veteran-class

[white minnow]

it'd only take 0.6 seconds for t4 surgical to beat t4 crucian if you are loading 5 full shots each cycle, and 0.9 seconds if you're only loading 1 or 2 shots

[raw steppe]

I do think it depends on how you're playing

[midnight patrol]

I top off my revolver like a shotgun, so welp

[raw steppe]

for example I find myself liking surgical a lot when i'm in the back and actually have time to ADS for it

[delicate moat]

i still dont have surgical 4

[raw steppe]

but I actually was running surgical on this one previously on zealot and I swapped it off to crucian

because the way I was playing on zealot I was not getting much value from surgical

[wraith locust]

lfggg

[raw steppe]

simply didn't have enough time to ADS

if I'm doing swap -> kill flamer -> swap back to melee

[calm prairie]

which of these perks would you swap out

just kinda what Im working with since I cba to grind weapon rolls

[raw steppe]

weakspot -> cara probably

[fathom edge]

what benefit does bracing give the mk8? almost seems to have more spread when braced

[sharp ember]

weakspot to flak I reckon, for maulers and flak ragers

[sharp ember]

reduces vertical recoil, mostly for spraying crowds, best when stationary and crouching

the horizontal spread gets pretty wild if you keep walking

[calm prairie]

Ill try switching between flak and cara on a couple runs thank you guys for the suggestions

[fathom edge]

assuming you're running kraks, i feel like cara doesnt serve much purpose

as anything cara i just nade

[raw steppe]

then use flak

i don't have enough grenades for all the crushers and maulers the game throws at me

so end up having to melee most of em

[gloomy kestrel]

I don't really use this but is this like a godroll from melk? xD https://i.gyazo.com/b493efbc11fbd02058e5e565a175bfaf.png

[unkempt pawn]

Looks to be, perks can be fixed

[fathom edge]

worth investing in when i have the PS?

[warped roost]

gotta polish hadron nice for power cycler IV before the power sword shines imo

do you lose a dodge at 47 mob

[fathom edge]

it gets 4

idk what 80 gets

[digital gazelle]

ayy we 30

[hollow cloak]

you ever try that melee vet build?

[silk sleet]

You'll get 5. I think the more important thing is move speed and dodge distance

[sick crystal]

anyone have any recs for blessings on a chainsword?

[iron marten]

Rampage and either Wrath or Savage Sweep

[sick crystal]

ty!

[digital gazelle]

yoo power cycler finally

[glossy remnant]

What can I change the powerburn for?

[dusty ferry]

Infantry autogun and shovel is such a combo

[ivory rock]

Holy shit melk actually likes me

[fathom edge]

do shotguns kinda feel b tier or is this one bad?

[fallen bone]

praise the emperor

[delicate moat]

i take more damage from ppl shooting poxbursters than anything else

it's infuriating

[fathom edge]

that should be the only loading screen "tip"

"dont fucking kill bursters around people"

[delicate moat]

i can be at full health dealing with 5 ragers in melee yet as soon as i try to push a burster someone shoots it

[fathom edge]

you know that "can you spot the heretic" gaurdsman poster?

[delicate moat]

[fathom edge]

i want that but its a person killing a burster next to a teammate

i do pop barrels to fuck with teammates on occasion, as they do little to no damage

[abstract stream]

If I have a bunch of vets on my team as ogryn I dont shove

I like to scare them

[vivid ocean]

kant with no respite is pretty solid, you spam the fire shots at range and it deals with groups decently well from cover

[dark flower]

zzzz

[dark flower]

you fucked up a perfectly good shotgun is what you did

you need no respite on the kantrael

[fathom edge]

oh i have no shotgun blessings

and i have better stat ones than that

[dark flower]

😆

[fathom edge]

man stopper is the only blessing i have and i dont remember what was on it before but it was useless

[dark flower]

for the kantrael you're best off with no respite + deathspitter

[fathom edge]

i basically played the game a bunch at launch, then just got back into it this patch so my blessings collection is pretty limited

and i only just started focusing on my vet instead of my pysker

then i play ogryn and have literally zero blessings :/

does using 2 ammo instead of 3 make any real difference?

assuming that even lasts more than one shot

[tall torrent]

No

Especially considering lasguns can take shock trooper for even better ammo economy

[fathom edge]

yeah its just one shot

why the fuck is this a thing?

no ammo cost maybe

[digital gazelle]

hmm

[lost dawn]

what do you guys recommend for blessings for the infantry lasguns?

[delicate moat]

head hunter/surgical + deadly accurate (for MG12)

[lost dawn]

does infernus do anything on the faster firing ones?

[gusty bison]

Not really

Only sorta decent for bosses

[lost dawn]

gotcha thx for the info

[dusty ferry]

Infernus can probably work better on faster firing guns

[gusty bison]

This.
So much this.

Holy fucking ahit

[delicate moat]

infernus works on laspistol and the recon guns e.g. infernus laspistol is hilarious against nurgle

[gusty bison]

Hi yes i would like to lose 3/4 of my HP to a pox buster

[dusty ferry]

I only say this because crit chance is a weird thing so just being able to dislodge bullets faster means you may land a crit sooner or later to trigger infernus

But infernus laspistol my beloved

[digital gazelle]

I wish everyone knew to just push the pox bursters

[dusty ferry]

^

[delicate moat]

I just witnessed someone keep shooting the poxburster charging at them

[dusty ferry]

Stop shooting the poxbursters while they are near me I lost more than half my HP

[brisk ruin]

I'll shoot a poxburster but I make sure no one is close enough to get hurt by it first

[digital gazelle]

yea, if its far away sure

[dusty ferry]

Same
It is fair to shoot a poxburster but if it is away from others and you

[gusty bison]

Generally i only shoot bursters if they are comfy far away

[dusty ferry]

If it is rushing, push

[digital gazelle]

is this a good roll

[fathom grail]

I only shoot if they’re close to my teammate

[dusty ferry]

And dash sliding backwards always secures no damage from them

[gusty bison]

Cos sometimes teammates will rush into ones close to push them early

[fathom grail]

Need air support

[dusty ferry]

Would take BM over Limbsplitter but keep

[digital gazelle]

BM?

[dusty ferry]

Brutal momentum

[digital gazelle]

ahh

gotta find that yet

[gusty bison]

The worst teammate i had was a KB ogryn that blew up not 1. Not 2. But five poxbusters near teammates in a run... AND killed a teammate with a barrel... AND refused to extract so they could solo farm the ending horde

[delicate moat]

lmao

[dusty ferry]

oof

[gusty bison]

Fucking scoreboard chasers lol

[delicate moat]

I died today from full health to the same teammate shooting poxburster next to me while pushing two times

At that point I just waited for a revive and accepted my fate

[digital gazelle]

issue is, now Ive hit 30 on my vet im like "why play him cause he's 30 now" and i HATE that im so progression focused on xp and such

when i should be goin for gear

[fathom edge]

see that was what killed the game for me at launch

[delicate moat]

get true xp lvl mod

[midnight mortar]

Yeah that attitude won't sustain you in a tide game for long.

[fathom edge]

but its much better for that now

[delicate moat]

endless lvl farming

[digital gazelle]

huh

[midnight mortar]

The game is centered around a gear acquisition loop.

[dusty ferry]

What kept me playing the game after getting level 30 was to make several builds

[midnight mortar]

And there's the true level mod if you care about seeing what your actual level is.

[dusty ferry]

Because I just wanted to have builds

[fathom edge]

once i got near perfect gear for my pysker ive barely touched it though

[gusty bison]

True Darktide progression is not xp or gear

You will find gear barely matters

True darktide progression is getting better as a player

[delicate moat]

I become worse

[dusty ferry]

So true

and so true

[gusty bison]

No gear will be able to carry you through high end missions. Only you can carry urself

[digital gazelle]

yea Ive been getting better slowly

[gusty bison]

Did u put hallcinogenic compounds in ur smoke?

[digital gazelle]

sometimes i get fucked by some random shit but otherwise I manage ok

[fathom edge]

my pysker spoiled me

aurics are almost easy on them

my vet i struggle on damnation

[delicate moat]

i cannot confirm nor deny

[gusty bison]

Eventually you will reach a point where the thing that fucks u most is teammates shooting bursters on you. XD

[dusty ferry]

Melee builds have utterly ruined me

I just enjoy meleeing the shit out of anything on any class now

[digital gazelle]

I want more cosmetics

[gusty bison]

Honestly playstyle difference tbh.

I dont find psyker that easy, while vet is chill cruisin

[digital gazelle]

[dusty ferry]

I want you

[gusty bison]

Chad and based pilled

[dusty ferry]

Indeed I am biased and chill pilled

The melee that ruined me the most is Vet shovel

Fucking. Feels so good to use it. Shout, Shovel, Kill, repeat

[gusty bison]

bop

[dusty ferry]

tonk

[gusty bison]

69% stopping power.

Nice

[dusty ferry]

Honestly good Kantrael

Now to never use it

[digital gazelle]

give me this

[fathom edge]

oh my

[digital gazelle]

[fathom edge]

i mean lore wise it makes sense but uh

[midnight patrol]

Get rid of that efficiency blessing for deadly accurate and its amazing

[delicate moat]

t3 DA is more than good enough

oh i see the problem

[midnight patrol]

Lol rip

plassteel time

[fathom edge]

need to go run quickplay damnation on my psyker to get mats for my vet lol

[digital gazelle]

whats the highest a gray weapon can roll at

[fathom edge]

380?

[delicate moat]

381 i think

[fathom edge]

380 is max

and color doesnt matter

as the 380 doesnt change

[delicate moat]

yeah but i think there was a bug?

[fathom edge]

oh idk

[cedar sandal]

Are there any AOE weapons for taking out pesky hordes of shitty melee enemies

[digital gazelle]

is that a good way to find a certain type of gun? ive heard buying grays can be good but idk

[solar sky]

Just posted my first build guide for veteran, would love some feedback on it. It's a commissar revolver build, but has a few unique things about it that I think really make the revolver one of the best weapons in the game for vets.

This is my first video project, so it's a bit rough around the edges, but I hope I'm able to share something new about how to make this playstyle really work to the fullest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gV7QMixP3M

[fathom edge]

plasma kinda, bolter is ok (for hoard)

[delicate moat]

I just use buy until rating mod and hopium

[cedar sandal]

Bolter you say?

[junior grail]

Waiting for the day Veteran gets a rotary grenade launcher

[fathom edge]

this shreds hoards but its hardly they best at it

[gusty bison]

This is a lie

[placid portal]

Lol

[gusty bison]

Run onslaught

Done

[placid portal]

Onslaught + Exploit weakness

[fathom edge]

this is my aoe goto

[cedar sandal]

There's nothing stronger than my faith in the Emperor
Except an M32 rotary grenade launcher

[gusty bison]

Yes. Your melee.

[placid portal]

Shovel Powerswords, Devil Claw, Combataxes with Brutal Momentum

[fathom edge]

even this handles groups pretty well

[cedar sandal]

I like the Chainsword

[gusty bison]

Bolter and plasma both have way too poor ammo to even think about shooting hordes

[delicate moat]

and perhaps shredder nade if u run that

[cedar sandal]

Chainsword go vroom

[placid portal]

Chainsword

nice

[junior grail]

Thump thump thump

...

Boom boom boom

[placid portal]

But don't like the Diagonal Heavies

[dusty ferry]

My go to for AOE is shovel and SHOUT

[cedar sandal]

With my chainsword and lasgun
I cut through hordes of daemonspawn

[delicate moat]

my go to AOE can also be run to teammates

[placid portal]

my favorite AoE,
Woe, a Grenade upon Yee

[fathom edge]

ive found with the cleave blessing, the lights are better for hoard clear

[junior grail]

Claw 7 ain't too bad for horde clear

[placid portal]

yep

Mk1 don't need much thinking either

[cedar sandal]

Does veteran get an automatic lasgun

[dusty ferry]

MK6 Power sword does well in clearing hordes too

Yes

3

[placid portal]

Ye it's the accratan Pattern

[cedar sandal]

The recon lasgun?

[fathom edge]

the recons

[cedar sandal]

Interesting

[placid portal]

Ye

[cedar sandal]

I'll look into those

[junior grail]

Recon

...or if you're really spicy, Full Auto mod with any lasgun

[placid portal]

Might be a tad disappointing

For recon

[delicate moat]

everytime someone shoots trash with recon i die a little inside

[placid portal]

Agreed

[cedar sandal]

Any?

[dusty ferry]

I enjoy recon a lot

[gusty bison]

Kinda but they are all about precision headshots

[dusty ferry]

Like

[fathom edge]

mk4 especially though

[delicate moat]

ppl be unloading into hoardes with recon

[dusty ferry]

Recon feels so good to use

[gusty bison]

And all of them are atrocious at killing chaff

[fathom edge]

shit nearly fires as fast as recon

[cedar sandal]

Also, I like using the Kantrael 12 but mostly for spray and pray

[dusty ferry]

Forget about lasgun

[junior grail]

I recommend you try everything in base game first before you rely on Full Auto mod

[dusty ferry]

Infantry autogun

[placid portal]

M1A kantrael is really nice

[gusty bison]

Nah braced auto suits his style better

[placid portal]

the dmg bump really made it good contender

[fathom edge]

braced 8 feels great

[gusty bison]

IAG is a fake full auto gun xD

[fathom edge]

everyone raves about graia i thought but its mid to me

[placid portal]

Graia IAGs?

[dusty ferry]

Braced autoguns are great but something about infantry autoguns is addicting

Or it is me using obscure stuff

[placid portal]

Being able to use the sights are great

[cedar sandal]

Is there a way to remove the sight on my lasgun

I just want the irons

[gusty bison]

Shoot heads get kills.

IAG is for when u wanna aim

[placid portal]

You could use mods

[fathom edge]

not perfect obv but, im not a big fan

[placid portal]

You could make it work

[junior grail]

It is, i love it. Its just that all IAGs outperform them all

[placid portal]

Meh

Understandable

[gusty bison]

IAGs being 2.7x finesse is a drug

Lel

[placid portal]

That is true

[gusty bison]

They could do with a base damage reduction

[fathom edge]

also mk7 head kinda nice now

[placid portal]

Fucking 139 damage on normal hits but 500+ on headshot

[gusty bison]

Cos atm 4k dps headshot is lol

[junior grail]

Thoughts on Graia Brauto? I like the idea of it but i don't always seem to do well with it

[gusty bison]

Lmao

[gusty bison]

Its the brauto that doesnt like to run and gun as much

So u get up close, brace, and unload

[placid portal]

Still don't understand Graia IAGs what is ther unique trait

[gusty bison]

It relies more on dodging

[gusty bison]

IAG?

Nothing

Its the in between gun

[velvet wraith]

how bad can hadron brick it

[delicate moat]

very

[gusty bison]

I. A. G.

[velvet wraith]

place bets

[fathom edge]

i wanna roll this but it makes my fingy hurt till i figure out mods

[placid portal]

BRRR

[placid portal]

there are helpful videos in youtube that tells you step by step

also read mod descriptions in nexus

[junior grail]

Pewpewpewpewpew

[fathom edge]

oh i like, know how to mod and did all that

i just didnt work for me

i think i need a fresh install

[placid portal]

Hm

[fathom edge]

and havent bothered

[junior grail]

Did you run the bat file?

[fathom edge]

yeah

[junior grail]

Weird

[fathom edge]

and manually set the load order file

but even without mods

just loader and the framwork

it wouldnt boot

crashes

[delicate moat]

i just downloaded someone's mod pack on steam guide lel

[junior grail]

Try Mez mod pack, it has everything set nicely

[delicate moat]

seems to work fine

ah yeah that

[fathom edge]

first attempt was using vortex

when that didnt work i tried to reset (did a verify) and did it all manually

and no dice

[junior grail]

Try Mez, it hasnt failed me yet

[dusty nacelle]

did you make sure to type the mods into the load order txt file when doing it manually

[fathom edge]

yeah did all, the file name directly copied

and tried the -- it suggested

[dusty ferry]

Oh ye

[dusty nacelle]

I think when it means separate by line it means pressing enter and typing the other mods below

but i'm a little dumb so

[fathom edge]

i tried it like 3 ways, the first time was exactly as it showed as the example

formating wise

[dusty ferry]

I see some people get 1 hit kills on elites or do massive damage to bosses with the first shot of a shotgun in the mag and reload it, then repeat. Is there a build or such? I am confused about it but I want to try this.

[gusty bison]

Agripinna shotty

[placid portal]

Slug shotty peak gaming

[gusty bison]

The build is.

Press special.

Aim.

Left click

[velvet wraith]

how does sustained fire work on columnus mk V

[gusty bison]

Thats it

[gusty bison]

Bullet number 3 and 4 on a salvo do more damage

As is on the tin

[placid portal]

I've been sleeping on Agripinaa Shotty for so long I've been woken up with good feeling

[dusty ferry]

Ah

Thank you

[sharp ember]

a salvo resets after not shooting for like 1 second

[gusty bison]

Basically learn to burst ur IAG.

[velvet wraith]

ah thanks guardsman

[gusty bison]

Less. A salvo resets on a full recoil reset

IAGs reset fast

[fathom edge]

yeah it bonks

[placid portal]

It feels soo good

I'm looking for Full Bore for peak slug gaming

[gusty bison]

Its unironically better on Zealot than Vet

Cos Revolver hits all the BPs on Vet

[placid portal]

True

[keen wharf]

that shotgun one shots Reapers for me.

[placid portal]

Revolver for Vet is like Agripinaa Shotgun for Zealot

[gusty bison]

Ye

Revolver misses some annoying BPs on zealot

Flamers being the big one

[wintry bay]

peak veteran body type

[placid portal]

Can't believe Handcannon fuckin 2 shots Maulers Crusher on Headshots

I've tested it and I've been going insane

[gusty bison]

80% rending

[placid portal]

Big Hits

[solemn niche]

try 25 carapace and 10 elite

you can oneshot

[placid portal]

Wanna Keep maniac for specialists bc iirc for specialists you need to crit headshot for flamers if you don't go maniac

[solemn niche]

question: I can only pick 1 perk for revolver, what perk should it be ?

[placid portal]

Maniac

[fathom edge]

mines far from perfect

[placid portal]

Rip

[gusty bison]

Rip

[solemn niche]

I guessed right 😄

[placid portal]

Also if you run deadshot + opening shot +5% crit chance node you have 50% base crit while ADS on first shot so 5~6 stacks is more than enough

But without it it's still 40%

[gusty bison]

On vet it should be a clean 1 tap

On zealot u need a crit

[empty heron]

Hmm. Anyone tested this? In coherency you should have 103% toughness damage reduction. How much from a say 100 damage hit does that mean.

[gusty bison]

Toughness DR is multiplicstive not additive

[placid portal]

Yea imma have to try it again bc the last I tested was before patch 13

[empty heron]

Ah. Thanks.

[placid portal]

that 30% weakpoint definitely could make the breakpoint likely

[gusty bison]

But you should be taking less than 20

[ionic sparrow]

is there a t4 blaze away perk for the m35 plasma gun?

[gusty bison]

No

[placid portal]

It's a myth

[stable spear]

To give a quick example, if you have 2x 50% toughness damage reduction you have 75% reduction, not 100% damage reduction

[gusty bison]

Yes

[placid portal]

a hoax if you will

[placid portal]

Seems like damage reduction is multiplicitive huh

[placid portal]

What

[fathom edge]

but im missing a 5% node i think

[junior grail]

He found a penny

[placid portal]

weapon stats? Specifically dmg pen

[fathom edge]

asd

[midnight patrol]

Las pistol is not bad at all. I dont even have the right blessing for it

[placid portal]

Damn

Laspistol is alright

[midnight patrol]

Being such a nimble marksman is quite a nice vibe

[placid portal]

Onslaught Lucius MK3 is the best anti shooter elite experience with volley fire + Counter fire

[fathom edge]

if i stepped back like an inch it probably kills

[placid portal]

Likely do

How fast does longshot stack anyways

XP

They didn't change longshot dmg ranges right?

as in distance needed to gain dmg

[fathom edge]

this was a bad weapon to test it on lol

[placid portal]

LMAO

Try Exploit weakness + Onslaught

and maybe some of that +10% Rending

[placid portal]

30% + 2.5%x 16

[gusty bison]

Luci Mk2 would like a word :P

[placid portal]

Ye but I hate its puny shortbarrel

[fathom edge]

seems to scale to about 30m

[gusty bison]

Kek

[round yacht]

This is worth to grab right? mine is similar but 71% stability and 79% damage.

[placid portal]

Also icky blue color

[fathom edge]

or range falloff idk

[gusty bison]

Yes

[gusty bison]

Stacks up to 40m i think?

[placid portal]

then when does it start stacking

🤔

[gusty bison]

15?

[placid portal]

20m?

[gusty bison]

15 or 20

I forgot

[placid portal]

Ngl that's worse than Killzone

[fathom edge]

look at pictures, seems to start sooner

[round yacht]

Result. should i do sprint -> flak and upgrade shattering impact to lvl 4? or ditch that and do both perks to lvl 4?

[gusty bison]

They might have made it start at 0

[gusty bison]

Remove shattering impact

You want surgical

[round yacht]

Yeah i have that

[placid portal]

Despite how Killzone is a meme bc it won't last long 8ms is surprisingly close

[gusty bison]

Flak is no longer needed as well

[fathom edge]

8m

[gusty bison]

Go check your breakpoints

[placid portal]

🤔

[gusty bison]

Thing is Kill Zone is from ALL enemies

[placid portal]

Tru

[gusty bison]

Longshot is from the guy ur shooting

[mellow lantern]

what do ya'll think

this plus savage sweep?

or should I aim for something else

[placid portal]

nice

Good news about killzone + longshot is how you can benefit from it from sniping elites then start gunning down shooters before hoarde

[gusty bison]

Fair but like

You dont need either vs shooters

[fathom edge]

probably rampage if you're going cleave for aoe

[gusty bison]

Ur spending more time adjusting ur aim at that range than actually shooting vs shooters

[fathom edge]

or bloodletter if you're going for specials

[placid portal]

Good point

[mellow lantern]

probs rampage then since I use it for ad clear

[placid portal]

Engaging Long range does have severe downsides of having to adjust enemy positions while avoiding getting suppressed

[gusty bison]

Longshot i usually only use if im using a gun with damage falloff that I need to compensate for to continue hitting breakpoints at mid-long range

[fathom edge]

i always gotta fit this into my shooty builds cause that shits too annoying

sway at range is so painful

[placid portal]

I just have longshot bc I like shredda grenades

[gusty bison]

Imho longshot works best on autoguns

[placid portal]

tru

That is not deniable

Really offsets dmg falloff

[gusty bison]

Oh and shotguns

[placid portal]

Pretty much

anything not a lasgun

[gusty bison]

Dogshit on infantry lasguns

XD

Yes I would like to one tap the guy im one tapping harder plz

[placid portal]

I heard you like reverse falloff,

So I put reverse falloff on your reverse falloff so that you can benefit from reverse fallof while having reverse falloff

[junior grail]

Reversest of falloffs

[placid portal]

at this rate just make lasguns have damage rampup when getting closer with longshot and lose reverse falloff

[frank ether]

I mean longshot along with volley fire makes autoguns work regardless

[placid portal]

Volley fire do be a fun work

[mellow lantern]

love it when I get an all veteran team

[placid portal]

God

WElp All Krak as well

Good luck with hoardes

A veteran can hold his own for sure

[fathom edge]

i know this is bugged for progress reporting, but can you still complete it?

or is it fully bugged

[placid portal]

Pretty sure bugged and not fixed

[tall torrent]

Fully bugged atm

[placid portal]

didnt see any hotfix

[tall torrent]

It’s ok just go for the redacted penances, the gear pieces u get look better anyway

[fathom edge]

done with most

[gusty bison]

Killzone should step down with number of enemies within 8m tbh

Not be a binary state

[placid portal]

would be cool

[sharp ember]

"Sniper, but worse" is what it currently is

[fathom edge]

and all i need for regular really is the resupply

[gusty bison]

1% damage per stack. 15 stacks Lose a stack for each enemy within 8m

[placid portal]

That would make it really strong

Even better than Opening shot

[stone birch]

i dropped killzone from my builds because on auric maelstrom or hi-intensity shock troop gauntlets, there;s always enemies within 8 meters

[gusty bison]

10 stacks then

:P

[junior grail]

Imagine balance

[placid portal]

But then again

it dependant on map imo

So for the Scanning mission for Plagues is a definite dead passive

[gritty dock]

Have you thought about Bloodletter (+11-14 Bleed Stacks from Special Attacks.) when sawing harder targets and Unyielding.
I like this blessing if you are sawing because it still deals a lot of damage and finishes the job even if you jump away from the enemy.

[junior grail]

Hab Dreyko?

[placid portal]

Ye

The last part specifically

also have alot of tight corridors

[stone birch]

also opening shot on a helbore lasgun built to crit with surgical and the shock trooper talent is effectively infinite ammo. also hits like ~75% as hard as a revolver on a comparable veteran build

[gusty bison]

Yes helbore is strong

[junior grail]

One day ppl are gonna love Efficiency blessing

[placid portal]

Helbore good but not as reactive vs revolver but unlike revolver has good antishooter

[gusty bison]

Also which helbore? Cos the hel3 hits way harder than a revolver

[placid portal]

Hel 3 needs carapace + Bring it down to even 2 shot crushers

[chilly jewel]

can't decide which blessing to replace for powercycler :/ any input?

[placid portal]

Even maulers need 3 shots with 2 crits on body 2 shot on head with carapace

[stone birch]

Hel3. It lags a bit on carapace armor, which is why my helbore 3 has 20% more damage to carapace enemies and Bring it down! ... but I also get bring it down on everything

[junior grail]

How is helbore with other Blessings?

[placid portal]

Surgical Onslaught

[vivid ocean]

they should buff smoke grenades by turning them into the ranger veteran ultimate

[placid portal]

You could take no respite over onslaught

[polar breach]

With decent cleave already is Sunder even worth keeping?

[vivid ocean]

just instant stealth

[junior grail]

Enemies in smoke are highlighted, problem solved

[placid portal]

Power sword gameplay loop
[Special] + [M1] + [M1]

[vivid ocean]

still kinda useless, id just rather bring the other nades

it needs to do something other than highlight

maybe a huge speed debuff

to enemies

so enemies engaging in melee move way slower

[sharp ember]

drop Sunder for Power Cycler, powered swings with slaughterer will suffice for virtually anything, unless you're trying to cleave through like 6 crushers

[placid portal]

Or vs Elites(crusher/mauler/rager/anything you want dead)
[Special] [Block> Push] [Hold M1 then release]

[junior grail]

They attack... EACH OTHER

[placid portal]

or if you have maniac vs Muties
[Special] + [Heavy]

[vivid ocean]

that would be really good too

[placid portal]

My point exactly

SHould have Hoardes infight in smoke

[vivid ocean]

pheromone gas from drg sounds great

[placid portal]

Elites and specials are immune to it but hoarde will attack them

[sharp ember]

that sounds like a cartoon dust cloud fight

[placid portal]

My point

[junior grail]

Best kind of fight there is

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-cartoon-animated-scuffle-gif-7221267

PoV new Smoke causing infighting in smoke

Which is possible bc fatshark did make necromancer for vermintide

[junior grail]

I gave up with FatShark implementing things they learnt from Vermintide into Darktide

[sharp ember]

friendly npcs that actually do something never ever

[placid portal]

lol

bots doing the yoinky sploinky

[sharp ember]

specials spawning from behind on that bridge that's supposed to have a friendly tank line defending it

[midnight patrol]

I see three power swords. What hordes?

[junior grail]

Sploinky sounds dirty

[placid portal]

The ones you aren't killing that is on top of your teammates that is just netted

[wanton dawn]

Slaughterer is not even top 3 of ps blessings right now

[placid portal]

Brutal momentum weakpoint increase really make or breaks 2 tap kill potential ngl

[solemn niche]

shotgun is almost immune to suppression with high enough stability

try revolver

[wanton dawn]

The best blessing besides pc in no particular order are bm, sunder and rampage

[solemn niche]

gives me seasickness

[junior grail]

I never would have thought I'd like Brutal Momentum on Psword

[junior grail]

Its like your gun got possessed and is trying to run away

[wanton dawn]

Among those 3, sunder is the best defensively, bm for single target bp, rampage if you can proc it which is not always possible

[solemn niche]

how is bm calculated ?

I read somewhere with patch 13 they updated weakspot damage

[wanton dawn]

It increases wk dmg and remove damage fallof on multi target

Sunder increase cleave massively and ignore cleave interrupt mechanism

[placid portal]

antax axe eating good with brutal momentum

[mellow lantern]

should I upgrade this or keep rolling?

[junior grail]

I'm still not comfortable with the new Bromentum Caxes... i know I'm a heretic

[placid portal]

havent used it much bc of shovel and claws

[wanton dawn]

Sunder increase stagger distribution and availability massively hence why i call it safest

[junior grail]

Shovel is like a mini fast hammer at this point

One of the best base melee weapons imo

[junior grail]

Damage too i assume?

[placid portal]

Good for saving yourself from hoardes and cleaving away a path

Not sure if it is good for damage usage

Vs rager/crusher/mauler it's just special light or heavy loop if vs 1

[junior grail]

Damage distribution i mean

[wanton dawn]

It depends

Sunder is better on melee elite that are not dreg rager

On dreg rager rampage is better

Cuz ps has trouble touching 3 melee elites

With sunder your cleave is plasma like

[placid portal]

Man I love how Powersword kills muties in 1 empowered heavy with maniac perk

[round yacht]

Oh really...

[placid portal]

Lol

[low wadi]

what melee wep is good with braced autogun?

[placid portal]

Just join 1 sedition and kill one scab

[round yacht]

1 shotting muties is sooo satisfying

[placid portal]

Then leave

[junior grail]

Which? Mk 3?

[placid portal]

Mk6 iirc

For what I used

[round yacht]

Oh i don't have to complete the mission?

[junior grail]

Nyope

[placid portal]

Dunno just sayin as a joke

[round yacht]

Ok and is a scab those with black armor?

[placid portal]

Ye the flak bois

[round yacht]

sweet thanks

[placid portal]

The ex Mobius units

[junior grail]

Flak bois sound kinda dirty

[wanton dawn]

Here is a good display of sunder strenght: #veteran-class message without it i would not be able to stagger anything reliably

[worthy ore]

I've been playing veteran class since a week and the class is a blast once you get to know couple of playstyles.

[placid portal]

Really the jack of all class

[low wadi]

can someone tell me what wep is good to use with braced autogun?

melee

[placid portal]

Anything but knife

[low wadi]

caxe?

[junior grail]

What perks?

[wanton dawn]

From memory unyield+maniac

[placid portal]

Why not? grab brutal momentum and start cleaving

[low wadi]

i like to waste all my ammo on hordes dont tell anyone

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-racing-gif-26528796

[worthy ore]

I'm still a subservient Emperor's zealot at first who's cocained up on speed and zooms around backstabbing heretics. But I'm liking veteran

[junior grail]

Use recon then

[placid portal]

Lmao

[worthy ore]

Due to lack of players in my region I often miss on playing heresy or higher right now but I'm sure I'll enhance my skills to rely on myself more than team to play in heresy+

[low wadi]

i dont even really need a mele wep

like i could just go without it i feel

[worthy ore]

Grape!

[low wadi]

im a goddamn veteran and bonking peaple is peasent work

im above that

[cedar sandal]

Chainsword go vroom

[low wadi]

oh yeah maybe

[cedar sandal]

What do you do when you run out of ammo

[junior grail]

Here's an idea, use gun bash only

[low wadi]

yell at my teamtes

[junior grail]

With bleed on melee

[zealous wyvern]

get a caxe or chainsword if you prefer using brauto for most enemies

[mellow lantern]

is this okay or too much

[low wadi]

yeah tbh chainsword makes kinda sense

with rev

[zealous wyvern]

yep

[junior grail]

Not enough

[placid portal]

Chainsword nice

[placid portal]

This

[zealous wyvern]

and bleed

so you take down the ppl you cant hit with your gun

[worthy ore]

I'm also enjoying the braced autogun. I like lasgun but braced autogun is just too satisfying with hit impact...

[low wadi]

[zealous wyvern]

nice

very nice

[junior grail]

I gotta practise more with Graia Brauto, i know its not the best but I like the concept of it

[zealous wyvern]

now pray with us

[junior grail]

Promising!

Id replace Wrath with Shred and Unyielding with Flak

[low wadi]

works, just swap warth with rampage and maniacs with flak?

[junior grail]

Blessed be

[delicate moat]

lol i randomly upgraded a green ps and got power cycler 4, whereas previously i had to wait for months at melk...

[low wadi]

ok yea swap unyielding and wrath

maybe i get rev it up bless 😄

[meager socket]

what should i change

[zealous wyvern]

get flak and bloodletter imo

so you can kill anything your gun is not good against

not the best build usually but good for your purpose

[low wadi]

what does rampage do again

[solemn niche]

lol you have so much cleave you are hitting enemies behind a bulwark

[mellow lantern]

best thing about this mod is you can make a proper length chainsword

[delicate moat]

ventilation purge

[mellow lantern]

l o n g

[solemn niche]

maybe too long ? 🤔

[low wadi]

fuuk, do i get rev it up 4 or rampage 4 :S

[solemn niche]

wot, why rev it up

[low wadi]

to run

[solemn niche]

bloodletter 4 to kill monstrosities, rampage for hordes

[fallen geyser]

is there any shotgun worth using?

[mellow lantern]

no such thing

[solemn niche]

agripinaa combat shotgun is revolver lite, can oneshot most enemies on headshot

(with the slug)

[fallen geyser]

lol wtf is that?

[low wadi]

sry, what are monstrosites?

[fallen geyser]

tah!

[solemn niche]

its a longlas

[solemn niche]

plague ogryn beast of nurgle chaos spawn

the bleed really helps chew through their 50k hp

[low wadi]

oh

[mellow lantern]

emphasis on the long part

[fallen geyser]

it a bug?

[light brook]

Is it time?

[low wadi]

i have braced autogun, what do u think i should get?

[solemn niche]

It's the infamous weapon customization mod

[fallen geyser]

AH

cheat 😛

[low wadi]

reason i wanted rev it up is cuz i basicly only use the gun and never sword

[mellow lantern]

its imeassurably complex

.>

[solemn niche]

try rev it up if you dont like it you can stil change it 😄

advantage of open blessing slot

[low wadi]

what

i can change it?

[fallen geyser]

Hmmm.. put flack and maniac on it and it's not bad right?

[mellow lantern]

this looks less cursed for a long las

[sharp ember]

big oof on those blessings, but i think flak + maniac is the play

you don't want those blessings which are encouraging dumping into crowds

[frank ether]

almost always flaniac

[solemn niche]

yeah 99% of enemies you want to shoot are either flak or maniac XD

the remaining 1% is beast of nurgle

[round yacht]

advice? should i swap volatile with blaze away? and crit damage to maniac or unyielding?

[solemn niche]

I would swap crit damage with carapace (for crusher oneshot) or maniac (for mutant oneshot)

[sharp ember]

confirm in the psykhanium if +10% elites secures 1 uncharged headshot on heavy gunners in your build

scab and dreg gunners

[round yacht]

ok gonna check

[sharp ember]

i agree critdmg to maniac/unyielding, and volatile to BA though

[solemn niche]

why uny9ielding ? do you plan on shooting reapers with your plasmagun ?

[placid portal]

1 shot bulwark and chunk bosses

[mellow lantern]

whats a good blessing for infantry lasgun

[stuck bridge]

ghost and crit headshot damage

*deadly accurate

[empty heron]

Sexy chainsword

[low wadi]

thx

[serene temple]

is melee vet worth it

[light brook]

the damage is pretty ridiculous

[serene temple]

I find melee so fun

[light brook]

you're far squishier than a zealot and can't use slow weapons safely due to interruption

the damage is silly though, and you can smoke grenade mindbreak AI to walk into your sword

[delicate moat]

[sick marsh]

anyone remind me what the kasrkyn set for veteran looks like?

[foggy terrace]

Chainsword stealth vet, my beloved

[stuck bridge]

not even "worth" it. You can run plasma with full melee talents and its just as good, i would say full ranged build isnt worth it

[foggy terrace]

Can also play action monkey with the multiple stealth charges

[stuck bridge]

nah shout

[foggy terrace]

Where you play for revives and objectives

[sick marsh]

hybrid veteran is the most solid option since neither 1 excells sufficiently to put all your build into it.

[empty heron]

This is fun and pretty decent

dropping final 2 points in right tree for scavenger is probably worth it

[frank ledge]

One seen, never unseen

[crude wind]

depends, what gun are you running with this

[foggy terrace]

Add the extra one we got for comparison

[silk sleet]

Was actually so disappointed by the outfit

[frank ledge]

I was too

[silk sleet]

They made the steel legion look cooler

[light brook]

That's a really tanky melee vet that'd do well with plasma if you get scavenger. Although the 30% headshot (15% actually) is huge value for melee and ranged, and if you run shout you already have excess survivability.

[crude wind]

the Krieg skins aren't too good imo. Zealot and Psyker got the best deal

the gas masks look a bit cartoony

almost cute in a way

[jaunty herald]

mickey mouse gas mask

[golden axle]

zealot having a bald exposure AGAIN is obnoxious af

[silk sleet]

borzoi gas mask

[empty heron]

I'd go laspistol or revolver. Just as a backup in case melee doesn't cut the cheese. Any thoughts?

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-8197900

the trenchcoat is also bad

[compact rune]

i use controller so my aim isnt the best and wepon suggestions?

[mellow lantern]

flamer

[tropic copper]

anybody wanna swap carries for on overwatch penance?

[compact rune]

u can get a flamer on vet?

[mellow lantern]

nah

[compact rune]

f

[mellow lantern]

hmmm

torrent recon lasgun

vet flamer

[placid portal]

Finally somehow got on overwatch with columus

[silk sleet]

They shouldve just committed to the greatcoat and left the shoulder armour off

[sick marsh]

where's that right hand image from?

[placid portal]

Maybe just a standard krieger gear drawn on

[placid portal]

Thats the real mask the use in alot of krieg guardsmen uniform

[placid portal]

Dunno if anyone tried wearing gasmasks but hope you arent claustrophobic

[placid portal]

Especially hell in summer

[silk sleet]

Ive worn dust masks and theyre bad enough

[placid portal]

Whats worse is summer is prime time for chemical weapons to be most effective

As the chemicals can be gaseus

I worn a gas mask for 1 hr + during drills

Really sucks bc it gets difficult to breathe well

[placid portal]

Ahhh krieg vs orks

[mellow lantern]

kreg

[south prairie]

Kek

[placid portal]

Kark

[mellow lantern]

I made lots of gifs when this disc was counting down the few days left till darktide launches

Darktide at home

[silk sleet]

unification or apocalypse

[south prairie]

The zealot is just standing there

Menacingly

[mellow lantern]

I forgot

its been a long time

unification I think

[mellow lantern]

mans waiting for them ragers to come close and get it

[past knot]

Do headshots count as crit or weakspot?

[silk sleet]

Weakspot, crits are RNG

[past knot]

Its a sad day innit

Thanks

[silk sleet]

weakspot and crit damage perks bad just fyi

[mellow lantern]

are these any good for an infantry las gun

[silk sleet]

swap infested for flak and its literally perfect

[frank ether]

Idk about worth it but its playable

just not in the way fatshark probably intended

[empty heron]

It's viable! Maybe not optimal.

[frank ether]

I can show you my talent tree if you want

I made a compromise build thats essentially melee vet but brings some decent utility aswell

[placid portal]

Melee vet is fun

[past knot]

Yeah figured as much still can be nice

[placid portal]

Just gotta pair gunplay as well

[frank ether]

yeah exactly

[stuck bridge]

Plasma + Devils Claw. works great all around

[empty heron]

Agile Engagement ❤️

[frank ether]

most melee vet setups seem to go for shout but I use infiltrate because I'm larping as commando vet lmao

[placid portal]

Devil claw is a good all rounder duelist weapon imo

[empty heron]

You really need the extra 10% ranged damage?

[placid portal]

Makes or breaks some kills

[stuck bridge]

to body shot shotgunners with uncharged shot. if you dont care about that you can drop some damage

[empty heron]

I see.

[foggy terrace]

1 million entrance fee for commando vet

+aquilas for the vox caster

[frank ether]

I mean I'm still running grenade printer and survivalist

[foggy terrace]

[foggy terrace]

Everyone runs grenade printer no?

[placid portal]

Just rp as ww1 trench raider

[empty heron]

Mandatory

[low wadi]

with brased autogun, what mid tree should i take? ive been using voice of command

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-battlefield-1-trench-raider-trench-raider-kit-bf1-gif-13697230943630810908

[frank ether]

I've seen some that use the medkit perk instead but imo its too unreliable due to finding ammo/med crates being RNG

[acoustic wyvern]

do you melee alot

[placid portal]

And ppl will snag any consumables

[low wadi]

no, barely anyhing

[foggy terrace]

Commando vet in question

[acoustic wyvern]

survivalist is for you the left tree

[frank ether]

guard drip

[low wadi]

i mean ultimate ability tree

[frank ether]

infantry autoguns are pretty good for melee vet ngl

[placid portal]

You know what really grind my gears?

[frank ether]

especially col iag

[spare wolf]

Cringe camo

[placid portal]

The jaket you get from rejecy unite is too fat

[acoustic wyvern]

oh then you can either go left or mid. I personally like mid for survival

[placid portal]

So mich imbalanced weight on the torso

And worse of all...

BLUD TUCKS THE JACKET IN THE PANTS WTFFF

[frank ether]

I mean thats just how real leather jackets be like

esp if you wear it over something

[foggy terrace]

As long as it is the most expensive set I'll wear it

[low wadi]

yeah ive been going mid too

[placid portal]

The jacket seems like it is tucked in the pants its kinda sad

Bc I like how it looks when you dont count the tucked in jackets

[compact rune]

is this a good role for my vet?

[frank ether]

yeah kinda

[silk sleet]

Vet put on weight and its riding his gut dont judge

[placid portal]

Like why would you tuck in your jacket in your pants

Who in the right mind

[acoustic wyvern]

for even more survival tho, i take covering fire and exhilirating takedown

[silk sleet]

Fat dudes wearing leather jackets look like that

[placid portal]

You shouldnt be tucking jackets in yout pants

[trim hemlock]

Fun fact: Exhilirating Takedown causes you to take more damage rather than less

[placid portal]

What

[trim hemlock]

It’s a detrimental feat currently

[acoustic wyvern]

is it bugged?

[trim hemlock]

It causes you to TAKE MORE DAMAGE, the more stacks you have of the TDR buff. Its values don’t have negatives

[placid portal]

BRUUUUHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-losing-my-grip-on-reality-i-have-gone-clinically-insane-my-descent-to-madness-is-complete-ive-gone-completely-mental-i-am-beyond-the-point-of-no-return-gif-23191724

Ffs FS

[low wadi]

makes sense,u go down left tree then?

[crude wind]

With an IAG this build is really strong

[placid portal]

Left tree and go until weakpoiny

[acoustic wyvern]

hold on i didnt know exhilirating takedown is bugged

[placid portal]

Suppression immunity is optional

[crude wind]

I've found I've not needed Scavenger at auric maelstrom because they do get a lot of ammo from pick ups

as long as your not spamming ranged into poxwalkers

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/going-crazy-going-insane-i-am-losing-my-mind-losing-it-crazy-gif-25758330

[trim hemlock]

That has been my experience as well

It’s an extremely efficient gun

[fallen geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[frank ether]

what the FUCK

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1084329743022821409/1121588499188023356/image0.gif

[frank ether]

wait exhilarating is really bugged or am I being trolled rn

[acoustic wyvern]

where is the proof for this btw? i gotta read up on it

[placid portal]

5 loadout slots is Not enough

Xppp

[frank ether]

https://imgur.com/gallery/wfTfVV9

[trim hemlock]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/exhilarating-takedown-increases-damage-to-toughness/84702

Somebody also posted a PSA about it on Reddit, if I recall correctly

[placid portal]

Also me: Make 2+ sets of basically same loadout with only difference being weapons and drip

[frank ether]

no wonder my vet felt so glass lmao

well, helbore vet did

[placid portal]

Lmao

[frank ether]

it was entirely relying on exhilarating

Ty fatshark I got gaslighted again

[crude wind]

yeah all 3 are absolute bangers this patch

[placid portal]

Maybe they will fix soon

[acoustic wyvern]

oh hell this sucks

[crude wind]

I think the recoil on the Agri I is busted

as in not working

[placid portal]

Agri 1 super nice

[crude wind]

so we'll see what that looks like when it gets fixed

[trim hemlock]

It feels lower than on Graia

[placid portal]

Pew pew and kill

[crude wind]

it is

way lower

it's supposed to climb like an AK 47

after a 3-4 bullets

[placid portal]

Lol

[crude wind]

it currently... does not

[frank ether]

kinda sad all the space AKs are braced guns

[crude wind]

XD

it's not braced its IAG

Braced Auto is the VIII

[placid portal]

And they kinda mid

[frank ether]

well they dont look like AKs

braced guns do

[crude wind]

sure

just in terms of mechanics

[frank ether]

oh sure

[crude wind]

i forget what everything looks like these day, just been spoiled by weapon customization mod XD

[placid portal]

Agripinaa only one closest to AK pattern

[frank ether]

I mean I would love some vertical climb on brrautos instead of this weird big cone random recoil thing

[crude wind]

Fatshark kicking themselves they didn't put that one out as paid DLC XD

[frank ether]

just saying

[placid portal]

Tru

[crude wind]

yeah brautos aren't my favourite

[frank ether]

the braced mode I mean

the hipfire of brrautos is fine and dandy

[placid portal]

Brautos are discount stubbas

[frank ether]

its the braced mode that should trade movement speed for acccurate controlled fire

but it doesnt

it just.... doesnt do anything

[placid portal]

Was precious time vs every other weapon kills em in 1 well placed shot

[frank ledge]

doesn't it increase suppresion?

[placid portal]

Nah

[frank ledge]

perfect

[placid portal]

Shooting applies suppression

[frank ledge]

no

[frank ether]

you notice suppression more with brrautos because you're just missing that much

[old quail]

the graia brauto's braced mode increases fire rate

[acoustic wyvern]

Great now that i know exhilirating is bugged, i got 3 extra points i have no idea where to use it

[old quail]

take exhilirating anyways to really challenge urself

[placid portal]

Convert to the mighty deadshot cult

[trim hemlock]

Go for Deadshot and embrace no stamina gaming

[acoustic wyvern]

nah i wouldnt do that to the team

BUT I NEED STAMINA

[frank ether]

I would unironically do deadshot brrauto if it had tight cone on braced fire's first few shots

[frank ledge]

"do that to the team"
assuming you have a team

[placid portal]

Just control your fire and dont tunnel

[frank ledge]

and not some "chaos damage absorvers"

[subtle smelt]

WOW

[placid portal]

Yea if it had tighter spread then deadshot could salvage

[foggy terrace]

Based

[placid portal]

Cool

[frank ether]

it absolutely would salvage it especially for melee vet

[placid portal]

Good luck on hadron

[frank ether]

currently your best way of tightening spread is by using volley fire

[subtle smelt]

how

[placid portal]

Yes

[acoustic wyvern]

Yes i run my game with my buds and yes they're a bit slower than me so yes i have to carry a lil

[zealous wyvern]

exhilerating is bugged?

[placid portal]

Yep

You takr more damage

[zealous wyvern]

that explains so much about my problems on shooter builds

[placid portal]

Lol

[zealous wyvern]

i get rekt on any shooter build because i dont have sustain and was getting very sad

[frank ledge]

Oh buds are great, was talking about pubs xd

[zealous wyvern]

currently running a melee bayonet build though that is fun

[frank ledge]

even a greenbeard bud can be brought to greatness

[placid portal]

Speedrunner pubs are worse

[frank ledge]

"I'm going to rush ahead, agro everything, trigger extra spawns and do it again when resed"

[placid portal]

You effictively have more enemies to manage with 1 less teammate

[wanton dawn]

If this is true this is yet another proof that ppl not only take crap talent but cannot even be bothered to remotely test them

[shut vector]

you know im starting to think the emperor might not like me that much

[wanton dawn]

At least i would not know cuz i always though it was bad regardless

[crude wind]

1/4

and bad stats

XD

[shut vector]

yeah lmao a t3 and a t4 and two t3 rolls on perks and its all utter shit

[placid portal]

15% toughness per weakpoint does sound good on paper why is not preferable on your thoughts?

[foggy terrace]

Do not ask how He has blessed you, just know that he has

[narrow laurel]

do i want deathspitter on this?

[wanton dawn]

Cuz it is 15% per RANGED weakspot KILL. If you can get that you are not under pressure

[acoustic wyvern]

also i noticed sometimes my grenades would spike up to 5 nades in a run. is there a perk that increases my max stack from 3 to 5 ?

[wanton dawn]

I mean, just compare with ck gameplay wise

[placid portal]

Mission modifier iirc

Ogryn now can have THREE OGRYNHEIMERS

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[acoustic wyvern]

hmm that explains it. Cause i'm always on quickplay

[wanton dawn]

I have games with more elite kills than weakspot touched on some setup

[placid portal]

Sheesh

[zealous wyvern]

not everyone is a tryhard. you may enjoy doing those kinds of tests but not everyone likes doing so in video games they play for casual fun

[frank ether]

what about the ones that sit in one room for 15 minutes

[zealous wyvern]

also how would i test that

meatgrinder does not attack without mods