veteran-class

[midnight patrol]

Okay I think Agri shotgun can actually do some good now

[dapper spear]

youre an idiot

[midnight patrol]

Sadly another mission fail due to no one having a shout to clutch

[karmic musk]

Its still good

[slow spade]

Damn 😔

[dapper spear]

you literally arent reading any messages i send because youre too busy flexing

[sharp epoch]

wat difficulty

[dapper spear]

go do your auric damnation scoreboard mission

[crude wind]

is that a bug? sounds like fun to me 🙂

[wanton dawn]

I promise to do my best to make a build without born leader. And without keystones

[atomic zephyr]

I just did carnival on damnation and it seemed the normal amount of gunners?

[umbral scaffold]

aight, ty

[timber raven]

you must have shot them

[dapper spear]

the map is sick

[serene sage]

damn dude be bossing me around
i said tonight

[dapper spear]

its just the director at the end makes that last bit insanely fucking annoying

[fathom wedge]

The map is pretty neat, not sure how I feel about the finale.

[midnight patrol]

Heresy

[atomic zephyr]

i did, yea
prioritized them even

[fathom wedge]

I dunno where the best bet for camping is there.

[atomic zephyr]

they just died, it’s crazy

[sharp epoch]

if its failing on heresy its not that good...

[timber raven]

if only others had your immense game sense

[wanton dawn]

It is about my pride as a veteran

[crude wind]

camping is a trap

[hollow turtle]

Well. I haven't won yet, but that was some pretty piss poor circumstances.

[crude wind]

you have to rotate around the top

[candid sierra]

Yes however power cycler to get that old powersword feel.

[atomic zephyr]

my brain is simply too large

[crude wind]

and close the gates that spawn the mobs

[fathom wedge]

Oh you can do that?

[crude wind]

yes

[fathom wedge]

I just bruteforced it with my psyker friend.

[midnight patrol]

Failed because everyone got downed at the same time, was sitll pulling its weight right till that moment

[barren fulcrum]

dude who needs gamesense when you can-

[fathom wedge]

[crude wind]

on the lower levels there are interactable gates

[sharp epoch]

im suprised they dodnt nerf kickback though with all the vet nerfs 😹

[narrow laurel]

after 1 year in darktide

[calm vine]

I hope we get to keep the new ai director, itll teach those players who run ahead solo

[crude wind]

grats!

[karmic musk]

heresy

[sharp epoch]

yeah but with a better gun you can solo carry

[spark arrow]

congrats. welcome to the power sword party

[tired trellis]

I'm still waiting for mine, congrats

[midnight patrol]

There's truly something about the Carnival map that is just wrecking us

[crude wind]

also works, dome is strong

[umbral scaffold]

what traits should I look for?

[near shore]

You know what might help the new middle tree keystone? Passive highlighted targets. At max charge it'll highlight 3 random special/elite/ogryn and you can manually mark still

[calm vine]

Congrats

[karmic musk]

Hmm sounds like some class that shoots lightning

[crude wind]

high enemy density, gotta bring a party with some toughness replenish

[dapper spear]

the only thing making my head hurt is the fact people are rabidly defending obvious issues with the director that came with the patch and are most obvious on the new map and just saying 'wow you just need to play better' and then providing 0 value to the discussion or proving their point whatsoever

[terse idol]

That's a good point

And we gotta be careful

[dapper spear]

the only actual response was 'just use curios for gunners' and thats not fun gameplay

[terse idol]

No no no, like

[hollow turtle]

Had a small bug briefly where my lasgun didn't have a flashlight

[dapper spear]

people saying that it is are again just being contrarian because its funny to them

[barren fulcrum]

tombstone...

[terse idol]

Gunner res curious

[barren fulcrum]

listen to me....

[terse idol]

Were meta before

[terse idol]

Okay?

[atomic zephyr]

the enemies come from harder to predict directions, especially the amphitheater

[dim citrus]

I don't get what's the purpose of traits that have bonuses when no enemies are close to you in a melee focused game

[nimble hazel]

So I'm guessing the new patch has made the AI Director very gunner happy?

[celest vine]

Excellent

[dapper spear]

sure but even if you do use them the damage isnt even the main problem

[nimble hazel]

Haven't had a chance to try shit out yet

[dim citrus]

Left side of the tree feels weird

[dapper spear]

its the slowdown from the gunfire

[terse idol]

There is some reasonable degree of min maxing curious that damnantion and more so auric damnation demands

[hollow turtle]

Never played through it. Complete blackout? Challenge accepted.

[acoustic bloom]

but unironically just shoot them

[celest vine]

I could get resupply alllies done sol er

[dapper spear]

you could say that

[barren fulcrum]

!!!

[calm vine]

Not only gunner happy

[terse idol]

Gunner res curious were recommended last patch and they'll be recommended now

Thats not changing

[atomic zephyr]

dude
MG1A lasgun
executioners stance
pop up from behind cover, annihilate them with a headshot

[dapper spear]

although here you will find a bunch of people ravenously saying its fine

[candid sierra]

Honestly just Power Cycler feels required on Pswords

[atomic zephyr]

it’s not that hard

[celest vine]

Me telling veterans to use the gun they have

[silent bone]

As a 1000 hour Darktide player with all classes maxed and played regularly what the hell are these keystones I aint taking a single one they are all gimmicks

[barren fulcrum]

me telling tombstone how to win

[dapper spear]

latter

[atomic zephyr]

yeah I’m not happy with the marksman keystone

[silent bone]

and I LOVE every other class tree

[calm vine]

Slaughterer, sunder or the brittleness on hit

[sharp epoch]

we gotta do circus tricks for our keystones bro

[celest vine]

Maybe spot targets jn the middle is decent

[nimble hazel]

Yeah how's the community opinion on the new Vet tree

[dapper spear]

and people are just saying the stupidest shit for basically no reason

[silent bone]

rofl

[celest vine]

Its a drain, im not gonns take a keystone

[nimble hazel]

The fuck?

[stuck crystal]

Anyone tried VoC with a Hellbore?

[dapper spear]

that would be fair, i havent tried the others, the new map seems to be absolutely busted because of the gunner problem

[sharp epoch]

also in addition to the bad keystones they did a lot of stealth nerfs because we got the keystones

[dapper spear]

which again was my main point

[karmic musk]

I did

[timber raven]

you asked someone to upload an entire video of completing the mission, as if its impossible

[sharp epoch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17v1okc/vet_stealth_nerfs_and_buffs_written_out/

[stuck crystal]

I'd run revolver but my vet doesn't have a good one yet

[dim citrus]

I haven't experimented much but the middle one is fine

[crude wind]

LOL look what they did to Krieg Jacket

[atomic zephyr]

im just happy nightsider plays on the new level

[celest vine]

Id rather have the old tree and no keystones

[dapper spear]

because i have an open mind and would be fine being proved wrong

[stuck crystal]

Yay or nay?

[calm vine]

And with the new maps open areas... well a lot of people are failing the new map

[grim widget]

any current stand out talent builds for vets utilizing braced auto and power sword?

[silent bone]

alright ill try it I guess Im a tag whor

[dapper spear]

what is your point exactly

[karmic musk]

Nth really changed except I got a shiny new Yellow tag

[serene sage]

Was it? You came here crying about gunners in general and now it's the new map?

[sharp epoch]

yeah they pretty much killed some talents, and nerfed a lot of the heavily used ones even though vet was performing the worst already

[dapper spear]

if they want to do it and they can, and i want to see it happen so i know what im doing wrong if its not the level or director being broken, who cares

[celest vine]

Ill try a build with the middle keystone, ill be fair to it

[dapper spear]

you are such an edgelord contrarian

[stuck crystal]

Nice, I'll give it a whirl. I've been wanting to run VoC with revolver but my vet lacks a good one. And the Hellbore MkIII I have is insane

[dim citrus]

They don't stack with other vets tag buffs I believe so it's not insane if you stack Vets

[celest vine]

But the left keystone seems to promote a terrible playstyle

[nimble hazel]

All of this is exceedingly disappointing and I'm sad that shit wasn't in the patch notes

[barren fulcrum]

tbf he just said that there was a not normally amount of gunners in the new map

[dapper spear]

provided 0 useful input the entire discussion

[sharp epoch]

Middle keystones probably the only decent one, but only with the one that lets you keep stacks on kills

[languid escarp]

Was it though? I see people spamming support vet all the time last patch

[nimble hazel]

So what I'm hearing is maybe give it a few days before I play again?

[dapper spear]

i literally said i havent tested the others and on the new map it seems like according to others its the 10x gunner spawns

[south garnet]

They should just give vets 5 more points for free as a class bonus instead of fking up the tree more lol

[karmic musk]

I completed it multiple times, its fine

[terse idol]

The consensus seems to be its much vet tree is weaker

[haughty marlin]

There's just a lot more gunners in general now

[terse idol]

It miiight be

[grim dawn]

nah lets add another branch

[terse idol]

Give it a try

[calm vine]

Ive only played the new map 5 times failed 2 times and won 3, i dont know the spot youre talking about uet

[nimble hazel]

The new map is not my concern, the skill tree is

[dim citrus]

What difficulty?
I have barely met gunners on the new map

[celest vine]

How many perk points does it take to get to the keystone on OTHER classes?

[idle dirge]

It’s all just doomposting imo. Some things might be weaker, sure, but it’s not that big of a deal

[nimble hazel]

I can deal with the director being a bit overexcitable lmao

[celest vine]

15?

[karmic musk]

I mean if you were enjoying Vet patch 13/14, its still the same?

[timber raven]

one person saying "overtuned gunners, I cant win" and everyone else saying "no I disagree" isnt much of a conversation tbh

[grim dawn]

if you play in damnation its normal

[haughty marlin]

Y'all are sleeping on the far right keystone, I think bolter/chainsword is gonna be crazy good

[terse idol]

I mean FS just needs to sit down with like some vet mains and balance the tree

[dim citrus]

I would be fine with it if there was more crossing

[cosmic lark]

No

[dapper spear]

??? this literally makes no sense

[terse idol]

Its not over for vet bur yeah its just crying because it's day 1

[dapper spear]

thats how discussions work

[dim citrus]

But it's very COMMIT ONE SIDE

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I played all the classes last patch, every ogryn subclass is amazing, psyker every subclass is decent scrier a little less but usable, zealot each of the subclasses were decent for what role they performed, meanwhile shout vet was the only good one of the bunch

[barren fulcrum]

what exactly is overkill btw

[dapper spear]

you are vastly oversimplifying the responses

[celest vine]

Greneade regen should he this middle point here

[brazen ether]

how are we feeling about the new keystones

[terse idol]

Melee vet was fiine

[south garnet]

I still think they should get rid of the talent tree for vet completely, make them use a walking stick and bring back double damage on sprint, get rid of all ults and turn talent tree into a family tree of all your vet relatives who died in the war

[idle dirge]

Hopefully none of the vet mains in here

[calm vine]

The tag ability should be a separate key to default tag

[mortal horizon]

what you guys using now for plasma + ps6 - which keystone are people liking

[dapper spear]

people are making specific arguments for it not being broken or the map not having problems with spawns

[barren fulcrum]

i see...now i understand why i have so much

[haughty marlin]

I'm actually glad they nerfed the recon vld now, woulda been busted with new keystones

[celest vine]

This pijnt

[brazen ether]

i think they shoudl let orgyn mains balance it

[potent iris]

the tree is fine outside there being too many nodes

[haughty marlin]

Unironically

[sharp epoch]

Shout vet with melee yes, and that became a little better with the shout buff and power sword buff

[brazen ether]

what is wrong with you

[karmic musk]

Just a matter of getting used to it, all the Keynodes require playstyle changes in some form

[celest vine]

Combine likewise perks

[grim dawn]

running ? you lost a leg during the war

[rapid hull]

ugh demo team is way down there, my grenadier builds are goona be a pain to remake

[near shore]

Not good

[open sphinx]

anyone else enjoying the carnival horde music alot?

[celest vine]

Theres a perk that increases toughness regen when no enemies arw within 8m, and one that increases damage the same way

[haughty marlin]

Imagine shoot and scoot right keystone with old vld

[tulip condor]

they ogryns

[terse idol]

Naw I'm talking infil vet

[celest vine]

Make that one perk

[haughty marlin]

Or tagged target

[terse idol]

It was pretty good melee

[tulip condor]

they should be OP

[calm vine]

Get rid of born leader node

[brazen ether]

i guess im sticking with my zealot main

[dapper spear]

if they just removed or reduced the ridiculous slowdown you get on a single bullet hitting you the gunner spam wouldnt even be as bad

[open sphinx]

sadness found

[serene bough]

commando keystone is truly powerful, the other two are arguably less worth the point investment in comparions to equally distributing among 2 trees

[acoustic bloom]

the talent tree feels like they threw darts while blindfolded to decide where to place things

[barren fulcrum]

[karmic musk]

Replaced with 50% suppression node

[near shore]

Big man is napping,let him sleep

[languid escarp]

Should I bind tag to the same key as shooting? I’m tired of clicking

[kind scarab]

Back from work. Time to work on more builds.

[south garnet]

yea instead of vets getting abilities they should let us select crippling disabilities. double damage on sprint or even inability to sprint, stun on every melee hit received, FOV reduced to 30 degrees and you wear dorky coke bottle glasses, jitters where your stability is halved and you can't ADS longer than 0.25 seconds

[calm vine]

Problem with vet tree now is thats it has too many nodes and we cant mix and match if we go down a path fully

[dark sorrel]

Hey doc use this

[pulsar shore]

feels super cool on my columnus build

[dark sorrel]

Stand still in a horde shooter

[karmic musk]

That will ensure you getting only the minimum damage boost from that key node if you take it

[forest scaffold]

There's just way too much bloat, AND Fatshark slammed in a bunch of non-sense nerfs

[south garnet]

then you'll know who the most badass vets are, the ones who are nearly invalids

[dark sorrel]

Good idea

[barren fulcrum]

i need the infinite ammo, autoaim gunner build thank you

[kind scarab]

Already have that on my recon lasgun build

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

[dark sorrel]

I’m so sorry for your loss

[forest scaffold]

Vet's tree still feels like ass

[kind scarab]

What loss? It's great

[karmic musk]

The Emperor's ass

[forest scaffold]

Its not like I'm not able to make it work

[gilded rock]

Combat feels...different

[forest scaffold]

But holy fuck is it just unfun

and it just feels terrible to tinker with

[kind scarab]

This is the scoreboard from the mission I used recon lasgun in

[untold mulch]

Yep

[dark sorrel]

I tend to dodge frequently when I shoot

[brazen ether]

its a shame i hate talents that buff you other weapon when you use something else

[dark sorrel]

I can’t fathom standing still lol

[sharp epoch]

Melee with infiltrate was just a worse version of stealth zealot tbh, shout with melee was at least unique

[dim citrus]

Bottom

[potent iris]

yea there's a few like that

[dark sorrel]

I’ll take it for a spin with my helbore ig

[dim citrus]

Not top

[kind scarab]

You stand still just long enough to make great use of the camo stuff

[untold mulch]

You get nuked the moment you don't, idk why Fatshark expects our ass to stay still

[mortal horizon]

nice with agri iag, whats ur talent build

[karmic musk]

You can dodge but you must stop yourself moving after or perma crouch

[dim citrus]

Top perks are fine

[gilded rock]

After this patch I input for dodges and jump instead, and ragers heavy stagger me on first hit where they didn't before

[serene bough]

it's too early to count out the other two keystones, time can evolve them

[forest scaffold]

uh

one second

gotta go find it

[serene bough]

the bigger issue is there's so many filler talents

[brazen ether]

if i want to use my gun, i want to use my gun, i don't want to switch to something else

[kind scarab]

Stun immunity was removed from grenade perk.

[brazen ether]

and same with melee

[kind scarab]

So most people gonna suffer

If they used it before for that

[gilded rock]

Stun immunity? What perk?

[grim dawn]

what stun ?

[forest scaffold]

@mortal horizon

[serene sage]

Grenade Tinkerer

[calm vine]

With the new ai director spitting out enemies endlessly on the new map standing still means death

[south garnet]

what if they did something totally wild, like cut out a bunch of the extra nodes and... hmm... maybe like, I don't know, give vets higher toughness naturally or... something!

[grim dawn]

i still get launched everywhere

[serene sage]

Not available anymore though

[cosmic aurora]

@kind scarab have you played right keystone revolver yet

[south garnet]

that would be a weird idea!

[untold mulch]

MHM

[kind scarab]

This perk used to grant stun immunity

[karmic musk]

f

[untold mulch]

Impossible, is too complex

[tawdry hull]

guys, what the fuck

[kind scarab]

I have not yet, cause I wanted to make sure I had my oneshot-on-everything revolver setup done first. And I have finished that.

[barren stratus]

Friendly reminder that your purpose is to dispense ammo. Please take the infinite ammo for your team until you get a real talent tree.

[kind scarab]

I am however, making a right-side tree melee build, with revolver as the secondary

[haughty marlin]

whatchu using for that?

[forest scaffold]

#veteran-class message

[tawdry hull]

its so wierd

[mortal horizon]

oh still no keystone lol, gotcha

[forest scaffold]

Vet's tree is dogshit

[dim citrus]

I think the standing still end perk would be better if it cancelled on sprint or something and not on any movement

[forest scaffold]

Way too much bloat

[languid escarp]

Is using autohotkey bannable in this game then? Maybe if I set it to tag in intervals… I really need to automate this whole tagging process.

[gilded rock]

Oh veteran-class, I am so sorry for not knowing the unlisted benefits of perk-with-unlisted-benefits #339, because FatShark loves doing that for some reason

[kind scarab]

This

[south garnet]

what's that look like

[grim dawn]

pain only make me stronger

[karmic musk]

Not really, you can use the Autofire mod

[forest scaffold]

Impossible to take keystones without sacrificing a ton of power

[south garnet]

oh

gracias

[tawdry hull]

I feel the yesterday version of the tree was better

actually

:thonk:

[mortal horizon]

i was trying to figure out how to make plasma work with the left keystone. was thinking of something like this. Do you think stacks while standing still tho is better than max stacks?

[karmic musk]

Oh you mean tag, it should be fine

[terse idol]

Eh

[untold mulch]

they managed to make it feel worse

such skill

[forest scaffold]

Every time you take a keystone you don't take onslaught

[quaint valve]

Don't take keystones and get all the power

[terse idol]

The vet perk reshuffle did nothing to help vets

[forest scaffold]

its exteremely problematic

[kind scarab]

Standing still lets you keep your stacks up for a longer period of time

[karmic musk]

I see many people do the click tag anyways its annoying as fk

[forest scaffold]

That's the solution, yes.

Because its 21 points to a keystone

[mortal horizon]

but the more i look at this build i wonder if plasma + ps6 would work better with right keystone

[forest scaffold]

while its 14 on ogryn

or something like that

Competitive Urge

[haughty marlin]

Yeah, taking out the base ranged nodes and moving superiority complex/bring it down so far down the tree was a pretty decent nerf

[grim dawn]

how do you shrink the talent tree ?

[forest scaffold]

and somethin else

[tulip condor]

Whats the difference between the blessings "Death Spitter" and "Dumdum"?

[rocky jacinth]

It wasn't a reshuffle, it was murder

[barren stratus]

it takes 21 talents to reach a veteran capstone. It only takes the other classes 17, or 18 for ogryns. Fundamentally, the problem with veteran design is that Fat Shark loves the class too much, and is smothering you with options.

[deft spruce]

standing still also gets you killed and verbaly abused by teammates on high difficulty lol

[south garnet]

OK so here's the actual real question: is there any point in even formulating builds at this point, if FS is (speculatively) going to hear feedback and rework the tree even more? again?

[forest scaffold]

DS requires kills

DD requires chained hits

[terse idol]

Moving both monst damage and elite damage to separate trees be like

[south garnet]

It will probably be next year at this point for them to think about altering the tree further

[terse idol]

AND moving them down

[tulip condor]

THX

[kind scarab]

Hasn't caused me any issues. Since you're effectively getting stacks as long as you're getting headshots.

[south garnet]

So in all likelihood what we got is what we get

At least for the time being

[mortal horizon]

is onslaught that good?
Could just take right keystone, get it on way down
i know brittleness is good, but depends on weapon right

[kind scarab]

The time you spend lining up a shot while holding still for less than a second more than makes up for the stacks you lose running between locations.

[forest scaffold]

You can kill a crusher in one magazine with ammo to spare

[dim citrus]

New map is wonderful yeah

[forest scaffold]

on an IAG

because of onslaught

its really fucking good

[atomic zephyr]

the node that lets marksman stack while crouching and moving is probably required to make the keystone actually fucking work lol

[kind scarab]

Onslaught is great, even in Recon lasgun

[terse idol]

I wish they would remove competitive urge

[grim dawn]

they are trying to test our faith to the Omnissiah

[terse idol]

Imo it so bad

[tulip condor]

wait what?

[spark helm]

those people don't matter when you're a veteran taking care of problems others can't immediately deal with. Keep your peace, yall just trying to play the game and clear. I'll never understand the neurosis of auric/tier 4-5 stuff in general. Goofy as hell.

[calm vine]

How many nodes does the vet have conpared to the other classes?

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173960287863451718/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.14_-_14.17.57.03.mp4

[tulip condor]

IAG got a new blessings?

[languid escarp]

Onslaught make swiss cheese out of crusher and mauler so yeah its pretty good

[kind scarab]

This is the effect of onslaught and bottom left tree

[grim dawn]

in the emperor we trust

[upper bluff]

does anyone have a kantreal lasgun build?

[kind scarab]

Was pretty fun running this earlier

[tulip condor]

oh

[merry gale]

marksman focus is dogshit

[spark arrow]

and anything that applies a dot. its insane how good it is. its worth on a helbore with infernus

[south garnet]

my faith is strong. I will make whatever trash I'm handed work - weapons, blessings, and sure why not talents too

[merry gale]

fatshark really expect my team to help me stay still and shoot

[shell widget]

Is Voice of Command support buff build still a thing or did it get blammed

[terse idol]

Bruh

[grim dawn]

purge the heretic and proove you are not a snitch

[terse idol]

You dont strafe

[south garnet]

only 50 toughness now

[forest scaffold]

[ARMOR DAMAGE MODIFIER MATH]

200 unarmored damage

100 Flak Damage

ADM of 0.5

Lets say you get +15% rending

That's an ADM of 0.65

200 x 0.65 = 130

200 Unarmored Damage

130 Flak Damage with 15% Rending for a 30% damage buff

[terse idol]

Because enemies will hit you regardless unless you dodge

[dim citrus]

Worse but still workable

[merry gale]

loosing stacks for moving is trash

[terse idol]

You can force to stand still to make 5 shots

Lol

[karmic musk]

I CANT MY ADHD DEMANDS ME TO MOVE

[mystic belfry]

Still good

[mortal horizon]

this sounds good but, whats up with 33% crit stacking 10 times.
And why isnt it ranged power, ranged attack speed? why

[terse idol]

I know

[nimble hazel]

We still immediately gain full toughness on shout, right?

[merry gale]

you don't fuck with freedom of movement

[terse idol]

I played wow

[spark helm]

You can literally just pace yourself with your shots with solid positioning. Nothing in this game works entirely in a vaccum. A break in movement is the least of your worries when you're taking care of business.

[merry gale]

stupid concept

[terse idol]

🥹

[kind scarab]

You lose 1 stack, per second of moving. You get 1 stack per 0.75 seconds of holding still.

[forest scaffold]

@royal valve Can we get this pinned

[south garnet]

you can either stand still or just be good at clicking heads. which you should be

[kind scarab]

It really ain't that hard to keep max stacks up if you know what you're doing and land at least a headshot every now and then. Not even a kill.

[terse idol]

You van do both

[dim citrus]

Funny enough I aim by moving my body first then the mouse due to old habits so I'm screwed lol

[brazen ether]

you can one shot crushers with a revovler using the new keystone

[forest scaffold]

@tulip condor @mortal horizon

[mystic belfry]

Aim with strafe is a super ingrained skill yeah

[limber lance]

could do that before the keystone

[spark helm]

It's...really not that serious to stand still. Ideally at least, your breakpoints with your build are just juiced up further by a talent like that that requires you to chill out and shoot.

[tulip condor]

this is with the onslaught?

[forest scaffold]

No, just a generic 15% rending bonus

[shell widget]

So kinda blammed. Does the buff stack with Zealot's ability too?

[merry gale]

can't stand still in pub

[forest scaffold]

Add up onslaughts total stacks

[spark helm]

3 seconds of me not moving when I have the chance isn't going to kill my performance.

[forest scaffold]

to find out your total damage

[merry gale]

unless you want to be left behind

[forest scaffold]

and do the math yourself

[atomic zephyr]

oh shit wait, headshots build marksman stacks?
that doesnt sound too bad

[barren fulcrum]

guys if you're having trouble killing things BOY do i have a solution for you

[forest scaffold]

It's going to change weapon to weapon on how much damage onslaught gives you

[kind scarab]

Headshots pause stack loss, headshot kills add 3

And also pause stack loss by 3 seconds

[spark helm]

I can handle myself and guarantee things that I don't want to be a danger to me are dead. You can also just...move to be closer to people and develop that judgement.

[atomic zephyr]

that's not so bad, specially if you use a gun that headshot kills often

[dim citrus]

Wrong
Faith in the Emperor is always the solution

[atomic zephyr]

ill have to give it another try with an XII lasgun

[forest scaffold]

Standing still gets you killed

that's all there is to it

[merry gale]

yes

[untold mulch]

THIS

[spark helm]

When it does it does.

[forest scaffold]

whole keystone needs to be abandoned

[merry gale]

yes

[kind scarab]

The only people complaining about that keystone, are people that either don't know how to move ingame. Don't know how to land headshots. Or don't know how to read.

[spark helm]

when it doesn't it doesn't lol

[forest scaffold]

Full stop

and a new one put in place

At no point should the game ever try to make you stop moving

[spark helm]

I don't get the obsession over it. It's pretty silly.

[dusk osprey]

I dont think people realize 3 seconds is alot of time

[forest scaffold]

Ever

[barren fulcrum]

i play funny kill lots of things game i dont know lore

[gilded cobalt]

Im so glad to know the every shot counts penance was bugged

I thought I was going insane

[kind scarab]

The keystone is high skill ceiling, high skill floor. Not everyone will be able t omake use of it.

[brazen ether]

marksman focus seems useless for autoguns tho

[atomic zephyr]

rewarding standing still is stupid but pausing the degeneration for three seconds is a lot in the middle of a shootout

[kind scarab]

I used it to great effect on my recon lasgun build.

[spark helm]

It's not even something that in the current stride of the game is some kind of mandatory thing.

[merry gale]

it's not hard to use

[dim citrus]

It can be long enough for a sniper or gunner to rev up

[merry gale]

it's just a detriment

[atomic zephyr]

more headshot hits = longer pause = easier to build stacks when you kill things

[spark helm]

I can only really speak for me and my expereinces but it's never mattered for me.

[atomic zephyr]

^^^

[gilded cobalt]

If you are the type to just do endless head shots with a las gun, it seems like a great thing for you

[barren fulcrum]

no way the gunner build

[jolly cave]

How do you get ammo back on an autogun?

[atomic zephyr]

vet mains when the marksman keystone rewards marksmanship

[spark helm]

What has mattered more in this very specific context are people that aren't playing the shooter game literally exposing themselves to unneessary dmg because they lack defensive fundamentals and better target priority.

[obsidian umbra]

Are any of the modifiers for weapon specialist worth? Thinking of getting just the keystone itself

[kind scarab]

I know right?

[spark arrow]

bro how is it possible i feel spread even more thinly than before this patch

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gilded cobalt]

I like to play the dark tide cover shooter portion of the game

[atomic zephyr]

the only real thing i miss is toughness damage reduction

god i miss counterfire.

[spark helm]

I used to run la lasgun anti-shooter builds with and without the talent. Barely had any issues.

[gritty mirage]

So im at work still, how is the patch for our vets? On reddit its all doom and gloom

[swift forge]

There's cover in this game?

[kind scarab]

Glad to see several people here that have the hand-to-eye coordination necessary to use the keystone, cause I felt people here were going full tilt about it being terrible when it works great

[atomic zephyr]

reddit is redditing

[dim citrus]

I like the middle tree capstone

[civic venture]

I honestly feel like this new tag mechanic for the middle keystone should have been a new keybind or requires you to press and hold the tag button on a target(while still keeping the regular tag). Currently I feel like it promotes a bad mindset where players would sometimes refuse to tag targets so they don't use stacks...

[calm vine]

The talent tree is bloated

[brazen ether]

i just mean your ot getting crits really that much when using the mk 1 autogun

[dim citrus]

The point and thing dies tree

[gilded cobalt]

Yeah, there’s actually animations for aiming around cover. I will say if you put your height to max you can’t duck behind some cover

[brazen ether]

whe i saw how slowly you lose stacks when moving, i was wondering what the issue was

[gritty mirage]

Im a shout and tag vet im sure ill like the pointy stone too

[kind scarab]

Even worse, it's making a lot of people bind tag to left click

[mortal horizon]

what about this for a plasma build?

[swift forge]

Well then my turbo gigachad 8'0 tall monster of a veteran certainly won't be making use of that system

[dim citrus]

Also is it just me or is it inconsistent on what cover I can aim out of

[spark arrow]

no survivalist?

[rough igloo]

It is.

[obsidian umbra]

Focus target. Is really good people shit on it but the way the stacks works means that the buffs are additive so you can tag some one at 1 stack and another at 2 stacks and have 3 stacks buff

[barren fulcrum]

why waste time making a talent build when you could

[mortal horizon]

didnt need it last patch, dont see why we would now. shout is good, i like the security

[brazen ether]

so what is range finesse power exactly?

[mortal horizon]

plasma wasnt nerfed right?

[gritty mirage]

Nice

[gilded cobalt]

It’s whatever they have a nav mesh set down to let you aim around it. It’s not a dynamic system, so it tends to be on the crates and stuff left out that the enemies will also use as cover

[kind scarab]

HS damage and stuff

[dense yew]

headshot dmg

[atomic zephyr]

what is range finess power?

[civic venture]

Yeah, it feels very awkward to play this class now. That I would have more consistency playing Kickback Ogryn than current Vet lol

[spark helm]

Personally just want to make distance from anything that makes me feel like I'm still playing kruber lol

[spark helm]

I think it's headshot dmg

[spark arrow]

those arent mutually exclusive things. idk survivalist is just such an insane bonus to ammo for the entire squad over the course of a given run

[obsidian umbra]

Enabling the rest of your team is good though, and scales with difficulty

[dapper spear]

has anyone been able to find a decent compromise for using the vet weapon specialist keystone without losing the important perks from the top/middle part of the tree?

[south garnet]

finesse is weakspot and critical damage

[gilded cobalt]

Ammo is amazing utility for high intensity runs

[spark arrow]

agreed

[spark helm]

what does wep specialist do again?

[spark arrow]

thats why im arguing for it

[dapper spear]

weapon specialist feels amazing but its like i have to pick infil or command to use it and even then im missing so many important perks

[gilded cobalt]

Yeah I’m agreeing with you

[mortal horizon]

oh i misunderstood, survalist for ammo. i thought you meant exec stance
i just dont have enough points to make it down to the 20% ogryn/monster dmg AND get a keystone, if i hook left for survivalist. You might be right losing it will be noticeable ammo loss

[atomic zephyr]

so stacking finess on an autogun just dials the headshot damage up?

breaks angrippina iag out of storage

[dapper spear]

you get like ridiculous bonuses to melee and ranged on swap every time

when you get kills i believe

[spark helm]

Oh okay.

Like kerillian's waywatcher talent.

[obsidian umbra]

I hate that because krak is bugged I have to use shredder frags

[spark arrow]

having the same problem myself brother. been trying to figure out where to cut

[dapper spear]

your melee becomes absolutely supercharged and your ranged has like 5 stacks of 33% crit chance among other buffs

[brazen ether]

doesn't increase crit damage?

[calm vine]

The vet has a 100 nodes in its talent tree the ogryn has 90

[candid sierra]

problem is how much it takes to get to marksmanship. cause vets bascially have 3 Talent point Tax 1 for Relentless under EX stance and 2 for Demo Stockpile

[dapper spear]

but its so hard to take weapon specialist without just skipping other important nodes

[wraith locust]

loooooooooool voc nerf

[calm vine]

Psyker has 80 ish

[sharp epoch]

people were saying thats a typo and its 3.3%

[atomic zephyr]

that's true, it demands a lot
sounds like people in chat rn are just complaining about the keystone itself though

[spark helm]

I mean, I haven't really used it but I don't notice too much of a difference because I'm usually not swapping my weapons that regularly with some of my builds unless Im getting rushed or need to like, help with a horde or melee crushers/maulers and berserkers.

[swift forge]

Is there any build that's reminiscent of the old boltgun days where I could just ignore pretty much any situation I'm in and just hold mouse 1 and win

[spark arrow]

hilarious how much happier id be if survivalist was in the middle lol

[dapper spear]

whatever it is i feel like its probably the strongest keystone for vet yet you just never seem to have enough points to use it without gutting a large part of the rest of your build

[shell ginkgo]

What'd they break with krak this time

[south garnet]

think of it this way, at least they also took away psyker's ability to rub their feet on the carpet to charge their surge staff

[barren fulcrum]

gunner build

[sharp epoch]

Actually the marking seems solid with keeping stacks on kills if thats how the subnode works

[swift forge]

Is that the autogun build that people are throwing around

[fresh breach]

columnus is probably the closest thing anymore imo

[candid sierra]

Keystone is fine. Could it be less dumb sure but its completely useable and provides alot. THE PROBLEM IS GETTING TO THE DAMN THING 😠

[spark arrow]

i think the problem is middle tree is generally better than right, minus the keystone. i feel like you get more value going down right side to onslaught then building down mid. need to do more testing though

[mortal horizon]

if i go survivalist, and cut grenade tinkerer I can make it work. But i dont like using shredder grenades without tinkerer :/

[barren fulcrum]

its where you load into the mission as a scab gunner

[hoary valley]

my melee build is dead

kill me

[dapper spear]

the marking might be good but in terms of raw power i think weap specialist beats it out, just because you can kill huge amounts of specials and elites in either melee or ranged

[mortal horizon]

this tree is way too bloated puri puri is right lol

[sharp epoch]

Also they nerfed a lot of core talents for vet in the process of reworking the tree

[hoary valley]

cut my wrists

[spark arrow]

go krak then? both good

[south garnet]

"great keystones FS, really love the way they look! maybe some day I'll have enough points to use em!"

[spark arrow]

you can still us krak to disrupt rager packs in a pinch

[dapper spear]

^

[hoary valley]

They shoulda removed the bloat talents that are in the way

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I'll test out both and see, marksman seems completely worthless though

[open cosmos]

Has anyone else in here been experiencing buggy behavior from the ammo replenishment talent on the new veteran melee keystone?

[dim citrus]

I've been using krak, still good

[spark helm]

mostly i suppose I wouldn't know tbh but sometimes mfkers just hone in on something that literally is the most non-sequitor shit. something something if it ain't minmaxed it's "dead" or "useless". And usually those types the first to go down to a scab grunt or something because they can't understand why you don't want your back to mulitple flanks during a horde rush.

[dapper spear]

you have to have an anorexic talent set to use most of the keystones in vet tree

[dim citrus]

I just think the trees should have more interconnectivity

[open cosmos]

With 10 melee stacks I should get 33.% of my magazine reloaded but instead on a bolter with 15 magazine I get 1 or 2 ammo back tops

[sharp epoch]

Apparently it takes 20 points to even reach a keystone

[candid sierra]

Yes. but also Born Leader is a Talent Tax if youre going for middle aswell. thats 4 point talent tax

[sharp epoch]

thats not including the ult subnodes and the keystone subnodes

[open cosmos]

Y'all stop bitching about keystones we get the best non-keystone talents in the game besides maybe Holy Revenant

[atomic zephyr]

bunch of those talents did get nerfed

[spark helm]

Don't really think vet needs it.

[atomic zephyr]

shadow nerfs

[fresh breach]

just gotta spend extra points to get it

[acoustic wyvern]

the middle tree keystone is pretty nice

[open cosmos]

Vets were doing fine before the patch and now we got buffs and y'all complaining

[rocky stratus]

is scavenger built into vet

[dim citrus]

The whole point of this update for Vet was the keystones and it's part of the advertising

[calm vine]

You need 21 points, straight down (middle)

[terse idol]

Lol after the reshuffle the tax to get to them is much higher

[valid apex]

I was afraid of that tbh

[acoustic wyvern]

nice buff and toughness regen for you and team

[midnight wing]

the only thing i really dont like is that im now crashing constantly

[candid sierra]

Exhil take down still bugged btw.

[spark arrow]

maybe something like this? still dabbling

[sharp epoch]

what zealot has like 5 good ones, thy wraft be swift, the speed one, and the damage reduc for allies, and the wound damage reduc

[midnight wing]

which is probably a me thing

[sharp epoch]

Yeah here's the stealth nerfs https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17v1okc/vet_stealth_nerfs_and_buffs_written_out/

[south garnet]

You WILL spend all your points in a straight and narrow path directly to the keystones, that's three (3) entire playstyles, AND you'll tip FS a talent node for the privilege, now be grateful

[open cosmos]

If you're gonna spend 2 points in your keystone you get like 7 non keystone talents

[terse idol]

Man, Zealot has the same but they have left over nodes and better coherence bonus auras

Dang it

[spark helm]

Think the point was to allow the class to have a lot of build versatility with surgical designs the player can swap out without suddenly breaking down their entire performance. The lack of keystones isn't an inherently bad thing since the class performs well on average without them imo.

[sharp epoch]

Zealots actually good with the toughness nodes working correctly now 😹

30+ toughness woo

[south garnet]

yea interestingly the last few patches have made me more interested in zealot, which is the one class I almost literally never play

I mean, I have it at 30, but relative to the others

[rocky stratus]

i had enough points for krak and free grenade a min

i am happy enough

[dim citrus]

I have been playing Zealot now as my second because it's damn fun

[sharp epoch]

Also I'm suprised they barely nerfed ogryn which is the strongest class atm

[rocky stratus]

anyways is there a perk that makes scavenger better

[candid sierra]

already have a 2 point tax. +1 for exstance (2 if you want it to be good) so 6-7 points left.

[wild lantern]

scavenger bugged ?
it restore only 1 ammo on plasma (which had 106/106 ammo so 212 total) it should restore 2 ammo ,no ?

[terse idol]

I would be alright if the coherence auras actually were gooe

[celest vine]

Too bad the keystones aren’t nearly good enough to be a must have thing

[open cosmos]

There is a case to be made that the nerfs to some other talents make vets more reliant on their new keystone talents

[candid sierra]

thats without putting points into the keystone talents itself

[dim citrus]

Ofc they are the strongest, look at them!

[unkempt lagoon]

I feel like im going insane, but I definitely feel a lot squishier as ranged veteran rn, anyone else feeling this way?
wrong reply sorry

[serene sage]

Kickback stays winning

[tiny summit]

Unless ammo talents only refer to reserve, like that +25% ammo

[spark helm]

Mm. this a very recent patch that dropped? I haven't played in a few weeks.

[open cosmos]

Some toughness talents got nerfed, dont get hit

[sharp epoch]

I wish we had the lazy passive keystones like feel no pain on ogryn which gives straight up 25% damage reduction and 25% toughness regen

[spark arrow]

they reduced our toughness regen and added it at the bottom of trees to keystone talents

[open cosmos]

The ptach dropped this morning

[unkempt lagoon]

grim

[valid apex]

Forcing born leader is really dumb

[celest vine]

Nah they should have made all kill bonuses a keystone, iron will its own keystone, and keep the right keystone

[wild lantern]

didn't take the +25% (i'm middle tree )

[valid apex]

Such a shit talent

[south garnet]

it looks fun. I was in an auric hi shock dam match where I watched a knife and laspistol zealot clutch two bosses and a constant horde, alone, and manage to solo pick up people at the respawn not once but twice because they immediately died after pickup lol

[terse idol]

Again they need to axe competitive urge

[celest vine]

That way they would actually be worth something

[devout atlas]

honestly kinda liking the rework

[terse idol]

Its so bad

[serene sage]

Yeah. This hurts

[candid sierra]

if youre running ExhilTakedown its bugged.

[sharp epoch]

Anythings better than what we got lool

[unkempt lagoon]

I'm not

[tiny summit]

I mean, focus fire is pretty passive. You were going to tell someone to kill something anyways

[mortal horizon]

thoughts on this? ditched tinkerer for survalist...

[south garnet]

more like born sucker

[rocky stratus]

fellas?

[spark arrow]

on your toes is fucking insane but requires such a point commitment 😦

[terse idol]

If born leader wasn't so bad it'd be okay but goodness

[celest vine]

Thats what I do

Tinkerer isnt a must have anymore since the stun immunity patch

[unkempt lagoon]

No, theres just scavenger and scavenger+

[spark helm]

I can read it and feel it out. I recently deleted all my characters after the overhaul to experience leveling each class through all the new goodies. Mostly a fine and fun experience so far. some builds like infiltration styles still feel like I need to tweak my weapon's grwoth for it to be stable but idc too deeply about that since well...specialized playstyles like that usually require deeper investment in what the playstyle would want so that's just normal to me.

[valid apex]

Yea so we lost the 15% elite and picked up the 30% weakspot

[rocky stratus]

what is scavenger +

[valid apex]

On most builds

[open cosmos]

This is the most masochistic thing I've ever heard

[rocky stratus]

i need that bc i am acrually able to get the goggles now

[sharp epoch]

For me it is kinda passive as I mark frequently, but for others, not really. But also at base its only a 5% damage buff

[dim citrus]

I think it has good ideas that just need more connections and less expensive paths to the keystones

[south garnet]

What if vet just had a list, where you could freely select any 'node' but it had a listed cost in points

[unkempt lagoon]

scavenger+ is survivalist, just forgot the name

[mortal horizon]

ya, just wanted it to boost shredders :/

feels ok shooting-wise in the meat grinder. i cant play right now working why i asked what you guys thought. gonna give it a spin in a couple hours

[wild lantern]

and for my infantry autogun (which had 55/443 ammo) i get 4-5 ammo which indicate its total ammo

[celest vine]

Normal shredders are good anyway

[spark helm]

Can't see it as pain for me tbh. I genuinely like exploring how these kinds of things function in other games too unless there's some vanity thing I had to put in playtime to get. Zero of that in darktide so I just do it lol

[tiny summit]

Do multiple veteran focus fire tags stack?

[dark sorrel]

Like what could they realistically do to make the other auras more appealing than Survivalist

[celest vine]

They are to weaken hordes into paper and thats with bleeds

[dark sorrel]

That’s like the biggest sink of points

[dapper spear]

i was fairly convinced it's psyker by a long shot

[serene sage]

100% damage fire team

I'll take that one

[acoustic wyvern]

again, survivalist is just a node, its not a must

[hearty panther]

Delete Survivalist

[brazen ether]

funfact, you don't lose marks man stacks while crouch dodging

[kind scarab]

I'm like 2 points off from making revolver work amazingly with the focus fire keystone, but damn did they make things so point starved

[gusty bison]

Make survivalist not break the ammo eco

[dapper spear]

voidlord build and assail spam deleting 40 ragers is still a thing

[sharp epoch]

Meh psykers assail build got nerfed hard, surge bug psyker also died so not really.

[calm vine]

Probably not, 8 stacks of focus fire is 32% multiple that by 4 bosses will melt

[spark helm]

imo, nothing. there's often more people obsessed with tried and true methods than anything that'll switch up their style they aren't able to operate on. I'll admit that some ideas are definitely not that good in higher difficulties because of the sheer volumes of evolving threats but it's absolutely doable/.

[sharp epoch]

Voidstrike also got nerfed pretty significantly by 100 damage

[dapper spear]

voidstrike was always better than surge tho, and assail only got 1s added to cooldown

[rocky stratus]

does survivalist work for the thingy i forgor name uhhh

[acoustic wyvern]

i made my build and i'm fairly happy with my grenade/tag build.

[rocky stratus]

the penance

[dapper spear]

oh right what I didn't see that

[rocky stratus]

does survivalist work for the penance

[gusty bison]

Woop

[kind scarab]

Should be fixed now

[tiny summit]

It would be funny though. 4 Vets going "that heretic, emperors judgement"

[unkempt lagoon]

yes

[sharp epoch]

Yap, I'd say trauma might be the best staff atm but you need a specific build

[acoustic wyvern]

the bunched the nade talents together and twinned greande is now 20%. 20 %!@!!!!

[pulsar shore]

got it penance a hour ago

[dim citrus]

I wish there was more to do with grenades
Give me a grenade launcher

[serene sage]

Can trauma kill bosses?

[gusty bison]

All the nades

[gusty bison]

Not quicklt

[dapper spear]

550 damage over and over constantly staggering and going through enemies still seems kind of insane but id have to try it before making a judgement

[sharp epoch]

nope, but none of staves excel at bosses

[gusty bison]

StavePsyker has the worst boss killing

[south garnet]

I'm gonna finish up work in a few hours, go home to relax, decide to unwind with a little game or two, then shit my entire ass out of frustration trying to rebuild

[open cosmos]

Its giving up all the weapons that would kill me. I know you keep learned blessings but those rare weapon rolls are so precious

[sharp epoch]

Yeah it's still decent just I think trauma wins because its better in other situations too esp for staggering

[spark helm]

plus, certain classes like psyker don't feel like they used to in the launch of the game where you legit just had to bear with a lot of crap other classes didn't while leveling. I didn't mind it too deeply but from what I've seen so far, psyker has just as much ease of approach as the rest of the cast.

[spark helm]

Oh yeah if the game worked differently fuck all that. lmao

[calm vine]

The new ai director will help you relax, youll clench your butt in relaxation with how it spawns enemies

[tiny summit]

Actually thinking about making a new psyker because I think I may want to change voice

[dapper spear]

damage on trauma kinda weak now tho no

[rocky stratus]

istg if they release a catachan outfit on thursday so my efforts are going to nothing imma be sad

[dapper spear]

don't believe a word he says. heretical lies

[south garnet]

for vets especially it's lore accurate that I'm miserable as soon as I hit deploy

[spark helm]

The class legit doesn't feel like a slog to develop before power spikes with the new system. and the power spikes you do get feel so significant it's great I love it.

[sharp epoch]

They've never changed it im pr sure, but it works well with a specific staff build and talent build like soulfire crit build

[dim citrus]

Just another day at the guard

[serene sage]

How would you fix the tree now?

If you can, somehow

[south garnet]

delete 1/3rd of it

add natural toughness back

[calm vine]

FS should add an area where we can rewatch the cutscenes, ive forgotten the "main" cutscenes from leveling up

[dapper spear]

more connectivity

[south garnet]

damn, that was hard

[dapper spear]

less bullshit nodes

[dim citrus]

Especially at the bottom

[kind scarab]

Honestly, you could fix the tree with more interconnectivity, so you don't have to bust your balls spreading your points around

[tight dragon]

wait why the fuck did they nerf everything

[dim citrus]

The top has connectivity

[sharp epoch]

Get rid of the useless nodes like twinned blast lool

[celest vine]

This bug is by far my favorite

[kind scarab]

Make the tree look more like Psyker tree and we'll be good

[trim steppe]

Seriously the end of the tree is like 15 points deep and totally isolated

[calm vine]

You reach the talent nodes at 21 points

[hollow ibex]

Psyker tree is actually fantastic

[sharp epoch]

diagnols all the way

[trim steppe]

Bug? It was in the patch notes

[dapper spear]

go play new map on damnation if you want to unwind and enjoy the gameplay and be able to move around they designed it specifically for that

[dim citrus]

Give us the ability of a Comissonar where friendly fire "encourages" your teammates to perform better

[south garnet]

you don't miss the old "two viable build" Feat system, or something?

[unkempt lagoon]

Running this build, really not sure if I'm actually getting value out of marksman's focus. Any changes to be tankier?

[trim steppe]

Listen I don't need your facts to tell me how I feel

[celest vine]

Even better

[craggy girder]

play zealot

[brazen ether]

i think the veteran talent economy is way better in this patch

[haughty marlin]

Just move superiority complex and bring it down back to the middle of the tree reeeeee

[celest vine]

Those dipshit gunners wont see what hits them

[hearty panther]

I did not notice Skirmisher is now 5 stacks of 5% hooooweee

[dark sorrel]

Way better isn’t saying much tbh

[south garnet]

prove it. show me your thoughts in your mind

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/xenos-scum-looney-toons-flashgitz-astra-militarum-warhammer40k-gif-27507138

[dapper spear]

how do we tell him

[kind scarab]

I think I know what's wrong with the build I'm trying to make. It's that I'm too deadset on the revolver being the forefront of the build, and having it oneshot everything.

[tight dragon]

nah, i'm going back to whatever i had before

[serene sage]

Honestly if the Director is bugged out then they should fix it. That I'll conceit and apologize to you. But if it's the same AI last patch (after fix), then the spawn rate seemed fine to me. I'll try the challenge regardless.

[haughty marlin]

great with plasma, stacks on stacks

[spark helm]

what difficulties are you running around in and what's your wep spread?

[topaz lance]

what weapon?

[celest vine]

I can aim, and I use executuoners stance

[sharp epoch]

Meh they split some good talents where you cant get them at the same time anymore, like the elite 15% and ogryn 25% one

[celest vine]

My point stands

[dapper spear]

glhf

[south garnet]

I mean, they did explicitly say they tweaked director to ramp up intensity quicker on high diff

[dapper spear]

you could have aimbot and you will still have a miserable time

[south garnet]

on purpose, as a joke

[spark helm]

in what world?

[haughty marlin]

Yep, and removed a lot of the random +5 ranged nodes

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-kung-fu-trained-wrong-wimp-lo-gif-27152837

[hybrid token]

they removed 1

[spark helm]

I love setting myself up to be a tagging anti-gunner vet.

[unkempt lagoon]

mg12/1a atm, and heresy mostly atm

[spark helm]

It literally solves so many issues lol

[odd pollen]

okay

i just arrived

[dim citrus]

*if you ignore keystones

[haughty marlin]

I thought there were three before

[unkempt lagoon]

Just really feeling really squishy, with decent damage output

[hybrid token]

theres stil l3

[odd pollen]

and took a look at the new veteran skillset

why is it so bad

[sharp epoch]

That's a good step just wish they shortened the tree because it takes 20 or 21 to even reach our keystone

[rocky stratus]

liar

it’s great

[mystic belfry]

They split those up? That’s awful

[hybrid token]

there WAS 4

[dapper spear]

genuinely i am very curious to see how it goes and how you manage the crazy gunner shittery

[hybrid token]

now theres 3

[odd pollen]

i can't even do my previous build

i'll miss like 3 points

what even

[rocky stratus]

oh no

anyways

[spark helm]

that's the uh...double tap burst rifle right?

[serene sage]

This tbh. The left side is much better since it's more condensed.

[haughty marlin]

You can't get them all anymore like you used to

[spark helm]

You trying to clap bigger targets?

[celest vine]

Why just shoot them

[rocky stratus]

Just grow as an individual

[gusty bison]

Step 1) Fix exhiliarating. This alone helps a lot.

Step 2) Delete the following nodes

• +25% ammo (just make this innate)
• Demolition Team
• Skirmisher
• All three "old capstones"
• The three travelnodes after Exhiliarating, Confirmed Kill and Tact Reload.

Bam. Fixed

[rocky stratus]

adapt. improvise. overcome.

[hybrid token]

you could get 3 and you can now get 2

[wraith locust]

i feel like they made the tree worse

lol

[hybrid token]

you lost 1

like i said

[unkempt lagoon]

semiauto lasgun

[little roost]

oh my god. exilharating takedown is still broken?

[odd pollen]

it is, problably

[haughty marlin]

And I'm literally one point of damage shy of plasma bodyshotting dreg gunners

[little roost]

fml

[odd pollen]

atleast replenish allies is fixed

[haughty marlin]

Which is just infuriating

[south garnet]

every functional vet build looks like a soft pretzel dipped in sadness

[celest vine]

Bro can not aim to save his lige

[untold mulch]

Is immesurably complex to add a - in the code

[hybrid token]

you cant 1 shot dreg gunners ? i overkill by a bazillion

[sharp epoch]

at the end of each tree

[calm vine]

The talent tree is too bloated with lots of filler nodes

[hybrid token]

and thats in psykh without competitive urge active

[south garnet]

yes, per catfish

[odd pollen]

that's the issue, Ymir

[dapper spear]

get back to us once you've done damnation or above with vet on the new mission

[hybrid token]

with urge active i 1 shot everything outside of an ogryn

[rocky stratus]

honeslty thoughts on two infiltrate charges witn 33% charge time

[south garnet]

they're 'working on it'

[odd pollen]

I feel like it's impossible to change path mid-skillset.

[spark helm]

tbh if you're trying to strike a balance with tankiness, you're not going to get it investing that heavily into the left tree. I'd say you don't really need that much defensive talents since you're not just going to collapse for making a mistake if you're on top of dealing with enemies in your capacity while keeping your tempo up with your exestance.

[odd pollen]

because then you won't have enough

[little roost]

god that sux. thank u tho.

[serene sage]

Can we add Born Leader to that list?

[celest vine]

“You dont find the game hard youre lying”

[south garnet]

this is so fucked kek

[gusty bison]

How about this. Swap born leader and ability cdr

[spark helm]

A good melee and defensive awareness will cover for a lack of inherent tankiness in most cases. Most.

[brazen ether]

why delte demolition team

[gusty bison]

I think BL has a use case but it shouldnt be a tax node

[hybrid token]

they should just put the ammo at the top

[wanton dawn]

Delete born leader from the game

[spark arrow]

would make building so much better

[tawdry swan]

What is wrong with exhilarating takedown?

[gusty bison]

Hilariously redundant

[wanton dawn]

I am NOT taking this talent

[swift forge]

They added BL to Darktide??????

[south garnet]

you take more damage not less

[odd pollen]

increased toughness damage

[brazen ether]

i love bl!

[spark helm]

There's nothing necessarily wrong with making mistakes, but some talents are more deisgned around shielding the player from a misplay rather than rewarding them for success with vet.

[hybrid token]

demo team only matters in melee only

[gusty bison]

BL being born leader

[sharp epoch]

Bug that makes us take 30% more damage for landing headahots

[serene sage]

Born Leader?

[rain pulsar]

Has anyone played around with Executor IV on the knife? It seems to remove the self buff when target bleeds

[swift forge]

Oh right... Born Leader.... Of course..........

[unkempt lagoon]

yeah thats true, I think I turned into a babygamer with the tinkerer stun immunity and need to get used to how melee actually is lmao

[sharp epoch]

Same 😔

[gusty bison]

I think Born Leader isnt bad especially with how much toughness vet can generate

[mystic belfry]

Which one is that

[south garnet]

I still think this should be all vet talents, just increasingly dire crippling disabilities, no perks

[spark helm]

It's a different world when consequences are much more immediate lol.

[sharp epoch]

I don't mind that bug fix it was coming

[tall canopy]

Oh yeah I heard they fixed the Krieg skin too

[calm vine]

And competitive urge

[hybrid token]

did a hi int darkness mission on the new map

[gusty bison]

But it being a tax node is a sour taste for many

[tall canopy]

Vet W

[hybrid token]

that was fun

[odd pollen]

LOL

LMAO

[rain pulsar]

6% power on repeated weak spot hit

[unique orchid]

i like the new tree, s'nice

[spark helm]

Take a look at every zealot that actually doesn't understand defense insofar as their passives allow them to forget. The na grunt hits them and it's over.

[mystic belfry]

I think bleed cancels it but I’m not a hundred percent sure

[tall canopy]

Patch 15 is when Vets become not an obvious joke

[rain pulsar]

Seems like it, not cool

[dire jacinth]

Btw is shock trooper worth it with kantrael XII? or is suppression immunity better?

[queen fox]

weapon specialst feels really, really good with handcannon

and psword

[odd pollen]

they flattened the satchel

[tall canopy]

Now that looks really good

Premium

Even

[little roost]

imo immunity is way better.

[gusty bison]

Atm you already get a talent that gives a nade every 60s

You dont need another talent that gives u more

[uncut wadi]

Does the 3.3% auto reload default to 1 bullet?

[swift forge]

You could literally run around the map holding mouse 1 with the MGXII and never run out of ammo.

[sharp epoch]

vets take 50% damage from all sources now new keystone

[brazen ether]

shredder vet grenades with grenade twinker and twinned blast are downright dangerous

[tall canopy]

Twinker

[hybrid token]

i have never in my life run out of ammo on an MG12

[kind scarab]

Imma be real with ya chief. I wholly think the middle capstone is stupid as hell. And the only reasonable way to keep marking shit with that, is to either mark the most important things or bind tag to your left click, which will be obnoxious as fuck. But at the very least, the capstone works, I guess?

[queen fox]

probably not, but 100% crit makes handcanon op

[uncut wadi]

Been running weapon specialist with recon lasgun, feels pretty great so far.

[hybrid token]

without shocktrooper

[tall canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[south garnet]

oh my god they nerfed confirmed kill

[swift forge]

I think you would literally have to stand in a corner and shoot at a wall for 10 minutes with the MGXII if you WANTED to run out of ammo

[south garnet]

hahahaha

[rain pulsar]

its 3.3% per stack = 33% which should be 1 bullet of 5

[uncut wadi]

Lame

[south garnet]

siiiiiiick

[hybrid token]

finally

[tall canopy]

Vet comedian class

[spark arrow]

deadshot and invigorated pair very very well together though i will say

[odd pollen]

they even destroyed our voice of command

[mystic belfry]

I like the base cosmetics enough I would t even want to buy a new set

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816148698869268480/1173482835500355594/image.png?ex=65641e0e&is=6551a90e&hm=5bd018eb553fbf35a6c0b0f6b6f2ae5058edcc39028482e6fa0a786e7e52942b&

It’s sexy tbh

[odd pollen]

and buffed zealot's aoe stun

like what

[gusty bison]

Tbf we knew this was coming from a mile away

[south garnet]

nerfing shout and confirmed kill is an incredible pick

[lilac eagle]

Whaaat the fuck did they do to veteran talents

[odd pollen]

can't have shits in atoma, bro..

[mystic belfry]

Voice of command is still great

[odd pollen]

obv

[south garnet]

I knew shout was coming, CK was unexpected

[gusty bison]

The VoC nerf was 100% something we saw and even now its still great

[hybrid token]

ima be real with you chiefs, yall keep crying that vet sucks but i havent been outdamaged a single time in like 100 missions

[hollow turtle]

"I need mah toughness"
First run thru on the new map and it was on power out hi-int gauntlet. Used infil range veteran.

[sharp epoch]

If you want all the stealth nerfs they're here https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17v1okc/vet_stealth_nerfs_and_buffs_written_out/?rdt=62244

[lilac eagle]

These keystones all sound awful???

[dire jacinth]

yeah probably youre right, but i have ammo paranoia XD ill take supp imm thanks

[brazen ether]

why would voc be nerfed

[hybrid token]

because it was absurdly broken

[uncut wadi]

Recon lasgun is back yo, 100% crit + 20% fire rate with weapon specialization goes BRRRRR

[south garnet]

you survived a match, didn't you? needs a nerf

[gusty bison]

CK frankly was something we expected to never change cos it hasnt been nerfed in a yeat

[odd pollen]

oh

they buffed twinned blast?

[wraith locust]

it was a massive crutch, now you actually have to dodge in melee

[odd pollen]

fuck that pog

[sharp epoch]

Also these don't include the stealth nerfs to where talents are placed, like how the elite are ogryn killer are split

[south garnet]

20% chance now, 1 in 5 nades

[gusty bison]

It was +100 perma toughness cos of ability cdr node

Which is...

Well

[spark helm]

Biggest advice I'd say is this: learn your scenarios rather than exclusively focusing on enemies. everything can change at the drop of a hat right but being exposed more to situations where you're not going to have the easier answers available is good. Examples are things like taking a defensive position where your back isn't exposed to flanking because enemies will not path through some things (takes time but you'll learn by just doing).

Taking out shooters if you're running a tag build with solid ammo depending on your choice of gun > forcing yourself into a mosh pit while getting shot. Even if it's normal goons, pop that executioner's stance with the shooter tag thing and take them out. EVEN IF you're not killing specialists in that specific moment, it takes zero time to keep your exestance up by killing some grunts then searching for bigger fish.

[uncut wadi]

Instead max stack Onslaught.

[dim citrus]

It's less awful and more the fact it's too expensive to get them

[odd pollen]

why do we call ourselves vets

[kind scarab]

Works great even without weapon Spec

[brazen ether]

never saw that happen

[odd pollen]

when we should call ourself demomans

[gusty bison]

Its hilariously easy to keep up in hi5stg

[hybrid token]

im convinced everyone complaining about vet plays only malice and has dodge unbound

[gusty bison]

At least in the pressure situation

[south garnet]

what do you guys bind dodge to

[sharp epoch]

VoC needed the nerf its still good at 30 seconds

[hollow turtle]

That's genuinely how I'm feeling about the complaints

[normal valve]

Small PSA, Exhilarating Takedown is apparently still bugged and causing you to take 30% extra damage.

what the fuck

[brazen ether]

im pretty sure the crit is multiplicity and not additive

[sharp epoch]

but other talents hooooly theyre bad

[uncut wadi]

Yeah, but the switchero gameplay encouraged by the keystone worked great to help my ammo last until end of level.

[mystic belfry]

I have complaints but vet is still playable

[south garnet]

I still have it as spacebar along with jump, didnt even know you can switch it

[fathom wedge]

So now that toughness regen got kneecapped (again) is Gloryhunter worth dropping Blaze Away for on Plasmeme or

[gusty bison]

Exhiliarating being bugged really sours the tree

[hybrid token]

the only problem with vet is that the tree is slightly to restrictive to build variety

[spark helm]

for the love of fuck please spam normal tag if you can't see an enemy but are able to recognize the signs that they're around. Mash that shit in the line of vision you got. Please lmao.

[serene sage]

I'm honestly glad they didn't nerf it further. VoC is really strong

[hybrid token]

we are NOT weak

[spark helm]

I

[sharp epoch]

yes thats been here since last patch too and they rather nerf vet than patch that lool

[normal valve]

jeez

[odd pollen]

THIS IS

WHAT I MEANT

[sharp epoch]

yes cd nerf would hurt

[gusty sonnet]

You wanna know something worse? All they gotta do to fix it is to change a + into a -

[queen fox]

is it just me, or are there too many points in the vet tree?

[brazen ether]

why was trench fighter drill nerfed

[kind scarab]

I didn't have issues when running it with leftside keystone, since you do so much more damage + have 25% ammo node on that side

So both work out well in the end

[gusty bison]

Yep.

If exhilarating is fixed then the tree is a lot more palatable. Still meh but its less rough

[serene sage]

Somehow this will break the game

[unique sorrel]

i'm in a lobby with 3 vets who don't know their talent trees reset...

[queen fox]

like more options to take with your 30 points than other trees?

[normal valve]

[hollow turtle]

There's also a mod that's called "Stop accidental jumps" so you dont' do those awkward jumps backwards or to the side because you pressed space too fast.

[odd pollen]

It is too restrictive, can't even change path without losing keystone

[unique sorrel]

or they all decided that full left was the right way to go

[uncut wadi]

Yeah, I tried that too, but standing still kept getting me killed lol

[mystic belfry]

Lmfao

[brazen ether]

you can crouch dodge

[normal valve]

yeah a popup or something should really be added when your talent tree resets or you try and queue without a talent tree

[kind scarab]

Just grab camo and don't hold still

[brazen ether]

without losig stacks

[tawdry swan]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-cells-unlock-your-brain-gif-14425366

[kind scarab]

[unique sorrel]

it was damnation, we barely escaped lol

[jaunty birch]

Space but unbound jump to left control

[gusty bison]

Yes and everyone has noted this is an issue

Probably the primary issue

[queen fox]

does vet have a higher total number of talents available than psyker or zealot? it feels like it

[hardy ember]

This new skill tree is literally killing me. Missing out on so much perks that are needed

[hollow turtle]

wtf is wrong with you.

Who hurt you?

[odd pollen]

damPOV average damntation fr fr

[hybrid token]

theres just less connecting points

[tawdry swan]

Vermintodr

vermintide

[swift forge]

Is the stack generation on focus target fucking dogshit or is it just me

[hollow turtle]

[gusty bison]

Rule of thumb, you dont need to stand still

[spark helm]

yeah idgi. the meltdowns are strange to me.

[trim steppe]

I set dodge to alt and ping to f4

[hybrid token]

hit heads and dont stand still

[odd pollen]

can't even do my previous build 😭

[mystic belfry]

My dodge is still on space at even for Vermintide

Why change it

[limpid hull]

whats happening. are we happy or mad bout the changes

[calm vine]

Does it make sense that ogryn killer is in the middle path?

[tawdry swan]

I changed my ways and just use space to dodge now
But tab is great for tagging

[eager ruin]

What should I changed? Bless for blaze, or perks for manic or unyielding

[odd pollen]

both

[tawdry swan]

but I used to use alt in vermintide ans I think a lotta people did

[solemn dew]

I like Focus Target

[limpid hull]

i think it makes the most sense due to kraks and such

[celest vine]

Its 60-40

[hybrid token]

and remember the golden rule

[sharp epoch]

Well it was always in the middle, but idk it should be on marksman tree with elite killer

[hybrid token]

everyone is wrong except for me

[dim citrus]

I used shift

[swift forge]

What? They changed the game, of course we are mad. How could they possibly do something as horrendous as attempt to fix the game and make it better? Riot now

[celest vine]

60% bad 40% good

[spark helm]

I literally don't know. There's some uproar allegedly over performance and talent economy. I can't speak for talent econ bcuz I don't think about it that deeply but the other shit about that standstill talent is...very silly to me.

[brazen ether]

im gonna be honest, i still don't see a reason to take the marksman focus instead of just using those talent points to get grenade talents

[celest vine]

Its not the end of the world

Could be better

[queen fox]

vet tree fix?

[robust mirage]

is this somewhat salvagable

[gusty bison]

#veteran-class message

Check this video for how lenient the stack fall off can be

[celest vine]

Tolerable

[hollow turtle]

All I care about.