veteran-class

[low oar]

No

Just shoot more

[junior needle]

You can't hit max surgical without it fully charged to begin with

[low oar]

Maniacs or flak

[junior needle]

You'll still get 1-3 surgical stacks depending on your charge speed

[agile finch]

yeah i mean can you still benefit from the faster charge rate given that you have to wait for surgical

i guess you could use uh

[low oar]

For whatever reason, every special except like 3 are maniacs

[agile finch]

deadshot? i think?

[gleaming turtle]

Took a bit of work, but I am going to give what you are saying a try.

[agile finch]

the 25% crit while ads

[plain heart]

why not? Surgical stacks do go up with just holding M2

[agile finch]

could let you get away with surgical not full stacking

[junior needle]

You charge your thing way faster than your stacks build up

Is what I'm trying to say

[low oar]

They also go up while you're just holding a shot

[agile finch]

so do you wait for the guaranteed crit every time or just rng it

[junior needle]

So you have to hold it for more stacks

[daring peak]

i've never actualyl seen sunder before, is that a t4 only mod?

[junior needle]

you can't just build 10 stacks naturally

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah

[low oar]

In case you're just scanning for a target or something

[junior needle]

from using the gun as is with no holding.

[daring peak]

wack

[muted tangle]

Melk brought this, worth grabbing?

[hearty panther]

Opening Salvo + Deadshot + Surgical pretty much guarantees crits

[agile finch]

i would say yes

[agile finch]

wait does opening salvo uh

count the top 10% of the mag

[junior needle]

Opening salvo the talent

[agile finch]

so like if you dont go down

[golden axle]

in the last patch hell ye lol

[hearty panther]

Pretty top tier for a 6d

[agile finch]

with the "crits dont take ammo" thing

do you keep opening salvo longer

[hearty panther]

Yeah the node, 10% on 10% of your mag

Yep

[agile finch]

good to know

that didnt occur to me lol

[daring peak]

gotta say its kinda wild how the psword has a couple mods that are t3-4 only and are absolutely cracked. I only have power cycler 3 right now and it's already so much better

[south spindle]

Infiltrate is pretty good tbh, people skip over it far too much

[agile finch]

i hated the psword until i got cycler 3

[junior needle]

Pretty good rolls, and definitely good to go with your 2 changes, but the entire recon line is in the dumpster currently and even the 6d is just low tier. You can buy it if you want it for when (if) they get buffed, but keep in mind you're investing in a gun that's not good currently.

[hearty panther]

Infiltrate is my actual favourite. VoC is just inexcusably good tho lol

[agile finch]

so like question related to this is infiltrate just better than volley for autoguns or

just for raking fire infantry

[muted tangle]

he also brought this and it seems tempting

[daring peak]

it makes it soo much less clunky, you spend a lot less time charging

[golden axle]

chain axe camera snap is a dealbreaker

[gleaming turtle]

I firmly believe the Transcendent = Tier 4 Blessings percentage chance thing even though I haven't seen any empirical data to support it. My own very small sample size seems to imply as much, and it's made my life a lot easier when fishing for Tier 4's.

[south spindle]

Its a different playstyle entirely

[muted tangle]

something similar to Ogryn's Gauntlet?

[daring peak]

wait is sunder enough cleave to go through the bulwark shield? am i crazy?

[south spindle]

I dont know that the two are really all that comparable

[gleaming turtle]

Yes

[golden axle]

yes, itll lock you in place for a moment on the swings which is a death sentence

please for the love of god FS tune down the chainaxes camera snap so it can be used

[agile finch]

yeah i prefer to play vet as the "shoot shooters/specials/elites" person, what role does infiltrate fill instead outside of the rez clutches?

[junior grail]

Its more for survivability. Stealth, toughness and movement speed helps clutch

[south spindle]

Its ronseal, get behind a troublesome line an start taking it apart

[junior needle]

Chainaxe is also generally considered to be a dumpster tier, gimping yourself weapon

[golden axle]

which is sad because its cool as heck aesthetically

[south spindle]

Save yourself from getting disabled at any given time, can drop aggro to leverage silly blessings, obviously the aforementioned res potential

[daring peak]

wild. does it actually hit the bulwark or does it just let you keep swinging?
also yeah looking at that vid i can see the value of having a disgusting amount of cleave for mowing down groups even when theres enemies with huge hit mass in there

[muted tangle]

if it's fun on Malice at least then it's good enough for me to grab to grind weeklies with

[gleaming turtle]

Both

[golden axle]

well yeah you can do whatever you want on malice

that tierlist is just what is more fun to you

[gleaming turtle]

At least that's what I took away from his vid.

[south spindle]

I actually dont know why in this patch. It feels pretty bad to use but that sucker got some beefy output

[junior needle]

In my experience the chainaxe feels like shit no matter what, 6d even in its current state would be perfectly fine for malice.

[agile finch]

so lets say i take a brauto for horde thinning would it be better to take infiltrate so you can just kinda get to a position perpendicular to the horde and just brrrt given that volley wouldnt be resetting

[gleaming turtle]

The longer video where he is actually fighting the group that he linked.

[daring peak]

plasma gun sword (real)

[agile finch]

do they even do anything lol

[junior needle]

The special action really shreds a single target but outside of that, it has no redeeming qualities. Stacking power blessings makes the heavies usable for horde clear at least, if not good at it by comparison.

[golden axle]

they blind your team if thats useful to you?

[muted tangle]

from what I'd seen they make all rangeds run through it towards you

[agile finch]

i saw the description and went "oh i guess you can throw it as a pseudo stun for shooter crowds"

but like i legitimately dont think they work like that

[muted tangle]

very situational

[south spindle]

Granted ive not really used it on Vet, but at least on Zealot its made significantly less awful by the increased attack speed

Situationally they can be, but trouble is they're also fuckin inconsistent and dont work on Snipers. So whilst yes, they work, the situations youd actually want them to be good in, they are not

[golden axle]

i thought they just didnt work on snipers period

[junior needle]

Vet technically has melee attack speed too but, you know, there's plenty of other weapons you could take instead that benefit just as much or more because it multiplies your existing power.

If you take a super deep tree node for it.

[south spindle]

They dont, you'd be correct

[golden axle]

oh i misread what you said

[agile finch]

is the 50% suppression boost talent good for something like the vraks 7 headhunter?

[golden axle]

thought you meant they were inconsistent

[queen fox]

big e gave me this

what should i do

[south spindle]

Yeah, i can see that being problematic on Vet for sure

If you're taking Trench Fighter, mightaswell take Shovel tho ove Chaxe tbh

[trim pivot]

Mega griefing item
"Don't worry guys, I'll hide us from the pox hounds"

[south spindle]

They're inconsistent vs shooters + gunners

[tall torrent]

No
On headhunter guns u want to click head
Having them consistently move around from suppression is exactly what u don’t want

[junior needle]

3/4 scuffed, 1/4 not preferred. Flak/maniac and fire frenzy/deathspitter.

[agile finch]

ty

[south spindle]

Sometimes they work proper well and pull off loads of incoming fire, other times you get blasted through the cloud

[tall torrent]

Harvest terrifying barrage

[junior needle]

(terrifying barrage is dog btw)

[tall torrent]

Speed load is alright? Ig

Harvest speed load then

[junior needle]

Yeah speedload is definitely better than barrage

[spring spindle]

I run this and like to use a MK VIII Braced Autogun with it and a shovel. Thoughts?

[gleaming turtle]

Still not sure what to make my second Plasma Gun perk. I am happy I can one tap Flak Gunners, but find it problematic I can't one tap Dreg Gunners.

[junior needle]

But still not prefferred over ff/deathspitter

[still flare]

Can someone give me a tldr on the axes? Blessings, horde/single target, use case, etc. Haven't really messed with them before

[junior needle]

My recommendation would be stamina>flak or maniac and barrage>ff or deathspitter

If you wanted to salvage it

You could also replace both perks for flak/maniac

[junior needle]

I think you should shift some points to get rending strikes

Since you're right there

voice of command would also likely be better for a close ranged oriented build

[tall torrent]

Outside of taking uncanny strike to higher lvl, what should I change for this shovel

[fathom edge]

how much does this actually do? i feel like it doesnt do a lot unless you hit something 3-4 times by which time the bleed isnt going to make the difference

[junior needle]

decimator/uncanny seem to be the consensus for best shovel blessings, perks would be elites>flak

[golden axle]

skull -> deci and elite -> flak

[trim pivot]

I've experimented with it on a melee commissar build, didn't work that well.
Horde clear is just too inferior to the chain sword.
I'd say chaxe is the weapon most in-need of a rework.

[tall torrent]

On its own not a lot of dmg
But the bleed stacks apply onslaught brittleness effects

[agile finch]

brauto setup thoughts?

[tall torrent]

I can only do 1 of those

[south spindle]

Ive found having SkullCrusher/Deci' is actually more output if you already have any source of Rending

SC ofc is doing way more atm than is listed

[junior needle]

That's because bleed stacks cap at 16 and scale exponentially, it doesn't really do much outside of bosses. Could use it for knife synergy with mercy killer without taking lacerate (which isn't very good).

[south spindle]

Wether or not its a bug or a case of an updated blessing missing its new tooltip who can say

[wanton dawn]

yes

[trim pivot]

It does help finish off non-elite/special/monstro enemies.
Otherwise it basically does nothing unless you're stacking it with Bloodletter

[normal sparrow]

I run deci + skull after running uncanny + skull for a long time
Rending dont matter much when you have krak tbh

[wanton dawn]

Be careful though, cleaving through a bulwark shield is only a gimmick that never matters in game

[plain heart]

My knife doesnt want to talk to you anymore

[south spindle]

Well it does, because Rending effects all armour types except Unarmoued/Infested now

But yeah, SC is putting in shitloads of work atm

[junior needle]

I assume uncanny provides much more consistent rending (the stacks stay on you, more than rending strikes, no need for crits with exploit, no need for ridiculous amounts of hits with onslaught) and much higher capped rending for for hard targets.

[fathom edge]

meaning you do up to true damage to those other types or can you do beyond true damage now?

[junior needle]

So you could easily get enough rending to full damage carapace and then some

Skullcrusher would feel immediately better however on soft targets you do full or near full damage to.

[mortal horizon]

which recon lasgun is the best

[junior needle]

They're all in the dumpster currently, 6d is the least bad but now low tier.

[spring spindle]

I kind of just like using infiltrate as a get out of jail free card and so I can do things. Tbh

[trim pivot]

Do you want really fast with least damage, fast with most damage, or the middle option?

[tall canopy]

RIP Rending Recon lasgun

[spring spindle]

Rending do be pretty good tho

[normal sparrow]

Im aware, but most enemies die before the rending takes effect
Crusher/bulwark/mauler you just krak, the rest dies before you build enough rending stack

[south spindle]

Kinda.. The TTK is actually better on a lot of enemies with SC atm purely because you dont gotta wind it up none, an if you run Onslaught + Serrated Edge, or even with Rending Strikes ontop, you're already stacking Rending bonus' so the extra alpha is more impactful overall

[plain heart]

I've been running this very mid-statted VIIa without even touching the perks and it has been doing some work after the letest patch

[tame lichen]

I keep forgetting you can activate powersword during block

[trim pivot]

iirc this one wasn't actually touched by the patch, but it is a good weapon.

[fathom edge]

how does toughness regen work on say a curio, is it an increase to all gains, or just gains on cohesion slow regen?

[manic badger]

how are axes on vet?

[plain heart]

well, you see, I ran VId before the patch

[tall torrent]

Combat axes - top tier
Tactical axes - uhhhhh

[trim pivot]

Ah okay LUL

[tall torrent]

Coherency

[junior needle]

May be worth considering that most important melee happens in extended where uptime would be consistent and the stacking becomes a near non-factor. Those talents are also a big ask depending on the build.

[manic badger]

people recommend rashad are there any other combat axes worth trying

[tall torrent]

All 3 are good

[wanton dawn]

antax. Achlys is the weakest of the 3

[spring spindle]

Is Laspistol good on Vet if you do a crit build?

[junior needle]

Yes, make sure you aim for the head

[manic badger]

kk ill just buy one of each to check out the move set what blessings are good on them i have not played with axes at all

[wanton dawn]

mostly cuz achlys has a weak horde moveset

[fathom edge]

whatre best vet curio perks?

[golden axle]

its insanely strong rn

[south spindle]

We have a differing build mentality methinks, Onslaught an Rending Strikes are BiS picks i try to grab on most builds

[tall torrent]

Does ghost’s ranged attack immunity activate both duck & dive and reciprocity

[plain heart]

What I do with my Bleed knife on Vet, is I dance around a horde hitting one part of the horde with maybe 2 attacks then moving on to next one and letting the bleedstacks finish them off.

[junior needle]

yes

[wanton dawn]

If it works like stripped down it might not proc reciprocity ?

[mortal horizon]

lmao got it ty

[manic badger]

I'm assuming for combat axes you want brutal momentum and decapitator right?

[junior needle]

Let me test it for you to be sure since I have ghost guns

[wanton dawn]

it does proc duck n dive though, unless it has been changed

[tall torrent]

So if I’m getting at it correctly
Duck & dive keeps deadshot active -> +25% crit chance
Reciprocity -> 25% crit chance (from 5 dodges)
Laspistol base crit chance 15% (?)
Veteran innate crit chance 5% (?)
I’m looking at 70% crit chance over here?

[wanton dawn]

they removed guns innate chances

[junior needle]

I grab at least one depending on the gun as well, but rending definitely doesn't feel like enough by itself and going deep into the right tree is not something ranged oriented builds will do to take advantage of bleed/onslaught in melee.

[tall torrent]

Ok but that’s still 55%?

[wintry bay]

is there some stigma to the viii autogun? Dont remember seeing another vet using one and i love the thing

[wanton dawn]

average reciprocity at 10%

You won't get 25% reliably

[tall torrent]

Ok so roughly 1 in 3 shots will crit then

[junior needle]

You sure? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 Still list guns as having crit chances.

[south spindle]

Onslaught effects all weapons afaik, not just melee, so you can fob off running Serrated an still benifit. More i mean after a certain point, more upfront damage is better than doing miserable damage at full rending stacks because you already have the grunt to make use of it

[glacial garnet]

why is "resuply allies" not tracking?

[golden axle]

is bugged

[glacial garnet]

bruh.

how the hell am i suppused to get the knockoff death korp helm?

[wanton dawn]

welp, guess i can check on revolver at least

[junior needle]

It does, rending is a buff to you generally while it lasts. It's still a big ask for effort to go and bleed things, wait for sufficient stacks, then blast them, as you noted. And then doing it for every target in something like a crusher patrol is also a bit much.

[wanton dawn]

But I won't check the code

I should already be sleeping

Revolver is listed as melee crit so

[south spindle]

Well not really, because if you're in melee in both scenarios, you have a weapon that deals fuck all damage, but has loads of rending, or you have a moderate amount of rending from your talents and then a big hit on melee, vs heavily armoued targets TTK is much the same, on everything else, the latter is pulling ahead a good bit

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is brittleness, not rending

It’s applied onto enemies

[south spindle]

Yes, im aware, but for all intents an purposes, its the same actual impact

[queen fox]

is this idea dumb or no

it makes sense in my head

[tall torrent]

So u suggest skullcrusher + decimator?

[queen fox]

im about to test it

[tall torrent]

Over uncanny strike + skullcrusher/decimator?

[near shore]

lol just bullied a plague ogryn and chaos spawn with devil claw parry

[south spindle]

Thats what i landed on after playing with Uncanny/Deci' for a good while prior, i got SC4 (at last) an decided to try it over Uncanny an yeah, it ended up outperforming it in most relevant scenarios

However, i will preface it by saying if you dont already have some form of Rending support, it might not be, but if you do already have it, Uncanny becomes a lot less valuable

[normal sparrow]

Deci > uncanny no question
Dont have deci + uncanny shovel atm

[junior needle]

I mean compared to just using krak grenades or using a weapon that can just blow them up (both ranged and melee) it's a big ask.

[kind scarab]

As someone with an uncanny+deci shovel

I've seen better weapons

[south spindle]

Ehh, you dont always have Kraks depending on your build an soley relying on a grenade to kill problem targets isnt a good way of going about it imo

[tall torrent]

thx

[junior needle]

Not most problem targets, just crushers.

[tall torrent]

yea I plan on running it with either onslaught or rending strikes

[south spindle]

Then yeah, use SC, if you dont have that support, use Uncanny

[junior needle]

Also why weapons that can deal with carapace well baseline are generally better

[tall torrent]

Yea so swap uncanny for decimator here and elite to flak?

[junior needle]

Free grenades is certainly less of an investment than running both bleed on melee and onslaught

[south spindle]

Personally i dont like putting all my eggs in single baskets, though personally i dont find Crushers that threatening anyway, its more that it makes the Shovel better at other stuff which you're more likely to be fighting in CqC

[south spindle]

Yer

[tall torrent]

Thx

[shell widget]

mkay sooo is the chain axe actually usable or purely a meme thing

[inland orchid]

I like it but people prefer the chainsword if u wanna try out shredder stuff

More mobility

[south spindle]

In terms of point investment its more or less the same. You dont have to take the bleed, you can just go on Onslaught, which is the literal same point cost as any other skill, sure you have to intentionally get to it, but you have to do that with grenade regen too on a number of builds

[junior needle]

It's against the general advice of most high tier shovel users but you can do as you like with it.

[shell widget]

do they both suffer from not-great horde clear? can't get the same level of performance like the shovel

[inland orchid]

Horde clear’s alright but ya nothing to widen ur gaze at

[south spindle]

Chainsword should be better than Shovel at horde clear?

Shovel is a tryhard combo-cycling weapon, Chainsword is spam heavy attacks an brrr, not to mention, Chainsword gets Rampage which is utterly cracked in this current patch

[inland orchid]

Donk here must have a cracked shovel

[shell widget]

HA, no I'm only lvl 17 vet

[junior needle]

Free grenades is definitely less of an investment than onslaught. If you're taking kraks, it's literally right there on the way down. Whereas if you're going voc it's a 5 point investment to nab onslaught if you just want it.

If you're not going kraks, free nades is a 2 point investment from any side.

[inland orchid]

Keep leveling broski you’ll get there

Hope you’ve been enjoying the talent trees

[junior needle]

Of course if you're going right tree anyway then of course you'd grab those 2 and it's no problem.

[forest blaze]

Hwhich CAxe are we liking more? Rashad or Antax?

[glacial garnet]

so is survivalist even working, since its not tracking penences?

[inland orchid]

From what I hear that penance has been bugged for a while

[south spindle]

If you're taking Kraks, otherwise you still have to deviate and/or give up other powerful talents to take it

[shell widget]

its been...weird to say the least. Trying to do some sort of Commisar support build, not sure if I should focus left or middle* branch. I'm hoping to run a revolver for gun, so left branch seems to be more up my alley. However, middle branch seems to have the more support oriented talents

[inland orchid]

Some people think it works with the base aura I.e unaugmented but I think this isn’t factual

[south spindle]

Given Vet tree is very bottom heavy when it comes to the actually strong skills, i prefer to ignore grenade regen entirely tbh

[inland orchid]

Never tried it myself cuz I was lucky enough to have the penance done before this bug showed up

[junior needle]

You'd have to do the same to take onslaught and bleed as well, if you weren't already going down that line...

[hearty panther]

Tbh vet being a bottom is totally canon

[inland orchid]

?

Maybe some but not all guards gonna want to bottom

[hearty panther]

Nobody said anything about willingness

[inland orchid]

It never is about willingness in 40k

[south spindle]

Thats kinda the point, to get stuff you want, you have to deviate, but i dont see free regen on 'nades being as strong in this patch compared to other stuff. It is very strong, but its not something thats got the same kind of uptime over a mission as Onslaught, Rending Strikes, Precision Strikes etc

[wanton dawn]

I stand corrected, seems like revolver does have crit stat correctly applied

Tooltip is still crap

[junior needle]

Learned something new, reciprocity doesn't seem to stack with ghost dodging. dnd works as has been noticed for some time.

[hearty panther]

You can trigger Reciprocity by manually dodging gunfire, but it has to be an input

Just one of em quirks

[candid tundra]

what's the best blessings to put on a plasma gun?

[hearty panther]

But also Stripped Down would trigger everything and you'd just run up with all those bonuses lol

[tall torrent]

Blaze away (lv3 only)
Glory hunter / Gets Hot

[south spindle]

Was about to ask regarding Stripped Down given it was changed

Gonna have to do a silly build with that an a bunch of +Stam shit

[hearty panther]

You don't even need +Stam

[junior needle]

Yes, but you'd need to deviate more for onslaught, and it doesn't fit well on many weapons because of fire rate. So many builds will just ignore the right side entirely. You can alleviate it not working as well with, as you said, the bleed talent, but that's a massive investment for both of them.

My whole point to begin this was that with that massive investment of points down the right tree into onslaught and bleed, if you didn't want those talents anyway, you'd be better off taking that rending blessing on your shovel and putting those points to better use.

[hearty panther]

As soon as you push into gunfire with a Stripped Down weapon you are instantly triggering duck n dive and getting the stamina back

[devout mist]

does anyone know what the mod for weapons attachments is on nexus?

like the name of it*

[south spindle]

You dont have to take bleed, you could probably get away with just Rending Strikes even, but we're not really debating anything here at this point lol. We both agree that if you dont have supporting talents then Uncanny is better on Shovel, if you already have supporting stuff, then SC becomes better

[midnight mortar]

It's not on nexus. Try #📌communities

[candid tundra]

thanks lol

[bitter turtle]

Free nades > rending strikes

[junior needle]

You can usually take both

[bitter turtle]

Way too many pts for that talent now

Better to throw it in other stuff

[wanton dawn]

Rending strike and free nade are rarely mutually exclusivr

Unless you go deep in other trees

[south spindle]

Like i said earlier, i dont see free grenades being as powerful as prior to the new skill trees, its still very strong, but its not in the "You must pick one of these talents to succeed" bracket any longer

[umbral scaffold]

I'm thinking that the green one is better slightly.

[junior needle]

You technically don't need any rending to succeed either

[hearty panther]

I don't even put any points into my trees.

[junior needle]

That too

[wanton dawn]

I don't even play

[bitter turtle]

Shredder frags are extremely clutch in the current patch

Way better than rending strikes

[wanton dawn]

Cant lose if no play

[bitter turtle]

More nades the better

[wanton dawn]

No

Am definitely not 800+

[bitter turtle]

Kraks still good too but way too much rager spam ATM for me to prefer them compared to patch 13

[south spindle]

For sure, but its a much more "catch all" style effect that has near constant uptime

All in all, its one of the strongest features in the game this patch

Kinda expect it to get a nerf on some armour types in a coming patch tbh

[tall torrent]

Krak is somewhat better in scab-only maelstrom
But generally speaking frags are just so much more versatile

[junior needle]

It certainly is strong, but don't sleep on the grenades. In a 30 minute mission, you get 30 free grenades, and that's about 15-30 potential wipes prevented.

[wanton dawn]

Frags are really strong as a clutch tool especially in no ammo mod, kraks makes every build good against monstro run

[bitter turtle]

Rending is strong

Rending strikes is not worth giving up frag spam with onslaught

[junior needle]

Well then you're getting the rending from bleed and onslaught

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[wanton dawn]

Definitely not me. I am an ogryn player

[junior needle]

You don't need rending strikes

[bitter turtle]

That's my point

It's better

[tall torrent]

Rending strikes is good if used with lower firerate weapons imo

[bitter turtle]

Ya I guess, a lot of low fire rates don't need it tho

Like hb or revolver

[tall torrent]

Headhunter autogun kind of needs it

[serene sage]

it feels as though im cheating with the bolter but damn the revolver feels good

[tall torrent]

Revolver def doesn’t

Helbore3 I’m not very sure rn

[south spindle]

I've not been sleeping on them, but i have been enjoying having variety in the Vet tree as opposed to just being an ammo disposal unit/demo' man like times of old

Though it still bugs me immensely that Scavenger works in Scab melee only

that shit needs to be forced off in those missions

[tall torrent]

Would be way less fun

[south spindle]

It says "no ammo pickups" and "melee only", it'd be nice if that was actually enforced as much as is reasonable to expect. Obviously cant do nowt about Psykers, but yeah. Melee only is one of the modifiers that goes from actually hard, to a fucking joke the second you have free ammo

[wanton dawn]

Ammo is really not the hard part on this modifier tjough

[south spindle]

No, the hard part is you have to engage a bunch of highly stagger resistant enemies in melee, as soon as you start throwing in free usage of things like Kickback, Revolver, Grenade Gauntlet, Plasma etc, you might aswell just be playing a normal scab only mission

[junior needle]

No ammo pickups, not no ammo regained.

[wanton dawn]

Oh btw, i kinda forgot but nurgle bless also increase mass ?

[inland orchid]

it makes them more mass-ful?

nurgle makes them thick?

[wanton dawn]

Lorewise ? Yes

[quick eagle]

Can anyone attest if this guide is still current? Looking to dip my toes into the mods scene and not sure where to start. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11cod2i/guide_how_to_install_mods_in_darktide_w_gifs/

[inland orchid]

#📌communities got a modded discord full of like-minded broskis

try there

[quick eagle]

TYVM

[inland orchid]

ya alotta channels to skim through u can miss a ton

np

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, only shout can save you here

Just saying that only shout can save you against pack of green rager

[tall torrent]

Do the 2 ragers have different properties aside armor type?

[wanton dawn]

Well, infiltrate works as well but longdr cd

It will hit all but not stun the green

Scab has more mass than dreg rager

You can hit 3 dreg rager with ps but only 2 scab

Which is pretty important for rampage

[shadow dagger]

damn is there really nothing to do with maxed weapons with bad rolls and no new blessings other than selling em

[inland orchid]

ya

[shadow dagger]

been doing it for a while but feels awful for some reason

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, need to bail. Stay nice

[halcyon zephyr]

meh milk

[south spindle]

And this is why everyone hates the crafting system

[kind scarab]

Couldn't sleep, so decided to make a funni hehe melee build

My dingy mk3 ps can now three hit a crusher

[shadow dagger]

i dont think not being able to recycle maxed weapons is why everyone hates the crafting system

[south spindle]

Its a big part of it

[kind scarab]

They get recycled into dockets

Clearly what the omnissiah intented

[halcyon zephyr]

best I can do is wrath 3

or devistating strike 4

[south spindle]

Not only do you waste mats to roll these fucking items, best you can do is get dockets from them so in essence you're getting a refund on that one single weapon's base cost, not the costs of upgrading it, which further feeds the cycle of tedium

[queen fox]

hmm

[rigid kelp]

Anyone got a good shotgun/combat axe build?

[delicate estuary]

is it intentional that all shotgun blessings are shared between the different variants ?

[short wigeon]

bit late to the convo but when the mission says "melee only" its referring to the types of enemy you'll be fighting. not telling you to ONLY use melee

[inland orchid]

its lying to you

it specifies "mostly melee enemies"

Not "only melee enemies"

from my experience it only tells u that when u actually look at it

[delicate estuary]

the only ranged enemies you will get on mostly melee is dependant on map seeds

but overall 95% of the nemies will be melee

[slender hemlock]

should i be looking for more thermal res?/ what is the dump stat on the plasma gun?

right now im using this one

[sullen scarab]

What blessings and perks do you run on the Shovel?

[tall torrent]

meta seems to be uncanny/decimator

[sullen scarab]

sounds good!

guess i Need ot keep rolling

[tall torrent]

but someone said skullcrusher/decimator is also good

[sullen scarab]

yeah hmmm

so as long as you have decimator

wonder if I should swap a perk out

or just swap blessings?

[tall torrent]

unarmored+flak seems to be the most popular melee weapon perks

[silk sleet]

My dump stat was always ammo because Im terrible for exploding

[raw steppe]

All blessings unlocks are shared for same weapon type across variants across account

[silk sleet]

I just gotta Buss sometimes man

[queen fox]

is this recoverable?

[velvet wraith]

is this worth using

[queen fox]

or does the ammo kill it?

[velvet wraith]

that's pretty god roll right?

[silk sleet]

Not for me. 304 is too low.

[tall torrent]

no

[midnight mortar]

No.

[halcyon zephyr]

somehow a slower chainaxe

[sullen scarab]

damn I put a holosight on the Headhunter VII and its not zeroed LOL

are there any of the sights on the weapons modification mod that work on the headhunter VII?

[gritty dock]

In this game Cleave and Rending does it mean the same thing?

[queen fox]

cleave is when you hit someone, your attack cleaves through them and into the next person
rending is a debuff that makes an enemies armor less effective iirc

[gritty dock]

Thank you very much for your answer, it explains a lot to me.

[drowsy leaf]

rending is a buff, brittleness is a debuff but both apply to armor reduction iirc

so they can stack

[queen fox]

ah my b

idea is run up to enemies while invulnerable to their bullets and then quickly kill one and suppress the rest, rinse and repeat

[delicate estuary]

so that is intended huh

[umbral scaffold]

i am killing myself

i got so eager

to replace a blessing

i replaced the wrong one

[elder vessel]

oof

[umbral scaffold]

hot wash of regret

literally had raking fire and dumdum

replaced raking fire

[queen fox]

on laspistol?

[umbral scaffold]

i have punishing salvo i meant to replace

columnus IAG

[queen fox]

i run dumdum and fire frenzy

this is pretty good

[umbral scaffold]

just wanted to demo raking fire on infiltrate and 90% less threat

[queen fox]

oh

lol

[umbral scaffold]

dont matter no more

i gotta fish for raking fire now

actually

it aint end of the world

had raking fire 3

i got flak 25% and elite 10%

so there's room for raking fire 4 and dum dum 4

[south spindle]

There are also no ammo pickups, so its kinda implied you should do most of it in melee. Scavenger breaks the balancing in that mode giga-hard.

[umbral scaffold]

once i get them

[south spindle]

"Oh look we have a Vet, i'll run my Handcannon crit build and shit on this whole mission like its Malice"

[gritty dock]

And what is better?

1. Rampage
   Hitting at least 3 enemies with an attack, increases your damage by 24-36% for 3 seconds.
2. Savage Sweep
   Hitting at least 3 enemies with an attack, increases your cleave by 140-200% for 2 seconds.

And how is it different in combat?
I understand that this mainly works in melee combat with multiple enemies (hordes).

[south spindle]

Rampage is better. By a fucking mile

Also, its bugged

[keen elk]

What power sword would y'all say is the best?

[south spindle]

And is giving Power + Damage

[queen fox]

today i learned the infantry autoguns have the best sprint of non-pistols

and the same as the revolver

oh wait nvm

recon 6d is also speedy

[wraith locust]

6 is like

as close to objectively better

as you can get

in this game

[short wigeon]

so are you suggesting that simply because you find it makes a mission feel too easy players should be locked out of not only just an aspect of the combat but entire aspects of a players build?

[queen fox]

6 is also objectively harder to use imo

3 is ez to pick up and do well with

[umbral scaffold]

man who cares what anyone has to say about the game

have fun

[south spindle]

If you bring a RANGED build into a MELEE only modifier, yes, you should feel heavily nerfed

[wraith locust]

yea it does require that you get the push attack down

[umbral scaffold]

nvm i am commenting on something i know nothing abt

carry on

[wraith locust]

but it has reduced block cost to make up for it

[bitter turtle]

Frag grenade spam breaks that mode harder than anything else on vet

[south spindle]

Eh, its strong, but you dont get a grenade back every single kill

So much less problematic

[queen fox]

i see 6 as a higher risk, higher reward psword

[bitter turtle]

You don't need a grenade for every lone enemy

You need it for the packs

Which certainly will refund you on avg

With demo team

Along with the 60s refund

[south spindle]

I just dont think the modifier has any real reason to exist if they're not gonna roll with the whole "melee only" aspect

[bitter turtle]

You always have one when you need it

[short wigeon]

its sounds like you'd just prefer that mission type to say "zealot class only"

[south spindle]

Mightaswell just play normal scab only

[short wigeon]

which is odd considering this is vet chat

[south spindle]

If thats the veiw you wanna take. But in actuality, i want difficulty and being given a team with a portable ammo dispenser in it allowing the mode to be trivialised by a couple guys with revolvers, does not add any difficulty

not to mention a lot of the enemies in that mode that could be considered dangerous, are simply not dangerous if you have an armour penning gun

[short wigeon]

queue for aurics then

[south spindle]

I do.

Its literally a Maelstrom modifier

[short wigeon]

dont try to tell them that i've already tried

[south spindle]

It is now, but thats a bug which is likely to get fixed pretty quick

Or at least i hope so

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-25208323

[bitter turtle]

When are we getting grenade only modifier

All enemies are bombers

You can only use grenades

[tawny pawn]

I think im off to a good start o_o

[bitter turtle]

All drops are grenades

[south spindle]

dont try to be intellectually dishonest. Surge is getting over a 100% buff to its damage because of a broken issue with Empowered Psyonics

[valid apex]

Damage on certain weapons needs toned down substantially.

As well as hp pools increased in a few enemies. Crushers/bulwarks are pretty meme

[south spindle]

Which is permanent if you have the thing proc'd the staff dont eat it

[bitter turtle]

Yes

Sounds fun doesn't it

[astral blade]

my gun is my melee weapon only switching to my actual melee weapon if i need to reload mid horde

[bitter turtle]

Hire me obesefeesh

[south spindle]

I've been saying that for fucking months, way before all the buffs and new trees

[sharp epoch]

nah surge without damage will get overwhelmed because of target cap

[south spindle]

Yeah there is a massive difference, because a Psyker wont be able to drop a Crusher in a single cast anymore

And thusly the volume will get them, not the individual

[bitter turtle]

Just turn the game sound down then

Ez counter to volume

[south spindle]

turn down the volume and all the enemies simply evaporate

You do realise that Surge doesnt work like that anymore right?

Smite does.. but thats not the problem child here

Surge does massive single target damage now, its not a stunlock stick anymore

the issue is its getting the buff that Smite should be getting, only permanently after its procd

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[sharp epoch]

stealth zelot

[tulip lodge]

Does anyone else know why the new vets are ignoring the team portion of the game

A lot of the new vets I’ve played with keep running off and dying

[bitter turtle]

replace vet

with people

and the answer is

because they need their sick frags

[misty delta]

call of duty blindset

[gritty dock]

What would you change in this Chainsword?

Bloodletter lvl 2 to lvl 4 or other Blessing.
Is there a big difference in Bloodletter between 12 and 14 Bleed Stacks from Special Attacks?
I use my special ability quite often.

[tulip lodge]

That’s what I keep saying

[bitter turtle]

i think the class with the lowest amount of solo heroes ive seen is psyker

but they make up for it with the ones that blow themselves up

[tulip lodge]

The people I’ve noticed that are bad play like they are trying to play cod

[short wigeon]

I tried to warn ya

[tulip lodge]

It’s just infuriating because the game ACTIVELY tells you to work together

[short wigeon]

Such is the life of a Jarhead

[tulip lodge]

They really do eat crayons

[short wigeon]

They're nice and chewy

[tulip lodge]

But I’m only complaining in the vet channel because the cod brained people gravitate to the class because it’s all they know

[wet anvil]

Speaking of this class anyone know a good method for completing the “on overwatch” penance?

[tall torrent]

VoC can come in clutch if u are to get hit by a melee when you’re at <100% toughness

[short wigeon]

get yourself a couple of ogryn bodyguards and a psyker

[wet anvil]

So it’s only if I take health damage?

[tall torrent]

But the biggest helps are probably smite Psyker & taunt shield Ogryn

[short wigeon]

yep

[tall torrent]

U can afford to take melee dmg if you have full toughness (doesn’t dmg health)

[wet anvil]

Ah ok that makes this slightly more manageable

[short wigeon]

also pays to have a high mobility melee like the mk vii tac axe

[wet anvil]

Now I just need to get good

[tall torrent]

Just practice missions where u aim to take as little melee dmg as possible while going heavy into melee fights

Gets u tuned into block & push so u can avoid a lot of the dmg

[short wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgewrench-dodgeball-gif-22028517

then you just gotta get good at dodging

[tall torrent]

Shovel is a safer pick

[wet anvil]

I’m good with dodging aside from maulers who I swear has a larger hitbox on its swings

[short wigeon]

with maulers its good to dodge backwards on horizontal swings and sideways on the verticals

dont dodge until he starts bringing it down though because he can drag that shit hard

[wet anvil]

What a bastard

Anyway off to not get murdered

[south spindle]

Its objectively the most fun melee weapon in the whole game imo

Shovel goated

[tall torrent]

Fun yes
Also probably the safest melee on vet

There’s nothing quite like hearing the bonk audio play for half the mission

[fervent quiver]

anybody got a glitch where your F wouldn't work?

[sharp ember]

yeah, karking server lag eating your input but it still makes the sound

[knotty walrus]

is there anything I should change the elites perk to?

thanks!

[queen fox]

is grabbing both .25s stamina recovery time talents a noob trap? i feel like im being noob trapped by it

[astral blade]

don't know why but i've gotten into a very bad habit of sticking by a psyker

[tall torrent]

I think you only need 1 usually, if you’re going into more of a melee build (take the one on the right tree)

The one on the left tree is so deep and point heavy that it’s generally not worth grabbing considering middle tree is full of talent taxes

[white minnow]

you can nab the left one if the stuff there helps your build

I run the columnus IAG with this build

[queen fox]

r8

[tall torrent]

Very good

[trim pivot]

It is indeed a trap.

[tall torrent]

Might wanna check ur breakpoints tho

I’m not sure which maniac enemy can survive a revolver crit headshot with 80% rending

[gray belfry]

if any do they deserve to live lmao

[tall torrent]

Mutant 1 tap headshot revolver seems too niche a breakpoint compared to one tapping crushers and maulers in the head

[queen fox]

wait you can 1tap crushers with revolver?

how

[tall torrent]

With 30% weakpoint node on left tree

Hand cannon + surgical

[queen fox]

and exe or no?

[tall torrent]

Path through deadshot because u want crit chance

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure no X stance needed?

Crit headshot with 80% rending + 30% weakpoint dmg + 10% dmg (from pathing through deadshot)

Crusher is 3600hp

[queen fox]

with that gun and those perks

not quite there

[tall torrent]

Hmmmmmmm

Maybe needs VF

Actually

Add carapace 25% in there

[queen fox]

crit headshot doesnt 1tap mauler either

[tall torrent]

Also both 25% Ogryn/monstrosity and 15% elite

Forgot abt those

[queen fox]

i have those ofc

[tall torrent]

Hmmmmmmm

Not sure then

[queen fox]

im trying cara rn that might push it over

[tall torrent]

Marksman can definitely push the breakpoint to 1 tap crusher

[queen fox]

it does, i did it

oh

exe does

[tall torrent]

I don’t think exe is that great with revolver

[queen fox]

it isnt

but 1tapping a crusher is always fun

[tall torrent]

Would rather go marksman even though it’s super point heavy

[queen fox]

nope carapace did not push it over

needs marksman, maybe also exe

[tall torrent]

Needs either VF or Marksman then

Marksman alone should be enough

[queen fox]

definitely would be with +carapace on this thing

[viscid marlin]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2204009206488577398/01398E6D4A1964D7FC51EE40E8CDD49D76F35F7C/

which one of these do i keep?

[queen fox]

im gonna take 25% unyeilding on it actually

then i can tap reapers and do more boss dmg

[spring spindle]

What perks are good for a MK VIII Braced?

Flak and Infested or something?

[tall torrent]

Talent prob smth like this

[queen fox]

almost always flak and maniac

[ebon umbra]

low level bolter vets on auric mael really have me requeuing fr fr

i am grieving

[umbral scaffold]

does 20% brittleness and 100% rending stack?

[tall torrent]

Maximum is 100%
Past that there’s nothing left to rend lol

[umbral scaffold]

how does 25% dmg vs maniacs/flak etc. interact with rending?

[delicate moat]

the game crashed after extraction

what the fk

[tall torrent]

Oh rly

Cool

[queen fox]

is there a limit to the additional dmg you can do?

or can you get a whole team of ppl stacking brittleness onto a boss?

[celest vine]

Id trade the last perk in the left tree for Kill zone

Cause 15% flat bonus damage when enemies arent close to you is way better overall

It also triggers when catch a breath is active

[tall torrent]

Marksman is specifically for maximizing revolver 1 taps

If crusher 1 tap is what he wants

[celest vine]

Ohh thats fair then

[umbral scaffold]

does uncanny strike stacks apply to ranged attacks?

[tall torrent]

No

[umbral scaffold]

i just tested it

it does?

ok i may be dumb, i think im seeing the swap dmg amp

[minor iron]

we're saved right? PC 3 to 4 and weak spot damage to flak or something, or does rampage NEED to be slaughterer?

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum is kinda better

[minor iron]

damn

this is the first super good stat roll ive gotten on a power sword too

[wet anvil]

This game is being mean to me perfect run then at the very end tackled by a mutant with a tox flamer burning me so I take health damage

[midnight mortar]

You can run slaughterer if you want instead. Though Brutal Momenutm is better.

[minor iron]

eh i would need to use the 2 changes on power cycler 4 and the elite damage to maniac or flak i think. not sure i can afford to change rampage to anything else

[midnight mortar]

You could try leaving power cycler at tier 3 too.

[golden axle]

oof

[midnight mortar]

Either way, yeah not great though.

[minor iron]

i think rampage is fine right? not trash tier or anything but maybe not best in slot

i really dont want to continue farming this lol....

[feral stratus]

I know Hellbores are not used that much rn but this seems good i think?

[midnight mortar]

It's in 3rd place below Slaughterer and Power Cycler/Brutal Momentum.

[midnight mortar]

Seems fine so far.

[trim pivot]

That's good. Mk II already has the best charge rate out of the three.

[feral stratus]

I'm looking for surgical and what else?

I'm not that used to Hellbores blessings

Okay

[midnight mortar]

Sunder feels like a utility pick to me. It increases cleave right? Which means for that scenario of wanting to apply damage through 2 bulwarks into a 3rd elite or a 3rd rager, it's helpful.

[tall torrent]

[midnight mortar]

But rarely do you actually need to do that in practice.

[frank ether]

I'd be happier with onslaught if it was a flat fixed reduction with no stacks tbh

[midnight mortar]

Enemies aren't lining up so nicely, you've got squadmates also being involved in a fight, and you're still applying stagger through the enemies even if you aren't applying damage.

[frank ether]

maybe I'm the oddball though

[midnight mortar]

In mixed hordes if you're running sunder you have higher damage than brutal momentum? Assuming power cycler and the same finesse/damage stats?

Is Sunder increasing just cleave? Or is it also increasing cleave damage and cleave targets?

[tall torrent]

Sunder is better for when you’re cleaving through stuff u don’t weakpoint 1 hit kill

[midnight mortar]

Yeah that was my impression.

I feel like the power sword already has strong enough anti-group capability that I'd rather increase its single target performance with brutal momentum, which also adds some anti-group power just not as much as sunder.

[umbral scaffold]

wonder when well get a complete tree for vet

[midnight mortar]

They'll be on vacation in December.

Isn't their mandatory Swedish vacation in December?

[frank ether]

is it the shout buffs?

[umbral scaffold]

vet was never op after the update idfk what kind of crack youve been smoking 💀

best solo class is oggy

you get buffs for each person down that let you solo the map

yes chance

i know

[midnight mortar]

I'm not sure if a class' ability to solo maelstroms should be the benchmark by which all classes are compared to.

[umbral scaffold]

stealh is only really good for on overwatch idk again what kind of crack youve been smoking

[atomic zephyr]

me watching hadron brick a 379 power sword

[midnight mortar]

Unless you're looking at a class philosophy where every class should be capable of doing everything vs relegated roles.

[frank ether]

its the infil vet kool-aid

[umbral scaffold]

yes i know

[ivory rock]

How's this look? ik perks are kinda ehhhh but

dmg n stoppin power are p good

[umbral scaffold]

just tap every enemy with plasma its not that hard

[frank ether]

will vet fall off your tier list if they make events cancel stealth

[midnight mortar]

I moreso meant that even if a class can solo under specific conditions, that may not mean its overpowered in the intended context the game was balanced around.

I don't think FS is balancing classes and talents based on "alright, let's try this in a solo damnation maelstrom".

So the results you get while notable may not be the approach they have in mind.

And so there's going to be discrepancies.

[frank ether]

p13 infil was kinda dogwater

[forest blaze]

😉

[frank ether]

It'd be crack tier take to imply infiltrate is overpowered

It might have its uses if you're trying to solo the game and need to do objectives

thats not overpowered in the context the game is meant to be played

so does zealot stealth, or vet shout

isnt it 6 with a talent?

[spring spindle]

Worth?

[frank ether]

well the 6s one is op according to your logic

[sharp ember]

good statted, good upgrade rolls remain to be seen

[frank ether]

cause you can do all the things stealth vet does, more frequently

[spring spindle]

Just got devastating strike on it

[sharp ember]

bad roll , the weakest cleave blessing available for chainsword

[spring spindle]

It’s got better stats than my shovel. I’ll still take it lol

[cloud leaf]

MAYBE i was wrong about power sword

[tawny pawn]

what kind of curious do vets take, and what perks are they looking for?

Thanky thanky

I see, stam for the real pros

[tall torrent]

5% toughness and 5% health are better over stam regen and block efficiency?

[tawny pawn]

Toughness regen worth it, or not so much for vets?

[cursive goblet]

How do you pull these stats?

[cloud leaf]

scoreboard mod

[cursive goblet]

Ah, ok

[tall torrent]

How does stamina regen work

Increases the rate u regain stamina after it starts regen?

[candid bridge]

are tier4 blessings achievable when upgrading from green to blue?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[cloud leaf]

hows this

[cursive goblet]

The axe only attacks single targets though, right?

[tall torrent]

Not with brutal momentum

[cursive goblet]

So is the rashad axe the best vet melee weapon?

I'm very new to the game btw

Just trying to figure out what to go for while learning the ropes

[tall torrent]

Depends on what ur looking for but it’s a relatively safe weapon that deals with mostly every target in the game well

[cursive goblet]

I'm currently using the power sword 6 and am liking it a lot

[tall torrent]

It’s not the most lethal or the safest but it’s one of the best all-rounders that doesn’t miss out on anything

[cursive goblet]

I see

I haven't gotten a devil claw yet

[tawny pawn]

Devil claw ive been curious about too

That parry a bit useful?

[delicate moat]

massively

[tall torrent]

VERY

[delicate moat]

against ragers especially

[tawny pawn]

Can i parry a crusher? :0

[delicate moat]

yes

but a bit risky

[cursive goblet]

but yeah, I'm on my first character and only to level 25 so still trying to learn how stuff works

[tall torrent]

You cannot parry bullets

And that’s abt it

Everything else, u can parry

[delicate moat]

not with that attitude

clearly just not timing the 0.3 nanosecond parry window well enough

[sharp hinge]

I fell off the map

[minor iron]

what stats am i looking for on chainsword? high everything except mobility?

[feral stratus]

Just got this from a drop

[ivory rock]

Rifling thru his pockets for new content

[verbal oxide]

I just got this from Melk, but I haven't really looked too much into crafting. Should I swap some stuff out for it?

[ivory rock]

not sure how to feel about this

[low oar]

You probably lose a dodge, so I actually wouldn't recommend it lol

[ruby totem]

I feel like revolver vets use about twice the ammo jsut to kill half the enemies a plasma would

[low oar]

Revolver gets back one bullet per kill. Plasma gets back a 1/3 per kill

[crystal ember]

what am i ripping off this power sword

feel like its bm4

[low oar]

Probably the Power cycler

100% increase in energized hits

[crystal ember]

but knowing how the weakspot perk works it probably doesnt matter much with the insane cleave of energized swings

[ruby totem]

What's a good recon build blessings wise?

[candid bridge]

headhunter and infernus

[low oar]

Dumdum + headhunter

[sharp ember]

i agree PC3, BM4 isn't a huge gain compared to lesser tiers

[astral blade]

i need a weapon better than my chainsword any suggestions

[low oar]

mk IV devils claw

[astral blade]

whats the difference between the mk 4 and the mk 7

[wheat rivet]

fools

[wheat rivet]

get bm4

hope got pc4

rekt everyone

[feral stratus]

MK7 has a vertical swing in the light attack combo

[low oar]

The horde clear combo in backwards, Heavy 1 is an overhead on the mk4 rather than horizontal, and the mk4 does more damage on heavies but is a tad slower

The main reason is the easier access to a heavy overhead for dealing with elites/specials

In my opinion at least

And the MK 1 is dumb since all it can do is horde clear or light spam for an attempt at special/elite clearing

Since it doesn't really have overheads

[astral blade]

i just need a melee weapon for pure horde clearing

my current gun the col gets the job done for eiltes/specials and bosses

[low oar]

It's generally better for ammo economy to also be able to handle elites/specials with melee

Just use the MK1 since it's really dumb easy to just spam heavy for hordes

Like it's sorta a waste of ammo to dump a bunch of ammo into a lone elite that doesn't really need to spend ammo/resources on

So a melee able to handle both is nicer

[echo pendant]

what is the smoke grenade useful for?

[cunning wing]

😮

[echo pendant]

i honestly have no idea how to use it properly

[low oar]

memes

I only have one build with it on my plasma gun

And a lot of people still disagree lmao

It's for rushing down shooters or providing cover from shooters

Which isn't an issue for vet

And it takes fucking forever to go off

So smokes aren't that useful

[astral blade]

i just need a good weapon for horde clearing

[ivory rock]

This worth building more or try for a 360+ base roll?

[astral blade]

any suggestions?

melee wise

[low oar]

I only use it on plasma since I don't clear shooters with my plasma because that's dumb, and I'm on volley fire

[echo pendant]

the chain sword and chain axe are pretty good at dealing with hordes

at least thats what ive heard

[low oar]

Chain axe isn't that good for horde clear

[midnight mortar]

The power sword is king once you have tier 4 power cycler.

[astral blade]

power sword huh ok

[low oar]

Chain axe is sorta the weakest chain weapon at the moment

It does do dummy damage though for some reason

But only single target

[teal void]

whats yalls favorite ranged vet weapon my favorite is the columnus autogun i think it does crazy damage and is the most versitile the recoil is a bit higher i have been wanting to try other guns but every one i have tried is meh or really situational whereas the columnus is good at everything

[delicate moat]

im a agripinaa mk1 IAG fan

very solid gun

[golden axle]

laspistol

at least since patch 13

[placid portal]

Agreed an ol reliable

[delicate moat]

"please dont bricc please dont bricc"
"fuck it bricc'd"

[cloud leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[tawny pawn]

so wich devil claw sword should i be using

and what kind of perks/blessing sto look for?

[minor iron]

just got the game a week or so ago and im starting to comfortably do auric stuff now, started using boltgun, then swapped to plasma since its faster, then swapped to revolver since its even faster and now i dont know if ill be able to ever use anything else

[south garnet]

don't worry they'll nerf it to be useless again soon

[south spindle]

IV or VII, but the IV has a generally better moveset. Perks- Flak/Maniac, Blessings- Rampage + Shred/Savage/Wrath, users choice

Rampage is pretty non-negotiable tho

[trim pivot]

Different movesets for each, highest heavy damage on the IV(?).
Mk I heavies are both horizontal slashes and reduce brain cells required for horde clear.

[south spindle]

Nah, not highest, they're the same, the important thing about IV is that H1 is the overhead which can be looped easily, cant do that on VII because the H1 is a sweep

Like they're both super good, but IV is more versatile because of the difference in moveset

[minor iron]

(i like vii better shrimply because i like the curved blade look more than the triangular one)

[south spindle]

I prefer the push attack on the VII, that poke is pretty useful to stab a rager in the eye every so often

[dense fog]

Guys is anybody here done a mission without taking any melee damage?
If there is how did you do that

[south spindle]

Yeah ive done that

[dense fog]

How

[midnight mortar]

By being consistent.

That's pretty much it.

[south spindle]

and i cant tell you, just by playing the game.. I did it in Damn too

[minor iron]

i did it by going invis vet, playing with 2 ogryns (randoms) and being very, very, very aware

[midnight mortar]

You play through every encounter with the goal being to not take damage.

I naturally played that way already.

[minor iron]

block constantly and remember that it only counts if you take health damage, if you take melee damage to toucghness it doesnt count as being 'hit'

[midnight mortar]

So it wasn't hard to develop the skills to look around me, dodge appropriately, position well, etc.

[south spindle]

As you kinda should on the whole tbh

[trim pivot]

Did it pre-patch, before the Endtimes (October 4).

[south spindle]

Taking damage bad, dealing damage, good

[trim pivot]

@dense fog but I'd recommend trying to do it on Enclavum Baross

[dense fog]

What ability did you use at least

[minor iron]

i played super duper passive and since it was on a malice difficulty it wasnt too bad

[midnight mortar]

I earned it back when Executioner's Stance was called Volley Fire. Nowadays you've got an extra cushion via Voice of Command you can use as an oh shit button.

[minor iron]

yeah voice gives 100 extra tough and pushes enemies back

[dense fog]

If I'll get a hit to my shield, will it count as melee damage

?

[midnight mortar]

Read what @minor iron said.

#veteran-class message

[trim pivot]

Do you mean your toughness? Yes if it's a melee attack

[dense fog]

Yeah, thoughtness

[dense fog]

Okay

[echo pendant]

did they just

not put a stock in for the bolt gun?

[midnight mortar]

This pattern of boltgun does not have one.

[trim pivot]

why would a massive gun with insane kick need a stock /s

[sharp ember]

It only counts if you take hp damage

if you soak completely into your toughness, you'll be ok

[tame lichen]

Anyone actually put corruption resistence ont their curiors?

[midnight mortar]

I run one perk of that.

[trim pivot]

Melee damage will always give you at least a tick of HP damage, unless you're blocking it.

[placid portal]

Corruption is as bad if you're taking grimoires or harassed by dogs

[midnight mortar]

The way this works is that if you are at 100% toughness, there will be no melee damage bleedthrough.

If you are at less than 100% toughness, damage will also apply to your health.

Certain attacks ignore this.

Such as crusher and mauler overheads.

[placid portal]

Bc toughness mitigates based on toughness %

[trim pivot]

ah ic

[midnight mortar]

Those will eat all your toughness and apply health damage.

[placid portal]

Overheads insta kills for vets kek

[astral blade]

hey rending strikes combo with onslaught yay or nay

[placid portal]

Maybe

If you can crit

2 times

[astral blade]

i said rending strikes not weakness exploit

[placid portal]

Ah

It def stacks

Additively

So 10 + 2.5%x hits dealt rending

[astral blade]

so rending strikes and onslaught stack?

[placid portal]

Yr

[trim pivot]

Yeah, I have at least 12% on each one.
Build up far less corruption than the rest of the team usually.

[placid portal]

If it didnt it would suck

[placid portal]

I know it aint common but zealots with corruption healing is rather nice

Or field provisions vet

[radiant chasm]

corruption resist is lowkey nice but it's hard competition

gunner and sniper resist usually take prio

and some people really just like their stam regen (or coherency regen on ogryn)

oh and so does flat 5% toughness and HP

[astral blade]

honestly field improvisation isnt worth the sac to get rending strikes

think i'll stick with onslaught only

[placid portal]

Kind of a friend teamup niche I guess

[astral blade]

i've got 2 points now that i dont know what to do with

was gonna do hunter's resolve since i do sometimes pop stealth than reengage

mid horde

[spare wolf]

Is plasma gun bugged

[placid portal]

For wat

It wont work on deadshot since day 1

[spare wolf]

Over 74 or was it 76%? charge stat

It actually reduces dmg

[placid portal]

And diff in stopping power or perks?

[astral blade]

should i get nade tinker?

[placid portal]

What nade you using

[radiant chasm]

which nade you using, frags and kraks yes, smoke not really

[placid portal]

If krak heck nah

[radiant chasm]

krak is worth for monstros alone

if you are going into nade investment

[astral blade]

only nade that should be used krak nades

[placid portal]

Krak is dependant on if you wanna nuke but tbh

[left bridge]

do auras stack? Does two vets running survivalist get 2% ammo per enemy killed?

[radiant chasm]

ehh frags have their uses

[placid portal]

Nah

Shredda my beloved

[radiant chasm]

no auras stack with the same aura

[placid portal]

Krak has no blast radius

[radiant chasm]

frags are good for builds like plasma, helbores

were big things aren't an issue

[placid portal]

Just a good old all rounder

Plus helps ogyrns with delight in destruction stacks

[radiant chasm]

krak is an insta kill to any non boss level enemy

[radiant chasm]

not a lot of ogryns run that tbh but i get what your thinking

and if you slap tinkerer on it, you can absolutely demolish monsters

[placid portal]

Wym right after delight is dominate giving big rending boofs

[astral blade]

this bad boy already does mons dirty as it is

hence why i'm curious on what to use

[placid portal]

Nice

Hope you get dum dum 4

[astral blade]

trying but the grind is slow so is the dockets

[gaunt hinge]

ya got ordo gain on yer curios?

[astral blade]

nope dont use that

would do auric but that shit is a plain nightmare on Oceania

[outer mulch]

does anyone have thoughts on the current rager situation? Im finding there's far too many of them

[minor iron]

do hordes move faster when i have my back turned to them or something? i swear to god i have 80 mobility on my sword but i still get caught by enemies i definitely shouldve outran

[astral blade]

plus no one even does it on Oceania servers anyways

[dusky flare]

Dum dum 4 isn't worth it, it's only 2.5% additive

[placid portal]

Nah hoardes are slightly faster than you can flee

[serene sage]

Close and Kill value?

so you can run away?

[minor iron]

i swear some youtubers say that if i have a certain mob stat i should be able to outrun them

[astral blade]

who let you out of the kitchen?

[placid portal]

Retreat means abandonmemt of duty
Abandonment of duty means execution

[serene sage]

it's tactical advance

to the other direction

[placid portal]

You can take it to the commissar

[serene sage]

i am the commissar

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-i-am-the-senate-gif-10270130

[placid portal]

Then take it to your last assigned commissar

Or even Sergeant Morrow

[astral blade]

bring it down

what you guys think?

should i go for that passive?

[placid portal]

Good if you hate big enemies

25% boost is no slouch

It also help with power sword mk4 push power combo on crushers to 2 tap

[south spindle]

If Ogryns were more threatening that skill would be dope, but alas, they are not unless they pin you in a corner

[placid portal]

More damage is more damage

Simple

[south spindle]

It is, but it shares a tier with the 10% vs all Elite enemies

Which is way more valuable because a lot of the humanoid elites are actually dangerous

[placid portal]

True

But if you can take it you should

If it does make breakpoints

Which it can for powersword apparently

[south spindle]

Yeah if you need a certain breakpoint its deffo a good pick

[placid portal]

Hellbore and plasma would like that imo in general

[astral blade]

ugh guys give me a suggestion to work with here

[placid portal]

What is the weapons used for this build

Im guessing autogun

[inner imp]

who in the world, actually uses this talent?

[placid portal]

Me

[inner imp]

does this even proc

[placid portal]

Ye in a hoarde

[inner imp]

how often does it go up

[placid portal]

Kekw

Very

[inner imp]

ight im testing it rn in a match

imma hunt u down if u lying to me

[placid portal]

You dont need to be in coherency to activate it

[inner imp]

imma find u, and throw a cat at you

[placid portal]

Good luck

[wraith lion]

Have a friend throw a grenade in a horde to guarantee procs

[astral blade]

these

[placid portal]

2.5% somehow activates more often than 10% but thats bc its easier to kill enemies than throw grenades en masses

[inner imp]

i expect 2.5% any kill to proc more than 5% only elite/spec tbh

its why old demo team was so good

10% any kill for nade back

[astral blade]

suggestions?

[wraith lion]

Is there a guide to the weapon variants, I'm digging autoguns but I want to know what the kinda "best" is for sustained fire

I know it's probably a braced autogun

[placid portal]

IAGs give you thr best bang for buck when it comes to sustained fire

Especially Agripinaa

Dunno much about Graia

Braced imo just sprays bullets than shoot em anyway

[zealous wyvern]

everyone i ever heard talk about it says it is very good and comes up constantly

you playing damnation without low intensity?

[placid portal]

Ofc competitive wont proc if you get all the kills

[gaunt hinge]

it makes you better if you arent doing all the carrying

[placid portal]

You'll know you have the urge if your screen has the funny yellow

Anyone have experience with Graia? Still dont understand

[radiant chasm]

no brautos want FF DS

[sharp hinge]

Columnus Infantry Autogun is the best for the fastest shooting gun

Agripinna Braced Autogun is the best for ammo efficiency and damage per shot. It also staggers ragers, which is really good.

[radiant chasm]

so they can blast through a hordes to get to specials

OHH i thought you meant sustained fire the blessing

woops

[wraith lion]

I don't know what these mean

[dark sorrel]

what melee weapon compliments a helbore lasgun well?

[placid portal]

Fire frenzy Death spitter

[placid portal]

Shovel

[radiant chasm]

for sustained fire as in shooting a lot, I'd say the infantry auto guns and braced autoguns all fit the bill

[radiant chasm]

fast swap speed and good horde clear, i'd say chsword or dclaw

[placid portal]

Infantry is imo better if you wanna actually engage mid range

[radiant chasm]

shovel if you wanna do the krieger larp

[placid portal]

Shovel is not that bad

Fast heavy spams

[radiant chasm]

brauto can do mid range easily,

shovel is an all rounder

but that is best paired with another all rounder, or at least something that can't hit into armor