veteran-class

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but some ppl get VERY defensive about their talent choices

[crude wind]

tbf I think the 15% toughness and DR talent is very good if you're good at headshots (when its not bugged)

[frank ledge]

Watching paint dry melk quest

[placid portal]

Didnt meet with those ppl and usually are in sedition and uprising.
Usually insta kick with democracy

[crude wind]

which after X hudreds of hours, you should be

[zealous wyvern]

i need this fixed. i need it

[crude wind]

it's just ammo efficient

[zealous wyvern]

its good for ranged battles when taking out 12 gunners one by one etc

[acoustic wyvern]

also its not that hard to point the crosshair at the head height of a mob and spam away

[crude wind]

agreed

like fair enough if you're using a Brauto or something

[acoustic wyvern]

only works best on the iag

[placid portal]

Tbh the outright neef for toughness doesnt happen during shooting imo

[wanton dawn]

Imo the fact that this is not common knowledge is more telling than if it was a well known issue

[acoustic wyvern]

cause the head multiplier is real high

[zealous wyvern]

autos do that head spam well

[crude wind]

it's known to devs and i wouldn't expect it to be in the game for too long

[zealous wyvern]

its a very subtle thing

[wanton dawn]

I meant player wise

[placid portal]

I find myself not needing toughness when shooting bc I kill elites and wipe the shooters with kill confirm

[crude wind]

ah fair enough

[trim hemlock]

Exhilarating certainly is good, if you can avoid getting hit in melee for the time being, to not end up bamboozled

[placid portal]

Problem is

[zealous wyvern]

after they changed skill trees i have felt naked as vet

especially when playing shooter vet

[placid portal]

You need toughness during melee vs shooting

[crude wind]

i wish the +3.5% toughness from all kills wasn't in the worst place in the tree

[placid portal]

Bc during shooting you have coherency and kill confirm to topp off

[crude wind]

i hate that sprint efficiency talent so much

[zealous wyvern]

no i do not get hit vs melee until i get killed in one burst or something

[trim hemlock]

I for one don’t understand why Vet is the only class that doesn’t have reasonably accessible toughness replenishment nodes

[placid portal]

Mauler crusher overhead vibe check lmao
I feel you

[crude wind]

The classic top tier vet life is:
a) be absolutely impeccable in melee, never get hit, stay at full health most of the map
b) immediately die to 2 poxbursters your team shoots and blows up on you

OR

[zealous wyvern]

moreso tank ragers surrounding me etc

[placid portal]

Ahh that sucks usually happens if teammates solit apart

[crude wind]

c) get hit by one burster and then that invisible laser sniper you didn't see because of weird server ping stuff

[zealous wyvern]

invis snipers are the worst

[delicate estuary]

you forgot silent dogs, trappers and bursters

[crude wind]

bursters was b)

[placid portal]

Worst of all the insta down after revive bc teammate didnt finish off the mauler crusher

[somber rivet]

Anyone else ever notice the laser dissappear for a few secs then they fire and it's back cause I felt ultra cucked by that

[delicate estuary]

I usually just backline so I have grown eyes on my back

[crude wind]

trappers and dogs I'm personally okay with, it's usually a burster or sniper I didn't see/hear that gets me

[delicate estuary]

part of the 40k experience

[empty heron]

Happened to me once. Got blown by a burster from a teammate. Flew across a continent and got sniped mid-air. Did a weird animation before landing face down and not getting ressed.

[crude wind]

or the new classic, 10000 FLAMERS

[crude wind]

oof. that's rough bud

[empty heron]

4/10 would not do again

[placid portal]

Solution
A Grenade upon yee

[gusty bison]

Dying to teammates blowing up bursters next to you is frankly getting way too ridiculously common

[acoustic wyvern]

classic? The worst would be flamers and bombers combo

[placid portal]

Yea big oof

[crude wind]

in pub groups I now literally run from bursters sometimes

[acoustic wyvern]

they're learning to crowd control 4 rejects

[crude wind]

once bitten twice shy and all that

[frank ledge]

Why do new folk don't try to push it, they dodge back and call it a day or shoot it in melee

[somber rivet]

Net flame combo in pubs is pain if team don't spend 1s getting you up

[frank ledge]

Like they shoot pox walkers in melee

[placid portal]

Or barrel environmental cliff

[zealous wyvern]

i face them if i die i die

no fear

[crude wind]

oh if u get netted in a pub you're just dead

net might as well say 'immediately die'

[gusty bison]

Its literally accounting for like a good third of my deaths.

Not downs. Deaths.

[zealous wyvern]

you cannot fear johnny

[empty heron]

They don't seem to know yet. Allthough people are getting better at it compared to a couple of weeks ago.

[somber rivet]

Net flame combo reminds me of jockey/spitter from left 4 dead 2

[placid portal]

Lol

[acoustic wyvern]

I think its time we weaponize the poxbursters

[placid portal]

Pretty much

[frank ledge]

I udnerstand in the beta because we had no info...but info is RIGHT THERE

[crude wind]

it's not fear it's self preseervation!! 😅

[acoustic wyvern]

use the explosion to propel you into more enemies to slay

[empty heron]

Poxburster on a leash. Now THAT'S a grenade

[placid portal]

Bursters are nice to make use of during hoarde

[crude wind]

if they made it so i could get burster resist on curios

I would run it x3

[placid portal]

Free area suppression

[gusty bison]

If u have no teammates lel

[zealous wyvern]

you can get corruption resist

[crude wind]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[acoustic wyvern]

still deals hp dmg

[empty heron]

Didn't we have that in beta? Or do I remember wrong.

[somber rivet]

Sometime when you push bombers they still don't die and you keep pushing em over and over anyone else seen that glitch

[crude wind]

i think so but it never made it over

yep

[south spindle]

Damn.. Burster resist would be an excellent perk in pugs

Ofc not so much in pre-mades but yea

[placid portal]

They have to be priming the wxplosives to blow up after pushed

[zealous wyvern]

zealot has a talent that makes burster deal no dmg basically

[crude wind]

easiest S tier of my life in PUGs 😄

[gusty bison]

Ive literally seen people shoot bursters mid fucking jump

[placid portal]

It's a sound that goes faster

[zealous wyvern]

saw it on t5 yesterday

[empty heron]

wut. Which one

[acoustic wyvern]

sniper, burster, toughness regen on all curios

[crude wind]

ngl I do enjoy pugs though, the chaos is so abound

[somber rivet]

Nah the guy was gonna blow we shoved him like 3 times then bolterd him

Wouldn't die

[zealous wyvern]

its a 75%dmg reduce every 10 secs to coherency

cd is per char

[south spindle]

I seem to encounter those people a lot Also Surge users at the minute are propa bad for it

[crude wind]

in myt last 3 pug games the team has had one player that was just... a hard carry

[empty heron]

ah sure.

[crude wind]

like the player would die repeatedly

no one saying a word

[south spindle]

Never skip back day!

[crude wind]

just stoically reviving them

[placid portal]

Only talk smack if they are intentionally trolling

[empty heron]

I had 11 revives on 1 player in a game once

[gusty bison]

Players dying often is fine tbh

[crude wind]

there was one zealot that died 5 times in the Hab Dreyko end event

[somber rivet]

Like loading into that damnation and everyone's readied up and there's just a lvl 22 no-ones mentioning

[gusty bison]

At least they arent sabotaging the team

[crude wind]

i enjoy it, makes the PUG runs a good challenge

[valid apex]

I played with a psyker the other day that seemed like they could have solo’d the mission and they were only lvl 24

It was nuts

[crude wind]

I'd never kick off at another player for dying

[placid portal]

If they afk you start the vote kick

[crude wind]

only shitty behaviour

[south spindle]

This tbh, whilst it can be a bit annoying on occasion, as long as they're trying i really dont mind all that much

We were all shit once like

[crude wind]

a good psyker do be like that sometimes

[empty heron]

Had the same with an ogryn yesterday. He was constantly alone, doing everything on his own before the rest of the gang could even catch up. CHARGE.

[frank ledge]

Vacuum ammo, still lowest damage

[trim hemlock]

Mid burster jump or mid their jump?

[crude wind]

yeah exactly @south spindle

[somber rivet]

It is possible to do damnation with sub par gear and skills if you are experienced usually the low levels who hold their own are on second characters

[placid portal]

Ngl if i am last man standing i would only last for 2 minutes before adrenaline breaks my focus

[crude wind]

great name btw I know the reference

[gusty bison]

Mid burster jump. As it is hurtling towards a teammate with their melee out in the block position

[trim hemlock]

I sometimes shoot bursters mid-jump to pong them away

[placid portal]

Some serious shit

[trim hemlock]

IF I CAN afford doing that

[placid portal]

I shoot them if 15m

Any closer and its a risk

[trim hemlock]

And can’t switch to melee/hit it with the bash/have no stamina

[placid portal]

Or if they just drop down a level

[trim hemlock]

Or just have to focus on shooting something else and I can tag the bursted to knock it back mid jump

[placid portal]

They tend to splat on the floor dropping down

[trim hemlock]

It’s a tech. Tricky and risky, but still a tech

[gusty bison]

Please dont do this if there are any teammates next to you

Because they might get the push

And they might not be ablw to take the explosion

[trim hemlock]

I try

It usually works out

[crude wind]

anyone else noticing WILD variance in T5 HISG btw?

it feels like there's 3 different difficulties in that modifier alone XD

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t do that on a burster that is approaching another player on a diagonal path, though

[wanton dawn]

I see ppl going on downed poxbuster with their block up. At some point ppl gotta learn

[gusty bison]

The variance is due to what type of enemies the ai director chooses to spawn

[crude wind]

nah I'm talking amounts specifically

like sometimes the director is chilling

and sometimes, its 20 specials every 90s

[empty heron]

Might depend on your clear speed

[crude wind]

it's weird

[trim hemlock]

I wonder if this has anything to do with server response

[gusty bison]

Do u have a speedrunner?

[empty heron]

If you go too fast shit gets real

[trim hemlock]

Because it indeed feels like HISTG sometimes can be relatively smooth

And the other times it’s 200 specials across the entire attempt

[crude wind]

most of the time it's consistent and then i just have the occasional game where it goes fucking ape

[gusty bison]

If one person goes too fast shit gets real.

If everyone goes fast and runs past the enemies then it becomes a cake walk.

[crude wind]

like it's fun but goddamn those games can be an hour long

[gusty bison]

Do u notice someone running off ahead early?

[crude wind]

i wonder if it's clear speed of the party then, that would make sense

[crude wind]

no the opposite, generally PUGs clearing too slowly

or being too cautious in pushing

it feels like maybe if you stay too still the level just goes 'right then...'

[gusty bison]

Ah ye welcome to the ai director being throttled by maximum enemy count

Cos if ue going fast the director has to populate a larger region

[crude wind]

lol okay that makes so much sense

[gusty bison]

Its a bug speedrunners exploit to basically cruise through missions

[crude wind]

can't wait til they fix that

speed running

that is

[gusty bison]

Its unfortunately not easy to fix

Cos the issue is performance

[crude wind]

fingers crossed eh

[gusty bison]

Speedrunning basically allows u to "outrun" the spawns

Which basically means u arent playing hi5stg xD

Its why true solo runs atm are a meme

Its not really hi5stg

[frank ledge]

Speedrunning also spawns the dreaded 21 gunner patrols

u can run past them depending on map

[crude wind]

True solo speedruns*

I've been banging my head on True Solo HI and it's just so hard

one day maybe

[gusty bison]

Ok fair but most of then are speed runs

[crude wind]

100%

[gusty bison]

With infiltrate so you can just ignore most of the danger

[crude wind]

i don;t know why but whenever I hit a boss spawn point in True Solos the game always gives me Chaos Spawn

which a lot of the time is just an instant gg if you get it with anything else

[gusty bison]

Isnt it possible to outrun them?

Or are we talking true solo legit here

[crude wind]

it is but I'm not trying to out run the level, just trying true solo legit

[gusty bison]

Ah

[crude wind]

one day 🙂

but currently I do not possess the skills

to pay those bills

or the luck, for that matter

[gusty bison]

Tbf u can just stealf past those

[gusty bison]

Nyooom

One day :D

Tbh i think people are more interested in instructional vids and meme builds than true solo

[crude wind]

oh definitely

game footage of darktide, unless you're choco B or Indy, isn't really where it's at for farming those clicks

[gusty bison]

Ye

[crude wind]

somehow Clay gets thousands of views for his streams though

[gusty bison]

"Darktide but your teammates are actively trying to kill you"

:P

[crude wind]

so just regular PUGs then 😛

[gusty bison]

XD

[crude wind]

i used to rage at the burster death rag doll

now I just sigh

and watch the body hit the floor

[gusty bison]

I swear pugs are more difficult than bots way too often

[south spindle]

Pug teams are an additional difficulty modifier

[crude wind]

fucking l o l

[south spindle]

Sometimes it makes the game easy, sometimes makes it a fucking struggle

[crude wind]

could be either!

WHO KNOWS!

[south spindle]

Isnt the mystery half the fun?

[frank ledge]

darktide needs twitch mode

where your viewers are actively trying to save you from your teamates

[gusty bison]

XD

[crude wind]

alright I have to stop procrastinating and do some work, big love all

[brisk sapphire]

Twitch mode is insane in vt2

Like get attacked by 2 chaos spawns and a rat ogre while chat is deciding to send 10 gunners or 10 gas rats your way

Insane

I love it

[gusty bison]

Did someone say..

Forty Four. Gunners.

[brisk sapphire]

I'd say twitch is harder than maelstrom depending on the lobby and chat

Much harder even

Bosses hit harder and you cant melt them as easily with ranged in vt2

[stuck bridge]

bosses are a joke in v2 lol

[fresh jungle]

melee vet is fun in the melee maelstrom mode

[patent plover]

can anyone who's used all shotgun types give me a rundown on how they think the other shotgun patterns compare to the Agripinaa one?

[sturdy crow]

What build and weapons are you running there?

[gusty bison]

Kantrael is for when u wanna set entire patrols on fire. The primary is also v good, but ammo is poor.

Lawbringer has some cool tech with flechette and making everything bleed

[valid apex]

What wep?

[valid apex]

Why would that apply to lawbringer but not the Kant?

[gusty bison]

Lawbringer gets duckbill special shot

So it can hit more people

[true bramble]

Not bad i think

[valid apex]

Tomato tomato I guess.

[true bramble]

So convoluted you guys need to disable some stuff from thatt screen

[fleet drift]

What’s dumb stat for Power Sword?

[acoustic wyvern]

NO NO THEY NEED THAT TO EVALUATE THEIR SCORES to do better next time

[true bramble]

Right? Like i gota know ammo picked up or carried scripcture and that bullshit

[acoustic wyvern]

You sir operated 4 machinery this run. next time do better

[fresh jungle]

@valid apex /usetalents veteran 18;2|1,11|1,13|1,15|1,16|1,17|1,21|1,23|1,24|1,41|1,43|1,46|1,47|1,49|1,50|1,52|1,54|1,57|1,58|1,63|1,66|1,68|1,71|1,72|1,73|1,76|1,77|1,81|1,83|1,84|1

[devout atlas]

what

[fresh jungle]

could probably run shout instead if you like it, i use this to sneak into rager/gunner hordes

[empty heron]

How do you apply those numbers to real life

[trim hemlock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/215

[fresh jungle]

ye thats the one

unless theres a way to screencap the skill tree

[trim hemlock]

I don’t use it, but my guess is that mod is how it is utilised

[trim hemlock]

There is a mod to squish individual skill trees, but it’s not ideal still

[empty heron]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[trim hemlock]

And I suppose there is also GL

[empty heron]

Looks solid

I like the black lines

windows-shift-s if your new best friend for screenshotting btw

[empty heron]

Do you like the twin grenades? I've never really tried it

[stuck bridge]

Even if it happens most of the time it doesnt help

like best case is frag spam. except 50+% of the time, its gonna happen while throwing the second or third frag anyway

[fresh jungle]

never tried it either

my 65% doesnt have the windows key lol

50% more dmg vs 10% chance for 2nd grenade i think the 50% should be much more damage

[empty heron]

oh my bad. I looked at the wrong node. It's +1 grenade you have

[fresh jungle]

maybe ill give middle a go to see how it feels

but with infiltrate i can clear shooters too

just sneak into their ranks

[empty heron]

Middle tree might be weaker for you personally but overall better for allies imo

[unkempt lagoon]

related to grenades, im so disappointed they doubled down on the 5% grenade regen being yourself only, would be really nice to provide grenades for your team

[fresh jungle]

ogryn nuke too op

[stuck bridge]

you can with field improvisation. kinda limited though

[fresh jungle]

its probably balanced around that i guess

[brisk umbra]

I mean there's are two I in Demolition Team

[stuck bridge]

also two me

[unkempt lagoon]

I mean that still only affects you

[empty heron]

Vet + 3 ogryns with Ogrynheimer

[stuck bridge]

No field improvisations makes everyoneg et grenades, from ammo crates

[unkempt lagoon]

oh what

so inconsistent lol

if you have field improv and you place down a medpack it doesnt heal others' corruption

[stuck bridge]

yes it does

[unkempt lagoon]

huh wuh

[fresh jungle]

field imp in enhanced blitz its op

[stuck bridge]

if you have a grim it deletes the medpack xd

[brisk umbra]

^

[unkempt lagoon]

Okay mybad I guess I just didnt see it happening then

[brisk umbra]

You probably had somebody with a grim in team

[unkempt lagoon]

true

[brisk umbra]

Then the medpack tries to heal that and it just implodes it

[unkempt lagoon]

wdym grim deletes the medpack, as in the medpack tries to heal the corruption but the grim outpaces it? or .. the medpack gets physically deleted?

[stuck bridge]

medpac is a set ammount, it fights the grim causing corruption and drains very fast

[unkempt lagoon]

thats so funny

[sturdy crow]

Think I'm gonna go with this for my melee build

[unkempt lagoon]

Do medpacks also expire after a certain amount of time or is the healing amount the only expiry condition

[brisk umbra]

healing amount

after they heal X they disappear

[stuck bridge]

ammo crates have 4 charges

[empty heron]

You want Iron Will

[stuck bridge]

ogryn damage easy drop

[sturdy crow]

Alright that makes sense

[unkempt lagoon]

Good to know, can just plop them down at the beginning of an arena encounter then

[empty heron]

and attack speed. Drop the running speed and melee crit rending

[sturdy crow]

It's brittleness though, thought it could be useful for the team

But yeah I guess attack speed is better

[brisk umbra]

btw, what weapon are you using?

[sturdy crow]

chainsword

[stuck bridge]

def want finesse+atk speed

[brisk umbra]

then take the attack speed at the bottom

[sturdy crow]

Alright

[brisk umbra]

i was saying that because honestly with Power Sword you really do not need the right tree at all

[sturdy crow]

Trying it now, damnation HI let's go

[empty heron]

Good luck soldier!

[sharp ember]

🤓 technically they should expire after 10 minutes, used to be around 3 minutes

but basically long enough for any stationary encounter now

[unkempt lagoon]

Oh good to know

but yeah thats plenty long enough, thanks

[brisk umbra]

oh cool, 3 people entered my match then all left :v

[stuck bridge]

they dodged you xd

[sick marsh]

thought I saw somebody say the 21% plus max health curio blessing is somewhat rare... that true?

[empty heron]

I've ever only seen 1 that I bought

[sharp ember]

i think the health curio rating needs to be baseline 79-80

[sick marsh]

I bought 1 earlier, snagged a 20 one yesterday.

[sharp ember]

to get 21%

[stuck bridge]

not as rare as 1.9 wounds curio

[empty heron]

Has there ever been +2 wound curio in the game at any stage? In the back of my mind I swear I've seen it. Could be wishful thinking though

[stuck bridge]

myth

[ivory rock]

enough to make a grown man cry

or would be

if surgical 4

but still a dub in my book

[midnight patrol]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned how good the lawgiver shotgun's special is at mob clear?

Just tried it out, it feels almost as reliable as the kickback

[devout atlas]

hi

it's my fav build to run lol

scattershot + flechette have fun bro

[ivory rock]

Cause everyone was saying Lawbringer was ass qwq

[devout atlas]

lawbringer rlly good rn

[ivory rock]

I rolled a nice one and was told to execute it of Mice and Men style

[sick marsh]

ok so I've got 1 wound and 2 toughness blessing curios. is that about right?

[midnight patrol]

I just did

There's so much blood good god

[devout atlas]

yeah the horde-clear is amazing

combine with psword and you can handle anything

[misty turtle]

is this good or is collateral important?

[midnight patrol]

Its ads is not as bad as I expected either

[ivory rock]

I'd say go for a 360+, I believe dmg reload and collat are most important

[devout atlas]

this is good, collateral is a useless stat

[ivory rock]

nvm

i dum

i thought collat was good to stop crushers n shiz

[devout atlas]

often it makes them fall over making them survive

low collat can be good

[midnight patrol]

stability really helps in lining up shots

[devout atlas]

you'll just kill them outright

[ivory rock]

be me >knock over crusher >aim down

[midnight patrol]

Bolter does not like being rapid fired in semi auto

[ivory rock]

[devout atlas]

but yeah that's good, lets hope you get good blessings (crouch fire it when aiming to reduce the recoil A LOT)

[midnight patrol]

@devout atlas

I spent like, 30 special rounds down the train in the consignment yard

[devout atlas]

haha those are baby numbers, i've pulled off a 1.2k earlier this week

with lawbringer

[midnight patrol]

There was nothing left for me to kill lmao

[devout atlas]

:D

bring it to a maelstrom

you'll actually do good with it

btw weakpoint damage bonus is rlly good on it too

helps special sniping and horde-clear

[empty heron]

what the fuk how much ammo did you find

[midnight patrol]

Yeah aim for head level, headshots galore

[empty heron]

oh you have actual ammo numbers instead of crates

[midnight patrol]

Yeah lol

NGL this shotgun is a bit more ammo efficient than I anticipated

Only needed a few smol boxes and a crate

[devout atlas]

yeah you don't need much to delete hordes

you can literally kill hundreds with 5 shells

[empty heron]

What does your shotty look like?

[midnight patrol]

It does kinda suffer against the beefier specials

[kind scarab]

Now if only all shotguns were that good

[kind scarab]

I ran this bitch for a while

[tropic imp]

Kantrael shotgun better imo, even if you never use special

[kind scarab]

Didn't like it

[midnight patrol]

I cant get to like the kantrael myself

Doesnt feel like it brings the thing needed on the table

[kind scarab]

See, my issue is that people steal me kills before the specials die

[devout atlas]

Nah

[kind scarab]

Like bitch

I burnt down 3/4 of it's health

MAH KILLS

[devout atlas]

Kantrael has lower effective range for special sniping, worse ammo eco and horde-clear than Lawbringer. On Vet with a crit + flechette build Lawbringer is better

[midnight patrol]

With scav you get the ammo cost back at least lol

[kind scarab]

I just used it cause bleed + burn

[devout atlas]

overkill

[midnight patrol]

Yeah like, even for focused damage, Agri shotty has that role in spades

[devout atlas]

you don't need that

[kind scarab]

I need overkill

That's the way I like it

Even with the overkill, bastards still steal my kills

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[tropic imp]

Really? I feel like I 2 shot every special at middle range and 3 shot snipers and bombers across the map

Dont know how damage dropoff works though

[midnight patrol]

Kantrael's spread pattern is really weird

[devout atlas]

Precision Strikes elevates Lawbringer above Kantrael for elite/special killing

[untold mulch]

Yeah, like normally Iw ouldn't care about killsteal

but you know, I need that for my toughness and Exec stance refresh thanks Assail Psyker

[wanton dawn]

That's what you get for playing exe stance

[untold mulch]

My brain likes the yellow outlines

[kind scarab]

Yeah, if I'm going Ex Stance

I'm taking a gun that can oneshot everything. So people don't steal my kills.

Revolver, Plasma gun, Boltor

[devout atlas]

I legit have 0 builds that use exec stance

It needs a buff

exec stance when scriers gaze walks in

[south prairie]

Assail psykers and vets with recon lasguns are the bane of my existence when i run exe

[untold mulch]

After patch 14, all Vets with Recon is just

what are you doing homie

[kind scarab]

Time to go take a recon in my next mission

[untold mulch]

me with healthbar mod seeing how pathetic their damage is

[iron marten]

vets with recon just want to roleplay trust

[untold mulch]

Punch them, it will hit harder

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance needs either thoughness refill or insta reload

[kind scarab]

I'mma make a random build and see just how badly it goes with my recon compared to the matches I was doing yesterday where I went in with all white items and no talents equipped

[brisk umbra]

honestly if they use the lasgun only for bosses it's fine

[kind scarab]

[brisk umbra]

if they just use lasgun all the time and never use assail, fuck em

[untold mulch]

I wish it had toughness refill

[brisk umbra]

i would take even just a reload speed buff

[devout atlas]

strongest recon vet vs weakest recon psyker

[untold mulch]

"Use the lasgun only for bosses"

Ranged enemies don't exist

or you talk about GunPsykers?

[brisk umbra]

ye gunpsykers obv

[untold mulch]

Okay nvm, you meant gunpsykers, my bad

GunPsyker is the weirdest thing to me

[brisk umbra]

They are utter shit

[untold mulch]

Like melee Vet

Like yeah fair but are you not kinda missing the point

[brisk umbra]

Like, i've been running Laspistol on my Assail

since you use assail 95% of the time only anyway, and the laspistol at least helps on bosses

[wanton dawn]

Melee vet is far from being crap though

[untold mulch]

Strongest Recon vet was good patch 13

[brisk umbra]

Melee vet is pretty shit com'on

We just have an OP shout and a busted PS

[kind scarab]

I am making a really... funky recon build. Lets see how it goes.

[south prairie]

Melee vet camln be fun, but i feel that it fits lighter or ravage weapons more

[untold mulch]

Melee vet can be viable, but I still stand that is kinda missing the point of the class

[devout atlas]

melee vet aka a normal vet with a psword equipped

[untold mulch]

[untold mulch]

We back at release days guys

Psword nukes

[kind scarab]

Melee vet running dclaw is for kings

[untold mulch]

and Recon beign absolute dogshit

just like old times

[brisk umbra]

oh, i love playing melee vet, but really, you should be just playing normally. See a special? Oneshot it with your gun and go

but the majority of gunpsykers i find around are literally playing shit vet only using their guns

[south prairie]

Thats why i equip my melee vet with revolver. Quick and painless except for reloading

[brisk umbra]

Ye that's what i do, but again i wouldn't call doing that playing "melee vet"

you just aren't wasting random ass bullets

[devout atlas]

I still run dclaw on certain builds since face tanking bosses is rlly good

[kind scarab]

This t5 can't possibly go badly

We got a psyker using a chainsword

[devout atlas]

27

[brisk umbra]

While when people run GunPsyker is "i'll just be a cancer and spam my shitty ranged weapon and vacuum every ammo pack"

[south prairie]

I main knife on my melee vet, turbo attack speed for trash clearing and rending for non ranged things

[kind scarab]

Clearly this is his alt and he's actually like, super cracked

and knows something nobody else knows about the chainsword

right?

Right?

[brisk umbra]

I mean chainsword ain't shit

There are much better option but it's still passable

[kind scarab]

He's a psyker

[stuck valley]

how good is this?

[devout atlas]

I finished my veteran weeklies (I can finally play a fun class)

[brisk umbra]

Terrible

Trash that fucking Kantrael

God i fucking hat e the kantrael.

[south prairie]

I hereby announce the commencement of kantrael hour

[devout atlas]

flak is good, no respite is good, keep both, get maniac, and replace hit & run with deathspitter

[brisk umbra]

After spending 40-50k fucking plasteel trying to get Fletchette, and finding out it's only a T2 now

[unkempt lagoon]

I've read that the mg12 is no longer the go-to for the semi-auto lasgun, and that the other models are good too.. is the playing field level and its mostly preference?

[vagrant narwhal]

Came back to darktide on patch 14, want to use veteran with plasma gun any builds for vet you would recommend?

[jaunty herald]

This baby dropped as a Big E end of mission gift.

https://i.imgur.com/eyPwndB.jpg

[brisk umbra]

If you want a semi automatic the vrak 7 is the best option imho

It hits most breakpoints with HS

[frank ether]

its not like you have a lot of options for that

[vagrant narwhal]

Dps wise the 12 is worst, is more about ammo economy or preference

[devout atlas]

ppl with clean inventories like this scare me

[unkempt lagoon]

running lasgun ammo regen

[south prairie]

Not that bad, but i see stats being under 70 and get aneurysm

[unkempt lagoon]

also I like the holosight

[brisk umbra]

You're still gonna waste more ammo than a Vrak 7

[devout atlas]

are you on pc

[unkempt lagoon]

yeah I could do that...

[jaunty herald]

Yeah I know. I am leveling up Vet again

[brisk umbra]

Tried a couple of games with my pre patch 13 mg12 it was so awful 😦

oh sweet christ still 300 scab and dregs to go with my zealot

[untold mulch]

There is something very wrong with them

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917682677279232045/1171665157378809856/attachment.gif?ex=655d8136&is=654b0c36&hm=d3a7bf41cf348f3a980cfdae7ce9e7c2b473dff536875a4b1cd8bdc5c730345a&

[devout atlas]

meanwhile the bottom of my inventories be like

[untold mulch]

I need that UI

Gib

[devout atlas]

2DInventory

[untold mulch]

May the Emperor grace your future runs

[jaunty herald]

I'm level 29 vet before I splurge on my plasteel and dockets

😔

[south prairie]

I splurge my dockets on clothing and weapon skins

[kind scarab]

You know what

I was fucking wrong

[south prairie]

I dont have the best weapons yet but good enough is good enough

[kind scarab]

The Psyker is the only competent one on this fucking team

Holy fuck

[south prairie]

Including you?

[frank ether]

does that include you

[kind scarab]

I can't tell, haven't checked the scoreboard yet

and I'm using a recon

[brisk umbra]

[kind scarab]

All I can say is

The ogryn and the other guy have contributed nothing so far

While the other guy has been doing objectives, stunning important shit and picking up idiots (such as myself) who go down trying to keep the ogryn and other idiot from killing themselves

:T

[frank ether]

sounds like the average off-hour auric game

[kind scarab]

I died died, cause the Ogryn bless his small ass brain

Just left me on the ground next to him till I bled out

[unkempt lagoon]

I'm not meaning to discredit you, but you said last night the vrak 7 also sucked, have you used the mg12 recently?
I'm just confused whether you'd prefer the vraks7 or an mg for that semi-auto sniping-ish vet build

[untold mulch]

💀

[brisk umbra]

? No i said that i like the vrak 7 over the 3 :V

[frank ether]

3 got some finesse nerfs but 7 didnt afaik

[vagrant narwhal]

Any vet build for plasma gun ? Please and thank you

[frank ether]

7 basically got reworked into a sniper gun instead

[sick marsh]

what's probably the best weapons combo for veteran RN overall?

[brisk umbra]

PS6 and Revolver/Laspistol/Plasma

[bitter turtle]

does laspistol need blessings to be good

[brisk umbra]

yeah

Dumdum+Inferno

[bitter turtle]

cause it seems like utter shit as a grey

o

[south prairie]

Isnt everything utter shit as grey

[bitter turtle]

no

some weapons still function ok just baseline

[unkempt lagoon]

Ah I misunderstood the conversation, when you said "it sucks" you were responding to someone else haha #veteran-class message

[bitter turtle]

im not comparing it to other golds

[frank ether]

some guns have tax blessings or need perks/talents help to hit breakpoints

others dont

[brisk umbra]

no worries ❤️

Again, the Lasgpistol is a bit worse for special compared to Revolver/Plasma but it has a much better boss dps

[knotty herald]

Does Toughness Regen effect things like Confirmed Kill?

[brisk umbra]

that's buged

[frank ledge]

I was told by steam that you guys only have 1 job, shooting gunners. Plz do it

[brisk umbra]

it actually increases the damage you take

So, really, do not run Confirmed Kill for now

[bitter turtle]

what perks do you even run on this thing

[unkempt lagoon]

never take steam community seriously

steam community is, in my experience, consistently bottom of the barrel discussion

[frank ether]

steam forums my beloved

[brisk umbra]

laspistol? Mutant and unyilding for more boss damage imho

[frank ether]

still remember the release power sword nerf tears

[bitter turtle]

the mutant dmg seems really bad

[frank ether]

game also got reviewbombed over that too

[bitter turtle]

maniac*

[frank ledge]

People are still crying about it

[brisk umbra]

It's not that great, but the pistol is fast enough and with inferno it kills them decently

[frank ether]

I mean release DT deserved some review bombing but there were some real manchildren among the release players

[brisk umbra]

plus it has really good HS modifier

[frank ledge]

And currently about vets not shooting and doing their "job"

[untold mulch]

In this day and age where aren't manchildren everywhere?

[frank ether]

Are those people aware of god damn good current powersword is?

[frank ledge]

YET NO ONE is crying about assail

[frank ledge]

They say it's too good

That veteran shouldn't have access to broken melee weapons

[frank ether]

Its no longer 2022

[frank ledge]

people forgor

[brisk umbra]

let them fucking roll for Power Cycler 4

[delicate rivet]

It is? (Im newb)

[brisk umbra]

then we can fucking talk about having op wepon

fuck that garbage

the PS6 is busted atm

[frank ledge]

Rolling? Steam forum players think that any build making is tryharding, bad and you should just play the game for the missions

[frank ether]

Its so very good, though I'd argue there is nothing gamebreaking about it

[bitter turtle]

do ppl take onslaught for this thing

[frank ether]

ever used the force sword or whatever it was called on psyker? You dont even have to rev it

[frank ledge]

Illsi

[bitter turtle]

i feel like i already have to pick up duck and dive in that tree

[midnight patrol]

@devout atlasJust brought my lawgiver out on an auric mission

[frank ledge]

[midnight patrol]

It woooorks

I was keeping up with two kickback ogryns lol

[vagrant narwhal]

Assail is stupid strong, in comparison to other powers especially

[frank ledge]

But psykers are too busy (pubs) to use illsi, throwing assail

[devout atlas]

I like it with shout and psword6

[frank ether]

whats a little busted about mk6 is that you have this insane carapace damage on push>stab, could it be tuned down? Sure maybe. Dont think there is much wrong with the rest of the weapon

[midnight patrol]

My build too

[brisk umbra]

the light attack spam oneshotting hordes of mobs don't help either

[devout atlas]

The only thing busted with the mk6 is that the chainaxe is significantly worse at dealing with carapace and that is a problem with the chainaxe tbf

[brisk umbra]

Let's not talk about that thing.

[south prairie]

Lmao back early in the year i remember a guy being all smug and shit about brauto saying its the best and everything else is shit

[frank ether]

thats kinda what its supposed to do

[midnight patrol]

I think that only really vibes with power cycle 2+ right?

The attack pattern is kinda pain on the mk6

[quasi glade]

Is the Atrox Mk VII Tactical Axe worth picking up?

[kind scarab]

This Ogryn

[frank ether]

Ever used heavies on mk6? They are awful

[kind scarab]

Is triggering

Motherfucker ran away from the whole squad instead of fighting with us

And got dogged

And left everyone else to die

[midnight patrol]

Must have zealot brain

[brisk umbra]

oh yeah

[delicate rivet]

Yes am currently using it on my psyker, what do u mean no need to rev? Is there a bug?

[frank ether]

I feel like this is more of a chainaxe bad problem. Seriously just buff the poor thing

[frank ledge]

It adds to the skill ceiling

Because it's not just doing heavy/light

[brisk umbra]

PC4 with +2 gives you all 3 perfectly horizontal attacks

[midnight patrol]

Aiming that push attack is hard too

[empty heron]

chainaxe push attack is pretty good

[south prairie]

Ogryn? Running? Did i hear that right?

[midnight patrol]

Gotta line up that head

[frank ledge]

I wish darktide had more skill expresion weapons, we need something like the vt2 halberd

[brisk umbra]

Like the difference between +1 and +2 is even more pronounced between the PS3 and the PS6

[kind scarab]

Yes and you can see in the tiny ass screenshot in the blurry distance

[quasi glade]

that ogryn did the math in his head, clearly

[frank ledge]

Shame the rest of the weapon sucks

[kind scarab]

His dumb ass getting dogged

[brisk umbra]

the PS3 is still better imho if you have only +1

[frank ledge]

Because fatshark forgot to update it to new hp values

[brisk umbra]

(at least for hordes)

[devout atlas]

that is what i think too yea, caxe needs a massive buff, easily the weakest weapon in the game atm

[quasi glade]

isnt halberd just by default one of the better weapons?? idk about skill expression lol

[kind scarab]

I would like to point out

The rest of the group died

[brisk umbra]

Untill the remove the animation on light attack on the chainaxe, it can burn in hell

[kind scarab]

Saving his dumb ass

[frank ledge]

It requires combo manegement to be better than exe

[delicate rivet]

Lmao this ss is hilarious

[south prairie]

Man what the hell, dude shouldnt have played ogryn if he was gonna run off like that

[frank ether]

I mean I like it being there personally. I like the current meta where we have multiple competitive melee options and its not as simple as light/heavy spam.

[frank ledge]

We need more complex weapons

[frank ledge]

If there was something to justify that

Like damage, a special property or 1 shot

[devout atlas]

yeah those are sorely lacking, we have the crusher on zealot and mk4 knife on ogryn and that's about it tbh

[frank ledge]

but nope

nothing

[frank ether]

Feel like it should just shred carapace rly

[frank ledge]

Dueling sword to an extend, since it's headshot/crit dependant

Chaxe maybe

if it didn't just underperform

[devout atlas]

combat knife too, as much as that hurts to say since it does have a lot of unique heavy to light chains

[frank ether]

by all means I welcome the melee shenanigans. Also a huge fan of the helbore bayonet change they pushed recently

[south prairie]

I agree, having definite best weapons introduce the most annoying people into any discussions, the smug meta huggers

[frank ledge]

I knew I wasn't the only one loving it

[frank ledge]

True

[frank ether]

I am eating so very good, finally no more constant weapon swapping on helbore

[devout atlas]

just realized all of the weapons listed other than caxe are my fav in the game lmao

[south prairie]

I swear by my combat knife

[devout atlas]

also love devil claw

[kind scarab]

The ogryn picked me up first

And we saved it

[frank ether]

d.claw 4/7 absolutely amazing rn

[frank ledge]

Limbsplitter, I miss you

[kind scarab]

All my grenades and shouting twice

[devout atlas]

dclaw on bleed zealot actually has a lot more skill expression as the lights end up being useful

[frank ether]

1 not my favourite but some people think 1 is great and 7 sucks so preference I guess

[frank ledge]

old limbsplitter with anim cancel

[devout atlas]

so you chain thru light combos, push attacks, parries, heavies of different types with it

dclaw4 on zealot is so fun yall gotta try it

instead of just spamming light->heavy 2 you actually use the whole moveset it's ghmfdjgnfgdn

🤤

just get one with wrath so the light are usable

savage sweep is liberal propaganda

[frank ether]

I tried chainsword for the first time yesterday

the lights are so damn fast lmao

I wasnt expecting that

its suprisingly usable without the rev

[devout atlas]

you only rlly wanna use the rev on mutants and crushers that aren't looking at you

[frank ether]

yeah pretty much ideal for infil melee vet

[south prairie]

I also use rev on maulers because they are so damn annoying

[frank ether]

I normally run mk6 on it but the problem is I just end up staring a bunch of crushers from behind

and you can't really head stab them from that angle

[severe gale]

yah u can

[frank ether]

can you

[severe gale]

just angle it right

[stiff abyss]

is there any good up-to-date guide for autoguns in general as in what are the differences and such
theres so many marks and latin names which makes it difficult for me to get a good grip on it all
wondering if sifting through the wiki pages is worth it

[devout atlas]

keep trying

XD

[frank ether]

lol I'll go experiment in mg

[delicate estuary]

define guide in this context

[stiff abyss]

basically i just wanna know what the differences are / potentially what strengths and weaknesses are

[frank ether]

I wonder if my character is too short

does that make any difference

[median portal]

want something along the lines of ogrynomicon by the sounds of it

[kind scarab]

HONESTLY

[frank ether]

cause I cant see their head from behind lmao

[kind scarab]

The pysker was the best part of the team

This guy was lit

[severe gale]

agripinna shoot slower, less ammo, deal most damage. columnus are in between, graia shoots fastest (when ADSd) but least damage

im@orerty shre

[kind scarab]

Like look at the scoreboard. It was Mons.

[severe gale]

im pretty sure

idk i only use agripinna autos

[kind scarab]

I think.

Also, despite being dead half the match. I did great with the Recon.

[delicate estuary]

mk1 and mk8 autoguns are basically the same with a difference in rate of fire and damage, mk7 is a single tap cheapo bolter but still very good, columnus is just the new recon gun in my opinion which means just hold down left click till stuff dies, mk9 and whatever the otehr variant is called are burst fire autoguns with a 2 round burst and a 3 round burst

[kind scarab]

I'mma do this again minus the insane randos and see how much better it'll do.

[valid apex]

So I tried revolver a few matches.

👀

[bitter turtle]

nah, columnus is the speediest one

graia is the middle child

[valid apex]

Time to hang up my plasma. Lol

[stiff abyss]

and then theres a few braced versions aswell in there

[kind scarab]

Yeah nah, revolver is lit.

[severe gale]

oh

yah

[frank ether]

columnus melts faces up close

[bitter turtle]

damage per shot, agri is the highest, but I think columnus ends up packing the biggest punch

nearly 2x as much ammo in the chamber

[delicate estuary]

yes I just count infantry autoguns as the non braced variants

[frank ether]

yeah the ammo capacity is insane

[bitter turtle]

good synergy with onslaught too

[frank ether]

it also gets very good reserve

my roll has like 600 reserve

[stiff abyss]

mmh i see
and whats headhunter about

[frank ether]

I dont even run the %25 ammo talent

[bitter turtle]

i have 562 even with a 60% roll

[delicate estuary]

I guess thats a fair point 💀

[bitter turtle]

i have a good agri rolled too

[delicate estuary]

thats my bad in understanding then

[devout atlas]

uhhh

IAGs

• Columnus (goes hard, poor headshot rate due to being a lead belcher)
• Graia (goes hard, very low recoil so good headshot rate)
• Agri (good but low rpm means less stacks of Rending so maybe leave this one for the Zealots)

Braced

• Columnus (kinda worse than the IAG imho)
• Graia (unique ADS mechanic that doubles ROF, very good and fun)
• Agri (very good and accurate but same issue as IAG, still worth using on Vet)
• Autopistol (lmao)

[frank ether]

the agripina reserve feels tiny in comparission

[bitter turtle]

the big advanntage is columnu s gets pretty bad at super long ran ges

for agri i mean

[frank ether]

even tho mathematically its probably similar damage

when you factor in bullets to kill and natural player inaccuracy

columnus just slaps

[delicate estuary]

just get close

[devout atlas]

Just keep shooting

[brisk umbra]

the agri has the good thing that it pierces more compared to the other two

[delicate estuary]

also this

[brisk umbra]

so if a special is in the middle of a horde you can still hit it

[delicate estuary]

all of the autoguns other than the burst fire ones can single tap reliably

there is like a weird delay that works

[frank ether]

I disagree with this, I think it singlehandedly makes braced autos obsolete

and can still beam snipers across the map

in a way cqc focused brrautos or shotguns just cant

[stiff abyss]

i kinda figured that it seems like lasguns are for long range but im obsessed with autoguns so im trying to make a mostly longrangebuild work with em ;v;

[devout atlas]

that said Columnus is kinda better on Gaze Psyker which makes me not wanna use it on Vet </3 at least braced Graia goes hard because Exec stance makes it a laser

[delicate estuary]

I just use it with shout

and we chilling

[devout atlas]

Braced Agripinaa with Exec can work

[frank ether]

I never tried gunpsyker

[devout atlas]

it's a laser

[frank ether]

do you get like

[severe gale]

i wish vet was good

[frank ether]

spread reduction or

something like that

[severe gale]

yah

[devout atlas]

just 100% crit chance with Columnus for 2 mags with fuckall cooldown between

[frank ether]

🥜

[delicate estuary]

you mean the braced one for psyker or non braced

[devout atlas]

It kinda btfos Vetumnus which is why I keep saying Exec stance needs a buff

[devout atlas]

always non braced cus you can't get any spread reduction

braced works better on Vet

[severe gale]

how

[frank ether]

exec stance feels like a bandaid to make some guns good on vet

[delicate estuary]

scriers gaze @severe gale

plus some crit nodes

[devout atlas]

Gaze + Columnus massive crit chains

[severe gale]

oh

on psyker

[devout atlas]

nah just Gaze lmao

[severe gale]

i thought u guys meant on vet lmao

[delicate estuary]

you do pick up a 5% crit chance node I believe on the way

but yea I might try some of the autoguns

[devout atlas]

not worth it

[delicate estuary]

on psyker

[frank ether]

as long as you can keep volley fire up anyways

volley fire massively extends effective range for brrauto

[delicate estuary]

just dont feel like doing gun psyker a lot cause people dont like sharing ammo

[devout atlas]

oh you mean node not aura

[delicate estuary]

yes the little tiny nodes

[stiff abyss]

after giving it another thought the final marksman tree really doesnt seem that great for autogun ;v;
though the +25% ammo does seem juicyyy

[delicate estuary]

that connect the talents

[devout atlas]

I only run it when I see a scav vet and then leech from the aura

[delicate estuary]

ye makes sense

[brisk umbra]

the left tree is the biggest bait of vet

[delicate estuary]

still not enough plasteel to get all builds I want to try

but will keep in mind

[brisk umbra]

it has probably the best passive after a ton of medium passives

[frank ether]

you dont really need to go beyond precision strikes

[devout atlas]

then it btfos vetlumnus but at least braced autos on exec vet are actually very very good

[delicate estuary]

its good for specific guns like the MK12 lasgun

so much weakspot damage xd

[frank ether]

also if you want to be funny you can try deadshot iag instead of exhilarating (which is bugged rn anyways)

[delicate estuary]

probably even the mk1 headhunter could work

[devout atlas]

deadshot didn't need a nerf when gaze psyker exists

[brisk umbra]

Ye mostly it's the 4 passives points+2 passable nodes (suppression and ammo) to get the super juicy 50% weakspot damage

[delicate estuary]

being immune to suppresion is very good as well

I dont remember the tree right now

so I dont have a point of reference

as to what you count as useless

or bad

[devout atlas]

yall remember when deadshot still worked with 0 stamina lmao

[brisk umbra]

Eh, on Auric there's so much shit going on lately that i feel it's not as good anymore

[stiff abyss]

but i need so much ammo

[delicate estuary]

oh it doesnt anymore

[stiff abyss]

the gun is so, so hungy

[frank ether]

I feel like it still costs too much rn

[delicate estuary]

I am still stuck on release DT

[devout atlas]

hasn't for a while imho it should come back

[frank ether]

now that vet doesnt get free toughness for existing

[delicate estuary]

good to know honestly

[frank ether]

well except shout

[delicate estuary]

dont see a point of using it other than the hellbores then

even with triple stam regen curios and 1 +3 stam curio

still not enough stam to justify lmfao

[devout atlas]

helbores, revolver, and shotguns make good use of it

[delicate estuary]

ye

[frank ether]

or maybe they should cut the costs

[delicate estuary]

for?

[devout atlas]

imho it should be based on the damage of the bullet so it works for every weapon not like 3

[delicate estuary]

problem is that FS probably balances on what people play and I doubt that many people play scriers gaze atm

thats my theory at least

[stiff abyss]

autogun
ive been running columnus for a bit and deary me it goes through bullets quickly

[devout atlas]

this is true there's like 3 gaze players me included

[stiff abyss]

am also running damage aura so that might be a part of it.
not entirely sure if its worth it but eh.
damage.

[delicate estuary]

just yoink all ammo but I personally havent had an issue with its ammo economy

[frank ether]

I want to make deadshot brrauto meme work

[delicate estuary]

3% damage

[stiff abyss]

look

its damage

[frank ether]

do it fatshark, give me the csgo ak-47 experience

[devout atlas]

never ever run anything other than scavenger dawg

[brisk umbra]

after the buff to revolver, i doubt it

[empty heron]

👆

[stiff abyss]

😔

fair enoguh

i thought itd increase the more ppl are in the aura

[devout atlas]

lol no

[delicate estuary]

[devout atlas]

you wish

[delicate estuary]

even the movement speed aura is better than damage aura

[empty heron]

If they buff dmg aura to 10% I might reconsider scavenger

[delicate estuary]

just change damage

to power

problem solved

[empty heron]

3% power over scavenger?

meh

[frank ether]

if thats a coding hurdle it would be easier to have it different flat costs based on weapon types

so your iag doesnt get the revolver treatment

[frank ledge]

This new shovel buff is looking a bit ridiculous

[devout atlas]

I could code it. Fatshark skill issue

[frank ether]

true true I agree with your statement

[devout atlas]

fartshart hire me to fix your game please I need the money

[frank ether]

well when keystones arrive we'll probably have another 2 months of chaos anyways

I'm actually somewhat worried

[stiff abyss]

keystones?

[midnight patrol]

Meanwhile I'm here getting the most headshots and critshots. with a shotgun

[kind scarab]

Helmet buff was much better ngl

[frank ether]

even though I should be excited I'm somehow worried instead

[midnight patrol]

Left tree Vet benefits shotguns so much ironically

[delicate estuary]

yea vet tree is getting its rework reworked for obvcious reasons

[devout atlas]

how the headshot hitbox feels with the plasma gun

[sharp ember]

i'm ready for the most despicably gimmicky keystones ever

[devout atlas]

I can't wait for a complete vet tree rework with new auras that they drop without mention

[kind scarab]

Man, I want better aura

[frank ether]

I wouldnt mind a complete rework to auras tbh

[frank ledge]

They are reworking?

[frank ether]

survivalist feels mandatory

[frank ledge]

I thought they'll just put in the keystones and call it a day

[kind scarab]

Baseline surv that you get when you don't equip any aura, should be standard on ALL auras

[frank ether]

and I know its ''big bad'' for the game and all but it feels right to reward at least the vet for doing what they should be doing.

[kind scarab]

And then whatever else should get slapped on as a bonus

[sharp ember]

probably not a complete rework, but i think they wanted to make the tree easier to cross-spec

[empty heron]

Big circle inc

[devout atlas]

you just solved world hunger

[kind scarab]

We can eat bullets instead of corpse starch

WHY IS THIS MAN

IN A T5 MAELSTROM

[delicate estuary]

queueing with someone else

[kind scarab]

Fatshark please

Stop

[frank ether]

lethimpug

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-dbz-angry-transforms-muscles-gif-12171358

[empty heron]

brain burst

[frank ledge]

IT'S HIM

[delicate estuary]

can only queue if someone that is level 30 queues for you

[delicate estuary]

whats wrong with brain burst

[glad scarab]

is that a known problem to the devs that the achievemnt to fill 5000 Ammo for mates are not working?

[frank ledge]

yes

[empty heron]

Smite is just so much better for the whole team

[frank ether]

isnt it the more ethical way of playing psyker

[frank ledge]

Assail is also the easiest way to get top damage

[frank ether]

the fact that people had to coin the term ethical psyker tells a lot

[delicate estuary]

yea and completely makes the game an uninteractive player experience

whats your point

[delicate estuary]

brain burst is the "ethical way" to paly psyker

[empty heron]

Sure. That's actually pretty true. Not as much fun. But Bubble Smite Psyker carries even the worst through damnation

[fleet drift]

What’s that

[delicate estuary]

yes

[glad scarab]

brain burst is so damn boring and not fun to play in the current state

[fleet drift]

Brain burst is just too slow for my liking

[delicate estuary]

smite removes player interaction and assail is the equivalent of shield ogryns

pressing their special

and tanking gunners

[fleet drift]

It overlap with Vet role

And Vet do it a lot faster in my opinion

[empty heron]

I actually find smite psyker pretty fun. But that's because I pretend my allies love how stunned everything is.

[frank ether]

spotted the assail user

[delicate estuary]

legit this

[empty heron]

Most likely they don't even notice that things aren't hitting them

[fleet drift]

I love Smite psyker

[delicate estuary]

I dont cause melee becomes even more boring

well yes I could parry this rager or give some space but no 💀

[unkempt lagoon]

not true, its a race against the psyker to kill things before they blow up

[fleet drift]

I suck at FPS and hate doing melee in general

[delicate estuary]

thats only psykers who are abusing the smite surge bug

[empty heron]

What's that

[unkempt lagoon]

oh 🙁

[fleet drift]

It’s a bug?

[delicate estuary]

the smite modifiers that can be gained from empowered psionics keystone apply ont he surge

[fleet drift]

I thought it’s a feature

[delicate estuary]

same goes for the smite talents within smite itself

so you get a 125% damage increase

everytime you kill an elite

2 shotting crushers with surge staff

you can also have the surge staff bounce on +1 target due to smite

[empty heron]

wtf

[unkempt lagoon]

thats so funny

[sharp ember]

they share traits?

[tepid pagoda]

Yes

[delicate estuary]

yes

[tepid pagoda]

They're both smite

[empty heron]

lol

[tepid pagoda]

[unkempt lagoon]

thats way too jiggly

[tepid pagoda]

The EP is extra fun because you don't need to take keystone nodes

[delicate estuary]

if you run the scoreboard mod and you have a surge psyker just check their overkill damage and if its extremely high then you know they are abusing the bug and by extremely high I mean almost overlapping their actual damage

[narrow laurel]

maniac is better aye?

[tepid pagoda]

So you save 2 nodes

[narrow laurel]

even if running las node

[tepid pagoda]

Probably yeah

The more crit you have the less crit matters basically

[frank ether]

I'd take crit chance if it was like %10

[delicate estuary]

its also an exploit abuse

[tepid pagoda]

And Laspistol has a 20% base crit or something

[narrow laurel]

i heard laspistol has some high base crit as is

aye

[tepid pagoda]

So is most things in this game

[kind scarab]

This level 19 should not be in a maelstrom

[frank ether]

%5 is too little to consider over %25 damage to flaniac that will make my crits even better anyways

[delicate estuary]

like ?

[kind scarab]

I don't care who tf thought letting them queue into it was a good idea at FS

Level 30 fuckers are already barely qualified enough to do it

[tepid pagoda]

Well we've had a bunch but idk rn. A lot of things do things they don't say though. Like Improved Grenades on Vet

So technically you're exploiting if you use that

[delicate estuary]

are they comparable to the surge smite bug though is the real question

[frank ether]

this game will never have a matchmaking system that weights player skill into account, so get used to it

[tepid pagoda]

Being immune to stagger constantly

Is huge

So ye

Probably

[kind scarab]

OKAY

[delicate estuary]

improved nades give you immunity to stager ?

[tepid pagoda]

Yep

[kind scarab]

There's now a level 21 that loaded into this mission

After the level 19 left

[frank ether]

besides I dont think its possible to realistically measure player skill looking at statistics anyways with how varied the gameplay experience is

[tepid pagoda]

It's probably meant to be only when you have nades out

[kind scarab]

The matchmaking in this game is stupid