veteran-class

[faint blade]

The Idea is really neat but I can't really say if the amount of points its worth it that need to get put into it to reach the keystone

[unkempt lagoon]

Unless something was broken in this patch, I am sure you are allowed to take toughness damage

[celest vine]

Vet keystones are just not needed the same way every other class needs theirs

[untold mulch]

Peak marksman hours

[south spindle]

So it cant beam everything from 100m away anymore

[sharp epoch]

🥲

[brave verge]

you can take a hit as long as you have 100% toughness, as that will prevent any actual health loss. Taking a hit under 100% toughness will hit your hp

[spark helm]

It's less that they're just tanky, ogryn can address multiple threats uniquely compared to other classes with less consequence on mistakes.

[celest vine]

Rockgryns are supposed to do that not veterans

[gusty sonnet]

Honestly well deserved

[viscid marlin]

So bring it down got nerfed, and trench fighter got nerfed too?

[subtle hornet]

Realy?

[spark helm]

Their active input goes farther by comparison

[south spindle]

Bruh wot? The ranged specialist class shouldnt be killing things at range?

[subtle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-warhammer-chaos-gif-20220216

[vernal cloak]

This is true, I feel like I can handle any clutch situation without breaking a sweat on my Ogryn tbh.

[visual pendant]

I just don't know why they didn't make blitz, aura, ability indepedent of the actual build

[south spindle]

Thats uhh.. thats an out-there take if i ever saw one

[celest vine]

Its funnier to see ogryn rocks do it

[low wadi]

how long does this buff last?

[brave verge]

yes thats how toughness works against melee. Its a percentage thing. 100% toughness when you get hit means only toughness takes damage. If you have 70% toughness when you get hit, 30% of the hit's damage goes to your hp

[ivory rock]

until you reload

[faint blade]

Isn't that the point of Keystones tho? That using them gives a huge advantage and supports your overall build?

[idle dirge]

Stays until you reload, it’s pretty good

[celest vine]

They just dont do that on veteran

[faint blade]

Seems likea fail in the Vet Keystones then

[faint blade]

Neat

[delicate moat]

i also find it kinda weird how independent the 3 branches are, there's no crossover paths

[subtle hornet]

[kind scarab]

Except they don't. Cause rather than getting keystones to suppliment our builds and actually feel strong, they removed out power from our tree to balance out people actually using capstones.

[ivory rock]

It should be, but 2 trees barely do anything and in order to reach the keystones you essentially have to just go straight down one node from start to finish

[celest vine]

Iron will as a fucking perk is so much more useful than any of the keystones

[subtle hornet]

So its like resist and not addinial health?

[visual pendant]

Yeah cause they built a tree initially designed to be keystone-less, and then later just appended the keystones on

[kind scarab]

So effectively. You're just having to partake in a stupid minigame of whatever keystone you pick, to reach the same power we had before the update

[gusty sonnet]

Take the middle nodes at the top though. Way more value and Vet can't afford to spread its point around atm

[kind scarab]

While losing out on build variety

[celest vine]

Feel no pain makes Ogryns complete heavy tank

[brave verge]

for melee. Toughness always blocked ranged attacks until its empty

[quaint valve]

It activates on next reload

[grizzled pebble]

Found least edgiest guardman's gun.

[kind scarab]

I'm referring to our current tree, not them

[gusty sonnet]

Don't forget we have to play in a gimmicky way to activate said keystones

[celest vine]

Oh yeah that

Keystones here are

Uh

[ivory rock]

This, they removed Ogryn being marked from exec only to add it back as a node you have to waste a point on, they continuosly take away and nerf from vet, then add it back in dumpster fire ways and expect us to be happy

[celest vine]

Mid

[spark helm]

Absolutely. Like it's boring for me after a while on shield ogryn but dude. The utility is ridiculous. Got shooters? Block once, force them close. Got a gaggle of dogs that you need to deal with? Max range bash. Fuckdd up but didn't get swarmed too fast and are disabled (actually unsure if it works for trappers)? Boom, cc purge on the uh, the stack for whatever it is that bursts stuff off you.

[untold mulch]

I love playing minigames while dodging 3 poxhouds, 4 muties, 2 bombers ....

[brave verge]

I'm not opening that

[visual pendant]

[subtle hornet]

And any melee - just go strait through?

[delicate moat]

keystones rn are even weirder cuz u barely have enough points to reach the major node, let alone the smaller keystone specific additions

[viscid marlin]

wait did iron will get nerfed too?

[kind scarab]

This is why I'm going left side tree. No fuss. Works with what you're supposed to be doing and you don't need to pay attention to it if you grab Camo.

[rocky stratus]

4 vet maelstorm

[kind scarab]

You just go around shooting people in the face.

[rocky stratus]

how doable is this

[kind scarab]

Nuff said

[spark helm]

Personally like the danger of being up against the wall as clutch shooter vet or zealot overall.

[delicate moat]

very doable

[rocky stratus]

no ogryn

😔

[brave verge]

again, its more like a damage resist based on the percentage of your remaining toughness. If you have 100% toughness when hit by a melee attack, the toughness aborbs all the damage. If you have 50% toughness when hit, half of the damage applies to your remaining toughness, half to your health

[ivory rock]

Surrounded by enemies? bull rush or taunt? enemies at a range? shoot em with your shotgun that will kill or knock em back with a single pellet? fighting a boss? charge up a melee that hits for 3k on spam because you don't lose damage for being near a single enemy

[vernal cloak]

I don't even bother running shield on ogryn because it's too much of a crutch IMO. Bullbutcher + Achlys HStubber

[delicate moat]

having 2 shouty vets makes it so much easier for the rotating constant uptime

[celest vine]

The best team comp is one of each class

[tight dragon]

honestly i can't see how throwing this many points in those shitty lines is worth any of those keystones

[celest vine]

It will always be that

Unless they nerf ogryn

[rocky stratus]

damnation maelstrom

[fallow compass]

The vet keystones just arent worth it

[spark helm]

I wouldn't call it a crutch necessarily but it's just kind of a solid go to since I run rumbler. I'm there to guarantee control when I'm position you know? Plus the horde dmg on shield ain't bad.

I haven't gotten used to most of the guns that aren't the grenade launchers. Kind of just hate their guns for personal reasons.

[delicate moat]

yeah, quad vets are not that uncommon tbh

[fervent quiver]

how about auric maelstrom

[brittle lava]

I still find the middle keystone an absolute boon

[frank ether]

iron will itself no but your path to get it got nerfed yes

you used to have a bunch of useful stuff going down t o it

[subtle hornet]

So, to do that stupid penance, i must not take ANY melee damage when my toughness is not 100%?

[brittle lava]

And it makes enemies you mark yellow

Which is a fun colour

Win win

[celest vine]

Thats what im saying’, not even going to take a keystone

[brave verge]

correct

[frank ether]

now you get filler garbage like %25 suppression etc

[brave verge]

correct

[celest vine]

They just srent good

[visual pendant]

Look, I will whole-heartedly agree that there would be nothing wrong with just adding ogryn highlight to the existing node modifier that highlights shooters; but to act as if volley fire highlighted ogryns prior without a drawback is insane. Volley fire only affected specials, you needed to either take shooter highlight and shooter refresh OROgryn and Monstrosity highlight w/ big damage multiplier OR Reload on abiltiy use

[fervent quiver]

It personally sucks for me, but it's nice seeing the stabby bri'ish bois out

[subtle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/window-meeting-bye-walkout-im-done-gif-14366322

[tight dragon]

bet they nerfed the other nodes to compensate because they thought the keystones were good

[spark helm]

Definitely can't play shield ogryn for more than like three missions. It's just too static.

[celest vine]

And they need two upgrades to be good

[brittle lava]

The middle keystone can give you and your team a very consistent 12% damage buff ignoring the marked target damage buff

Which is noice beans

[radiant chasm]

yes, but you can block 360 and every melee swing has a warning noise

so you better get used to blocking and dodgin

[frank ether]

its doable on heresy its not that difficult

[brave verge]

you can probably lfg for a group here to help you out and babysit you

[untold mulch]

I did it by accident once

[rugged sorrel]

Yea if you get hit by melee and you have sub 100% toughness then its going to do some damage to your health. Penance is easier now than it used to be with the shouts and such, just remember to block and shove.

[celest vine]

But two perks give you 35 percent damage at all times

Its just underwhelming

[frank ether]

I did it in the same mission I was doing the %90 accuracy penance

[kind scarab]

Just grab camo and you'll have 10 stacks in 1 kill on the muttie

[idle dirge]

Isn’t the keystone also extra damage for teammates

[frozen meadow]

for plasma gun, when do I use charged attack and normal attack

[versed ermine]

Damn son

[brittle lava]

They stack! Not to mention stacking with the +32% situational buff of the keystone

[vernal cloak]

Agreed, I enjoy Vet and Zealot for the challenge as well. It's more fun living on the edge

[spark helm]

Achieve penance nirvana. You will inevitably complete it. Do not seek the progress gauge.

[fallow compass]

I figured those PC exclusive cosmetics would have released with this update. Any word on those?

[rugged sorrel]

I got Overwatch totally by accident , was on a team with the Ogryns who wouldnt let anything near their SL

[desert isle]

post your tree?

[viral trench]

is there any major changes to a squad leader loadout with the plasma?

[fervent quiver]

Funny thing is how I think that the left side is actually usable, only if you have Camo for the keystone

[kind scarab]

3 days

[subtle hornet]

@brave verge @rugged sorrel Ok, what best melee for it? I tryed with knife cuz of move speed and dodges.

[noble dune]

does anyone ever use smoke grenade ever?

[rugged sorrel]

They said in the announcement for those they would come in at the end of the month

[brittle lava]

For a total of +44% damage at max potential, which is not that rare with the marked target keystone

[idle dirge]

It can be useful, yeah

[brittle lava]

It's still good! Just hard to afford in a build

[delicate moat]

yes, often poorly

[spark helm]

I do

[noble dune]

whens the best time to use it?

[brave verge]

power sword or chainsword probably, they're the best all around melee weapons vet has

[delicate moat]

when pew pew pew, smoke

[radiant chasm]

when there is a lot of shooters xd

[noble dune]

makes sense

[desert isle]

thanks champ

[idle dirge]

When there’s a lot of ranged enemies you aren’t dealing with / can’t deal with yet

[fervent quiver]

How do you have your tree that small

[rocky stratus]

what the fuck

[radiant chasm]

smoke is, basically only taken if you are going down that side of the tree already

[rugged sorrel]

I did it way back in the day with an axe, I cans ee you easily doing it with a power sword. I'd choose those over the knife for better shoves and blocks.

[brittle lava]

I find Catachan IV outperorms the chainsword as an allrounder, but maybe I just haven't got the right blessings on chainsword

[rocky stratus]

the game just went from 0-100 rq

and we lost

[silent nebula]

Oh God what the fuck

[celest vine]

By god the taxes

[ivory rock]

This boltgun can't even one clip a beast of nurgle anymore , revert the keystones this is nuts

[fallow compass]

I wish i had a curio that let me carry more ammo

[quaint valve]

Claw sword, extra block with parry

[celest vine]

And iron will

[brave verge]

true

[kind scarab]

Because the time it takes you to kill it + the HS kill will give you enough stacks

[spark helm]

In a vacuum: against groups of shooters either directly on top of them or along the path that your team has to break through to reduce the amount of shooting; during unstealthed revival attempts, lowkey to temporarily just fuck yp the threat value for yourself vs rager groups. That kind of thing.

[subtle hornet]

Ok, all thanks for help, ill try to do my penance.

[spark helm]

You gotta like, change your mindset a lot for running smoke.

[desert isle]

ay champ, what gun are you running with that build again

[spark helm]

There are times though where uh
...

Wish I didn't fucking run smoke gdi dies

[brave verge]

@subtle hornet you should use a shout build, having above max toughness will let you take more hits before taking hp damage

[noble dune]

thanks everyone

i see we are talent starved now with keystones haha

[fervent quiver]

My current build for Bolty and PS

[delicate moat]

to answer your question, smokes can be used in a variety of different ways:

• you can use them defensively: when shooters are spread out, when there are a lot of melee pressure, you can deploy smokes at team feets to encourge shooters to try to come into melee range or shoot at outdated locations.
• you can also use smokes aggressively: use them to push a pack of shooters, breach a room, cover your relocation, etc. etc.

[frank ether]

dont think any kind of mindset change improves its usefulness plus the negative of blocking team vision

[brave verge]

@subtle hornet take as much cdr as you can to keep spamming shout

[timber raven]

does this not sound like a good change to you? or should everything be power crept up to one clip BoN

[frank ether]

we tried it today and verified it just fucks up vision for your teammates in a lot of instances

yes I went out of my way to go test smokes

[noble dune]

which are the best ones to use for the WHC keystone?

[frank ether]

which I said I wouldnt do but curiosity

[spark helm]

Never had that issue but that's my experience. People can easily shoot in a crowd or enemies that each person can mash tag for if they aren't executioners

[visual pendant]

Everyone just wants to play BH and one-tap monsters again so they don't have to learn to fight them

[brave verge]

left or right imo

[noble dune]

middle one takes too long for 8stacks?

[worthy pelican]

right one is the biggest one, but all together is chef kiss

[delicate moat]

the worst problem it creates is it makes snipers even harder to deal with

[brave verge]

middle is kind of eh, a lot of the time on higher difficulty you won't hit 8 stacks

[pulsar shore]

middle and right can chain each other, Im using both

[spark helm]

The only issue I've had with smoke is using them too much instead of just dealing with the threat with either murder or suppression

[frank ether]

thats what 3 other people have told me. Its less bad when you are in the smoke and total disaster from elevated angles resulting in zero visibility

to add insult to the injury the snipers see you fine

[spark helm]

I can't speak for snipers

I

[upper roost]

fix vet

[spark helm]

I can't be bothered by them most of the time. I've learned the timing.

[visual pendant]

Ah they probably have thermals or something

[spark helm]

I duck, I dodge. It's free for me.

[frank ether]

smoke is just a failed concept, I'd love for it to work

[delicate moat]

the snipers being obscured by smokes is the worst problem it has imo

[versed ermine]

What weapon are you using?

[frank ether]

because I play a lot of melee vet after FS dissected and fucked up sharpshooter tree

[delicate moat]

if it blocked sniper shots it'd be so much less agony

[frank ether]

so the idea of a gunner denial tool appeals to me

[spark helm]

Idk...I think people need to work on their defense versus specialists when they're able to.

[ivory rock]

8 stacks and toughness imo, I love dmg as much as the next mf but it's a lil whatever

[frank ether]

I just find that tossing frags into chunks of gunners works better

[undone cedar]

what gun is that?

[noble dune]

yea stamina regen looks fun

[viscid marlin]

So basically for people that didn't want to go way the fuck down into noman's land to get keystones, you got massively nerfed just pretty much across the board? Am i reading all of this right?

[pastel geode]

Just woke up, how’s the new keystones?

[untold mulch]

Yep

[viscid marlin]

...Fuck.

[idle dirge]

Not much imo

[timber raven]

according to chat, world ending game breaker, better uninstall

[viscid marlin]

My guy it is definitely much

[frank ether]

Anything that demands such drastic gameplay changes from the entire team ought to be useless

[stone birch]

veteran skill tree is boss now

[frank ether]

reminder here that I used smokes in a team of friends

[viscid marlin]

You cant even get bring it down and superiority complex unless you go way the hell down into seperate trees now

[tall canopy]

born leader

[delicate moat]

smokes are best used in uncoordinated pubs

[frank ether]

to deny them of vision so you can pad your damage?

[spark helm]

Yeah that's fine. Main reason why I'm saying that when you're running heavily into right tree with vet your decision making is entirely different because you're not always going to have access to the best cc being a killed a target. It falls incredibly short when you have a team that lacks the awareness and utility needed to act without your input.

From my end, I've had the best turn out with right side tree when other people fuck up enough. I do a middle/right mix. Ranger veteran support bardin kind of thing.

I have enough dmg to reasonably kill the majority of things

[delicate moat]

exactly

[spark helm]

But fr, it sounds redundant but the community overall in most levels is severely lacking in defense.

[frank ether]

If vast majority of players look at something and question its existance or worse are hindered by it, then the tool is at fault

[noble dune]

30% to 15% 😮

[frank ether]

smoke is also not something you take for free there is an opportunity cost for taking it

[fading anvil]

Tree needs to be compressed a bit imo, that and add some more bridges across the deeper end

[tough dock]

Oh boy what a wonderfull day to be a veteran play isnt it?

[thick grove]

Its not a Clip. Its a Mag.

[crude wind]

This was the worst Nerf for me 😦

[sharp epoch]

All the stealth changes are here except for talent placement: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17v1okc/vet_stealth_nerfs_and_buffs_written_out/?rdt=62244

[untold mulch]

LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

Review bomb

[spark helm]

I mean, okay. It's a detriment when used haphazardly I agree. I've been better about it as I've used it more and it's nor a rpbopem when I'm in pubs or coordinated groups.

[fallow compass]

It has a new sight now?

[sharp epoch]

50% to 20% weakspot power for me was

[terse tusk]

@noble dune sorry, completely off topic, but is your pfp Thurston wearing an ff11 red mage hat

[stone birch]

Undeniable buffs to the leftside tree from this update. damn

[kind scarab]

There's a funky bug with right capstone. First shot regardless of stacks is always a crit if you got one melee kill.

[frank ether]

I've had this discussion all the way back in like P13

nothing has improved since then

[spark helm]

With my right tree build the main point is that its utility is to recover from back situations.

[fallow night]

man they really did vet awful didnt they? Just when I was actually having fun with the class too.
I was running a stealth rescuer build with machine pistol, after the update it feels meh now instead of fun

[frank ether]

if smoke had an alternate choice for pathing efficiency its usage would drop even further than it already is

[crude wind]

Interesting, should be after 3 kills

[hard cave]

vet preggers

[spark helm]

If ppl aren't fucking up I get less useful but I'm still able to do things.

[noble dune]

Trench Fighter Drill:
Before : +15% melee attack speed
After: +10% melee attack speed

😭 😭 😭 😭

[crude wind]

The tool tip is so wrong

[jolly cave]

Vet feels way more fragile than it did

[spark helm]

So I don't really see the loss to team efficacy

[fading anvil]

With the new changes having an unlimited supply of grenades is great don't get me wrong, but still needs too many points to get to the keystones to the point I can't justify using them

[delicate moat]

imagine if it stuck to ogryns and monstrosities and leaves entire smoke walls/trail as they move

[noble dune]

its a cat with a red mage hat yes

[kind scarab]

Pretty sure the tooltip is supposed to be 3.3% crit per kill, up to 33% total

[crude wind]

I am okay with this since you get an extra 15% all the time from melee specialist

[idle dirge]

I’d love if smoke had a nice stagger to it so that gunners wouldn’t keep firing from inside it

[frank ether]

that sounds... even worse lmao

[crude wind]

Apparently it's not

[celest vine]

The problem is, they just made it where its better to take a second ogryn or psyker over having a veteran

[ivory rock]

vet before: not great, but viable yes
vet now:

[brave verge]

a lot of the toughness stuff is more spread out, much harder to get them all now

[crude wind]

Apparently the tool tip is just straight up wrong/bad

[noble dune]

this was never good was it?

[crude wind]

Need to see the lua

[spark helm]

Feel like if it dropped suppression or stagger it'd just be a mildly less useful stun grenade.

[sharp epoch]

nopee

[celest vine]

Why would you play vet when you can stop an entire horde, or outright kill everything in front of you?

[viscid marlin]

I cant even kill a crusher with an entire fucking magdump now.. Jesus.

[stone birch]

oh my god, my helbore lasgun is doing so much more damage ><

[brave verge]

works fine with combat blade and that finesse boost on bleeding target blessing, but otherwise kinda worthless

[kind scarab]

Well I don't get 100% crits at 4+ stacks for the full duration. So clearly they must intend for it to be only full crit on 1 shot?

[sharp epoch]

is it forced on the right sode tree?

[swift ingot]

God damn the tag keystone is a shit ton of fun

[unique sorrel]

smoke doesn't even function on a coding level, they should just replace it entirely imo

[kind scarab]

Sorta like Saltzpyres blessed bullets skill.

[crude wind]

Yeah it is 1 guaranteed crit after 3 stacks apparently

[gusty sonnet]

I thinnk there's a blessing that benefits from having 1+ stack of bleed but otherwise it was always doodoo

[delicate moat]

smoke should be used when planting breaching charges

[crude wind]

Or supposed to be

[noble dune]

away we go then lol

[viscid marlin]

my god that is so bad lol

[hallow moat]

I won’t say vet is bad but they fa sho made him a more careful play style

[stone birch]

as somebody who likes headhunting, I so far really like this update. The fact grenades are so much easier to choose for too is nice.

[kind scarab]

Yeah, right now it's effectively working like saltz's skill exactly.

[frank ether]

ideally you'd just have it replaced entirely but too many crayon eaters insist on it being good

[kind scarab]

They probably just stole the code for it, and never updated it

[spark helm]

I wouldn't have recognized when it's not working. Usually whatever I'm smoking is already dead or I've already like picked up ppl or guaranteed safe travel to better positions for the team.

[polar kraken]

doesn’t seem like the devs play their own game smh

[crude wind]

I need to really see what the lua is saying

[polar kraken]

[frank ether]

at the bare minimum they could offer a choice next to it to save people the misery

[idle dirge]

I’m pretty sure most game devs dont

[polar kraken]

fatshark hates vet confirmed

[harsh chasm]

hey i was wondering what melee weapons should i use as vet? its been a long time and i use to use the powersword all the time but i hear that weapon has been nerfed into the ground.

[ivory rock]

YOU HAVE TO EITHER MARK OGRYN OR REGULAR SHOOTERS LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sharp epoch]

they have playtesters but they hate vet

[unique sorrel]

i got stuck in a mission with a guy who was using trainers to spam it, and it became very quickly clear that gunners still light you up when its on them, and when its on you

[fallow compass]

Ah

[ivory rock]

NAH BRUH THIS IS RIDICCCCCC

[idle dirge]

Power sword definitely hasn’t been nerfed, or if it was it was buffed back or smth

[spark helm]

Ah I see.

[delicate moat]

powersword still strong what

[kind scarab]

It still works fine

[rugged sorrel]

Ya odnt gotta mark'em they're nice and big

[kind scarab]

People are just being whiny cause they gotta swing more at crushers, cause they can't oneshot them anymore

[delicate moat]

but you do have a lot of viable alternatives, catachans, knife, shovel, etc

[spark helm]

Power sword just feels best with energized. I don't like that but it was a better move anyway.

[ivory rock]

if I wanna keep uptime on my exec I def wanna have em marked

[brave verge]

psword is fine, probably BiS with power cycler

[noble dune]

what keystones did you get with it

[tame lichen]

unironically nerfing vet is lore accurate

[river escarp]

Im confused there are 2 keystones that do the same thing

[trim steppe]

Power sword is still good. Chainsword feels really good, so do the combat axes (antax, Rashad).

[idle dirge]

Wait, does the uptime node also count for the extra ranged enemies and ogryns if you have those?

[spark helm]

Yes

[idle dirge]

Neat.

[viscid marlin]

It takes me 2 full magdumps on my autoguns just to kill one now, its a bit more of a nerf then just that.

[idle dirge]

Probably won’t take either of them still but good to know

[spiral needle]

So is vet any good now after the update?

[thick laurel]

No

[viscid marlin]

no lol

[idle dirge]

Best to try it for yourself

[velvet wraith]

Vet went from F tier to dumpster fire in two patches

[viscid marlin]

play anything else

[velvet wraith]

Lmao

[unique sorrel]

worse at doing what it used to do, better at doing new stuff

[spark helm]

Any kill u get while exe is marked will extend. That's why it's so good vs shooter hordes. If you can't get to the big boy it doesn't matter you're not losing your utility @idle dirge

[noble dune]

depends how this keystone works

[kind scarab]

Why?

[lilac sonnet]

sjeezes dreg/scab melee guys (not elites) do too much dmg like wtf. i go from max health/toughness to insta death in 3 hits >.>

[kind scarab]

It takes me far far less

[polar kraken]

the only build that gets better after this patch is the stealth melee plasma vet build

[kind scarab]

What gun are you using?

[velvet wraith]

That’s a shame I really enjoyed my bolt gun and power sword

[delicate moat]

gotta try it yourself to truly experience it

[idle dirge]

I use revolver so I can’t afford to shoot every single shooter

[viscid marlin]

Cause i can't even get the same damage nodes as before because they are in completely seperate trees now and way too far down.

[noble dune]

ok real dumb question, but whats the difference between auryc and non auryc missions? i see theyre all 4 and 5 difficulty

[celest vine]

What I hate is that veteran isnt a must have class anymore

[sharp epoch]

I think the mark vet is the only decent choice, but its slightly worse than shout vet last patch

[velvet wraith]

Well off to play the better vet, the ogryn. The kickback just does everything a vet wished it could

[spiral needle]

I'm thinking of going plasma, the end-tree keystones feel lackluster

[tame lichen]

more enemies and loot

[noble dune]

fair enough

[viscid marlin]

AGI MKI

[celest vine]

Its better to have a second class

[spark helm]

Auric is basically just cataclysm in vt2 with extra steps and rewards yeah

[celest vine]

Two ogryns or psykers

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174049119736692787/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_20.10.00.05.mp4

[noble dune]

thanks

[kind scarab]

This is what I did, with a random Colum I had laying around

[minor brook]

boys hows the update

[river escarp]

Whats the point in picking Fleeting Fire when Always Prepared does the job just fine

[kind scarab]

I'll try with and AGI mk1

[sharp epoch]

They nerfed a lot of the talents to compensate for adding keystones though so if your not going keystones your gonna have a harder time with old build

[noble dune]

tag looks fun gotta try it out

[viscid marlin]

I had to mag dump twice even with deadshot and 3 stam curios to kill one, and only barely

[swift ingot]

It’s pretty neat

[spark helm]

Like considering how this game feels by comparison to vt2, auric is just cata difficulty. When tier 4 and 5 in darktide become a baseline for you as a player, they're inconsequential. Auric is just the one that is a lot more likely to remind you that you're playing a fatshark horde shooter on the highest difficulty.

[noble dune]

trying to decide which keystone modifiers

[trim steppe]

Auric just ensures that all the mission modifiers are intense. And requires clvl 30 to play so you don't get lowbies. No increase in loot

[noble dune]

thanks

[sharp epoch]

you need the one that keeps stacks

[brave verge]

yknow I usually never took it, does deadshot need to actively drain stamina to work?

[kind scarab]

Without building up any stacks or anything, and just using ex stance it took me less than a clip

[ivory rock]

wasn't this shit 20% before too?

[noble dune]

yes

[gusty sonnet]

yes

[ivory rock]

[frail citrus]

each ability modifier got nerfed

[kind scarab]

My Agi ain't even a good one

[spark helm]

Was strong as hell in og launch of the game but most people I ran into in pubs slept on it. Didn't need their approval because counterfire and exestance extension guaranteed a free cd and nades and ammo for ppl. Nobody went dry when I was on the mission fr. Wipes could happen and I took some Ls in dense melee but I got a power sword so I didn't care.

[stuck bridge]

It wasn't even worth taking when it was 20% lmao

[haughty marlin]

think this one's a carapace > +10% elites right here

[viscid marlin]

this is how much health mine has left after magdump 2

[sharp epoch]

Ya it was on the reddit link of stealth changes

[ivory rock]

Lemme go read thru that

So I can more

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun is best

[noble dune]

the one that gives you a higher stack cap?

[kind scarab]

I'd hazard to say it might be because of your build

[raw steppe]

wdym vet is still the best class in the game lol

[spark helm]

Unsure about now but the infantry lasguns are amazing with it.

[hearty frigate]

No gun is better than boltgun

[brave verge]

not gloryhunter to gets hot?

[raw steppe]

as long as ammo aura exists vet will remain the best class in the game

[sharp epoch]

Uhhh it should return stacks on kills I think

[viscid marlin]

I have the same stuff i would normally take, minus the nodes they moved into noman's land

[glacial forum]

I heard the Vet' class got gutted

[ivory rock]

At least my stealth krak grenade build is okay since they buffed twinned blast

[glacial forum]

I thinkt his makes him more lore accurate since he dies more often

[raw steppe]

nah reddit is delusional

don't listen to redditors

[spark helm]

^

[glacial forum]

I figured lol

[kind scarab]

Show me what you're running, cause you gotta go pretty harshly into some branches for the important nodes or else you gonna suffer

[thick laurel]

It has

[sharp epoch]

Reddit and the forums and discord is saying it 😐

[sharp hinge]

Anyone have server issues? Its been 15 minutes and i still havent entered the hub as an operative

[viscid marlin]

Something is not right.. Something is nerfing my damage. These numbers are clearly not correct

[glacial forum]

OH NO! MY +15 went to a +10! ITS FVKING OVER!

Doesnt even notice

[visual pendant]

twinned blast lmao

[spark helm]

Like I'm not saying that reality hasn't shifted some things but people's loss aversion is intense for this game fr.

[glacial forum]

Just be a chad and use the Helbores

[ivory rock]

@glacial forum not gutted, but took a huge hit overall, and the bloat is ridic on the skill tree

[unique sorrel]

some of these are pretty pointless shuffling around

[desert isle]

whats meta gun choice for vet post patch? Still plasma?

[glacial forum]

tbh I was never gonna use the Keystones - all of them are kinda useless on Auric

[hearty frigate]

Plasma never was a choice LOL

[unique sorrel]

there's no coherent build right or middle that can take the +15% on elites for example

[hearty frigate]

It sucks ass

[sharp epoch]

There's a whole lot of stealth changes like that to most of the core talents, but it adds up

[polar kraken]

Not it’s not, it was ok before the patch now it has been completely butchered

[fading anvil]

Not gutted but definitely lost some power in exchange for they keystones but the issue is the keystones are so deep into the trees it definitely feels like a hit to vet's power

[delicate moat]

i still like columnus, but i go with no keystone builds so

[spark helm]

:^)

u understand

[viscid marlin]

I just wiped it, give me yours and ill see if i can get the same results and if not maybe i'm just in a bugged instance cause this mk1 is doing maybe half of the damage that it should be. It should take maximum one mag dump to kill this crusher with what i have on.

[raw steppe]

My headcanon is that they didn't notice the tree got reset so these people are playing without any talents

[cold mason]

Any word from Fatshark regarding the initial vet tree response? Unlikely, but still curious

[raw steppe]

[ivory rock]

bringing a plague ogryn to 17k hp with 3 throws (5 grenades) is sexy what can I say

[raw steppe]

lmao

[digital gazelle]

is a stamina relic worth getting for Vet at all

[glacial forum]

IF U STAND STILL U GET MORE DAMAGE!!

Meanwhile, on Auric if ur not dodging while shooting ur gonna die in 1.2 seconds unless ur team is competent.

[kind scarab]

Like, even my recon lasgun isn't having as many issues as you're having, and that's on the same build I did the Agri on

[unkempt lagoon]

Man
Dropping Turret's Focus and grabbing some of the nice talents from other parts of the tree just feels so much better to play, ngl
Turret's Focus, imho, is map dependent lol
Some maps you're not really in one area long enough to actually make use of Marksman, and i know its probably a net damage+ having marksman, but seeing the stacks drop for just moving feels bad

[raw steppe]

stamina helps vet yes

[haughty marlin]

I really really like gets hot but I think I need consistent dreg gunner breakpoints

[hearty frigate]

Wait did they fix the plasma gun to actually be useful or is it still utter dogshit

[viscid marlin]

Yeah mine was definitely not doing that..

[raw steppe]

plasma gun has been super overpowered

[haughty marlin]

tf you talking about

[raw steppe]

for like a month now

[fading anvil]

Plasma gun fucks

[raw steppe]

LOL

[nimble hazel]

Plasma was tremendous last patch at least

I expect it'll be at least good in the current patch

[delicate moat]

I run 2x +3 stam and 1 toughness on vet

[viscid marlin]

plasma gun has always been good, people were just bad at using it

[kind scarab]

The build I'm currently running was for testing the middle tree. Do you want that one, or do you want the one using left side tree?

[fading anvil]

Wiped out like 15 scab shotgunners in two shots earlier

[hearty frigate]

Plasma used to be the worst gun in the whole game, bad at everything

So I presume they patched and fixed it based off your reaction?

[ivory rock]

yeah that one is ass, would be better if the stacks dropped slowly over time or if your aim was inconsistent

[haughty marlin]

imagine running anything BUT plasma: https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1AnrLcgh6b_BPy/d13370P02ZhR?invite=cr-MSxWS0ssMjAzNTQ0ODI5LA

[visual pendant]

Oh wait, I just realized there's a perfect weapon for standing still

[hearty frigate]

Nah early on it sucked because it’s main role of AOE/tank busting was atrocious, every other gun was a better option

[jolly cave]

Bro, when was the last time you played darktide?

[nimble hazel]

Legit was probably our second best gun in the last patch

[hearty frigate]

Like 9 or so months ago

[viscid marlin]

I was trying right side tree but either this talent is bugged or it only works on one bullet or something because i am definitely not getting that crit chance for the duration. But i have onslaught on and everything so i should still be doing substantially more damage then i was with deadshot and 3 stam curios.

[keen sleet]

What's the build? I need it cause I love my plasma

[haughty marlin]

plasma also has infinite penetration of bodies now too

[raw steppe]

no lol. early on it sucked becuase you had to vent health

[lilac sonnet]

[hearty frigate]

Oh my lawd…….

[raw steppe]

it was still good

[haughty marlin]

doesn't work anymore on this patch but lemme get it to you

[fading anvil]

Yeah it was pretty weak before the talent tree update. Now its an absolute monster

[keen sleet]

DAMN

[viscid marlin]

Even at the very beginning of launch i was using it just fine..

[idle dirge]

Have you tried it at all? Even in the meat grinder?

[raw steppe]

if you're gonna spout bullshit at least make it believable

[jolly cave]

Put your bolt gun in the dumpster, cause every gun is better than it now

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun was better in every single way….. lasguns too for efficiency….

[haughty marlin]

#darktide-pics-vids message

[viscid marlin]

only if you were above 30%

[quasi lava]

how does fatshark make the weakest class even weaker XD Please for the love of god just revert the talent changes

[swift ingot]

I’ve been running these 2

[ruby fulcrum]

I'll take a bolter over an autopistol let's be real here

[kind scarab]

Right side tree is literally just Saltzpyres Blessed Shots from Vermintide 2. It only applies on 1 bullet after a melee kill.

[raw steppe]

you obviously havent tested it lol

[raw steppe]

the stacks fall off pretty slowly

[hearty frigate]

Um I still find it fun to use because hehe

pulls trigger
bad guy go splat

[fading anvil]

Revolver dethroned the bolt gun, plasma is in a realm of its own

[minor brook]

no way its only 1 shot?

[viscid marlin]

..You're not fucking serious. It only actually works on one bullet?

[kind scarab]

Yeap

Only 1 bullet

[noble dune]

ah ha you can keep the buff up forever probably on higher difficulty

[minor brook]

are they stupid?

[viscid marlin]

What the hell am i supposed to do with one bullet?!

[haughty marlin]

cause they moved superiority complex and bring it down way down in tree you pretty much have to take a PERFECT roll plasma with flak 25 and elites 10 perks to bodyshot dreg gunners anymore, or just run middle keystone for tagging buff

[raw steppe]

lol

use a revolver

[kind scarab]

I did the testing after Azreal told me he was getting 100% crits, but found I wasn't getting the crit chance it was telling me I'd get

[nimble hazel]

That's....

[hearty frigate]

Recon lasgun I’ve heard is the worst, which is surprising because I’d assume the laspistol is the worst because it’s a pistol…..

[stone birch]

I should make a good plasma gun soon; but its so good I have come to think of it as kinda lazy.

[raw steppe]

and kill shit

[minor brook]

guess plasma then

[raw steppe]

what the fuck

[ivory rock]

yes and it is ASS because no good vet is going to stand fucking STILL, I can hit my shots but I'm not gonna be shooting a motherfucker two inches away from my face because a good vet is going to pull out their MELEE

[nimble hazel]

Man, I was actually kinda excited for the right side memes now

[grim oak]

Lucius mk2 hits so hard, ong

[low wadi]

does the ammo crate gives granades not always work?

[finite imp]

Where my anniversay cosmetics huh

[haughty marlin]

you can kill a line of dreg shotgunners in one shot LMAO

[noble dune]

so extra 12% damage hmm

[swift ingot]

It’s really nice, I also like that the tag outline is a golden sort of color when you run the keystone

[idle dirge]

I was just thinking they drain slowly enough that it’s not even an issue

[kind scarab]

I will point out. I haven't done the testing to see if the bullets after the initial shot work as the description says.

[minor brook]

didny lucius not get touched at all

[noble dune]

yea just noticed that too 😄

think i got my build set

[kind scarab]

But i can confirm that for the first melee kill you make, the first ranged shot after will always be a crit.

[idle dirge]

Keep in mind it’s for the deployable ammo crates, not the tins and bags you find

[kind scarab]

So literally just saltz's ability.

[hearty frigate]

I remember it being stopped by one guy, and it’s AOE damage was worse than the boltgun

That’s impressive

[viscid marlin]

Did plasma gun get changed now too?

[low wadi]

oh ok ty

[polar kraken]

I stg fucking fatshark was on crack when reworking vet skilltree

[idle dirge]

Np

[crude wind]

BLESS THIS SHOT

[viscid marlin]

that is such ass

[swift ingot]

Hell yeah brother, have fun

[grim oak]

I mostly just use the bayonet feature, but goddamn

[low wadi]

what keystone modifier marksman focus talent is best?

[hearty frigate]

Fifth class for heretech when

[hearty frigate]

The part where you highlight everyone

[kind scarab]

Knowing that's how it works. It gives me funny ideas for singleshot weapons. ESPECIALLY SHOTGUNS.

[viscid marlin]

so right side keystone is just a meme

[spare geyser]

What bayonet feature?

[finite imp]

ugh they didnt tweak make every shot count at all

[polar kraken]

The play testers obviously don’t play damnation +

[finite imp]

fml

[grim oak]

On the Lucius

[subtle hornet]

I DID FOCKING PENANCE NO MELEE DAMAGE, maybe its bugged, i make it even after taking damage 🙂

[finite imp]

i just wanna get that one done so i can play the fucking game normallyu

[polar kraken]

if this is the kinda shit they’re ok with

[crude wind]

Hahahaha bro sit down

[hearty frigate]

Lucius used to only be good for Krieg larp

Is it good now?

[grim oak]

It has a bayonet...on the Lucius pattern lasguns...

[unique sorrel]

they dont keep playtesters a year after release lol

[grim oak]

Always has been good

[low wadi]

there is none like that?

[hearty frigate]

Yeah there is?

[spare geyser]

Oh, but did they change someothing on it this patch?

[sleek junco]

oh shit, didn't realize patch was now

[kind scarab]

The two playtesters (I know of) for Vet are actually competant at the game. It's just Fatshark that have no idea what they're doing and don't play their game.

[stone birch]

I like the changes to be honest. Makes left side tree just silly if you know how to position yourself. And the helbore lasgun has always been good, Username. People who say it ain't just reveal they have lousy aim.

[fading anvil]

Still needs a mod to give the helbores a usable sight but otherwise they're decent

[sharp epoch]

jonny is playtester

[low wadi]

keystone mod for this?

[polar kraken]

Oh mb then

It’s fatshark’s fault

[idle dirge]

Get the one that makes you gain stacks just by standing still

[royal monolith]

so how are you dealing with nerfs

[grim oak]

Played for an hour after the dlc released, I haven't noticed any changes

[lavish hamlet]

has this always not healed past a wound?

[royal monolith]

full cope mode?

[heavy bridge]

So reddit is whining like usual, how did Vet fair with the rework?

[stone birch]

you get 3 stacks for blasting mooks in the head...

[kind scarab]

Yes, it only heals current wound. Always has.

[lavish hamlet]

ok ty

[kind scarab]

Otherwise it'd be a med station in your pocket. Too strong.

[hearty frigate]

I have good aim, I just never liked the poor firerate. The MK XII or whatever always felt better because volume of fire is effective

[grim oak]

Just...don't use a combat knife on highest difficulty

[viscid marlin]

Fatshark are definitely incompetent but this is another level of dumb..

[raw steppe]

knife is good

[idle dirge]

People are whining here too :p

[lavish hamlet]

knife good

[fading anvil]

Vet definitely took a power hit but not as bad as it sounds

[hearty frigate]

But I’m a boltgun main so I’m not a lasgun expert, I only know the basics

[sharp epoch]

Vet got a lot of its core talents nerfed, VoC nerfed, and the keystones are ok to bad.

[swift ingot]

This is the full build that I’m running atm using Laspistol

[grim oak]

Like dont get me wrong, I love the knife too, but if you're in...a sticky situation, you might be better off with perhaps a shovel

[stone birch]

in a week they will find the changes are good; at least for marksmen. Infiltration has kinda remained the same, and VoC has been nerfed; but not by so much as to be bad.

[hearty frigate]

Boltgun is best

[fading anvil]

The combat sword is my beloved, I'm addicted to the parry

[sharp epoch]

Did you see the stealth nerfs too yet?

[swift ingot]

VoC was a bit crazy with its uptime tbh

[low wadi]

what is it that sometimes cause me to sometimes have 5 granades instead of 3?

[grim oak]

It is pretty good, damage wise, however I'll stick to my lasgun

[sharp epoch]

Oh yeah VoC deserved the nerf and its still good, but the other stuff not really

[delicate moat]

maelstrom modifier? improved blitz

[keen sleet]

maelstrom def

[low wadi]

oh ok

[minor brook]

is vet still paper

[hearty frigate]

But you can’t split the enemy in half with one shot and leave them dying in a pool of their offal :c

[grim oak]

Thats...ok nvm

[crude wind]

Can be for sure. Iron will helps a lot

[sharp epoch]

vets pretty much paper unless you go shout build with iron will

[grim oak]

FIX BAYONETS!

[delicate moat]

i found that the Thy Grenade Be Swift was the hardest nerf of them all

[minor brook]

damn, was hoping id have a fighting chance with the plasma build i just finished yesterday

[hearty frigate]

Me laughing as I annihilate an entire horde of bad guys with 15 clicks

[delicate moat]

the stuns really add up hard

[sleek junco]

Man, I think my run n gun build is gone entirely

[unique sorrel]

seems middle tree is treading water with this patch -- you gain tag damage bonuses, but you lose the +15% elites damage perk, and have to commit more points to do so. that plus the voc makes it an overall nerf at least for middle tree vet

[winter dock]

Just woke up, hopes the new stuff

hows*

[grim oak]

Part 1 is here

[crude wind]

This

[sharp epoch]

Yeah shout vet is slightly worse than lasy patch even with keystone

[grim oak]

Or out at least

[raw steppe]

it's good, but reddit is whiny as usual

[ivory rock]

It's the vet tree of all time

[crude wind]

RIP secret best talent

[stable wind]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-sully-you-go-to-sleep-go-to-sleep-go-to-bed-gif-22295511

[hearty frigate]

Every single time I’ve met a Krieg larper they never say a single thing, have the highest performance, and carry the team with a single thumb

[grim oak]

Reddit will always be whiny

[swift ingot]

At least there’s a bit of an insensitive to run the damage buff due to VoC’s crazy uptime

[visual pendant]

Nice

[crude wind]

Sounds very on brand

[torpid hedge]

Keep or dump. The spread is pretty ass, but idk if that matters

[minor brook]

i personally die trying to skewer a mauler with a bayonet

[keen sleet]

My charging plasma gun getting prematurely shot off while some fodder trash swiping at me has made me infuriated

[crude wind]

Upgrade

[grim oak]

I don't use autoguns much

[mystic belfry]

66 is enough stability

[hearty frigate]

We need adeptus scion drip

[crude wind]

You likely won't notice the stab

[keen sleet]

Weapons*

[hearty frigate]

I want to be a space marine larper with my boltgun >:/

[winter dock]

stability is important to keep their max spread down but that is a usable roll yeah

[grim oak]

Probably will release at some point

[nimble sentinel]

just got home, what's the new skill tree like fellas?

[minor brook]

hope pt 2 of this update comes with new weapons

[grim oak]

We already got Krieg

[torpid hedge]

[minor brook]

i want new toys

[winter dock]

WE need that buff as shit shirtless Catachan drip

[torpid hedge]

shafted

[mystic belfry]

Not happy about the skill tree tbh, but you can still play it

[calm prairie]

Wdym you don’t like playing slots for a chance of getting a better gun

[mystic belfry]

But overall nerfed a good bit

[winter dock]

From what I hear speedload isn't bad

[thorn lark]

😦 remember what they took from us

[hearty frigate]

Umm, that would be conflicting with other weapons

[kind scarab]

So, I guess we're officially saltzpyre now if we go right tree capstone. Which means you don't really need surgical and stuff on singleshot weapons if you don't intend to spam fire them.

[winter dock]

Considering its braced, you're basicalyl always getting that buff

[crude wind]

I'm having similar issues on my pure marksman builds. Running the coherency toughness talent and the 10% TDR in marksman tree is alright

[heavy parcel]

Vet need melee buff over marksman

[grim oak]

I love this game...

[sharp epoch]

Haha marksman is very dead this patch, they made it even harder to get survivabillity options like iron will with keystones

[midnight mortar]

Hey what the fuck happened to the Krieg set rebreather box?

[celest vine]

If you dont take any keystones you can still make your old build

[mystic belfry]

Well specifically bounty hunter but yeah

[torpid hedge]

My damage

[untold mulch]

Revolver bois get another W

[keen sleet]

These guns are more RNG than actual slots

[crude wind]

Hadron strikes again

[inland orchid]

Spray a horde, watch as a fresh mag flys into the right place

[mystic belfry]

A nerfed version yes

[crude wind]

I was cracking up over this

[celest vine]

Bruuuuhhhh💀

[midnight mortar]

I know I complained the box was too bulky but god damn.

This is not what I had in mind.

[untold mulch]

GOT 2D

[crude wind]

"REDUCE Z AXIS"

[sharp epoch]

clipping issues^^

[glacial forum]

I need a good Helbore build fr

[celest vine]

I play ranged vet so not really nerfed

[midnight mortar]

All they had to do was size it down for fuck's sake.

[crude wind]

FIXED

[inland orchid]

Heheh a ogryn sat on it

[mystic belfry]

Ranger vet is nerfed too, but less so

[celest vine]

Slight buff actually, one extra perk point

[midnight mortar]

Fucking insane.

[mystic belfry]

I play melee vet

[inland orchid]

Is all thin now

[iron marten]

haha slim edition ™️

[untold mulch]

Everyday I am more and more sure Fatshark are three fishes on a trenchcoat

[crude wind]

That's what £10 of his majesty's finest will get ya

[brisk umbra]

What do you want on shovel?

[kind scarab]

It got the PS2 treatment

and lost weight

[grim oak]

Ultimate build: Lucius Mk2 + Shovel + Krak

[fading anvil]

Holy fuck what did they do to the Krieg coat lmai

[midnight mortar]

Just reduce one axis and call it a day...

[fading anvil]

Lmao

[grim walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-27048064

[iron marten]

at least I can still do a decent laspistol build 🙏

[untold mulch]

Get the intern to fix it

easy

[midnight mortar]

Despite the fact that psyker has an already appropriately sized box right there.

[hearty frigate]

I just realized something

[unique sorrel]

breathing privileges revoked

[untold mulch]

[hearty frigate]

We need Naval Armsmen drip

[crude wind]

If it isn't old Killburn Slaughtermaim

[midnight mortar]

😔

[topaz lance]

They messed up the tagging keybind

[swift ingot]

This is the setup I’ve been running with Laspistol as of late, lots of fun

[hearty frigate]

Naval Armsmen drip when

It’s literally human power armor in all but actuality

[kind scarab]

Honestly, I agree.

[glacial forum]

So I can finally remove that mod huh

[kind scarab]

That is probably the one thing they didn't screw up somehow this patch

that I've noticed so far

[delicate moat]

anyone notice the doggos are doing funny this patch?

[covert badger]

Does dream team show your mission number or is it still blank

[pulsar shore]

Never played snipe-boltgun, should roll flack and maniac?

[delicate moat]

sometimes dogs sink into the floor

[grim walrus]

Got all vet´s already, but handy for the other characters.

[grim oak]

Buy and equip all the Krieg skins on Darktide, check. Use a Lucius and bayonet charge, check. My life is complete.

[celest vine]

Why wasnt this in the game to start with wtf

[mystic belfry]

Also note how many vet talents got nerfed

[wispy oyster]

finally got simple QoL after a whole ass year

[minor brook]

hows the new mission

[mystic belfry]

And kickback is untouched

[iron marten]

interesting, this is mine

[hexed bison]

actual L update to veterans, what was Fatshark thinking?

[delicate moat]

long and hard

[minor brook]

also does middle tree work like i think it does? do i ping people?

[sharp epoch]

fatshark making bank

[swift ingot]

Also I just noticed that they fixed the Commissar hat removing your hair

[hearty frigate]

New drip for the Veteran?? 🥺🥺

Naval Armsmen

[minor brook]

awesome, hope the rewards are cool too

[hearty frigate]

Naval Armsmen

[grim oak]

Also check.

[ivory rock]

That'll be 30$ and the helm comes seperate from the bundle

[delicate moat]

opposite, plasteel etc can be in very obscure corners far from main path

[minor brook]

they aint conning me no more i already got my krieger uniform

[mystic belfry]

People actually blowing money on the cosmetics confuses me tbh

[viscid marlin]

man bring it down is so far into the tree now

[idle dirge]

Good choice

[minor brook]

dammit

[radiant chasm]

It shouldnt

[sharp epoch]

hey people do it on val for a knife

[gusty rain]

Man this new tree is some serious horseshit.

[sharp epoch]

40 dollar knifes

[hardy gale]

The finale in the new map is very meh, I figured there would have been something than just push button > kill people > end

[mystic belfry]

That’s also dumb

[hearty frigate]

It’s scummy that the early purchase bundle give you 2,500 of those credits

And then they charged 2,700 for every single outfit bundle

[gusty rain]

They exacerbates every problem it had.

[hearty frigate]

Cunts

[worldly anchor]

I blow money cosmetics, I blow money for the emperor, I blow the emper- I jus blow money man

[minor brook]

thats healthy

[radiant chasm]

It is just a fact of life both 40k fans and videogame fans

[radiant chasm]

Imperial edition not early purchase

[thorn lark]

I wish confirmed kill and iron will traded place tbh. And now I really need to sacrifice some stuff If I want to go infiltrate + Regen grenade without ammo aura

[radiant chasm]

But yea that does suck

[minor brook]

is exhilarating takedown still bugged

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[fading anvil]

Still?? Fuck

[minor brook]

whar

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[polar kraken]

vets are so frail now

[celest vine]

[sharp epoch]

it was known and they didnt fix it 😐

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[minor brook]

i dont understand why make number changes to a bugged talent

[celest vine]

I guess I need more toughness curios

[polar kraken]

confirmed kill nerf hits hard

[worldly anchor]

Atleast the revolver can one shot maulers now with the keystones 😂

[midnight mortar]

Be careful what you wish for. You could get another monkey's paw situation like with the Krieg set.

[minor brook]

🤓

[fast scaffold]

If you want an easy class go play psyker instead, veterans are in Chad only territory now

[fading anvil]

The krieg stuff was so botched imo

[minor brook]

what was the controversy

[grim walrus]

I simply invest only a small amount of left overs or the small amount I know I won´t use anyways.
Supporting the team is my goal, mainly because of Vermintide.
But man, 1400 for a helmet?

[minor brook]

i just bought it

[hearty frigate]

Wdym?

[bleak tendon]

our shit is bugged, again. go to zealot

[iron marten]

you can oneshot crushers without the keystones lmao

[celest vine]

No tubes to the respirator box

[stuck bridge]

Member when vet had 200 base toughness slol

[wispy oyster]

Revolver was oneshotting crushers last patch... what do you mean?

[minor brook]

oh

[sharp epoch]

ogryn

[haughty marlin]

haha funni speedyvet time

gonna run this with all sprint efficiency curios

[minor brook]

oh yea

[worldly anchor]

I havn't discovered that, i just go boltgun full auto and hope it works lmao

[grim walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-warhammer40k-warhammer-berserker-gif-16784535

[mystic belfry]

Between the prices of the cosmetics and the fact that every update is mixed hood and bad, and that they still haven’t addressed core issues

[ivory rock]

why is it FLAT

[sharp epoch]

I feel like theyre still balanxing like he has 200 toughness

[mystic belfry]

In what world do they deserve extra support

Already bought the game

[midnight mortar]

This was their "fix" to address complaints about it being too bulky compared to the actual size of the rebreather box.

[glacial peak]

man... vet sure does feel worse when you are getting stunned

[viscid marlin]

So what is the Exhilarating takedown bug?

[iron marten]

ooo, need to try out the boltgun this patch as well, see if the new talent tree disappoints boltgun vets

[desert isle]

might be because im playing it wrong, but left tree vet sucks ass to play, i hate not being able to move

[glacial forum]

Me looking at my 180 Toughness on Vet'

[hearty frigate]

Dear lord 💀

[minor brook]

you take more toughness damage apparently

[viscid marlin]

...wait what

[celest vine]

Give vet an extra 50 toughness them the fragility is solved

[stuck bridge]

looking pretty pinned there

[worldly anchor]

It makes the boltgun a bit nicer to play actually.

[crude wind]

I want iron will opposite cool down talent

[keen sleet]

Thy Grenades Be Swift sure spoiled us

[fading anvil]

ET actually increases damage taken

Not decreases

[keen sleet]

And somehow wasnt fixed with the rework #2

[worldly anchor]

You can practically reload full ammo without actually reloading the weapon at all.

[winter dock]

Good god they didn't fix our tree at all

[mystic belfry]

And the fix on there end is probably just changing from a negative to positive

[sharp epoch]

it got fixed

[winter dock]

Literally all they dip was swap the last two nodes on each line with keysones

[iron marten]

yeah with weapons specialist right?

[worldly anchor]

Correcto

[wispy oyster]

They somehow messed up one line of code and are unable to change it in a timely manner. Meaning it makes you take more damage instead of reducing it

[minor brook]

there are so many tooltips that are bugged as well

[winter dock]

Brush we ain't got enough points for that shit -_-

[viscid marlin]

@minor brook how much more?

[celest vine]

We didnt tell them about it 3 months in advance

Sorry

[minor brook]

does anyone even know how volatile works really

[iron marten]

I'll give that a spin, cheers

[minor brook]

i dont

i spent 15 minutes trying to figure it out

[bitter turtle]

they kept shocktrooper

but why

[hearty frigate]

As a boltgun main I see no real issues beyond the low ammo capacity, but I still don’t find myself running out so I don’t care that much

[glacial peak]

imo stuns just feel like ass and the game feeling better play when you used the node meant the game would improve if they were gone :)

[junior needle]

Recons left in the dumpster for another patch 😂

[sharp epoch]

30%

[worldly anchor]

I go from voice of command and then straight down the right, gives a lot of survivability plus the extra ranged damage

[viscid marlin]

jesus

[minor brook]

not sure about the exact numbers

[swift ingot]

A lot of y’all’s complaints are justified I just wanted to make a quick joke

[minor brook]

wait 30%?

[stuck bridge]

It makes charge rate better. Which in most scenarios makes you do less damage because charge rate is scuffed as fuck

[hearty frigate]

Recons are cringe, just make a normal lasgun automatic

[minor brook]

oh god

[sharp epoch]

it stacks 3 times 10%

[sleek junco]

Is marksmans Focus even usable? How are you supposed to stand still?

[celest vine]

Veterans only innate ability is to peak over walls in cover

[viscid marlin]

it stacks up 3 times

[winter dock]

You- sniffle- You shut up!

[celest vine]

Why cant he have extra ammo?

Ogryns get a flat 20% Damage reduction

[delicate moat]

you play like a true marksman: hold still for the shot, tight movements to relocate

[wispy oyster]

literally just a difference between making it positive vs negative. The change would take them 10 seconds to fix

[winter dock]

Recons would 100% be ohkay and fine usable if they had bigger reserves

[stone birch]

you get 3 seconds of movement and 3 stacks per kill. you are not supposed to stand still, just keep shooting.

[minor brook]

for some reason charge rate is so weird, high charge rate makes you do less damage?

[odd schooner]

Cus vet is in balance jail

[swift ingot]

Because Ogryn is best

[hearty frigate]

I will split you in half with a pre-nerf power sword.

[minor brook]

i really dont get it man

[junior needle]

They're so shit that's what I've been doing with the autofire mod, but the infantry lasguns bounce way too much even with max stability

[celest vine]

Well thats fair

[stuck bridge]

In reality you just play normally and keep a couple stacks for a very meh bonus.

[minor brook]

crab walk vet

[grim walrus]

It has a use, so long someone likes it, it is fine.
Now, I do want a Hot-Shot Vollygun.

[kind scarab]

I ran a recon earlier and had no issues. Never even ran out of ammo.

[worldly anchor]

If you close your eyes, the emperor can't see that you miss!

[sharp epoch]

And 55% damage reduction from operator nodes and FNP

[celest vine]

Vet could get extra ammo tho

[noble onyx]

Mmm, I love Veteran having 99 total nodes when the other classes have around 80

[winter dock]

How many people on your team were taking ammo boxes?

[midnight mortar]

Veteran must pay the ranged tax.

[lilac heron]

And having the overall weakest nodes too

[winter dock]

Considering it takes over an entire clip to kill anything heavier than a scab shooter..

[hearty frigate]

Hotshot volley, lucious, and MK XXI all having to compete for being the high damage, high firerate gun:

[kind scarab]

The only ammo I picked up was on accident

Out of habit

[bitter turtle]

man

new tree feels like a nerf almost lol

[midnight mortar]

*mag

[bitter turtle]

or at least i feel like i cant take everything i want from before

[noble onyx]

It literally is a nerf

[lilac heron]

It is

[winter dock]

I cannot believe that. Was that Auric Damn?

[sleek junco]

Gonna try recon now. No final keystones still lmao

[winter dock]

or even regular damn hell

[bitter turtle]

rippo

[midnight mortar]

Overall it is in terms of talent taxes.

[bitter turtle]

i havent tried it in game yet

[worldly anchor]

The best way to give vet extra ammo is to give them a higher % of ammo requisition during scavenger.

[kind scarab]

You probably haven't built for the recon that well then

[junior needle]

2/3's of the models wouldn't. The dps on the 2 and 7a is just way too low. Even the 6d is easily outmatched by multiple guns, especially now that columnus IAG can get like 3.3k headshot dps WITHOUT volley fire. Mk2, gray 80% damage, talentless. Sub 500 maniac dps.

[bitter turtle]

so i didnt want to say "nerf"

[winter dock]

There's no way you aren't running out of ammo like mad unless you're using your melee 90% of the time

[sharp epoch]

have you even seen the stealth nerfs

[kind scarab]

Regular damn

[mystic belfry]

Outside of specific things you do with capstone, it’s an outright nerf

[bitter turtle]

ya i did

[hearty frigate]

The new tree isn’t a nerf but it does leave some things to be desired, like a few more points so I can unlock everything that isn’t softlocked

[tidal garden]

Nah the tree is good bro. All the core nodes get a -33% to -50% slash in exchange for gimmicks

[bitter turtle]

i wasnt sure if the keystone made up for it cause I havent tried it in action

[mystic belfry]

And a pretty decent one too

[bitter turtle]

but i noticed the lower numbers and i find it harder to get everything iw ant lol

[kind scarab]

You can see from the scoreboard how much I used my recon

[sharp epoch]

na they dont and its hard af to reach keystones

[bitter turtle]

that i had before

[sharp epoch]

21 nodes to reach a single leystone

[mystic belfry]

Marksman is no -20% weak point damage… less than the node that is an unconditional 30%

[grand vessel]

Bruh what are you mfs doin out here on tertium

[mystic belfry]

Actually monkey typewriter change

[worldly anchor]

No its not?

[lilac heron]

I would like to use my gun more than my melee as the literal gun class, but fatshark seems to really dislike the gun class using guns effectively for some reason

[minor brook]

so is recon back on the menu boys?

[kind scarab]

@winter dock https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173960287863451718/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_14.17.57.03.mp4

This is from my testing earlier in the morning

Recon is fine

[winter dock]

I see it now, so basically a 50/50 split for the most part. I see you never actually used it in hordes pretty much ever

[sharp epoch]

21 node, psyker takes 17, ogryn and zealot take 18

[minor brook]

aint half bad

[stuck bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-what-did-you-gif-22252307

[kind scarab]

Magdumping on hordes of pox you mean?

[delicate moat]

what

[winter dock]

or shooters/shotgunner hordes

[lilac sonnet]

"fatal error out of memory" GG fatshark

[bitter turtle]

the problem is you can do the exact same on an iag without having dumpster maniac dmg

[kind scarab]

I shot every gunner+shotgunner I saw

[winter dock]

poxxers/dregs aren't really worth shooting at unless they're mixed with heavier stuff and just need to die

[kind scarab]

I didn't really have issues with maniacs either. They just burn.

[worldly anchor]

Doesn't make it any more difficult though, vet needing smaller points would make him broken.

[delicate moat]

i need FS to please fix the damn audio

[bitter turtle]

it objectively does like 1/3rd dps of a columnus vs maniac

[winter dock]

Yes PLEASE FS

[hearty frigate]

Weakpoint damage is useless because it only is useful on a number of enemies you can count on one hand

[delicate moat]

dead things making sounds, alive things not making sounds

[candid bridge]

But lasguns are cooler

[swift ingot]

Once again, life is good for VoC vets

[bitter turtle]

sadge recon days
https://i.gyazo.com/b51f5ce7408a0795d61c19cc608d0a89.jpg

[sharp epoch]

Vet's not even close to broken right now ._.

[mystic belfry]

What

[winter dock]

for the love of christ I can't play the game when 80% of the specials are perfectly silent cuz of a glitch

[lilac sonnet]

i need fatshark to make scab/dreg melee duds to be less dangerous then elites

[worldly anchor]

I never said he was?

[stuck bridge]

Ironically the shredder pistol with marksman is kinda good lol.

[fluid wagon]

damn man does this still happen

[sharp epoch]

At least keep keystones at 17-18 like the other classes

[winter dock]

yes it does

[edgy condor]

Is it though? 50 toughness instead of the 100 we had feels bad

[fluid wagon]

that's my biggest gripe with the game tbh is the audio bug

[winter dock]

IF there are too many things happening at once all audio channels break and what little audio does get through is stuttered and broken

[junior needle]

1/3 of the recons are "fine" if you take the required talent taxes and have volley on, albeit inferior to meta guns and chugging far too much ammo. 2/3 are still dogshit.

[lilac heron]

Audio sucks

We still desparately need rager and crusher audio

Fucking vermintide had audio for plague monks and chaos warriors

[winter dock]

poxxer audio breaking is the worst shit

[wispy oyster]

*Vet with full auto guns is fine, recon is pretty ass comparatively, only one of the models is performing at an acceptable level.

[lilac heron]

Yet these guys show up in swarms and sneek around

[worldly anchor]

We need trapper an pox' audio to sound actually behind us.

[winter dock]

Ragers do have audio

very distinct actually

[kind scarab]

My guy. You're making excuses. It's called a build. I made one and it works. Things are dying. It's really that simple.

[hybrid river]

Crushers and ragers do have audio but it rarely plays

[polar kraken]

can VoC still block sniper shots and pox?

[delicate moat]

on auric or anything intense all the audio cues start getting cut / silent / jumbled up

[winter dock]

Crushers have audio too but its hard to hear

[swift ingot]

It was bound to be nerfed, it was way too crazy

[stuck bridge]

You have any idea how surprised I was when I saw a video showcasing the withal rager and crusher voiceless. Never heard them in game in 800hrs

[kind scarab]

And yeah, I ain't having problems with maniacs either

[celest vine]

Bro even the youtube comments are telling fatshark about how they completely butchered the veteran tree

💀💀💀💀

[astral blade]

is it just me or has the ammo eco become even worse since this new patch?

[worldly anchor]

Audio does need an overhaul, but then again, I can't hear shit over my boltgun

[winter dock]

It doesn't look like they actually changed anything

[celest vine]

Its not just a discord thing

[bitter turtle]

you have exec stance on, and i never said you couldn't kill them, obv you can

[keen sleet]

I nearly got cooked because the pilot light enemy noise was muffled so much

[bitter turtle]

but i posted the dmg comparison

[delicate moat]

what if vet has a 30% better audio cues (better hearing) aura

[bitter turtle]

it literally has 1/3rd the dps

vs iag

[worldly anchor]

Nah

[spark helm]

People got problems with trappers now?

[kind scarab]

I always have ex stance on in my missions. It's pretty much never off.

[balmy terrace]

Ngl more audio issues are popping up the more I play this game. Had a crusher sneak up on me last night, which is just funny considering chaos warriors clank around in verm

[stuck bridge]

Why does something being good justify being cut in half though. Why not like 75 lol

[worldly anchor]

Just cant hear em

[bitter turtle]

then you would delete them even faster with iag lol

[delicate moat]

yes, sometimes the trapper sounds aren't properly played

[edgy condor]

Typical tonedeaf fatshark. It’s like they’re trying to displease their own community

[swift ingot]

Meh

[winter dock]

from what I can see all they really did was replace the final two nodes on each line- which literally NOONE ever took anyways- with keystones. So now we kind of HAVE to give up critically important mechanics nodes because keystones xd

[bitter turtle]

also that means you are forced to take exec stance regardless, which is even more build inflexibility

either way, it doesnt have an advantage to make up for it

[kind scarab]

That's not the point. The point is that you can run the recon, things die quicker than they can reach you and you don't need to pick up ammo.

[wispy oyster]

less than half the DPS of IAGs

[bitter turtle]

besides removing skill issue of recoil

[worldly anchor]

You dont have to run keystones

[bitter turtle]

you can run a grey gun and still do auric

ofc you CAN run it

[spark helm]

Mhm. I haven't okayed since the patch but I'm a paranoid shit so I'm constantly scanning for anything that's a disabler

[bitter turtle]

but what does it bring to the table

besides cool laser shower

[winter dock]

I mean yeah but it feels like they're too good to give up. That focus fire one especially looks god tier to me idk

[celest vine]

Im begging you to not to, theyre just another point sap

[lilac heron]

Fatshark had a ton of perfectly working things in vermintide (eventually. After much fixing) and forgot all of it on purpose it seems for darktide. And is vehemently opposed to bringing the good stuff over.

[viscid marlin]

fuck my life i cant even get agile engagement now cause they moved that too

[bitter turtle]

they need to give it something to have its own edge over the other guns that are just "it but better"

[celest vine]

They’re not as good as you think for the sheeer level of points you need to sink to get to them

[junior needle]

Did you mistake me for someone else? Everything I said is factually correct. 2/3 of the recons have dumpster dps, the 2 and the 7a. The 6d also chugs too much ammo for its dps and is overly reliant on onslaught to fix its shit damage modifiers.

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, all i'm really missing is the stun immunity :V

[bitter turtle]

in fact they could have had that if they just didn't touch the damn thing lol

[spark helm]

Was finna say, bro the fucking trapper literally announce themselves with hilariously smarmy sounding voice lines.

Hehehehehehe im gonna getcha

[next niche]

Nerf vet

From zealots

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah, discord replied to wrong person

[celest vine]

SCARRY LOYALISTS

[wispy oyster]

You would be dumb not to after they pulled power away from everything else to make room for the keystones

[kind scarab]

And yeah 2 and 7 are absolutely in the dumps still

[minor brook]

crabwalk

[winter dock]

Psyker keystones are a bit of wor kactually

[spark helm]

I got all the smoke for trappers the same way I despise smokers in l4d2. Fuck em.

[bitter turtle]

you know

[spark helm]

Kill em all

[winter dock]

not the warp charges but disrupt dest and empowered require some usin

[sharp epoch]

warp charges and empower psionics come passively almost from kills

[minor brook]

i thought the capstones last patch were not worth taking but at least you got value easily from them

[sharp epoch]

disrupt destiny is some aiming tho

[swift ingot]

With Focus Target you just wait a second then tag

[celest vine]

Empowered psiconics literally does

[minor brook]

needing to stand still is gonna get you killed a lot