veteran-class

[acoustic wyvern]

I hope its november

[placid portal]

Only way it will change if they need to postpone

[mystic belfry]

It gets released the day my zealot fails NNN

[placid portal]

Lmao

[mystic belfry]

Update is canceled unfortunately

[bold ibex]

if rev it up gave 2 secs of 20% attack speed it'd be pretty bomb D:

[mystic belfry]

But it lets you shmoove

[placid portal]

No point of attack speed bc 2 secs is the whole duration of chainsawing a mf

[edgy condor]

well part 1 is supposed to be in november, with part 2 releasing in december, but supposedly "before holidays". Given they probably want to take a holiday break themselves, I'd imagine that would place the december update in early december, making it seem odd if they waited until november 30th to release part 1.

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

Rev it Up should allow chainaxe to stick to allies and do 100% FF damage

[placid portal]

Fuck it diff 6 adds friendly fire

[edgy condor]

only if ogryn is allowed to pick up the shouty using said chain weapon and throw him as a grenade

[mystic belfry]

Ngl I kinda miss friendly fire

:\

it's a familiar pain

Where have though gone, Kerillian?

[bold ibex]

attack speed speeds up chainsawing

[placid portal]

Yea 2 secs to find and chain saw a guy

[bold ibex]

you can just weapon swap and use it again

for near 100% 20% speed boost

[acoustic wyvern]

Oh?

[mystic belfry]

Imagine a blessing that made the full animation take like -20% of the time to complete per level

[acoustic wyvern]

Does that work?

[serene sage]

what can one man do vs unrelenting hate, i can't carry these dudes

[placid portal]

Rip pal

[acoustic wyvern]

My only complain about the caxe is the heavy swings should be like the mk3 power sword heavy

[bold ibex]

i'd just take 20% and then use that for the thrust

[acoustic wyvern]

Maybe 1 across and the nezt overhead

[mystic belfry]

You know what the worst part of claw sword is

When the god damned boss refuses to attack you

So it's just heavy 1 spam

[umbral scaffold]

Ppl will say "ugh i hate havibg to carry" and post an egyptian tablet's worth of a picture of a scoreboard and im left to do the math as why a small gap of stats means anything really

[placid portal]

Usually I go overwatch to kill off enemy swarming us

[mystic belfry]

Sorry I live to kill bosses with non-boss killing setups

[serene sage]

just focus on the highes clump of yellow

you dont even need to read

[placid portal]

Fair point

[sharp ember]

scoreboard mod entries be like

[mystic belfry]

You ever solo'd a boss with a dagger

because it's dope

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-gif-23761134

[sharp ember]

"calories burnt"
"weapon cleaning quality"

[mystic belfry]

Nano-bots stand no chance against 100% rending backstab

[umbral scaffold]

"Amount of purr and meows"
"Energy drinks consumed"

[mystic belfry]

Going to have to detect 3 team points for farting in the elevator

[placid portal]

I only use scoreboard for me to say how much I suck

[sharp ember]

"typing words per minute"

[mystic belfry]

Have a reguler damnation run

Might have been shock troop, it was pretty busy, idk

[umbral scaffold]

Are you dorrock

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Aquillas ?

[placid portal]

Wot

[mystic belfry]

This scuffed garbage from me trying new things

[bold ibex]

laspistol is amazing

[mystic belfry]

That one isn't

[placid portal]

Laspistol is fun but prefer ye ol reliable lasgun

[umbral scaffold]

Sad i thought for a momment you were that dorrock in disguise

[umbral scaffold]

My apolocheese

[placid portal]

Oof

[mystic belfry]

it goes pew pew

[placid portal]

Fresh bought from melk?

[mystic belfry]

No random upgrade

litterally just random purple

[placid portal]

Lol

[mystic belfry]

Or blue maybe, idk

Like i said random garbage

The sword is better

[placid portal]

A beauty innit

[mystic belfry]

It's not bad tbh

Digging it

I'm not even going to show you the base damage of my knife

You'd cry

[placid portal]

Lol

I'd like to see you try

[placid portal]

Eh

[mystic belfry]

My zealot is better

[placid portal]

Could be worse

[mystic belfry]

Yeah it's usable

In reality, people sweat getting max or near max rolls too much

[placid portal]

Hmm yes i will max to get 3 more damage

[mystic belfry]

First target does also matter more than damage does

[placid portal]

True

Given knife has no cleave

[mystic belfry]

Like it matters way more tbh

[placid portal]

Agreed

[mystic belfry]

Dunno why people tortues themselves so much over rolls tbh

[placid portal]

Because they have 30 morbillion ordo dockets and melk bucks

Gotta spend em

[mystic belfry]

True, but I mostly mean people trying to find something to use at all

[placid portal]

Usually I spend a few 100ks to get a decent roll and go with it

[south garnet]

I just plan on 1 mil

[bold ibex]

okay well... I just killed a daemonhost 100% because of rev it up. Just revving up lets you outrun its flurry, run in, BONK, and repeat

[mystic belfry]

Chain rev meta

[south garnet]

host has no cardio

[placid portal]

Amazing

[south garnet]

skinnyfat demon

[bold ibex]

it's legit so much fun. Maybe not the BEST option... but if you play mostly wtih guns, i think it's probably the best secondary.

[mystic belfry]

I'm going to imagine you special attacking the floor to move faster, like pulling you along

And you can't stop me

[south garnet]

that sounds like more of a chaxe thing lol

[placid portal]

Thats such an anime thing xpp

[bold ibex]

no, you rev it up and ride the chainaxe like a surfboard/roomba

[placid portal]

Based

[mystic belfry]

Zooming tbh

New name, the shmoove axe

[south garnet]

cant decide if chaxe users are based or rtarded, I think it's actually both

[mystic belfry]

I'll get one and add it to my oddly specific move tech collection, along with teleport behind you combat dagger dodges

[south garnet]

I use one for fun and I'm bad but it's fun

[mystic belfry]

I've used one

Just not for zooming

[placid portal]

Chain axe just feels weird

[mystic belfry]

I wish it "stuck" on it's light attack for like half the time

Would feel way better

Doesn't evne need to attack faster, just unstick faster

[bold ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kRKmJyZXJE

Chainaxe isn't a great weapon but it's a lot of fun to get used to.

it's also not awful at mobbing with its charged m1s

[mystic belfry]

it doesn't matter if it's good

It matters how it feels and if it's fun

Anyone saying they need meta gear is either coping with bad skill or playing modded difficulties

[sterile stag]

Anyone here play on Xbox willing to lend a hand leveling a veteran

[bold ibex]

it takes getting used to. After about two missions it wasn't awkward anymore.

[bright charm]

For auto gun which is better fire frenzy vs death splitter?

[gaunt haven]

Oh that’s what you meant, sorry I misunderstood you m8. That question is probably better suited for #xbox-chat sorry for the misunderstanding

[mystic belfry]

Fire frenzy I believe

Death spitter will apply to cleave and long range damage ,but I doubt it will matter much

[bold ibex]

oemgee. Just yolo upgraded a chaxe.

[mystic belfry]

Mmh, yes. Blood for the golden throne

[bold ibex]

I think I'm gonna swap out the 100% crit skill with that and keep rev it up. Maybe. Idk. The problem with th 100% crit skill is it doesn't trigger if someone else kills the elite you're revving

which is pretty common

[mystic belfry]

On a side note, I've unironically been thinking about running stripped down on something

Ranged attack immunity for just sprinting over 50% stam

[bold ibex]

for a melee focused build that sounds amazing

[mystic belfry]

I wouldn't. The bleed only applies at the end of the full special attack

Less impactful than you would think

[bold ibex]

Ahh.... oof. If the chaxe bleed things and bleed skills applied at the start they'd actually be good

I guess my goal is to get thrust/rev it up maybe. And just activate and run in charging

[dusty ferry]

I finally got "Be Methodical" done
except executioner's stance was active for 1 and a half minute

[mystic belfry]

Imagine if that crit special was triggered just by a melee kill

[bold ibex]

...that'd be good. Make the next special attack get 100% crit after any melee kill

also got this rando bit. almost yeeted it 'cause the low stat total but...

it's really only the secondary stats taht are lacking

[mystic belfry]

Hmm...

[bold ibex]

well... stopping power isn't great but

[carmine solstice]

just learn that beast of nurgle eat cultist too

[bold ibex]

couldn't you run 3/3 stamina blessings and basically ahve 24/7 ranged attack immunity?

[mystic belfry]

You'd still have to manage stamina blessing, and you have to be sprinting

[mystic belfry]

It's worth noting that the alt fire is crazy good at apply stagger

[bold ibex]

only complicating thing is i also have this one already

does no respite's damage trigger on the pellets that cause them to stagger?

[mystic belfry]

I have no clue!

[placid portal]

I think they have to start staggering

[bold ibex]

Huhm. I guess deathspitter is probably better now then, huh?

[placid portal]

As pellets hit is one instance of damage

[mystic belfry]

The slug alt fire should easily trigger both

Slug then mag dump for the kill

[bold ibex]

Oh true.

[placid portal]

Slug would trigger max no respite and full bore

Then dump for 40% power

Hmmm

[gusty bison]

Assuming the target is still alive

[sharp ember]

No Respite was good when its (shotguns) damage was worse and you genuinely needed it to secure 2-shot kills, less important now

[placid portal]

Which are only reapers and crushers

[gusty bison]

And crushers the primary is worthless against

[placid portal]

Tru xpp

[sharp ember]

it's still good on kantrael fire shells though

because they stumble and burn harder during stagger

[placid portal]

Kantrael is a cool shotty

[brave verge]

carapace to maniac or flak

[placid portal]

Wait cadia makes chainswords?

[fading grove]

when you guys are trying to get a new blessing, do you upgrade trash to blue and then scrap if you don't get it? Or only upgrade passable weapon rolls?

[brave verge]

or damge to elites swapped out instead

[placid portal]

*what's left of it anyways

[bold ibex]

i'd leave it as carapace for now It's already in a good place. use it for a while and figure out what you wanna swap around

[bold ibex]

blue and scrap except powerswords

[bold ibex]

for powerswords you REALLY don't wanna get powercycle 4 on a lark and then have to sell it after.

cuz for them nothing else really matters.

[fading grove]

well i meant to receive the blessing, because then you can just add it to a decent roll yeah?

[tough snow]

is this usable as is or should i wait until i get more blessings

i havent played since release so ive got no blessings

[bold ibex]

is that the current belssings? I thought headhunter was buffed a lot.

But it should be fine to get you started.

[remote osprey]

Mk VId relies on rending meme build anyway so not sure blessings matter at all in this particular case.

[fading grove]

humble and inexperienced opinion: a lot of guys on here will call stuff unusable that's actually perfectly ok. Because they base everything off of perfect blessings/perks. You can get through the hardest missions with halfway decent stuff with the "wrong" blessings.

[junior grail]

Ppl still use recon?

[tough snow]

im not really sure what to do, i was using mediocre powersword/boltgun before and those dont seem to work in the same way they did

[gusty bison]

Its different now

They are strong but completely changed

Powersword is no longer heavy spam

[remote osprey]

Well, previously RNG loved us more so we saw what "good" weapon may be.

[junior grail]

Sniping boltgun is the way to go

[gusty bison]

And bolter is a precise crit fish build

[remote osprey]

What psword?

[gusty bison]

Bolter full auto is garbage now outside of bosses

[remote osprey]

Meh, real guardsmen use helbore.

[fading grove]

for mediocre, I think Plasma is the easiest gun to have that can see you through any mission IMO. It's pretty powerful and easy to use without crazy stuff

[gusty bison]

Bolter is nice if u dont wanna go for headshots all the time

[tough snow]

i dont know i scrapped them in a rage

[junior grail]

Real guardsmen use bayonet

[remote osprey]

So, helbore...

[gusty bison]

Cos a crit bodyshot on bolter is nuts.

And u can get 100 crit rate on them

[junior grail]

Bolter is nice if there is no Revvy player to steal the kills

[gusty bison]

But yea they are no longer the same playstyle

[gusty bison]

Thats what barrels are for

[tough snow]

this was the bolbgun i was using

[junior grail]

Isn't that what Josho is for?

[bold ibex]

I adore my boltor surgical+shattering. Pinning shot is probably better but... shattering lets you full auto bosses and crushers real quick.

[gusty bison]

In all seriousness I like bolters at the highest difficulty just cos u actually have more than 5 targets. Volver is good too though

[gusty bison]

Not shabby

[tough snow]

it kinda shows how op the boltgun and powersword were

[gusty bison]

Wants a higher surgical idealy

[tough snow]

cuz i had no clue what i was doing

[south garnet]

High damage rolls matter a lot more on high damage weps

[gusty bison]

Pinning is the less important of the two meta blessings anyway

[bold ibex]

if you get a good second blessing (shattering or pinning), you're.... kinda set. Can swap out sprint efficiency and get a higher surgical later on

[south garnet]

The absolute range of an attribute is really what makes a roll matter or not

[fading grove]

But I like to meme with Bolter and Chain Axe so take anything I say with a grain of salt lol

[gusty bison]

But on the side note. Basically the entire arsenal got buffed into solidness

[junior grail]

The ONLY thing stopping me from maining bolter is the ready time and delay between ads shots

[gusty bison]

Just the recons are lagging a bit behind

Everything else is at least B tier. If not A

[tough snow]

yes i see everything is buffed so its all pretty viable but my friends are trying to drag me thru auric 4

[junior grail]

I know Helbore has ready time and charged shots too but I feel they are more reliable

[tough snow]

so im trying to come up with something that wont grief them

[gusty bison]

My recommendation is fuck the meta, find a weapon set which jives with your playstyle

[junior grail]

If not yall can go standard Maelstrom first

[gusty bison]

Thats the most important

[tough snow]

having a melee for horde clear and a gun that i can quickly explode ranged targets with is how i was playing

volley fire doesnt seem as viable i am having a lot of trouble staying alive

[gusty bison]

Revolver + Catachan sword is a solid place to start

[fading grove]

thoughts? I think I was high when I made the one modification lol

[gusty bison]

Chainsword is decent as well and not as complex as powersword

[junior grail]

Try an Infantry Autogun, with the rending talents and krak nades you should have no issues vs armour

[gusty bison]

IAGs are ok as well ye

But does need headshots

[bold ibex]

volley fire is great . you just need some of the middle tree blessings that give +25% toughness regen and toughness DR above 75% toughness.

[south garnet]

Agree, that's why I use tac axe with low crit and finesse and no blessings plus a braced graia wirh awful stability and no ammo plus smoke nades

[gusty bison]

If u dont wanna go for headshots run a vraks 3 headhunter instead

[south garnet]

Then I hide in a corner til it's over

[junior grail]

Shout Vet is popular now

[bold ibex]

basically you just chain kills and never leave volley fire.

[placid portal]

Counter fire gaming

[gusty bison]

Helbore stronk S tier gun atm lel

[bold ibex]

shout vet is really good. only vet that isn't great IMO is infiltrator. It doesn't do enough and activating the ability blinds you

[gusty bison]

Probably in contender for top 3

[tough snow]

the suppression immunity does not appear to me like it is working so standing in front of a firing squad trying to pick them off is impossible

[placid portal]

Also a life saver for helbore when in immediate need for gun

[gusty bison]

Cos u arent getting suppressed. Ur getting staggered from getting hit

[south garnet]

Helbore makes me feel like I'm playing in molasses tbh

[placid portal]

If you lose your toughness they will stun you

[bold ibex]

you should be able to just one tap them all and GG it

[junior grail]

Speaking of which, what blessings you run for vraks 3? I tried Headhunter DeadlyAccurate but I struggle to consostently headshot with its recoil

[placid portal]

Tru xp it takes a different kind of mentality

[tough snow]

is that why im seeing people running 3 gunner perks on their curious

[gusty bison]

HH + No respite

If you hit heads cool

If you dont its no biggy

[gusty bison]

Kinda yes

[placid portal]

Ye

Gunner is usually the primary reason to lose your toughness kek

[junior grail]

Ah both my blessings are changeable, managed a nice flakiac natural perk Vraks 3

[bold ibex]

yup. well. taht and a lot of people run melee vet or shout vets who don't have the 'i win' button against gunners.

[gusty bison]

Along with 🔥

[placid portal]

Fire from bombers is a menace

[gusty bison]

Whatcha mean.

F is an I win vs gunners :P

[placid portal]

Lose half hp from getting out of it xpp

[tough snow]

i find running up to them, shouting them and stabbing them with my catachan sufficient

[bold ibex]

they gotta be close for shout to work, otherwise you're just letting them shoot you more

[junior grail]

Classic 40K warrior

[placid portal]

Gunning them usually preferable to gib taste of their own meds

[south garnet]

Sliding laterally generally works

[gusty bison]

Dodges also do ok if you time them well

[bold ibex]

earlier today I walked into a corridor with four or five gunners. legit couldn't move or do anything but die.

[gusty bison]

But yea you need more footwork now as vet

[white minnow]

you can also spam dodges

[gusty bison]

No more tanking everything in volley fire

[placid portal]

Tru

[white minnow]

your dodge distance is shorter and the consecutive cooldown longer when tapping into your inefficient dodges, but your ranged i-frames are the same

[placid portal]

Or kill em faster than they can kill yoi

[south garnet]

You might be able to if the alternative node to deadshot worked

[quick burrow]

hmm zealot chat is popping off with stuff i guess so il try here what do you guys think i should change block eff for sure

[white minnow]

and you may want inefficient dodges so that you move less while aiming

[tough snow]

i spent all my resources on this and it seems to work ok

[junior grail]

I wonder if new Vet Keystones can help in survivability further

[placid portal]

Nah

[gusty bison]

Ehhhh

Nah

[bold ibex]

if they did, vets would just get nerfed again

[placid portal]

No survivalbility mentioned

[south garnet]

They will produce some interesting behaviors for sure

[gusty bison]

Yea catachan swords are a nice solid versatile weapon atm

Easy to use

[bold ibex]

if you run all the toughness DR talents and regen talents, you can still more or less facetank everything except fire.

[gusty bison]

And works vs everything decently well

[south garnet]

Glue feet, schizo swapper and serial tagger

[junior grail]

Oh nos not again

[gusty bison]

Tbh for marksman i feel u just ignore the stationary clause and go for chained headshots.

[south garnet]

Pretty much, we also don't know how high it stacks, could be busted

[tough snow]

i guess what i need to know is the accatran i posted going to be a sufficient upgrade to the kantrael mg 12 i have for nuking ranged targets without changing my build

[gusty bison]

Just have an aimbot

[white minnow]

or how fast you lose stacks while moving

[fading grove]

Do flamers just instantly wipe out all bonus toughness? I swear every time I'm caught in a corner reloading or something and shout, a millisecond of flame makes all toughness drop

[gusty bison]

Nah. Recons are harder to use atm

[gusty bison]

Yes

[placid portal]

Sprinting most likely drops all stacks kek

[white minnow]

my standards are "as long as it's better than the current tree"

[gusty bison]

Flames instabreak

[fading grove]

that sucks

[gusty bison]

Doesnt matter if u have 500 toughness

[placid portal]

Except fire barrels

But they do burn HP

[gusty bison]

Fire is meant to be a hardcounter to toughness. Be careful around it

[south garnet]

Just make it so I don't feel like two thirds of my points are just spend trying to get to like 3 things

[gusty bison]

This btw, is also why flamers are a high priority threat

[placid portal]

Flamers insta die on catachan overheads

[gusty bison]

Cos if u allow 3-4 flamers to stack up, suddenly you find yourself with nowhere to go

[placid portal]

Flamers have a melee weakness multiplier

Do what you will with that info

[gusty bison]

And once toughness breaks you are in danger of getting stun locked to death by bullets

[tough snow]

jokes on u by the time i get 3 flamers im already on my knees in some dark spot on the map

[white minnow]

i'm fond of thy grenade be swift for the moment because of that

since flames aren't staggering you

[gusty bison]

Tbf that talent is deffo getting fixed lmao

[white minnow]

absolutely

but i'm going to have my fun with it while it lasts

and then it gets fixed and then I get absolutely owned because I forgot that I don't have stun immunity

[gusty bison]

XD

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Thanks for the shittier knife

[white minnow]

i recently had a game where I took executioner's stance and got into the pre-patch 13 vet mentality, so I just stood against a ranged patrol and got absolutely dumpstered

so that's my baseline ability for adapting to change

[gusty bison]

Splot

Guns skery.

[mystic belfry]

I mean, if anything executionar's stance is better than it used to be

[gusty bison]

No more unwavering

So u actually need to dodge... a little

[mystic belfry]

Damage wise

[south garnet]

As long as I yell at them they don't shoot me in the face with as much determination

[mystic belfry]

I also run shout vet

[white minnow]

worse damage-wise innit because of the -25% damage

if you're referring to the +25% weakspot damage, that was with pre-patch 13 vet as well

just that it was unlisted

[mystic belfry]

Just this alone really

[tough snow]

what does power mean

damage?

[mystic belfry]

Cleave, damage, everything

[gusty bison]

Cleave, Damage and Stagger

[mystic belfry]

Stagger too

[white minnow]

+50% power = +50% damage, +50% cleave, and +50% stagger

[tough snow]

so way stronger than it seems

[gusty bison]

Yes

[tough snow]

if you dont know anything

[mystic belfry]

Power is very good

[white minnow]

the attributes stack multiplicatively ( It hink)

[south garnet]

It means you can sneeze in their face and they'll be knocked off the map and also atomized

[white minnow]

actually I should test if damage and power are still multiplicative

[tough snow]

just as the god emperor would intend

[south garnet]

I'll have to try pairing it with stealth at some point. Seems like a completely ridiculous contortionist act trying to get both, but maybe fun, dunno

[mystic belfry]

It's not that bad, it's two talents to cross over

[tough snow]

so what what nerfed about the boltgun cuz im in meatgrind on damnation and it doesnt seem as bad as it feels in a mission

[mystic belfry]

And you definitly want at least a few middle talents anyways

[dusty ferry]

Does the power last for that duration of the modifier?

[south garnet]

Is there still a cap on how much damage a boss can take directly to health before shield regen if you're quick/coordinated?

[mystic belfry]

It lasts for 10 seconds, I don't know offhand if it reprocs with relentless

[south garnet]

Assassination I mean

[dusty ferry]

ah

ouioui

[mystic belfry]

Would be easy to check

[white minnow]

damage and power are still multiplicative

woohoo

[mystic belfry]

I check, it does not reset

Still a ton of burst damage though

[fading grove]

What's your guys weapon load out that's maybe not great but you find fun?

[mystic belfry]

Knife

[fading grove]

Knife is great though

[mystic belfry]

Run it with backstab without stealth :v

[fading grove]

Oh hey speaking of knife. I keep playing with knife guys who repeatedly stab as they sprint. Is there some speed bonus or anything doing that

[gusty bison]

@serene sage I finally got to testing my bolter and its technically possible to get the crit bodyshot BP on gunner and flamer.

It is 100% damage vs maniac. I think you hit the arm of the flamer. Thats why

Flamer requires longshot and u to be outside of 12m

(No pinning fire stacks needed)

Gunner eorks even point blank

This is really stacking it though.

With a regular confirmed kill + IW build your 1 tap flamer range is 14m. And gunners are still pointblank

Without the rending node your 1 tap flamer range is 18m

[wind patio]

Speaking of stealth backstabs, Zealots can nuke assassination boss shield because for some reason, hitting it doesn't break your stealth. Not sure if this is intended.

[fading grove]

Just dark tide things

[mystic belfry]

There's no speed bonus outside of dodging or sprinting

[wind patio]

False, you are faster while charging a heavy with a knife.

[mystic belfry]

Huh, neat then, I do it a bit but didn't notice

[wind patio]

Yeah, it's actually quite considerable

If you go fast enough, most enemies can't hit you before you're already out of range, even with ice skating.

Most notable on Zealot with their sprint speed and multiple movespeed nodes + knife

[tough snow]

the friend that drug me back into the game plays zealot knife and its frankly ridiculous

[mystic belfry]

Yeah just tested it

[tough snow]

he can be across the room through the horde and stabbing gunners before i even get into the room

[mystic belfry]

Bewildered I didn't notice

I use knife a lot lmao

[tough snow]

frankly its a problem for me

[mystic belfry]

Oh?

[tough snow]

he bypasses all the maulers and maniacs and horde leaving me to deal with them

i have problems with the heavily armored enemies if i dont have a grenade

[timid otter]

I tried zealot as a low level yesterday with knife

Its very viable if u want to level zealot on damn

Was able to keep up with level 30’s scorewise or even surpass them.

[vale ledge]

Ran Knife Veteran

Found out that this song helps improve ones focushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sls4Sdw5Z30

[gusty bison]

@serene sage Here you go

[mortal escarp]

Found a good shotgun. What do I need to change about it?

[gusty bison]

And a version with no talents

[gusty bison]

Take full bore no respite as blessings

Or actually just full bore

and test breakpoints

[grim thunder]

The only thing I don’t like about the slug shotgun is the fact that it doesn’t work effectively vs armor

[sharp ember]

yeah but it's the "best" shotgun vs armor

[gusty bison]

Uh

[sharp ember]

assuming we talking about carapace

[gusty bison]

Ah

[mystic belfry]

Fire shotgun is better against groups of armor

[sharp ember]

if a crusher patrol pulls up

i'll just dump my kraks and let the bleedgryn handle the rest

or the full auto bolter zealot OH WAIT HE'S EMPTY

[gusty bison]

Bolter full auto is ass vs crusher patrols now

a mag dump kills 1

[mystic belfry]

Throw a krak grenade, then time your ult to push the ogryns into a pile

You can kill like five crushers in one nade if you do it right

[serene sage]

thanks for testing

why does your bolter sound so sharp?

[midnight patrol]

So I discovered that revolver is kinda funni on Vet.

[serene sage]

maube it's the recording?

[midnight patrol]

The ammo problems arnt that bad when you have 62 rounds to play with

[gusty bison]

Recording is down qualitied to 1080p

causing a less clear audio

[midnight patrol]

Was quite surprised how much it helped to one tap Crushers and Maulers in the head

Even ragers arnt exempt from pistol sized anti material rifle

[brisk sapphire]

Guess you were late to the party

[midnight patrol]

Yeah lol

[serene sage]

revolver is so bad it needs more buffs tbh

[midnight patrol]

Probably helps that I have a very solid roll of a revolver I guess

[serene sage]

currently you can't one shot Plague Ogryn with it

[mystic belfry]

Even a decent grey does work

[midnight patrol]

I cant hit that one shot breakpoint on Damnation on Crusher heads, but eh, I can live with one head one body

[serene sage]

I think body shot one shot plgryn is too strong

they shoudl buff it so that headshot should kill

then maybe revolver would be playable

[mystic belfry]

Ogryn heads are the size of a body, no real need for body shots

[midnight patrol]

Uh, without Ex Stance at least

When its up and going it'll drop asses

[wanton dawn]

Imagine playing revolver without abusing handcannon

Oh btw, tinkerer is completely and utterly broken with ps

[serene sage]

stun immunity?

shit is busted

[wanton dawn]

Yup

[wind patio]

Thy Grenade Be Swift

[wanton dawn]

But ps is supposed to lose charge on stun

Sooo

[fading grove]

PS mk6 is generally the more powerful sword right

[wind patio]

You can keep swinging

[open oasis]

Feel a li'l spoiled by the zealot's melee options. What is the recommended option for attacking multiple targets?

[wanton dawn]

Ps6

[gusty bison]

Devil claw

Or Psword 6 ye

[wanton dawn]

Add sunder for big lolz

[gusty bison]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

Add tinkerer for bigger lole

[gusty bison]

But its harder to use

[leaden skiff]

What're peeps running on Plasma at this point? Gets Hot + ???

[wanton dawn]

Blaze

[wind patio]

It’s debatable. People are fawning over 6 for its single target damage, but mk3 is better for mixed hordes and still tackles single targets fine.

[viscid marlin]

power sword 6 is so insanely strong

i was two tapping crushers like mad last match

[tawdry hull]

devil claw is so good i cry

[wanton dawn]

6 has better light against horde

[viscid marlin]

devil claw is good too

[wind patio]

You don’t use light for horde

[wanton dawn]

You do

[wind patio]

You use heavy on 3

[viscid marlin]

you do on 6

[wind patio]

Yeah, and it’s worse for that reason

[wanton dawn]

Even on 3 heavy is the risky option

[fading grove]

just got power cycler 3 on the first PS I've tried upgrading lol

[tawdry hull]

it feels so good to play with it

[wind patio]

If you say so.

[viscid marlin]

i mean... it one shots pretty much the entire horde per swing

[wanton dawn]

I do.

[drowsy leaf]

only thing devil claw struggles with is crushers and maulers really

[mystic belfry]

"better" but not realy noticably

Mk6 is basically just as good for hordes.

[brisk sapphire]

Devil claw is a weaker heavy sword with a cooler special. Not to say it's weak, as HS is like the best horde clear melee in the game

[tawdry hull]

i use the 1-2 light on mk6 power sword

[wind patio]

Not really.

[mystic belfry]

Yeah really

[wanton dawn]

Yeah really

[viscid marlin]

Between the two i prefer not having to use heavies for horde cause then i can just whip it out and charge it then swing without the extra wind up time

[drowsy leaf]

mk6 with power cycler on a marksman build with the extra weakspot damage can do the push attack>light and kill a crusher

[white minnow]

i use lights on mk6 cuz I run brutal momentum

[wanton dawn]

Which you can get interrupted from

[fading grove]

what other blessing on Power Sword

[wind patio]

Yeah, not really. I can tell you the statistics.
The cleave distribution isn’t as powerful and the bad heavy angles make mk6 less smooth.

[viscid marlin]

true

[wanton dawn]

Nobody use heavy on 6

[tawdry hull]

for horde clear i always try to use 2 horizontal slashes

[viscid marlin]

yeah who uses heavies on 6, thats the point

you dont need it

[mystic belfry]

Power cycler and brutal momentum

[tawdry hull]

heavies for single target imo

[gusty bison]

Oh @serene sage Found the minimum range you can 1 shot flamers is 8m with this build

[wind patio]

Bromentum has a 6 proc limit you know

[gusty bison]

Its... not that bad surprisingly. just a bit weird

[brisk sapphire]

Can just spam lights with claw 4 against hordes, tho I like to mix in some sweeping heavies for flavor

[viscid marlin]

thats what the push attack into light are for

[white minnow]

it has a limit but it's still quite good with lights

[dusk idol]

pretty sure powered swings have a seven cleave target limit anyway

unless you have sunder

[mystic belfry]

Single target is charge block cancel -> push attack -> Light attack

Horde clear is any combo of charge block cancel into lights or heavies, just don't use light 4

[wanton dawn]

With sunder mk6 light will dmg 2 crusher through bulwark shield anyway. Or 10+ horde

[white minnow]

being able to kill up to 4 trash mobs (and more) per swing is pretty good

esp when light headshots are enough to one-shot bruisers

[mystic belfry]

Brutal momentum lets you kill more than 4

Swing at head level

[white minnow]

the limit was 4 iirc right?

[mystic belfry]

No

[viscid marlin]

no

[wind patio]

Yes. And then I increase it with cleave related blessings. I can kill them faster, more efficiently, I am stronger against hordes than someone with an mk6

[wanton dawn]

Bm does not increase target limit. It increase dmg on target after 1

[viscid marlin]

definitely not lol

[digital gazelle]

worth it for vet?

[dusk idol]

depends what your current curios are

[mystic belfry]

https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4?t=1065

mk3 doesn't clear any faster

[wind patio]

I saw this. It was actually unimpressive to me if you wanted me to be honest.

[brisk sapphire]

Ima degen and use toughness curios on every operative

[wind patio]

I can clear faster

[dusk idol]

I only use health and stamina curios on all of mine

[mystic belfry]

Like you can use whatever you like by feel, it doesn't matter. But it's not better lol

[viscid marlin]

Ok at this point im just not feeding the troll

[dusk idol]

so fair game

[dapper vessel]

thats just the most optimal curio setup

[gusty bison]

Wait wait

What

Toughness curios?

In my house?

:P

[mystic belfry]

Stam toughness toughness

[leaden skiff]

I also do all toughness

[dapper vessel]

its a public discord

[gusty bison]

My house now >:)

[dusk idol]

people say toughness is great but in melee if you take a hit, or you get gatted by a sniper

shit hurts

[leaden skiff]

I will literally defecate in your house dude

[mystic belfry]

On martyr zealot is use wound wound stam instead

[dusk idol]

so I run go

hp

[midnight patrol]

Problem with the Catachan is I dont know how you can use it to actively kill maulers and Crushers on their way to smack your psyker dead lol

Parry can kill them yes, but they need to be hitting you

[gusty bison]

Onslaught and parry

[mystic belfry]

Heavy 1 -> block cancel -> heavy 1 -> block cancel

repeat

[wanton dawn]

Ppl say thoughness is great then take exil takedown

[midnight patrol]

Attacking them doesnt seem to get their attention

[serene sage]

1 health 1 toughness 1 stamina

[midnight patrol]

By then the other dude is down

[dusk idol]

💀

[dapper vessel]

I simply practice for hours on how to kill 5 Crushers with a Dclaw using parries

[mystic belfry]

That was at you ico

[midnight patrol]

A PS you can just murdered them actively before they hurt others

[serene sage]

just like the god emperor intended

[dapper vessel]

It took a ton of deaths but I succeeded

[gusty bison]

Well yes

Thats a PS

[midnight patrol]

I dont think it has the DPS for it right?

[grim walrus]

🤝

[mystic belfry]

It does

[gusty bison]

It does.

[viscid marlin]

You can't be responsible for other players. You can do the best you can to help them but at the end of the day its up to them to dodge.

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-guy-blinks-eyes-blinking-meme-surprised-drew-scanlon-gif-21139379

[gusty bison]

Its not PSword

[wanton dawn]

I practice killing 10 crushers with ps every morning

[mystic belfry]

Heavy 1 spam is solid armor damage

[gusty bison]

But its still good

[dusk idol]

I don’t personally believe in one weapon having the ability to deal with all problems

[mystic belfry]

it's not as good as parry but it's fine

[dusk idol]

so I just pick a ranged weapon that can deal with chonk targets

[white minnow]

the limit of brutal momentum's effect seems to be 4

[dapper vessel]

2 shotting crushers with a push attack L4 combo isnt practice smh

[mystic belfry]

You can also do push attack -> heavy -> push attack -> heavy

[gusty bison]

Really makes ya think doesnt it

[mystic belfry]

Better if in a mixed horde and you need to push trash off of you

[white minnow]

thonk

[midnight patrol]

Also are Fatshark servers dying?

Been getting 2004 and 3013 errors back to back

[dusk idol]

always has been

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[mystic belfry]

Limit of brutal momentum is actualy 3 I believe

then it cleaves per normal

[serene sage]

Server hamster dies occasionally. They might need to go out and get a new one.

[gusty bison]

Yea cos first 3 are ignored so guy number 4 counts as 1

Then so on

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[white minnow]

true

[fathom grail]

Instead of doing push ups every morning I studied and watched an hour long video of swinging a knife

[white minnow]

+3 would be more accurate

[midnight patrol]

I have absolutely no issue with the Catachan's horde clear or mauler counter, always have been intercepting heavy armour that was my issue with it

[wanton dawn]

I did lie i don't do it every morning am too lazy

[midnight patrol]

But yeah, I guess I can just use my revolver to railgun those two heavies.

[mystic belfry]

Just spam heavy one or chain push attack heavy one

it's fine

[gusty bison]

10 crusher kills, 10 mauler kills and a sedition speed run through 10 missions every morning?

[brisk sapphire]

with 3 toughness curios on ogryn and sniper resist, snipers literally do no health damage

at full toughness

[dapper vessel]

I should try using Sunder

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[dusk idol]

let’s be honest if you tried hard enough you could make the horde disappear too

[wind patio]

I typically delete hordes of 20 enemies at a time in one heavy attack.

Bromentum synergizes a lot with the mk6 by buffing what it’s good at and making it bearable at where it’s weak at: Horde clear.

I simply think it’s a sidegrade, a choice between two weapons with different statistics.

Mk6, in my opinion, is not “strictly better” than 3, despite what many people believe, because it has traits for specific attacks that are inferior to its counterpart

[dusk idol]

is that because of ogryns innate dr?

[brisk sapphire]

certainly a part of it

[dusk idol]

do you need any toughness dr travel nodes for that

[gusty bison]

Sir. There is literal evidence it doesnt.

[viscid marlin]

Lol you cant even have 20 enemies inside of swing range at a time with collision how it is.

[serene sage]

Fellas is it toxic to top frag while stay in coherency?

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i have several video of ps testing against several stupid large group of melee elite. It is not that hard

[midnight patrol]

My best revolver roll I liked so far

[mystic belfry]

I typically delete hordes of 20 enemies at a time in one heavy attack.

[dapper vessel]

no

[wind patio]

What is “it” in this context

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[serene sage]

Because my teammates blamed me for focusing too much on killing and ignoring med stati

[mystic belfry]

For sure

[dapper vessel]

wait doesnt Power Sword only cleave up to 8 enemies now

[serene sage]

While im 90% health

[gusty bison]

BM stops working after target 3

[dapper vessel]

20 enemies in one heavy attack doesnt sound right

[wind patio]

I’m not using Bromentum

[mystic belfry]

Because 20 in one swing is pure and utter bullshit

[dusk idol]

without sunder it’s around that

[dapper vessel]

hmmm

are you using Rampage

[wind patio]

I use Wrath.

[dapper vessel]

oh

[gusty bison]

Then ur damage falls off too quickly to 1 shot past target 3

[mystic belfry]

It's still not 20 lmao

[dusk idol]

bring back the days where powersword had infinite cleave and 7 powered swings

please god

[gusty bison]

Unless ur playing uprising

Cos u sure aint hitting 300 infested damage on 3rd target

[dapper vessel]

how many stacks it procs on 1 swing though?

[viscid marlin]

dont feed the trolls

[white minnow]

the thing about brumo is that it's particularly good against bruiser groups

[wind patio]

Then why do I one shot hordes. The evidence can’t contradict my experience.

[mystic belfry]

Sunder and Wrath are both worse than brutal momentum for cleave

[gusty bison]

You arent

Lel

Thats the answer

[white minnow]

sunder and wrath are better than brutal momentum for cleave

[viscid marlin]

trolls eating good tonight

[dapper vessel]

We are benchmarking things on Damnation no

[wind patio]

Bro

[dusk idol]

💀

[gusty bison]

You are staggering hordes. Not killing them. Ur killing 2 to 3 and making the other stagger backwards

[minor brook]

what weapons are hot this patch

[dusk idol]

all of them

[minor brook]

i aint feeling my helbore 2

[dapper vessel]

most weapons got a huge glow up in patch 13 and 14

[wanton dawn]

Bm does not increase target limit

[dusk idol]

except the chainaxe

[mystic belfry]

Chainaxe too

Zooming meta

[gusty bison]

Sadge :c

[dusk idol]

zooming straight into the garbage

[white minnow]

as in cleave is still consumed even on the initial weakspot kills?

[gusty bison]

But for guns... anything not the recon. And the recon if u wanna

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is smth like 400% cleave increase and immunity to swing interruption

[viscid marlin]

chain axe combos give me physical pain

[mystic belfry]

Zooming straight into solo deamon host kills, a very importat niche

[dapper vessel]

yeah Sunder is 4x cleave and armor hitmass ignore

[sharp ember]

many elite hp pools were buffed, you might be feeling that on crushers and maulers and ragers

[midnight patrol]

@Ascend , I'm trying all the marks of Catachan swords, at best they only do like, 200-280 ish damage, lucky crits about 400 ish

[mystic belfry]

And it's still worse than brutal momentum for cleave :v

[minor brook]

yea it feels awful now

[white minnow]

no

[wanton dawn]

Again, bm does not increase cleave

[wanton dawn]

It applies 1st target dmg to its current cleave target

[minor brook]

cant kill maniacs

i switched to plasma and now im having a good time

[dusk idol]

well there you go

[white minnow]

so just the damage is different but the cleave stuff is the same, gotcha

[dusk idol]

problem solved

[dapper vessel]

BM ignores hitmass on kill to your next attack

[mystic belfry]

It's not litterally cleave, but it's a similar effect, and beter at the some job

[minor brook]

boltgun good now?

[mystic belfry]

Sure

[dusk idol]

it’s alright

it’s usable

[midnight patrol]

On The crusher armour at least

On The crusher armour at least

[sharp ember]

boltgun alright, single shots highly encouraged

[dapper vessel]

its not as good as pre patch 13 but I wont count it out yet still

[brisk sapphire]

eh, everything still gets erased with a team that knows what theyre doing

[gusty bison]

Its solid

[brisk sapphire]

nerf every class plz 😈

[gusty bison]

Not the best but not shabby

[dusk idol]

me running into hordes spamming parry

[mystic belfry]

That's about what you're getting on a crusher, yeah.

[dusk idol]

wondering why im dying

[white minnow]

for scenarios where you're one-shotting elites with weakspots (which I doubt are happening much), sure, but Sunder is going to offer vastly more consistent cleave

[gusty bison]

You should still be able to hit all the BPs you used to hit

Whats ur HB2?

[mellow bridge]

Left for dead had "crowning the witch". What is the dsrktide equivalent. Hammering the host?

[gusty bison]

Oh except maulers

Maulers got turbo buffed

[mellow bridge]

Pounding the demonussy?

[dusk idol]

chaos spawn?

[mystic belfry]

Flipping the hosts matress

[midnight patrol]

... yeaaah I think I'm goign back to my mk6 PS xD

[viscid marlin]

stop

[sinful cave]

Is this why my randoms dont kill groaners? They swing once, kill 3, knock over the rest and think there all dead lmao?

[mellow bridge]

Bonking DH with TH

[sharp ember]

it's ogryn facepunching the chaos spawn to death

[dusk idol]

face slapping

[viscid marlin]

They are both good, the difference is one is a bit more on the defensive side in my opinion.

[dapper vessel]

Hit plague ogryns with a consistent chain of Vraks 3 headshots

[viscid marlin]

Parry's stun ragers and maniacs and things.

[mystic belfry]

Claw's big think is parry, yeah

[wind patio]

People trying to make statements and insult when I’m trying to tell them what I do in games.

Yes, I don’t walk at a horde and instantly kill every single enemy. I need stacks of Wrath for that. It’s a process that’s about as much setup as any other tool in your kit, and one that’s especially common in game. I kill things extremely quickly, more than a few at a time with each light attack.

I don’t mind if you all think mk6 is better. I just don’t agree that there is no downside to it vs the pure horde clear power the heavy attacks of mk3 has

[mystic belfry]

I've face tanked two bosses at the same time before with one

[opaque crane]

Trying to get manstopper is killing me from the inside.

[sharp ember]

are you spam upgrading to blue?

[minor brook]

i liked the helbore last patch but mk 2 isnt punching the same numbers, is mk 3 fun?

[mystic belfry]

I need stacks of Wrath for that.
It mechanically doesn't work that way

[gusty bison]

Id like to point out people dont look down on you for your opinion. They look down on you because you make patently and verifiably false statements that are clearly an illustration of a lack of game knowledge

[mystic belfry]

it's not a skill issue, it's the game mechanics not working like you say they do

[opaque crane]

Yeah I was doing it on my lvl 30 vet I just got a new one to 15 I just gotta get more plasteel now.

[dapper vessel]

best way to do it if you dont mind is making a new character and unlock the shotgun than just farm for the blessing from there

its only a Tier 2 blessing

[sinful cave]

Preferring mk3 is fine but ignoring the evidence that mk6 is mostly superior is wacky

[midnight patrol]

I will deffo agree with that

[mystic belfry]

Again, if you want to use the other power sword, by all means do it

[wind patio]

What false statements have I made though?

[dapper vessel]

most damaging so yes

[mystic belfry]

But it's not killing 20 in a swing, no matter how buffed it is

[sharp ember]

mk1 gang

[mystic belfry]

Period

[midnight patrol]

A catachan allowed me to survive a full on hoard and two ragers backed me up into a corner

[gusty bison]

• Killing 20 enemies in one swing

[midnight patrol]

I held that corner like a mofo lol

[mystic belfry]

Mk3 is better horde clear, would be another I'd contest

it's about the same

[gusty bison]

Unless they were all like 20 HP thats mathematically not possible

[opaque crane]

I’ve noticed you don’t get interrupted on psword 3 when swinging which is pretty cool

[grim thunder]

Are we talking claw or ps

[dapper vessel]

are you running grenade tinkerer?

[midnight patrol]

Its more reliable if you can dodge charge well

At least for me

[gusty bison]

Thats not cos of psword 3

[sinful cave]

Is there a single melee that can do that? Maybe evis active if I spawn 20 enemies into a tight pile with savage sweep lmao

[mystic belfry]

Just block cancel your charge

[gusty bison]

Thats cos of thy grenades be swift

[midnight patrol]

You can guarentee everything is getting headshots at head level

[opaque crane]

Ohhh okay

[gusty bison]

Uh... does flamer count?

[mystic belfry]

if you don't have time to heavy heavy heavy, then do light heavy heavy

[sharp ember]

i like that mk3 can sprint while activating, but my allegiance lies with mk6 combo strings

[mystic belfry]

Sprinting into a horde is really not that useful at all

[midnight patrol]

The push attack for the mk6 is very knife like, which is nice

[dapper vessel]

simply dodge slide.

[opaque crane]

That’s kinda crappy I was hoping psword 3 had something cool

[wanton dawn]

I learned the slide activation tech

[gusty bison]

Its easier

Thats its main thing

[dapper vessel]

eeh Mark 3 is still good at what it does. Spamming heavies.

[gusty bison]

Mk 6 takes practice to perfect

[opaque crane]

Yeah but thats lame

[midnight patrol]

Its heavy attacks are a perfectly flat horizontal slash in both directions

[mystic belfry]

Mark 3 is fine

[gusty bison]

Mk 3 is easier to pick up

[mystic belfry]

it's just not better

[midnight patrol]

Its perfect for head level headshots

[dapper vessel]

Its a simpler moveset compared to the mark 6

[opaque crane]

It is a lot easier to 1 shot mutants though with it

[sharp ember]

Why are you sliding, to be level with the groins of heretics?

[gusty bison]

Id say its easier to pick up, but has less potential

[mystic belfry]

Please use whatever weapon you like regardless of it's the best or not

[gusty bison]

Mk 3?

[opaque crane]

Yep

[mystic belfry]

You punch them and ensure their line ends here

[gusty bison]

Mk 6 has the better pattack thou

[midnight patrol]

PS based circumcision

[wanton dawn]

Also there is one application of heavy on mk6: mutie os

[opaque crane]

Just a powered heavy with the right set up and 1 shot mutie

[dapper vessel]

why is your thoughts concerning over groins

[gusty bison]

The pattack doesnt?

[minor brook]

killzone or opening salvo on plasma gun?

[midnight patrol]

If I had cycler 4 on my mk3 I'd use it more often

[mystic belfry]

You can one-shot muties with push attack on 6

if you take the right blessings and talents

[wanton dawn]

Harder to pull of

[gusty bison]

Yea the pattack is way easier to oshot with than a heavy

[opaque crane]

You don’t have to do the block cancel stuff like on 6

[gusty bison]

Im sorry

[dapper vessel]

killzone

[midnight patrol]

I can't deny its ability to just heavy swing spam and you can be confident a lot of heads are flying across the screen

[opaque crane]

But crushers and maulers take WAY longer on 3

[sharp ember]

thinking about the kasrkin suit doesn't have a groin protector

[mystic belfry]

You can also just heavy swing spam the 6 is the thing

[gusty bison]

Ok i use a shovel so my melee aim is different xD

[mystic belfry]

3 is at best mildly better at just swinging, but not functionally much different for that

[midnight patrol]

The 6's heavy have a weird diagonal slash

[gusty bison]

I find quick stabs easier to aim than sweeps

[opaque crane]

It’s nicer for rager groups cause of control

[midnight patrol]

It pain

[dapper vessel]

is the shovel currently has a wonky hitbox?

[wanton dawn]

Also get that matador feeling to it. Ole !

[dusk idol]

what

[gusty bison]

No shovel's anti muti tech is the special attack

Which is a stab

[dapper vessel]

Im talking weakspot hit priority

[opaque crane]

You stab in the head and they stumble

[sharp ember]

it's fine

[wind patio]

Well, I don’t get it then. I don’t only kill 3.

Maybe I don’t notice when I was getting crits, or don’t pay explicit attention to the actual contents of the horde, but I do genuinely kill swathes of enemies, on damnation. My sword is specced to pox damage and flak damage.

[neon briar]

huh how

i dont even do 3k

[gusty bison]

If you boop them on the snoot with the stab it causws them to stop their charge

[mystic belfry]

Left side capstone, maniac, special damage, I think? Something like that.

[sharp ember]

tac axe too, even though taxes are mediocre right now

[mystic belfry]

mk 6 has a lot of potential breakpoints and you need to pick between them

[wanton dawn]

Hence why i said heavy is easier

[dusk idol]

wait taxe can stumble mutants?

[mystic belfry]

ye

[neon briar]

oh with the capstone, i rarely get those :c

[dapper vessel]

taxe special can

[sharp ember]

on special head hit

[dusk idol]

time to go back to my baby

[dapper vessel]

antax dueling sword and shovel can do it also

[wind patio]

I hate that we have to learn these things but that’s very nice. I at least noticed pretty quickly that plasma staggers them on hs, too

[neon briar]

you can one shot mutant with ps6 heavy?

[sharp ember]

you can combo special them and make them go AUGH OUGH

[mystic belfry]

Martyr zealot with tac axe cleans house

[sharp ember]

you can even use it to make them drop someone they grabbed if you're quick

[opaque crane]

I always thought you had to block stab to get mutie on 6

[gusty bison]

To put it bluntly, in a regular damnation the guy who kills the most enemies is usually around 700.

U cant convince me that you can reach that number only swinging your melee weapon 50 times lol (thats 3 swings per minute)

[brisk sapphire]

martyr zealot with a better weapon cleans house even faster

[opaque crane]

You can 1 shot with psword 3 powered heavy though

[gusty bison]

I find the blockstab easier than the heavies vs a mutie

I think its cos of a reach thing?

[mystic belfry]

yatta yatta meta whatever fam

[wind patio]

Push Attack is stronger no?

On 3

[frank ledge]

How about you push some barrels

[opaque crane]

I could see that for sure

[misty delta]

the lingering hitbox helps too

[gusty bison]

6 has a better push attack

Much much better

[wind patio]

Not in comparison to 6

I just meant in 3’s move

[gusty bison]

Oh Mk 3 heavy vs pattack?

[opaque crane]

For me I always do the heavy on 3 and move to left it always works for me

[mystic belfry]

6 also chains push attack into light 4

[sinful cave]

[gusty bison]

Never checked i think

[mystic belfry]

Which is strikedown

[gusty bison]

But mk 3 pattack should also 1 shot mutie

[sharp ember]

i believe so

[opaque crane]

It does

[sharp ember]

so you can still do single target crusher fighting with it

[gusty bison]

I just stand in front of it and do the snoot boop

[wind patio]

It has the same animation as mk6 strikedown

[gusty bison]

Combine with a diagonal backdodge abd even if u fuck it up you are fine

Cos you dodge the charge and immediately chain into a KO strikedown

[opaque crane]

It’s definitely a solid way to take care of them

What confuses me is the mk 6 is supposedly the defensive sword no?

[gusty bison]

I... kinda?

[mystic belfry]

Because you cancel the charged attack with a block

[opaque crane]

Yet it has better offensive capabilities

[mystic belfry]

But otherwise, not really?

[gusty bison]

It incorporates blocks and pushes more

[wind patio]

Better to call it the “dueling sword”

[gusty bison]

Its harder to use.

[mystic belfry]

It's basically a mk3 but also does better single target

[neon briar]

man im not one shotting muties with any of these attacks lmao. ps6 push attack, ps6 heavy are both under 3k. no maniac damage. ps3 push attack is closest with 3253. ps3 has t4 maniac damage

[gusty bison]

A lot of the offensive combos are actually non trivial and you can fuck it up

[opaque crane]

For sure

But that would make the easier to use psword 3 that has more cc the offensive one then?

[dapper vessel]

what counts as defensive sword though

[gusty bison]

Make sure you are taking the melee finesse node

[opaque crane]

It just seems weird to me

[mystic belfry]

Claw is the defensive sword

[gusty bison]

Both are offensice tbh

[opaque crane]

I just remember the terminology in the patch notes that fs used

[gusty bison]

Neither of them have great defenses

[wind patio]

“Offensive” if you count being able to charge into a horde since you’ll likely Stagger everyone

[mystic belfry]

There are not many defensive weapons in darktide

Like... claw swords, combat dagger, ogryn shield?

[gusty bison]

Claw sword is neutral

[opaque crane]

They are yeah

[gusty bison]

The defensive vet melee is shovel

[mystic belfry]

I wouldn't call claw neutral

[wind patio]

Dagger defensive? I always felt I used the movement to get in more than out

[mystic belfry]

Defense does not disclude offense

[gusty bison]

Shovel is a combination of good dodges, good stamina and stagger city

If you want everything to be staggered to hell and back while having mobility akin to a zealot

Shovel

[wind patio]

I should try shovel then that sounds appealing. I haven’t tried it since patch.

[gusty bison]

Dps is lower (duh) but when played well you will be surprised with what u can get away with

[wind patio]

There’s a lot of things I’ve not tried

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is good, just didn't find it that useful

[gusty bison]

Cos well

[mystic belfry]

When in a pinch I just shout

[opaque crane]

The shovel definitely feels a lot better to use

[gusty bison]

Its best used i find with a playstyle that wants to aggressively push into positions and through hordes if need be

Like not carving your way through it

[neon briar]

still cant

[gusty bison]

But literally force rushing through it to get an angle on specials/elites

[mystic belfry]

I find it easier to skate through hordes by curving knife dodges

But I've also practicted that a large amount

[opaque crane]

Trying to heavy swing 1 shot mutie?

[neon briar]

yeah just figuring out if it's possible without using an ult

[opaque crane]

It is

[neon briar]

what do you need?

[opaque crane]

I just did it

[neon briar]

whats your setup

[opaque crane]

You might need bm

Not slaughterer

[neon briar]

on ps3 or 6

[opaque crane]

Ps3

The weakpoint pushes it over I’m pretty sure

[gusty bison]

Yep

[opaque crane]

With that you might get away with a power push too my ps3 is negligible dmg off of 1shot with 75% dmg

Actually 140 maybe not

[mystic belfry]

yes I know that's weird

[noble onyx]

Hm.. Powersword has Brutal Momentum, doesn't it?
Does BM influence the cleave damage distribution?

[frank ledge]

The veteran tree shape is quite bad

Look how many points it takes to get to good nodes

[opaque crane]

It makes it so 4 targets have 1st target damage I think doesn’t it?

[frank ledge]

from one side to the other

[mystic belfry]

That's what you want for the one-shot iirc

[noble onyx]

I wonder if they'll make it easier to branch out with the new tree.

[opaque crane]

I go down middle, hit 30% weakspot, trench fighter, and iron will. That’s my build

I run deadshot and 3 stam curio for my autogun

[mystic belfry]

You need bottom left captstone for one-shot power sword memes

[opaque crane]

For crusher and stuff on 6?

[mystic belfry]

Tbh, better to dip at 30% weakspot and just go for two-shots with 6

[opaque crane]

2 shot is just as fast

[mystic belfry]

Not quite

[opaque crane]

It’s like half a second difference or maybe 1 second?

[mystic belfry]

It can matter

But as I said, I don't think it's worth it

[opaque crane]

Absolutely it can matter in situations yeah

I just mean most of the time that extra time may not be needed

[gusty bison]

Psword 6

[frank ledge]

if the screencaps are anything to go by, no

[thorn lark]

Yes

[neon briar]

howw

[thorn lark]

With 30% weakspot?

[opaque crane]

That’s the block stab isn’t it?

[gusty bison]

BM 3 with this tree

[neon briar]

thats without using ult too?

[gusty bison]

+25% maniac

[gusty bison]

Ye the block stab

[mystic belfry]

I'd run closer to this for a non-meme build

[gusty bison]

LMAO

LOL

[mystic belfry]

lmao

[gusty bison]

Near identical

[frank ledge]

[noble onyx]

[gusty bison]

I run survivalist thou

[frank ledge]

grawr is based

[thorn lark]

No thy grenade be swift?

[frank ledge]

unlike your aura

[frank saffron]

Yo guys whats the blessings combo for a warcrime las pistol?

[mystic belfry]

You can swap the 5% melee damage node, if wanted

[neon briar]

ok nice, yeah if i had 25% maniac on my ps6 it would push me over for the 1 shot

[opaque crane]

I've been running it this way

[thorn lark]

Infernus dumdum

[mystic belfry]

And the crit node

This was specifically for a melee focused mark 6 sword build

[frank saffron]

Danke shutz

[mystic belfry]

Adjust according to your preferences

[neon briar]

now i have flak and carapace on ps6, should i switch flak to maniac for the mutie 1 shot hmmmm

carapace seems pretty important for the 2 shot on crusher

[mystic belfry]

Can you currently two-shot muties?

[neon briar]

yeah i can

[mystic belfry]

Plenty good enough

[neon briar]

with maniac i could 1 shot with the push attack

[mystic belfry]

Especially as half the time your allies will put it into one-shot range for you