veteran-class

[wraith sierra]

Curious, does anyone have a good build recommendation for the columbus Autogun with the new tree? I've been wanting to bust out my vet since I've been doing Ogryn pretty stricly since launch

[untold mulch]

Walking should be allowed

you still lose stacks dodging

[slow spade]

I mean its not high enough

[slow spade]

I think it'd be too strong if it allowed wlaking but if they lowered the finesse stacking it'd be fine

[idle dirge]

Technically it is. It slowly drains stacks, you don't just lose them all upon moving

[gaunt hinge]

in volley?

[slow spade]

Oh shit good to know

I'll have to consider it

[civic venture]

Yeah walking while ADS should be allowed... why is this so awkward to use. This game encourages you to always move never stand still.

[dapper vessel]

Its decent and supercharge isnt too bad

[untold mulch]

Any time you get enemies on top of you, you are gonna lose it

At least my experience if you guys can make it work, kudos to you

I can't

[opal root]

i really like the idea of focus target, i just wish it wasn't tied to pings. i ping everything :\

[untold mulch]

Too much micromanaging

[slow spade]

Oh its pretty generous too

[sharp hinge]

yes

its dealing absolutely insane damage

[hybrid token]

BTW, if you have this at 8 stacks, and you refresh it, it will STILL HAVE 8 stacks even if your second tag was only 1 stack, it is basically a PERMANENT 12% DAMAGE to your whole team

[celest vine]

Just take the tag enemies one

[untold mulch]

Paying 5+ points to micromanage my movement is a bruh

[grim dawn]

hit them as they drop ?

[sharp hinge]

i think i have the maximum amount of damage possible from a single vet using a plasmagun

[celest vine]

Its overall the most useful

[sharp hinge]

against crushers

[untold mulch]

I mean at melee range and such

[forest maple]

huh?

[dusky flare]

does this work with the toughness replenish?

[untold mulch]

eh, true htat

[grim dawn]

thats what i mean `?

[ruby totem]

I mean 3600 is the max against crushers

Iirc

[celest vine]

I like the idea of marksman, but god not even strafing is going to suck

[hybrid token]

no thats not a buff

[celest vine]

You know vets will stand still

[untold mulch]

Its WAY too restrictive

[tall torrent]

This is excellent

[forest scaffold]

[slow spade]

If I understand you correctly, if you get 8 stacks -> then mark and kill target -> then mark and kill again

The 8 stack buff will refresh?

[hybrid token]

yes

[celest vine]

It should have had a modifier to allow walking and dodging unrestricted

Maybe just walking

[civic venture]

yeah it's TOO restrictive. and way too many points to invest into situational keystones.

[serene bough]

pls stop

what is this

[sharp hinge]

Im dealing so much damage that theres no reason for me to use charged attacks anymore

[hybrid token]

it will stay at 8 stacks no matter what stacks the second mark was

[grim dawn]

a blade ? 💀

[slow spade]

Nice to know c: thanks for testing

[sharp hinge]

3000 damage per uncharged shot

this is carzy

[sand oracle]

@forest scaffold Ready for whenever you are.

[south garnet]

Build?

[edgy condor]

I just read the part 1 patch notes, but did not see any mention of Exhilarating Takedown being bugged to make you take more damage instead of less. They know about that major bug, did they really just not address it at all?

[gusty bison]

Just got literally a dozen gunners on that new map at the last part

[smoky frost]

Anyone having tactical awareness straight up just not work?

[gusty bison]

It was... an expetience

[sharp hinge]

I already showed it lol

[fleet garden]

standard fatshark reasoning

[south garnet]

Ah

[fleet garden]

just fix that bug

[untold mulch]

Exactly, you are paying 4-5+ points in a shitty tree for a situational keystone unless you are a god tier headshotter

[hybrid token]

consecutive marks will also stack this up, it doesnt have to be one mark

[frank ledge]

mark macro

[hybrid token]

if you mark 1 enemy with 2 stacks and another with 2 stacks

[celest vine]

Trying to make up for resupply allies being broken

[hybrid token]

then it will refresh to 4

[gusty bison]

They were 50m away

50

[hybrid token]

its literally just 12% damage to your whole team permanently

[sharp hinge]

I did it

[celest vine]

So they weren’t accurate

[sharp hinge]

One Shot

[smoky lark]

I tested this actually, are you sure about that? I tried putting 4 marks on an ogryn, then 4 more marks, and the damage didnt change from 4 stacks

[sharp hinge]

one kill

crusher

[celest vine]

Even better

[sharp hinge]

no charged shots

this is just out of this world

[gusty bison]

No. But there were 12 of them

[daring peak]

kill tha-
bo-
RAG-
HOU-
Tra-
Tox-

[hybrid token]

this node not the mark damage

the side node

[daring peak]

this has been discussed yes

[hybrid token]

and yes ive tested it

[gusty bison]

Ngl I feel like the ai director went back to shitting out ranged enemies

Like

Holy shit

[drifting oak]

this, holy shit

[gusty bison]

There was so much ranged

[drifting oak]

Like twenty times we would get a back spawn

[edgy condor]

I’m at work so I can’t myself until later today, but can anyone test to see if Exhilarating Takedown talent is still bugged or not? Wondering if maybe they just didn’t put it in patch notes

[drifting oak]

Me: "it's just poxwalkers"

mfw it's not poxwalkers

it's an entier dreg shooter squad complete with 8 shotguns

[hybrid token]

also being able to use the mark damage to 1 shot ogryns and muties

[gusty bison]

Ya its actually... wtf niw

[civic venture]

yeah I am legit trying to make this work, but it goes against many of the game's combat flow where standing still is usually a death sentence on Damnation+. Walking while ADS should be allowed or at least part of Camouflage modifier. Or how about remove Low Profile and give it to Camouflage modifier instead...

[hybrid token]

honestly i think the marking node is cracked

[drifting oak]

it's usable

Having played with the right keystone though

[fleet garden]

its mid at best, if you play with good ppl then it is horrible

[drifting oak]

it is very good at letting you cosplay zealot

[hybrid token]

meleeing is cringe

[drifting oak]

and the unique thing is you can play zealot-with-a-plasma-gun

[hybrid token]

plasma go vwoop

[untold mulch]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, it's a horde except it's filled with ppl with guns

[hybrid token]

melee tree is for braced gun

[fathom wedge]

Wait do mark stacks not get lost on marking someone

[hybrid token]

so i can DAKKA

[untold mulch]

Also laspistol

you get silly crit

[drifting oak]

i was using it just fine with an infantry las

[hybrid token]

the stacks of the team wide damage node not the mark stacks

[drifting oak]

don't try to use it with a bolter or helbore though

[celest vine]

Its good for me as an exe stance user

[smoky lark]

You're right, keeping redirect fire at max stacks is actually easy peasy, even if I spam the ever living hell out of tag

[celest vine]

More guys to get resupply allies done

[torn gorge]

melee capstone is so good

actually

[fleet garden]

I go left node till they buff vet, range life

[drifting oak]

so basically, once you have an 8-stack of the team-damage buff

[crude wind]

this is why the middle keystone is the most applicable

you can keep that buff up infinitely

[smoky lark]

finally some good news

[drifting oak]

as long as you kill a tagable every 10 seconds, it doesn't matter how many stacks you put on that taggable, you refresh the 10 second buff on the 8-stack buff?

[crude wind]

even if the next pinged target you kill isn't 8 stacks

[smoky lark]

i hope its intended

[crude wind]

yes

[drifting oak]

that makes it distinctly better than imagined, yeah

[delicate kindle]

Anyone else feel like they need just one more skill point away from making infiltrate build not shit?

[civic venture]

Also good to know that the 2/3 Aura still kind of suck lol

[hybrid token]

yes

[crude wind]

Infiltrate is suffering because infiltrate and melee tree are shit together

[hearty panther]

smh cant believe theyd indirectly buff the kickback like this

[smoky lark]

it is only a 12% damage buff however, but I ll take it over all the bunch of other nothing we got.

[crude wind]

Infiltrate and ping tree though

very good

[mystic belfry]

Impossible task

[slow spade]

A team-wide 12% buff

[crude wind]

plus whatever you ping for next

[hybrid token]

only 12% lmao

[slow spade]

Also the ling target

[true bramble]

fuck that selfish build go shout like everyone else

[crude wind]

12+ 8/12% is usually more accurate

[smoky lark]

yeah yeah I realize it is decent.

[hybrid river]

• the base damage bonus from the keystone

[weak grail]

Damn these numbers are insane, I miss the old numbers

[fleet garden]

fuck shout

[true bramble]

the tagging one doesnt seem bad it has a really short cd

[hybrid token]

yeah the mark damage itself is sick for vaporising bosses and muties

[slow spade]

I wonder if it makes any breakpoints with plasma now that a lot of its damage stuff got nerfed or hard to reach

[hybrid token]

i can 1 shot muties lol

[true bramble]

fuck your selfish ass

[crude wind]

all 3 of these keystones are good

[fleet garden]

🧢

[drifting oak]

It's 12% teamwide + an additional 32% (!) against bosses, and also the odd mutie

[crude wind]

don't call people selfish because you don't understand how something works

there's no such thing as a selfish ability

only selfish players

[hybrid token]

also you restore toughness and stamina to your whole team whenever a mark dies

[brisk umbra]

random ass upgrade from green kek, what to change

[true bramble]

the infiltrate is compared to the shout

[drifting oak]

(against most other taggables the tag damage buff won't meaningfully affect breakpoints?)

[delicate kindle]

I've been having fun with shout build and it's obv still meta even after nerf, but I just wanna experiment, but I just don't see where the infiltrate build is supposed to shine other than maybe rushing gunners or clutching after you team wipes bc you didn't have shout lol

[drifting oak]

like if you tag a dog whoppido it'll go from dying in one melee headshot to one melee headshot

[devout maple]

Change the Mk from IV to VII

[true bramble]

fair enough

[drifting oak]

most things will still die in 1 headshot from slower firing weapons

[crude wind]

last game i used infiltrate i saved all 3 of my team members who pushed aggressively ahead and all died. I saved the entire run because of iniltrate. as that selfish? no. I used the ability in a way that was supportive of my team

[fleet garden]

the mark thing is average tbh, if you play with good ppl then it doesnt get its full popential out tbh, maybe on something super tanky

[crude wind]

there are no selfish abilities

[drifting oak]

it's basically just going to be muties, bulwarks, and crushers

[small wraith]

shout is barely nerfed, main value is lack of melee bleed through

[brisk umbra]

the fuck you on, the 4 is the good one with the Strikedown on H1

[crude wind]

only selfish players

[small wraith]

outrageously stronger than everything else still lol

[mystic belfry]

Let me ping teammate to increase their damage taken

[true bramble]

once , it helped you once, while the shout is constant isnta 100% tougness _ 50, on 30 sec or less cd

[slow spade]

Don't tempt fatshark

They'll fucking do it

[devout maple]

Mk I and VII are superior to Mk IV sad reality

[tiny summit]

Dunno if someone replied but still bugged. They are working on it

[willow badger]

What's the verdict on best keystone

[delicate kindle]

Lol if true

[mystic belfry]

Middle and right

[slow spade]

All 3, simultaneously

[celest vine]

Grenade regen should be in that middle section

[formal relic]

So for the weapon specialist keystone, what does it mean to gain 33% ranged crit chance 10 times? does it just cap out at 100%? or do you double crit?

[crude wind]

yep shout is good but that doesn't mean its the only thing I want to play and it doesn't mean i;m selfish for taking something else

[celest vine]

Its such a must have perk

[drifting oak]

left is only applicable to a few weapons in a few situations, it slaps in those situations but it is absolutely not generically good

[crude wind]

by that logic zealots are selfish if they don't take prayer, or ogryns if they don't take taunt

[autumn wave]

it probably is a typo for 3.3%

[maiden orbit]

Muties, ragers of both types, and even gunner in close range (without killzone/longshot damage buffs)
You get to one tap them with redirect fire and a few stacks of target focus

[tiny summit]

One of the community members said so in the forums, that's all I have

[willow badger]

What weapons? Helbore guessing?

[drifting oak]

mid is for owning bosses and occasionally a problem hp sponge

[drifting oak]

actually no, because helbore is already one-bodying things

[delicate kindle]

What the hell is up with all the passive dmg nerfs lol cmon fatshark

[slow spade]

I hear infiltrate doesn't break stealth if you underhand toss nades

[willow badger]

Hmm so like mg xii?

[crude wind]

that's true

unless

[drifting oak]

and a good helbore 3 build already one-head-crits reapers

[slow spade]

It could be pretty good with frags if that's true

[crude wind]

you hit something with the actual nade

then it breaks XD

[slow spade]

Ah ok

[crude wind]

so gotta aim carefully 😄

[drifting oak]

yeah the trick with infil grenades is missing the enemy with them

[slow spade]

I'll keep that in mind

[drifting oak]

ironically

[delicate kindle]

Fatshark took my two shot mk6 power sword push stab kill on crushers ree

[willow badger]

What noooo

For real?

[fleet garden]

so what is the melee wep now then

[tiny summit]

I don't like the hellbore 3 solely because of its slash with the bayonet over a stab

[crude wind]

got em 8-)

[dusky flare]

Zealots that don't take prayer can still run disruption and have goat clutch factor, and non-bullgryns just pump out damage on damage. The vet of old had nothing of value aside from shout.

[drifting oak]

the pushstab on power6 was frankly absurd

[fleet garden]

should I not waste my mats on mk6

[unkempt pawn]

I am deffo feeling the loss of Bring it Down+Superiority Complex

[willow badger]

I use hellbore 2 anyways

[slow spade]

I think you mean it needed a buff

[daring peak]

meanwhile in zealot chat some people are saying that apparently being able to ping enemies is too powerful and equal to wallhacks

[crude wind]

each class contributes to the team in different ways via different metrics. comparing each class directly like that is a logical fallacy

[drifting oak]

are we talking initial release or after first patch

[delicate kindle]

Mk6 power sword is still good and I think if you get an insanely bis roll with weakpoint blessing and perk you can still two shot crushers with push stab combo, it's still really close to the two shot for me but not quite

[smoky lark]

It seems the first stack regen for the spot is 2 stacks, not 1, so I think in average that probably means a 10% buff + the 12% redirect fire buff nearly all the time?

[drifting oak]

I would certainly not say "vet of old had nothing of value"

[fleet garden]

so its powercycler4 and?

[willow badger]

Whatcha running

[drifting oak]

which build

[fleet garden]

cuz I either play mg12 or some meme plasma

[crude wind]

Hidden buff: killing tagged enemy refunds one stack

[haughty wagon]

which of these rolls is more fixable and which should i baleet

[drifting oak]

i was having fun cosplaying a zealot

[crude wind]

pretty sure that's the case

[fleet garden]

how is new vet insane 🧢

[daring peak]

what did they do to ps6?

[drifting oak]

with right-keystone, but it really had me thinking "I could just be playing zealot"

[smoky lark]

No, I legit go from zero to 2 without killing anything

[delicate kindle]

Brutal momentum and weak point should do it I think, I would have to get BM to test though

[worthy pelican]

have you tried playing the new keystones?

[crude wind]

earlier this morning, this chat was saying Vet was shit

[calm shard]

yeah right keystone is genuinely very good

[crude wind]

now its saying Vet is OP

[drifting oak]

yeah, that is a pretty substantial advantage over zealot

[calm shard]

middle keystone is decent

[autumn wave]

does weakpoint perk stack additively with bm?

[calm shard]

left keystone S U C K S

[crude wind]

i guess people actually played the game eh?

[worthy pelican]

left keystone is also good

[hybrid token]

no one in this chat has any idea whats actually good ever

[crude wind]

it sure doesn't

[drifting oak]

when I'm playing my relic zealot and my magazine for my gun goes click bceause fuck me I've killed 4 shotgunners already

[worthy pelican]

not as universal unfortunately

[crude wind]

Left Keystone makes fast zappy guns MUCH more powerful

[drifting oak]

without getting a chance to reload

[crude wind]

Las pistol and IV/Ia love it

[calm shard]

left keystone is probably only useful on laspistol

[delicate kindle]

I mean power sword mk6 is still pretty goated

[vivid ridge]

i thought u cant 2 shot easily with vet tree rework my one used to but now u need to so far out of ur way to do it

[willow badger]

Oh shit recon resurrection?

[calm shard]

tried using it with Mk VII headhunter, VID recon, and Columnus MkV and it just doesn't have the uptime to be worth it

[smoky lark]

Think I might try this for plasma build then

[drifting oak]

oh shiz

does it round up for revolver

[daring peak]

oh god thats gonna slap so hard with revolver

[drifting oak]

so 1 kill = 1 bullet

[calm shard]

yeah I used right keystone with revolve the guaranteed crit means you just whip it out and one shot something

[hybrid token]

taking krak grenade with plasma

[calm shard]

and never have to reload

[dusky flare]

Yes, thanks for reiterating my exact point! Zealots and ogryns can contribute in many different ways. Vet has the least diversity in terms of it's contribution. It's shout, and then a small damage boost, and then stealth which is nothing at all.

[drifting oak]

okay that's hot stuff

[untold mulch]

Imo, laspistol you get more with melee vet

Because you swing a few enemies and bam take all the crit

[drifting oak]

completely skipping revolver reloads in mixed melee+ranged play is sick

[autumn wave]

my first thought was recon might work really well with right tree

[willow badger]

Saltzpyre vibes ngl

[calm shard]

stealth is free revives and a free pass through all shooter engagements

[delicate kindle]

I'm gonna are test it when I get brutal momentum because I'm still really close to 2 shooting even after rework

[karmic musk]

lmao Chainsword with Trench Fighter Drill and Melee Specialist = im literal Kharne

[willow badger]

What talents js that with

[crude wind]

you're free to your opinion, but I don't agree with you at all

[celest vine]

Shooter patrols are the most fun I have

[drifting oak]

having to reload the revolver after shooting 5 shotgunners was why I never considered revolver truly clutch-tier the same way other people did

[celest vine]

[autumn wave]

mostly because you get mag regen on melee kills

[celest vine]

I like getting into gunfights with the traitors

[drifting oak]

"gee I killed 5 shotgunners and there's still the entire patrol of normal gunners and 3 shotgunners"

[serene sage]

End of an era

[hybrid token]

he said stealth being able to clutch doesnt count but then lists clutching as a strength of zealot, not making sense lol

[crude wind]

right hand tree is pretty much just revolver and agri shotgun tree now, makes me a bit sad

[drifting oak]

RIP "thy grenade be swift"

[celest vine]

Hey just view it as a way to get resupply allies done faster

💀

[glacial peak]

[mystic belfry]

Bounty hunter for days

[worthy pelican]

naw it works with a lot of weapons, shotgun for example

[queen fox]

does weapon specialist make surgical revolver obsolete?

i feel like it does

[languid dune]

How is building talents now on Vet? Not home right now but I'm hearing that thr new tree's a bit whack

[glacial peak]

if you want to shoot more than once its good

[dusky flare]

If that's your definition of contribution, then i guess... I'd rather my teammate kill and support while i'm alive than sneak and revive while i'm dead.

[crude wind]

it works with Agri shotgun, sure. Lawbringer hits like a fish, Kantrael is also not good

[serene sage]

No swap speed?

[hybrid token]

right tree is pretty funny with plasma gun since reloading 33% ammo is like 13 shots lmao

[midnight patrol]

Going to try Vet again

[glacial peak]

that 100% crit chance is only for one shot

[celest vine]

If they had 2 more talent points it would be perfectly fine

[drifting oak]

surgical revolver is still good for those funny times when you're waiting for a special to finish dropping so you can shoot it

which is more often than I'd care to admit

[celest vine]

Normal crit builds are still fine and going nowhere

[crude wind]

wait, so is it actually giving you 33% crit?

[drifting oak]

"we're not walking past this spot until the darn burster finishes falling down the hole"

[calm shard]

yeah my definition of contribution is in fact veteran being able to easily sneak up to those godawful lines of 6 gunners and just stab them all to death for free

[midnight patrol]

Going with Shout for that buffer when no Psykers clearing the ranged chaff

[calm shard]

and if they fuck up they have a 2nd cloak to disengage and try again

[fossil basin]

,

[celest vine]

Oh your a melee vet thats why gunners suck

[fossil basin]

I mean, Zealot has always been able to do that

[daring peak]

does the +crit only apply the first shot even though the buff lasts 5 seconds?

[fathom wedge]

Stealth talents completely break gunner AI.

They are in fact, good

But not shout good

[calm shard]

and veteran does it better because their stealth lasts almost 3 times as long and they get 2 of them

[daring peak]

zealot is better at it

[tall torrent]

The +33% ranged crit chance is a typo right?

[daring peak]

i would assume

[celest vine]

Or you can one hit headshot them that works too

Alot faster than running up to them with a knife

[slow spade]

Lmao no

[fossil basin]

Indeed. I'd rather keep going ranged with veteran than trying to make the class something it's not

[hybrid token]

why would i need to run into a gunner line, ill just shoot them before the zealot ever gets there lol

vet numba 1 foreva

[slow spade]

Because ammo expensive

Melee cheap

[glacial peak]

the crit is only for the first shot (which is a good thing because it would probably pretty broken to unload a full revolver mag with 5 handcannon crits would be kinda silly)

[hybrid token]

ammo is irrelevant

[hidden timber]

does darktide nuke your guy's cpu rn?

[celest vine]

Like veteran is the best ranged class I have no idea why people get mad when they make discount zealot builds

[idle dirge]

Can’t say it’s really better or worse, just different

[calm shard]

have you people never played hi STG damnation

[daring peak]

sad!

[hybrid token]

ammo is basically infinite in this game

[formal relic]

So like, is it even worth running literally anything else that boosts crit?

[dusky flare]

hp more expensive

[calm shard]

is that why y'all seem to be so willing to underestimate the gunner swarms

[slow spade]

Shock troopers is usually easier for Vets

[celest vine]

Absolutely

[fossil basin]

this is the true heresy. I see so many veterans running around pretending to be Zealots lol

[slow spade]

Because perma VoC

[daring peak]

if you want to crit more than once yes

[fossil basin]

I made a Veteran just to play the Hellbore and Plasma and I have to confirm: it fucks

[celest vine]

Go play zealot to melee, he has a charge ability to make it easier

[slow spade]

Imagine being shot

Couldn't be me

[daring peak]

because fatshark is giving us a discount zealot tree and going "look you can play melee as vet now" instead of giving us more shooty talents

[celest vine]

MG1A lasguns one hit gunners on damnation now

[rocky stratus]

what’s the new stuff like

[glacial peak]

melee vet is fun

[celest vine]

They always could

[dusky flare]

best ranged class for what? and better than gun ogryns at what?

[slow spade]

Because of Tactical Awareness + VoC, a lot of the "hard" modifiers actually make things easier for Vet

Shocktrooper gauntlet, pox hound waves?

Easy win

[celest vine]

Go play sniper gaulnet and see how good ogryn is at shooting

[half wigeon]

lmaoo

[daring peak]

i do love how vet feeds on the souls of specialists and elites

[rocky stratus]

melee vet is fun bc i feel more in danger than with zealot

[drifting oak]

(ripper 5 has entered the chat)

[serene sage]

Confirmed Kills died for our sins huh

[drifting oak]

also kickback exists

[serene sage]

Can't find it anywhere

[calm shard]

I think ogryn can one shot kill snipers even with a ripper gun using the fire talent...

[hybrid token]

i get outdamaged while playing vet maybe 1 mission in 50 lol

[drifting oak]

stubber is shit

[celest vine]

And lucius and infantry las exist too

[chilly cobalt]

new map is top tier level design

[slow spade]

Yeah it feels like other classes underestimate how much Tactical Awareness is fucking insane

[drifting oak]

ripper 5 or kickback is the way to go

[hybrid token]

yall just sound bad

[celest vine]

With 400x the mag size

[fossil basin]

I too enjoy dying needlessly brother

[chilly cobalt]

open space with million of scab gunners

[fathom wedge]

Also to whoever didn't give vet another middle node for the nades, try again.

[formal relic]

7 skills from the ability to the keystone. They're really making you work for these keystones

[hybrid token]

i so wanna take twinned blast just for meme

[slow spade]

I was honestly hoping for a grenade keystone

[vivid ridge]

i got bm x4 with +elites on perk with max finesse and dmg on stats, speced out whatever bonus melee i could get that wasnt on ability activation, and its u have to literally go all in, makes me sad

[celest vine]

Just cause ogryn can competently shoot doesnt make him best

[daring peak]

not just tac awareness. grenade regen talent, ammo regen. you can toss your 3 grenades (that you got passively) into a swarm and then get a fourth or if you're lucky fifth grenade to throw again from all the elites that just died

[fossil basin]

"Every grenade has a 25% chance of instakilling enemies in a 25m radius"

[slow spade]

I mean he does have the heavy stubber which helps

[languid dune]

Besides if you truly want ranged dominance, you'll use the bowling ball staff on Psyker

[celest vine]

After all vet has a literal wall hack ability

[daring peak]

same.

[slow spade]

That and shredder grenades combo with other teammates by giving bleed

[drifting oak]

there's something to be said for aiming in the completely vague and general direction of an enemy taggable and still one-hit-killing it

[hybrid token]

if you think any other class than veteran is the best ranged class then your aim is just awful

[dusty basalt]

Is there a list of the Nerfs in the Vet tree that came with the update?

[drifting oak]

kickback is cracked

[slow spade]

You're speaking the Emperor's Will

[celest vine]

On god, iron will should have been removed and made its own keystone

[drifting oak]

also killing literally every poxwalker in between you and it

[fathom wedge]

You don't even need to aim with plasma.

[celest vine]

And grenades another

[fathom wedge]

Well you do but not much

[fossil basin]

Aiming is cringe

[topaz lance]

This little fella must be having an existential crisis right now:

[fossil basin]

I aim with my faith in the Emperor alone

[languid dune]

Just shoot in the snipers general direction. Easy as nosh

[hybrid token]

i was so sure that node was gonna get removed

[slow spade]

To be fair, Vet doesn't have a flamethrower and there's canonical combi-bolters with flamers

[hybrid token]

since the new keystone does basically the samew

[slow spade]

I'm just saying Fatshark, I wouldn't say no UwU

[haughty wagon]

which of the axes are good for general use? there are too many i can't keep track of them

[drifting oak]

yes, but you can S T A C K them now

one is damage

the other, attack speed

[indigo tiger]

Rashad

[frank ledge]

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[drifting oak]

stacking both, multiplicative gainzzzzzzzzzzz

[rocky stratus]

idk if this i sarcasm but if this is
get good and you won’t die needlessly

[celest vine]

Veteran is for accurate shioting

[haughty wagon]

thanks

[rocky stratus]

i play infiltrate vet w auto pistol n knife, it’s really fun to use

accurate shiting?

[fossil basin]

you literally said "hey guys i enjoy playing melee vet because i feel more in danger" lol

[languid dune]

Sly marbles build

[celest vine]

Melee vet is very fun, but other classes do it better

[fossil fable]

Ye. Plasma is completely untouched, and is one of the most ridiculous ranged weapons in this game still

[fossil basin]

it's not about getting good, it's just what you said bro

[hybrid token]

sounds like a learn to dodge issue to me

[celest vine]

Ogryn shield bleeds

[rocky stratus]

yeah being in danger not dying

[serene bough]

melee vet is just as competent though

[fossil basin]

if you're not dying and you can dodge you're not in danger

[celest vine]

Yes

[fossil basin]

😎

[lament elm]

shout nerf

[serene bough]

people act as if holding laspistol at head height and spamming is less effective than playing fully ranged

[rocky stratus]

real tbh

[tall torrent]

Am thinking smth like this

[celest vine]

His shooting is clearly what hes meant to do

[slow spade]

To be fair, it lost one of its main damage combos (Superiority Complex + Ogryn talent)

[sharp ember]

god DAMN that finale objective

[serene bough]

laspistol is nuts actually, overtuned imo

[pallid sedge]

ong?

[upper dock]

So aside from the melee vet the was a straight nerf overall, yea

[rocky stratus]

oh what are the right tree sub nodes?

[daring peak]

It would probably be better than whatever the left keystone is that I already forgot it

[drifting oak]

laspistol suffers from decently sharp falloff, it's fine

[slow spade]

I agree

[hybrid token]

laspistols been nuts for ages, people just dont wanna use it coz thematically its cringe

[drifting oak]

Any time I get into a "dueling an entire shooter patrol but at 20+ meters" with laspistol I feel suffering

[weak grail]

Other than On Your Toes, the rest of this keystone kinda sucks imo

[drifting oak]

and wish I had my infantry las

[visual pendant]

That's what ghost is for

[daring peak]

What, how did they just remove those?

[visual pendant]

You just stand still and hit heads

[drifting oak]

get the reload talent

get a revolver

[serene sage]

I thought we would have swap speed

[drifting oak]

1 kill = 1 bullet loaded

[dusky flare]

At least vets are finally not liabilities in monstrous specials

[serene sage]

but I guess the technology isn't there yet

[drifting oak]

never, EVER sit through the revolver reload animation ever again

[hybrid token]

theyre in different trees now

[lament elm]

bruh

[daring peak]

:(

[slow spade]

Way higher point tax to get them now

[celest vine]

That would deadass solve so many build problems

Grenade regen should be right here in the talent tree

[lament elm]

they made vet even squishier

[serene bough]

idk if the other keystones are bad per se yet, but i don't feel like heavily investing points into anythign other than the commando one

[lament elm]

thanks fs

[daring peak]

It's plasmover

[weak grail]

Augh true but I'm using knife and braced autogun

[celest vine]

Jover

[drifting oak]

understandable, have a nice day

[half wigeon]

was wondering what can i do in the talent tree to play around the colomnus / mg 12

[lament elm]

I definitely want to be exploded into a million pieces when a poxwalker touch me

[weak grail]

It's a combo that hasn't let me down yet

[pallid sedge]

I think focus target is good for big boys

[untold mulch]

We can't have nice htings

[rocky stratus]

what are they

[lament elm]

I guess gloryhunter is less bad now

[hollow turtle]

FS said, "Git Guder"

[drifting oak]

focus target is extrmeely noticeable on monstrosities

[daring peak]

I wonder if not taking a keystone at all is still viable

[rocky stratus]

so what’s the new infiltrate vet build looking like

[idle dirge]

Probably

[celest vine]

Maybe substiute superiority complex and its bonus for two extra perks

[gray sun]

what exactly is "ranged finesse"

[untold mulch]

Weakspot and crit damage modifier

[celest vine]

Realistically it’s probably the better option

[daring peak]

Can you reapply it with more stacks on an already marked target?

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, you definitely gotta take at least +25 tuffness node now

[slow spade]

Crit and weakspot damage iirc

[daring peak]

:despair:

[celest vine]

These keystones are lackluster and to make them good sucks up too many points

[smoky lark]

The real value of focus target is in its secondary stone Redirect fire which is basically a 12% permanent damage buff to the whole team. Not sure if its working as intended but the buff stacks and refreshes with itself and is easier to maintain than it should be

[hybrid token]

superiority complex should always have been in the sharpshooter tree, absolutely bizarre that it was in squad leader

[surreal mountain]

Is Vet good now

[gray sun]

thanks

[shell ginkgo]

Dead

[civic venture]

yeah that would solve many of problems. Have Twin Blast replace the stockpile's old spot.

[noble onyx]

Just started the game and hell yeah, being able to more freely choose grenades.

[drifting oak]

eh, 12% to team isn't going to affect most 2-3 hit breakpoints

[fathom wedge]

Really should have made the tag keystone a passive buff like Witch Hunter Captain's.

[half wigeon]

is it for mg12 or comlomnus ?

[fathom wedge]

None of this ramp up shit

[celest vine]

12

[shell ginkgo]

Also man, that explosion nerf to monstrosities really hurt the bolter.

[drifting oak]

it's not going to make 2->1 and it's not going to affect most 3->2

[serene sage]

temporarily looking at this tree, im not sure if we should take keystones still haha

[surreal mountain]

What

[gusty sonnet]

good builds got worse, average builds got better

[half wigeon]

oh okay

tha,ks

[celest vine]

You can take superiority complex out and its extra thing to get 2 points

[surreal mountain]

Bruh

[idle dirge]

Gotta try things out for yourself imo

[shrewd dirge]

i have no idea what to do with the veteran now

[edgy condor]

After reading through forum replies to the patch notes, it seems the universal consensus is that fatshark has royally fucked over the veteran tree with too much talent tax and nerfed talents. Is this how everyone here is feeling too?

[celest vine]

Upgrade the keystone for damage and grt the 20% damage

[idle dirge]

A lot of it is better in practice than just by looking at it

[drifting oak]

no, forum wrariors don't play the game

[gray sun]

not in the slightest

[serene bough]

true

[brisk sapphire]

Always prepared let's you reload your revolver by killing hordes with QQ cancels so that's rad

[serene bough]

never trust forums

[half wigeon]

what do you mean ?

[idle dirge]

Nah

[daring peak]

Actually not a bad idea. Or better yet, make every one of the travel node sections into a single node like it is on grenade and have grenade Regen be the node after the grenades

[smoky lark]

No, but 12% + the initial 10% for a minstack spot makes it 22% at everything you spot every 2 seconds, which actually does sound nice to me

[surreal mountain]

I'm guessing this also makes krak grenades worse right

[fleet garden]

I feel like that. Way too many travel points for things that should be baked into the class by default

[drifting oak]

left tree is only useful on specific weapons against specific enemies, usually monstrosities but a few very specific weapons get their headshots-to-kill on various enemies affected

[worthy pelican]

ye

[shell ginkgo]

Bolter and krak, it feels.

[gusty sonnet]

the good stuff is even more spread out now, and bad stuff barely got touched

[fathom wedge]

Oh is inspecting players broken

[surreal mountain]

B r u h

[fathom wedge]

Or is a mod causing this

[sand oracle]

I haven't noticed it because the shout talent for vet turns bosses into mashed potatoes

[formal relic]

Seems to work for me

[celest vine]

If you want two extra points take the bottom two perks out of the left tree and spend them where you need

[daring peak]

Aw bolter not nerfed again? Monsters was the only place it actually was competitive vs plas imo

[drifting oak]

mid is a monstrosity melter and helps against the odd mutie, rager, or ogyrn

[celest vine]

I dont think superiority complex is needed that much

Not anymore anyway

[drifting oak]

right keystone is "NEVER HAVE TO RELOAD A REVOLVER EVER AGAIN: THE TREE"

[daring peak]

Wait how

[half wigeon]

okay thanks

[quaint valve]

Which one is this?

[drifting oak]

if you thought playing zealot was fun but being forced to reload your revolver was literally the cause of more wipes than you can count

[uncut acorn]

Anyone figure out a tree for Col IAG?

[pine snow]

VoC

[drifting oak]

now you can play melee vet

[sand oracle]

You don't see how 30% damage per person keystone is really powerful on bosses?

Also, the vet squad lead keystone tag lasts like a full minute

[edgy condor]

I also heard they removed the buff node giving VoC shout 100 extra toughness? Is that true? If so shout is gonna be shit, cause the other device option is trash with its drawbacks

[sand oracle]

Very good for specials that run and hide

[serene sage]

Actually my Bolter build with the new tree has more damage but less toughness

[celest vine]

Grenade regen is universally recognized as the must have perk, literals every build has it

[hybrid token]

you didnt say tag you said shout

[shell ginkgo]

Nerfed to 50.

[daring peak]

Til shout has a damage buff. I may be stupid

[drifting oak]

it got nerfed from 100->50 toughness overheal

[serene sage]

I guess I won't be taking keystones still

[celest vine]

Why not remove the tax to get it?

[sand oracle]

Oh, my bad. Misspoke

[celest vine]

Helps to make builds better

[quaint valve]

Oh the target keystone, thought you meant shout itself

[shell ginkgo]

FS hates Vet. More taxes until we dump the game into the harbor.

[hollow turtle]

I have my gripes with this update, but I kind of get the idea that they don't want us to multi-role and be able to kill everything by ourselves like we've always been doing.

[sand oracle]

Shout also has a damage buff if you go tag keystone

[edgy condor]

Fatshark just can’t let veteran be decent

[fleet garden]

remove travel nodes and vet is ok

[sand oracle]

The shout and tag make bosses take 50% more damage from everyone total

[timber phoenix]

Can anyone confirm if the infantry autoguns are reverted back to trash with the onslaught “””fix”””?

[daring peak]

I agree 100% l, I'm just saying put it after the special grenades it feels like a better spot

[untold mulch]

There is so much bloat in Vet tree

[sand oracle]

For 5 seconds, then 30% for like 50 seconds

[quaint valve]

It's just 50 instead of 100. Still full recharge so it's still good

[gusty sonnet]

No shout is gonna be fine. it was ridiculous pre-patch, capable of topping you off to +300 tuff alone

[celest vine]

Well regen normal frags helps with getting the long bomb penance

[lament elm]

damn

[celest vine]

[lament elm]

vet has so many stealth nerfs

[hybrid token]

wonder how much boss damage i can do with tag and twinned blast with a krak grenade

[rotund pasture]

Does the tag keystone only affect enemies YOU tag or all tagged enemies?

Like if my teammate tags the plague ogryn before I do am I just fucked out of my keystone?

[sand oracle]

Having played a high intensity five on the new match

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[sand oracle]

Squad lead vet feels better

[serene bough]

idk, I don't really notice a lot of these minor changes affecting how I played pre-patch

[idle dirge]

Probably doesn’t oneshot the boss so it’s garbage anyways

[brave egret]

i hope everyone is happy. I knew complaining about the veteran tree would lead to them fucking them up. The keystones are not worth all the bloat. I much rather have had the old tree. there was more diversity for builds

[sand oracle]

Lose a bit of survivability

[fleet garden]

well guess ill play my leftside mg12 vet for now then, tagging captone is nice on bosses but kinda meh overall since things die so fast

[untold mulch]

I heard you overwrite the tag?

[hollow turtle]

and no one has said anything about the new mourningstar music. 😔

[sand oracle]

But god damn the damage buff to squad lead

Is insane

[rotund pasture]

Ok that would be fine

[glacial peak]

do you need tinkerer to one shot crushers with kraks?

[rotund pasture]

No

[drifting oak]

i don't notice it in most situations tbh

[untold mulch]

No, to my knowledge

[half wigeon]

where did you spent them ? iam curious

[serene sage]

I will be running this Bolter build

[daring peak]

i just tossed on at the end of the archivum sycorax escape and got it without trying lmao

[hybrid token]

squad leader tag can overwrite normal tags

[serene bough]

I still have the same issue of not wanting to go for keystones bc its just better to accumulate damage perks throughout all the trees than it is to invest in one tree (sans the commando tree)

[untold mulch]

The monkey paw curls

[serene sage]

It's basically the same so I guess I won't complain

[glacial peak]

ig i can drop it now then

[timber phoenix]

Patch 14 finally made IAGs viable at high difficulties but the onslaught nerf sounds like it just made them worthless for anything but CC and lower level non flak enemies.

[hollow turtle]

Game essentially said, "git gud and stop relying on toughness. You're not an Ogryn."

[drifting oak]

Most situations I pace by "how long will it take us to clear this side of the horde" and the 12% just doesn't change the math at all

[sand oracle]

You don't notice how you can cut the TTK on most enemies in half at whim?

I can one shot muties with my power sword and tag

[celest vine]

Getting that 20% bonus damage at the start, and upgrading the keystone to have damage bonus

First perk on the left

[hybrid token]

i can 1 shot them with uncharged plasma gun lol

[hollow ibex]

so vet talent tree still fucked, and exhilirating takedown bug not fixed... guess i won't be playing much vet this patch lmao

[rotund pasture]

"git gud and stop relying on the game's mechanics"

[sand oracle]

and taking all the keystone buffs, I give a lot to the team

[serene sage]

we are running into the same problem where the last node is too far to get haha
my prediction is that 50% of vets won't take keystones anyway

[sand oracle]

I mean if you use plasma, you should stick to the left side tree tbh

[drifting oak]

no, because most of the things are 1, 2, or 3 hit, and that number doesn't go down with the 12%
muties and monstrosities are basically it

[sand oracle]

I take power sword because I don't need ammo

[serene bough]

yeah the final stretch of the tree is far too narrow

[hollow turtle]

Or you know.. Start relying on the dodge mechanic. 😅

[orchid nova]

Okay

[half wigeon]

you took redirect fire ?

[sharp epoch]

apparently it takes vet 20 points to get to keystone directly

[orchid nova]

One thought

[hybrid token]

ive played nothing but plasma gun and power sword for over 1000 hours lol

[quaint valve]

So same as before basically

[karmic musk]

Yeap after taking Marksman Focus with laspistol, I don't think I'm taking this node ever again

[orchid nova]

Does Plasma Gun just not work for right hand tree

[sharp epoch]

while psykwr is 17 and zealot/ogryn is 18

[orchid nova]

and barely for left?

[rotund pasture]

Two things can be true

[celest vine]

Yes

[orchid nova]

I mean

[karmic musk]

Completely incompatible with my playstyle

[drifting oak]

plasma gun is sick with right tree, the fuck are people on

[slow spade]

Bad build, chain axe with graia is the best

Sponsored by Nurgle

[half wigeon]

okay thanks

[celest vine]

Its pretty good to get a flat damage buff

[hollow turtle]

So I heard we don't need grenade tinkerer anymore?

Why is that?

[sharp epoch]

they bug fixed it

[slow spade]

Bug got fixed

[orchid nova]

not work for left (not a weakspot weapon) and barely for right (good luck swapping to it and back so often)

[sharp epoch]

no stun immunity

[celest vine]

Frag users dont need it

[slow spade]

It no longer gives stun immunity

[hollow turtle]

Lol oh

[celest vine]

[idle dirge]

It no longer has stun immunity. It’s still a nice talent though imo

[hybrid token]

it used to give you stun immunity for some reason

[daring peak]

i mean its good for frags

[serene sage]

yeah I was able to replicate my old build with more damage lmao
except i have to switch confirmed kills for exhi takedowns

[hollow turtle]

Perfect. Then I can free up the two points I need for marksman focus

[drifting oak]

THY GRENADE BE SWIFT

[fleet garden]

give us more talent points or remove bloat

[quaint valve]

What was the bug?

[slow spade]

Tbh it did feel nice as an Ogryn to see a Vet throw a shredder and I get max bleed stacks for a while

[celest vine]

The radius is good for more bleeds

[serene sage]

THY GRENADE BE SWIFT NO MORE

I am so sad

[slow spade]

Stun immunity

[hybrid river]

Grenade tinkerer is honestly just another bloat talent that should just be integrated

[slow spade]

"Fuck bombers"

[karmic musk]

Also I no longer trust Vets to hold the line

[rotund pasture]

Which new keystone is the leftmost one? The one that requires you to either take the broken talent that causes you to take extra damage OR the one that drains your stamina when you aim

[serene sage]

it's actually quite strong with frag

[formal relic]

is the special tag for the mid keystone visible to other players?

[karmic musk]

Cuz they too busy standing still FOCUSING

[gusty sonnet]

Is there a point in getting it still? Krak monstro dmg got nerfed and you already kill crushers without

[serene sage]

or crouch walk

xD

[hollow turtle]

Oi. Where did my 5% grenade regen go?

[drifting oak]

into low middle tree lmao

[gusty sonnet]

at bottom

[hybrid token]

those arent next to each other anymore you can go around them

[drifting oak]

it's not worth

[idle dirge]

There’s more to life than breakpoints

[karmic musk]

I tried to crouch walk, after 1 second I was thinking "wtf am I doing"

[slow spade]

Frag gets a radius buff so it makes it near guaranteed safe revive (if no specialist)

[noble onyx]

Bottom middle tree

[serene sage]

I can't wait for 10 reddit posts complaining about vets standing still or crouch walk the entire game

[rotund pasture]

Thank the Lord

[frosty oar]

any advice for bolter lover?

[fleet garden]

crabwalk

[wanton dawn]

After born leader

[fleet garden]

uninstall

[hybrid token]

its still bugged to make you take extra damage tho

[serene sage]

250+ hours on Bolter here, what do you need?

[daring peak]

my fix for vet tree would be to compress the travel nodes between abilities/auras/grenades down to just one node with 3 connections above and 6 below and then add a travel node between the keystones. its a good start at least

[hollow turtle]

Yikes, that's far. Lol, I'm good. It was just nice to have.

[gusty sonnet]

Oh yeah true, it helps with packs of crusher still

[karmic musk]

Its Tag or Weapon Spec all the way the left keynode doesnt exist for me

[sharp epoch]

Also anyone know what they did to trenchfighter?

[shell ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/spycrab-tf2-team-fortress-gif-4794774

[merry juniper]

whens that new free cosmetics bundle drop

[shell ginkgo]

New vet meta

[frosty oar]

new talent tree

[fleet garden]

exactly, too many shitty nodes that are 15 flat toughness or 5% max hp, remove those and you get 3-6 points

[shell ginkgo]

Play Space Marine 2 when it drops.

[spare wolf]

Did FS fix exhilarating takedown??

[drifting oak]

we need right keystone to let you quickdraw bolter

[karmic musk]

Inb4 its trash

[daring peak]

play warhammer 40k boltgun

[hollow turtle]

If you wonder where the other half of confirmed kill went, it's here.

[spare wolf]

Or you still takes extra dmg

[shell ginkgo]

This tbh.

[serene sage]

this is 90% the same as I am running patch 14 for Auric T5/Maelstrom

[shell ginkgo]

If you want a good bolter.

[wanton dawn]

My fix to vet tree would be to delete the idea of born leader from the collective memory

[daring peak]

im gonna try this out. what does a good bolter look like?

[gusty sonnet]

15 toughness is good but yeah

[upper bluff]

does anyone have a good plasma build?

[quaint valve]

What's the thought on the right side keystone? Seems pretty much an easy boost overall

[frosty oar]

thx i'll try that

[noble onyx]

I wonder why Grenadier is still on the right side of the tree when they seemingly have the power to put Twinned Blast in the middle..

[timber phoenix]

Anyone here use infantry auto?

[serene sage]

this but try to get flak damage instead of unyeilding

[karmic musk]

You aint Ogryn, let's not kid ourselves here

[drifting oak]

you have to give up a lot of decent non-keyestone nodes to reach it
however: revolver reloads on melee kill

[spare wolf]

Is exhilarating takedown fixed or nah?

[fleet garden]

its not

[tall torrent]

Exhilarating takedown still bugged

[spare wolf]

FFS

[sharp epoch]

"next patch"

😹

[wanton dawn]

No, too busy forcing us to take born leader

[noble onyx]

What?

[spare wolf]

Next patch better be fucking good

[quaint valve]

What's the biggest loss?

[fleet garden]

gamebreaking bugs fatshark sleeps 😴

[serene sage]

what's the bug? you still need to take long shot so bolter works unfortunately

[drifting oak]

just taking left or middle tree blue nodes, in general

[hybrid token]

,.it makes you take more damage not less

[serene sage]

and w/o exhi you don't have toughness regen

[drifting oak]

the opportunity cost is that you basically HAVE to cosplay a zealot instead of taking shooting-focused blue nodes

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[grizzled pebble]

Why the keystones are so far down the tree anyway it's hard to get to.

[quaint valve]

I got to keystone and still made it as far as the ability modifier in the middle tree

[sharp epoch]

can someone make a pic that has all the node changes

aam lost

[serene pagoda]

huh the spotting one is better than i expected

[drifting oak]

however, if you enjoy melee centric zealot-like gameplay, you have one major edge over zealot: neverneeding to pause to reload your revolver

which is SICK.

[fleet garden]

good on bosses, average overall imo

[timber phoenix]

Was it even worth pre patch 15 to get onslaught for the rending bonus

[serene sage]

gamelatern website is updated btw

[noble onyx]

"We wanted to give the Veteran the ability to branch out more"
Makes it so the 30 points we have are hardly enough to get to the bottom

[timber phoenix]

Can’t remember if i even took it

[celest vine]

To be honest, if you want to he a shooting vet you may be better off not even taking a keystone

[serene bough]

yeah and they're arguably not that great of a buff

[hollow turtle]

This is essentially my new stealth ranged vet tree.

[quaint valve]

Too many and too new. People still working it out

[drifting oak]

dying because "my revolver is empty after killing 5 taggables" was like my #1 cause of death on revolver zealot so I gave it up

i hated it

i hated it so much

[tall torrent]

this is cool

[grizzled pebble]

And trench fighter nerf.

RIP me 15% attack speed.

[serene sage]

Demo Team might work for everyone now

They changed the tooltip back

must be intentional

[serene bough]

idk, i dont think trench fighter is that noticable

[half wigeon]

why when i change difficulty to auric i crash ?

[serene bough]

especially with the commando keystone

[half wigeon]

anyonne know what can i do ?

[unborn swan]

It is not a picture, but this post should have most of the changes https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17v1okc/vet_stealth_nerfs_and_buffs_written_out/

[serene bough]

thats the only keystone worth grabbing in my opinion

[hollow turtle]

whacha smoking?

[drifting oak]

you notice it when you don't have it

[gusty bison]

Check ur drivers. Verify game files

[hollow turtle]

and can I have some

[tall torrent]

It’s still “you have a 5% chance to earn a grenade”

[serene bough]

I meant 10% vs 15%

[drifting oak]

people played Vermintide ofr thousands of hours, 10% attack speed matters a lot

[serene sage]

oh nvm im stupid

[drifting oak]

oh

[hybrid token]

but the keystone gives you 15% as well so you actually have 25% now

[drifting oak]

yeah the nerf is mostly w/e

[serene sage]

please ignore my demo team comment

[serene bough]

sorry for the confusion

[shell ginkgo]

YOU have a 5% chance to replenish the grenade.

[hollow turtle]

No no. You're pretty smart. I'm pretty stupid for letting you get my hopes up.

[gusty sonnet]

wasnt prepatch only when YOU killed the enemies?

[dusky flare]

trench fighter is the same as the zealot one now but it's 6 nodes down from the branch instead of 1

[unique crest]

anyone got a shovel roll that isnt garbage?

[upper bluff]

does anyone have a plasma gun build?

[hollow turtle]

Nah pre patch it was others too. Hence why I'd see it generate while they were doing the killing.

[hybrid token]

it still does that

[sharp ember]

lmfao juggling the revolver in between melee kills to load shells

[hollow turtle]

I know. I was answering a question. Lol.

[serene sage]

Does anyone know what distance Long Shot maxes out at?

[hybrid token]

like 28 metres or something

[vast wyvern]

what would you change?

[hollow turtle]

Keystones basically making us pick a specialty instead of being an all rounder class.

[unique crest]

both perks

[hollow turtle]

Those blessings are perfect. Just the perks

[idle dirge]

Isn’t that the point of keystones

[grave kayak]

Damn, why survivalist is still so expensive to take

[serene sage]

funny thing is, you still can, just with the travel nodes being deleted

[karmic musk]

Infiltrate Low Profile + Marksman Focus = Its time

[vast wyvern]

thats what im leaning towards, flak maniac prob

[serene bough]

maybe, but idk if the keystones are necessarily worth the investment

[lament elm]

I dunno, the left and middle keystone seems pretty bad

[subtle hornet]

Does any one manage to complete penace where you have to not take any melee damage?

[unique crest]

Yeah maniac on lasguns is so fucking good i 100% recommend

[serene bough]

I didnt try th emiddle one yet but with my lasgun build the left keystone was not really worth the extra effort

[quaint fern]

what distance is considered close damage?

[pine snow]

I did it pre patch but i ran voc and recon lasgun

[idle dirge]

Left is misjudged imo.
It doesn’t immediately take all your stacks when moving, it slowly drains them

[subtle hornet]

What is that?

[lament elm]

the middle is like what 2.5% damage per stack?

[midnight patrol]

Gawd, even in malice, people are getting downed pretty often

[karmic musk]

I moved so much I didnt get more than 3 stacks

[lament elm]

Like the buff from middle tree doesn't even look like it would change your TTK

[woeful trench]

are we happy? for my melee build

[hybrid token]

and if you actually hit things you lose no stacks, sounds like skill issues tbh

[midnight patrol]

What did they do with the AI director and that last map to make it this tough?

[languid escarp]

a pox burster just 2 for 1'd me and a teammate off the cliff 🥹

[subtle hornet]

3 crusher say - hello

[serene bough]

i dont mind the stacks decaying over time I just don't think the damage buff is better than just taking generic flat buffs to your damage

[idle dirge]

I haven’t played a match yet but I’ve heard there’s even more ranged enemies now

[pine snow]

Voice of command talent and recon lasgun since u could knock enemies back with voc and recon bc its full auto so good for panic fights

[vast wyvern]

If Marksmans focus had some stamina econ built in deadshot would be sooo much nicer

[lament elm]

None of the vet keystones buff feel powerful fr, and they nerfed the ability auras too

[karmic musk]

"Gain stacks while ADS"

[lament elm]

50% weakspot down to 20%, 20% team damage down to 10%

[subtle hornet]

We need talent or blessing called - Panic attack 😄

[serene bough]

currently with how I play I can still 1HKO common gunners with my las and 2-3 shot specialists like gunners or shotgunners, and the keystone doesnt make that any better

[hybrid token]

deadshot is pretty funny with the marking keystone since killing marked enemies restores stamina

[gusty sonnet]

there's stamina econ you can grab on the right side

[vast wyvern]

or gain stamina on weakspot hit/kill

[midnight patrol]

The last arena is a sniper and gunner's paradise

[lament elm]

New tree doesn't really feel better than old tree, in fact it might be worse thanks to all the nerfs

GG kill confirmed

[noble onyx]

Not a huge fan of the keystones but I think I'll give this a shot since I enjoyed the grenade spam build last patch.
But dear lord, they really make you invest those points. At least Voice of Command doesn't have its shit spread across 4 nodes.

[pine snow]

Me when im trying to clear out a horde from my clueless teammate’s backs and i hear another one coming

[serene bough]

its too early to tell, people need to play around and experiment with the changes

[subtle hornet]

Can you show you build for horde clear and gun.

[median radish]

anyone got a good commissar build with the new keystones yet?

[drifting oak]

Anyone who says right tree is useless hasn't played it with revolver yet

[hybrid token]

i think they just need to crush the last 3 arms of the tree down by like 2 nodes

[hollow turtle]

I'm seeing many toughness changes. Yes, some nerfs, but so many compensations for it.
"You wanted us to have the same toughness stuff we had before PLUS these sort of keystones? Are you asking for us to be more broken?"

[drifting oak]

Ho-lee jesus

[half wigeon]

u tested it ?

[lament elm]

every keystone makes you like a tiny bit more killier when that doesn't really matter and the big thing about vet is lack of durability

[midnight patrol]

Although I will say, when you get the marksman keystones in flow, semi autos now really one tap anything human sized to the head

[noble onyx]

Not yet

[serene sage]

I can say that my own build is actually packing more damage lmao
Less toughness though.

[serene bough]

thats my biggest gripe

the final trifurcate is too restrictive

[lament elm]

Like holy shit, what makes fs think single digit amount of damage% even matters as an entire keystone

[midnight patrol]

Marksman tree is still very very squish

[dusk idol]

I have run a few games on the new map

[slender jay]

who whatever made this update making the gas box of kriegs flats like this feel wrong

[dusk idol]

tried a couple different builds

[amber portal]

LAME grenade build got nerfed in the talent tree

[pine snow]

I dont have access to my pc rn, but i had it so that i had infinite grenades talent, krak nades, VoC and just a random profane recom lasgun i bought

[hollow turtle]

Oh look it finally returned.

[half wigeon]

oh okay , could you give us your verdict after the run?

[thick pike]

They should just do an aura for +20 damage on suppressed enemies lmao

[tiny summit]

At least with executioner stance I see myself not paying attention to that ogryn node. Seems like Vet got bloated with nodes

[dusk idol]

auric got a little harder and veteran feels even squishier than before

[delicate estuary]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a91079c-fa12-4388-9f28-522cb5e59cf9/main-vet-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Any suggestions where I could put the last point

[dusk idol]

espec if you don't take iron will

[hollow turtle]

does this work yet?

[midnight patrol]

VoC Vet squads can still survive somewha

[autumn wave]

doesn't that just make it copypasta of ogryn's

[tiny summit]

It's been working, save for ogryns

[lament elm]

Either way it doesn't look like the left or the middle tree really change your TTK, right keystone actually not bad because it does something other than give you an insiginificant damage boost

[hybrid token]

being node bloated is good as long as the nodes are side ways and not downways

[midnight patrol]

But Ex Stance heavy tree, you'll be a big liability

[unkempt lagoon]

Find your targets is definitely bugged btw, I completed it while not being in it LOL

other vets' exe stance kills might be contributing

[delicate kindle]

Can someone do a TLDR on why the Knife infilitrate build isn't trolling? Seriously what can this do better than the shout or exe build?

[lament elm]

Honestly I might do right keystone plasma because it actually feels like it does something

[unique crest]

how is knife invis build trolling what

its really fucking good

[dusk idol]

builds aren't the problem

[true bramble]

the tagging is also good for plasma

[hollow turtle]

I use knife invis build for the bleed and the speed. 😎

[zealous wyvern]

knfie vet just seems so bad compared to zealot

[dusk idol]

players are the problem

[true bramble]

tag and shoot

[amber portal]

so basically i need to change my tag from my lmb to a dedicated button now? lame

[delicate kindle]

Whats the main strengths of the knife infil vet build?

[lament elm]

Not really, it's a small damage buff that isn't worth all those skill points on a gun that already wrecks

[drifting oak]

knife invis is hardcore trolling if you int uselessly with it
the thing you have to do is get out of hte mindset you should ult and go deep "just because my ult is up"

going deep like that is the exception, not the norm

[unique crest]

Actual shit takes what is this

[hollow turtle]

I mean someone has to run up to the terminal to do the hack in the middle of 20 gunners and a horde without getting hurt.

[sharp ember]

does your tag go insane whenever you attack an elite patrol

[drifting oak]

the other thing is that knife is just kind of a bad weapon

[hollow turtle]

That zealot sure ain't going to do it.

[lament elm]

Being able to reload plasma without actually having to reload actually sounds decent

[dusk idol]

safe objectives, safe revives, stealth clutches and free grenade stagger

[barren hamlet]

vet seems like its in the weakest state it has ever been in tbh nerfs across the board, new keystones are situational at best and the class is still staved of talent points

[drifting oak]

infiltrate with a weapon that can actually horde clear, and not a fucking knife

[unique crest]

Factually wrong

[delicate kindle]

so if you're mainly playing with your team, which is fine, what do you bring to the table that the others already do or do better?

[hot canopy]

literal worst take

[drifting oak]

lmao

[amber portal]

not really? i usually can just kill what im looking at

[robust mirage]

magic pistol that always seems to have 1 bullet

[lament elm]

definitely feels worse than last patch

[drifting oak]

zealot chat agrees that knife is pissing into the wind, the vets disagree lmao

[hollow turtle]

situational or specialized

[zealous wyvern]

i tried knife once and did not perform at all

the lights deal no damage and the heavy is too slow

[hard wraith]

~80% crit chance plasma gun build

[delicate kindle]

I feel like the vet knife is just a wrose rapier lol

[drifting oak]

knife heavies are decent, but knife lights against melee horde are so fucking slow

[hollow turtle]

Knife isn't to stack up numbers.

[zealous wyvern]

any sword has the same result against most targets while being twice as fast

[drifting oak]

compared to anything with actual cleaves

[zealous wyvern]

i am not saying knives are bad

just that i did not find the use for them

[dusk idol]

knives are bad into hordes

hurts my hand

[tiny summit]

I feel like you're overreacting. Some nerfs in the tree are large but how does that actually play out in practice? Need to stop doom posting less than 24 hours into a patch

[drifting oak]

and here's the thing: when you infiltrate to go deep, it's not to kill one (1) problem special, because if it was just 1 special ou'd just shoot it

It's to tie up an entire squad of normal shooters

[dusk idol]

it's noticeable, you can feel that vet feels weaker

[drifting oak]

guess what knife is bad at speedclearing

a large number of trash mobs

[zealous wyvern]

i wish the stealth-exit attack actually did better damage. i tried backstabbing people out of stealth with my 524 rating knife and it did nothing

i was shocked

[autumn wave]

vet benefits quite well with repositioning for good sightlines and nade placement

[scenic bronze]

😉

[tiny summit]

I'm not gonna trust anyone's feelings on a patch less than 12 hours

[drifting oak]

yeah you're not shae

[lament elm]

the fact that you have to look at your buffs to even see if your keystone is active feels ass tbh

[hollow turtle]

Sorry, I asked the question earlier for the wrong modifier. Does this work yet?

[idle dirge]

I feel like I might switchback to devil’s claw for my ranger build, and keep power sword for the melee build

[delicate kindle]

the new skill tree is cringe trying to fit the ammo aura into a infil knife build reee

[steady cedar]

Is Exhilerating Takedown still bugged?

[idle dirge]

Supposed to, haven’t tested it

[dusk idol]

considering i had just been playing a match literally before patch dropped

[half wigeon]

still crashing when changing dificulty from normal to auric any fix ?

[autumn wave]

yea, someone in my party was running it earlier

[dusk idol]

and then right after into more matches on the new game

take it for what it is

[tiny summit]

Yes it's been working unless you're talking about if a bug sometimes happens

[serene bough]

on an unrelated note

[dusk idol]

new map**

[serene bough]

i adore the new map

[hollow turtle]

Great.

[serene bough]

it's absolutely my favorite

[autumn wave]

new maps are always good

[hard wraith]

I don't understand, are you saying you dislike having to make sure your keystone has stacks or that it has to stack in order to work?

[idle dirge]

I’m waiting for my friends to get online before I try the new map

[drifting oak]

if you were cherry picking blue nodes, the new arrangement of blue nodes and the nerfing of the best ones made your build worse

But now you can lean into either middle keystone or right keystone and get a super dank build

[half wigeon]

still crashing when changing dificulty from normal to auric any fix ?

[sleek perch]

Yellow Tagging skill is really fun 😄

[zealous wyvern]

he is saying it does not do enough to be noticeable without looking at the number

[lament elm]

I'm saying I dislike that they didn't even bother having any screen effects for the keystone being active, it's obviously very low effort compared to every other class keystones

[hard wraith]

Ah I see

[dusk idol]

i think focus targets has a screen effect

[sharp hinge]

So uh

Im killing everything in the training room on damnation before they can respawn with marksman's focus

the devs do realize

[dusk idol]

yellow fiery border when it's at full stacks

[tiny summit]

Yes. It was addressed by community staff on the forums that they are working on it

[sharp hinge]

that they broke the game again right?

[celest vine]

To be fair the keystones are kind of underwhelming

[autumn wave]

nah

banger tracks

[sharp hinge]

112.5% bonus finesse damage is underwhelming...

[celest vine]

And the fact I have to pump them full of upgrades to make them good

[drifting oak]

Knife would be fine if every pull was having to kill 8 elitte shotguns/gunners or 8 maulers

The problem is most pulls also have like 18+ normal trash mobs with them, and knife oneshotting each of these is nowhere near as good as a few claw or chainsword heavies killing htem

[dusk idol]

try use it in a game, you drop stacks very quickly

[drifting oak]

it seriously is

[sharp hinge]

Just dont move lol

u kill everything so so quickly

[dusk idol]

lmao

[serene sage]

honestly we back to completely ignoring keystones