veteran-class

[willow badger]

Plasma is fun but I love laspistol for the drip

[candid bridge]

It’d be nice if helbore could shoot thru walls when charged like the plasma

[willow badger]

Trying to learn to the mkxii

[midnight patrol]

I could never feel comfy with it. Using 5+ 'ammo' to have to dispatch stray shooters on the flank messes up my ammo wastage ocd lol

[karmic musk]

It can shoot through your Ogryn teammates at least

[slow spade]

I go for reliable

[karmic musk]

Also why I nvr use regular lasguns

[slow spade]

Nothing is more boring than losing

[karmic musk]

50% blocked by Ogryns

[midnight patrol]

That goes for any of the autoguns too lmao

[willow badger]

What's the best autogun anyways

[unkempt pawn]

Every time I swap off plasma for HB3 or big iron the Ogryns who like to phase through me when I'm firing come out of the woodwork

[midnight patrol]

IMO its the Agripanaa infantry autogun, or the headhunter MkVII

[willow badger]

Are the braced trash?

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[midnight patrol]

Its for different playstyles

[carmine cradle]

the slug one

[fallen bone]

mk IX is fun if you like your run and gun

[midnight patrol]

Braced are second to none in mowing down hordes, but you suffer at long range special counters

[candid bridge]

No, braced are great

[carmine cradle]

second to plasma*

and flamer

and melee

and grenades

and assails

[solid talon]

Still gonna used braced, autogun go brrrrr

[carmine cradle]

infantry autos are better

[solid talon]

Okay

[midnight patrol]

The ability for most autoguns to overpen/cleave is what really makes em interesting I feel

although the infantry lasguns also have overpen/cleave now I noticed.

[karmic musk]

Not the feeling of shooting actual physical bullets into heretics?

[carmine cradle]

might i interest u in the 1 shotting everything 100 cleave menace to society that is the plasma gun?

[celest vine]

Just use the holy bolter

[midnight patrol]

I tried, I.. just could not like it

[carmine cradle]

HOW?????

[midnight patrol]

Not my gunplay style, and that's okay

[carmine cradle]

heresy

[cloud goblet]

The Hand Cannon blessing's rending applies to allies too cause spaghetti. I headshot gunners through my Ogryn friends a lot

[midnight patrol]

Is a Vraks mkVII main.

[solid talon]

Eh it just doesn't feel super fun to me. I get where the strength is in it but I really don't like hurting myself when I vent heat

[carmine cradle]

not liking the plasma gun is heresy

[carmine cradle]

its a tiny amount of damage, and u recover it relativly quickly

[bright coyote]

i could see why one would prefer the vraks 7

[midnight patrol]

I've played with it enough and gotten rolls on the VII to the point i can very, very comfortably land headshots at short to med range as fast as it can shoot

[narrow laurel]

fuck hadron

[karmic musk]

Vraks is really good at killing shooters

[solid talon]

Understandable. But I never did like charge guns

[carmine cradle]

i mean lets be honest

[karmic musk]

And you dont even have to charge like Helbore

[midnight patrol]

Can clean up shooters and specials at 10 meters, all the way out to 50 just as clean and fast

[carmine cradle]

i only charge it in very specific situations

most of the time i just spamfire its normal shot

[bright coyote]

yea the self damage from plasma gun is negligible at all times

[carmine cradle]

lets be honest, blessings on the plasma arent really that important

[candid bridge]

And you if you have a Psyker with shield dome it doesn’t even hurt you at all

[slow spade]

Blaze away is amazing

[karmic musk]

Btw I just realised you can manual vent the Plasma Gun a few days ago

[carmine cradle]

like, do they matter?

yeah technically

[karmic musk]

Been using it since launch for so long without knowing

[narrow laurel]

gets hot..?

[carmine cradle]

but its not like powercyler

[midnight patrol]

With the build I'm using this thing gets so many hilarious crit moments

[slow spade]

Yes they matter lol

[carmine cradle]

crits on the plasma gun are usually overkill

[midnight patrol]

Getting 1500+ crit headshots is funni

[slow spade]

40% damage and a large crit boost helps

[karmic musk]

Doesnt Plasma crit suck

[slow spade]

Crushers, maulers, ragers, and bulwarks

[slow spade]

Got a heavy buff

30% or 40% higher damage now

[karmic musk]

But I heard Deadshot doesnt work with it

[narrow laurel]

theres a lot of breakpoints when it crits tho

[slow spade]

Yeah

[midnight patrol]

Reloading is pretty fast too for venting if you run the two reload perks

[candid bridge]

PG is legit insane now

[carmine cradle]

i said USUALLY

[midnight patrol]

On the other end of the spectrum, the Apripanaa slug shotgun is hilairous with a good deadshot build

[carmine cradle]

its not like powercycler on the powersword where its pretty much required

[slow spade]

You can get a base of 20% crit for the first 5 shots in a mag from talents

[midnight patrol]

Sniper shotgun is such a meme

[serene solar]

What's the difference between the two power swords?

[slow spade]

Then don't say stupid shit like "does it matter" when it fucking does

[carmine cradle]

6 is better

[slow spade]

MK3 is hordeclear and does Not Slow when charging

MK6 is higher damage but slows when charging

But you can block when charging

MK3 is better for offensive

[serene solar]

Oh okay neat

[karmic musk]

MK6 has a single target combo with push attack -> light

[slow spade]

MK6 is better for defenses

[midnight patrol]

The 6's heavy pattern is painful admitedly

[serene solar]

Thanks

[slow spade]

MK3 also has a push attack

Its just less damage

[midnight patrol]

I think most folk here use the 6's push attack to one or two tap maulers and crushers tho.

[candid bridge]

MK6 3 light attacks with PC4 shreds hordes

[carmine cradle]

im stil trying to figure out what the best second blessing is for a generalist mk6 powersword

[slow spade]

MK3 can too

[karmic musk]

Power Cycler Slaughterer?

[carmine cradle]

1st one is obviosly powercycler 4

[slow spade]

Its just MK6 is better at it

[karmic musk]

Brutal Momentum for ultimate horde clear

[midnight patrol]

Doesnt the mk3 have a horrible nerf where the cleave damage gets really badly spread out?

[carmine cradle]

the brittleness lets u do some nasty shit to crushers, so its a serious condieration

[slow spade]

That's Patch 13

Fixed in Patch 14

[midnight patrol]

Ohhh

[candid bridge]

Also good for crushers and bosses

[carmine cradle]

its 10% brittleness per hit with the 4th tier version (i tested it)

[midnight patrol]

I might have to rebuild back my mk3 then

Was one of my fav headslicer swords

[carmine cradle]

and that lets u stack brittleness pretty quick

[slow spade]

Its the best damage melee option for Vet nnow

But you have like no block or push

I personally prefer Mk3 because no slowdown

That MK6 slowdown gets me hit too many times

[carmine cradle]

ice cold opinion: best melee for vet is the powersword, second place is chainsword

[candid bridge]

What do you mean by no slowdown

[slow spade]

Charge a MK6 and try moving

You get a heavy slowdown

[candid bridge]

Gotcha

[slow spade]

MK3 doesn't have it

[carmine cradle]

u can dodge during the slow tho

[midnight patrol]

Mk3 allows you to sprint and power slice folk while dodging about

[slow spade]

BUT it can't block when charging

[midnight patrol]

Its really nimble

[carmine cradle]

which.... mostly negates the downside?

[candid bridge]

I’ve just switched to the mk6 from the mk3 lol

[slow spade]

It does but dodging has its own issues

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 still got the better light, push attack and block properties

[karmic musk]

I prefer the stab into head chop combo of the Mk6

[slow spade]

Power sword has low dodge count

[midnight patrol]

mk6 seems like it is built heavily around using block and push attack heavily, for offensive purposes

[slow spade]

So using a dodge to charge is a bit risky

[karmic musk]

And you can near-insta defend while charging

[candid bridge]

I’ve been loving the mk6 for its light attack pattern and push attack to 1v1 elites, specials, ogryns and even bosses

[karmic musk]

then unleash 2-3 light swings to clear any trash around you

[wanton dawn]

Also block cancel the charge animation

[carmine cradle]

that instakill charged headshot thurst after the block is real good against dogs

[midnight patrol]

How are you guys getting more than one charge on your mk6's?

[devout atlas]

This should rlly be pinned tbh

[midnight patrol]

Do we have to find energised?

[slow spade]

Power Cycler

[carmine cradle]

powercycler

[bright coyote]

mk6 is bae

[midnight patrol]

powercycler, damn..

[midnight patrol]

I still haven't found that yet.

[carmine cradle]

powercycler 4 specifically

[slow spade]

Only way to get more charge

[karmic musk]

Think MK3 is serviceable without it maybe

[midnight patrol]

Jeez two extra charges is a massive boon for horde clear.

[karmic musk]

One charged to get Slaughterer up then use Heavy Attacks for horde

[slow spade]

I'd just use a Devil Claw imo

[midnight patrol]

I need to find one.

[karmic musk]

I wouldnt do without it on the Mk6 since you rely on light attacks

[midnight patrol]

use the parry function offensively against ragers and stuff?

[carmine cradle]

parry my beloved

[slow spade]

That and Devil Claw has better everything compared to PS uncharged

[midnight patrol]

I did try learning how to use it for offence instead of panic blocking lol

[willow badger]

I'm having a blast with power sword without pc

[midnight patrol]

But its tricky getting ragers to go after you without being too close

[carmine cradle]

-casually approach rager
-press special attack
-rager takes 4 billion damage

[willow badger]

Just need to get more used to devil claw parry

[candid bridge]

Devil claws are nice now. Getting use to using the parry has been weird

[wanton dawn]

I learned the ps dance a while ago hence i rarely feel pressured with it compared to other melee wep

[fading grove]

Still trying to find my melee weapon. I love the combat knife the most but it doesn't always make the most sense

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[willow badger]

What's the ps dance lol

[slow spade]

Yeah you can't block and push well compared to other weapons

Got to do this weird wiggle lol

[slow spade]

PS cannot block worth shit so you hit and dodge back constantly

[willow badger]

I just dodge around in a circle yea

[slow spade]

Basically never get hit

[wanton dawn]

Charge>3light>dodge/push>repeat

It has a rythm

[bright coyote]

yea ps is consistent imo

[slow spade]

If you use MK3, Light -> Heavy is also a very safe combo

[carmine cradle]

landing empowered stab headshots is a little tricky at times

[candid bridge]

Mk3 I would constantly charge, heavy attack and dodge backwards at the same time

[slow spade]

Light to stagger, Heavy to kill

[midnight patrol]

Dug through my pockets. Only had powercycler III

Damn..

[willow badger]

You can end the ps block animation early by blocking right

[midnight patrol]

Well. At least its 1 extra charge now.

[willow badger]

I don't even have pc hehe

[slow spade]

Not for MK3

Idk for MK6

[karmic musk]

1 extra charge is good enough

2 is luxury

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 cancel yes

[slow spade]

You only really need 2 charges to kill

[carmine cradle]

my current powersword

[karmic musk]

All the good combos use two charges anyways

[slow spade]

3 charges is for crushers and stuff

[carmine cradle]

it aint amazing, but its functional

[willow badger]

How hard was grinding for pc

[slow spade]

For months, people debated if it even existed

[willow badger]

Oof

[slow spade]

It took 3 updates to increase PC drop rate for people to even begin seeing it

[karmic musk]

MKVI doubled the drop rate for PC

[bright coyote]

brutal momentum better than slaughter imo

[karmic musk]

Need another PS release to triple it

[slow spade]

To be fair, on release PC used to give something stupid like +7 charged attacks

[wanton dawn]

I prefer sunder over brutal momentum

[slow spade]

I use Slaughterer for breakpoints

[bright coyote]

i want to try sunder, just havent seen it

[willow badger]

That's wild

[karmic musk]

The Power Cycler now is release Power Sword without Power Cycler

[slow spade]

Not even actually

It got nerfed like 3 times lol

[wanton dawn]

Sunder allows for some stupid things

[willow badger]

I just can't love the chainsword

[slow spade]

God I miss when my sword had 5 charges

[willow badger]

For some reason I'm always ass with it

[slow spade]

It got heavily nerfed

Its pretty ass now compared to Devil Claw and Power Sword

[carmine cradle]

likely

[karmic musk]

Eh its aight

[willow badger]

What was it like before

[carmine cradle]

counter point, i dont care 🙂

[karmic musk]

I just dont like using its heavy attack for horde clear

[slow spade]

4.5 cleave -> 1.5 cleave nerf

[karmic musk]

on the strikedown light, and light special damage reduced

[slow spade]

It used to be able to kill like 4 guys per swing

Now its like 1-2 at most

[carmine cradle]

and also i dont have it

[willow badger]

Any tips on offensive parry with devil claw

[slow spade]

Back in Patch 13, it used to be better than Power Sword

[slow spade]

The better your timing, the less stamina used

[bright coyote]

yea im just saying its an option, i think everything is pretty good

[wanton dawn]

Was not better strictly speaking. Easier to use for sure

[midnight patrol]

I still find the chainsword a hilarious weapon to use, because as long as you score contact with the special, it can be a mutant running circles around you trying to find a target, then it just keels over ded

[bright coyote]

except that chain axe

[inland orchid]

I love spaming if a monstrosity has u in the corner

[midnight patrol]

You're spinning the whole time too camaera wise

[slow spade]

Powersword was pretty fucking bad in Patch 13 though

[karmic musk]

Would be better if it actually gibs on every special

Give me half mutant ragdolls

[slow spade]

The only thing it had was stagger

[wanton dawn]

Nah, it was still the best thing against rager

[slow spade]

Na because it only staggered them

[karmic musk]

Patch 13 Rager fell over with a breeze

[slow spade]

It didn't get the push attack buff until patch 14

So Devil claw was better vs ragers

[wanton dawn]

Nobody care about single rager though

[shell oracle]

nice gameplay, well played - wtf i need to get a brutal momentum power cycler power sword 👀 have to admit i was skeptical that you would pull it off after you got pinned within the first 3 minutes

misc highlights: literal 1hp clutch in first clip, got baited by your discord pings in part 2, also didn't know you could use auspex from that far, even went to save the bots o7

[carmine cradle]

best way to deal with hordes: throw a shredder frag grenade, repeat step 1 until horde is dead

[wanton dawn]

Try handling 30 ragers with devil claw

[slow spade]

Or just swing power sword like 3 times

[carmine cradle]

or BOTH

[karmic musk]

Or just press 1 to equip melee weapon

[carmine cradle]

laughs in plasma gun

[edgy jungle]

whats the best melee weapon right now paired with lucius helbore?

[inland orchid]

My stamina pool when I’m tryna deflect 60 different weapons swings:

[slow spade]

Now you're just being dumb

[fading grove]

What's better timing? Just barely activating parry before attached?

[carmine cradle]

power sword

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/building-demolition-gif-3629581

[carmine cradle]

power sowrd is just the best vet melee

[karmic musk]

If you not using the Shovel with Helbore, you're doing it wrong

[slow spade]

Yup, the closer to attackz the cheaper

[wanton dawn]

Not far fetched in no ammo maelstrom mah dude

[forest maple]

Helbore pretty much deletes single targets so you need a good horde clear weapon that is also mobile

so my pick would be chainsword

or devil claw 4

[karmic musk]

Shovel, period

[forest maple]

power sword is powerful but sucks defensively

[shell ginkgo]

Replace 30 ragers with a bakers dozen of crushers for me

[fading grove]

What are top three horde clearing melee

[carmine cradle]

depends on the powersword

[wanton dawn]

Okay, 2s

[carmine cradle]

powersword, chainsword are top 2

[karmic musk]

MK6 PS is pretty defensive

[fading grove]

Which power Sword

[karmic musk]

You are just slow

[wanton dawn]

Ask and you shall receive #veteran-class message

[shell ginkgo]

MkIII pretty good at horde clear

[shell ginkgo]

Average no ammo mission wave

[slow spade]

Yeah it is lol

[inland orchid]

Nuh uh

[edgy jungle]

what stats do i want on a chainsword?

[slow spade]

Damn you got me 😔

[inland orchid]

Auric maelstrom goes crazy

[slow spade]

Damage :p

[inland orchid]

I’ve seen a conga line of crushers going down flights of stairs

[slow spade]

That's specialists typically

Elites are mostly just gunners

[wanton dawn]

I've seen wave of 20+ maulers in my kill feed a few time

[inland orchid]

They separated and the horde of crushers was still immense

[slow spade]

And the occasional shotgunner spam

[inland orchid]

It was beautiful

[shell ginkgo]

Those are fun

[edgy jungle]

anything else to priorotise?

[wanton dawn]

I also have a video for that

[shell ginkgo]

Horde of crushers with a funny trapper inside it

[carmine cradle]

depends what ya want the chainsword for

[shell ginkgo]

[wanton dawn]

But mauler are plasma food

[slow spade]

Here's mine

[karmic musk]

Rampage + whatever

[carmine cradle]

in general, mobility is your dump stat on chainsword

[inland orchid]

We were mad lucky the only backup they had was a few bulwarks or we would’ve been fucked

[slow spade]

"Poxburster squad go!"

[shell ginkgo]

My squad got trapped and I killed two trappers and went for the rescue

[inland orchid]

Oops all crushers!

[shell ginkgo]

They hit me with the classic third trapper

[wanton dawn]

What about...a 3rd trapper ?

[shell ginkgo]

[wanton dawn]

Damn

[slow spade]

Honestly Auric Maelstrom needs to chill on the specialists

[shell ginkgo]

We still made it since someone rage quit and the bot freed me

[carmine cradle]

this is a really good blessing, but only if you want to give things 13 stacks of bleed

[shell ginkgo]

[inland orchid]

Bleed is bleed

[carmine cradle]

most of the time, thats overkill

buuuut

when its not.... its really good

[solid talon]

At least it wasn't my favoruite darktide bs. When a trapper shoots you through a closed monster closet door

[slow spade]

The only targets that need bleeds like that are bosses

[inland orchid]

Glances at traitor captain taking bleed through shield

[forest maple]

So, do we charge the plasma shots or not?

[slow spade]

Trapper experience

[shell ginkgo]

[carmine cradle]

depending on where u hit a mutant, it might also need em

[slow spade]

ONLY to wallbang (charged shots get more wall pen)

[carmine cradle]

and shit with armor

[solid talon]

I'm waiting for a trapper across a gap to yank me to my death

[slow spade]

Ah true

[inland orchid]

Charge shot can make u blow up if u ain’t careful, other than that I think is good damage

[solid talon]

I know its gonna happen one day

[shell ginkgo]

My favorite is a bulwark phalanx hiding a trapper.

[carmine cradle]

this singular blessing turns the weapon from unable to deal with crushers to not a terrible pick

[solid talon]

Mmmhhhh delicious

[slow spade]

Also plasma gun headshots on mutants break their charge

[shell ginkgo]

I think the worst mission I had was increased specialists + poxburster wave.

Oops, you're trapped and now 29 poxbursters spawn

[slow spade]

Waves of specialists + specialists become bosses is the worst

Pretty much don't bother (winnable but takes like a hour)

[shell ginkgo]

Nah that's fine. Give em a krak or two and they die

[wanton dawn]

Nah, vet has all the tool to handle weakened monstro atm

[south spindle]

Need more imo

Maelstrom is supposed to be hard

[slow spade]

10 bombers start clown carring out a door

[south spindle]

Yes, thats the whole point

[shell ginkgo]

Run up to the warp horror, throw two kraks and yell at it before they detonate.

[solid talon]

Sometimes poxbursters are absurdly quiey and it really harshes the vibe when I hear "BeBeBeeeeep" behind me and then almost die. Just makes me feel real dumb for not having heard them

[south spindle]

If you dont have a metric buttload of specialists and elites it'd be a cakewalk

[shell ginkgo]

I like all the specialists

[karmic musk]

The Poxburster took Infiltrate

[shell ginkgo]

Helps me yell more

Mmm, +400 toughness

[wanton dawn]

Bomber and flamer spam+ sneaky trapper is the worst

[solid talon]

I believe it

[slow spade]

Just feels cheap to lose because the game spammed disablers

Rather than something interesting

[karmic musk]

Like what

[shell ginkgo]

Tbh

[slow spade]

Like actually interesting bosses lol

[shell ginkgo]

I wish Ogryn could break free from dogs

Like bro

Snap it's neck

It looks like he's playing with it

[slow spade]

But that's mean :c

[solid talon]

Also did my first like, actually hard dog wave mission like 2 hours ago. God that sucks when you have issues tracking their movements cause of borked controller sens

[wanton dawn]

I got a game recently where the mutie "forgot" to drop me and i was locked in its arm until it died

Was weirs

[shell ginkgo]

Ogryn please I'm dying. Stop playing with the dog

[carmine cradle]

pupper!

[karmic musk]

Controller aiming

[shell ginkgo]

Ya I got that too recently

[karmic musk]

[edgy jungle]

crowd control and mobility

[shell ginkgo]

The mutie later fucked off with my model but my view was stuck

[solid talon]

Yeah it feels bad. Its why my vet sticks to auto weapons

[edgy jungle]

so do i need shreeder and penetration?

[carmine cradle]

well then cleave is gonna be real important, but shredder is gonna be less important

[wanton dawn]

Yah, exactly that

[solid talon]

But the steam deck dock is like $90 and I dont have a bluetooth keyboard

[shell ginkgo]

And a boss was attacking the spot I was grabbed and I took damage.

[wanton dawn]

Felt like a kidnapping

[slow spade]

I saw an Xbox player cosplaying Krieg using the Helbore

[shell ginkgo]

Mhm

[slow spade]

It was like an escort quest with a bugged escort

[shell ginkgo]

[solid talon]

Lol

[shell ginkgo]

Me vs mutant who bugged

[south vessel]

What're the current BiS Bolter blessings?

[fleet thicket]

CAN I PLEASE HAVE A GOOD PSWORD 6 FATSHARK

PLEASE

goddamit

its been 2 weeks now

[karmic musk]

[fleet thicket]

still no luck

[karmic musk]

No

[wanton dawn]

Prob surgical/pinning

[zealous wyvern]

i love timeless classics

[karmic musk]

Shattering Impact no longer needed?

[zealous wyvern]

such as, double burster followed by trapper
or trapper mutant burster in that order

[midnight patrol]

surgical turns the bolter into a heavy sniper rifle with deadshot

[midnight patrol]

It wanted a vet teddy bear.

[south vessel]

Is Pinning better than Shattering?

[midnight patrol]

I'm curious too about blankedy's question

[quick eagle]

What does this Kant need to achieve maximum sexiness for the emperor?

[south vessel]

I've got these two to work with

[south vessel]

transmogrification into a revolver 😉

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh you're using the 80% is max stats mod. Neat

[quick eagle]

That's a shovelin' for you git

[south vessel]

:D

Is the Kant shotty good now? I loved using them in the past, but they were just not as good as XII or revolver

How does it feel to use, can you one-shot all the elites etc you want to

[languid dune]

Question for the boyz/girlz, what is generally considered close range in regards to blessings? We talking sniffing their farts close range or do you get a bit of leeway?

[midnight patrol]

Agripanaa shotgun.

Its a literal sniper shotgun.

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/smell-it-sniff-gif-15005723

I wanna say it’s like 10m

Your weapons range stats I think should help verify the actual distance

[umbral scaffold]

Sorry for repeating again, can anyone dm to me which Helbore Mk1 perks and blessings are Generally the best… as surgical isn’t well on that kind of firearm. I was thinking Weakspot+Unyl as perks and. Onslaught+Respite

[languid dune]

I'll give a check when I'm on, thanks

[narrow laurel]

why isnt surgical good on helbore?

isnt it one of the best guns to utilize surgical

[atomic zephyr]

onslaught surgical for blessings
flak maniac for perks

surgical is incredible on helbore

because it always builds at least a few stacks while it charges

[serene sage]

Onslaught is optional imo

[lost elk]

As a new veteran any tips ? Thanks in advance !

[atomic zephyr]

onslaught on mk2 helbore

[atomic zephyr]

shoot the shooters

tag everything

[serene sage]

Don't get hit
Don't get downed
Shoot things, hit things
Top the scoreboard

[atomic zephyr]

vet is squishy and doesn’t have great stamina regen so be careful to not get caught with your pants down

the shout helps a lot with that tho

[lost elk]

Then whats the point of veteran T_T

[atomic zephyr]

you are the best at dealing with ranged enemies

no contest

also, plasma gun.

[lost elk]

thats it ?

[tall torrent]

This heavily depends on what your guns are

[serene sage]

it depends, Ogryns can be really got at dealing with reanged enemies

[atomic zephyr]

good support too with the right build

grenades galore

[midnight patrol]

Vet melee can be nuts if you know what to do

[atomic zephyr]

plasma gun

good melee as well yea, I have a wonderful devil claw melee build

just squishy

[autumn perch]

Have fun 🤩

[atomic zephyr]

vet isn’t super flashy but a good vet can have a massive impact

[spring spindle]

Most Ogryn guns can deal with far enemies but are meant for close range. Vet has range

[lost elk]

Whats the main dps of a team, usually

[atomic zephyr]

ehhhhhhh

[tall torrent]

Everybody.

[atomic zephyr]

everybody.

[midnight patrol]

This game has no DPS class

[serene sage]

Except for a few really far away snipers, kickback can kill everything short of monstros haha

[atomic zephyr]

^

[tall torrent]

There’s no dedicated support class, everybody is both support and dps at the same time

[spring spindle]

One person ain’t doing all the work

[midnight patrol]

Everyone pulls their weight

You however, can do some roles better than others

[lost elk]

which class uses bolter

[spring spindle]

Vet

[serene sage]

me, I almost always top the damage chart in my games, unless there is a good kickback Ogryn

[atomic zephyr]

vet and zealot have boltgun

[spring spindle]

And Zealot

[sinful cave]

so i wanna change the melee weakspot dmg to.. something but my m8 claims burtal momentum is actually really good on this thing for going through packs of bruisers. Thoughts?

[autumn perch]

You and Zealot

[lost elk]

whats your build

[lost elk]

nice

[lost elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKyZ8FgUbA&ab_channel=TheWileSpice

This made my jaw drop

[atomic zephyr]

you have power cycler, sword goes through bruisers anyway no?

[umbral scaffold]

True but onslaught counter acts it

[sinful cave]

nope, it stops after like 3 i believe

[serene sage]

I run Chain Sword/Combat Axe + Bolter

[autumn perch]

Bolt gun is really nice. When I started playing I mained Vet and finding the boltgun was one of my “oh shit this game just got so much better” moments.

[atomic zephyr]

plasma>boltgun imo

[spring spindle]

Vet is just. Shoot gun. Shoot it way better than other gun people. EZ

[atomic zephyr]

just personal preference

[tall torrent]

Veteran is generally focused on taking down priority targets at a distance

[atomic zephyr]

vet shoot gun best

[slow spade]

Sorry couldn't hear you over my heavy stubber mag dumping

[serene sage]

the thing with those videos is that while they are true, it's very hard to replicate in game.
you often don't have 5 stacks of Pinning Fire when boss spawns
you don't get to spam headshot for a full mag
that said, Bolter still deletes bosses

[atomic zephyr]

all classes shoot gun but you are the shootiest

[trim steppe]

I cant stop playing plasma, its too good

[lost elk]

Lovely

[spring spindle]

Remember to give Psykers weird looks if they shoot gun

[sinful cave]

https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4?si=Mqe9i2MOVX7gBFgl&t=139 should be time stamped if not go to 2:20

[serene sage]

there is a niche where bolter does better than plasma but generally sure

[lost elk]

I was amazed with CC ability of psyker

[slow spade]

The REAL shootiest class is Ogryn UwU

[trim steppe]

plasma isn't the best at monstrosities but the other 3 people can kill that while you make sure everything else is dead so they can focus

[atomic zephyr]

yeah I just don’t like how slow the boltgun is

[autumn perch]

My only real tip for starting out as a vet, is:

-Don’t worry about build till your level 25/30
-Try as many different guns as you can to see what you like
-Find a playstyle you enjoy and stick to it, regardless of what folks say
-Have fun

[slow spade]

Its really good for monsters

Its just not very efficient

[lost elk]

Thanks man noted !

[atomic zephyr]

have to wait 2 seconds to pull out boltgun in an emergency, but plasma I can whip out and glass 5 specialists

[lost elk]

Maybe I suck but its really slow to level up with the teams I get into

[serene sage]

I will also add don't trust too much the crazy DPS YT videos puts in a controlled environment.

[zealous wyvern]

looking a little worrying there

[atomic zephyr]

spam malice runs to level up, it’ll be the most efficient I think

you’ll get there eventually

[slow spade]

He's just smiling

Ogryns do that

[midnight patrol]

Malice is a good place to learn too

[trim steppe]

it does good damage but costs too much ammo

[midnight patrol]

It can get spicy at times

[slow spade]

That's why you simply steal all the ammo

[atomic zephyr]

malice is difficult but not ball crushingly so for new players

[wanton dawn]

What about my crazy testing ps vidjo ?

[lost elk]

is there a way to change shooting mode ? Like burst auto etc

[slow spade]

My race is secretly a Ratling

[autumn perch]

Nah you don’t suck, leveling can start out pretty slow. I recommend jumping difficulty tiers whenever you get comfortable with whatever difficulty you’re playing on.

Also, if you can, upgrade your curios to make them give you more xp

[serene sage]

yeah definitely the biggest draw back
which is why I think Revolver is just much easier to use if you want Bolter
but man I just love the gun

[slow spade]

Some classes can handle higher difficulties better than others

[atomic zephyr]

no, guns have fixed firing modes, aside from the boltgun whose mode changes depending on whether you’re ADSing or not

[serene sage]

I don't trust you simply bc you're Fr*nch

[slow spade]

Like I jumped into Damnation at lvl 11 on Ofryn

I wouldn't dare try that with Vet

[wanton dawn]

Fair

[atomic zephyr]

the boltgun’s feel is unparalleled, I’ll give you that

I’ve yet to use a revolver on my vet for some reason

[wanton dawn]

Considering that vet need at least lvl... 15 ? To reach ck ?

[trim steppe]

My advice to new players is to learn and get comfortable on malice (learn how to dodge and play the game) then skip heresy and go to damnation. Heresy is a trap, its full of people who cant play damnation yet so you dont learn anything new, you just lose a lot. Skilled players can carry you through damnation and you'll learn a lot from them fast

[valid apex]

Vet has a lot of options now. You get a pretty big spike at 15 with agripa braced auto.

[autumn perch]

No but remember to check your keybinds for “special action” since most guns either have lasers/flashlights/ or a shove attack.

[tepid pagoda]

Just skip to Auric

[slow spade]

Indeed while Ogryn needs to do like 1 Sedition to get infinite toughness

[valid apex]

My advice to new players is to play ogryn lol

Or psyker

[tall torrent]

Also just remember that mostly every gun on Veteran cares about hitting headshots

[tepid pagoda]

Ogryn is how you don't learn the game

Psyker is probably good though

[serene sage]

Ogryn shooting is so bad feelwise it probably will turn them off shooting classes forever lol

[tall torrent]

Malice assail Psyker with absolutely zero game sense, need I say more?

[serene sage]

Even the kickback doesn't feel good to shoot even though it's OP af

[slow spade]

Ogryn gives a lot more leeway for mistakes to learn from

[tepid pagoda]

Okay sure Assail is a problem

[slow spade]

But new players don't seem to learn

So eh

[tepid pagoda]

They basically turn off difficulty

I mean

Yeah

Most people don't learn

[trim steppe]

Ogryn is the easiest class to start because you dont have to learn anything important, you just smash. But you don't learn any skills so you'll feelbadman later.

[tepid pagoda]

They just play

[atomic zephyr]

ogryn is also a massive target no? seems like a bad idea when the other classes sorta need cover

[slow spade]

Shield

[tepid pagoda]

Lmao cover

[slow spade]

Suddenly ranged enemies are a non-issue

[tall torrent]

It’s somewhat ironic that the most popular class is the one with probably the most amount of stuff to learn and manage

[tepid pagoda]

Cover is something you use to reload and reset your dodges

[atomic zephyr]

yknow what, that’s fair.

[tepid pagoda]

And Ogryn don't need to dodge

[atomic zephyr]

i never shoot out of cover I just run away

[tepid pagoda]

And barely even reload

[atomic zephyr]

I can’t even talk I don’t even have an ogryn

[tepid pagoda]

I tried it

I saw how broken it was

[serene sage]

i hate playing Ogryns

[tepid pagoda]

And I still found Ogryn boring

[serene sage]

they are so strong and kinda ez to play

[tepid pagoda]

It's funny being able to facetank bosses

[serene sage]

but boring as heck

[slow spade]

Everyone wants to be THE John Darktide, Patron Saint of Atoma

[tepid pagoda]

While spamming light attacks

But idk

Not fun, just funny

[tall torrent]

The only thing a new Ogryn has to learn is to not stand in front of veterans

[atomic zephyr]

ogryn doesn’t have lasgun or IAG so I don’t play ogryn

[misty relic]

I love my Ogryn. Rumbler + Frag = Lots of explosions

[tepid pagoda]

(Optional)

[serene sage]

kek

[tepid pagoda]

Ehh. Depends so much on builds tbh

[slow spade]

I'd argue it depends on build :p

[tepid pagoda]

Zealot can be as tough as Ogryn

[autumn perch]

Ah yes Zealot the hardest class lol

[tepid pagoda]

If you run the funny DR builds

[slow spade]

Zealot can always just relic spam

[valid apex]

I don’t think playing zealot is harder than vet.

[autumn perch]

👀

[valid apex]

Vet in melee can make zero mistakes without voice

[candid bridge]

Zealot is just vet but melee focused vs being ranged focused lol

[atomic zephyr]

^

[tepid pagoda]

This is basically invulnerability mode

Though you lose out on stun immunity unless you want to drop something rough

[slow spade]

Oh I'm surprised you don't use the fire nades

[autumn perch]

This be what I already run lol

[atomic zephyr]

i only ever get out my zealot when I wanna use an eviscerator lol

[tall torrent]

Because vet gets extra dmg to Ogryn, monstrosity & elite?

[slow spade]

Those seemed really good when I ran them

[valid apex]

Momentum still does considerably more imo

[trim steppe]

I started on the vet and chased the penances for taking no damage and no melee hits right after I hit 30. They made me learn the game and made me good really early on.

[atomic zephyr]

otherwise it just feels like I’m playing a more boring vet

[tall torrent]

And has 5% faster atk speed than zealot with trench fighter?

[autumn perch]

Well no nvm I run fury

[tepid pagoda]

Zealot has way more melee damage though

[atomic zephyr]

THIS

[valid apex]

Momentum builds have a lot of attack speed and damage and don’t need to have wounds.

[atomic zephyr]

i love trench fighter

[slow spade]

Vet also has access to really strong tools

[tall torrent]

Onslaught needs serrated if you want to deploy it into melee

[atomic zephyr]

trench fighter+devils claw 4 = horde shredder 9000

[slow spade]

Power sword and plasma gun on a melee build lol

[tepid pagoda]

If you run DPS builds then Zeaot melee is definitely better than Vet

[serene sage]

is that bc of talent or weapon?

[autumn perch]

[tepid pagoda]

No?

[slow spade]

Na Vet does have access to power sword though

[candid bridge]

Zealot dash bonk hammer goes nuts lol

[slow spade]

So he can deal with with that

[serene sage]

i find this hard to believe, we are not counting PS right?

[tepid pagoda]

Zealot can stack so much damage

[autumn perch]

What is bro smoking

[slow spade]

But not because of talents

[tall torrent]

+15% elite
+25% Ogryn/monstrosity
+15% atk speed
+10% melee crit chance
+25% melee finesse (weakpoint & crit dmg)

[tepid pagoda]

Okay so

[misty relic]

Would I realistically use this for anything other than pushing stuff around but not killing it? Or should it just be blessing fodder?

[tepid pagoda]

Those are super specific ones

That's not more damage all the time

[tall torrent]

Those are what u take if you’re going for a melee vet

[tepid pagoda]

Meanwhile Zeaot has one 25% melee buff, one 20% melee buff, keystones that give bonus damage

[serene sage]

technically 3% damage aura if you count it 😉

[tepid pagoda]

Or crit

[candid bridge]

Zealot can one shot bosses in melee vets simply can’t lol

[slow spade]

It'll still do damage

Just not as much as it could

[tall torrent]

That’s with specific weapons veterans don’t have access to

[tepid pagoda]

There's no way you guys unironically count Elite and Ogryn/Boss damage over Zealot doing more damage to everything

20% damage + 25% damage

Is somehow less

Than 15% extra to Elites

And 25% to Ogryns and Bosses

Idk what you're talking about

[serene sage]

doesn't zealot have their own baseline stats like higher movepseed and dodge and attack speed and whatnot?

[slow spade]

I wish

I miss my base 10% crit

[tepid pagoda]

They still have the stamina regen

[slow spade]

I love point tax

[serene sage]

yeah on opposite sides of the tree that heavily taxes travel node 😔

[trim steppe]

The vet trees need to be shorter by about 3-5 nodes

[serene sage]

tfw more than 1/3 of your 30 points are filler nodes (some are nice but most are meh)

[tepid pagoda]

Not to mention you can get 55% crit chance on Zealot basically 100% of the time

Rending is a meme for most melees but okay

[vivid bolt]

except heres the thing

[tepid pagoda]

So Vet has less crit, same melee damage, slightly more attack speed

Less finesse

And rending

[vivid bolt]

Hammer bonk crusher

[tepid pagoda]

And somehow is stronger than Zealot

Okok

[vivid bolt]

Not be in service to the Emperor

[trim steppe]

rending is bananas good

[autumn perch]

@tepid pagoda just go to the meat grinder and show him he’s wrong. Ez

[vivid bolt]

i can literally bonk crushers with hammer

like

one tap

[grave kayak]

What kind of blessing would you recommend for Vraks VII Headhunter autogun?

[tepid pagoda]

Surgical and Deadly Accurate

[tall torrent]

Surgical + deadly accurate

[crude wind]

Surgical Deadly Accurate

for the power combo

[serene sage]

why can't zealot do this? dclaw isn't exclusive is it

[tall torrent]

Take 30% weakpoint node on left, path through deadshot

[vivid bolt]

Charge special, charge heavy and press F. Instant crusher kill

[crude wind]

no rending talent

[tall torrent]

Maximize crit

[unkempt pawn]

Both have 1 free modification remaining, what should be done with which?

[crude wind]

Vet gets 20% melee rending on Crit and if they want a further passive 10% rending

onslaught too but that helps less on melee than it does guns

[molten anvil]

i wish i could have that on eviscerator Dx

[forest maple]

Which one would you guys pick and what would you change?

[tall torrent]

For onslaught to be effective on melee you have to take serrated blade (melee bleed)

[tall torrent]

The bleed dmg apply onslaught stacks

[crude wind]

tbh rending is a problem in this game and I'd hope it's on the devs radar as something to be reigned it pretty massively

[midnight patrol]

Similar to mine, nice

[spring spindle]

I’d personally say the right one because I prefer the stats

[candid bridge]

Both for different situations tbh

[crude wind]

yeah that's a known bug

[midnight patrol]

Yeah a well rolled Vraks MkVII is second to non as a flexible percision rifle

[serene sage]

honestly at this point idk how yall are topping damage chart with melee
my problem isn't that I don't kill things but most things just die too fast/not enough to get there
Kickback Ogryn one shot horde
Surge Psyker one shot elites/specialists
I feel like i need to play really far up like an asshole to do damage

[tall torrent]

That’s actually a bug?

[candid bridge]

Right will prolly net you more killing potential tho

[slow spade]

Considering my plasma is nearly identical to your right one

I think I choose the right one

[crude wind]

absolutely. rending/brittleness and bleed are definitely not supposed to be interacting

[forest maple]

What should i do with my 2 rerolls then?

[candid bridge]

Nice charge rate 😎

[crude wind]

are you speed running?

[serene sage]

how many times do I need to solo Auric Maelstrom to have enough clouts to post hot takes?

[crude wind]

did u record?

[autumn perch]

At least 5

[candid bridge]

Preference really. Do you have t4 blaze away and gets hot?

[crude wind]

link, I'd like to watch that

[serene sage]

bet. time to grind =.=

[tepid pagoda]

I will admit it took me a while but you can do this https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1CyClukodGicyA/d1337AcZOT08?invite=cr-MSw5T0gsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

[forest maple]

nope, and blaze away doesnt exist as t4 i think

[spring spindle]

Hey. Does melee Vet offer anything that Zealot doesn’t out of curiosity?

[tepid pagoda]

The shout is super OP

Just in general

[serene sage]

allegedly it's just better

[crude wind]

it really is

[candid bridge]

You’re correct, I didn’t actually know that

[forest maple]

so my guess would be to get gets hot at t4 and change a perk or just change both perks

dunno what is more worth

[candid bridge]

I think t4 gets hot and maniac to 25% would be my play personally

[forest maple]

maybe changing the perks to t4 versions would net better results? dunno

[midnight patrol]

Looks like you have to wait for the Orgyn to swing to get that chop chop going

That shield has a stupid huge hit box otherwise

[candid bridge]

Give it a whirl without any changes and see how it plays

[forest maple]

Its doing very good. Done 2 missions so far

auric t5

[candid bridge]

If you feel like the crit chance is enough I’d say just up the perks

[tepid pagoda]

Well I got a kill without it

So I guess

Zealot can do it too

But if we assume

Zealot has 0 if their

Literally easiest upkeep passives

Then sure

Vet is better than Zealot at melee

I did one without momentum attack speed

It's really tight but

[midnight patrol]

Leaning heavily into Vet right tree does make you a melee monster

[tepid pagoda]

You can get two hits in

I mean they do well in damage

[candid bridge]

Nice. I think the flak is enough with the 20% but it’s always nice having that extra maniac damage so I think that would be enough to change out for sure

[midnight patrol]

You become a less noisy zealot lol

[tepid pagoda]

But Zealot is better overall in damage and also has insane DR

[tall torrent]

Noisy zealot is good zealot

[forest maple]

Thanks for the input

[tepid pagoda]

Vet might have better matchups in melee against some enemies

[crude wind]

doesn't really hurt your ranged DPS either, assuming you take the correct weapons

[midnight patrol]

Also good lord I switched back to executioner stance. And immediately I got folded lol

[tepid pagoda]

What

[crude wind]

Executioner Stance is unironically the least good Combat Ability

[tepid pagoda]

What is toughness issue

Zealot has 80% DR

Almost all the time

[midnight patrol]

Ran into a mission where we crushed by four crushers that spawned at once

[tepid pagoda]

No

Pure DR

[forest maple]

I really stopped playing excecutioners stance builds

for real

[serene sage]

it exists so you can insta draw Bolter 😎

[midnight patrol]

But such a specialist squad would have been manageable if I ran shout lol

[crude wind]

imo it's one of the highest skill ceiling builds in the game atm and for not really much reward

[tepid pagoda]

Well more like 75% most of the time but if it leaks into HP you can have like 80% DR.

[crude wind]

one mistake and ur a big ol' splat on the floor

[trim steppe]

I'm really struggling to enjoy zealot rn, my win rate is just so low on it compared to other classes. I feel like everything else hard carries better. probably just a skill issue

[forest maple]

Do weapons have base hidden crit chances? I think vet has a universal 5% right? baseline

[midnight patrol]

I was just wanting to vibe as a counter rifleman machine ;w;

[tepid pagoda]

It's really hard to take chip damage as Zealot if you know what you're doing

[midnight patrol]

Alas. I have gotten a taste of the true power of shout vet

[crude wind]

One thing that the tooltip of Executioner stance doesn't tell you

is that you need a competent team that stays by you to use it XD

[winter acorn]

I wish shotguns had better blessings

[tepid pagoda]

Bruh

[serene sage]

after playing zealot I kinda feel it
zealot overextends a lot bc if they don't there is nothing left to kill
the power creep in the game is so high that everything is oneshotted
what's left to do

[crude wind]

otherwise you will be ending your CA early to block melee

[tepid pagoda]

Aside from Shout

There's no way Vet is safer in melee than most Zealot builds

That is some crazy talk

[autumn perch]

You are wasting your time

[spring spindle]

What are good blessings for Laspistol on Vet?

[tepid pagoda]

Apparently

80% total DR

Means Zealot weak

[forest maple]

dumdum + infernus for me

[tall torrent]

Ghost
Dum dum
Infernus (?)

[crude wind]

Zealot feels almost unkillable atm

[tepid pagoda]

Shield of Contempt, Good Balance, Bleed for Emperor.

If you add in Restoring Faith you also get 33% more HP

[candid bridge]

I think a solid buff to executioners stance would be to give it the 90% threat reduction when activating it and give infiltrate something else in replace of it

[tepid pagoda]

And you can heal yourself

You almost have to try to die with the Martyrdom builds

[crude wind]

damage resistance + toughness on dodge + NOT TODAY DEATH

[tepid pagoda]

And sure you can go without most of those

[trail topaz]

homies what perks for chainaxe

[serene sage]

it shoudl refresh 60% Toughness like Sustained Fire used to do

[tepid pagoda]

But that's the same as not using shout

[lavish rose]

If you don't build zealot for DR I can see how vet can feel tougher

Because vet almost always takes confirmed kill + iron will

[crude wind]

only Zealots I see dying quickly are the ones that went hard right of tree and took no DR and Until Death

[candid bridge]

True, that’d be solid as well

[midnight patrol]

Speaking of confirmed kill and Exhilarating. I wonder of I pick up both, the use the talent that spreads 15% of all that healing to my other squad mates. Does it acruskly matter?

[tepid pagoda]

But Vet toughness is carried hard with Shout

[crude wind]

fun builds to play but very B tier

[tepid pagoda]

Iron Will is meh

But Confirmed Kill yeah

I agree

[crude wind]

Iron Will is very good when you have CK

and shout

[serene sage]

15% toughness heal is really meh, it's also bugged (allegedly) so not worth

[midnight patrol]

Idk if I'm actually helping out the squad with all the healing I get

[crude wind]

it's pretty much always on

[tepid pagoda]

Iron Will is like 25-33 extra toughness for most Vets

[trim steppe]

born leader is bad, when you're at max toughness your squad gets nothing

[tepid pagoda]

Sounds like a skill issue

[midnight patrol]

Oh? So it doesn't bleed through?

[trim steppe]

nope

[midnight patrol]

Damn.

[tall torrent]

Comp urge is usually better

Born leader needs ur toughness to not be full to work

[lavish rose]

CK is constantly regenerating the 25% for IW

[whole moon]

keep or salvage

[midnight patrol]

I was popping off headshots hoping to heal up the squad when my shout was on cooldown

[lavish rose]

Unless you fuck up massively

[tepid pagoda]

If you get so much CK

That you regen constantly

You don't need Iron Will

[trim steppe]

if they change born leader to work when you're at max toughness I'd take it 100% over competitive

[tepid pagoda]

[tepid pagoda]

I still wouldn't

Who are you giving toughness to

99% of the games

[midnight patrol]

This build I made is a hybrid of sharpshooter and the commisar tree admittedly

[tepid pagoda]

Every class has toughness regain

[lavish rose]

I'd have to test if I can still facetank a rager patrol without IW

[midnight patrol]

Made sharpshooter all the way to the 25% ammo boost then a bit into commisar tree

[trim steppe]

Your lobbies must look different than mine 😂 I'm always just trying to keep these friggin people alive

[raven carbon]

which power sword version do people generally prefer?

[tepid pagoda]

Tbf I mostly play with my friends and we're all sweaty

[serene sage]

the "commissar" tree is where most of vet damage lies lel

[crude wind]

the measuring of rods has begun

who will win

THIS TIME

[tepid pagoda]

But usually when people go down its more of an instant death

[lavish rose]

Yeah pugging is an entirely different game

[tepid pagoda]

Tha a lengty toughness loss

[crude wind]

PUGs are the wild west man

[tepid pagoda]

Depends on how much toughness you can regain

[trim steppe]

I pretty much only play with randos on quickplay, its a cluster out there man

[crude wind]

never expect anything

unlearn all you know

[midnight patrol]

Yeah I took the one with elite and orgyn damage lol

[lavish rose]

I mean with the amount of pugs that have died because they ignored 3 groaners

[tepid pagoda]

And if it's flat based on your gain or % based

[midnight patrol]

That pushed my breakpoints just enough

[lavish rose]

Any regen you give them will help

[tepid pagoda]

Yeah that's true

[midnight patrol]

Same. SEA servers I don't have friends to drag into

[crude wind]

you haven't lived until you've seen that guy who opens up on 3 groaners die because he didn't block

AT AURIC LEVEL

[tepid pagoda]

I mean the shout already does that pretty well but you can't always shout every time

[midnight patrol]

And it's super painful playing with the US servers

[tepid pagoda]

I did that (because I was AFK)

[crude wind]

doesn't count you need to be shooting them

point blank

and missing

[lavish rose]

and not dodging

[crude wind]

i was pretty stoned one night playing and witnessed this

fuck me man I was crying

[tepid pagoda]

I'm a Zeaot I don't have guns

[crude wind]

with laughter

[tepid pagoda]

Brrr goes melee

[serene sage]

idk, everytime I run melee vets my teammates are ex-CSGO pros one tapping everything on the map

[tepid pagoda]

This is me every time I try to run Brain Burst on Psyker

Literally everyone is immediately targetting my BB targets

It's like they're robots

[crude wind]

if ur running melee and handling crowds that's probably why 😛

[serene sage]

maybe dont highlight it for them

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-gif-18789692

[tall torrent]

Glowy blue head = shoot that guy

[midnight patrol]

Seeing the recon Las vets shooting 50 plus rounds of ammo at two poxwalkers and only nanaging to kill them after taking two melee hits

[crude wind]

this is a symptom of damage being out of whack atm

[trim steppe]

I took an edible the other night and started playing while BLASTING Immortal Imperium track on loop. I thought it was a great idea until I accidentally teabagged a DH I didn't hear. Boy did I feel like the asshole

[crude wind]

rending, crit psuedo rending are the main culprits

[crude wind]

you love to see it 🤣

it's crit tbh

every class having 50% +

crit having its own special rending

it's fucked

[midnight patrol]

BB is like target marking headshot targets for Vets lol

[crude wind]

then you add rending on top

[midnight patrol]

Glowy blue head shoot it!

[candid tundra]

Hello again everyone, just asking, the mk 3 power sword sucks right?

[crude wind]

except the large bois

[crude wind]

not really, it's very killy but i hate it

bad dodges and bad stamina and bad block

[candid tundra]

I've heard that the other one is better

[tall torrent]

It’s still pretty good

[candid bridge]

Nope

[tall torrent]

PS6 is more defensive

[crude wind]

Vet can also take deadshot

[candid tundra]

Hi @tall torrent lol

[crude wind]

which is unironically good now

[tall torrent]

[crude wind]

Shred on melee

Scourge on Zealot melee

fucking wild mate

[candid tundra]

Is the mobility with the power sword mk6 better?

[crude wind]

no

[tall torrent]

Both are bad

[crude wind]

but it has blocktivate

[candid tundra]

Right

[crude wind]

so you have that at least

[midnight patrol]

It's how I managed to make a build with a Vet and her Vraks VII to reliably kill a crusher even at point blank range with just 7 ish headshots

Sometimes managed 6

[candid tundra]

I see

[lavish rose]

I love power sword crippled legs

[crude wind]

Poor crushers man

[candid tundra]

So if I can work through the low dodge range I can clear hordes well?

[slow spade]

MK6 has one major flaw though

[crude wind]

what did those poor large bois do

to deserve such mockery

[slow spade]

It slows you down when charging

MK3 doesn't

So MK3 is better for moving quickly

[uncut bear]

Do a lot of folks take the covering fire talent? It seems like it would help your team.

[midnight patrol]

Bukaked the psyker who thought they were good enough with the dueling sword

[tall torrent]

No

[midnight patrol]

They must paaay!

[serene sage]

not worth

[uncut bear]

Bummer.

[candid tundra]

So mk3 more for hordes (if you can dodge) and mk6 for more versatility

[crude wind]

they messed up because Dueling Sword is very good at killing Crushers

also sad

[slow spade]

Yeah

[crude wind]

you can stunlock them to death with funny cavalry sabre XD

yeah okay then devs

[slow spade]

Covering fire might be ok with plasma

But too much point tax to be worth it

[crude wind]

covering fire is a talent where if I had 35 points I'd still robably end up missing it XD

it reads well but thats about it

[serene sage]

sometimes it's better for the person in melee to kill targets themselves for CDR or more toughness regen (for example, Ogryns regen 25% instead of your 15% lol) themselves. The damage is nice ig but i don't think it matters that much.

[midnight patrol]

Covering fire is clutch though

[slow spade]

Yeah its only really good for winning harder

[midnight patrol]

Especially if you're an ex-CSgo head clicker of a Vet

[crude wind]

SUppression Immunity is good too

[vivid bolt]

i watched a psyker miss every shot and PoW in front of a mauler and i just stood there

like huh

[serene sage]

Tactical Awareness?

[midnight patrol]

The extra 25% ammo is nice tho

[crude wind]

lol bet that was funny

[tall torrent]

For most guns, no

[vivid bolt]

i was laughing so fucking hard

[crude wind]

TA is an S tier talent for sure

[serene sage]

honestly, after the patch, i don't miss it haha
you get used to it
and I run Bolter of all things

[crude wind]

maybe the best in the whole tree tbh

cool down cheating is OP

[sinful cave]

ive never used lasguns, should i grab this

stats look great but didnt these things get nerfed

[hollow turtle]

That's a Mk II

[midnight patrol]

I use guns so much as a Vet, so I always go for the 25% lol

[sinful cave]

icky?

[hollow turtle]

Yeah, it's the bottom shelf recon unfortunately.

[sinful cave]

mannnnnn that stat roll is so good though

[hollow turtle]

lol if you had the melk bucks to spare, I'd say give it a try. Maybe you'd like it, but I can see you only have 5000

[midnight patrol]

It's so effective I just click on a half dozen special heads and I'm surprised I got another shout to spam again.

[crude wind]

yeah just endlessly refreshing any CA should probably not be a thing lol

[hollow turtle]

I'd say maybe get a basic Mk II from brunt, try it out, and if you like the rate of fire/damage, then go for the melk.

[crude wind]

might as well not have cool downs

everyone is gonna take cool down cheats

[swift ingot]

Man, I have been power sword pilled as of late, the mk6 is actually very fun to preform well in melee with

[crude wind]

it's a classic 'no brainer'

[hollow turtle]

The power swords are still the same as they were pre-update right? Why is it feel like everyone's just realizing how strong they actually are again?

[crude wind]

no they got buffed

too buffed

[swift ingot]

Because I was mostly enjoying the chainsword

[hollow turtle]

Lol how buffed? That's pretty funny because they initially got nerfed a few updates ago for being too effective.

[crude wind]

this buffed

significantly

[wooden oar]

Does 5000+ hours in kovaaks also count? + 6k in cs.

[hollow turtle]

Holy fuck. They undid their nerf.

[crude wind]

defo

[midnight patrol]

It's basically like the old days

[crude wind]

they can't find a sweet spot with Powersword

[midnight patrol]

And can confirm they feel lovely again to use

[crude wind]

it's kind of okay atm because people have started to wise up to the fact they kind of suck

you trade so much for the silly activation

and you don't need it

[midnight patrol]

Lol a light attack follow up is a one two tap nice

[crude wind]

i think a lot of weapons are better than psword 6

Devil Claw IV gang rise up