veteran-class

[unique sorrel]

born leader seems interesting but with how strong shout is, it's easy to recommend skipping

[wanton dawn]

Which one is trench fighter ?

[unique sorrel]

middle tree does have rending strikes though which you can only get with trench fighter by going through the melee aura, so keep that if someone else brings survivalist

[unique sorrel]

bottom right, attack speed 15%

[serene sage]

15?

[trim steppe]

born leader doesnt give toughness when your own is full, so it barely gives your team anything

[unique sorrel]

true

[unique sorrel]

yeah this kills the talent, it's such an oversight

[brisk umbra]

Oh that's why i never felt it

[ruby totem]

someone just ragequit my game because our psyker was using a surge staff lmao

[trim steppe]

My favorite ranged weapons atm are Plasma and Agri Brauto. I used to rock the hell out of the XII like 6mo ago but I just don't enjoy the playstyle of any of the infantry lasguns anymore

[sharp epoch]

my friend uses surge and thats happened like 5 times already

[trim steppe]

Surge staff is super good? Why people hatin on it

[sharp epoch]

thats why they leave cause its bugged

[ruby totem]

it is?

[trim steppe]

Yeah it gets the +125% damage boost from empowered psionics

[sharp epoch]

yes with empowered psionics its getting the smite bonus damage

imo its gonna be the worst staff after they fix the bug

[glacial peak]

It’s incredibly unfun to play with a surge user

[lucid notch]

Best Perks/Blessing for Dclawe MK4? or atleast decent perks

[elder vessel]

oh boo hoo hoo, my teammates is using a staff I dont like

[trim steppe]

I have not found it unfun personally

[brisk umbra]

Every game i get with a bugged Surge or Assail makes me happy, it means that for once i don't have to kill every special/elite on the map

[wanton dawn]

Even bugged i don't find it game warping ?

[sharp epoch]

Flak and Maniac as always, Savage Sweep and Rampage

[wanton dawn]

Kickback seems way more powerful

[lucid notch]

tyty

[sharp epoch]

yes kickback is more broken

and its not even a bug

[ruby totem]

yea really lol

[trim steppe]

Same, it seems barely overpowered with the bug.

[sharp epoch]

I say that as a kickback user

[trim steppe]

Lol I too am a kickback enjoyer right now. I love the power fantasy

[wanton dawn]

Well, it does not take a genius to figure that kickback has a unintended interaction

[sharp epoch]

whats the unintended interation?

[wanton dawn]

Minimum bullet count per target

[sharp epoch]

it was intended they changed that value specifically

[trim steppe]

I will say I ran surge staff in a pre-made on one of the all-melee maelstroms (with 100s of crushers and maulers and bulwarks) and I got like 980k damage that mission lmao

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but probably did not intend to apply to horde as well

[trim steppe]

I mean... what did they intend then? It was a deliberate change, how can you just forget about a big part of the game

[sharp epoch]

Meh I think they did, but made the min pellet count too high

it is a shotgun

[urban orchid]

My dear friends, what should I seek in a good Revolver? Is there a concensus in what is the best Blessings and perks for the weapon?

[wanton dawn]

Delete big stuff specifically ?

[trim steppe]

Surgical and Hand cannon blessings

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, its gonna get the nerf bat next patch

[trim steppe]

Im just saying, that is a massive oversight if they didn't intend it, seems like they just overtuned it

[sharp epoch]

nooo

[mystic belfry]

Surgical and hand cannon imo

[wanton dawn]

They forgot a - sign on exil takedown. 🤷

[urban orchid]

Thanks my friends

In perks, I'm using Flak and Maniac, should I use something else?

[trim steppe]

There's mistakes and there's oversights

[sharp epoch]

i feel like in general ogryn weapons are strong a lot of the talents dont even give ranged damage

[mystic belfry]

Flak and either carapace or maniac is fine

[wanton dawn]

In any case, no way kickback stay that way

[sharp epoch]

kick back balanced though

[trim steppe]

Yeah. Hopefully they tune it down instead of just throwing it back into the dumpster

[gleaming turtle]

You are using Ovenproof's version of the scoreboard, right?

[sharp epoch]

its crames

old version of his though, i dont have talents and blessings

[gleaming turtle]

Could you link it? I am not seeing it anywhere on the Nexus.

[trim steppe]

I know the infantry lasguns are good rn but I just cant get into them. Same as the helbores. I just don't jive with the plinky plinky playstyle

[sharp epoch]

uhhhh I jjusrt got the file directly from him

@wanton dawn he wants ur scoreboard

[wanton dawn]

? Get it from nexusmod ? It is the official+loadout monitor

[gleaming turtle]

Ah, it's the loadout monitor.

Which doesn't show up if you search for scoreboard; hence why I couldn't locate it. Thanks.

[wanton dawn]

It is in scoreboard list of known plugin

[digital gazelle]

worth?

[serene sage]

They can use whatever. But if they are purposefully abusing a bug, I understand why some people don't want to play with them.

[gleaming turtle]

Has anyone here brought the Helbore into Auric with good success? I honestly cannot figure out how to approach this gun, or which is the right one.

[trim steppe]

People like the mk3, I dont like helbores personally tho

[serene sage]

Helbore is just worse Bolter

No this isn't a meme

Patch 13 Helbore > Bolter
Patch 14 Bolter > Helbore

[slender turtle]

Did WCM get an update? never seen an actual scope

[native furnace]

Yes, but there's a subtle thing now that's worth noting: it has less pen than a plasma, and a plasma can clear a hallway of shotgunners in one charged shot.

[acoustic wyvern]

special conditions missions means only auric missions?

[digital gazelle]

Oh shit

[gleaming turtle]

I am mainly just looking to change things up. Helbore is about the only category of range weapons for the Vet I haven't put particular work in on, except handguns because I do not like the idea of them aesthetically.

[gleaming turtle]

That isn't lost on me, I know very well how strong Plasma is. I just have grown... bored with it, and I've tried everything else worth trying.

[native furnace]

So the big thing you're going to find is taht the MK3 is frustratingly slow to fire for the outcome right now, but it does hit hard, so you have to just make sure you're with a team that lets you act as a sniper for those charged shots.

The lack of camoflage (I know, I know) really hurts it compared to every other possible gun this patch.

[gleaming turtle]

Well, we'll see what the changes to the trees end up doing.

[native furnace]

It's valid, but you HAVE to hit weakpoints.

[gleaming turtle]

But the Mk. 3 is the way to go? Not the Mk.2

[native furnace]

2 is just a slightly punchier XII lasgun that shoots slower.

[vagrant narwhal]

and no sights

[gleaming turtle]

And the XII is just a worse Vrak's VII, lol. I gotcha.

[vagrant narwhal]

not even iron sights XD

[worthy escarp]

Anyone know how to do the 'Long Bomb' Penance?

[gleaming turtle]

What am I looking for in terms of perks and blessings?

[gleaming turtle]

Is that the grenade one?

[worthy escarp]

Yeah

[native furnace]

Unyielding and Carapace.

[worthy escarp]

Need it for the black flak helm

[gleaming turtle]

Do the ammo raid mission, and just throw grenades at the start.

[eternal sable]

stand at the end of a bridge and throw nades

[gleaming turtle]

That is how I did it a year ago

[worthy escarp]

Do the Shredder frags count? As I normally use those

[serene sage]

easiest one to do it with

[gleaming turtle]

And blessings? Sorry for the questions, but like I said, I really do find the Helbore to be an enigma.

[native furnace]

No Respite is nice. So is the one that gives increased crit by aiming

[digital gazelle]

👀

[serene sage]

Surgical and Onslaught.

Surgical is almost non negotiable

[native furnace]

Yep, Onslaught is also S-tier

[gleaming turtle]

Alright, cool.

Appreciate the insight.

[serene sage]

now pray hardon doesn't kark it up

[dusty ferry]

Okay vets I need help in regards to blessings.. options:
A) Which one do I run? B) Do I take a blessing from one and put it on another C) Roll on a new knife?

[mortal horizon]

how is the agri braced right now?
in general what are the vets best full auto picks

[dusty ferry]

agrii braced is strong

Would recommend

[wanton dawn]

It is great

Not blessing dependent too

[worthy escarp]

Does it require the normal grenade? If so I'm struggling

[gleaming turtle]

Well, I did it before they had diff grenades.

[mortal horizon]

im a zealot knife user but i THINK executor doesnt work.
uncanny is the overall best knife blessing IMO. Lets you stack rending on headshots easily, rending backstab is good too depending on playstyle. but if you're not using the knife much for offense except when needed i think a bleed blessing would be ok for free dmg just depends. Precognition/meryc killer are also really strong, precog stronger bc finesse > weak spot. but also mercy killer needs to basically run the bleed talent on hit in right tree to be viable i think for vet

[dusty ferry]

That is a lot of help, thanks

[mortal horizon]

no worries

in general i favor damage + rending > bleed

[dusty ferry]

stare

[mortal horizon]

vets use knifes differently than zealots - and plenty of zealots swear by bleed builds. Knife is very versatile/personal. so there is room for preference outside of my opinion

Uncanny + precog is combo Josho reccomended me and ended up beign my favorite over alot of testing. But when i feel like having fun or playing a t4 maelstrom instead of a 5 once in a while I rock a bleed version with flesh tearer and + precog, uncanny, or mercy killer

[vagrant narwhal]

I mean vets get bleed for any melee hit, on your average target that doesn't mean much, but gainst bosses you can start to see that dmg tick by

[terse idol]

You can let Zealots do that thouhg

[mortal horizon]

ya, also depends if you're building for that talent or not

[unique sorrel]

Col and Agr IAGs see a lot of use and Agr has the best braced

[terse idol]

I mean ehh

I will say it'll be easier to talk about all this once the keystone update is here

[vagrant narwhal]

yes, true

[vagrant narwhal]

also true

[terse idol]

Vet going like the +1 bleed talent is fine

[mortal horizon]

also bleed doesnt stack with team. Whoever bleeds a target first "owns" the bleed. all their dmg bonuses etc apply, they get the dmg no on e else. Anyone else applying bleed after is just helping stack it for them.
this makes bleed a lot less attractive if someone else on your team is doing bleeds a lot

[terse idol]

It's just better on Zealot

[dusty ferry]

I think I will cope on this

[vagrant narwhal]

I mean theoretically not a problem given its a team game and such XD (not what the ogryns I just played with think tho mfs took all ammo )

[terse idol]

well second, we don't get bleed synergy iirc

[austere blade]

Looking for some advice for a general purpose build, Has Kantrael Lasgun and Chainsword

[terse idol]

A zealot building bleed talents is gonna be alot more useful than vet taking 1 bleed

Which...

Probably why I don't take it

[mortal horizon]

i just mean if you have a knife built around the idea of bleed and bleed dmg, and oyu have 80% of ogryn builds heavy attacking the boss first, you are getting 0 value out of that bleed for the most part. this to me makes a dedicated blessing on the weapon itself much less attractive - especailly as a vet who probably wont be on top of most targets in melee first to be the first one to bleed it

for me, precog and uncanny or rending backstab sounds like a good combo for vets

[serene sage]

I would go something like this instead

[mortal horizon]

precog can be mercy killer, if you have the bleed talent in your skill tree

[dusty ferry]

Okay the other one did not roll well.. take 2

[vagrant narwhal]

didn't you say that bleed would stack as if it was theirs? or maybe I misunderstand xD

[terse idol]

not 80 finesse

Knife is a finesse weapon

[twilit needle]

is recon mk 6d still good? I finally got the infernus blessing for it

[dusty ferry]

The finesse will never go 80

I can cope for it all I want

[mortal horizon]

it'll help keep it stacked, but max is 16 stacks and if the ogryn is also attacking it (or zealot or w/e) and applying bleed its already staying stacked

[terse idol]

I will

With rolls

[dusty ferry]

I will work work work with this

ree

[austere blade]

Appreciate it

[terse idol]

and mobi low

[mortal horizon]

this is useable, 69 first target is a bit of a shame but as long as its not a breakpoint you good

[cursive goblet]

Hey, I'm a new player recently hit 30. I am enjoying plasma and was wondering if this is a good buy. I have just enough for it.

[mortal horizon]

stats good otherwise

[terse idol]

how you gon' take a knife without max Finesse or mobi

Smmmmhhh

[mortal horizon]

you being picky over 73 finesse? lol i use a knife with like 45 mobility LOL

[dusty ferry]

I will work with it
also I guess we are close

[mortal horizon]

it wont be a difference

[terse idol]

[mortal horizon]

works just fine lol

[dusty ferry]

..pog?

[zealous wyvern]

so many knives

[serene sage]

You can switch Precision Strikes for Shock Trooper if you have ammo problem

Tinkered Frag nade is really strong and currently also bugged to give you stun immunity

Suppression Immunity is great so you can fire on those dense packs of Gunners, or just general chaff shooters.

The rest is pretty self explanatory.

[austere blade]

Neat

[terse idol]

gets' hot is also bretty goood

[mortal horizon]

hey this is pretty good. I like precog, but as long as you're using the bleed on hit talent (right bottom side vet tree) you can use mercy killer, and it'll basically always work - otherwise it does nothing.
if you're using that talent always, you can change both perks to maniac/flak
otherwise leave the unarmoured perk (will actually help on killing elite gunners etc quicker sometimes) and change mercy killer -> precog

[terse idol]

you'll probably also want blaze

[cursive goblet]

But it would be worth getting? Or should I wait for something better

[dusty ferry]

I am running bleed, yeah. But I forgot what are the other alternaives for the mercy killer blessing

[terse idol]

I'd get it, but I'd also find a 2nd opinion
GEtting t4 gets hot is pretty nice, but I dunno what the break point is when your damage mod is that low

[serene sage]

it's good as a starter plasma! gets hot is solid
damage is a bit sad but it's a plasma so it will kill things
buy it and when you have a better stat one, use this one for blessing removal.

[cursive goblet]

Alright

Cause the plasma I'm currently using is even more pathetic lol

[dusty ferry]

look out for volatile btw

[cursive goblet]

Thanks for the advice

[dusty ferry]

that is a good blessing to pair hot with

[rare current]

Y'know I'm wondering if the rightmost keystones are gonna be worth it if it means giving up Iron Will

[nimble sentinel]

anyone else having the worst luck trying to run a lasgun in aurics?

kinda bummed I feel forced into melee and I don't want to go in the zealot chat

[dusty ferry]

Question: is executor good for knife?

Also @mortal horizon I got my hands on Precog

[scenic bronze]

Bruh I just got sidefired by a trapper I don't know how to feel

[hollow turtle]

Lol its funny how this is a Mk IV

[mortal horizon]

My understanding is executor isn’t working properly. But you can test it maybe I haven’t in a while

[jade anvil]

need 1 for premade Heresy. Doing a penence
under 20 mins

[wanton dawn]

He, why not

I can spare a few minutes

[civic knot]

Is the kantrael shottie any good?

[quick burrow]

do u take deadshot with the vraks mk7 ?

[topaz lance]

You definitely can

[trail totem]

worth the melcoins?

[ruby totem]

Yes definitely

[zealous wyvern]

idk

i suppose

as a placeholder

sadly not even a IV blessing you can scrap later

[dusty ferry]

Would replace blaze away with volatile

[zealous wyvern]

but it is a good placeholder

[dusty ferry]

But buy

[zealous wyvern]

just need to replace one perk

[quick burrow]

wait what dont people tell you to take blaze away instead of volatile ?

[ruby totem]

I wouldn't really see the need to replace any blessing other than maybe upgrading gets hot at some point

Volatile sucks

keep blaze

[quick burrow]

u rarely fire the fully charged shots usually u just tap it

[zealous wyvern]

i love to charge it

[ruby totem]

Yea

[zealous wyvern]

surprised people do not do that more

[ruby totem]

Charging is generally a waste of ammo

[serene sage]

def lmao

[zealous wyvern]

it does cost a lot true

but it is very fun

and makes sure one hit does it all

in most cases anyway

[serene sage]

have you ever felt like playing a gamer but too tired to play

it's truly a tragedy

[sharp epoch]

I need a perfect plasma 😔

also apparently charge rate decreases damage over 73%

[ruby totem]

nope

79% is still great

[candid bridge]

what blessings do people like with devil claws?

[ruby totem]

I mean it does, but it's sporadic

79% is like top 5 or 6 %s you want

[sharp epoch]

every shot right

[ruby totem]

No, it goes in cycles

its weird

[gusty sonnet]

Fatshark coding strikes again

[sharp epoch]

😐

[ruby totem]

we just need to pin this lol

[serene sage]

where is that from lmao

[ruby totem]

79% is still over 100%

Idk probably some nerd

[sharp epoch]

so 80% is decent too

[ruby totem]

yep yep

it's like a 20 damage dif from 73%

of course people in here will tell you you might as well uninstall if you're going to use something like that but hey

it's perfectly fine imo lol

[sharp epoch]

time to make a plasma

[ruby totem]

and won't matter once it's patched

so remember that part especially lol

[sharp epoch]

once its patched is ammo the uhh

dump stat

[serene sage]

probably thermal res

[ruby totem]

I don't think plas has a dumpstat unfortunately lol

[serene sage]

for dumb stat

you want it hot no?

[ruby totem]

but thermal might be your best bet. It's marginal for the most part

[candid bridge]

what blessings do people like with devil claws? rampage and wrath?

[ruby totem]

I think it's like 14 heat uncharged on 80% resistance and like 18 heat uncharged on 60% ish

so you get like one more uncharged shot from 0 heat

but like Fox said, heat keeps the crits high

[sharp epoch]

alr thermal resist it is

[ruby totem]

ok yea pretty much

[serene sage]

im scared

for the fate of Confirmed Kills

imagine only having Out for Blood for toughness regen on Vet

[limpid hull]

any info on the new 3 keystones we have aside from the main keystones

[topaz lance]

So people have been saying its in the left tree

but I dont see it

[serene sage]

the icon for it is

yeah

[topaz lance]

where though?

maybe I'm blind

[clever niche]

Will it be still +25% ammo up there?

[serene sage]

upgrade node?

[limpid hull]

there are plenty of shit nodes they can remove, especialy toughness nodes can be combined

[serene sage]

oh wait that could be exhilarating takedowns

so confirmed kills can be higher up

[topaz lance]

My hopium is that they did that, ehilst removing at least 6 of the smaller ones

[visual kestrel]

they moved elite damage to right hand side instead of immune to suppression hmmmm might ruin my shout build

[topaz lance]

wait,does gameslantern have the wrong con for confirmed kill?

[topaz lance]

yeah it's an interesting choice

[gritty dock]

What is the recommended automatic machine gun?

[sharp epoch]

coluimnus infantry is nice

[gritty dock]

thx

[faint forge]

Best Blessings for the Devil's Claw Mk IV?

[queen quiver]

I can’t wait to see this chat if the keystones act as a nerf

[hollow turtle]

now I see how they truly buffed the MG IV

I can keep up with the others in Auric Damnation

[queen quiver]

Better than the MGXII?

[candid tundra]

anyone want to help me make a financial decision lol

[queen quiver]

Sure

[candid tundra]

I've got 6k melk bucks right now, and I'm considering getting this for brmomentum 4, it's 3.1k

it is worth that much to get the tier 4 blessing or nah

[sharp epoch]

for me it would be

[queen quiver]

I’d say no

[sharp epoch]

but i also have 80k melk bycjs

[hollow turtle]

A lot better actually. MG12 good, but it can't keep up with the CQB like I need it to.

[candid tundra]

HOW lol

[sharp epoch]

5 characters 👀

[hollow turtle]

Lol multi character grinding

I do 3. Mainly because I don't want to play zealot.

[sharp epoch]

5/5 thing is the weeklys done

[hollow turtle]

"Protagonist"

[candid tundra]

I have 4 currently

[hollow turtle]

Where's "Cameraman?"

[queen quiver]

This guy is feeding the entire inquisition information warfare machine

[sharp epoch]

I've seen people have 100k 🤷‍♂️

[candid tundra]

yeah 6k is what Im running off of

not a lot

[sharp epoch]

as you go on melk bucks become a lot less useful

so I'd say just grab it

[candid tundra]

ok sounds good

there's also a decimator 4 turtolsky for my zealot

not sure if I should get that too

[hollow turtle]

Now how did that happen.. I should have more diamantine.

[sharp epoch]

diamantine theft

[sharp epoch]

whats decimator do again?

[hollow turtle]

Lol the real problem is plasteel>diamantine

[candid tundra]

I have no idea

[vast flame]

yeah ive got like 68 plasteel and almost 10k diamantine

been upgrading alot of shit

[hollow turtle]

Lol

[candid tundra]

I was wrong, deathblow

[sharp epoch]

Deathblows the same as brutal momentum but its pretty good on heavy swords if you use that

[icy light]

Should i pick this up for Infernus to steal the blessing?

[sharp epoch]

😭

thats what i was saying

[austere mica]

how is this for a shovel

[dusty ferry]

Good shovel

But BM will need to replace one of the blessings

[signal laurel]

What’s the best roll for thelawbringer? Should I use executioners stance or the stealth one

People keep telling me it’s viable now. Trying to make a real high damage shotgun build

[austere mica]

don't have it, what should I put on the perks?

[dusty ferry]

25% damage to unyielding, carapace or flak

[austere mica]

thank

[dusty ferry]

Exec works but you don’t really need it. Stealth or shouty are also options. I think you need full bore, I forgot the other

[tawdry swan]

does slaughterer blessing go up to level 4?

[junior grail]

BM on Sapper Shovel??

[dusty ferry]

yes

[junior grail]

Lol

[south garnet]

should I up onslaught to 4, or sprint to flak?

also wtf, I haven't used a helbore in a while but did 3 always have input lag this badly? what the hell?

feels like a quarter second from hitting Lclick to it actually charging

[limpid hull]

yeah its crazy right, it only works right with onslaught. much much worse without it

once you get it going though, its going

[south garnet]

feels like starting a pull-start generator

messed up

[vagrant narwhal]

flak probs

or well depends on what you do typically I guess xD

[vagrant narwhal]

ye, wish they just made it regular semi with low fire rate or something but even that isn't accurate lore-wise

its meant to be a stronger but less ammo efficient than the other ones (forgor name)

[limpid hull]

when i did finally get the blessings, it was the weapon i got untouchable + 5 other penances on. If your aims on point, it will really serve you

also getting to know how much charge you need to kill what your looking at helps

its honestly a gun that deserves its own build. lots of skll expression

[gritty mirage]

emperor preserve me

[vale ledge]

Gentlemen, I need your help on something.

I need

A knife Guardsman Build

[south garnet]

this is the build I've been using with helbore

[limpid hull]

well

[south garnet]

not sure how kosher it is, threw it together to test

[serene sage]

does it have to be knife specficially =.=

[south garnet]

the +crit on dodge is prob overkill

[limpid hull]

its a very good build. if you need more toughness dmg resis, which i think is better, take the aura over the elite regen

[vale ledge]

YES

WERE DOING A SLY MARBO BUILD LADS

[serene sage]

sly marbo would use a dclaw tbh

[vale ledge]

WELL I WANNA APPLY A METRIC LOAD OF BLEED

[limpid hull]

also, the crit dodge is very good, but supression up at the top might be helpful

[serene sage]

#zealot-class is this way

[limpid hull]

slymarbo uses both from what i saw

i prefer knife

dclaw is okay

[viscid marlin]

dclaw 7 gang for life

[vale ledge]

I prefer knife because of the intimidation factor

[limpid hull]

Uh, I figured out a power knife, util knife, and bleed knife. I havent finished testing and build work but i have some info so far

I just think knife is neat

[vale ledge]

Cuz lets be honest

[serene sage]

why 7 over 4?

[viscid marlin]

the combos

[serene sage]

what combo?

[vale ledge]

It’s terrifying when the guardsman’s laughing over the mic as he just wiped out a horde with a fraggin knife

[limpid hull]

dclaw lacks heavy sword and dueling sword vibes, and i like those weapons flurish and style better

[viscid marlin]

@serene sage https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1AlB0XDF6uWQce/d1337U0UKKlM?invite=cr-MSw5YzAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

those

[limpid hull]

i wish Vet had some version of the Heavy or dueling swords. I dont know why we dont have dueling swords

[glacial peak]

power sword 6 is flakiac power cycler brumentum right?

[serene sage]

those are not exclusive to the 7 haha

[vale ledge]

I wish Psyker had a power sword

[viscid marlin]

heavy starts with a side sweep on 7, i just prefer that more

[limpid hull]

I thought carapace not flck

flak*

and then unyielding

[serene sage]

fair. i personally perfer the overhead start but preferences exist

[limpid hull]

I prefer dclaw 1

[viscid marlin]

i like that one too, but for single target i just use the parry on them if its bigger then a pox walker and the parry kills them in one hit usually and if not a light after

[limpid hull]

or whatever the horde sweeper version is

[serene sage]

@serene bough was that shotgun smoke infil build?

you're a bold one 💙

[drifting oak]

how good is 40% all or nothing on the weapons that can get it
Because veterans play with very low stamina very often

[serene bough]

yes it was

first time using smokes

[viscid marlin]

i take two stam curios on my veteran but i also use deadshot and duck n dive

[serene bough]

i can kill crushers in 60 years after i give them lung cancer for breathing in my grenades, its optimal

[limpid hull]

technically, it could be awesome with the 3s 60% power on hit blessing. but ive not tested it enough to give a solid answer

but i can say, Its power

not dmg. Power is Waaaaay better

Its a buff to EVERYTHING. as far as I know.

[serene sage]

the perfect strat

[drifting oak]

yeah, that's why I'm seriously looking at it

+40% base power as stamina depletes and I am very, very often fighting at bottom stamina on vet

however

[south garnet]

I have an axe I use with all or nothing and bm, I like it because I'm always "almost out" of stamina thanks to deadshot

[drifting oak]

The opportunity cost is one of either skullcrusher or decimator

and decimator is 50% power

once you get stuck in

skullcrusher is 20% more damage as soon as you start getting staggers

[south garnet]

decimator takes time to get going and if you miss one it resets, which is alright with tac axes because they're so fast but with the regular ones it takes forever feels like

[limpid hull]

noted

[south garnet]

whereas I'm already at no stamina when combat starts lol

[drifting oak]

yeah

[viscid marlin]

rip

[drifting oak]

that's what I'm thinking

[limpid hull]

its hard to get a good axe conversation going usually

[viscid marlin]

this is why i take double stam regen delay nodes. i shoot stamina faster then a chocolate addict on valentines day

[limpid hull]

just take +3 curios

[viscid marlin]

😂

i take 2

but it still goes up super fast

[drifting oak]

remind me

[limpid hull]

yeah, im running +3 x 3 and stamina regen on my curios. its nice

[sick marsh]

what blessing should I have on my heavy laspistol?

[drifting oak]

push resets decimator, right

[limpid hull]

does it?

[drifting oak]

i forgot

let's find out

[limpid hull]

thank you soldier

[distant idol]

60 bought and this is the only one that was in the 370's fml

[sick marsh]

try again later.

[drifting oak]

no, pushing does not interrupt decimator

missing does, though

and you will miss swings often when your allies help you

for example, turning to kill a mutie and then it dies and you whiff a swing

[viscid marlin]

i like ghost

and whatever the crit infernus is

[sick marsh]

wait so what 2 blessings woul dbe optimal?

[viscid marlin]

the crit fire stack one and something else i guess, there arent much in the way of damage perks for it

[vagrant narwhal]

there aren't many perks for it in general if I remember correclty

[viscid marlin]

^

[sick marsh]

does the laspistol share blessings with any other ranged weapons?

[spark hamlet]

I don’t think any blessings are shared

[sick marsh]

yeah not for the laspistol

[hybrid river]

They are between variants

[spark hamlet]

Oh really?

That’s good to hear

[hybrid river]

So the different infantry autoguns all share

[sick marsh]

thought it was between weapons of the same type

[spark hamlet]

I had… assumed it was all individual

[sick marsh]

so lasguns all share

[spark hamlet]

“Keep grinding, peasant”

[vagrant narwhal]

personally I enjoy ghost and reassuringly accurate or something along the lines

[spark hamlet]

I am very happy to be wrong ^.^

Do blessings share between classes for weapons

[serene sage]

All lasguns with the same name will share, regardless of variants (e.g. Helbores will share between its Mk I, II, and III but won't share with Kantrael or Recon).

Yes

[spark hamlet]

Wow

[serene sage]

There are shared between classes

[limpid hull]

I run crit fire and toughness on crit kill. works quite well for las pistol

[vagrant narwhal]

I just feel like the fire goes to waste a bit as you do lots of dmg regardless on any precision hit

not to mention

does the fire not steal any kills from which you could maybe get toughness??

[limpid hull]

I feel you, but it acts as a break point for those tougher guys, and is a great option if you dont have tools to push your dmg over that "edge" when you need it.

[velvet wraith]

is deathspitter any good on columnus

[vagrant narwhal]

fair, I usually have some crack granades or my trusty shovel for that kind of stuff

[limpid hull]

I imagine the worst case with the fire kill stealing. Which is why could build into the fire. Same on crit kill as well anyway. It creats consistency, what you dont kill, burns to death, what you do, heals you.

[vagrant narwhal]

use the pistol for dealing supression and killing range units (I mean obviously XD)

[sick marsh]

yeah ofc.

[umbral scaffold]

is this attack actually strikedown

[limpid hull]

im thinking of the range of breakpoints the weapon can individually accomplish. bleed, burn, rend and the like are tools utilized to accomplish those break points, when the weapons base power and values cannot.

I have not used the new shovel yet, wheres it good? and lacking?

[vagrant narwhal]

bleed? on lasgun? explain

[limpid hull]

it was a general statement about what those tools do.

[vagrant narwhal]

I mean, I have gone down the right and middle trees down at the end, been having a blast with it, very nice cc, and deals quite well against tougher units

especially if you run bleed/hit and then the attack speed bonus

helps you ramp up damage to those bigger targets

[elder vessel]

bought like 60 shovels today, 3 of which were above 360 and none went above 364. melk shop comes in, this is in it and i look like a clown

the very fact that it has decent base stats alone

[limpid hull]

melk really knows how to piss you off

[vagrant narwhal]

base stats are insanity yes xD

379 is not often seen

[elder vessel]

[vagrant narwhal]

but perks/blessings not quite there imo, would rather loose some stats for perks and blessings I like more

[limpid hull]

melee dmg and block effeciency?

[vagrant narwhal]

my shovel

[limpid hull]

mehh

block is good if your stamina is garbage

[serene sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1169780321617723403/image.png?ex=655fe052&is=654d6b52&hm=1a61754fddbe9edc20637755c349c2409e0aadb7e4cc35866b8c66aa6c5dc206&

My best shop yet

[vagrant narwhal]

mobility is ass yes, but I am happy otherwise xD

[limpid hull]

or you block a lot

[serene sage]

But I don't play gryn

[celest vine]

He blessed me with this

[vagrant narwhal]

gahd damn

you are right

[celest vine]

Im gonna see if he can give me headhunter 4

[vagrant narwhal]

that is a blessing xD

[celest vine]

Its the last infantry Lasgun blessing I need for the collection

[vagrant narwhal]

I have yet to start collecting many blessings

[celest vine]

Nope not today

[vagrant narwhal]

need to go into damnation and start grinding them out

[celest vine]

🗿

[limpid hull]

I just started that train. 460 hrs in

[celest vine]

Its just one more fucking blessing

Its all I need

[limpid hull]

I hate when they hold the Mid tier blessings hostage

giiiiiiivvee itt tooooo meeeeee

[midnight wing]

Lol I've been trying for a month to get uncanny on a shovel

[celest vine]

Just 1 more blessing

Thats it

🗿

Across vet, psyker, and zealot not one had a lasgun with that blessing

[elder vessel]

Get another human character

[blissful fractal]

Best plasma gun damage stat 💀

[vagrant narwhal]

what the fuck

how even

XD

id be mad if you don't keep that just for the fucking flex ngl

[blissful fractal]

🗿

[vagrant narwhal]

or I guess

[blissful fractal]

i will never sell this

[vagrant narwhal]

good

I have never seen such a low number XD

lowest ive seen was 46 I think

actually lie

[blissful fractal]

thats what im sayin

[vagrant narwhal]

lower in some of the early game weapons thats bout it Xd

[blissful fractal]

Im lvl 30 on this character

I need a darktide dev to weigh in on this

[vagrant narwhal]

XD

also I meant lower than 40 in early game weapons

not than 5

[blissful fractal]

i wanna know if I have currently pulled the worst weapon in the game

Surely there are files on it

[elder vessel]

Still 1 shots Shotgunners

[blissful fractal]

So true

[candid tundra]

is sunder better than brmomentum on a power cycler sword?

[runic ferry]

what is my fellow vet's thoughts on this lil toy in the new pictures in the latest devlog

[celest vine]

FUCKING FINALLY

THE LAST BLESSING

HEADHUNTER 4

[dreamy lantern]

psure its used as a prop on a map before, don't get your hopes up

(think its one of the map intros, theres a dead sniper with a longlas next to em)

[empty creek]

gem or coal

[celest vine]

Coal needs onslaught

[runic ferry]

delusions are the only thing I have left

[late hatch]

pretty good. stab is usually the dump. onslaught is amazing on HB

[dapper vessel]

get surgical over infernus

[celest vine]

Mk2 in specific

Look at this beautiful thing

Its perfect

[dapper vessel]

its a shame you have falter locked in

[late hatch]

surgical is a love or hate thing. i dont take long to aquire targets so i hate surgical. it just slows me down too much

[dapper vessel]

you dont want dudes's heads to stagger around while youre trying to secure kills

[empty creek]

im using this thing like a normal rifle instead of being a range freak, the falter helps w/ crowds since im still aiming head-height

it's pretty useful against groups of maniacs on auric damnation

[late hatch]

falter is only good vs ogryns and stuff really

[empty creek]

naw, it's subjective (like everything else)

i got a 2nd good mk2 so im gonna try & get that up w/ onslaught & flak

pray the other perks R good

[late hatch]

opportunity cost is a thing. but yeah, use what you are comfy with, and what fits your style.

[fathom edge]

the power cycler grind continues :/

[merry oak]

Bayonet and shovel best melee

[celest vine]

Can you get slaughterer on chainsword?

[serene bough]

no

you can get rampage though

[spark hamlet]

Ooft

Might’ve maybe possibly pulled power cycler 4 from melk the other week

[fathom edge]

melk is unique to each person if thats what you mean

[serene bough]

i got my power cycler t4 from big E himself

[fathom edge]

sometimes the emp does protect

[mellow adder]

Is this fine for a cleaving Crowd Control chainsword?

[serene bough]

and then other times

[fathom edge]

dammit

[dapper vessel]

I would say switch Wrath to Rampage

Rampage is a power increase, NOT just damage.

if you havent already know, power is damage, cleave, and stagger.

Wrath is also harder to maintain, you lose all stacks if you miss an attack

[teal abyss]

He can’t, it’s locked

[languid escarp]

wait 70% brittleness that your whole team can take advantage of?

[dapper vessel]

Savage Sweep is locked not Wrath

[dapper vessel]

Brittleness is 2.5% rending per stack. Not 5%

[dapper vessel]

so thats 35% rending that you apply to an enemy which benefits the whole team

[languid escarp]

then the tooltip is misleading?

it says 14 stacks of 5% brittleness

[dapper vessel]

First thing you gotta know about Fatshark's tooltips. You DONT trust Fatshark's tooltips

[winter dock]

Look at this randomly generated abomination

[spark hamlet]

For a John darktide mg12 sharpshooter build, what would your ideal power sword be

[midnight patrol]

I still am not sure how to make the heavy attack swings from the chain sword reliable.

It swings diagonally, so I can't reliably headshot mobs. But I can't get all of them either. And it can miss mobs outside the swing angle infront of you.

[winter dock]

s h o v e l

[teal abyss]

Can’t you only mod an item twice? It has two wrench symbols. Or is it like slots and you can change anything in the Wrath or Flak Armoured enemies space but not the other two? Never tried it past twice

[spark hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-5292336

[dapper vessel]

Yeah any of the perk and blessing slot that you specifically modify, can be modified for as many times as you want, just need the resources for it

[spark hamlet]

How could I forget about shovel

[teal abyss]

Ahhhhj good to know, thank you. Mb

[spark hamlet]

Ok - what’s the ideal shovel for a john darktide mg12 point and click adventure

[midnight patrol]

Shovel is low key amongst the best weapons for truly holding off mobs. You can't do shit to heavy armour. But when I'm defending a squadmate while they're hacking, shovels keeps them clear like nothing else

Shovel bonk strong

[empty creek]

fellas when it's cold out

[empty creek]

im never getting onslaught 4 ever

😢

[winter dock]

well

you can permanently unlock onslaught three I guess

[empty creek]

i already have it

i wish trading guns was a thing

[carmine karma]

@empty creek You'll get it just keep going. I just got shred 4 for my zealot today

[spark hamlet]

I think people in #psyker-class will be better suited to answer that

[fathom edge]

oh my bad

[empty creek]

anybody else have this issue

[fathom edge]

im usually in there

[late hatch]

the gears show what you have changed and can be changed again. once 2 have been changed the otehr 2 lock

[spark hamlet]

No worries fam

[south prairie]

This man plays a psyker!

[empty creek]

@fathom edge we're going 2 kill U

[south prairie]

Look at him! Look at him and laugh!

[empty creek]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[fathom edge]

hey i didnt ping it

[grand pumice]

Yo veteran gaming, this is gonna sound super fucking goofy, but how should i build a Infiltrator build without using shotgun (preferably recon lasgun) and combat blade or devils claw,

[fathom edge]

to be fair, i have more missions on my vet from ye olden day than i do my pysker

[serene bough]

Basically just take stealth and the threat reduction perk

[late hatch]

laspistol or c5, chainsword or mk6 PS

[grand pumice]

Ight

[serene bough]

If you're going for a mostly ranged with some melee benefits you may as well invest in Repricosity

[carmine karma]

No u answer the question & u do it now😂

[late hatch]

laspistol is awesome up close, agile and reciprocity are almost mandatory for me on every build.

[serene bough]

then just grab all the relevant damage perks from Squad Leader tree and precision strikes from sharpshooter

[restive mountain]

These tree picks bout to be redundant with the vet tree rework coming soon

[late hatch]

soon tm

we live in the now not the future

[restive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891

[grand pumice]

For now is what i need

Ill cross that bridge

When it gets here

[restive mountain]

First you must make a pilgrimage.

There you will seek your answers.

[grand pumice]

Lol

Will do

[restive mountain]

There's a website, I dunno if it's posted here.

But there's builds for just about any weapon combo and playstyle you'd want

I think it's Gameslantern

[spark arrow]

Do we have any images of the updated trees?

[rose sail]

only the keystones were teased

[mellow adder]

This fine for a revolver?

[serene bough]

Trickshooter makes me want to gag

but otherwise its okay

[vast flame]

yeah its not bad but crucian roulette wouldve been better than trick

[spark hamlet]

What where the perks?

[mellow adder]

Reload and stam

[vast flame]

given the stopping power of the revolver, you are very unlikely to chain shots

[serene bough]

not to mention revolver 1HKOs so many things

[vast flame]

yeah like it works for crushers and monsters but like thats it

maybe maulers

[serene bough]

you're better off looking for a revovler w/ surgical on it

hand-cannon and flak/maniac are good choices though

[vast flame]

surgical or crucian

even with 5 shots, crucian can help a bit

[midnight patrol]

Surgical and handcanon are the perfect combos

You can guarantee that your revolver is a railgun lol

[mellow adder]

I sometimes use a revolver on my psyker and I can guarantee that it's a railgun lol

[midnight patrol]

Run Deadshot talent, aim for one or two seconds

Delet

[vast flame]

laz pistol on psyker is dynamite

[midnight patrol]

Unironically gunker is amazing

[vast flame]

gunker, thats great

[midnight patrol]

I swapped out her revolver for a columnus to do 40k damage on bosses lol

[vast flame]

Better than Psyun

beholdn't

[mellow adder]

but yhea

I would prefer crucian roulette because thats what I have on my psykers revolver

[vast flame]

tell ya what really takes heads? the Vraks Mk VII headhunter

[mellow adder]

but I still hit good chain shots

[vast flame]

Pog weapons

[midnight patrol]

My laspistol can push 40k damage too yeah lol

[serene bough]

the laspistol is a bit ridiculous at times

in a good way\

[vast flame]

aye

[midnight patrol]

I love the voice lines for going stealth for the Vet though

[serene bough]

i thought it was already doing pretty good previously but now with the damage and fire rate buffs its basically an SMG

[midnight patrol]

One of them even has rhe Vet reassuring the team he'll be back later lol

[spark arrow]

It's the closest thing to pre nerf recon 6d

[languid escarp]

seems counterintuitive, doesn't stagger make it harder to hit weak spots

[midnight patrol]

The ammo pool of the laspistol is a bit iffy though

[vast flame]

bigger targets like crushers and bulwarks who dont fall when shot, it works good on

4 - 5 headshots on a crusher

[serene bough]

yeah it runs out of ammo pretty quick

but like

you can whip it out immediately and just start spraying at the hip at a back of shooters, gunners, or shotgunners and they'll melt like butter

[vast flame]

laspistol with infernus is nutty

[serene bough]

it may even be a bit better

[glacial peak]

ok which one do i swap for power cycler and which one do i swap for maniac?

[vast flame]

Brutal for PC

[serene bough]

at least with recon you needed to invest in rending perks to make it shine, whereas the laspistol is already great right out of the box

[vast flame]

Critical hit dmg for maniac

imo

[serene bough]

this one's debatable

[plush jetty]

WHat's your guy opinion of this kind of gun ? (not the stats)

[serene bough]

because the PSVI does some pretty nutty weakspot damage

[vast flame]

boy let me tell you, its a fuckin head taker

[serene bough]

id probably do what angoose said though just because you have rampage t4 on it

[midnight patrol]

The Vraks VII is basically my Vet's service rifle

[vast flame]

I could write a book on the vrak VII

[midnight patrol]

Nothing else comes close to its ability to be a point and click adventure

[glacial peak]

is this one better or worse than the other one

[midnight patrol]

From 10 meters out to 60. It will consistently one or two headshot

[vast flame]

only wish i could put an acog or reddot on it

[glacial peak]

like i have power cycler 4

how important is cleave damage?

[midnight patrol]

In a pinch it can be quite reliable at chest shots too

[vast flame]

cleave is handy for groups

[midnight patrol]

Unlike the infantry lasguns that really suffer once in close range

[vast flame]

and for continuing swings through heavier targets

[serene bough]

a charged PS can cleave though everything pretty easy

[vast flame]

exactly

[serene bough]

you'll only struggle for things like crushers and mauler clusters

[vast flame]

crusher and mauler clusters require one thing KRAK

[serene bough]

and even in that situation, you'll still be able to cleave them but only chip away at their HP

[plush jetty]

What's your take on Kantrael MG XII vs the Vraks Mk VII Headhunter ?

[vast flame]

brutal momentum is handy for crusher squads

Headhunter is better

Vraks accels on all armor types

Las dips on unarmoured units

[spark hamlet]

Las had ammo efficiency going for it I guess

[vast flame]

Ammo efficiency is nice if the numbers didnt lie, you fire once and its like 2-3 rounds in the mag

[spark arrow]

I mean if you really want to you can

[plush jetty]

Do you mean the lasgun is less effective on flesh but better on armor while the Headhunter is equally effective on all types ?

[vast flame]

if you handed me a helbore and a vraks, id take the vraks, imo

[serene bough]

@glacial peak

[stuck bridge]

It still has more shots it's a double lie.

Also larger mags so less reloading

[vast flame]

correct feuer

[trail totem]

emps gift after not playing a single veteran match for half a year

[grand pumice]

They dont have much for what i was looking for lol

[winter dock]

Am extremely angry. QP is brutal sometimes. How can there be so many people queing into auric who are so bad. One game I had a guy bitching at me to switch to melee and dive into an open room filled with well over 20 shooters and multiple gunners/reapers. As if I would make it even 3 fucking steps before dying to gunfire. "Throw a grenade" he says, I have fucking KRAKS.

Second team me and one other guy would be left on the ground by the two ogryns whenever we went down- ever. I got jumped by a pack of 5 ragers that spontaneously apparated as part of a horde because of fucked spawn logic, and they killed me instantly. They didn't even look in my direction. At least use the distraction to kill the ragers instead of just dying to them afterwards cuz you ignored them.

Last team was some kind of 3 man that was speedrunning (but not set to private for some ungodly reason) and was just straight up ignoring all the resources on the map. I had to pass an ammo crate and several boxes of ammo/grenades before falling so far behind trying to pick up their slack that I would be abandoned on a one-way drop.

its aggravating

[vast flame]

jesus fucking paragraph batman

[spark arrow]

Iirc it's the other way around no? Ballistics handle flak better and Las handles unarmored better. Both struggle at carapace unless you have some kind of rending

[serene bough]

one pushstab already does half its HP

[winter dock]

if you think that's a paragraph boy howdy do I have a rude awakening for you

[midnight patrol]

Headhunter is very effective on unarmoured and flak

[vast flame]

yeah its been a shitshow tonight, had two fuckheads piss off the DH twice

[midnight patrol]

It suffers against maniacs

[winter dock]

mostly cuz maniacs can't stop shaking their damn heads.

Muties don't have a head- just a zit on their torso

[serene bough]

full combo

[vast flame]

Consistent numbers top to bottom except Unyield and Maniac

and of course carapace but i dont count that

[midnight patrol]

Oh, glad I'm not the only one with this problem xD

My Vraks would be still good on them if I could land headshots. But zoomy bois with crack addiction spams.

[vast flame]

vraks with Deadshot talent is the thing to do

[midnight patrol]

Mhmm, it uses up fairly little stam due to its semi auto nature

[vast flame]

Duck and Dive is the solution to that

30% stam back on dodge

[willow badger]

emperors blessing gave me a power cycler iv for free

[midnight patrol]

@vast flame

[willow badger]

too bad already had it

[restive mountain]

[midnight patrol]

This is the true pog columnus

[vast flame]

indeed me boiyo

[willow badger]

that is indeed poggers

[vast flame]

i tried the columnus, not for me

[midnight patrol]

I kinda wish its on my Vet.

[willow badger]

this is my pdw

[restive mountain]

I've had the last instance happen to me on psyker

[midnight patrol]

Would make a stealth build one funni

[vast flame]

Agranippa braced is my jam however

[restive mountain]

Had 3 speed run zealots

And they were all bitching about me keeping up

Like bro

YOU HAVE FASTER MOVEMENT SPEED THAN ME

AND INVIS

Needless to say when we got to the finale after ignoring all enemies

They all died

[vast flame]

my pdw

[restive mountain]

Blamed me

[willow badger]

what to do about this

[restive mountain]

And reported me

[vast flame]

Autopistol is the street sweeper

glock with the switch

[midnight patrol]

What do you wanna do with it?

[willow badger]

never actually run shotgun in a match before

[midnight patrol]

Its a solid roll so it'll deffo be worth investing

[vast flame]

the fire shotgun is the superior strap

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh, well, the Agri is more of a lever action rifle than a shotgun

[willow badger]

lawbringer?

[midnight patrol]

Treat it as such

[vast flame]

Kantrael is the fire shotty

[willow badger]

so special action slug elites mostly?

[midnight patrol]

Very hard hitting on headshots, load slugs from when beyond 30 meters

[midnight patrol]

At long range yeah, at short range the pellets are more than enough

Just aim for body or headshots, and top off that magazine religiously

[willow badger]

ye the reload scares me

[finite imp]

brick

[willow badger]

any particular talents to run it with?

[midnight patrol]

Full bore and flechette

Both proc hilariously often with deadshot

[finite imp]

What he said ^

[midnight patrol]

Flecheete on a monster can stack up to like

500 damage per second bleeds.

[finite imp]

i still havent unlocked flechette kms

[willow badger]

time to farm shotties then

[midnight patrol]

So you're reloading and doing more damage than the silly psyker using a staff on it next to you lol

[willow badger]

do all the blessings between shotties share

[midnight patrol]

Nope!

[willow badger]

or do i have to farm agris specifically

fk

[midnight patrol]

One sec lemme show you what I picked up myself

[dapper vessel]

yes they do

[midnight patrol]

They do?

[dapper vessel]

yes

[midnight patrol]

Huh...

[dapper vessel]

kantrael agrippina and lawbringer are part of the same shotgun family

[midnight patrol]

What about the Agri?

[dapper vessel]

yeah if you sacrifice a blessing from a lawbringer, that sacrificed blessing can be applied to agrip and kantrael

and vice versa

[midnight patrol]

Interesting..

@willow badger

Your stat rolls are honestly better, but you look for those blessings

[hazy helm]

is there a veteran equivalent to the ogrynomicon over in #ogryn-class ?

perused the pins and a couple searches, didnt see anything

[spark hamlet]

For blessing sharing, is one way to check going o er to the commissary and seeing what a weapon skin applies to?

[jaunty sphinx]

melk cooking or no

[willow badger]

based alright

i still need to farm surgical as well

so much farming to do 🦗

[hidden reef]

Wonder if its the same 3 speedy zealots i ran into yesterday lol
I managed to nipe most of the specials spawning that they were ignoring, but the ones i couldnt catch all ended up back in the closet and all popped out right in a chokepoint and basically instagibbed one of em and nearly got the other 2 lol

[restive mountain]

No idea

But I seem to find out damn near most knife users vet or zealot

Seem to just be scum of the Earth

I dunno what it is about the knife, but it seems to attract some of the most unlikeable people on the planet

[brisk ruin]

Finally a passable Power Sword

[spark hamlet]

Daaaaamn

[junior needle]

I found the knoife to be not very good but relaxing to use

[brisk ruin]

rip cleave damage

[trail totem]

whats better sunder or brutal momentum

[junior needle]

At least if I’m doing light spam, which I always do

[brisk ruin]

BM seems to be BIS right now

from what I've been hearing anyway

[late hatch]

knife is a playstyle, you should be looting the sides, covering the rear, and being mobile and helping where its needed. unfort most people play knife like headless chickens and just sprint around stabbing things and agroing half the map and bringing it back to their team

[brisk ruin]

Gotta get the most damage yo

[late hatch]

bromentum is very good on a few weaps. so for the paul/crusher with bromentum you can apply epicenter damage to all targets cleaved

[cold shell]

do I want dumdum on the recon lasgun?

[midnight patrol]

oookay. Uh

I can see whay you guys like the Kant shotgun

Frechette and the incendiary shells

[late hatch]

depends on if you are gonna use it like an smg or more like an AR

dumdum is fairly short range

[cold shell]

probably like an AR

[cold shell]

close range is like 20 meters, no?)

[late hatch]

for dumdum im pretty sure its like 10-12.5 or something?\

[willow badger]

wow this agri can fucking snipe

[late hatch]

yes shotgun is best sniper rifle

game design very good

[cold shell]

it's the vermintide handgun and you welded a shotgun to it

[serene sage]

the we have bolt action sniper rifle at home gun

[willow badger]

damn it knocks the bulwarks shield away too

[serene sage]

why are you describing the bolter?

[midnight patrol]

Yup! It'll one tap anything human sized to the head

Hell even Maulers and crushers go down in one or two shots

If you sneak in a crit you can sometimes get funny one taps

Okay crushers sometimes its more like three, but they get bowled over from the sheer stagger

[hollow turtle]

For the amount of times I do the hacking minigame in infil, I want to make an expert technician looking veteran...
Mainly because the only that kills me is a sniper that I wasn't aware of..

https://tenor.com/view/kats-death-gif-20015265

[pine snow]

worth investing in?

my other plasma gun doesnt have very good damage/stopping power

[spark hamlet]

340 base stats makes me skeptical

[pine snow]

yeah, 340 aint great but i think i have the stats on the only 3 i need right?

[midnight patrol]

The ammo stat is a bit iffy

[pine snow]

this is my other one

[brisk ruin]

I did not need to see a stock on a plasma gun tonight but here I am

[pine snow]

lmao

i want gets hot for the 2nd blessing right

[serene sage]

Bolter with pike bayonet is probably the least tech hetesy you can commit

[pine snow]

cuz hadron was nice to me

[brisk ruin]

Dang. Jealous

[pine snow]

its ok she did this travesty to my old one

[brisk ruin]

I guess I got a decent enough power sword tonight. Maybe I'm asking for too much

[willow badger]

sshow

[brisk ruin]

I like how you didn't even bother finishing it

[brisk ruin]

this one

I still have my profane 379 plasma with 80s and 79s in everything except Stopping. Stopping has 60. I cry

[pine snow]

i just saw the perk/blessings i got and was like yeah no

[pine snow]

take the risk

give it to hadron to probably murder

[brisk ruin]

What risk? Stopping power is 60, it's already trash

[pine snow]

oh 60 stopping

oh

nvm

that's tragic

[brisk ruin]

The only reason to upgrade it is to maybe get Blaze Away IV to turn in

[pine snow]

hadron was nice enou gh to do this to my bolter

i dont have anything to swap the blessing with tho

[brisk ruin]

You will eventually. Still a good thing to have for later

[pine snow]

yeah fs

[brisk ruin]

I don't even know what blessings you put on a Bolter

[novel nimbus]

Do we know what the new veteran tree is gonna look like yet?

If so: Link please!

[pine snow]

i think i saw an image of the new keystones but i need to look

[brisk ruin]

this is my current Plasma. I think it's like 512 now with Gets Hot III and uh... idk, the brittleness one. Had to refine both perks so no Blaze Away. It'll do for now I guess

The Vet keystones are hilarious. Like the rest of the vet tree, two of the three are mid and the other is auto pick

[sharp epoch]

I feel like the keystones are you gotta be doing tricks and juggling to even get bonuses

[serene bough]

keystones arent final yet so ill wait till released

but yeah so far looks like its a landslide pick

[midnight mortar]

Proof they just don't know what to do with Veteran.

[brisk ruin]

I just hope the rearrange some of the rest of tree. Can barely hit all the must have nodes as it is

Don't put extra ammo at the end of the tree please

[sharp epoch]

Meanwhile Ogryn keystone is like here 25% damage, or here 25% toughness resist and replenishment

[brisk ruin]

The keystone that resets on moving is really stupid. Should reset on taking damage or something like that. Movement is uh... sort of important in this game. Especially when the game likes to spawn 20 ragers, 5 crushers, 7 flamers and 80 trappers all at the same time

[sharp epoch]

I think they're gonna move ammo and toughness replenishment to the top for sure, but they'll prob get rid of nodes that have to do with the keystones

[midnight patrol]

We failed this run. But sniper shotgun living up to its name lol

[sharp epoch]

Yeah it's camo vet level of bad game design

[brisk ruin]

Also, today I learned the scoreboard mod is not consistent between players.

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Ah yes, the horde clear knife

[sharp epoch]

that scoreboard makes my eyes hurt 😹

[stone birch]

Hmmm, what would y'all consider good pair offs for power cycler 4 on a Psword?

[midnight patrol]

I have OCD levels of knowing what I have done lol

[brisk ruin]

Brutal Momentum

[dapper vessel]

Rampage, slaughteter, brutal momentum, Sunder

[mystic belfry]

Brutal momentum

[candid tundra]

which version of the devil's claw is the best?

[stone birch]

aight, tyty y'all.

[junior needle]

Brutal gives the (perhaps unintended) benefit of giving first target damage to multiple targets

[sharp epoch]

It don't show like revives or downs, and more importantly no plasteel pickups???

[stone birch]

Hunt for brutal takedown, roger...

[midnight patrol]

I got rid of those lol

[junior needle]

Any tier of brutal will do honestly

[mystic belfry]

if you don't know about it yet, best combo for your power sword on single targets is push attack light

[candid tundra]

anyone know

[junior needle]

The tiny amount of weakspot damage difference very likely won't change anyting for you

[mystic belfry]

There's a breakpoint you hit with 12.5% weakpoint but I forgot what it was

[sharp epoch]

4

[candid tundra]

aye thanks

[stone birch]

i'm no expert, but I like mark 4 cuz you get a bushido style overhead that does work

[brisk ruin]

Shouldn't be unintended. No hit mass on kill means as far as the weapon is concerned, they were never there to begin with. Next target is seen as the first thing with hit mass

At least, that's how I see it

[junior needle]

1 for straight horizontal heavies, 4 if you like light attack spam (and similar horizontal clear but you need to alternate heavies and lights)

[candid tundra]

is for better for hordeclear?

[junior needle]

Light spam is inferior for horde clear unfortunately

[candid tundra]

also how do they do for armor piercing? any good at all?

[junior needle]

Heavies can do "ok" for crushers but the parry is where it's at

[mystic belfry]

You wanna counter attack for armor damage

[brisk ruin]

As long as it can parry ragers

[sharp epoch]

the only way their killing armor is parries

[stone birch]

using any catachan blade for heavy work on armored foes is guaranteed to get you a serving of nurgle soup. the parry is good in a pinch tho

[mystic belfry]

Or just bring an armor damage gun

[brisk ruin]

plasma

[stone birch]

or stub revolver, yeah

[mystic belfry]

Or revolver ye

[candid tundra]

so 1 is better for hordeclear, 4 is better for versatility?

[stone birch]

yes

[junior needle]

That's how it's working in practice, but at the same time, it doing that is boosting its clear massively even against other horde clear blessings

[candid tundra]

isn't there a 3rd one?

[stone birch]

mark 7. not used it tbh lol

[junior needle]

7 has a wonky moveset and most people do not like it

[candid tundra]

right

[junior needle]

Apparently it has better parry damage or something

[candid tundra]

so does the alternating heavy-light on the 4 have better hordeclear than the 1's heavy spam?

[junior needle]

Not really, they're about the same, one just needs less attention to use

[dusk idol]

the moveset for 7 is just the reverse of 4, they're not too different aside from that

[mystic belfry]

I mostly just like devil's claw for countering when my stamina is empty tbh

[candid tundra]

right, so it's ideal to take the 4 just cause it has that overhead strike for elites and such, whereas the 1 is less versatile

[dusk idol]

do you have hand cannon on your revolver?

[mystic belfry]

What build you running for melee vet? Haven't messed with it much yet tbh

[dusk idol]

gotcha

[empty creek]

of all of the guns ive made so far, this is probably the best 1 so far

[mystic belfry]

ty