyway

[autumn perch]

Seems like ppl like that one

[mellow grove]

How I feel about this update

[unkempt lagoon]

focus target is the easiest to build rn arguably

[fierce cloak]

im really happy to see new vets crab walking around

[blissful fractal]

?

[austere blade]

Man I can't even one-shot the Tox Flamers anymore. This is balls.

[serene bough]

True

[tall torrent]

Primarily because it’s one of the only 2 keystones you can visibly see someone using in the game (other being martyrdom, indicated by high wounds)

[blissful fractal]

I like the recon quite a bit

Its fun

[unkempt lagoon]

martyrdom vet

oh i see what you mean

[autumn perch]

Lmfao

[junior needle]

The line is enjoyable to use, but (very) sadly sucks numerically and has for most of the games lifespan. The only acceptably usable one (6d) is only being kept somewhat alive by the talent tree.

[umbral scaffold]

how does the crit chance work on weapon specialist?

[autumn perch]

So update not good then

[umbral scaffold]

is it 33% crit chance regardless of stacks?

[tall torrent]

Only first shot

[umbral scaffold]

ooo

[tall torrent]

33% per stack

[golden axle]

middling

[tall torrent]

3 stacks is 99%

For first shot

[obtuse dawn]

Yeah it sucks

[proper delta]

right tree rn and always prepared is actually good for shotgunning right tree

[spark arrow]

6d ammo econ is atrocious was hoping shock trooper would work with it again post patch. still infrequent registration

[unkempt lagoon]

is it really 33% per stack

[autumn perch]

Map is cool tho

[obtuse dawn]

For one shot

[golden axle]

it stacks additively or multiplicatively?

[unkempt lagoon]

I thought we all thought it was a typo

[spark arrow]

no has to be a typo. think its 3.3

[tall torrent]

Additive

[blissful fractal]

i have it at 80% damage

[proper delta]

this is really good for slug shotty

[frank ether]

now that its actually relevant, does anyone know how the fuck skirmisher works?

[blissful fractal]

So Im chillin

[echo sky]

what's the go to perk/blessings combo for the MG la infantry? Deadly Accurate - Headhunter?

[golden axle]

yes

[obtuse dawn]

It's a worse version of the psyker true aim imo

[south garnet]

alright after doing a few builds and playing with the new tree, I actually don't hate it

even taking keystones

[echo sky]

thanks

[old quartz]

I didnt use the keystones before but the new ones look not very good

[autumn perch]

Elaborate

[junior needle]

It works, it's just been purposefully gimped. Only applies to the first crit in a crit string from the looks of it. It's hard to tell because of how fast the gun fires though.

[south garnet]

there's some bullshit like separating elite and ogryn damage, and still plenty of tax nodes, but it's not too bad so far

[unkempt lagoon]

ET still not fixed

[south garnet]

the new abilities seem pretty nice, and they decrease how heavily I leaned on prior nodes that got nerfed

[frank ether]

Vet needs like 4 more talent points and ET fix

[spark arrow]

thats what i mean. 6d ammo econ is so bad that it would need to be reverted for it to be usable imo

[junior grail]

I do like the new keystones, what i don't like is that it takes so many points to reach them

[autumn perch]

What that

[austere blade]

At least I can two-shot Reapers now, that's kinda cool

[blissful fractal]

better lasgun?

[south garnet]

confirmed kill's lackluster new version is partially made up for by new ways to gain and maintain toughness

[tall torrent]

Middle keystone good

[south garnet]

but yea, still too many points to get to keystones

[spark arrow]

the 7a recon lasgun works with shock trooper though, its "ok"

[crude wind]

confirmed kill at 30% is going to feel so much better when we can also take Exhilerating Takedown next to it

[south garnet]

other than the point sinks, the new tree isn't bad

[austere blade]

I've heard the Mk Ia and IV lasguns are the ways to go now because their damage values have been buffed up, but I'm still a Mk XII enjoyer

[crude wind]

i.e. when they fix it next patch

[junior needle]

Having a maxed damage stat isn't enough I'm afraid. A fine example of this is the recon 2, where an 80% gray gun has sub-500 dps to mutants. Some guns are just very poorly tuned baseline.

[real pumice]

Hello, I was wondering if the Exhilarating Takedown talent is working?

[south garnet]

yep, and still have enough to take keystone subnodes for regen too, the vet feels a little tankier actually. Esp. the weapon swap toughness regain one is lol

[old quartz]

Steel legion guy would be using a vraks autogun im pretty sure

[autumn perch]

If they fix it next patch

[austere blade]

Could have a better perk, and that Deadly Accurate could be level 4, but she's carried me through some harsh levels

[junior needle]

nope, still bugged

[crude wind]

not yet

[crude wind]

i would bet money on it

[south garnet]

But, it still feels like it can be consolidated

[spark arrow]

nothing wrong with the XII but the Ia and the IV both out dps it. and their ammo pool was buffed to account for their faster fire rate so idk if you want to be optimal probably Ia is the easiest to use

[autumn perch]

What’s ET do again?

[real pumice]

Thank you. Helpful to know

[blissful fractal]

From what Ive seen they rock a lasgun

[south garnet]

or at least have travel nodes be shared between trees in the latter half, both for build diversity AND for tax reduction

[crude wind]

15% toughness regen 10% damage reduction x 3 on weakspot kill

[spark arrow]

its bugged you take more damage instead of reducing damage

[crude wind]

i know

he was asking what it does

[south garnet]

it's a feature that you take more damage actually

[old quartz]

they use both, from what ive seen and read they just use autoguns more

[spark arrow]

ok. cool was just trying to help

[crude wind]

all g dude

[proper delta]

im not unequipping it

[austere blade]

That's what I said, ya, but I'm actually more into the damage per shot value of the XII myself. Perhaps if I can one-shot more enemies with the Ia, I'll use it.

[junior needle]

k12 still has the highest pool of possible one shots, so if you're into a high precision playstyle it's still the go to. But yeah its regular dps is about 125~ lower than the 1a according to crab. He said 1a has 800, 4 has 750, k12 has 675.

[balmy terrace]

The Voss Pattern Lasgun is the Steel Legion standard issue lasgun iirc

[crude wind]

the 1a is sooooo fun

[blissful fractal]

However lasgun > autogun (I am a laser enjoyer and I will not elaborate)

[junior needle]

k12 is the highest damage variant so you definitely won't be one shotting more enemies.

[autumn perch]

Part 1 brings the Veteran tree rework

Part 2 will bring the other Veteran tree rework

[old quartz]

yeah, i prefer lasguns but ive got a soft spot for the vraks autogun

[spark arrow]

the Ia has been my all purpose workhorse since patch 14

[crude wind]

pewpewpewpewpew

zapzapzap

sick gun

love the reocil pattern on it as well

[spark arrow]

it just kicks a lot under fire 😦

[austere blade]

I'll reword that. If I can one-shot Shotgunners and Gunners, and possibly Flamers, with the Ia, I'll be inclined to use it over the XII

[proper delta]

what melee are you right tree guys running

[junior needle]

I mean, you probably can

[spark arrow]

you need a few steroids to get there

[blissful fractal]

So what is the best lasgun for someone with shit aim

[slow spade]

recon?

[junior needle]

I've been using the 4 because I don't like precision playstyles

[mellow grove]

mighty impressive backshots there

[slow spade]

I mean technically UwU

[austere blade]

With shit aim, the Accatran VId

[blissful fractal]

that is why I use it

[spark arrow]

PS6. im addicted. dont know how to use anything else at this point

[south garnet]

all of these little gray nodes in the middle should be condensed to half that, and should link the 3 branches

[frank ether]

if I could just take ET instead of spending like 6 points to get iron will I'd be happier

[junior needle]

I've been known to do things from behind.

[vivid ocean]

revolver already has buttloads of cc

why would they do this

[junior needle]

You don't need to wait for surgical with it

[vivid ocean]

oh right, they hate vet for some reason

i guess

[balmy terrace]

Ngl you could eliminate a lot of the 'operative modifier' talents (the grey ones with the generic icon) and the talent tree would be far nicer to navigate

[junior needle]

But yeah, revolver was already doing EXTREMELY good without it

[frank ether]

someone on dev team has revolver obsession

[proper delta]

because it buffs shotguns 🙂

[frank ether]

weapon specialist is basically designed for revolvo in mind

[austere blade]

I do love how quickly I remove Reapers and Mutants with my XII though, even without Volley Fire. I think the added DPS would be more noticeable on Maulers and bosses, but that's really it.

[frank ether]

the firerate buff is still very potent on automatics btw

[brave finch]

my darktide experience this patch thus far

[spark arrow]

dudes be acting like weapon fire rate doesnt help autos more than revolver or something

[brave finch]

oops this probably shouldve gone elsewhere

[junior needle]

Does the fire rate buff actually work for not just the first shot? Because the crit doesn't.

[uncut acorn]

Same though.

[terse shell]

god damn the new talents suck lmao

I thought it was just exaggeration but it really is bad

[frank ether]

the RoF persists

[brave finch]

ye i cant play the game atm unsure what happened

[frank ether]

you get 5 seconds of extra RoF so ammo go brrr

I'm not sure if that alone is really so huge for automatic though

[uncut acorn]

I've just been getting hit in the back way more often then what I'm use to. Even had 3 shield ogryns get just knocked in seconds.

[frank ether]

the real uplift from weapon specialist is like

you get one ranged kill

10 seconds of melee buff

so obviously just designed with revolver playstyle there

instant bar swap

get a kill

[junior needle]

Technically a dps increase but ammo usage remains the same. So eh, I guess it's a bonus if you're going for the melee playstyle.

[brave finch]

my entire game is just desynced, ive tried turning off mods and im going to verify game files rn but idk what the issue is

[frank ether]

back to melee

[terse idol]

Uhh

If it was the same issue I've had consult your ISP

But that is pretty niche

[idle dirge]

@formal lake what build are you using for rashad?

[terse idol]

The game constantly desyned for me, but I had a tech come in to check my internet and badaboom

No more desyncing in any game

[brave finch]

game ran fine before the update and im chilling in a vc with no issues, its odd

[frank ether]

I mean it does help you melt stuff faster in a panic but there is undeniable focus on making it pop on revolver

[brave finch]

but if all else fails ill look in that direction

[terse idol]

yee

[frank ether]

I noticed if anything the extra rof just makes me dump a lot of ammo for no reason because I'm not used to it

and I keep shooting long after shit is dead

few bullets wasted for each gunner

[spark arrow]

skill issue?

[frank ether]

who asked your opinion

[spark arrow]

its an open forum bud

[devout atlas]

Annoyed at being told Blood Letter is a bad blessing for CSword, just gave it a try for the fuck of it and it's amazing how many enemies the shred on CSword leaves on 10% health with the 14 stacks easily disposing of the remainder

[spark arrow]

i like it on csword

[small wraith]

animation leaves you vulnerable

[devout atlas]

I have shout and shredders to make that not an issue

[junior needle]

I assume the crit working as it does was simply a huge bungle given the description

[devout atlas]

also half a brain

unlike most of Vet chat

[small wraith]

okay

[idle dirge]

Talents but knowing the weapon too would be cool

[flint lake]

Is Glory Hunter BIS now for vets with the new tree?

[idle dirge]

Neat

[slow spade]

no because you shouldn't be hit ever UwU

so toughness is a dump stat 👍

[spark arrow]

if your running shout you shouldnt have big toughness problems

[cold shell]

any specific talents I should look for on a plsma build?

[slow spade]

here's mine

its near perfect, only missing 5% flak

[spark arrow]

plasma doesnt need flak

[cold shell]

I mean talents on the character, thanks for the buffs tho

[frank ether]

maybe it was a bug maybe intentional but other things also point towards it being generally very revolver focused, like the fact that they have been buffing revolver patch after patch and you have the keystone modifier that adds +1 to your revolver which is enough to quickswap and nuke a crusher.

I guess 5 round slow reload gun in a horde shooter so it makes sense. Just lame that there isnt a persisting crit buff for that 5 seconds which would have made it very good especially with deadshot

[slow spade]

for breakpoints it does

[slow spade]

oh lol

[slow spade]

"technically speaking" you only need headshots

but the plasma is sketchy when aiming 30+ meters out

[fair epoch]

Is ghost or deadly accurate better on the mk 12

Because every guide is wish wash about it

[spark arrow]

i run headhunter/infernus and i love it

[dapper vessel]

deadly accurate

[frank ether]

deadly accurate and not even close

[dapper vessel]

if you hate getting suppressed take the suppression immunity node, which just so happens to be on the left bottom tree

[fair epoch]

Ghost is ranged damage immunity

[solar hull]

what about shotguns with weapon specialist. what we thinkin?

[fair epoch]

Suppression immunity is osmething else

[half wigeon]

what weapon are you using and why the right tree ?

[junior needle]

Well with fatsharks incompetence it could've gone either way. Either they bungled the proper implementation of the crit or just forgot to change the description.

The fact that the rof persists (and is present at all) leads me to think the crit being single shot wasn't intended though.

[dapper vessel]

replenishing ammo in a mag babyyyyy

[kind scarab]

It'd be better if the capstone actually worked with the special bullets without bugging out

[fair epoch]

I traded Deadly Accurate IV for Ghost III for no reason then

I genuinely wish people would come to a consensus

[dapper vessel]

kekw

[spark arrow]

or you know, test and form your own opinions

[junior needle]

A large group of people have differing opinions, it's unfortunately inevitable. Some people have told me the mk2 recon is a great gun, despite it objectively being dogshit.

[frank ether]

It would completely shift my opinion on weapon specialist. So far its incredibly good for melee attack speed, kinda whatever if you want more of a gun focus, like honestly agile engagement is better for that you get a very consistent and easy to proc %25 damage and its very up there too so easy grab

[spark arrow]

the mk2 is bad, but the 7a with shock trooper isnt the worst imo

[native furnace]

Oh my god... I'm late to the party, but what the fuck are these new trees?

[errant carbon]

Imagine my shock that Exhilarating Takedown is still bugged and makes you take more damage, not less

[spark arrow]

yea, enjoy the dumpster fire

[small wraith]

Ghost is good because it makes you count as dodging, which is relevant on Reciprocity and Duck and Dive, so you get infinite stamina and 25% crit + immunity to just walk right into ranged packs

[brazen bay]

Is there a good lasgun builds anyone's tries yet after the patch?

[small wraith]

but I only take it on las pistol

[junior needle]

7a is indeed less bad by objective measures, but still clearly not good when compared to other guns.

[native furnace]

What's that I hear? "Go play Gungryn?"

[carmine solstice]

its me or the focus keystone sounds meh

[junior needle]

It didn't work on reciprocity last patch, you had to manually dodge for it

[frank ether]

I like it more than marksman

[carmine solstice]

moving and losing focus sounds so hard

[junior needle]

Probably still have to do that

[frank ether]

oh that one

[kind scarab]

Just grab Camo and you'll mostly be fine

[frank ether]

Ok both keystones have the word focus in them

[carmine solstice]

would prefer if it was losing focus if you miss lol

[frank ether]

smh

[tall torrent]

Did they patch it?

[spark arrow]

dabbling with this rn. trying out builds without CDR to see how it feels

[frank ether]

I get confused when people say focus keystone lmao

[carmine solstice]

lol

[junior needle]

No clue, I can try to test it in a bit.

[frank ether]

please just say marksman for left or lets just call it sniper larp keystone

[tender pasture]

did they really do away with the 1 bleed stack talent

[carmine solstice]

the get hit keystone

[tender pasture]

fuck's sake

[tall torrent]

I call them
Marksman’s Focus -> “Turret”

Focus Target! -> “Tag”

Weapon Specialist -> “Swap”

[solar sky]

It's near the top of the tree now....for some fucking reason

[atomic zephyr]

[dapper vessel]

lmao

we have Focus and Focus Target for names of buffs

[frank ether]

yeeaa it stinks, my advice is treat it like it doesnt fucking exist

like you can take it, who cares

[tender pasture]

cheers, last place I thought to look

[carmine solstice]

not 80 damage trash uwu

[atomic zephyr]

omnissiah pls bless this lasgun

[solar sky]

I don't think going for the keystones is even worth it anymore

[frank ether]

just dont get that mental block of like ''uu I gotta stand still''

[carmine solstice]

the thing i like it but god its like so against the game

[tall torrent]

Tag is pretty good

[solar sky]

you get more power out of nodes like agile engagement than you do from the left side keystone

[tender pasture]

best way to play it seems to be to treat it like psyker's Disrupt Destiny

ignore it until it somehow stacks up from playing normally

[carmine solstice]

100% would prefer a no miss your shoots one or if you hit non weakspot you lose stacks

[cold shell]

so for power sword MKvi are we still running supercharge/brutal momentum?

[dapper vessel]

you can still move around a little and hit heads to keep your focus stacks up

[frank ether]

yeah thats why I'd say just treat it like it doesn't exist you'll get low stacks and it will constantly reset but like, who cares on actual marksman weapons you dont even need that damage

[atomic zephyr]

pretty alright, tbh

[dapper vessel]

so fair Im really liking the weapon specialist and tag keystones

[vast flame]

the tagging keystone is awesome

[swift ingot]

Tag is awesome

[atomic zephyr]

im gonna try it with the tagging keystone

[obsidian gust]

working better without

[carmine solstice]

im thinking of a keystone for plasma and idk the mark one but its so meh

[dapper vessel]

I like that having tag keystone active your tags wont disappear

its really useful if you stack up 8 stacks of Tag and then tag something like a Monstrosity

[solar sky]

Tag is the only one worth anything. Even then, it's not great

[dapper vessel]

no Tag and weapon specialist is good

[native furnace]

Is there a reason to take any keystone at all?

[small wraith]

it did work, also still works, just tested

[cold shell]

Are we still running power cycler/brutal momentum on MkVI power sword?

[vast flame]

yeah tag has given me the best results

[dapper vessel]

Focus I dont vibe with it

[dapper vessel]

yes

[cold shell]

danke

[dapper vessel]

Sunder's a good alternative especially for scab melee only

you can cleave through 3 scab ragers, maulers. And you can cleave through a bulwark's shield

[urban steppe]

what this means how its works ?

[native furnace]

Feels like going for damage to elite and damage to ogryn/momster in the same build is better... which means not enough depth for a keystone if you take the toughness on elite kill at top of the tree as an extra two points

[frank ether]

weapon specialist the base keystone is well done, but the crit only applying to first shot is sadge, and the modifiers are a little questionable. both the reload modifiers and stamina modifiers I feel like should just be combined so its a 4 point keystone instead of 6 which is ridicilous

[cold shell]

siiick

[serene sage]

@dapper spear second try at the map. honestly I dont think I can do it with 4 bots, the amount of ragers are too high. but the problem is the obscene amount of melee elites instead of gunners imo
speaking of, I really dont feel like they are any worse than normal at the end?
maybe there is a spawn bug in which case that's different.

[wooden geode]

what's a melee weapon that has:
Good horde clear
decent vs armor
decent mobility
(bonus points if m1 spammable)

[dapper vessel]

yeah I dont run any of the ability modifiers for it

it seems they try to inflate the modifiers there having to invest 2 points to get the full benefit from 1 path

[tall torrent]

Shovel
Mk2 combat axe
Mk5 combat axe

[dapper vessel]

then you have the extra middle node on it

[daring thistle]

for Vet, what nodes do you think should be merged?
I do like the idea of the Damage/Toughness Regen when not in X of enemies' being a solid pick on the left side.

[golden axle]

PS6

[junior needle]

It didn't work last patch, I checked it myself.

[small wraith]

okay

[frank ether]

same I just run base keystone but at least its good at its base which is not something I'd say for the other two. The other two feel like they are designed around tax talents to work well.

[unkempt lagoon]

combat axes good horde clear?

[wooden geode]

which would you personnaly reccomend of the 3?

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum

[solar sky]

with brutal momentum, yes

[unkempt lagoon]

Right
The attack chains just arent great for it then but you can do it

[tall torrent]

All 3 are good, more of a preference thing
Shovel needs uncanny strike (blessing) to be good vs armor but has great stagger and defense

[dapper vessel]

I hate Fatshark for this

2 fucking tax nodes

[atomic zephyr]

what's the best melee to pair with an inf lasgun anyway

[atomic zephyr]

yeah this is stupid

[austere blade]

I like using the Chainsword myself

[dapper vessel]

2 extra point investment

[sterile garnet]

vet's best melee overall imo is mk6 power sword

[junior needle]

Here's a video of me testing it last patch

[carmine solstice]

havent open the game yet wtf its that

[sterile garnet]

kills hordes and elites with ease

[atomic zephyr]

no pc4 :(

[frank ether]

lmao I was just silently malding staring at this for half an hour today

[golden axle]

riparoni and cheese

[dapper vessel]

thats a 2 POINT INVESTMENT you gotta do before you can invest a point to a grenade lol

[sterile garnet]

i'd still take it

with pc3

[atomic zephyr]

fair i do have that

pc3 and slaughterer?

[carmine solstice]

yeah its so stupid

[austere blade]

At least it's like that on every tree Pepega

[sterile garnet]

brutal momentum and power cycler

[atomic zephyr]

oh interesting

[carmine solstice]

the illusion of choice

[sterile garnet]

use push attack then light follow up attack

you delete shit with that combo

[austere blade]

We live in a society

[frank ether]

that +1 stamina used to be at the bottom and its replaced by %25 suppression lmao, which I also end up taking for iron will

tax node after tax node

[dapper vessel]

Im fucking

malding that they put born leader first just to get tactical awareness

[sterile garnet]

https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4?t=262

[hardy ember]

They definitely need to look at this skill tree again holy shit

[austere blade]

The worst tax nodes are for cross-class. The only other ones off the top of my head are to get into Keystones

[carmine solstice]

its even a 1 stamina awful

atleast make it 25 toughtnes

[frank ether]

I think it just really fucks infiltrate hard in particular

[tender pasture]

Sunder reportedly cleaves through everything on power sword, great for handling rager swarms

[sterile garnet]

in this video, our very own TinyAngryCrab describes how to use powersword

[austere blade]

It's like playing pachinko machines where your fate is determined at the first half of the pegs

[spark arrow]

ah PS6, my darling

[atomic zephyr]

does it matter if i use bm3 or 4?

[sterile garnet]

it's still gonna do great

[atomic zephyr]

bet

[spark arrow]

both get the job done. but you need power cycler 4

[atomic zephyr]

gonna give this one a try

[austere blade]

You know what every other talent tree has before reaching the keystones? Intersection

[frank ether]

Ikr If it was +3 stam I could at least see that as good value

[junior needle]

Updated video of reciprocity not working with ghost on this patch.

[unkempt lagoon]

What are preferred blessings on mk7 shotgun

[sterile garnet]

here's my power sword

[swift ingot]

Been really enjoying running this setup with Laspistol

[frank ether]

my first game was laspistol shout vet with focus

I think we killed BoN in like, what? half a minute?

[tender pasture]

right side melee vet with a dip into shouting seems like it's gotten a big damage upgrade in exchange for survivability nerfs

[frank ether]

if even that

[native furnace]

This build feels like the play. Keystone suck, just take both raw damage and guaranteed rend...

[tender pasture]

point taxes for hybrid builds are insane though

[half wigeon]

is it good ?

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[tender pasture]

the tree goes in parallel until it converges

[half wigeon]

what are you using perk / blessing and mele weapon ?

[tender pasture]

instead of, idk, having a lot of lateral linking built in like the psyker and ogryn trees

[swift ingot]

This my Laspistol, I swap between chainsword and power sword pretty often

[tender pasture]

zealot talents have similar issues but they get a good payoff at least

[austere blade]

Oh, speaking of Zealot talents. You know the other problem Veteran keystones have? The amount of effort required to actually use them

[half wigeon]

oh okay

thanks

[swift ingot]

Np

[half wigeon]

what's the best mele weapon rn ? i don't like the P6 anymore xD

[tender pasture]

Han shot first eh

[swift ingot]

P6

[half wigeon]

it's so slow XD

[slim sand]

no

[tender pasture]

no

[swift ingot]

Middle is pretty good

[half wigeon]

wait u are using deadshot ?

[slim sand]

im reading them now, why does the focus stacks one give you ranged finese when not a single vet weapon has a finese modifier stat

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[half wigeon]

why is that

[manic spear]

i have no fucking idea how to run my lasgun build now lol

im so lost

[austere blade]

Standing still in an Auric Damnation is probably going to get you in a bad situation, Focus Target is a worse version of Witch Hunter Captain's passive unless you hold your marking for another target, which runs antithetical to good teamwork. Weapons Specialist is probably the most consistent, but the problem is that you have to move in and out of melee and ranged combat for it

[simple solstice]

Thinking about consecrating this autogun. Been doing me quite a bit of good, but I'm no good at appraising shit. What do you guys think? Worth it?

[swift ingot]

Laspistol has a base 15% crit chance I run Deadshot to get that up to 40%

[tender pasture]

pretty sure all weapons have base finesse stats, it's what determines your crit and weakspot multipliers

it's just that some don't have it as an option for rolling

[swift ingot]

Laspistol has really good crit and weakspot damage

[half wigeon]

collateral 21% 💀

[austere blade]

I kinda wish you had those stats on an Agripinaa Braced Autogun, but you've basically got a 50% chance of screwing this one up

[junior needle]

Here's reciprocity with other types of gunner

[austere blade]

Collateral is like stagger, right? It's not Stopping Power where it dictates damage against armour

[swift ingot]

@half wigeon the left add on of the middle keystone can help with stamina management a good bit

[unreal bone]

WE COOKIN BOYS I CANT WAIT TO SEE HOW MY GAME RUNS ON THE NEW RIG

yeee

[tender pasture]

so it's just Reapers that ignore the Ghost dodge procs?

[unreal bone]

we feastin

[half wigeon]

isn't ghost suppose to work when u kill someone ?

[junior needle]

ghost is on weakspot hit

You can see it active in the bottom

[austere blade]

Noice. I bought a 5800X3D a few months ago and I saw a noticeable improvement to my performance during hordes

[half wigeon]

oh i though it was on kill

[half wigeon]

okay thanks !

[simple solstice]

I'm pretty sure, yeah

[junior needle]

Other, shittier forms of ghost like hit and run are on kill

[umbral scaffold]

this knife worth getting?

[leaden skiff]

So they broke up the feat taxes onto completely different lines and then slapped some shitty keystones at the bottom and called it Steampunk?

[swift ingot]

Hope you have fun pal

[half wigeon]

@swift ingot so you run extra +3 stam right ?

on curios

[swift ingot]

Nope

[half wigeon]

huh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

[swift ingot]

I’ve gotten used to the stamina drain so I just run 2hp 1 toughness that have stam regen

[junior needle]

And with regular shooting enemies

[half wigeon]

okay i will test with it and without

thanks

[swift ingot]

I may sound crazy but believe me it doesn’t make that big of a difference

But you’re free to think otherwise

I could very much be wrong

[strong pine]

In classic fatshark fashion a talent doesn't work

[celest vine]

Did they increase horde sizes?

Like wtf

[torpid hedge]

I need to test Headhunter, Inf Lasgun, and Revolver this patch

[strong pine]

Ch1nk in the armour does nothing

[celest vine]

Infantry lasgun is good

[torpid hedge]

looking for the best Focus Target weapon and I think Lasgun might be best

[swift ingot]

Laspistol works pretty well with it

[desert hawk]

Quite a few are still iffy no?

[torpid hedge]

I dont own one

but I like Laspistol as well

[swift ingot]

This is the one that I run, ain’t she a beaut?

[junior grail]

Question, are mods okay yet for this patch?

[torpid hedge]

[waxen veldt]

haven't used a plasma in ages, did they get rid of venting it?

[torpid hedge]

the rolls could be better

[manic spear]

BRO i am like ticking crushers with my atuogun now lol wtf

[swift ingot]

Meh the difference between 70 and 80 percent damage is only a 3 point difference

And stability hardly matters

[austere blade]

I haven't had any mods break after I patched them all

[torpid hedge]

yeah

[swift ingot]

So in my eyes she’s perfect

[ivory rock]

Yall think this is worth a grab or nah

[torpid hedge]

where did you get that skin btw

[swift ingot]

It’s a mod

[torpid hedge]

it looks nice

oh

[desert hawk]

ya

[strong pine]

I did some testing last night, ch1nk in the armour does nothing, even paired with the talent that increases stack size to 15. Have you found anything else that's broken?

[ivory rock]

Right skill tree doesnt activate if you take your weapon out by using executioners btw :3

[desert hawk]

I believe exhil takedown is still broken

[swift ingot]

I still need to get Dum Dum 4 for Laspistol tho

[desert hawk]

you still take more toughness damage

[frank ether]

hit it to blue if it bricks give up

[austere blade]

The new scopes plugin is pretty nice, my only real complaint is that I wish the low-power scope still had peripheral vision so it could be the equivalent of an ACOG from Call of Duty in functionality

[swift ingot]

Been trying for 4 months or so

[strong pine]

Classicccc

[sinful sedge]

goddamn vet made of tissue paper on auric now

[strong pine]

Weapon fov mod works im sure

[ivory rock]

Ah yes, vet after the new patch

[austere blade]

Ooh I'ma try that

[ivory rock]

this a brick?

[tawny pawn]

Get home, see new patch, see vets are still mad

[frank ether]

raking is ok for infiltrate with %90 threat reduction

[torpid hedge]

if it helps you can check the shop on all your characters on reset, all the Melks shop on reset and check for 370+ Laspistols

[gleaming plume]

Focus Target work for allies?

[hidden reef]

I keep hearing this and no one's ever answered when I ask what's wrong with it >_<

[tawny pawn]

Oh lord what did fatshark do now

[torpid hedge]

but I think thats common at this point

[strong pine]

Yeah allows you to change the fov on the weapon models while retaining zoom, helps free up a lot of the visual mess, naturally the scope itself will be smaller for the better or worse

[frank ether]

I would run raking personally think its K

[sinful sedge]

Instead of 30% damage reduction, you take 30% MORE damage

[hybrid river]

Didn’t trim the tree and forced more talent point taxes

[frank ether]

hmm good blessings, bad perks

[strong pine]

Read the message he typed seconds after this and you'll have your answer

[frank ether]

I'd say slap flak/maniac and then make this your infil vet gun

[humble sparrow]

Ye

[frank ether]

some would argue dumdum

maybe dumdum considerable but I'd say this is fine

[swift ingot]

I know, that’s what I’ve been doing

[frank ether]

I think fixing perks priority

[ivory rock]

ye i was thinkin dumdum instead of rake and just replace infected w flaj

[ocean spade]

finally hit level 30 veteran

[tawny pawn]

Jesus

[torpid hedge]

[swift ingot]

I’m just that unlucky

[humble sparrow]

Dumdum is better, but fire frenzy us also good

[mortal horizon]

is blaze away + gets hot together a good combo on plasma?

[torpid hedge]

tbh you could also just swap guns

[gleaming plume]

Focus Target work for allies?

[frank ether]

up to you. I dont think dumdum vs frenzy is a massive diff but its better for magdumping a single target

[torpid hedge]

[swift ingot]

Never

[humble sparrow]

Welcome to the club, now here’s your free plasteel addiction

[carmine solstice]

man having superiority complex and bring it down so far away hurts

[frank ether]

so if you want to shoot many gunners keep frenzy, if you want to shoot ogryns or whatever in the back then maybe dumdum

[trail totem]

whats the new melee vet

[ocean spade]

already have it, this is my second level 30

[trail totem]

the trees look like fatshark thinks we have 35 points or some shit

[swift ingot]

@torpid hedge I commit to the bit

[torpid hedge]

#1158835044006232215 message

[humble sparrow]

Plasteel addiction squared

[kind relic]

how are we feeling about the new tree

[ocean spade]

[hidden reef]

Lmfao, that's hilarious if true but in my experience.. not the case.
Had an experience where a silent trapper spawned in a closet on a ledge (plague tree area in the scanning mission) and netted me.
Had ET rolling and a pile of poxwalkers whacking me and I didn't actually start taking damage until the buffs ran out lol

[hybrid river]

[ivory rock]

It is bad but can be fixed v easy, was a whole warzone in here earlier today

[serene sage]

i finally found a build that works really well for me

it's kinda busted

[kind relic]

oh no

[humble sparrow]

Aight, but disappointing. They nerfed the tree a lot + needs to be condensed

[kind relic]

i havent really looked too deep into it

damn

[carmine solstice]

not liking it a lot tbh

[leaden skiff]

So far, so meh

[carmine solstice]

feels like a downgrade

[kind relic]

i heard one good thing came out of it though, we got a connector node that lets us pick from all 3 grenades

[swift ingot]

Tag keystone is the only one I really enjoy

[ivory rock]

@kind relic here check this

[carmine solstice]

yeah the only good thing but i dont feel like it was worth the rest of bad things

[ivory rock]

tl;dr too much bloat

[hybrid river]

But it guarantees you spend 2 talent points to get to the grenade instead of before where you could spend only one if you just went straight down

[humble sparrow]

Im just not gonna use keystones, it takes too many points to get down there

[abstract lily]

In this channel we see a group of Varlets coming to understand why Imperial Guardsmen are the Stormtroopers of Warhammer 40k

[leaden skiff]

They rearranged shit so you can't get the feat taxes, and then slapped keystones at the bottom far far separated from one another so you can't dip into any one keystone without following it's line

It's railroady

[kind relic]

damn no kidding

the bottom of the vet tree has always been STUFFED with passives

most of which we just use to get from point A to point B

[humble sparrow]

I would hope they condense the tree a little bit, but I don’t know if that’s happening anytime soon

[kind relic]

i was running a melee build pre-patch so i'm glad someone has made a new one for this tree

[polar breach]

Tried out focus a bit. Not a real fan

[kind relic]

did VoC get any nerfs?

hope not

[leaden skiff]

Yeah

[junior grail]

Balanced

[kind relic]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[swift ingot]

It got reverted to giving 50 toughness

[leaden skiff]

50 extra toughness instead of 100

[swift ingot]

Makes sense tho

[leaden skiff]

I mean it make sense but it's a nerf and homie asked about nerfs

[kind relic]

no more crutching on VoC

[mortal horizon]

whats the reigning best blessing combo on plasma? i know gets hot, blaze away, volatile are all good. Is blaze away + gets hot a solid combo?":

[junior grail]

Its still stronger than its earlier iteration

[jaunty herald]

Reduced to 50 extra tough from 100

[sinful sedge]

can't believe confirmed kill got so nerfed

[hybrid river]

Blaze away gets hot is the meta

[trail totem]

why does this shit exist

[kind relic]

they should nerf the shit out of the infiltration ability

yeah... leave VoC and exec stance alone...

[hidden reef]

What's the new value compared to the previous?

[elder vessel]

what triggers this block animation and WHY ISNT IT THE DEFAULT

[frank ether]

this exists so recon players can hold mouse 1 I guess

[elder vessel]

It is objectively cooler than the other one

[frank ether]

w+m1 playstyle enabler

[elder vessel]

my favorite gender

[junior needle]

It's true, just tested it. 75 damage without ET stacks from a pox, 101 with.

[kind relic]

recon is back?

[trail totem]

why is this keystone modifier a nerfed version of passive he already has?

[kind relic]

is this what i'm hearing?

[junior needle]

Nope.

[sullen scarab]

This dropped at the end of a match, wtf

[kind relic]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[sinful sedge]

Used to be 25% on kill and additionally 25% over time, which was nice. Now its 10% on kill and 20% over time, which you really feel now

[humble sparrow]

Stealth Columnus Vet still work’s atleast, though some sacrifices gotta be made in terms of talents

[frank ether]

eh Idk about that but I do know it maxes out marksman focus instantly

that you dont even have to play the movement game

[kind relic]

im an agribrauto player anyway

[hidden reef]

Amusing.
Guess I'll keep using it anyways, since I didn't even notice there was an issue to start with lol

[frank ether]

you just run and gun like normal with it

so marksman focus is like that

rifleman focus more like

its also good with iags

[kind relic]

i hope my Catachan MK I "Lawn Mower" still shreds

[austere blade]

You Infantry and Braced Autogun Veterans scare me. Who are you? What is your destiny?

[minor brook]

what blessings do i slap on this

[junior needle]

I highly recommend not doing that. Just because you don't "notice" it doesn't mean it's not happening and actively detrimental.

[hearty panther]

the rof on the VId is hilarious with max weapon proficiency stacks

you just drill baby drill

[kind relic]

counter strike AK tap-firing at elites 50 meters away just to waste all the ammo

[junior needle]

The rof persists but the crit doesn't

[kind relic]

nah the stagger is insane on the agribrauto which is perfect for helping me get in and out of melee range

[minor brook]

anyone have any ideas?

[dapper vessel]

You can go with Scattershot + Flechette. Or go with Full bore + No respite.

[grand pumice]

ngl i love the weapon specialist keystone. its actually kinda cracked for a gameplay cycle that doesnt rely on standing still and clicking on heads

[junior needle]

The melee bonus is insane

[umbral scaffold]

I personally enjoy it, they basically spreaded the buffs to certain key chains and loved some heavily used perks around

[junior needle]

The ranged bonus is uh

[manic badger]

the weapon specialist tree is actually busted af with a revolver and combat axe

[umbral scaffold]

Made it much more easier to obtain some stuff

[frosty tree]

is anyone even using the left keystone tree

[umbral scaffold]

Me lol

they need to remove a quarter of the nodes in vets tree, theres just too much

[half wigeon]

Yeah on the MG 12

[grand pumice]

honestly I rock the Recon Lasgun and Combat Knife and im kicking ass as a Skirmisher

[manic badger]

you take the modifer that reloads bullets into your mag per stack and then just quick swap to revolver to get a 100% crit chance shot on a special then keep swinging and you never have to reload revolver

[frosty tree]

standing still and shooting in darktide is like suicide run but even harder

[umbral scaffold]

Three seconds of movement is quite a while to an extent in many situations for me and I do enjoy it as I can 1hit enemies to the head

My weaponry is built for headshots

[hearty panther]

you're right we should take out demo specialist and iron will and always prepared to squash the tree down

[grand pumice]

just run in, take out a specialist squad or grab the objective, or save a teammate with infiltrate

[umbral scaffold]

I always headshot as a vet

[umbral scaffold]

do you mean demolition stockpile

And the spread sheet makes it easier to have krak nades as a means

[grand pumice]

like there is no point for a sniper role that relies on standing still 😭

[junior needle]

I think you'd be better off with a different gun, especially if you're not building damage boosts

[hearty panther]

no i meant demo scientist

[hidden reef]

I've been hit by poxies like that a LOT since using the perk. Always fun when they change targets midswing because the zealot just sprints away.
And I've never been hit that hard from a single swing. My earlier comment about what happened while I was netted wasn't a joke, it actually happened. I was getting hit for like 10 toughness damage per poxie and regen to full before the next swing. There was even a Flamer kicking me I the head and I only started taking any real damage when my buffs fell off.
I'm not saying there's no bug there, just that even if it's present, whatever else mky build is doing is adequately neutralizing the damage taken issue and just leaving me with the regen.

[minor brook]

flechette seems pretty funny, would you recommend that over full bore since kantrael has a pretty wide spread?

[umbral scaffold]

i know youre joking but i unironically agree

[umbral scaffold]

I mean you can get a bonus for it now though

[manic badger]

what did they nerf about confirmed kill?

[grand pumice]

im casting shade on the keystone

its a death sentence

[umbral scaffold]

Instead of 25 + 25

It’s 10+20

[grand pumice]

its unsustainable in this hectic of a game

[dapper vessel]

yeah both burn and the bleed DOT is applicable on the kantrael 9

[umbral scaffold]

On toughness

[velvet wraith]

weapon specialist the clear keystone winner, surely

[dapper vessel]

Though I personally prefer Full bore and No respite

[velvet wraith]

power sword whack wahck, swap bang bang bang, swap rinse repeat

easy W

[umbral scaffold]

Unless you’re close to the enemy yes but then you just use melee and fall back to teammates

[willow badger]

whats the verdict on keystone my homies

gimme a basic ass build

to run with lasgun

[grand pumice]

fr, you can swap in and out of melee to ranged and keep having a consistent buff while also not being confined to any specific position

[junior needle]

That was without any additional reduction talents. If you're taking some combination of close order drill/iron will then you will obviously take less. But then ET is just dragging down your existing damage resistances. Given it's avoidable, you're better off just taking the reload.

[gritty mirage]

is it me, or is the new map REALLY laggy, im literally have 1 second rubberband, this has not happened before

[raw steppe]

Ok the tagging is better than I thought

[umbral scaffold]

I mean it’s a play style at the end of the day I feel that one is more akin to run and gun

[hybrid river]

It’s only a death sentence if your aim is so bad that you can’t pop heads while moving

[raw steppe]

The tag is yellow not red

So you can command ur monkey teammates

[umbral scaffold]

Skill issue basically yeah

[raw steppe]

To kill stuff

[hidden reef]

I'll keep it in mind. I do appreciate the explained and clip, thank you for that.

[obtuse dawn]

It's decent, it gives total damage aswell

[sharp ember]

weapon specialist rocks, juggling my revolver in between melee kills to reload it is so funny, and actually insane to consistently put rounds into elites while killing trash with melee

[grand pumice]

the elite squad spawning behind you:

[umbral scaffold]

Ok cool meet my axe and the ability to dodge and push

[raw steppe]

Yeah like even if your teammates are monkes

[half wigeon]

You have ears i believe

[grand pumice]

like any casual player ever

[graceful vessel]

anyone have any funny stealth guardsman builds in a post re-rework

[raw steppe]

You can control them

Like bots

[obtuse dawn]

I was using it with the toughness Regen, it was decent

[frosty tree]

did they nerf the krak grenade radius or something? I swear i used to kill more elites in close range

[hybrid river]

Bad players will remain bad players regardless of focus fire existing or not

[eternal venture]

It’s funny how two of the three new keystones are just Saltzpyre builds but more interesting/better executed

[obtuse dawn]

The damage aura also stacks nicely and can be good

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think the touched it

[grand pumice]

yes but again its not like you can play for very long as the sniper without being rudely interrupted and pressured to all hell because youve strayed too far back. the game KNOWS.

[eternal venture]

New tag is effective while discouraging mindless tag spam

[grand pumice]

weapon specialist>>>>

[half wigeon]

Depends on the Map too

[celest vine]

God it looks ugly

[grand pumice]

this too

[hybrid river]

if you ignore the sub nodes

[celest vine]

But its better than not having anything loke the cover screen

[frosty tree]

I have a separate tag button so it's not that bad

[eternal venture]

Weapons Specialist is Bounty Hunter’s melee talent but actually good and in a game that allows that play style

[pulsar drift]

Sup vet surprisingly good

[kind relic]

how is the melee building on it tho

[junior needle]

It's bugged currently and functions best on revolver, seems to give an inordinate amount of crit but only on your first shot. Then you get nothing.

[eternal venture]

Oh yeah I do know that the buff carries over between kills

[half wigeon]

I just want the reccon being good back only weapon i like with heavy pistol & Colomnus

[pulsar drift]

Thought the pin was kinda useless but once tried

[eternal venture]

regardless of actual tag spam

[pulsar drift]

Kinda doin okay

[umbral scaffold]

It’s ment to have you chain your gun and melee to get the boost off

[grand pumice]

YES PLEASE, JUSTICE FOR THE ELYSIAN DROP TROOPERS

[umbral scaffold]

Thus needing to go close

[half wigeon]

Real

[kind relic]

oh well that sounds like something i am perfectly suited to doing with my agribrauto

hell yeah

[terse idol]

okay the weapon specailist is kinda fun, for vet

Run a good SMG

Claw sword

[frosty tree]

was veteran toughness always weak though? I started playing the game like 4 months ago

[terse idol]

[half wigeon]

Men use reccon boys use revolver

[grand pumice]

im so disappointed that they are no longer playable in the table top

[terse idol]

no

We had the highest toughness out of anyone

Once

[frosty tree]

i get tapped by two pox and im dead

[eternal venture]

Vet also used to have camouflage

[umbral scaffold]

That was year 1

This is year 2

[half wigeon]

Skill issue

[terse idol]

yeah

[eternal venture]

Well, they brought back a talent called camouflage

[umbral scaffold]

Mine use to make me have 300 toughness back then

[grand pumice]

we have it now, its called Infiltrate

[eternal venture]

Yeah it’s attached to Infil now

The “generate less threat” talent

[grand pumice]

infil is unironically really useful to me

[junior needle]

Nobody used it because it was shit

[frosty tree]

I get it for psykers because they do brain things but for vets kinda ehhh

[eternal venture]

It was a very funny talent

[grand pumice]

i can run in, startle a horde, grab someone or the objective, and also get a damage boost on ambush

its actually super fun to be a skirmisher

[eternal venture]

I forgot which talents it competed with

[grand pumice]

AND because it works close range, its perfect for Weapon Specialist

[eternal venture]

But I remember people using it for sure on release

[junior needle]

unwavering focus

[grand pumice]

so you backstab someone, then pull the strap out on the rest

[junior needle]

Which is also why nobody used it when they figured out unwavering was so good

[half wigeon]

@grand pumice Can you send me your build in dms ?

[velvet wraith]

Is this worth buying off melk to rip blessing off of or is Crucian just a worse surgical

[grand pumice]

im not gonna pretend like i know what im doing, but ill send the talents i have

[eternal venture]

Oh it was unwavering

Yeah that makes sense then

[fast scaffold]

Hmmm either be invincible or """""invisible"""""

[terse idol]

weapon spec is actually a fun

[half wigeon]

Sûre thanks

[eternal venture]

People thought camo was better than it was before they figured out that nonstop dodging/sliding was the best survivability

[junior needle]

Only if you aren't moving, and only if there's other people in aggro range of the mobs, and only if they aren't targeting you already

[eternal venture]

But it would still make trappers completely ignore you from a few feet away sometimes

Which was funny

[frosty tree]

anyone wanna share a middle tree keystone build? I just put on a simple one

[eternal venture]

Longlas when

Actually I wonder how a longlas would be able to compete with the plasma as a sniping weapon

Other than having a scope and not forcing you to manage its heat and long reload + ammo economy

Plasma already gets crazy value with penetration, and it has good breakpoints

[frosty tree]

if it had a bit more ammo tho...

[eternal venture]

Yeah plasma is hungry

Its other big downside is that it only has like two dodges

[frosty tree]

I look for ammo when i run it more than i look for them trappers

[eternal venture]

I just want that longlas sniper that was datamined a year ago lol

[frosty tree]

don't we have a sniper

something something las

[frank ether]

helbore? nah thats just a halberd with extra steps

[sharp ember]

the only datamine of a longlas is a probably scrapped icon

[fathom edge]

are power swords bugged since patch? seems ill apply the effect, but then when i go to swing they are regular swings sometimes

[grand pumice]

probably not going to be effective for anything other than bosses or just sniping a line through a horde

[terse idol]

we don't knoow if it's scrapped, some of those weapons actually came out

Like the little maul for the zealot

[gritty mirage]

oh im an idiot no wonder i was lagging, i had my emulator on for my gacha game

[eternal venture]

Yeah and plasma already does the second bit

[terse idol]

The helbore is a sniper

And if we can put a scope on it

[eternal venture]

Fatshark dev cycle is very slow, so a lot of those weapons just might still be in dev

[grand pumice]

its more like a DMR

[leaden skiff]

This please. I will remember the 29 days of Recon Lasgun fun fondly

[terse idol]

Longlas will compete more with a helbore

[junior needle]

21

[eternal venture]

I’d use the Helbore more if I didn’t hate its ironsights

[leaden skiff]

Why do you sully my memory

[sharp ember]

inb4 a longlas doesn't damage carapace and helbore is still better

[junior needle]

And it was only one of the guns

[eternal venture]

God that would be so sad

[grand pumice]

yeah

[leaden skiff]

This sums it up well

[grand pumice]

Justice for Recon

[frosty tree]

was recon nerfed

[grand pumice]

no justice no peace!

[eternal venture]

Need my longlas to oneshot crushers on headshot in damnation

At least

[grand pumice]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[junior needle]

Not this patch, but they were last patch. Even the bad ones.

[grand pumice]

actually would be too cracked

[thorn lark]

I remember the days of recon infernus with infinite stacks back in December. It was glorious.

[eternal venture]

😩

[scenic lance]

Holy shit I can play Witcher Hunter Captain in 40k now

[eternal venture]

Yeah it’d be stupid af if the fire rate weren’t slow to balance it

Technically we already have the ordo hereticus in 40k 🤓

On that note

[frank ether]

helbore does that.. Well, if you build for it.

[eternal venture]

Give us those Bolter crossbows that the ordo hereticus uses

[rancid tinsel]

Am I crazy or is the placement on these nodes fucken wack

[warped robin]

Plasma looks cooler. Looking away.

[eternal venture]

Though that’d probably be a zealot weapon if anything

[grand pumice]

CRACK, BAMF, CRACK, BAMF

bro think he in a spaghetti western

[broken palm]

Haven't played the new update yet, how bad has this update affected veteran?

[terse idol]

bug fixed

lul

[flint lake]

Doubtful. Unless the scope is radically different from what’s present in the extended weapons modifier mod, it’s going to be C tier. Thing take up the whole screen when you’re looking down sights and completely ruins situational awareness.

[terse idol]

WAIT

That

;eag

That ain't no bug!