veteran-class

[kind scarab]

Ofc

Throw it at hadron and pray your asscheeks off that you get at least 1 good blessing or perk

[sinful cave]

maybe i should just try a standard lazgun instead of hellbore

[versed ermine]

Hell yeah

[spark hamlet]

wait taht's maniacs not mutants

[kind scarab]

That's the same thing

[sinful cave]

bruh

[spark hamlet]

maniacs is flamers/bombers/trapeprs etc

[kind scarab]

Maniac = any enemy that runs at you without worrying about it's life

[versed ermine]

Maniacs are a bigger pain in the arse than mutants

[sharp ember]

mutants are maniacs

[sinful cave]

mutants are maniacs lmao

[versed ermine]

Damn, TIL

[spark hamlet]

....shaddup xD

[kind scarab]

Pretty sure bomber don't count as maniac

[iron marten]

too bad dogs are infested enemies

[spark hamlet]

yeah bobmers are flak but point is

[sinful cave]

maniacs: flamers, half the ragers, mutants trapper?

[sharp ember]

that's because bomber is a coward

[spark hamlet]

i thought it was a bad perk not a great one

[sinful cave]

maniac is a pretty meta perk i think the most generic combo u want is flak and maniac

[spark hamlet]

yeah

[kind scarab]

It's great specifically because it helps with mutties and ragers

[spark hamlet]

10)%

100%*

*places on hadron's desk&

[iron marten]

unless you're running a weapon with stopping power modifier

[south spindle]

LMAO

No

[spark hamlet]

"whatever you do to this, i do to yo"

[south spindle]

Its one/two tap on Mutie

[iron marten]

stopping power affects flak damage, so just do maniac and unyielding

[kind scarab]

She gonna make it a weapon that stays at home, and doesn't see the battlefield

[sinful cave]

i wonder if they will ever buff recon lasguns again i have something for hadron 2 brick

[kind scarab]

You should have been more specific

You played yourself

[ruby veldt]

is longshot worth using over Field Improv on a support shotgun build?

[spare wolf]

Yes but you need a lot of pre requisition

[kind scarab]

Next update, I believe recon gun is going to be pretty funny

[kind scarab]

Rip

[versed ermine]

It's not that bad

[sinful cave]

bro 3 inputs is not alot

[versed ermine]

Just swap the blessings

[iron marten]

god I hope so, I spent alot of plasteel on patch13 making a good 6d recon, now it's gathering dust for me

[spark hamlet]

i'm thinking swap infested for carapace and falter for opening salvo

[spare wolf]

Some of the melee weapons of zealots doesn't even need those 3 tho

[kind scarab]

Nah

[sinful cave]

you need alot of pre requisition with thunder hammer u need to activate, heavy and hold it until thrust stacks

[kind scarab]

Switch both blessings if you're sticking with that

[spark hamlet]

what blessings would you take

[spare wolf]

True

[versed ermine]

Swap Falter for Deadly Accurate

[kind scarab]

You'll only miss out on cara damage, but will be able to oneshot everything else otherwise

HH + Deadly accurate

[spare wolf]

But you kinda forced to go with dash skill tech tree

[kind scarab]

Then you'll be fine against anything that ain't Cara

[spare wolf]

To make crusher really useful

And i like spiritual fortitude more so

Eh.

[kind scarab]

My guy, your argument is that you need a build for specific weapons to work

That applies to almost all weapons

[spare wolf]

It doesn't

Some of the melee weapons requires far less pre requisition than this

Due to their blessings/how they works in the game

[sinful cave]

needing good blessings is needing a good/specific build

[wanton dawn]

Some weapon are super blessing dependent. Some are not

[spare wolf]

Well yes

[south spindle]

You need + Maniac and Skullcrusher. I wouldnt call that a lot of pre-requisites myself

[kind scarab]

Crusher is not blessing dependent. So I'd argue it's the easiest thing to build tbh.

[spark hamlet]

I'll give this a whirl and see how it goes

infested is what, hounds and pox walkers?

[spare wolf]

If they didn't change how skullcrusher works it kinda only works for light attacks

[south spindle]

Certianly not compared to the majority of weapons which need specific blessings to hit any relevant breakpoints

[kind scarab]

I can tell you it'll work perfectly, esp if you have the 30% HS node

[south spindle]

It works on all attacks

[spare wolf]

Did you know how skullcrusher works

[south spindle]

[spare wolf]

You have to hit really fast to benefit from additional dmg

Otherwise the stack is gone

Test it yourself

[south spindle]

All you have to do is stagger them slightly an you're getting a boost, when the weapon in question is like Crusher, floors the guy in a single hit, its free damage

[spark hamlet]

remind me where that node is?

[sinful cave]

is this not super out of date btw? im suprised its still pinned

[kind scarab]

Bottom left tree for Vet

Right after deadshot

[spare wolf]

You obviously don't know how skullcrusher works

[kind scarab]

which you should be running with the Mk12 anyway

For more crits

[karmic musk]

The real question is why the Zealot got their "police stun baton" and not the Vet

[spare wolf]

Go to the meat grinder

[south spindle]

My guy.. what are you smoking?

[spark hamlet]

ah yep - I see it

[spare wolf]

And hit stuff with skullcrusher blessing on

[south spindle]

I so much as tap a rager an my damage does from 700ish weakspot to over a grand

[spare wolf]

What are you smoking on?

You obviously don't even know how skullcrusher works

Go test it

Stop wasting time here

[south spindle]

Im starting to think you're just trolling at this point

[spare wolf]

Just go test it bro

[south spindle]

Obviously clueless

[gusty sonnet]

Dude he is right.

[sharp ember]

absolutely, if it increases the distance you get 1 headshot kills. Field Improv can be rare to get value from because a regular medpack could be good enough

[ruby veldt]

I actually just ended up dumping the extra grenade for it cause of the regen

[sharp ember]

yeah personally i would prefer extra grenade

unless i'm partied with a nuke grenade ogryn i'm cooperating with

[opaque crane]

Crit lawbringer looking for flak + maniac on perk?

[ruby veldt]

oh yeah I watched Josho nuke stuff on a scab only auric, was pretty nuts

[sharp ember]

can never go wrong with that

[wanton dawn]

I had a game recently where ppl put 2 ammo crates during end event with improved blitz. One of em had field improv. I took the opportunity

[opaque crane]

🤘

[south spindle]

Here ya go. Both hits with H1, one is before SC proc, second one is block cancel into H1 again. 800 - 1000

[dusk idol]

what is your build?

[wanton dawn]

I chugged at least 30 grenades in 3 min

[karmic musk]

Only on Agripinna Shotty I suppose

[wanton dawn]

Not efficient but hey, at least someone got some value from its node

[sharp ember]

the field improv urge to throw 9 grenades

[karmic musk]

Why does Mk4 Devil Claw feel so slow even though I have the MAtkSpeed node

[dusk idol]

honestly field improv is too good for me not to take, the lawbringer holds up so well you don't need longshot

[sharp ember]

mk4 lights just be like that, that's why i run mk7

[dusk idol]

though i have it anyway in my build

[wanton dawn]

Field improv is really poor in practice imo.

[dusk idol]

it's funny because i feel the same but for the mk7

[spare wolf]

Video clip please

[karmic musk]

Its like there is some awkward delay to the attacks

[dusk idol]

that's the same for me again

but for the mk7

it's so awkward that you can charge heavy and go into a light if you click lmb again

[sharp ember]

the windup animations could just not jive with you

[dusk idol]

whereas with the mk4 i can reliably go light > heavy and it feels good

[sharp ember]

oh yeah mk4 light heavy goes wild

[dusk idol]

but mk7 heavy > light feels so awkward to me

[kind scarab]

Here's a clip, using literally no points spent on my tree. With no health lost. With a white crusher and my normal crusher with skullcrusher on it. There's nothing wrong with the blessing it works great on light or heavy attacks.

[reef ember]

Sorry for the weird question but I recently started playing a zealot, can anyone indotrinate me on the flame thrower?

[kind scarab]

Cause you love to look for excuses

[reef ember]

it just feels like the worst ranged weapon in the game to me

[kind scarab]

[sinful cave]

Ia lasgun or XII lasgun? is one of them objectively better cause im really struggling 2 choose between em i like them both

[dusk idol]

preference

[sinful cave]

[reef ember]

XII

[sinful cave]

XII it is

[dusk idol]

you should ask the zealot chat

but it really is conditional

[reef ember]

oh shit I was in the wrong chat

sorry lol

[dusk idol]

i only use the flamer for mixed hordes

[orchid jewel]

Anyone have tips to complete the dead eye penance

[dusk idol]

or really thicc chaff hordes

that's it

[reef ember]

I thought I clicked on zealot

[sinful cave]

it peaks when a horde has a pack of maulers or ragers in it but like

[reef ember]

someone posting a video on the club didn't help xd

[sinful cave]

psyker does it better

[spare wolf]

Never said it won't work with light attacks tho?

[sinful cave]

[spare wolf]

You just have to hit fast enough before the stagger animation finishes

To get benefits from skullcrusher

[spark hamlet]

which ones that?

[kind scarab]

Which is impossible to miss, since the stagger animation lasts longer than enemies stay alive?

[sinful cave]

?

[kind scarab]

My guy, at this point you have to be trolling.

[dusk idol]

are we talking about skullcrusher

[kind scarab]

Clearly the blessing works, and I was attacking as slow as reasonably possible in that clip

[spare wolf]

In what point am i trolling

[kind scarab]

I wasn't even spamming lights like most people

[sinful cave]

KKND seems to think the new crusher on zealot is "garbage"

[spare wolf]

Do you not understand what i was even saying

[sinful cave]

honestly bro

[dusk idol]

oh

[sinful cave]

i dont think u understand what ur saying

[kind scarab]

^

[sinful cave]

[dusk idol]

you can make an argument that it's not the best weapon for zealot

[kind scarab]

Honestly, yeah

[dusk idol]

but it's not garbage

it's genuinely good

[kind scarab]

Like, your argument is that the blessing only works while the enemy is staggered? Like yeah bro, that's the whole description. And the enemy is always staggered after the first hit, and dead before it gets up

What's your point

[dusk idol]

if you went into a game with the crusher you wouldn't be throwing

[kind scarab]

[spare wolf]

Skullcrusher works like this -> You stagger an enemy, for the next attack you get additional damage but the stagger animation finishes then you loses additional dmg stack

[spark hamlet]

Once you have counter fire and relentless it should be fairly trivial to do with a lasgun - secondary action just means ADS'ing in that instance

[spare wolf]

I was talking about this and said only would kinda works on light attack spamming(And block-attack)

That's it

[sinful cave]

my brother in christ use crusher for 1 second and realize almost every single hit puts the enemy into a stagger animation

[kind scarab]

Also works on heavy spamming

Without even needing martyrdom stacks

[dusk idol]

actually it works like; on hit > stacks applied, if hit with stacks applied and enemy is staggered, more damage

[kind scarab]

Enemies are dead before they get out of their stagger animation

[spare wolf]

If you don't use charge up attacks then sure

[dusk idol]

you keep applying stacks

[spark hamlet]

what's this zealot talk in my #veteran-class channel

[spare wolf]

IIRC that's not the case

[sharp ember]

[sinful cave]

why would u heavy spam tbh crusher moveset is great for mixing, heavy into light for single and light into heavy for horde, though i just spam lights for horde it lowkey works better

[spare wolf]

You loses dmg stacks

If the enemy no longer staggered?

At least that's how it worked

[dusk idol]

the stacks build up to 80% damage, so i believe they have to be applied multiple times to the same enemy

as per hit it's something like 10 to 20% damage

[spare wolf]

It best works with weapons with faster swing and high enough impact

Yea it does stacks even tho the blessing doesn't state that

[dusk idol]

unless it is all applied at once

[kind scarab]

Look at that, heavy attack spamming, and the guy is indefinitely in a stagger animation

Who would have thought

It's almost like if light attacks can stagger, heavies will too

They don't even leave stagger animation

[dusk idol]

i believe you simply do not do extra damage to them if they are not staggered, however the stacks remain applied for a duration

[sinful cave]

alright riddle me this batman

why do u seem 2 think crusher is at all slow

are u like activating it for every single damm swing

[untold mulch]

Zealot chat hours

[spare wolf]

Literally your first swing couldn't able to stagger but okay

[sinful cave]

[dusk idol]

hey now i'm talking about the skullcrusher blessing

[spare wolf]

Does it?

[dusk idol]

yeah

let me see if i can find my sourcec

[spare wolf]

I didn't know that part

So you do keep the stacked dmg

But just does not applies to enemies that are not staggered then?

[dusk idol]

but it only applies if the target is staggered

[sinful cave]

we all multiclass so normally its not an issue but this argument has been going for like an hour yall mind if we actually move it? #zealot-class

[sinful cave]

also i might be talking out my ass here but i think that first hit technically was a stagger

purely because scab gunner does not react that way with lighter weapons

[spare wolf]

That doesn't count as stagger far as i know

[sinful cave]

they barely flinch

[south spindle]

Cheers, saves me using excess bandwith

[sinful cave]

i mean fr he does not move with lighter weapons but his whole torso shifted in that clip

[dusk idol]

here we go

[sinful cave]

maybe thats just a nice visual diff for heavies again idlk

[kind scarab]

I want you to watch the damage numbers carefully

In this next clip

Cause I don't think you know what a stagger is

vs a knockdown

See how he doesn't get knocked down, and the stagger still applies the extra damage?

[sinful cave]

oh no doc u crit therefore this entire clip is invalidated

[kind scarab]

Ikr?

[south spindle]

[kind scarab]

My guy was hit and was staggered. His whole ass body flinched.

A stagger =/= knockdown

Now, I'm done with this whole mess. This guy is either mega trolling or flatearther levels of beyond help.

I'mma go hang out with friends. All the rest of y'all stay sane.

[spark hamlet]

If I had the faintest clue about crushers I could probably help

[sinful cave]

no

[spark hamlet]

But I don't

so I'm gonna go to sleep

gn all

[sinful cave]

[spare wolf]

Interesting

So that does count as stagger then?

[sinful cave]

well

[spare wolf]

Because unless they changed something about it when i used skullcrusher with ogryn weapons that's not how it worked

[sinful cave]

the mauler does infact stagger backwards

visually

guys i think im tweakin

this wasnt a headshot apparently

[iron marten]

get the crosshair remap mod

[dusk idol]

it was a mouth shot

[sharp ember]

as long as they at least buckle in place slightly, it's a stagger

just needs to momentarily interrupt them

of course, longer staggers are better to actually use the skullcrusher benefit

[ruby veldt]

running Kant Shotty/psword. I don't main vet and am not too familiar with the talents yet so I just threw this together

its doin alright I suppose

[sinful cave]

fk now im torn again, mk 2 hellbore actually feels really good now im torn between that and a mk XII lasgun

[sharp ember]

it's mk2 time

do it for the bayonet

and the ability to shoot crushers

[sinful cave]

[iron marten]

I'd say get rid of leave no one behind and get confirmed kill instead

the nades can help with revives if they're in a horde

[south spindle]

Not like Crusher struggles to stagger, or even totally floor enemies tho :3

[sinful cave]

is there even an argument for XII lasgun? cause i can literally use the mk2 hellbore like a normal lasgun for similar effects

[sharp ember]

if only i could take it on vet

[south spindle]

Honestly now they buffed the MIa, i dont think the XII is near as valuable over the course of a mission

[old quail]

for the record you can install the debuff indicator mod and check what does and doesnt stagger enemies

[sharp ember]

slightly faster draw speed, and non-modders who can't deal with ironsights

[old quail]

a crusher h1 with no stacks will stagger maulers and whatnot

[sharp ember]

and yeah MG1a RISE
MG12 SITS, STAY DOWN

[dusk idol]

i won't lie

i've never used the bottom ability modifiers

i just don't need them

so my build looks scuffed af

[sharp ember]

oh and people who dislike release-to-fire triggers

[south spindle]

MKIV for Zealot tho, because funny attack speed buffs turn it into a recon that actually does damage

[dusk idol]

but it works pretty good

[south spindle]

Will be on Vet too with new Keystones potentially

[sinful cave]

that one did also feel really good but again i just cant figure out why i would use normal lasguns over hellbore now

[untold mulch]

I think almost no one does

[sinful cave]

uncharged shots do plenty

[untold mulch]

I am concerned that it looks like after rework

ammo buff will be in the same place

[sharp ember]

i do it for roleplaying

[untold mulch]

like... bruh

[dusk idol]

this is my lawbringer build, but tbh, it'll work with almost any weapon

[south spindle]

They'er more mobile and dont take a fucking year to swap to

[untold mulch]

Ogryns get their ammo buff in the way of their tree

Vets need to bend backwards to get it

[sinful cave]

ig ill make both when the game feels like giving me a usable amount of plasteel

in 3 months

[dusk idol]

get rid of anything you don't like and put it where you'd like it

[sharp ember]

the guardsman of all time

[sharp ember]

guardsman 40,000

[dusk idol]

i used to use exhilarating takedown but took it off since it was bugged

[ruby veldt]

oh yeah that does look wild lol

[spare wolf]

It seems the stack "resets" despite i constantly stagger them?

[south spindle]

Just dont spend any for a couple days, you'd be surprised at how much you'll end up with

[iron marten]

got that drab green camo

[sinful cave]

well yeah if i was playing tier 5 rn

[south spindle]

Tbh everyone should be saving their plasteel at this point till we know if we're getting new kit or not

[sinful cave]

im just trying 2 do vet contracts without going insane from boredom? so im tryina get him new weapons

[dusk idol]

optimally you'd get rid of some of the less useful talents, put them into exhilarating takedown and then precision strikes

but since takedown is bugged and i hate deadshot on shotguns

i just reinvested the points in other random places

[sharp ember]

let me take a look with my debuff indicator

[spare wolf]

Maybe skullcrusher works differently on ogryn weapons and other melee weapons

[sinful cave]

sounds like wild cope

[spare wolf]

?

No i'm genuinely curious at this point

[south spindle]

Oggy weapons are typically slower, so it might feel like that, but in practice the windows are probably the same

[spare wolf]

That's why i'm provided the clip too

So you can stop being utter asshole about it

I'm not picking fight with you

[gusty bison]

(Btw Helbore has been this good since May)

xD

[sinful cave]

my vet hit level 30 2 weeks ago

[gusty bison]

Ah fair

[sinful cave]

i think it would help if u hit all ur lights but then again

why are we using lights on an oggy weapon

[sharp ember]

damn one sec gotta take decimator off this shovel lol, it's ruining my number observation

[gusty bison]

Helbore has always been the gun with a steep initial learning curve so people get put off when its not just pick up and instantly use

[dusk idol]

i think it could be your attack modifiers for your different swings in your chain too

[late hatch]

HB sounds wierd af and so i barely use it

[dusk idol]

if it is that, the stagger resetting with differing attack modifiers could make the numbers appear to be very inconsistent

[ruby veldt]

exhilirating looks pretty solid, but I guess the only way I would get to it is if I did dump the bottom talents

[dusk idol]

it is bugged

it makes you take 30% more damage instead of damage resistance

[sinful cave]

[ruby veldt]

oh lmao glad I don't have it active then

[sinful cave]

you what

[dusk idol]

yer

i used to use it then i found that out and stopped using it

[south spindle]

Hellbore? You mean Fallout3 Gauss Rifle

[dusk idol]

it's why my build looks weird af

[dusk idol]

though it still works solidly without it

the lawbringer can one tap gunner heads

[sharp ember]

guardsman shovel observations: it is working perfectly as intended, my stacks did not fall off, and my damage on staggered attacks was consistent

[spare wolf]

Here's better version of it

[dusk idol]

have you checked the bully club attack damage profile for the swings?

[sinful cave]

i feel like an easier test is to just heavy block cancel heavy

exact same swing on the same spot

[dusk idol]

because there's a lot of different swings going on in that clip

[spare wolf]

Yeah has 4 attack patterns

[sinful cave]

but why are we using skullcrusher on it anyway thrust and haymaker are goated

[sharp ember]

ok i know what's going on
the mauler is recovering back to neutral, and the next hit has to restagger him, not gaining skullcrusher bonus

[dusk idol]

different attack modifiers on them?

[spare wolf]

I'm just curious where that 77 dmg come from

That can't be happening unless stack resets doesn't it?

[dusk idol]

i think it's the backhand sweep against carapace

check how much damage it does

[gusty bison]

Light 4 probably has garbage vs carapace

[sharp ember]

he is able to fully recover from stagger, and isn't in an infinite state of stagger

[gusty bison]

Hum

[sharp ember]

at least for 1 hit, which sends him into a stagger flinch again

[dusk idol]

it might be both things

[true bramble]

Does power sword always adds stagger when energized?

[spare wolf]

Confusing AF

Ah well

[dusk idol]

i just checked, light 4 is terrible into carapace

[junior grail]

Fellas, question for Vraks mk3 HH.

I have Crucian4, what should I pair with? I have DeadlyAccu4 and NoResp4. Wondering since I find the recoil makes it hard for me to consistently het headshots. (skill issue, I know)

[true bramble]

@sharp ember Does that mean with power cycler you can keep an enemy into a stagger with all 3 hits or just 1?

[sinful cave]

why are we testing ogryn lights on a club im going feral please tell me yall dont spam lights on oggy

[spare wolf]

Yeah i noticed this

But the dmg stack seems disappearing too

[sharp ember]

all of your activated swings will deal better stagger, so yeah it will be easier to keep things staggered

[dusk idol]

very low stagger on your lights against carapace, might be why

[true bramble]

Ahhhh its just better stagger its not 100% ?

[sharp ember]

yeah, it isn't 100% guaranteed stagger

depends on the enemy

[spare wolf]

But on the clip the mauler does look staggered constantly

[iron marten]

the stagger value is really good though, you can stagger ragers during their attacks lol

[dusk idol]

If the enemy is recovering from a big stagger, skullcrusher won't apply

the enemy has to be in a constant wobble or staggered state, but not recovery

[spare wolf]

That wasn't a big stagger i think?

Or was it?

[gusty bison]

Go miss the initial light and see if lights 2 and 3 stagger

[dusk idol]

i think wobble is a normal stagger and the animation where they keel over is a bigger stagger with a recovery period

[gusty bison]

I have a feeling light 3 isnt staggering

and im not sure about 2

[sharp ember]

i can 100% guarantee the mauler is still occasionally fully recovering from stagger, due to stagger soft-caps

special attack staggers can actually bypass this depending on the enemy

[gusty bison]

Ah

[sharp ember]

i staggerlocked a rager out of curiosity with vet shovel special, 100% skullcrusher damage uptime

[dusk idol]

light 3 does more damage but less impact than the first 2 so it's possible

[spare wolf]

I tried all 4 attacks and they all staggers on mauler

[sharp ember]

wait why are we talking about this mid blessing

[dusk idol]

it's probably in a recovery period then

[spare wolf]

This could be it perhaps

[dusk idol]

how dare you call it mid

it's trying its hardest

[spare wolf]

Well

We were talking about crusher(weapon)

[sharp ember]

me poking DA HELL out of this rager with shovel poke

[spare wolf]

Then went for skullcrusher blessing

[sharp ember]

right, now that my meal is finished, i'm gonna go ruin a quickplay match with smoke grenades and coherency highlights

[dusk idol]

don't forget to bring your chainaxe

[still pollen]

should I transfer 'blaze away' to me other plasma gun, or should I just upgrade the blaze away one(the ammo stat is quite low though)?

[dusk idol]

replace volatile with blaze away

[iron marten]

yeah I wouldn't bet trying to get gets hot t4

[spare wolf]

Who knows

He could get lucky

[iron marten]

true

or waste 20k plasteel

[spare wolf]

Gamble all your money

[sharp ember]

i would transfer blaze away to the left one

[spare wolf]

Does 70%dmg/74% stopping power hits all the important breakpoints for his build tho

That's the problem

If it does, install blaze away on it

If not

Well

[fervent quiver]

Just be like me: level 3 blaze away and level 4 get hot on a Melky plasma

[spare wolf]

Tho i heard that plasmagun getting nerf

[fervent quiver]

Really?

[sharp ember]

ain't no way, with its ammo economy?

[spare wolf]

I think they are nerfing it's cleave

So i heard

[fervent quiver]

...cleave

[spare wolf]

Not sure about other stats

[south spindle]

I wouldnt be that shocked if they did tbh

100 cleave on paper sounds meaty, but when you actually use it in game... oh boi, thats some shit right there

[spare wolf]

Also it seems FS going to buff bolter

And lasguns

[south spindle]

I dont see lasguns getting anythin, maybe the MKIV

Probably not the other two

[spare wolf]

They have stangely high recoils for being lasergun

So maybe they are fixing that

[south spindle]

Recons need work tho

[forest maple]

Where did you get that from?

[south spindle]

Those are fuckin ass at the minute and have consistently been ass

[covert badger]

Nerf helbore animation length pls and thanks

[spare wolf]

Upcoming patch beta tester

[forest maple]

Hellbore animation is fine, iron sights are not

[covert badger]

True, I feel bad for console players

[forest maple]

If hellbore didnt have animation, why would you use most infantry las

[covert badger]

Also true but I don’t use it cause of the length

[forest maple]

Yeah, The las 12 needs imediate love because theres zero reason to use it apart from the other two right now

[still pollen]

So I guess I'm giving up the blue plasma to get the blaze away blessing, should I try to get another plasma to get blaze away blessing or should I upgrade the blue one that I have that has 55% ammo?

[spare wolf]

If i were you

I'd keep that blue plasmagun

And upgrade other shitty plasmagun that has shitty stats

For blessing harvesting

[iron marten]

people be roasting console players, but they're trying their hardest! playing controller fps is so... bleh

[spare wolf]

Other 3 lasguns are not that great either i think

4 has too much recoil on it 1 is bit better due to recent buff still eh.

[forest maple]

which combat axe is best atm? antax/rashad/achlys?

[forest maple]

Yeah i stopped using infantry lasguns alltogether. Other guns do their jobs better

[still pollen]

Alright 👍

[forest maple]

Only pro they have is infinite ammo with the las build

[covert badger]

I’d imagine vet is the least played 😢

[spare wolf]

Not literally infinite ammo too

That belongs to helbore i think

[forest maple]

Yeah, close to

[iron marten]

reminded me of the clip my friend made

[spare wolf]

So yes they needs some lovin

[forest maple]

Recons too

[spare wolf]

Recons are really terrible yes

6 is kiiinda usable still

But other 2 is just

Why would you even bother

[covert badger]

Your friends screen is fkin huge

[iron marten]

ultrawide moment

3440x1440

[ebon quartz]

Wanna make a Plasma build, need a good horde clear melee option, what we lookin at?

[covert badger]

😧

[spare wolf]

PS/Devil claw/Shovel/Chainsword

Pick one

[forest maple]

Dont know about shovel

[ebon quartz]

Well sheet, spoiled for choice

[forest maple]

so i cant say

[spare wolf]

Shovel is pretty good rn

[sinful cave]

my beloved cope stick

[covert badger]

Chainsword is overall best wep in the game

[spare wolf]

Since the buff

[ebon quartz]

Benefits of Each over the others?

[sinful cave]

?

on jah?

[iron marten]

the pain of vet when they first reach level 30

no pc4

[forest maple]

Chain sword most balanced overall, powersword strongest but worst defensively

[covert badger]

I think so, atleast on vet

[sinful cave]

aye i can still 2 tap crushers it gets the job done

[covert badger]

Crusher is my personal pick

[untold mulch]

I hope the rebalance comes with this update or the next

[forest maple]

devil claw has good defenses, good horde clear and a little bit on the weaker side

[ebon quartz]

Cool cool

[spare wolf]

It will come with part 1 update that would happen in november

[untold mulch]

Confirmed?

[forest maple]

Is this a good roll?

[spare wolf]

Not 100% confirmed as most of shits in this world

But i'd say

Pretty close to 100%

[untold mulch]

Eh, I keep hopes low

[spare wolf]

Well nothing wrong with that

Tho

Fatshark seems does work hard since update #13

[nimble wadi]

Yes

[sinful cave]

honestly all u need is brutal momentum on that axe and its a good roll imo

[untold mulch]

Recon was nice while we wait for Hellgun

[covert badger]

If there wasn’t many wep changes last patch I’d expect a few or vice versa

[sinful cave]

gets the job done

[spare wolf]

So i'm relatively positive

[untold mulch]

Tbf as expected

People have said they only really push updates post-console port

They are too consistent with that shit

[spare wolf]

Yeah well players who played since vermintide kinda knew already isn't it

[untold mulch]

Sadly I didnt

[nimble wadi]

What if helgun doesn’t come

[spare wolf]

RIP

[untold mulch]

Then nothing is worth

I am gonna shoot a barrel when I am on a ledge

[covert badger]

I’ll let the beast of nurgle eat me

I’ll get near the chaos spawn when it grabs a teammate

[nimble wadi]

Beast of nurgle is so cute

[nimble wadi]

Thats photoshopped

[untold mulch]

He is only playing

[nimble wadi]

Unrealistic beauty standards

[untold mulch]

The pitbull named Princess :

[sinful cave]

vore

[ebon quartz]

Blessings for the Magna and Chainsword?

[untold mulch]

[covert badger]

I’d like to go feet first

[sinful cave]

HUH

[untold mulch]

Imma need a bigger lasgun

[covert badger]

not what I meant

[sinful cave]

what else could you mean

[covert badger]

If I had a choice of how I was eaten, didn’t think of the bad side

[untold mulch]

Dont talk like you werent the one to start

[sinful cave]

?

[iron marten]

Plasma gun is generally Gets Hot T4 and Blaze Away T3, if you don't run Confirmed Kill, replace Blaze Away with Gloryhunter instead
Chainsword is Rampage and either Wrath or Savage Sweep

[sinful cave]

wait hold on thats what i thought

what tf else could u be suggesting

[untold mulch]

Slaanesh is breaching Vet chat

[ebon quartz]

Thanks Ruben

[vagrant narwhal]

wish hellgun didn't have charge time

would be nice, but then no difference in between the normal laguns and helbores except ammo and special attack

[untold mulch]

Lucius/Helbore ain't hellgun

[vagrant narwhal]

ah

[untold mulch]

or Fatshark just muddled lasgun categories even more

[vagrant narwhal]

got confused sorry

[untold mulch]

Nah, it happens a lot

Lucius hits stupidly hard

[vagrant narwhal]

altho, those would be fun tho

[untold mulch]

We may get them soonish

Considered Catfish actively answered joking with a comment asking about them

[vagrant narwhal]

yeah is just I have some issues with charge time because sometimes they dont' start charging again for whatever reason

[untold mulch]

Yeah, its kinda clumsy

[vagrant narwhal]

would be nice

[untold mulch]

The question is what is gonna get nerfed for it not to be a must pick?

if its a standalone weapon

and not part of a subclass feature

[vagrant narwhal]

the thing is, its melee attack is agiht but stupid slow for the 3 so no reason to use it unlike some of the push/shove special attacks. then you have the charge time which isn't too much of an issue the moment you have something like onslaught, but definetly makes it feel more like a sniper and less like a rifle (which is bassically the roll it occupies atm) and charge time is a diferentiating feature imo.

in terms of lore it should be a harder hitting rifle with worse ammo management

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[vagrant narwhal]

theoretically we should get about 125 shots I believe

maximum

[untold mulch]

Lucius to my knowdlge is stated to have 25 per pack?

[vagrant narwhal]

yes

[untold mulch]

Which sounds low, but its hitting like a truck

Its a dmr but with ironsights

[vagrant narwhal]

and average loadout using it has 5 mags

in krieg korps at least

[covert badger]

wcm makes half the guns usable which is sad

[vagrant narwhal]

(they might give them less knowing they are daying xDD)

[untold mulch]

wcm?

[vagrant narwhal]

wcm?

[covert badger]

weapon customization mod

[vagrant narwhal]

dmr?

[untold mulch]

Designated Marksman Rifle

[vagrant narwhal]

ahh

[vagrant narwhal]

ahh ok XD

[untold mulch]

The middle point between rifle and sniper

[untold mulch]

Idk why at least the sights are not a base feature

[vagrant narwhal]

yeah

especially when 2 helbores don't even have iron sights xD

[covert badger]

even if they werent they could make cohesive ironsight at the least

[untold mulch]

I get not wanting to add modifying a bolter to use a laspistol barrel

That's silly

but sights for emperor sake

[untold mulch]

Doens't even has the glow sights

You just fumble in the dark

[vagrant narwhal]

and some slightly better/more skins wouldn't be bad considering how simple they are

[thick kestrel]

alas, the headhunter and hellbore STC's lack sights. to modify such tools would be blasphemy against the Omnisaiah 😛

[covert badger]

devs havent played the game since launch is my theory

[untold mulch]

Lasguns patterns are made without STCs

Mechanicus has a problem when you touch tech they don't understand

[vagrant narwhal]

and worse with charge time XD

[thick kestrel]

I'm aware, just being flippant 😛

[untold mulch]

Oh

[covert badger]

mods add so much substance to the game i feel so bad for console players

[untold mulch]

Though sometimes lore is silly

like that general? that changed the top of leman russes for a dual lascannon

and got executed because why are you touching that

then later mechanicus goes, fuck, that was a rad idea in hindsight ngl

[vagrant narwhal]

40k moment

[untold mulch]

Like, with the amount of resoruces the average leman russ takes

you can make 2-3 of the lascannon ones

[wanton dawn]

Got myself a nice little 1 man clutch in no ammo maelstrom with 1m+ dmg to top it of

[untold mulch]

The ammo, the recoil system

[covert badger]

they should make a new manufaction plant for proper weapon sights

[untold mulch]

Weapon mod is doing it on the down low and hope hadron doesn't notices

[untold mulch]

[vagrant narwhal]

for me the thing is why dont they just integrate some of the mods into the base version of the game? XD

[untold mulch]

To my knowledge they did that in VT2

[sleek junco]

Help me out here. This seems servicable

[untold mulch]

I assume either a higher up is being an idiot as usual

Or they are waiting for more updates

idk

[covert badger]

scoreboard is cuz they dont want competetion (which is bs), everything else has no excuse really

stuff like ammo count and other ui features

[untold mulch]

Both perks need changing, butr its nice

Ammo kinda low, which hurts a lot

[covert badger]

base game ui is so bare bones

[untold mulch]

I recommend keep it until the rebalance comes around

Recon line up is in a bad state

[sleek junco]

This is what I got right now

[untold mulch]

Anything it does, other guns does a lot better

[sleek junco]

They're just fun lol

[covert badger]

yeah they feel great to use

[untold mulch]

Indeed

[sleek junco]

Typically though, I've been using my run and gun build

[untold mulch]

Which got them bonked because Fatshark has two braincells

[covert badger]

they like the weapon?

nerf it

[untold mulch]

I swear if the panic nerf was because of that video when someone uses "20" shots to kill 5 crushers that were in a straight line

[past knot]

ok if thats the case i hate recon wepaons so much
waits patintly

[untold mulch]

Dear Emperor

Recon are so bad

Shitty guns, should be deleted

👀

[covert badger]

i love the helbore animation i love the helbore animation i love the helbore animation

[sleek junco]

This is my other lasgun that's decent, though

[past knot]

i love holding fire to charge it i so love it wish they never change

[untold mulch]

I get it making passively, but I feel like the charge should have been passive

[past knot]

hell even auto charge on aim wouldve been awesome

[untold mulch]

True

[covert badger]

fantastic

the fact it doesnt even hold the charge ....

[untold flame]

Anything but what we have now tbf

[vagrant narwhal]

just soloed a demonhost with shovel and krak granades

certified krieg moment??

[past knot]

im sure they couldve made it more annoying

they always can do it

[unborn flare]

no, because you survived

[halcyon pivot]

make macro

[vagrant narwhal]

no

I dind't

traded with it XD

[unborn flare]

Then yes

LOL

[halcyon pivot]

put in mouse

[untold mulch]

PEAK PERFORMANCE

[unborn flare]

Peak Krieg performance

[uncut acorn]

Finally got Flesh Tearer my Marbo Knife is completed

[vagrant narwhal]

also, meant to ask, good shovel??

still getting plasteel to consacrate once more

[untold mulch]

Pretty good to my knowledge?

Though that mobility is gonna make you need to keep your head on a swivel

[unborn flare]

If nothing else, you can dig your own grave with it.

[untold mulch]

[vagrant narwhal]

sounds like youve retreated before

[unborn flare]

Yes, it's called lost connection to server right when I'm about to complete a mission

[vagrant narwhal]

sometimes mecanicum not very good mecanics...

understandable

[shell ginkgo]

Pretty good. Hover over the mobility tab to see how many dodges etc you get.

[vagrant narwhal]

ill have a look in a sec

[supple hamlet]

Anyone know how the veterans +25% crit chance perk works?
Like do you need stamina in your bar for it to function?

[untold mulch]

It needs yes

[unborn flare]

I hope we get to name our guns int he future. Gotta name my revolver Noisy Cricket......

[supple hamlet]

ty

[untold mulch]

With a few stamina curio, and the stamina on dodge talent

you can keep it a bit

[pearl granite]

emperor just gave me this, are these perks/blessing good?

[merry juniper]

bros why am i always on my own lagging behind, am i trash, what can i do

im nott even scavenging

[late hatch]

finesse is super low which kinda sucks. blessings are good though

[shell ginkgo]

Are you constantly trying to rear guard?

[late hatch]

maybe sub out some extra stam and sprint efficiency/stam regen on curios

also you do know that diff weaps affect your run speed right?

[merry juniper]

sometimes, other times im locked in combat with trash mobs and when I turn around everyones ran

[late hatch]

push and run, listen for stab sound, block and push again and run again

[untold mulch]

Either you are taking too long, or your team is all speedrunning idiots

[shell ginkgo]

Ya, don't get locked into melee with rear trash. Keep running.

[merry juniper]

thankyou

[shell ginkgo]

[untold mulch]

If you are "tied" down with a rear trash

fighting while backdodging

though be careful of falls

[late hatch]

like there are lots of noobs who just want to crawl through levels. then there are people who just W key all the time.
try to be aware of your team and dont get bogged down on trash. but if they are set up for running fast and you arent, you are SOL

[frank ledge]

RUnning is the best

If everyone runs, mobs will not spawn

The issues come when your team is either not staying together as you run or looking at paint dry somewhere

[shell ginkgo]

Remember the wise words of the Kasrkin from the Dawn of War games.
STOP FOR NO ONE!

[merry juniper]

what does the little number in the penances represent? does it do anything or is it just penis length?

it has a wreath next to it

[past knot]

they multi parts

do mission on sedition/heresy/damnation

for exmp

[vagrant narwhal]

if you do on damnation does it count for the others too?

cuz it would be quite wierd if it didn't XD

[upbeat notch]

What autoguns are good on vet and is the brauto meme build still good from a few patches back

[quick burrow]

colum mk V seems to be the one everyone loves

[late hatch]

colum is pretty insane atm

[quick burrow]

i still dont know the proper build haha i assume rending into onslaught but then u have to give up deadshot and precision strikes mostly

[ebon geyser]

what y'all think of this shotgun

(I haven't touched the traits yet please don't yell at me)

[vagrant narwhal]

don't the blessings kinda contradict each other?

[ebon geyser]

agripinaa has slugs

[late hatch]

very mid. damage roll is trash. full bore and scattershot are opposites

[ebon geyser]

oh fuck gamer realizes he rolled 53% damage

embarassment. mp4

[late hatch]

rip full bore blessing off it and call it a day

[ebon geyser]

any recomendations for replacement?

[late hatch]

if its melks its probs worth buying just for the blessing

[quick burrow]

i have a cursed laspistol thats interestingly rolled

it still slaps though

[late hatch]

i mean take full bore for your collection of blessings

[late hatch]

try swapping flak for either maniacs or unyeilding

[ebon geyser]

what skin is that

[late hatch]

weapon customisation mod i think

[ebon geyser]

oh wait no I think thats default Im actually a brainlet today lmfao

[quick burrow]

no i modded it a little

[ebon geyser]

oh, aye

[quick burrow]

i forget what i changed haha

i tried to give it a stock for lulz it looked stupid

[ebon quartz]

What do we reckon dump stat is on the Magna

[ebon geyser]

charge time imo*

[ebon quartz]

yeah figured it might be that, just wanted to double check

[vagrant narwhal]

but why, melee better for dealing with those things no? no clue about what is considered unyielding tho

[ebon geyser]

ogryn flesh, uhhhhh muties?

I think one of the flamers is also unyield

[late hatch]

you dont want to get into melee with maniacs most of the time, and it includes tox flamers and trappers. unyeilding is ogryns that arent cara and bosses

laspistol melts bosses

[quick burrow]

oh man get me behind ab ast of nurgle

[late hatch]

+25% unyeilding makes it absolutely melt them

[ebon geyser]

yeah, laspistol w/ IV infernus is a great boss killing tool

[quick burrow]

hmm il try maniac for insta dropping trappers

but i enjoy the flak for the maulers that seems to roam in swarms but i guess ragers do 2

[late hatch]

flak is only really good vs maulers imo, unless you cant click heads. laspistol has good headshot damage esp up close

[quick burrow]

i usually shred em but they are the ones that generally give the allies more troubles

people tend to run weapons that arent so great vs armor

but ya maniac would def be less niche for that gun

[late hatch]

maulers def do hurt but they swing slow and can be handled fine with melee. generally ragers rip through peoples stam bar and break their block in melee and then rip their hp.

esp 2-4 ragers all swinging on the same target

[pearl granite]

thx

[merry juniper]

no there is a large total number

[past knot]

hm i actually dont know

what you mean

sprry

[merry juniper]

it just looks like: 485 🍀

[late hatch]

you have a total pennance score which represents you progress overall, then pennances have a score attached to them. if thats what you mena

[merry juniper]

but does it do anything?

or is it just a number

[zinc hare]

ive got a knife on vet with 30% finessee but it has flesh tearer and lacerate 4 so i just shank people till they die to bleed lol

[late hatch]

its like achievements, epeen

but you also get cosmetics and stuff from doing pennances

so eh

[zealous wyvern]

the number does nothing

the penances sometimes do

i think most of them do

if not directly, then as a requirement for another penance bundle unlock

like a frame

[elder vessel]

what should i replace it with?

was thinking about travelling the path of based and throwing on ordo dockets

buuuut i got my ogryn for grindin ordos

[brisk umbra]

Stamina regen is always decent

[elder vessel]

Sweet

Thanks

[sharp ember]

a curio with 21% max health

[elder vessel]

nah

My vet has 222 max Health so I'm not changing health stats

[vagrant narwhal]

good blessings??

[elder fiber]

yep

[elder vessel]

20 lights in a row

So based

[sharp ember]

one of the best setups, please confirm you have 6/6 dodge limit though

because your mobility is low but defense is high

you might still be okay

[vagrant narwhal]

saddly do not think so

[elder fiber]

no you do

[vagrant narwhal]

ah nice

[sharp ember]

looks like you lucked out

[elder fiber]

Its on the right under additional data

thank goodness shovel has two stats for dodge! lmao

[sharp ember]

lucked in? got lucky

[brisk umbra]

those are pretty much the only two damage bless of the shovel, you hit gold

[vagrant narwhal]

damn

should I maybe change a perk?

[elder fiber]

some people pick thrust for the Bonk but yeah

[brisk umbra]

Unarmored for maniac maybe and call it a day?

[sharp ember]

yeah ^ but unarmored isn't too shabby either

whatever you wanna whack

[brisk umbra]

Yeah, that's the other one, but honestly Decimator ain't bad anyway

[vagrant narwhal]

tbh I do fine with maniac as is, not very bothered by a couple extra hits

[topaz lance]

aint never seen one

[quaint valve]

Been playing since the start, got this max stat roll a couple weeks ago

[covert badger]

this is beautiful

[topaz lance]

Maybe I'll get lucky after another 500h

[quaint valve]

Sounds about right

[vagrant narwhal]

alsto this working pretty damn well ngl

[languid escarp]

Is +25 toughness really better than Iron Will

[topaz lance]

no

[vagrant narwhal]

fair enough yeah, I just somewhat dislike the above 75% gimmick, although I guess its active for quite a bit really

[languid escarp]

It’s 75% but you also have overshield from ability talent

Pretty much 10 seconds of invicibility as long as you dont catch fire

[vagrant narwhal]

oh yeah, forgot about that

or, get rid of onslaught (brittleness debuff) and get both

[languid escarp]

Onslaught is great though

Brittleness for the whole team, works on push as well

[vagrant narwhal]

works for all team?

didn't know what

[sharp ember]

yuh

[vagrant narwhal]

not enough talent points for vet XD

[languid escarp]

Rending works for you while brittleness applies a debuff on enemy afaik

[vagrant narwhal]

thought you meant whole team gets the thing

[languid escarp]

No

[vagrant narwhal]

in that case isn't it mostly usefull for stuff like crushers??

[languid escarp]

Crusher, armored rager, etc… yeah

[elder vessel]

And they're adding keystones

So many travel nodes

[languid escarp]

Do you think they gonna nerf VoC in next update?

[umbral scaffold]

Man

Kinda has the same strength as unwavering focus volley fire

Then again

That has a range dmg steroid tied to it

[elder vessel]

this section of the vet tree hurts me

half of it is travel nodes

[dusk idol]

while it's possible, i think buffing all of the other abilities up to snuff would be nice

[umbral scaffold]

Man

[dusk idol]

and some increased spawns to the game to increase the difficulty would also be nice

[umbral scaffold]

I can’t imagine infiltrate being good

Or better than what it is now

[dusk idol]

they could serve to lower its cooldown a smidge more to make it a little more practical to use, the fact that vets only get cdr from special kills themselves make infiltrate

just kinda meh

[languid escarp]

Man I really wish they make it so Shooter’s stance add a laser effect (different color from enemy of course) so that I stop getting cucked for no reason by teammates

Laser effect to warn allies I mean

[umbral scaffold]

I can’t wait to have tagging being insane

Wanted an ability like that for a long time

[elder vessel]

I just wish they'd skim the travel nodes

So fuckin many

[shell ginkgo]

Yes. FS hates vet

[delicate moat]

holy shit i got sunder

[umbral scaffold]

True

[dusk idol]

i'm not really for tagging enemies as an ability to be honest, but that's because i expect it to cost a lot for a 5% buff, considering how much i tag

[delicate moat]

after like 30 powerswords

[elder vessel]

my man with gun didn do nuffin

[languid escarp]

Isnt Vet best class even before VoC buff

[elder vessel]

giv back 200 toughness

[dusk idol]

it was kind of struggling in patch 13

[umbral scaffold]

I stacks up to 30% dmg buff based off stacks

Or 60%?

[dusk idol]

stacks over time

it's 30%

[wanton dawn]

patch 13 ? not really

[dusk idol]

if you're tagging a lot then you won't get the full buff

[umbral scaffold]

Yeahh

I also have that habit

[dusk idol]

and i do tag a boatload

i just like to have my teammates aware of disablers or bombers

[umbral scaffold]

Hopefully there’s something to make you not hold vital tags

Idk how that headshot keystone would do

Does it reward you for just standing and headshotting?

[dusk idol]

idk, but i heard someone describe it as trying to make you immobile

[south garnet]

we talkin shovels? here's mine

[thick kestrel]

yes and no...

[dusk idol]

i'd have to see it and use it to really understand

[languid escarp]

You can move as long as you hit weakspot I think

[thick kestrel]

so you gain the stacks whenever you score a headshot kill, you lose the stacks if you move

[elder vessel]

Just let us walk with it, without removing stacks and it should be good

[dusk idol]

right now the november update doesn't excite me that much

[languid escarp]

Weakspot hit allow 1s move while weakspot kill allow 3s move

Without removing stacks

[thick kestrel]

however, after each weakpoint kill/weakpoint strike you get some immunity to losing the stacks

[elder vessel]

ooooooo

1 whole second

[thick kestrel]

so as long as you keep scoring weakpoint hits you keep preserving the stacks

[dusk idol]

it sounds like it'd have a hard time keeping up the stacks in an intense situation

[thick kestrel]

and, it seems, you don't lose the stacks at all once when moving

but rather they count down

[south garnet]

you'll probably get the most out of it on hi dam

[brisk sapphire]

Did on overwatch, make every shot count and long bomb this morning 👌

[south garnet]

with that one

[brisk sapphire]

Fairly easy

[thick kestrel]

so there's probably going to be some flexability in how quickly you lose them overall

[elder vessel]

Nice

[delicate moat]

sunder lets u go through bulwark shield right?

[dusk idol]

i'll still test out the keystones when they come out

[brisk sapphire]

Just gotta do deadeye

[dusk idol]

deadshot?

[brisk sapphire]

Surprised I havent already completed it

[thick kestrel]

the bigger question may be however what "ranged Finesse power" specifically means

[dusk idol]

which ones deadeye again

[elder vessel]

(Its funny, on overwatch implies heavy ranged gameplay, but its actually easiest to do on melee vet)

[thick kestrel]

because Finesse is a melee weapon stat, not a ranged one.

[south garnet]

I'm going to guess one of the nodes connected to that keystone also either extends the time the stacks stick around

[thick kestrel]

critical power exists on the revolver, but that's different?

[south garnet]

or gives you other "outs" to keep them

[brisk sapphire]

Kill 5 highlighted enemies with weak spot shots in one volley fire

[thick kestrel]

presuming it's the same as melee finesse that would mean the stacks provide attack speed and weakpoint damage, which could be kind of awesome

[south garnet]

finesse is critical and weakspot damage

[dusk idol]

ah yeah

[south garnet]

finesse damage =/= finesse stat

[brisk sapphire]

Something I would think I would've gotten from regular gameplay

[thick kestrel]

ah, fair then

[brisk sapphire]

But I guess I ain't sick like that

[thick kestrel]

so stacking weakpoint/crit, still seems solid

particularly as there doesn't seem to be an upper limit for the stacks from the new keystone.

solid repeated headshots should scale HARD

[south garnet]

it's actually not a bad keystone, just not as obviously powerful as the other ones. we'll have to see what mod nodes are present and what they do though

it might be goat, who knows

we also don't know how high it stacks

[thick kestrel]

and yeah, the minor nodes will have a huge say in how powerful the nodes work out

[dusk idol]

considering fatshark's record with keystones on current classes i'm willing to say one would be great and the others would be anywhere between mid to unusuable

[south garnet]

probably

[bitter scroll]

Jesus, a Krieg cosplayer in Auric... I hope we dont screw up

[elder vessel]

I would want the minor nodes to make the primary keystone stronger, not work around its limitations

[fathom grail]

2 will be bugged and the other one will be op

[dusk idol]

shovel go bonk

shovel good

[elder vessel]

I prefer a krieger to a prison Shanker

[south garnet]

well, while I get that general line of thought, to be fair the way I described is basically how disrupt destiny's mods work on psyker

I could easily see them going "oh let's do this but for vet sort of"

but then again that also fits the tagging keystone

so, who knows

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, there may be alternate ways to gain the focus stacks or additional bonuses for getting them

[forest blaze]

As is tradition

[thick kestrel]

either way it'll probably be solid enough for lasguns/headhunters/helbores which seems the intent

[elder vessel]

Optional melee keystone
Gain focus stacks for killing enemies with melee Headshots

[dusk idol]

or maybe you no longer lose stacks upon moving

that would be a good node

[elder vessel]

very nice

[thick kestrel]

or lose them at a lower rate, plenty of room for options

[elder vessel]

Are they doing anything about Vets auras?

[fathom grail]

Switch speed increased by 3

[thick kestrel]

unclear, I would suspect we're going to see quite a lot of shuffling as stuff currently in minor nodes get folded into the keystones

[delicate estuary]

smoll bolter

[dusk idol]

close and kill has been changed so that veterans now have a global taunt to ragers and trappers

[fathom grail]

Where is the catboy stickers

And hearts

[dusk idol]

it looks like a bolt pistol

[elder vessel]

honestly, id want them to not nerf surv, and buff the other two to be similarly strong, and just have Vet as "the guy you WANT to be in coherency with"

[dusk idol]

i like it

[dusk idol]

honestly it should be that for all characters

[forest breach]

dis better come in december

[dusk idol]

you should want to stay close to your teammates

[fathom grail]

Slow HP regain

[elder vessel]

^^^

[shut vector]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bolt_Pistol holy heck

[crude wind]

I hope they remove survivor from the game

[dusk idol]

i told u

[elder vessel]

10% chance to restock a grenade to all teammates in coherency whenever you pick up a grenade

[shut vector]

no like its LITERALLY JUST THE THUMBNAIL BOLT PISTOL

[elder vessel]

Horrible idea

[elder fiber]

10% chance to get a sloppy from the ogryn

[languid escarp]

Seems very bad

[dusk idol]

they probably wouldn't do that because of psyker

[languid escarp]

You would be lucky this trigger once every game

[fathom grail]

They should remove veteran from the game and add in space marines

[elder fiber]

no

[crude wind]

not only is it not a horrible idea

[fathom grail]

Which are just veterans but bigger shoulders

[elder vessel]

Here's the kicker
Make it work with grenade scavenger

[crude wind]

it's essential for balance going forward

[dusk idol]

they'll never add in astartes

they said so

[elder fiber]

I'm tired of asstarts in everything wh40k

[crude wind]

having infinite ammo guns is not okay

[elder vessel]

That is a horrible idea, that would make vet absolutely horrible

[fathom grail]

They should remove veterans and add in Spartans

[crude wind]

not if they addressed the ammo economy in this game as whole, changes like that don't happen in a vacuum