veteran-class

[sharp hinge]

its just stupid

[tepid pagoda]

Are shout Vets in shambles now

[shell ginkgo]

Crab walk meta.

[celest vine]

1/3 being good is underwhelming

[drifting oak]

The thing you need to realize is that that's overkill against most of your targets

[serene sage]

at least red nodes are more accessible now haha

[hard wraith]

I don't bother looking, that video demonstration is just more about how you can be hitting crits almost every single shot with that. 50% from the plasma gun blessing and additional 33% crit chance from weapon swapping

[sharp hinge]

im literally pre-nerf bastion from overwatch

[dusk idol]

shout vet is still alright

[idle dirge]

Everyone is doomposting

[quaint valve]

Try some in matches

[drifting oak]

you go from 1-headshotting targets to 1-headshotting targets; what's the point

[tepid pagoda]

Shh. Don't tell them.

I want to hear the crying

[serene sage]

depends on the build

[hard wraith]

5 seconds of massive burst DPS

[sharp hinge]

I gotta agree, the tag keystone and the rightside one are pretty garbo

[shell ginkgo]

Remember people on that the keystones were gonna be real strong with the augments?

[dusk idol]

he feels weaker than before but it was a deserved nerf

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah the tripple shout buffs before

[sharp hinge]

rightside one especially is trash because the extension nodes are all rubbish

[quaint valve]

They are just half as good now

[rocky jacinth]

Bros how do I cope

[tepid pagoda]

Were silly

[dusk idol]

usable, but weaker than pre-15, obv

[autumn wave]

you get support characters as handlers as well so that gives it a nice vibe

[midnight patrol]

Amusingly its the only tree where you can have a Vet heavy squad not spend longer on their knees rather than standing.

[sharp hinge]

the big problem right now is that we dont have enough points to fully upgrade the keystones

and we're highly incentivized not too

[cosmic aurora]

Nah my man the reload one is sicko mode for revolver

[serene sage]

bruh they shortened the left tree and put all the good stuff up front
just grab left and grab middle

[midnight patrol]

Marksman Vet is now particularly squishy if you want the keystones

[serene sage]

and do shit ton of damage

[sharp hinge]

so u only take one point in the keystone

[dusk idol]

i agree

[drifting oak]

bruh, are you serious, the weapon with rampage and savage sweep "isn't great" against trash mobs compared to a knife?

[sharp hinge]

and flag the extensions

[celest vine]

Thats what im saying

[half wigeon]

still crashing when changing dificulty from normal to auric any fix ?

[sharp hinge]

Yeah this tree feels like

[idle dirge]

I’ll die in style

[sharp hinge]

i should have at least

40 points

30 is so stupid

[dusk idol]

exhil stance and stealth vet need some love, though imo

[celest vine]

The keystone by itself is not worth taking

[tepid pagoda]

Try a mod to set it to Auric always?

[smoky lark]

Okay so, first results from a full plasma vet player here:

Using focus target/redirect fire keystones I'm able to just, and I mean just retain the breakpoints I had prepatch. The loss of survavibility is felt, both from VoC and Confirmed kill bonus toughness being halved, but it has been replaced to a semi permanent 12%+10% buff to the entire team's DPS, so I'm fairly happy with being a good teamplayer and Elite/Specialist blender.

[sharp hinge]

if i even take a keystone i only have like 6 points left

[tepid pagoda]

Stealth especially

[autumn wave]

I'm not a huge fan of vet's synergies with knife

[dusk idol]

exhil?

[celest vine]

And it sap’s actuality good oerks

[dusk idol]

exe

exe stance*

[twin sail]

is the lawbringer a bad shotgun?

[viral laurel]

Not at my comp rn, did they do anything to trim down the top side of the vet tree?

[dim citrus]

Do the ping team buffs stack?

[drifting oak]

like if having a savage sweep+rampage weapon with great arcs on its heavy-loop for snipping multiple heads per swing

[atomic zephyr]

alright guys
im redoing my infantry lasgun build
what's better to use? marksman's focus or focus target?

[dusk idol]

no

[midnight patrol]

Its fun until your squad of three Ex Stance Vets and one zealot, the three Vets are either dead or downed more often than not

[obsidian umbra]

How can i fix this? The blessings seem alright but not the best? change the perks?

[amber portal]

just use kantreal

[drifting oak]

is "not a good melee"

[celest vine]

Like if they keystones we’re basically iron will mk2, grenade spam, and melee mk2

[idle dirge]

You can choose which grenade you want freely, basically

[autumn wave]

maybe to be used as movetech but knife on zealot is miles better

[drifting oak]

what the fuck even is

[sharp hinge]

marksman's focus

[celest vine]

But theyre not

[midnight patrol]

Last game we had three Shout Vets and one Zealot with relic

[serene sage]

kinda? it will do damage, just that the TTK is so high it's usualy not wotrth.
also carapace is huge problem

[midnight patrol]

FInally beat Heresy.

[hollow turtle]

Is this applying to ranged hits?

[steady cedar]

Damn, a full right side build on Vet still has too many nodes to really fill out properly

[tepid pagoda]

Pog.

[sharp hinge]

ur only going to be able to change the perks

[atomic zephyr]

figured, but i heard people complaining that it sucked. is it decent?

[sharp hinge]

those perks are rubbish

[half wigeon]

I'ts a problem since patch idk how to remove it

[tepid pagoda]

It should.

[sharp hinge]

skill based keystone

[drifting oak]

it's SPEIFIC

[sharp hinge]

if u have low fps like me

just stand still behind cover

[dusk idol]

not true

[hollow turtle]

Part of the big leagues now. Now get your butt to damnation

[sharp hinge]

make sure ur vet is minimum height

[drifting oak]

For some guns it literally does nothing against 99% of enemies you kill in a mission

[dusk idol]

though might be skill diff

[twin sail]

do any of the shotguns deal with carapace well?

[quaint valve]

Nice, now hurry and get to the real endgame

[sharp hinge]

so u can just crouch and uncrouch

[midnight patrol]

The new map on Heresy was far harder than any other map I've trie don heresy

[atomic zephyr]

oh
fps is fine

[autumn wave]

yes

[drifting oak]

Because you already one-headshot most everything you kill

[atomic zephyr]

is it just clicking on heads

[dusk idol]

ran a game with two others who had kantrael and agri and i out-damaged them

with the lawbringer

[midnight patrol]

That's the funny thing. Before this update I was quite happy to use Marksman Vet

[delicate kindle]

you bet your ass it is. I can kill a crusher in half a clip with my culmonus auto gun lol

[midnight patrol]

On Heresy and such

[viral laurel]

Grats on beating the tutorial

[tiny summit]

I wish shotguns were good enough to make me want to use them over other guns. Give me a slug only shotgun

[midnight patrol]

I meant beat the new map on Heresy lol

[drifting oak]

if agrippna were slugs only it would be worth using

[serene sage]

Slug only shotgun is called the Bolter

[sharp hinge]

The emperor has heard ye

[drifting oak]

but then that would honestly just make it a revolver

[sharp hinge]

and bestows upon thou the mighty boltgun

[midnight patrol]

I think I'll only try Damnation with a VC connected squad on the new map

[acoustic wyvern]

mid tree is great for support

[quaint valve]

We need everyone who can go out and do testing across the board. Think this update needs to be out for a bit before we can make some good conclusions

[delicate kindle]

it would be so busted lol

[sharp hinge]

nah

add anyone whos half competent

[twin sail]

i figured the auto reload with the right side of the tree/keystone would be good with shotguns

[sharp hinge]

they can easily solo carry u in damnation

[tulip condor]

woah was gone on trip and there is an another update?

[atomic zephyr]

fuck it, ill give marksmans a shot anyway

[pliant veldt]

Any way to get extra wounds besides curios?

[sharp hinge]

damnation is around mid-tier difficulty at best

[tulip condor]

whats new?

[sharp hinge]

auric maelstrom is the real challenge

[dusk idol]

be zealot

[tiny summit]

I want more ammo and reload speed though...and not file taxes while bringing the weapon out

[dusk idol]

or an ogryn

[quaint valve]

If you level 30 just hop into auric

[midnight patrol]

Basically a semi-auto lever gun lol

[autumn wave]

play on sedition

[sharp hinge]

u can take all the reload talents

[quaint valve]

I still think HISTG is harder than most maelstrom modifiers.

[midnight patrol]

Ping and my own skill issues doesnt allow reliable Damnation runs yet

[sharp hinge]

makes ur hands look like professor zoom

[sharp hinge]

seriously?

no way man

[half ginkgo]

my 1st impressions after running for an hour - mid tree feels solid, britlleness insetad of rending is a decne buff, but overall maybe a bit meh. I quite like the new mid tree keystone with a plasma, and the fact that you can grab determined, 25% ammo and 30% WS node on top of it, wish I could also sneak in +15% elite, which means I have to retest BPs again

[midnight patrol]

I dont come across many SEA/Asia region players who are all pog

[barren hamlet]

can you point out what has been added that has made vet stronger? because all the keystones are so far down couple that with the fact that vets most useful talents are spread across his 3 bottom trees (and they have been nerfed hard) and your short on points, the only thing keeping vet in the game is the good state of his weaps rn

[dusk idol]

agree

maelstrom is piss easy unless it's poxbursters, mutants and hounds and monstro specialists

[atomic zephyr]

this is gonna be an interesting round.

[idle dirge]

Who hurt you

[sharp hinge]

i feel like the reason y ud think auric maelstrom is easy is because the best players play on it so u get giga carried when it comes down to it

[midnight patrol]

If I can make a squad of nearby players that would be baller

[quaint valve]

But can get broken up by other things. Spawning feels more constant without the other stuff

[dusk idol]

lmao, if you say so

[unkempt lagoon]

man idk which talent im missing but now my left side vet feels like paper

[sharp hinge]

It is what it is

[dusk idol]

enhanced blitz trivialises it, as does reducecd cool down

[hollow turtle]

With my IAG build, i kind of have no choice but to go Voice of Command. I'm okay with that I guess.

[twin sail]

was Exilerating Takedown bugfixed yet?

[sharp hinge]

I had a squad last night that beat auric maelstrom in less than 20 minutes

it was just stupid

[autumn wave]

you need a link to a discord? I'm in one and we run auric consistently

[sharp hinge]

3 zealots who ran through the map slaughtering everything

[drifting oak]

blue nodes only vet got nerfed
middle keystone is great on monstrosties maelstrom, kinda mid (heh) in normal play though
right keystone is a blast, you play like a zealot but your revolver is always loaded, it's sick and absolutely worth playing

[jovial nexus]

Ngl I'm pretty disappointed with the new tree

[dusk idol]

again, enhanced blitz and reduced ability cooldown are just too strong

[tulip condor]

ya but still harder for those that lack experience with dealing with higher frequency of waves and quantities of enemies

[midnight patrol]

That would be nice thanks ;w;

[lean light]

Huh

[dusk idol]

ogryns getting 3 nukes? lmao, vets getting shout on a 15 second cd? god damn

[sharp hinge]

have u tried the scab only modifier?

u get 12 crushers every 30 seconds

[dusk idol]

scab only and no ammo pick ups is also worth doing

[quaint valve]

Yes but if you get like all scab only modifier it changes the spawns a lot

[sharp hinge]

yeah i think thats the hardest modifier in the game right

the other ones are always doable with a decent team

[tiny summit]

Didn't make a point about vet being made stronger. People should stop doomposting reading numbers under 24 hours and actually see how those numbers actually affect your gameplay. Like how FGC twitter acts when they see a move get a few frames slower and say a character got their kneecaps blown and the character is still fine or in some cases, still top

[idle dirge]

So many maulers and crushers

[sharp hinge]

no ammo pickup requires ur whole team to go psyker

[autumn wave]

sent

[dusk idol]

but when i see maelstrom and it's poxhounds and reduced cooldown

i don't feel like i'm going to have fun doing it

[half wigeon]

Same problem lmao

[sharp hinge]

u have no cd

lol

infinite shoutworks

[smoky lark]

btw, did they fuck with cosmetics this patch? I feel like the officer jacket makes me look fatter than before:

[dusk idol]

that's not fun for me

i'd rather just do histg

[finite imp]

It's like clockwork with these ninny's they ask for change. Change happens. They freak out

[junior grail]

Is it just me or is Focus really strong

[sharp hinge]

is there a maximum extra toughness?

300?

400?

[dapper vessel]

Toughness damage reduction also applies to damage from Plasma's venting

[sharp hinge]

its stupidly strong

[junior grail]

Dayum look at that phat ass

[sharp hinge]

most broken patch released so far

[drifting oak]

Focus is not GENERICALLY strong

[amber portal]

all i see is cake

[sharp hinge]

makes pre-nerf accatran recon look like a wet pile of piss

[drifting oak]

but for the things it helps you kill, its hilariously

"okay, that's dead now"

[tulip condor]

what does "Focus" do?

better yet, how is it strong

[dusk idol]

increased damage on tagged targets

[sharp hinge]

gives u 112.5% bonus finesse damage and 10% rending

[dusk idol]

wait

[finite imp]

Holy fuck

[sharp hinge]

u can get 10% rending and 40% brittleness

[tulip condor]

oh snap

[dusk idol]

am i thinking about the wrong one

[junior grail]

The left one

[sharp hinge]

its just stupid

[drifting oak]

it's way less useful than it sounds

[dusk idol]

mfw

[finite imp]

No it isn't shut up

[tulip condor]

so bvets basically strong in melee combat?

[dusk idol]

FOCUS targets and Marksman FOCUS are the keystone names

wtf

[drifting oak]

"112.5% bonus finesse damage" sounds OP until you realize that 99% of the enemies in the game already die to 1 headshot

from the weapons you'd want to be using

[sharp hinge]

yes

[hollow turtle]

New IAG tree for me.

[junior grail]

I can hit one shot headshots so easily with Focus

[finite imp]

If you use a revolver yeah lmao

[rocky stratus]

hello

[sharp hinge]

try it on monstrosities

[finite imp]

Fair enough tho

[rocky stratus]

where are the sly marbles builds

[hollow turtle]

Personally, I've never used voice of command.

[rocky stratus]

where is it

[sharp hinge]

they will feel like regular crushers to u

[rocky stratus]

WHY ARE THERE NO INFILTRATE BUOLDS

[solar garden]

The "Ranged Specialist" talent for crit chance either isn't working right, or is egregiously mislabeled.
I can perceive no difference in crit chance at any stack level. And at a whopping supposed "33%" per stack, it should be easily apparent in testing.
(Even tested 1-3 stacks in case going over 100% was causing a stack overflow bug of some kind).

[drifting oak]

i agree, but the average player isn't playing monstrosities maelstrom

[sharp hinge]

the average player's opinion dosent matter

auric maelstrom is the name of the game

[serene sage]

Ig you'll crab walk all game and only hit headshots while fending off horde without losing stacks somehow

[sharp hinge]

Darktide is Auric Maelstrom

[drifting oak]

I think saying "it's broken strong" when it really only help you kill monstrosities isn't applicable to the average player

[sharp hinge]

yeah it feels weird to walk like a penguin but u get used to it

sometimes i get funny looks lmao

[quaint valve]

Weapons have a crit chain limit, depending on weapon

[serene sage]

Most everyone here play Auric T5 minimum. Don't preach to the choir

[delicate kindle]

Same, I noticed no difference when I was mag dumping a col cuto gun

[junior grail]

A deadly pingwing

[dusk idol]

the keystone cap where you get to regen stacks on focus while crouch walking

[sharp hinge]

Just go invis whenever theres a horde lmao

[dusk idol]

wtf is that

[valid apex]

No onslaught? Poop tier

[sharp hinge]

i dunno man i keep seeing heresy poppies

[hollow turtle]

Infil build was the first one I went for.

[quaint valve]

Weapons have a crit chain limit. Just like how recon got nerfed to only crit up to 3 times in a row instead of 5

[hollow turtle]

I don't even remember what onslaught was.

[midnight patrol]

Infil and Voc seem to be what most folk run with.. Hmm.

[delicate kindle]

Are you for fucking real? LAME

[hollow turtle]

There it is.

[solar garden]

Lol sure.
And would you care to explain how that explains getting a 0% increase in crits from a weapon with only base crit?

No, it's broken. Please don't blindly defend something that needs fixed.

[sharp hinge]

it dosent matter

[half ginkgo]

so far running this with plasma and psvi. might swap the top nodes (pre shredder around to the left side)

[latent stone]

They fixed the bug that causes stun immune on veteran, it's no longer possible to spam power sword in hordes

[serene sage]

ExStance needs some amount of Toughness regen

[sharp hinge]

infantry autoguns have replaced recon lasguns

[junior grail]

The Bigger They Are is back! ...sort of

[tulip condor]

cuz the last one sucks now

[dusk idol]

it needs toughness dr

[delicate kindle]

... YOu still can? what

[midnight patrol]

Yeah, but people keep defending Ex Stance

[rocky stratus]

is this a joke

[junior grail]

Was it the grenade one?

[celest vine]

On god I dont think you even need a keystone

[untold mulch]

or DR

[serene sage]

You lose charge if hit by melee

[latent stone]

Yes

[delicate kindle]

don't get hit lol

[outer mulch]

Ok I'm here for vet drama What have people run into so far?

[hollow turtle]

No. Personally, I'm just not heavy on the melee in infil.

[dusk idol]

i haven't used any and felt pretty much buck standard, just a little squishier

[celest vine]

Lasgun vet may not even need one to be good

[rocky stratus]

oh i see

[atomic zephyr]

warp traveller plays in the new mission

:D

[celest vine]

Is there even a keystone that increases damsge resistance?

[sharp hinge]

do u guys think they should add in a T6 difficulty after damnation and give everyone 40 talent points?

[celest vine]

I dont think there is kne

[atomic zephyr]

i think its warp traveller

[sharp hinge]

I think that would be the right move

[hybrid token]

all im hearing in here from people who think stuff like "ex stance is bad" is that they have skill issues

[dusk idol]

a keystone? no

[hollow turtle]

I'm more of a range, then use infil if it gets bad.

[rocky stratus]

i use ap/knife so i am very heavy in close combat/switching weapons

[languid rose]

Melee/voc/trench still decent?

[dusk idol]

there's some with toughness regen

that's all though

[sharp hinge]

Feel no pain for Ogryn

[celest vine]

5 is reasonable

[viscid sparrow]

I myself still use Exec Stance, because it helps me with ranged weapon dps...

[quaint valve]

Everything is broken and nothing is viable

[rocky stratus]

oh it’s a get out free card

[drifting oak]

I blame moba/overwatch players who think that pushing F should also make them unkillable

[sharp hinge]

its too easy with a good team, sometimes hard with a bad team

[dusk idol]

ogryn chat's down there

[delicate kindle]

Give the vet like 3 more points or something, this is so lame

[hollow turtle]

Hey I finally got to have an ability modifier with my infil at least. Unlike before.

[hard wraith]

Just retested this. I didn't realize it said that you gain 33% crit chance PER stack. One stack is enough to gain 80% crit chance on overheat plasma gun

[drifting oak]

i swear that's why people are so mad about losing the 75% DR when ulting

[wispy oyster]

My favorite Vet keystone, the one on Ogryn

[celest vine]

Or just combine like perks into one

[drifting oak]

they don't get to tunnel vision and ignore core game mechanics anymore

[celest vine]

[outer mulch]

Just like before. Back to the meme builds then

[hybrid token]

i never noticed that loss coz i dont get hit while ult is up, everything dies before its in 20 metres lol

[celest vine]

Like wht the fuck is 8 meter damage and toughness regetn seperate perks

They can be one

[sharp hinge]

would u take it if it was an actual option?

[solemn anvil]

This is so broken that playin any other char is going to be USELESS

[hollow turtle]

They kind of just redistributed the toughness DR to the keystones.

[half ginkgo]

shout nerfed to +50% toughness, marksman is nerfed to 20% power from 50% power on WS, For the Emperor is nerfed to 10%, bigger they are down to 20%, some perks moved around in bad way, just from the top of my head. still feels ok imho

[serene pagoda]

i like this one.

[karmic musk]

Welp whole Marksman Focus run on Damnation Carnival.
Even if they buffed it 3x its current power, I still wouldn't take it. What a completely unfun playstyle.

[celest vine]

Wasnt shout originally 50 toughness anyway?

[winged sonnet]

Damn spending 1 point on +25% suppression feels bad

[celest vine]

They buffed it just to revert it next update?

[half ginkgo]

yes, 50 buffed to 100, back to 50

[wispy oyster]

yes

[celest vine]

Bruh

Why even fuck with it then

[hybrid token]

its still buffed compared to original shout

[junior grail]

They wanna be space marines

[quaint valve]

But now with more cool down reduction options

[hybrid token]

they gave shout multiple buffs not just the 100 toughness

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah but CD is much lower now

[hybrid token]

and it still has all the other buffs

[dusk idol]

confirmed kill was also nerfed

[umbral scaffold]

Shit by how much

[half ginkgo]

yes, that also

[rocky stratus]

am waiting for space hulk 2 for sm content

[celest vine]

Curios should help with the cut out toughness perks

[quaint valve]

25/25 to 10/20

[wispy oyster]

half

[dusk idol]

25% regen on kill reduced to 10% and 25% regen over time down to 20%

[hybrid token]

its right at the top of the tree now tho

[glacial peak]

is there a reddit post out there that shows all the new vet tree?

[umbral scaffold]

DAAAAAMN

[hybrid river]

+elite damage talent is now unobtainable if you’re not doing a sharpshooter build

[devout atlas]

"Fixed a bug where Shotguns weapon special "reload" wasn't affected by any of the reload speed talents and other buffs." oh fuck yes. Lawbringer build even better

[molten dew]

What am I looking at?

[languid dune]

It really makes you feel like a Scab Sniper

Just without the damage

[half ginkgo]

I think I have lost ~20 toughness and hp, compared to old build with 2T1H curos setup. all 3 with +5 h and t substats

[latent stone]

In last patch you can recover toughness instantly with perks and you are stun immune with the grenadier perk bug, making you literally invulunable, but now they fixed the bug as well as nerfed the toughness you gain from kills

[noble onyx]

Seems decent so far, you can keep the stacks of the extra ping damage up fairly well, and I guess the +40% damage can make a decent difference against bosses

[umbral scaffold]

I’m at work still gotta see what I can make with

As long as I can get my toughness reduction that should be good for me personally

[dusk idol]

incentivising not moving is ass

[half wigeon]

oh okay nice

[quaint valve]

Yeah 10% feels low, maybe need it to 20% or 15% at least

[midnight patrol]

.. Hmm.. Wait.

[hollow turtle]

This patch is going to be fun as a vet for me, because for the most part, my style of play hasn't changed.

[celest vine]

I have a health, toughness and wound curio

[midnight patrol]

I wonder..

[celest vine]

I try to be versatile

[karmic musk]

Yeah its not a numbers thing for me, the mechanic just feels ass to play with

[half ginkgo]

I just don't get it why they nerfed Marksman to 20% power

[midnight patrol]

Would the Agri shotgun work with the Marksman tree..

[delicate kindle]

What is your build lol

[hybrid token]

i 1 shot muties and ogryns now, so patch is good

[midnight patrol]

Since the special shell loading is now reload speed buffed

[trim hemlock]

Because the power was shifted to other things in the tree, notably the keystone

[dusk idol]

i do hope they do fix exhil takedown though, it'd be an alright talent to take

if we didn't take more damage for taking it loll

[karmic musk]

I would take it for Helbore

[half ginkgo]

I am listening, Azreal. Please, enlighten me, as I was just about getting ready to roll Brunt's for bolters 😄

[balmy flume]

So any significant changes for Hellbore players?

[wispy oyster]

We could do this before tho

[dusk idol]

i'd take it for plasma, revolver, HH, anything i tap heads with

[karmic musk]

Your tag is Yellow now

[trim hemlock]

Still is. It only ever is an issue if you get hit in melee while engaging something else far away, and even then you can take Iron Will to mitigate it

[devout atlas]

"Reduced explosion damage on Monstrosities." krak and rumbler nerf rip

[fresh dome]

I run a grenade build feel not a lot of person I get match with use there grenade

[dusk idol]

it's getting hit in melee that's vets main issue

[trim hemlock]

The unfortunate part is its placement, because it competes with reload speed on elite/special kill

[wispy oyster]

did they give a number for how much it was lowered? "reduced" could mean anything...

[dusk idol]

making it worse is not good, but it's not a big problem since you can always just not take the bugged talent

[dapper spear]

is anyoen else experiencing a ridiculously stupid amount of gunners

[dusk idol]

though, vet is a little sore in the toughness department now

[dapper spear]

on the carnival map

[viscid sparrow]

btw, this is my revolver vet build, feel free to ridicule me for my stupid choices if you don't agree with my skill point investments

[half ginkgo]

I would say with the marksman nerf and new get ranged power while not moving keystone it feels more sluggish now

[gusty bison]

New ai director

[dapper spear]

its literally impossible to move

[idle dirge]

Krak grenade now fully heals monstrosities

[dusk idol]

difficulties got difficultier

[gusty bison]

Its on every map now

[karmic musk]

You wouldn't take that on Helbore

[dapper spear]

its obscene how many gunners spawn on the new map specifically, i counted 20+ in just one section back to back on heresy

[trim hemlock]

That would be my only reason to take it. It still has some value for just keeping toughness afloat while you dodge fire/melee attacks

[hybrid token]

new ai director rules

[dapper spear]

something is absolutely wrong with the ai director right now

[hybrid token]

game is actually slightly challenging for once

[dusk idol]

agreed, though i still don't like that you have to essentially gimp Iron Will so you can have some toughness back in your kit

but, what can you do, work with what you got

[fading grove]

If my ass was able to reliably win Auric missions you know it was too easy before

[fresh dome]

The other day i killed 12 shotgunner with one grenade

[languid escarp]

Tf is braced autogun blessing pool anyway and why does it keep giving me Hit and Run 3

[half ginkgo]

off to roll bolters - what is the go to god roll? surgical + pinning/shattering and flak + maniac?

[candid sierra]

New vet tree is buns. Bugs are still there too.

[dusk idol]

i like it

it's fun

[fading grove]

No Idea. This is my first Bolter though

[barren hamlet]

not doomposting, stating the facts, never said that vet is unplayable just in the weakest state its ever been in, it holds few unique strengths over the other classes and is leaning hard on the strong state of the weap pool to make up the difference, i cant see it going for long without a another look over

[dapper spear]

you like not being able to move because a single bullet hits you and then you get stunlocked by gunners from 5 different directions?

[daring peak]

first left side keystone i've seen

[dusk idol]

histg5's were a bit of a snooze unless your team wiped

[worthy pelican]

have you even played the new vet?

[trim hemlock]

Pinning I’d say is the most universal blessing, so that should be the base. Then yes, Surgical or Shattering. Perks wise IIRC Maniac and Flak net you breakpoints, but I may be out of date with information on me

[gilded rock]

Am I crazy or does it make 8000% more sense for For the Emperor! to be on the weapons specialist keystone tree?

[dusk idol]

typically, you just move

[dapper spear]

you cannot even outplay with that going on

[dusk idol]

though

i did notice

[serene bough]

Maniac + unyielding imo but yeah Surgical + Pinning/Shattering

[bright charm]

il just play smite psyker, update sucks.

[dapper spear]

you could be the best player in the game and you would just die

[elder fiber]

weapons specialist feels good and it synergizes with agile engagement which is already really strong

[dapper spear]

the stunlock on getting shot is too much

[dusk idol]

i had some moments where i legit was just stuck in mud for a couple moments in my games

[dapper spear]

^^^^^^

every mission on carnival so far

[karmic musk]

Just shoot them lmao

[serene bough]

carnival fun

shooty shooties all over the place

[wanton dawn]

👏flexible👏tree👏

[serene bough]

fun firefights

[half ginkgo]

unyielding over flak? for reaper bp or just boss damage?

[dusk idol]

i'd get shot and wouldn't be hurt by anything else, but for aa few seconds after i was like 90% slowed

[elder fiber]

I can't tell how much focus target is actually doing tho, and the mechanics on marksman's focus seem like assssssss

[gilded rock]

Why would the buff that increases your damage with both melee and ranged, not be with the fucking keystone that does both melee and ranged?

[dusk idol]

weird

[dapper spear]

you cant shoot through the 10 different hordes they spawn constantly

[karmic musk]

You crab walk to a spot, headshot the fool, crab walk to another spot headshot another fool, repeat. This chat is so trash lmao

[serene bough]

reapers, bulwarks, and monstros

[olive pelican]

Try to use that on auric and prepare to not use it ever

[bright charm]

Just going from start to allocating a keystone, straight down with no deviation: Vet has 9 points left over, Zealot has 12, Ogryn has 12, Psyker has 14.

[dusk idol]

otherwise though i had a lot of fun on my carnival games

[serene bough]

i think bolter can already reliably 1hko flak enemies if you land a headshot

[dusk idol]

lost a couple and won a couple

good experience

[serene bough]

may not even need a headshot

[pulsar radish]

Shock trooper seems bugged lmao

[midnight patrol]

.. Oh wow.

[wanton dawn]

It is fine all talent on the way are great ! Like born leader !

[languid escarp]

Technically speaking close damage works with both melee and ranged

[midnight patrol]

With all the reload buffs running

[pulsar radish]

Unless it flat now no longer works with the recons.

[trim hemlock]

Huh. The ammo change is interesting, isn’t it?

[karmic musk]

+25% SUPPRESSION

[midnight patrol]

You can shoot the Agri special shell as fast as you can reliably aim or pump the rack

[serene bough]

ive noticed you love born leader

[gilded rock]

Fair nuff, still feels like an oversight

[midnight patrol]

That's a massive QOL

[fresh dome]

I run born leader and a bolter with the each bullet in a salvo is 4% tough up to 5 stack that's like 256% toughness back from shooting my bolter allies get 15% of that so toughness is never an issue

[winged sonnet]

dont forget the extra 50% suppression just under it lmao

[serene sage]

this one
i still prefer flak over unyielding

[austere blade]

Wanted some help building out another general-purpose build. Has Kantrael Lasgun and Chainsword

[pulsar radish]

I think middle tree keystone is probably the goat.

[karmic musk]

I don't see no Keystones, what are you smoking

[dusk idol]

born leader only works if you're out of toughness and though i can't speak on the efficacy of your full toughness regen bolter

[crude wind]

def my fave

[dusk idol]

that doesn't sound like a lot of fun

[pulsar radish]

Fair left seems...dookie

[crude wind]

this build is fucking dumb lol

[karmic musk]

Far left doesnt exist

[pulsar radish]

Like literal bath water

[serene sage]

keystones seem so ass I think you should skip them still lmao

[pulsar radish]

The right side seems fun

[crude wind]

all this damage was powersword

[austere blade]

The keystones look like crap to me

[crude wind]

i shot revolver like, a few times

[pulsar radish]

Middle one ain't bad

[noble onyx]

Tested it in a match just now, having 40% damage increase with a lot of uptime and that extra damage after a target dies is pretty neat, but the investment is pretty heavy

[wanton dawn]

I love suppression !

[karmic musk]

So what you are saying is.... another Power Sword nerf

We are on a chain of Vet nerfs

[noble onyx]

Err, not 40%, hold on

[shell ginkgo]

Ayo

[delicate kindle]

what build?

[shell ginkgo]

Can we take one of these?

[dusk idol]

i skipped ability modifiers before, i'll skip the damn keystones now

[dapper spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/674035600239886368/1174028660894875738/gunner.mp4?ex=65661a65&is=6553a565&hm=664f3e1a24691dec763b5b2518a0fbb0b2a1d9baa89925e4e1d3aa3bc172c3aa&

[dapper spear]

fair and balanced ai director btw

[noble onyx]

32%

[terse idol]

Powersword was still incredible last patch wdym

[dusk idol]

unless one's really good and i'm just sleeping on it

[shell ginkgo]

There's a bunch of longas just waiting to be stolen.

[dapper spear]

definitely not got a problem with shitting out 1000 gunners

[crude wind]

i'm saying when you run Agile Engagement and weapon swap keystone u just have insane melee and a revolver that crits ewvery time it shoots

[austere blade]

It's 32%

[terse idol]

Just pop the 2 meta blessings and it's done

[crude wind]

agile engagement, revolver, weapon swap

i will post now

[pulsar radish]

I'm hoping next they announce a bunch of weapons cough hotshot Ladgun

[noble onyx]

I just corrected myself, yeah

[serene sage]

i will be rocking this

[noble onyx]

Thought the bonus was 5%, not 4%

[terse idol]

Truth be told like

I don't thonk we get the hotshot

🥹

[idle dirge]

I want them to make bad weapons better before they add new ones

[pulsar radish]

Probably never tbf

I'd accept a stubber

[serene pagoda]

inb4 zealot wep

[terse idol]

Zealot honestly might get the melta

[noble onyx]

But yeah holy shit, Fatshark I get what you're trying to do but you really need to reduce the bloat in the tree

[pulsar radish]

Nah zealot seems like a melta

[delicate kindle]

LOL nice can't wait to fight this

[terse idol]

Which we did see on the weapon leak

[karmic musk]

Ogryn Hotshot

[crude wind]

you can definitely cut the double frag

[cloud current]

they're all one tap enemies 🤷‍♂️

[serene sage]

mad lad actually took twin nade

[dapper spear]

ok buddy

[crude wind]

just to test it

[dapper spear]

you try and one tap them

[crude wind]

easy cut

[pulsar radish]

We probably will get a long las

[terse idol]

The melta is too complicated for ogrynn wdym

[dapper spear]

when youre getting shot 1000 times from 54 different angles

[pulsar radish]

Big said

[wanton dawn]

To celebrate the introduction of the keystone, i will attempt my best to make the best build that entirely ignore them

[dapper spear]

and surrounded by shitter enemies that block movement even more

[serene sage]

oh they buffed it

[cloud current]

should have tapped them before you were surrounded

[dapper spear]

if you think ai director is not broken rn

you are deluded

[fading grove]

what's the key difference between recon lasguns and infantry lasguns

[crude wind]

powersword weapon swap good

[austere blade]

Based

[crude wind]

I think revolver needs to be fucking nerfed

this gun is just ridiculous

[dapper spear]

ok sure lets pretend youre right

[terse idol]

The rate of fire

[karmic musk]

ones pew pew pew the other is BBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[worthy pelican]

they nerfed it

[dapper spear]

you cant shoot through the railing

[worthy pelican]

can kinda see why

[fading grove]

oh

[serene sage]

give it one (1) cleave

[terse idol]

Recon Las guns are full auto

Regular Las guns are semi

[worthy pelican]

if ur on pc there's mod for full auto all guns

[south garnet]

so I saw the tree, it's just harder to get vital nodes and still just as pointless trying to contort point expenditure to reach the caps at the end of the tree?

[noble onyx]

I can kinda see as well, considering with the right setup it's basically a delete monstrosities and daemonhosts button

[crude wind]

nah they didn't, they tweaked it. It was 5% at 3 seconds per tick, now its 4% and 2s per tick

[south garnet]

is that correct?

[crude wind]

so it's kind of a buff if anythingf

[terse idol]

That's not normal so I'm not counting that

[worthy pelican]

ic, that's better ye

[crude wind]

yeah agile engagement and weapon swap kestyone builds are ridonkulous

[serene sage]

still no swap speed so you are stuck with revolver and maybe plasma

[dapper spear]

if you guys can do a full mission of damnation without dying to gunner spam ill listen to what you have to say about 'just shooting them'

on the carnival map

[crude wind]

Agri Shotgun can do it too but that one is less good

[terse idol]

Oh on not auric damnation?

[karmic musk]

I did 5 of those today

[terse idol]

Doable

[hybrid token]

i just did 3 hi5 shocks on the carnival back to back without dying using ex stance

[tulip condor]

using kantrael

[serene bough]

is that overkill damage to the right

[pulsar radish]

It also seems recon doesn't current benefit from shocktrooper lol

[serene sage]

have you heard of our lord and savior 60% gunner res curios?

[fading grove]

just Darktide things

[karmic musk]

Using the fragging Marksman Focus with a Kantrael which is intentionally handicapping myself

[thick pike]

Out of curiosity is 1% of ranged finnese equal to 1% extra damage of weakspot and crit?

[dapper spear]

having to take curios specifically to counter a broken ai director is not exciting gameplay

[south garnet]

how bad is the director now?

[terse idol]

I mean its not a broken AI director

[noble onyx]

I played a match just now and the gunner spam was ridiculous, but it's still fairly manageable
But also, Gunners have never really been the biggest threat

[dapper spear]

BAD

[south garnet]

neat

[dapper spear]

it is absolutely shitting out ranged and gunners

[hybrid token]

good

[terse idol]

That's debatable, to be fair, if they appear you can get shredded in seconds

[karmic musk]

So more food for you as a Vet?

[hybrid token]

game was way to easy

[calm vine]

It literally spawns an endless stream of ranged and melee enemies including elites and specials

[idle dirge]

Time to stack gunner resistance on all three curios

[dapper spear]

additionally half the time basic ranged enemies just never go into melee with you even when theyre right next to you

[serene bough]

true

[dapper spear]

so enjoy that

[south garnet]

finally a reason to use a helbore build

[crude wind]

I have 3 builds that are pretty disgusting right now.
Pure sharpshooter Kantrael IV
Infiltrate Columnus Ping build Raking Fire
The Iron Commissar - powersword and plasma/revolver weapon swap shout

[serene sage]

imagine having to make a functional build instead of closing your eyes and click random loadouts 😔

[hybrid token]

and even with the broken ai its still to easy lol

[dapper spear]

0 brain cell response

did you even read the message

[karmic musk]

I don't see no Helbore, you have failed the Emperor

[hybrid token]

you should have gunner res on your trinkets anyway

[noble onyx]

They deal reduced damage to toughness, are slow and fairly easy to deal with but it can definitely become troublesome out of position. Still, I never felt like they were tough to deal with.. Regular shooters have usually been a bigger threat.

[terse idol]

To be fair its not entirely intuitive to have to run gunner res on all curios

[crude wind]

I'm not the biggest Hellebore enjoyer tbh, prefer the other Lasgun family

[dapper spear]

'making a functional build' according to you equals picking all gunner reduction curios specifically to counter a stupid ai director

[serene bough]

stamina regen all the way

[dapper spear]

super fun

[serene sage]

truly, somehow not dying to gunners on Auric Maelstrom requires 0 braincells

[terse idol]

Well to be fair, I mean curios don't change much

[crude wind]

it's not like curios are an interesting design space anyway

[mortal horizon]

is grenade tinkerer still bugged/good?

[crude wind]

you just take the 3 best stats and chill

[hybrid token]

i just did 3 hi shock damnations without dying and i have a glass cannon build lol

[hollow turtle]

We didn't win because two of us fell off an edge we didn't know was there (new map), but as my infil ranged build, I still did fine.

[terse idol]

We'll always pick the best

[hybrid token]

its not that hard

[half wigeon]

i've tried anything nothing seems really good to play with the colomnus

[serene sage]

no longer bugged, still good with frags imo

[terse idol]

Which can just mean all toughness with + toughness

[crude wind]

sadly it is dead

[dapper spear]

exactly so limiting your build more by forcing gunner curios =/= fun or balanced gameplay

[karmic musk]

Gravity is the 5th Chaos God

[crude wind]

Thy nade be swift

[hollow turtle]

Gotta add headshot counter to my scoreboard

[terse idol]

Or all health with +health

[crude wind]

i have a buld for ya

very good

[south garnet]

they removed the stun immunity

[earnest nexus]

what are the veteran mains initial thoughts on the new skill tree?

[barren hamlet]

yea and some of the old breakpoints are seemingly gone now (maybe with a god roll revolver you could still one tap crushers) and i can deal with that but this is a nerf for most of vets kit and i cant see why they did this old vets were no more dominant then the other classes

[half wigeon]

iam listening big man

[karmic musk]

Just use the same Rending build with Weapon Specialist, its not hard

[dapper spear]

why are people so desperate to delude themselves about the ai director being harder, when its not that its harder just that its shitting out ranged that just cheese your entire ability to play through the level

[gilded wraith]

did Exhilirating Takedown get fixed?

[serene sage]

you can build marksman with suppression immune and kill them from afar

[mortal horizon]

lmao for real.
anything else to look out for? i see confirmed kill moved up top, branches squashed a bit.
What are the big noticeable things to get or stay away from? (I know exhilerating takedown is bugged)

[dapper spear]

ok lets say you do

[outer mulch]

I had five very specialized loadouts. I’m gonna have to rebuild them all

[dapper spear]

you still get movement slowdown every time you get shot

[hybrid token]

dont get shot

[dapper spear]

horde spawning 24/7 zero breaks

[calm vine]

Is anyone liking the focus talent?

[crude wind]

this fucking shreds

[dapper spear]

maulers then also start spawning

horde blocks your view

[dapper spear]

youre an idiot

[karmic musk]

Welcome to Damnation I guess

[terse idol]

Uh just take the immune to suppression perk

[rough igloo]

Surprise Maulers, my favorite

[noble onyx]

I think the main aspect people are ignoring is that Fatshark intentionally stated that there are supposed to be fewer elites - when it is exactly the opposite.

[dapper spear]

it just feels absolutely broken

[crude wind]

position and cycling ping buff is really important in this one

[dapper spear]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[terse idol]

For a ranged build if they didn't remove or change it, that's still baseline

[karmic musk]

More Elites are better

[crude wind]

yeah agree

[karmic musk]

There I said it

[half wigeon]

not using survivalist ?

and stealth ?

oof i don't like that

[crude wind]

you don't need it

[south garnet]

didn't they say on higher difficulties they tweaked the director to ramp up intensity faster?

[crude wind]

try it before you judge

[half wigeon]

i'll try dw xd

[calm vine]

The high amount of elites and specials is amazing it keeps you on your toes

[midnight wing]

imagine standing still in this game. what in gods name is the marksman's focus talent?

[crude wind]

just go crunch numbers in Psykhanium

see how it works

[terse idol]

Then the AI director is broke like tombstone said because
FS did increase elite health while decreasing frequency across the board

[crude wind]

you will be surprised 🙂

[terse idol]

Last patch

[serene sage]

so let me get this right
you want a build that lets you tank everything, horde, melee elites, gunners, etc.
but when someone actually tells you the solution of just taking gunner res, you don't like it
and you want an all rounder build without actually paying the equipment cost for it?

[dapper spear]

yeah if by 'on your toes' you mean 'unable to move or dodge at all due to movement reduction'

[outer mulch]

I saw a Roman phalanx of Bulwarks 3 to a side and 6 deep it was awesome. My whole team had to stop for a second to stare in awe

[idle dirge]

Keep in mind you don’t need to be totally still. You can move, it slowly drains stacks rather than totally depleting them

[dapper spear]

youre just not worth responding to if youre not even going to read what im typing

[noble onyx]

Elite spam is technically helpful for most builds since they give a bonus on kills, but at the same time it gets old seeing the same 10 Crusher 10 Rager train rushing at you.

[barren fulcrum]

dude i saw 130857139085 gunners and i stopped for 1 nanosecond and died

[dapper spear]

the problem isnt my build you absolute baffoon

[outer mulch]

Same bro

[hybrid token]

good, there should be even more

[mortal horizon]

was this a talent before? IM guessing changed bc the keystone gives the dmg for swapping weapons now.
is this good?

[karmic musk]

Time to bust out the Frag Grenades

[old quail]

ive seen patrols where its 2 dif enemy types next to each other

[karmic musk]

That kill feed will be glorious

[calm vine]

I dont have anything against the new ai director, the new map layout is just against us since there are a few areas with open ground

[old quail]

like a conga line of gunners, and then right behind it

conga line of shotgunners

[dusk idol]

this was a talent before

[hybrid token]

yeah that was there

[dapper spear]

its the fact that getting 1 million ranged spawns just makes the movement slowdown happen constantly, and combined with the nonstop hordes, snipers, specials, etc. there is literally 0 counterplay

[serene sage]

hahaha okay buddy, we don't have to engage, i kinda know what your skill is at now anyway
gl and try to have fun in game
or play something else more at your level ❤️

[hybrid token]

in fact it was a single node so you HAD to get it

[dapper spear]

this is valid

[true bramble]

How do i remove double tap marking?

[terse idol]

They can adjust the AI director if it was a mistake

[dapper spear]

but still its not working as it should

its just unbelieveably unfun

[pastel rose]

how fast do they drain

[atomic zephyr]

new mission plays both warp traveller and nightsider

[karmic musk]

Pretty fast

[karmic musk]

I had to purposely stop myself moving to keep up more than 3 stacks

[crude wind]

"BULWARKS?? WOT IS YOR PROFESSHUN?"

[serene sage]

nightsider is a bop

[crude wind]

fart noise

[mortal horizon]

what are you guys rocking for plasma, which keystone?

[barren fulcrum]

if i wanted to play call of duty i wouldnt have loaded up darktide

[idle dirge]

#veteran-class message

[terse idol]

You gain more stacks than you lose when you kill and then move

[crude wind]

crouch dodge

[pastel rose]

that focus talent would be great if combined with the old camoflage perk

[thick pike]

Out of curiosity is 1% of ranged finnese equal to 1% extra damage of weakspot and crit?

[frank hamlet]

at max stacks for weapon speciailist, it just multiplicitivly applies the crit bonus right? like if its 10% base then I'd have 33% with max stacks?

[outer mulch]

My friends do not understand the importance of not hanging out in open areas, not leaving coherency in damnation, and that you shouldn’t move into the stuff that keeps spawning behind you

[calm vine]

I like the ai director right now every area is a target rich environment the problem is carnivals openness (last area is a large collosseum that spawns enemies everywhere

[half wigeon]

tested it @crude wind seems good but i don't like for some reasons

[terse idol]

You can stand still for a moment to make a few shots, because unless you're dodging you don't need to move anyways

[forest maple]

I dunno guys, i generally feel weaker this patch

[dapper spear]

people who are saying its fine as is and 'more elites is better' and 'you just suck at the game haha xd' are probably the same people running the absolute most broken cope builds just to scrape by

[gusty sonnet]

Does anyone know how much krak dmg was nerfed vs monstro?

[forest maple]

played a few matches

[terse idol]

Because shooters will hit you unless you dodge, strafing does nothing

[karmic musk]

Now you're coping

[idle dirge]

It’s hard to tell, things were also made harder

[karmic musk]

Just admit you're bad lmao

[crude wind]

that's fair enough, you can run the same thing but swap infiltrate for shout and raking fire for whatever

[outer mulch]

OH BOY I love error code 2001

[atomic zephyr]

wait that wasnt just me?

i also just dced

[crude wind]

you'll lose flanking tho

[terse idol]

Just chill jesus

[true bramble]

How do i remove double tap marking in options?

[dapper spear]

vero i stopped listening to your takes when you said the same thing 5 minutes ago

[calm vine]

The last area in carnival is also against close range veterans since enemies can spawn on the other side of the map

[dapper spear]

your input is absolutely worthless

[forest maple]

We are definitely weaker, defensively wise

[half wigeon]

raking fire ?

[karmic musk]

Cause what I said has been true since the first message but you ain't listening lmao

[barren fulcrum]

i had 0 idea that playing carnival is like playing fucking battlefield

[terse idol]

Damn vet chat turning into a cesspool because we're a few hours into a new patch before FS does any improvements

[karmic musk]

Cut that ego out you will enjoy the game better

[pastel rose]

thanks! this doesn't seem too bad

[hybrid token]

i run a glass canon exe stance build, that everyone says sucks and ive done 3 hi 5 shocks without dying

[crude wind]

the blessing on the autogun that gives 40% damage when flanking (180 degrees behind enemy). insanely strong and infiltrate/low profile sets it up

[hybrid token]

what now

[serene sage]

i mean let's not pretend the other guy wasn't throwing insults around and raging lol

[hazy comet]

any talent build somewhere for the new patch?

[terse idol]

That's fair too

[half wigeon]

oh yeah forgot that

[dapper spear]

its just insane the amount of delusion some people in here have about something thats obviously an issue purely because they want to show off they did it with some BiS broken bullshit build

[terse idol]

I mean we can step back and see if FS does adjust carnival because it's too hard

[hybrid token]

game is still to easy lol

[dapper spear]

people want the game to be harder and i agree

but not like this

[crude wind]

some people really don't like stealth/flanking/low profile so if that's you then just swap to shout and overshield and take a different second blessing (so would be DUmdum and whatever else)

[rocky jacinth]

I'm thinking about joining the traitor guard, the God-Emperor has clearly forsaken us.

[crude wind]

Raking Fire is GOATed when you play into it tho

[dapper spear]

its just not fun because of the amount of impact it has on your ability to simply use the movement tools and abilities youre given

[serene sage]

people bring well thought out builds into highest difficulty level while I can't beat it while clicking random loadout
clearly the game is broken

[fathom wedge]

Reject vet

Embrace zealot

[atomic zephyr]

no

[barren hamlet]

what part of carnival is hard?

[wanton dawn]

Oh my lord i just saw the crab walking node

[karmic musk]

Where is the Inquisitor?

[serene sage]

I can't wait for the Reddit posts complaining about crab walk vets

[crude wind]

WELCOME TO CRAB DODGE META

[fathom grail]

Reject zealot embrace ogryn

[dusk idol]

it's beautiful

[fathom wedge]

Either is fine

[crude wind]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

me

playing marksman

[calm vine]

The new focus fire talent shouldnt change the default tag ability it should be a separate key

[barren hamlet]

carnival seems norm to me tbh

[thick pike]

Could someone help me understand ranged finnese for marksmanship focus? Is 1% ranged finnese equal to 1% extra damage on weakspot and crit hits?

[onyx tusk]

Everything new is hard

[terse idol]

That makes it too goofy

[dark sorrel]

Veteran still feels anemic points wise this is so sad

[terse idol]

What do you mean?

[dark sorrel]

They really need to consolidate more talents 💀

[wanton dawn]

How is it possible to fuck up a tree so freaking bad ? Is it patch 13 ?

[terse idol]

Vet felt alright last patch and we didn't even have keystones

[serene sage]

Me: Mom, can we have Ratling gunners?
Mom: We have Ratling gunners at home
Ratling Gunners at home:

[terse idol]

🥹

[outer mulch]

Why tf does that 15 toughness node exist?

What a waste

[dapper vessel]

onslaught doesnt apply on melee hits anymore

[karmic musk]

rip?

[open sphinx]

my god damn talent tree aint saving when i put in all my points :(

[terse idol]

The bugs the buuugs

[serene sage]

the fixed tinker, i am in shamble

[noble onyx]

I'm really wondering if Fatshark created this tree accidentally thinking the Veteran has 40 points to spend

[karmic musk]

you need to exit the UI and re-enter

[dapper spear]

if any one of you can actually show me a video of you guys completing a damnation/auric carnival without having to ultra cheese ill genuinely be open to changing my mind

[candid sierra]

the TLDR is Keystones take too much to reach. bugs are still there and moving of essential points seems kinda ass. Keystones are kinda boring/not worth (imo depending what youre looking to do)

[hazy comet]

Saw a reworked build in gameslantern. Is this tested already?

[hybrid token]

why would you need onslaught to apply on melee, what are you hitting them with, a squeaky mallet ?

[grave kayak]

Ranged Specialist is totally ass, it only grants crit chance to first shoot or so. Shame, I hoped to make recon lasgun close quarters build but it feels like a stricte melee+revolver/plasma capstone

[dapper vessel]

you know have to use exploit weakness for brittleness on melee

[dapper vessel]

wdym by this

[dark sorrel]

WTF IS THAT

When did they release a new monstrosity

This is so sad

[terse idol]

What's an ultra cheese

[dapper spear]

people saying 'omg its easy youre just bad!' and just pretending the problems dont exist to flex make me physically wince

[serene sage]

my guy the solution is just taking Gunner Res on your CURIOS
you can take whatever talent you want
stop coping so hard

[languid escarp]

Lmao it’s basically sorta broken with revolver and ass with anything else

[thick pike]

Could someone help me understand ranged finnese for marksmanship focus? Is 1% ranged finnese equal to 1% extra damage on weakspot and crit hits?

[barren fulcrum]

guys clearly there are no bugs, no issues with elite enemies, no talent tree mistakes, all of this is intended and if you're going to speak your mind about it you're obviously just bad

[south vessel]

all muh favourite nodes are spread out now, and lots are nerfed. +keystones, -power

[zealous wyvern]

you equate statements with "its easy youre bad" that are not at all that

that is on you

[hybrid token]

how is it a problem when the game is still to easy even when theres more enemies

[dapper spear]

the game should be fun, having to lock yourself into specific curios to counter a director spawning way more of them than it should is not fun, having to use builds which make use of bugs (which is what i mean by broken) to counter them is not fun

[hybrid token]

there should be EVEN MORE

[zealous wyvern]

the few who do say that are annoying shitposters or delusional bad people

[idle dirge]

Dunno exactly, but if you inspect a weapon that has finesse you should be able to view how it’ll effect damage

[zealous wyvern]

either way, ignore them

[dapper vessel]

hand cannon bug is fixed

[candid sierra]

Ahh yes lets make it so you have to basically god-roll curios now when they're purely rng from store, no?

[terse idol]

Its no secret that gunner/sniper res curios were really good last patch like you would take them before too, if the AI director is broken and spawning too many gunners, then gunner curious is definetly on the menu still

[dapper vessel]

and most weapons and its blessings are working as intended

[barren hamlet]

only part of carnival that i can see folk having problems with is the ending and thats only because they dont know the trick to a ez hold out is falling back and camping next to the airlock

[serene sage]

it's curios my man, please don't act like you spend more than 5s thinking about them

[dapper spear]

its just the instant response from half of these people who are just trying to show off and not even acknowledging there might be an issue with it

[zealous wyvern]

having 2 out of 4 things good is not that hard to get

[serene sage]

not really you can change 2 of them, i literally just grab random ones I have and slap 20% gunner res on them

[dapper spear]

^

[terse idol]

Wait wait no, gunner curious were good last patch too because gunners were still dangerous on high diff

[karmic musk]

I camped near the closeable gate for one and in the stands for another

The gate was easier

[wanton dawn]

When ppl stopped using gunner curios ?

[zealous wyvern]

you dont need to godroll. you need to get 2 good ones

[true bramble]

How do i remove double tap marking in options?

[dapper spear]

dangerous yes now they are dangerous and there are 10x more of them

[noble onyx]

I've never even felt like gunner resist curios are necessary

[terse idol]

You upgrade to get gunner res, you don't buy into gunner res curios

🥹

[zealous wyvern]

that is very different from what you accuse them off

i think you are overreacting

[karmic musk]

Never needed them on Vet but on Ogryn yeap

[dapper spear]

sure ok ill believe you, so what about the slowdown you get on getting shot that just nerfs your defense to the ground

what curio counters that

[barren fulcrum]

me when i take 20% less damage from gunners and kill them all (there's unfortunately 300 gunners for me to resist and therefore it doesnt work)

[dapper spear]

please tell me

[atomic zephyr]

marksman's does not recharge fast enough

[gusty bison]

I will say they feel more valuable now

[near shore]

What y'all think about the new keystone

[hybrid token]

god rolling trinkets is literally the easiest thing in the game since you can change 2 stats

[dapper spear]

scroll up

[gusty bison]

Dunno about necessary but the new director is on some drugs

[dapper spear]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[zealous wyvern]

the gunner damage one helps with it because you take less damage during the slowed movement

[noble onyx]

That is true, yeah

[terse idol]

A base 79 mod curio isn't that hard or like 76~ to get max toughness

What the hell are you talking about

[calm vine]

Focus fire shouldnt replace default tag ability

[barren fulcrum]

dude now when im slowed i can be stun locked and take -20% damage LETS GO

[zealous wyvern]

there may not be one to reduce the slow but you can reduce the damage taken from that slows consequences

[mellow bridge]

Gunners seem to be bugged..you could be hitting one in the face and they still fire at you

[pulsar radish]

Middle tree and right tree keystones are good to mid

[dapper spear]

ok sure but you do realise no matter what curios you take the slowdown will get you killed when you are being shot from 3 different places and surrounded by hordes and flak

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[terse idol]

You do not RNG to get a gunner res curio

You upgrade

[dapper spear]

i just dont get how people are so eager to defend this obviously overtuned director atm

[pulsar radish]

Left side is down bad

[serene sage]

have you tried better positioning?

[karmic musk]

They have no melee weapon so they keep firing unless you are super super close

[zealous wyvern]

IF that happens then yes you are in deep trouble

[terse idol]

You could get 3 curious with fairly shitty mods

[candid sierra]

Not the point bro.

[dapper spear]

hard = good spam of 1 enemy type = bad

[karmic musk]

Found that out the hard way on Zealot

[barren fulcrum]

lets not mention for some reason you can smack a ranged enemy in the face and they will just turn around and shoot you

[terse idol]

And still have max gunner res curio

Bro

[near shore]

Been using the mid keystone,it seems alright but a bit weak

[zealous wyvern]

i never said the director was not over tuned

[calm vine]

Because the game became too easy with the last patch

[terse idol]

You don't god roll gunner res

[zealous wyvern]

i was just explaining that it is not hard to get gunner res on your curio

[slow spade]

On one hand, people have been saying the game has been too easy.

On the other, I want fucking easy plasteel

[dusk osprey]

Director makes things fun

[dapper spear]

show me a video then you are clearly so good at the game and can prove me wrong

[karmic musk]

What do you mean have you seen your fellow Vets?

[wanton dawn]

Middle tree needs to pick born leader. This tree is literally rotten to the root

[dapper spear]

shouldnt be hard if youre completing so many no problem

[slow spade]

Brb 5 minute auric maelstroms

[pulsar radish]

Sadly it's the better end of what we get.

[near shore]

Born leader isn't bad persay

[barren fulcrum]

so true actually, but i shouldnt be SHOTGUNNED to the face after bonking a dude in the head like, unless im missing something here

[wanton dawn]

It is a mandatory piece of taxing crap

[dapper spear]

otherwise you are literally providing 0 input on the thing im talking about and just trying to flex and its embarassing to read

[junior comet]

Is "Exhilarating takedown" still bugged? Didnt see it being adressed in the latest patchnotes.

[near shore]

Ya left side seemed...meh. Especially on this new map,non stop movement

[serene sage]

what are the requirements? diff level? map? just so you don't move the goal post
I can try posting one tonight

[candid sierra]

Yes

[smoky lark]

Born leader is absolute garbage

[slow spade]

??? Of course it is lmao

[pulsar radish]

Left side is garbo.

[near shore]

I suppose I understand, although I don't mind since I enjoy playing support

[dapper spear]

sure, since youre so confident, do auric damnation on the new map

[atomic zephyr]

left side is not good on the new map

[junior comet]

I dont understand your answer.

[dapper spear]

im open minded

[junior comet]

Thanks

[serene sage]

and just... win?

is that the only requirement?

[pulsar radish]

They are going to add a long last next patch and laugh at us lmao

[dapper spear]

dont get carried by teammates

if its so easy

[pulsar radish]

"Use this scope and suck it up"

[dapper spear]

you should be able to do it with bots

right

[slow spade]

Expecting Fatshark to bugfix an issue that's been around for weeks smh 😔

[calm vine]

I agree, though its the only way to get the 6 sec cooldown on kill

[near shore]

Yep,I think it should be
Headshots give stacking weaknesses buff, stability and reload speed. Resets upon reload or timer

[karmic musk]

They bugfixed Stun Immune tinkerer tho

[timber raven]

no its obviously impossible because gunners are too strong 😭😭😭😭

[serene sage]

haha the goal post is already moved. but ill try

[atomic zephyr]

maybe its because my first try of the new map was with two stealth vets so enemies kept aggroing on me, but i felt like i kept getting taken by surprise with marksmans and i couldnt keep up

[dapper spear]

youre so good obviously it wont be a problem because its just 'positioning' and 'shooting the gunners'

[slow spade]

But that one was fun

[pulsar radish]

Also shocktrooper is bugged on the mk6 recons lol

[delicate kindle]

Damn yeah reloading by just qquick swapping to revolver and back to melee to kill one guy to reload your gun passively is pretty hilarious

[slow spade]

A major difference

[serene sage]

ill show a scoreboard, I dont want to waste time with people like you posting a full video

[karmic musk]

I mean that's what I did? Pew pew they ded

ez

[dapper spear]

lol dude it shouldnt matter you were the one who was so confident youd be fine

[atomic zephyr]

honestly just shoot in the direction of the gunners, you'll suppress them

its not that hard

[crude wind]

what';s the challenge?

[slow spade]

At this point, this should be pinned for Vets

[barren fulcrum]

i was just spreading your infinite wisdom

[timber raven]

yeah I was joking lol

[dapper spear]

unless youre just pussying out because i gave you a challenge you quite literally said you did 3/4 of already

[wanton dawn]

Playing support ≠ taking crap. Born leader being a waste of point has been discussed at lenght since patch 13

[serene sage]

ill do it lol

[crude wind]

i'll join

[serene sage]

auric damnation new map bots only

[dapper spear]

cant wait ping me when you got the video up

[crude wind]

oh

[idle dirge]

True

[crude wind]

bots only

[rocky stratus]

new infiltrate build made

[slow spade]

To be fair Born Leader was an alright pick considering it leads to krak grenades

[serene sage]

not gonna bother posting video for ppl like you

you get a scoreboard

that's it

[barren fulcrum]

tombstone i have a great idea for you bro, are you struggling with unholy amounts of gunner spawns?

[slow spade]

But now that it doesn't...

[dapper spear]

and abusing a bugged build will diminish any kind of achievement you have just keep that in mind

considering they will likely be patched out

[atomic zephyr]

what build is bugged??

[serene sage]

dude is coping so hard

[dapper spear]

LOL

[crude wind]

none of them atm

[near shore]

What would you suggest it do then? 25% instead of 15% and increased Regen for those in aura by 50%?

[serene sage]

it's funny

[slow spade]

Where should the goalpost be?

[karmic musk]

Damn this sounds like NInja's tweet LUL

[wanton dawn]

? Are we talking about same tree ?

[dusk idol]

collecting psychological disorders like they're infinity stones

[dapper vessel]

wait are we doing a solo competition

[dapper spear]

youre so confident and then you just remove the part where you have to actually show what you did

[timber raven]

omfg "please play exactly my way and upload and entire video or else youre wrong and im right"

[dapper spear]

hilarious

[dapper spear]

he asked

whats your point

[slow spade]

Is it not the "+11 toughness resist per ally in coherency"?

[wanton dawn]

NO

[karmic musk]

Truly Darktide brings out the grimderps among us, Fatshark design is supreme

[serene sage]

dude went from
im open minded just win on new map auric damnation to
only bots to
don't use bugged builds (which there is none)

[crude wind]

whats your point

[slow spade]

Ah

[crude wind]

like what are you trying to achieve here?

[candid sierra]

if exhil wasnt bugged

[slow spade]

Ah my bad then. Misremembered name

[calm vine]

Born leader is the onw where allies in coherency earn 15% of any toughness you regen

[dapper spear]

very simple, director is spawning too many ranged/gunners

[dapper vessel]

thats intended

[sharp epoch]

they split ogryn hunter and superiority complex???

[serene sage]

basically yeah.

[crude wind]

that's nothing new it's been doing that since patch 13

[slow spade]

Oh yeah that one is shit lmao

[crude wind]

on Carnival? how is it bugged?

[dapper spear]

^^^^^^^^ the carnival map at the very least is the absolute peak of the problem

i havent tried every other map yet

[calm vine]

We are forced to take it since it leades to the 6 sec cd on kill

[umbral scaffold]

got me a question, is this powersword any good after recent rebalancing?
I got it when the game was fresh out and it was okay back then, is it now?
Im playing for more or less a makrsman build.

[serene sage]

based on the conversation, he really meant the build

[slow spade]

Clearly just skill issue moment but its funny