veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I heard ghost’s immunity works as “dodging”

[wanton dawn]

This is what happens without sunder

On the previous video, the damage went through the shield. On this one, it cannot and I only start damaging when the shield is no longer in the way

[terse idol]

What uh, blessings should I get for this?
Also how good is this?

[wanton dawn]

Wrong class mah dude

This is a zealot wep

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719

[terse idol]

woops

[wanton dawn]

Unless you got scared by the zealot chat. They got some scary individual

[terse idol]

I was so comfortable in vet chat, I gotta... venture

[dusty ferry]

Return to Veteran chat

let the vets give you the wrong advice on the wrong class

[terse idol]

[gusty sonnet]

IDK why the fuck the scoreboard debate keeps coming back in zealot chat.

And only in zealot's

[halcyon zephyr]

because vet is secure at the top of the scoreboard, and zealots are zealots

[gleaming turtle]

This seems like one of those things that's near to know about, but it ultimately not very useful.

neat*

[fickle wraith]

yeah the ovenproof scoreboard mod

[kind scarab]

People come back to vet chat

Cause we're the sensible ones

[fickle wraith]

hmmmge

do i try to push for luck or nah

or just take that brutal momentum

[kind scarab]

Push

[halcyon zephyr]

finese is a bit low

[kind scarab]

What ya got to lose

Other than all yer plasteel

[fickle wraith]

welp

i wanna die

do i extract BM 3 or sunder 4

[kind scarab]

That's exactly what the emperor wants to hear

[fickle wraith]

[kind scarab]

Now go fight

BM

[fickle wraith]

i got PC4

already

so BM3>sunder 4 correct?

[halcyon zephyr]

wait why does the bar go up to max at 80% what's the point

[fickle wraith]

its a mod

[halcyon zephyr]

oh

[fickle wraith]

cuz theres nothing higher than 80%

[dusty ferry]

Maybe keep it until you get a sword with power cycle and replace one of them with it?

Unless you got a better one, but the stats are nasty

[fickle wraith]

i have a pc4 perk

blessing*

thats the thing

if i replace sunder with pc4

ill have to sacrifice one perk

[kind scarab]

Block efficiency is trash anyway

[dusty ferry]

Remove sunder

[fickle wraith]

im aware

[kind scarab]

So remove that and sunder like Mako said

[fickle wraith]

this is

what im unsure about

ill be stuck with one mid perk

[dusty ferry]

I don’t think block efficiency is needed too

[kind scarab]

Damage to specialists ain't that bad tbh

[fickle wraith]

ait

guess ill do that for now

i was really thinking about just snagging that BM lol

[dusty ferry]

The energised hits are strong, replace it with maybe 25% for unyielding or armoured

[wanton dawn]

On the contrary. This is one of those things that can, and will, bring value in melee clutch

[dusty nacelle]

Any melees u would recommend other than the mk 4 devil's claws for hordes? Since it's not in brunt's rnn so it's really hard to roll for

[cloud leaf]

im so fucking good

[fickle wraith]

yeah just unsure which 1

maniacs?

unyielding?

[kind scarab]

Grab either a powersword, or one of the other Claws

MK7 is aight

[dusty ferry]

I usually go unyielding

[dusty nacelle]

Which power sword would u go for?

[dusty ferry]

But energised hits stagger well

[kind scarab]

Personally I like the MK3 for dealing with hordes faster

But the general populace likes the MK6 more cause it can twoshot crushers on a perfect setup

[fickle wraith]

ait

maniacs, flaks, unyielding

what are we thinking

for the perk

[daring badger]

Prefer the mk6 personally, deals with hordes just as well and single target much better

[gleaming turtle]

Iunno, it just feels like in any kinda scenario like this they'd just be smashing your brain case in, or someone else would be anyway. Also feels like an extreme outlier scenario in the first place to bother taking Sunder. I'd need an argument that has greater added value than "you could theoretically clutch with it".

[dusty ferry]

I prefer MK6 too

[cloud leaf]

chain sword. look how much dmg i do in melee with it, power swoprd is ass

[kind scarab]

Chainsword is one of the worst 3 melee weapons for Vet

[wanton dawn]

Here is a "standard" no ammo maelstrom pack #veteran-class message

[dusty ferry]

I suggest carapace/flak

[cloud leaf]

youre objectively wrong its actually the best melee weapon for vet

[dusty ferry]

Even without them you can hurt admired enemies badly

[timber phoenix]

i agree

objectively incorrect

[dusty ferry]

Unyielding is most preferable tho

[kind scarab]

Y'all both smoking some really dank stuff

[plain heart]

it depends on your use

[kind scarab]

If y'all think chainsword is the best weapon

[cloud leaf]

ur just ass

[halcyon zephyr]

share that kush thinking chainsword is better than psword.

[daring badger]

Lmao

[halcyon zephyr]

pass that shit man, I want to be in the 42 millenium with you

[daring badger]

Must be smoking something good

[timber phoenix]

i bet you work in surg

no respect for psych

[kind scarab]

Glad you're whole reasoning for the chainsword is great is cause I am ass

Keep thinking that

[dusty nacelle]

Sooo, wut's a good wep that's good for hordes?

[dusty ferry]

Chainsword greater than energised sword?

[halcyon zephyr]

power sword

[dusty ferry]

What is that you drinkin

[dusty nacelle]

MK3 or 6?

[timber phoenix]

wait no if you worked in surg you wouldn't be here, the hours are ass

[sterile garnet]

mk 6

[dusty ferry]

Both are good, MK6 is preferred for its ability to handle single targets as well

[sterile garnet]

mk6 psword

[daring badger]

6 Can deal with hordes and armored

[halcyon zephyr]

What weapon is better at stopping movement and locking you in place while you floss the enemies' teeth?
Chain sword

[golden axle]

you have plenty of options. Power sword, chain sword with a cleave blessing, antax, devil, SHOVEL is goated.

[dusty nacelle]

I'm running columnus IAG and krak grenades so i don't really need to deal with armored as much

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i take sunder in the context of a melee vet so yes, i need to account for bulwark and elite stagger

[kind scarab]

There's a weapon that's even better at doing that, the chainaxe

[dusty nacelle]

I haven't considered the shovel actually, wut does it do?

[halcyon zephyr]

Chainaxe is my favorite vet melee weapon

[kind scarab]

Shovel is our best stagger weapon

[dusty ferry]

On a fair note it does one shot hordes just by simply swinging it, and it keeps most enemies stunned and helpless with the rev attacks

[dusty nacelle]

So it's like vet's version of the slab shield?

[gleaming turtle]

Alright, so walk me through this then; would you make the sincere argument that Sunder is better than BM or Rampage? I want to know if you're looking at an edge case situation or if you're talking general use.

[halcyon zephyr]

Mostly because if I ever see it in pre-lobby, I know to sober up for the run

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[golden axle]

So the shovel was buffed recently to include a lot a lot a lot of cleave and stagger. It also had its heavy chains attack speed heavily pushed so you can heavy attack about as fast as lights which stagger whole hordes.

[timber phoenix]

what's best shovel blessings im struggling with it

[plain heart]

Whats my best bet at turning this Brauto into a not-brick, change both perks or leave the weakspot damage perk and change the T1 Deathspitter?

[golden axle]

you want uncanny/decimator

[dusty nacelle]

So now I have to decide on getting a shovel or a power sword

[halcyon zephyr]

That's just unfortunate

[kind scarab]

Something like this, but I personally don't enjoy using it

[daring badger]

Power sword you need cycler really, so depends if you have that

[timber phoenix]

ty

[dusty nacelle]

For shovel is the dump stat mobility or defences?

[golden axle]

nearly perfect roll, nice.

[urban steppe]

is this good for upgrade ?

[dusty ferry]

I think that’s not what I would roll with, the blessings aren’t..really great

[golden axle]

a little of both, you want to just hit the dodge limit max and then the rest is dump.

[timber phoenix]

i thought people went for agri brauto

[wanton dawn]

I tested sunder to deal with flak melee elite cuz you cannot proc rampage against them

[dusty nacelle]

Assuming dodge limit max is likeee 65%?

[golden axle]

they do

[golden axle]

51% on the nose.

[halcyon zephyr]

agri brauto is best brauto

[dusty ferry]

Wait this weapon exists

[plain heart]

I like the Speedload tho

[urban steppe]

eh ?

[dusty nacelle]

Thanks brunt! I'll make sure to put this in a sandbox somewhere

[timber phoenix]

why are u going for graia over agri

[golden axle]

lmao, heres the toy version.

[dusty ferry]

Okay, so if we consider that, I don’t really know what is a better option for the other blessing

I didn’t run the gun enough

[urban steppe]

i dunno , never played with autoguns so idk what is best

[wooden oar]

What's people's opinion on unarmored and sunder on a powersword? Randomly crafted this one. I have a better one just curious if it's useable.

[urban steppe]

my favorite guns : bolter . plasma , lasgun

[dusty ferry]

I think it works well

[golden axle]

Those 2 blessing arent really necessary, Power Cycler is MANDATORY and slaughterer is just, the best you can do really.

[wanton dawn]

Look at my video history for sunder showcase

[halcyon zephyr]

Can you upgrade deathspitter to a higher tier or swap in frenzy fire for offense, or hit & run for defense?

[golden axle]

You take flak for cleave breakpoints and maniac because duh maniacs.

[wanton dawn]

In short i think sunder is reaaal good

[halcyon zephyr]

The slaughterer nerf actually helped me

[wooden oar]

Good thing I use this one.

[golden axle]

thats my boy

[plain heart]

I currently only have Firefrenzy II surrendered, I'd have to check my inventory see if I have a higher tier of it for Brautos

[halcyon zephyr]

das a good sword

[dull osprey]

Any difference between all the power swords other than attack pattern?

[halcyon zephyr]

nope

[urban steppe]

show me a best agri and ill try to get it

[halcyon zephyr]

one sec

[kind scarab]

MK3 activates faster, according to some people

[halcyon zephyr]

best I can do. If this was pre-patch? oooh baby\

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 has better blocks, blocks cancel charge animation. Ps3 has 1 less frame to activate and it slows you lesz

[dusty ferry]

This is my funny for MK6

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 has better light and push attack

I know right ?

[daring badger]

I moved to sunder today and it's good

[tender rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggcSlbYWTn4 good technical explination of the mk 6

[halcyon zephyr]

This is my funni power sword.

[urban steppe]

so between autoguns that agri is a good one right ?

[dusty ferry]

aaaa you have BM damn

[wanton dawn]

Sunder absolutely shines against flak rager

[dusty ferry]

I would love for mine to have rending blessing or BM but I think damage is.. not bad

[wanton dawn]

Cuz ps cannot hit 3 scab rager without sunder

[plain heart]

if Agripinaa Brauto blessing can be put onto Columnus Brauto, then I do have Fire Frenzy IV I can procure

[halcyon zephyr]

the last two words in a weapon name determine its type as far as blessings, so braced autogun should be a go

[gleaming turtle]

Thing I noticed. I cannot one tap Dreg Gunners with my Plasma Gun, but I can Scab Gunners on a quick shot. Any ideas how I could solve this?

[plain heart]

you'd think that but that is not how Force Staves work on Psyker, they dont share blessings

[wanton dawn]

It saved my beacon twice today on hab dreyko on rager spam

[plain heart]

So I am suspicious of everything now

[halcyon zephyr]

dunno shit about witch sticks, just dakka

[plain heart]

Ok I can now put this on top of Deathspitter T1, now I just change Sprint Efficiency to Flak I guess?

[halcyon zephyr]

That is a very nice testing sword you've got there

[halcyon zephyr]

That's the best I can do for ye

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i think slaughterer is actually on the weak side for ps right now

[frank basin]

@wanton dawn you have any knowledge about psykers? the psyker chat ignoring my question.

[halcyon zephyr]

yeah they massacared my boy

[wanton dawn]

Not really 🤷

[frank basin]

fuck

[halcyon zephyr]

Slaughterer + PC is what's on my main sword and I really like it.

[plain heart]

ye, thanks, I've only really used Columnus and Graia Brautos, but I'll maybe start Consecrating my profane Agri Brautos now, if they are somehow better than either of the other ones

[halcyon zephyr]

high stability is the base stat I'd aim for.
also, I never brace, so there's that.

[junior needle]

Agri brauto is generally considered the best by a large margin

[dusty ferry]

Hipe fire > brace

[halcyon zephyr]

If I could change my mouse profile to swap alt fire with ADS when I have brauto equipped, I'd do it in a heartbeat

[wanton dawn]

Agri main advantage over other variant is not in its dps

[plain heart]

Whats the big diff?

[cold shuttle]

One Q: is survivalist disabled on ‘no ammo pickup’ missions?

[golden axle]

i dont believe so

[wanton dawn]

Target pen, hip fire

[midnight mortar]

No.

[cold shuttle]

Just played my first with a vet on team. He said it must be bugged

[midnight mortar]

Auras are not ammo pickups.

[cold shuttle]

Anyone heard of it being bugged?

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto actually never use braced mode

[plain heart]

Agri shots go through more targets?

[frank basin]

assail + range damage talent

[cold shuttle]

Or did he just didnt want to admit misspec

Yeah but it must make it trivial. No?

[wanton dawn]

It penetrates horde, which is great in game to reach target

[plain heart]

I brace my Columnus quite a bit when I am shooting at an encroaching horde

[golden axle]

well thats what the brace is for

[midnight mortar]

The aura isn't bugged.

I know that the penance for the aura is bugged though.

[golden axle]

well yeah penances are fucked up rn

[halcyon zephyr]

brace reduces mobility and takes time to pull out. Doesn't help aghainst distant targets. The gun is excellent in hipfire mode

[plain heart]

High enough stability for ya?

[cold shuttle]

Yeah he prolly didnt spec it then. Yeah we had one psyker who had to do all specials 90% of the mission rofl. Only i managed to conserve ammo to help. But thanks a lot. Doesnt matter in the end, we won and it was fun

[halcyon zephyr]

that'll do. Its the minimum I'd recommend if you can be picky

[frank basin]

yes

[plain heart]

Well, I can run my Columnus Brauto in the meantime, Its been serving me well even without the perk/blessing changes

[plain heart]

Can I be picky with this kind of Hadron tho?

[halcyon zephyr]

not bad.

[plain heart]

not a god roll but decent stuff all around

I can give it a whirl and see if it feels better than the columnus

[halcyon zephyr]

swap weakspot with flak and it'll be best I can do

[gritty dock]

What are the best Blessings for Cadia Mk IV Assault Chainsword in your opinion?

[plain heart]

what, not adding the FireFrenzy IV to it that I just got a hold of?

[agile finch]

are shredder frags bad

like should i go out of my way to grab kraks even if it costs more talent points since im going down left side

[wanton dawn]

No

[tranquil moth]

The psyker tree looks so much more crazy then the vet.

[plain heart]

I sometimes wish I had Shredders instead of Kraks, and the other way around

[golden axle]

Savage Sweep or Wrath and Bloodletter or Rampage - it depends on what purpose its serving in your build. I like Bloodletter personally specifically for monstrosity DPS.

[frank basin]

Thanks you helping me

[agile finch]

well i usually play anti shooter/elite with my headhunter rather than horde trimmer so i guess shredders are probably more useful anyhow

gives a ranged anti horde button

[halcyon zephyr]

that too! Kinda a tossup, depends if you want toswap unyielding off or not. I'd try it as it is with flak and see if you have any trouble with dregs

[golden axle]

another point for bloodletter is it helps you hit a breakpoint for mutant sawing if your shredder stat roll was too low.

[wanton dawn]

Kraks is for boss specifically

For the rest frags is same or better

[junior needle]

Mostly the same as every other line, damage, fire rate, dps, ammo. Some guns are simply better equipped stat wise. The agri brauto importantly has stopping power instead of the comparatively useless collateral stat.

[agile finch]

is there any outstanding flaws to this talent tree? i dont take keystone on volley fire in their current state

[junior needle]

Should specify your loadout

[agile finch]

headhunter autogun

[junior needle]

Which one

[agile finch]

the semi auto one

cant remember the mk

[junior needle]

vraks 7

[agile finch]

ye

[junior needle]

Rending strikes might serve you better some of the choices there, and also push you over some one shot breakpoints if you're close to any

[lost dawn]

regen nades is also pretty good if you have the points for it

[agile finch]

i just feel so starved of points

[golden axle]

Thats the veteran talent tree in a nutshell

[plain heart]

Dont we all

[golden axle]

too many point sacrifices for too necessary traits

[agile finch]

exactly

hopefully the vet tree rework Soon™️ will be helpful

[golden axle]

Also IIRC there is more passive stat nodes in the vet tree than there are others.

[fallen geyser]

cavalcade any good?

[golden axle]

on what

[fallen geyser]

boltgun

[wanton dawn]

Imo i feel fine point wise

[agile finch]

its irritating near the bottom where you need two stat nodes to get to the next perk

[wanton dawn]

Though i wished i could grab some "unecessary" stuff sometimes

[plain heart]

i wish I could go deeper to the left for the +25% ammo more often

[sterile garnet]

yeah, crit is good on bolter now. cavalcade is better if you spray and pray. surgical is better if you ADS

i think ADS (aim down sights) is better than spraying and praying on bolter

this is what i run, with alot of success

[junior needle]

If you're abusing voice of command and infiltrate properly then maybe, as well as some busted weapons.

[mystic matrix]

apparently volley fire doesn't show weakness points anymore?
i cant do my penance

is it a common bug?

[junior needle]

weakness points?

[sterile garnet]

i didnt say it was bad

it's good

i just think in general ADS is better

[agile finch]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-gif-21821822

health bar shredder 9000

[terse idol]

das

pretty gooooooooood

[mystic matrix]

yes

weak points

[junior needle]

They always highlighted the whole target and not weakspots specifically as far as I remember

[wanton dawn]

Keep in mind that in practice this would be less powerful.

First and foremost cuz no one want to shoot plogryn

It drains ammo on a not so dangerous target

[serene sage]

Maintaining 5 stacks of PF is also easier said than done vs Monstros

[wanton dawn]

Kraks and melee is often the preferred way to go

Add shout for good measure

[fallen geyser]

still not bothering with deadshot?

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot is fine rn

Well, build constraining but fine

[sterile garnet]

deadshot is nice on bolter

[gritty dock]

Thank you very much for your answer.

[fallen geyser]

anyone reccomend any mods?

[orchid hollow]

tier 4 blazeaway worth it?

[velvet wraith]

bought it but I don't run toughness

[golden axle]

my pleasure

[iron marten]

T4 Blaze Away doesn’t exist

[orchid hollow]

oh

anything i should change then

[gritty dock]

@golden axle would you change anything about this sword or would someone change something?

[dusk jacinth]

you cant reroll curios can you

like vermentide

[iron marten]

Your blessings are perfect, but if you don’t run confirmed kill on your talents, glory hunter is also not a bad choice

[orchid hollow]

ty

gonna try plasma gun now

[iron marten]

Perks I do Unyielding and Unarmoured, though a lot more people would recommend Unyielding and Maniac

[velvet wraith]

superiority complex can help with breakpoints and comp urge > born leader

[golden axle]

Blessings are perfect at T4, change perk unarmored to Maniac and go test sawing a mutant in the psykanium. I would want to make sure youre still 1 tap sawing mutants with that shredder roll at 58%. It SHOULD put them on deaths door and they die to the bloodletter tic a second later but still. Id go make sure.

[halcyon zephyr]

it also helps me be better than everyone else

[delicate estuary]

so uh

RNG blessed me

what do I Fix on this

💀

[sterile garnet]

unyielding to flak

[golden axle]

probably unyielding to flak

[cedar knoll]

can these fuckers fix the resupply penance omfg

[hollow turtle]

Perspectives mod
Also pairs nicely with LookAround mod for freelooking around your character.

[pine plume]

No. Anyway, have some more skins

[sterile garnet]

and scattershot to no respite

[golden axle]

also havent tried the new lawbringer yet, it any good? Still stuck on the Kantrael.

[delicate estuary]

I got 2 rolls so should I roll both maniac and unyielding to 25% maniac and 25% to flak ?

[delicate estuary]

I see

[orchid hollow]

😔

[shell ginkgo]

😔

[orchid hollow]

everything is done except it (and mud 4)

[sterile garnet]

i think you get it, but jsut in case: put unyielding to flak, and put scattershot to no respite

[delicate estuary]

ye I got it

[forest blaze]

Unyielding plas is the weakened monstrosity slayer

[iron marten]

It’s very nice to run, though I usually have boss killer zealots during those maelstrom conditions

Bless those zealots though

[forest blaze]

Bless those zealots

I had some bad maelstrom runs back to back this morning. Everyone kept getting downed before the stairs. Double weakened monstros suck but they suck less with plasma

[shadow dagger]

I think I know why I hate infiltrate vets so much now

none of them can afford to run survivalist

that's honestly the main thing weirdly enough

[forest blaze]

I take survivalist on my infil build

I find that the ammo aura helps enough so other people have enough ammo so I can eat it all

[tall canopy]

Ammo aura is the best

[shadow dagger]

in quickplay? where no one has a ranged weapon for shooters and my dumb ass has to pepper them with shredder?

[tall canopy]

But unfortunately you have to lose it to make some builds function better

[tall canopy]

Fire team and the speed one (hahah oh wow) need to offer more to be more interesting or viable

[wanton dawn]

I have updated my talent list, feel free to tell me how wrong i am

[tall canopy]

Perhaps rending bonus for fire team? And close and kill faster speed and less stamina cost on sprinting?

[south garnet]

aside from power cycler, what's the "must have" PS blessings?

[tall canopy]

Slaughterer

Rampage is solid too

[cloud leaf]

chainsword is better than power sword

[south garnet]

thanks guys

[halcyon zephyr]

bruh seriously pass that kush

you're hogging all that good shit

I wanna see your chainsword themed bong

[tall canopy]

PS is nuts if you're tanky enough to get past the shit blocking and dodging

[plain heart]

Initial expressions from Agri Brauto: I liked Columnus more just because it had more Ammo :P

[cloud leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-commissar-chainsword-gif-19397214

[tall canopy]

This is solid info, I wasn't aware of it.

[wanton dawn]

Chainsword could have been argue to be better than PS last patch. Now PS has definitely a higher ceiling

[halcyon zephyr]

depends on if you're shooting into hordes or not. agri into hordes only if there's priority targets behind them

[cloud leaf]

wrong

chainsword is number one

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, I am going back to my cave

[tall canopy]

Chainsword is an excellent swiss army weapon with good mobility, good damage, good self defence and good single target

But it can't go quite as nutty as other options

[halcyon zephyr]

chainsword is great for creating arguments in vet chat

[cloud leaf]

wrong wrong wrong

[junior needle]

Should include an addendum that you need some other things to reach that

[midnight mortar]

In regards to horde clear, compared to the psword it is very much slower.

[cloud leaf]

thats cuz ur doing heavies instead of lights

ur wrong

[halcyon zephyr]

pass the blunt

[cloud leaf]

wrong

[halcyon zephyr]

post your evidence or pass the blunt

[cloud leaf]

auric maelstrom only

[halcyon zephyr]

man's out here committing sedition

[forest blaze]

My only actual complaint about PS is that I haven’t been able to get PC4 😦

[wanton dawn]

For sunder display: #veteran-class message

[forest blaze]

Caxe 2?

[cloud leaf]

proof

[halcyon zephyr]

the only thing that drags the chainsword down is that it's not a chainaxe

[wanton dawn]

You realize that you are mostly showcasting ranged dmg here ?

[cloud leaf]

still a lot of melee dmg chainsword is the best

[halcyon zephyr]

the scoreboard mod even knows what that weapon is

it's ass

[cloud leaf]

i got that cadia MK IV ASS

[plain heart]

I like shooting hordes like: alot

[wanton dawn]

2s, i am grabbing one of my melee scoreboard

[halcyon zephyr]

hides my ammo packs

[plain heart]

also the mag size as well

[halcyon zephyr]

damn auric malestorm drops such shit gifts? unfortunate

[halcyon zephyr]

yeah if you're not shooting into hordes, the mag size is less of a problem. If you want to shoot into hordes colombus is probably better at that.

[cloud leaf]

the emperor loves me

[plain heart]

Columbus

But lemme tell you

the +Unyielding on Agri

That Plague Ogryn never even knew what hit it

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/koth-king-of-the-hill-hank-hank-hill-tell-you-what-gif-22194602

[halcyon zephyr]

you still won't tell us what strain you're smoking and it's quite heretical.
The codex astartis specifies that a blunt must be passed to the left once lit

[wanton dawn]

Here ya go, feel like this one is fine

[forest blaze]

I like the Antax Caxe. What perks/blessings are we going for?

[wanton dawn]

Normally it is the latest update of scoreboard

I know it cuz I am the one who made it

[cloud leaf]

that just proves how much better i am than everyone cuz i out perform power sword with weak weapon ez clap ur all ass

[wanton dawn]

Look at this famous boy

enhanced defense, damage and some custom adjustement of teammates loadout

It is a pain to distribute though cuz it is technically not my code

Yeah... I made it mono-line for my usage

[slow spade]

nice job c:

[tardy raft]

Shovel is best 😎

[golden axle]

quite

[wanton dawn]

Apparently if you @ me enough I will contact the mod owner to integrate my crap. I am just too lazy to bother myself

[untold mulch]

tf

[tardy raft]

I also love the Atrox MK VII Axe because I can just 1v1 crushers and maulers

lovely fasty swings

[untold mulch]

I hope anniversary gets an update

[golden axle]

itll be our pearl clutching hats

[untold mulch]

I can't vibe with the autoguns, and the Kantrael MG doesn't feel good to me

😔

[golden axle]

Have you tried our lord and savior, Laspistol?

[untold mulch]

I haven't but man, using a pistol as primary sounds weird

[golden axle]

Its something else

Give it a try, for real.

[tardy raft]

I still have yet to also try a laspistol

[untold mulch]

I had one, but it was so shitty rolled I sold it

[golden axle]

If you can hit weakspots consistently its a monster.

[tardy raft]

Oh that I can do lmao

how good is the ads though?

I mean reticle

[golden axle]

Somewhere in the middleground between an ironsight and kantrael 12

it doesnt zoom but it has a nice reflex that doesnt take up a lot of screen realestate and is transparent

[tardy raft]

Sick

[untold mulch]

Hmm, I can use weapon customization mod to make the laspistol look more like a carbine

brb

Also barrels, stocks

[tardy raft]

Some of the autoguns iron sights I can barely even see my targets visibly when I'm aiming at the head level

[untold mulch]

All my brautos have drum mags

Fatshark doesn't give me LMG so I made mine

[golden axle]

But like. Roll dumdum or infernus with Ghost t3/t4 and just walk into hordes cowboying everything with laspistols nutty weakspot multiplier while noclipping through bullets. Havent had more fun on a Vet in a long time.

[tawny pawn]

is there a definite best when it comes to the different shotguns? I'm not even sure what is different about them

[golden axle]

the special action is mainly the difference

[tardy raft]

We love burn stacks!

[golden axle]

you got incendiary round, slug, horizontal spread shell

[vast prawn]

goddamn krieg pack cost a liver

but a liver is a fair price

to pay

[golden axle]

its not even that good anyway, no cloth physics, incorrect helmet and trenchcoat implementation its blagh

steel legion ftw

[vast prawn]

steel legion also seems fly

[cloud leaf]

DO THIS again with a perfect chainsword with rampage and wrath 4 and only use light attacks i promise u it is the fastest i tested it and know for sure its the best

bromentum is ass after nerf

[untold mulch]

Just used the laspistol in the psykanium for a secon

wtf

[golden axle]

right?

[tardy raft]

peeeeeeeeeew

[cloud leaf]

yea u hit a head and it chops other head but u have to hit head with the attack parrterns on axe is donesnt hit head often

[golden axle]

shits wild

[cloud leaf]

which one i only use antax 5

[untold mulch]

what the fuckkkkkkk

I need to rebuild for crit

6 TIMES MORE DAMAGE PER CRIT WTF

[golden axle]

its that weakspot/crit multiplier with the insanely calm stability like man, it feels hella good.

[worthy pebble]

what do I do with this beastly las pistol? Got one reroll left

[golden axle]

change reassuringly to ghost and youre golden

[cloud leaf]

DUM DUM

YOU NEED DUM DUM!!!!

[golden axle]

ghost, for sure.

[cloud leaf]

ghost is useless

[golden axle]

Dumdum is overrated for higher tier content

[cloud leaf]

wrong

why would u need ghost when u have constant +100 toughness overheal

and confirmed kill keeping u alive whole tiem

[golden axle]

dumdum/infernus combo is old tech. Its certainly useful but your survivability consistency shoots way down.

having used both, I HIGHLY prefer ghost.

[cloud leaf]

ok id dint know the stamina part that sounds good

[worthy pebble]

Thanks guys

[tardy raft]

So that's the tech I've been seeing some Zealots using

[kind scarab]

If there's one thing I've learned, it's to ignore Nexts opinions since they're based on his own limited experience and backed by nothing other than "I'm right yall wrong" mentality

[golden axle]

Like. No one here is ever under-stating how powerful VoC is right now. but VoC WILL NOT let you walk into six gunners targetting you while you gun them down like Ghost will. No amount of dumdum stacks on a gun with 120ish dmg is going to really do much.

[cloud leaf]

yeah cuz im usually right and i always win and carry every game

[midnight mortar]

Oh wait are they being serious? I thought they were a troll last I checked.

[kind scarab]

Yeah

I thought they were a troll too at first

[grizzled pebble]

Beast mode man.

[cloud leaf]

im not a fucking troll u fuckers the testing ground psykarnium is not real its all fake its bugged it doesnt count towards the real game u need real proof

[kind scarab]

See what i mean?

[golden axle]

what does the difference in optimization for dumdum VS. ghost mean to the psykanium?

[kind scarab]

That's literally his entire spiel

[golden axle]

are you high?

[tardy raft]

So is practicing how to fight bosses all worthless 😞

[cloud leaf]

i guess ur right i am an ogryn main after all

[hollow solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-asyjdauu-gif-16491934308297234021

[untold mulch]

oh dear lord

WHY
THE FUCK
MODDERS
ARE
JUST
BETTER

[kind scarab]

Do it, before I get too tired of the trolls and do it myself

[untold mulch]

Did game dev have a magical mix that onyl works when you are working on a fucking garage

[cloud leaf]

yeah wheres the veternomicon

[untold mulch]

so when they turn corpo its lost

[spiral needle]

I guarantee you, the day we have 80/80/80/80/80 weapons people will whine that there's nothing in the game to do

[untold mulch]

You mean the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer

[spiral needle]

"GIVE US SOMETHING TO FARM"

[dusty nacelle]

is this worth buying for the rampage?

from melk's

[untold mulch]

They ALREADY are doign that

[spiral needle]

Yeah and they still want perfect weapons

[kind scarab]

I'm still tempted to make a bunch of YouTube guides, just so I don't have to keep regurgitating the same info for unhinged mofos complaining about me being wrong cause it hurt their feelings

[spiral needle]

so they can whine some more

[kind scarab]

[cunning wing]

got my Power Cycler on attempt 6

Which blessing should i change it for?

[cloud leaf]

that was me

im always right

[dusty nacelle]

So is this worth buying to just learn rampage?

[stark hollow]

is surgical or crucian roulette better on revolver

to pair with handcannon

[kind scarab]

Surgical

[cloud leaf]

speedload

[kind scarab]

If you plan on timing your shots

[golden axle]

Is rampage still bugged?

[untold mulch]

I think so

[cunning wing]

bugged how?

[stark hollow]

just bought this off melk cause it looked too good to pass up

[untold mulch]

Gonna try laspistol crit build

If its as silly as it looks, Imma bitch some more about the Recon nerf

[stark hollow]

penetration is a little low but itll work

[dusty nacelle]

I'm just going to assume yes

[golden axle]

prior to the hotfix (idk if it was covered or shadow fixed) rampage was providing WAY more dmg than it was supposed to.

[cloud leaf]

i was right the whole time. youre welcome

[cunning wing]

Oh

[untold mulch]

Looks like is giving damage and power

[golden axle]

Man FS breaks shit in the funniest way

[swift ingot]

Right?

[stark hollow]

anyone got advice on which perks to change on the revolver i got

[cloud leaf]

definitely not the worst 3 weapon for vet now though right ;)

[golden axle]

is that one devilclaw still missing from brunts armory?

[stark hollow]

never built a revolver before

[grizzled pebble]

I like flak maniac surgical handcannon on revolver.

[golden axle]

maniac/cara or flak with surgical and hand-cannon

[stark hollow]

should i keep specialists and replace reload speed

with maniac

[golden axle]

maniac is the most important one

[tardy raft]

I'm having trouble getting the Resupply Allies penance because I've been using scavenger and it has never been giving me numbers in the penance at all

so at this point I'm feeling like it's bugged

[kind scarab]

It's bugged

[balmy terrace]

Pretty sure it is bugged yeah

[golden axle]

id give up on most penances rn

[tardy raft]

Ah darn

[golden axle]

theyre all so bugged

[kind scarab]

You can't do it until they fix it next update maybe

[balmy terrace]

Probably still attatched to vet's old aura that couldn't be swapped honestly

[tardy raft]

I want the cool goggles

[slow spade]

next week UwU

[kind scarab]

If only

[golden axle]

buy some aquila cosmetics instead

[kind scarab]

Azreal, what's the name of that mod BTW, so I can do my breakpoint testing

[golden axle]

/s

[kind scarab]

For more objective facts and not peoples random whining

[tardy raft]

Very tempting but I must save for the weapons

[kind scarab]

Danke

I'll be sure to test things out tomorrow potentially after more sleep

[cloud leaf]

i told u so

[velvet wraith]

for curios do you guys run 1 tough 1 health 1 wound

or 2 health 1 wound

[cloud leaf]

nah its still easily #3 best weapon but i still argue #1 for real world use

[kind scarab]

6/9 weapons, and that's just cause chainaxe and tac axe still kinda painful

[golden axle]

I do health stam wound typically tho there is some good arguements for literally x3 toughness for vet at the moment

[tardy raft]

I run 2 Healths and 1 Wound

and then put a bit of toughness in the perk slots

[cloud leaf]

solo boss with grande and gun

[tardy raft]

also I think it entirely depends on your playstyle

[golden axle]

and the content you plan on doing

[velvet wraith]

I run bolt / PS VI, I run exe stance but do not go left tree. I go down center and right

[late hatch]

+3 stam, 2x toughness. 40-60% sniper res. stam regen. ability cdr or more toughness

[golden axle]

auric stuff has more valued emphasis on a bit of extra stamina for revives

[velvet wraith]

I am noticing Chaff is getting through my toughness and chipping my Hp away so I am thinking about running a 20% tough (15/5)

[astral blade]

personal opinion this is but it be awesome if infiltrate didn't break vet stealth when reviving teammates

[late hatch]

probably need to dodge and push more

[golden axle]

people definitely dont push enough

[dull osprey]

I feel like CDR doesnt help too much as the max you get is what, 15%?

[velvet wraith]

not the issue, it's stragglers from waves that are showing up behind me

I main zealot, zero issues with movement

[tardy raft]

Backstab

[golden axle]

not saying you dont push enough, just observation on randoms in general, people do not push enough fr fr

must not have played a lot of VT to not have that habit ingrained

[tardy raft]

Pushing is so good for ad control honestly

[late hatch]

try not to be the rear guard if you keep getting shanked in the butt

[shell widget]

Ogryn maining has given me a bad habit of just charging a heavy attack and just tanking all the damage through sheer toughness replenishment

[velvet wraith]

I am going to refine my +10% Ordo on my current curious (2 health/1 wound) into +5% toughness (totaling 15%) and see if that helps

thx'

[late hatch]

extra flat stats isnt tha worst choice. are you taking toughness stuff in your tree too?

[astral blade]

Soooo does anyone else think of vets infiltrate ability would be even better if reviving teammates didn’t break stealth?

[velvet wraith]

only getting 30 toughness from tree sadly

This build is very talent point hungry but it allows me to be viable with bolt and PS VI seamlessly

[golden axle]

I dont think that would be an unreasonable request, vet stealth tree is already very high risk for middleish reward.

[late hatch]

its not a huge amount but it can really add up if you use your ult all the time with a lowish cd like shout, a couple seconds shaved off could be the diff between getting it back in time or not

[golden axle]

those horses will pay

[untold mulch]

Just wiped but

LASPISTOL CRIT IS RIDICULOUS

WTF

[golden axle]

Welcome to the laspistol club 🫂

[untold mulch]

Is literally a better recon with FullAuto mod

[golden axle]

yessir

[untold mulch]

Fatshark is stupid at balancing

[late hatch]

only problem with the laspistol is it shoots so fast you sometimes accidentally double tap people who are dead from the first headshot lol

[golden axle]

their design philosphy is typically stop using X and start using Y and we'll get around to redesigning Z in a year.

[golden axle]

thank god its so ammo effiicent then 😛

[plain heart]

ok lets see if melee powersword build works

[golden axle]

are you using 3 or 6

[plain heart]

mk6 rn

[golden axle]

atta'boy

[late hatch]

mk6 is broken with its block anim cancel on charge

[plain heart]

I always forget to do that

but I do cancel it to other stuff :P

[golden axle]

the push attack into L4 for crushers is fuckin' addicting

[late hatch]

the push attack is a great headshot for crushers too

[golden axle]

m6 push attack into L4 takes a second to do and they fall over

yeah just click once after your push attack and it chains into the last of the light string which is that strikedown

yup those blessings with maniac/flak

[untold mulch]

Added shocktrooper

I just can magdump

stamina per crit is a good choice?

[formal relic]

Anyone have thoughts on what to do with this? I was considering swapping infernus for deadly accurate

[golden axle]

I dont have carapace on my roll (prefer maniac/flak) and it still 1 taps crushers on dam.

lemme go grab a screen of mine 1 sec

[untold mulch]

Damn, I need to get ways to regen stamina faster

[golden axle]

stam curio

[untold mulch]

Yeah, gonna excahnge my +1 wound for that

I no longer depend on 3 wounds as much

[golden axle]

you try with a slaughterer stack or two?

that may get it there

[grand sable]

suggestions for this dinger

[untold mulch]

I am stacking all the crit

[golden axle]

crit chance instead of reload speed and dumdum into infernus but if you want to keep dumdum you can switch weakspot dmg into maniac

[grand sable]

cool

[balmy terrace]

Stam recovery was literally the best stat to increase above anything else in verm, and I carried that into DT. I have no idea if it's even half as useful here, but it feels right

[golden axle]

heres that optimal shit

[fleet garden]

vet rework when 🫠

[golden axle]

80% stability is sheeeeeeesh

[gusty sonnet]

I'd say get flaniak. Ghost is good utility

And dumdum is dumdum

[wanton dawn]

Hey, I managed to do a 3 man no ammo maelstrom ! Everything is possible if you try hard enough

[late hatch]

powderburn is pretty nice imo. ghost and dumdum are also quite nice. CR and or maniac damage.

[golden axle]

if you have ragers/mutants covered in your ranged option then yeah cara will do the job

[fleet garden]

so mkVI is the shit now?

[golden axle]

and when you say 2 tap, you mean the push -> l4 combo yes?

because just that string should take care of it

weakspot talent is very sweet now yeah

[late hatch]

pretty much the same as mine but i run crit instead of flak

[balmy terrace]

It's become a favourite here, but it isn't an instant win button like the old powersword.

In every situation besides a clutch, I'd rather have a mk6 over any other melee right now. But in a clutch, I wish I was using a chain or devil claw sword instead lol

[cloud leaf]

is this a good power sword cuz it feels like ass

[golden axle]

swap sunder for slaughterer

[hearty panther]

He can't lol

[golden axle]

oh woops

[cloud leaf]

too late for that

[fleet garden]

got a decent chainsword but which catachan is the good one?

[golden axle]

didnt see the locks

[hearty panther]

And yeah Sunder is functionally pointless.

[sleek cairn]

anybody use agri shotgun?

[cloud leaf]

k i figured sunder was useless

[hearty panther]

Fun fact you can cleave four Plague Ogryns with Sunder.

Now you just gotta get them to line up 🙂

[late hatch]

mk4 is the best imo

[wanton dawn]

Eh eh eh

[feral stratus]

Any changes for this Dclaw?

[wanton dawn]

Look likes some ppl missed the day debate on sunder

[hearty panther]

I remember Arco's testing.

[balmy terrace]

Flak/maniac or unarmoured, that's a nice sword otherwise

[daring peak]

am i crazy or is this a nearly perfect heavy laspistol

[wanton dawn]

I any case, sunder trivialize mauler, flak rager, and bulwark

Without sunder you sword cannot go through 2 flak rager or mauler

[cloud leaf]

so sunder actually BIS???

[hearty panther]

It's a question of trade-offs though. Sunder is going to be replacing Rampage/Slaughterer/Power Cycler/BM

and no, you're not gonna do that

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is easy: rampage cannot proc on either flak rager, mauler, bulwark, crusher

Slaughterer is quite weak rn

[hearty panther]

It does now since it's broken ;D

[wanton dawn]

Then you have BM

[hearty panther]

But that's beside the point lol

[wanton dawn]

It does not I tested it

[kind scarab]

Sunder would be BIS if power cycler was just the baseline activations for PS

[slow spade]

we need pre-nerf Slaughterer UwU

[wanton dawn]

That is the whole reason why I tested sunder

[hearty panther]

I mean the flat damage portion

[fathom edge]

which blessing do i take off this?

[golden axle]

dmg stat for laspistol beyond 60% is a 1 or 2 point difference. Stability honestly is the shit I want at 80 real bad.

[wanton dawn]

The PS CANNOT activate rampage on flak rager or mauler cuz it cannot go through 3 target

You need trash on the way as well

Fun fact; it can on dreg rager

[daring peak]

interesting, noted

i'll save my melkbux then

[golden axle]

stat rolls on laspistol are thankfully quite forgiving since the main draw of the gun is the crazy multiplier on weakspot/crits. So as long as your rolls arent dookie on dmg/stopping you should be all set

[cloud leaf]

so what do i replace wrath with slaughter or rampager or sunder???

[balmy terrace]

That is a rather nice base for a laspistol though

[balmy terrace]

That thing is literally perfect, you could even test each yourself

[golden axle]

No doubt, you could do much worse.

[golden axle]

Personally I like slaughterer but thats just a consistency thing for me.

[balmy terrace]

I would also lean on Slaughter though if I had to make a permanent choice. Rampage probably won't stay bugged forever, and Slaughter is easier to proc when you absolutely need it

[cloud leaf]

slaughterer it is

[velvet wraith]

I found the rarer 17%er

hadron bricked it

[golden axle]

the work is complete

might be alright if your transcendant roll is good

since youll ofc just swap those two out

but thats an expensive gamble

[velvet wraith]

I got +10% block eff on transcen roll

useable for sure

max block eff is what? 12%?

[golden axle]

yes 12

[velvet wraith]

oh yeah definetly useable then

[frank basin]

i found duck and dive + stripped down work crazy

[daring peak]

so should i buy that one?

[golden axle]

if you got melk bulks to spare sure, thatll be a fine entry into trying laspistol. You just may eventually want higher stability if you feel the recoil is making you miss weakpoints.

[wanton dawn]

did the test with a standard melee build

[whole moon]

Did they fix Rampage on the Powersword? Also did they make the demonhost quieter? I've triggered it every game I've played today, sometimes twice 😦

#skillissue

[golden axle]

are you sure its not the late spawn issue on DH?

[whole moon]

No, but most times it's been the first half of map

[halcyon zephyr]

sorry, kal, it's skill issue

or sound issue

[daring peak]

i have like 6k melkbux and have this laspistol already

[golden axle]

that is a low rating, dont use that

[gray belfry]

i got a 17% on vet and ogryn, and a 21% health. im just sitting here huffing copium that ill get a +2 wounds one at some stage

[balmy terrace]

That'd actually be quite nice if the stopping power weren't so low

[golden axle]

i dont think +2 wounds is a thing curios can have

unless you mean like, its something FS will add.

[tall canopy]

We wont get +2 wounds per curio

[gray belfry]

its possible, you just need i think base rating of 80 ont he damn thing. least the build calculator has it being a potential

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum

[gray belfry]

oh fr im a moron and misread it lmao

[junior needle]

It's definitely more than that, especially on a crit/weakspot hit

[tall canopy]

I mean it would make the blessing more valuable

Currently wounds are shit

Unless you're a Martyr Zealot

[gray belfry]

yeah im a moron, ignore me

[golden axle]

psshhaww, no worries. The information on this games mathematics/rolls/drops is all over the place.

[gray belfry]

lmao

i try run wound/toughness/health curios

[daring peak]

what about this one

[gray belfry]

having a single down before i die fr is spooky

[daring peak]

i don't think im gonna spend melkbux on a las pistol rn

i mostly run pas

plas

[tall canopy]

For Vet and Psyker I run 2 Tough, 1 HP

For Zealot, 2 HP, 1 Tough

And for Ogryn 3 HP

[golden axle]

on higher tier content, going down once is usually a GG anyhow sooooo

[tall canopy]

Though I might just go more into toughness for Ogryn with FNP

[gray belfry]

true. its just a safety net ive found helps me more than not having it

[tall canopy]

Gets a lot of mileage from it

[plain heart]

no martyrdom zealot?

[tall canopy]

Yeah, I need to get some decent wound curios

I don't play Zealot much

[gray belfry]

corruption resist do anything, or safe to take off?

[tall canopy]

Corruption resist really is ass

[gray belfry]

'so far i run that and toughness regen speed'

[golden axle]

not really optimal at all

[tall canopy]

Just too niche and doesn't do enough

[plain heart]

I've been thinking that myself but 3x HP curios is fun with FNP ogryn still :P

[gray belfry]

aight ill swap em for stamina regen then

[tall canopy]

Regardless he's super unkillable

[golden axle]

you want stuff like sniper resist/gunner resist or just bog standard +hp +toughness

[tall canopy]

I love how a year ago Ogryn was rinsed by gun lines

Now he can feed toughness with a heavy attack whilst FNP just nukes any incoming ranged damage

[golden axle]

or stam regen

thats good too

[tall canopy]

Man can stroll through 20 gunners and not give a shit as long as he can bonk something on his way towards them

I think after awhile you can move away from Sniper resist

Gunner resist is still super handy though

[gray belfry]

you say that but i ran a mission earlier and had 2 seconds of uninterupted gunfire on me forma gunner absolutely shred me to 1 wound

[tall canopy]

Yeah gotta make sure you got a supreme TDR build with the ability to feed toughness whilst getting shot

[plain heart]

do you run the talent that gives you one stack of FNP back on push?

[golden axle]

the director is also spamming gunners excessively this patch, wonder if thatll get adjusted lol

[tall canopy]

Absolutely

[plain heart]

I kind of forget that it exists even when I run it

[tall canopy]

It's easy to for stacks to snowball down to 0

[plain heart]

it sure is

[tall canopy]

And getting it back to 10 is so damn important

[plain heart]

although for me

[tall canopy]

FNP is the best keystone

[plain heart]

0 stacks is usually the case of "everyone else on the team is dead already"

[golden axle]

its too strong imo, it makes it the only choice which hurts build diversity

[tall canopy]

The knocking of dogs thing is nice but

it takes so long to proc that you lose a shit ton of HP from experience

Yeah

FNP is easily the best, but Lucky bullet and Heavy keystones need to offer more imo

Ogryn just gets little value from crits save for Charmed reload

[plain heart]

Gunlugger still wants Lucky Bullet, and the heavy DPS ogryn on the leftside is still really stupid at times

[tall canopy]

Nah Gunlugger doesn't really want Lucky Bullet

[golden axle]

honestly still prefer FNP on lugger, it just makes your survivability stupid high.

[tall canopy]

The commodity of Lucky bullet is a lot weaker than the versatility of FNP

Mmhm

[plain heart]

But I like the non-versatility of "Hold M1 until horde is over"

[tall canopy]

And when Ogryn's best ranged weapon is the Kickback rn

[golden axle]

youll hardly notice the few bits of ammo you save VS. living or dying.

[halcyon zephyr]

ogryn has b o x and nothing else really needs to be said

[hearty panther]

The best Gunlugger keystone is Feel No Pain

[tall canopy]

It is

Lets you eat shots

And lets you return fire

[hearty panther]

It's kinda silly how pointless Lucky Bullet is

[golden axle]

best ~~gunlugger ~~ogryn keystone

[tall canopy]

It's so ez for a Lucky Bullet Ogryn to lose all toughness immediately after cracking out the stubber and laying down fire in the open

500 hp down to 300, 300 to 200 and etc

FNP actually lets you facetank ranged enemies

[plain heart]

thats what this is for

[tall canopy]

That's when PBB is active

[plain heart]

thats also why I think I should get some good toughness curios for Ogryn

[tall canopy]

Which is great

But it's not always active

[tawny pawn]

I'm putting +10% ordo dockets on all my curios and no one can stop me

[junior needle]

I took fnp on my kickback ogryn setup and the boost in survivability was massive, gunlugged pbb btw

[tall canopy]

Get XP on there too, coward.

[hearty panther]

But also that toughness regen goes much further when you have 25% baked in DR and then 25% TDR on top

[golden axle]

FNP is effective at all times

ult or no ult

[tall canopy]

FNP lets you face tank Plague Ogryns

[plain heart]

except when you are at 0 stacks
(I do get your point tho)

But my Gorgonum really likes Lucky Bullet

[hearty panther]

Incorrect Trapper Resistance is the best Curio perk, otherwise you'll fall for her charms

[tall canopy]

Never forget Flamer damage resistance is a perk

[golden axle]

thats the problem is that the arguement to not take FNP is very uphill. Shit needs to be readjusted so the other two trees have appealing factors.

[plain heart]

I know, just lightly playing the devil's advocate there

[tall canopy]

I love how vet chat is now Ogryn chat

fuck sake gaming

[plain heart]

I mean, I play all 4 classes

[hearty panther]

We have shit attention spans

[tall canopy]

I used to play 3 classes, now I only seem to be playing 1

[plain heart]

stop calling out my adhd I dont want to take my meds at 2am even if they have minimal effect on my sleep

[slim sand]

auric maelstrom, i think the columnus mk5 is my favorite autogun now

[hearty panther]

Coffee is my medicine

[strange ledge]

But charmed reload / lucky bullet is the big funnies

[tall canopy]

space mp5 wins again

[hearty panther]

Yeah I have a very short list of people I can't stand.

[plain heart]

Caffeine, Nicotine, all stimulants do work to some extent

[safe jacinth]

I have mixed feelings about this

[hearty panther]

Man I am on three drugs at any given time. I can't wait to die.

[plain heart]

Do I sit on top of that list?

[hearty panther]

Nah

[tall canopy]

I have mixed feelings of never being able to roll Dumdum on Infantry Autoguns

[slim sand]

the spread and recoil reduction on executioners stance make it impossible to use it on my zealot now lol

[safe jacinth]

Emps reward, I kind of feel like it's the most backhanded compliment the game has given me for completing a mission

[tawny pawn]

so what blessings am i looking for in a laspistol?

[plain heart]

Oh, I do have 1x good toughness Curio on my Gunlugger(w/ lucky bullet) Ogryn

[velvet wraith]

infernus is good

[golden axle]

dumdum or infernus with Ghost

[velvet wraith]

and dum dum

[tall canopy]

I've been using infiltrate so I can just flank gun lines and spray them

[hearty panther]

Just take the spread reduction on dodge node

[tall canopy]

Need to try it with ES

[plain heart]

well, "good" is very subjective cause its not even 70 rating

[slim sand]

no

[tawny pawn]

and for perks i should take crit damage?

[hearty panther]

lmao

[golden axle]

crit chance/maniac

[tawny pawn]

ah okay

[plain heart]

I never run Executioner's Stance on Vet

[golden axle]

its a VoC world nowadays

[plain heart]

All of my loadouts currently have Voice on them

[formal relic]

Yeah, I miss the days when vet chat was just constantly horny

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate. This way you can spot the rager brigade and pass the aggro to your Psyker friend

[plain heart]

Nowadays? I've been running 99% VoC(with some infiltrate for funzies) since the Overhaul Patch

[golden axle]

thats what i mean by nowadays :p

seeing as exec. stance was the only ult previously

[plain heart]

And before the Overhaul Patch I basically played Zealot with a Gun

I never used Volley Fire

like, actually pressed the button

I would always save it for Big DPS moments

which meant I only used it maybe once or twice per mission

[junior needle]

[formal relic]

volley fire has insane uptime, even now

[hearty panther]

I mean definitely now

[plain heart]

I know but its just not a "Me-Abiltiy"

it doesnt suit me

[hearty panther]

It still remains my least favourite ult

I didn't like the design before Patch 13. Now I don't care for its output compared to VoC or Infiltrate

[plain heart]

I'm slowly recovering from not using abilities at all with VoC

[daring peak]

*unless you're fighting a monstrosity

[junior needle]

Are you aware that you could've just played zealot, and had a gun?

[cloud leaf]

every volley fire vet ive seen in game has been absolutely useless

[daring peak]

aka one of the times you really want that damage

[wanton dawn]

Did I just read that vet chat was the chillest ?

[formal relic]

maybe i'm just old but I have a hard time picking out gunners in some backgrounds. I love volley fire

[wanton dawn]

Man what a day

[plain heart]

Yeah but Zealot and Veteran have different Contracts that needed to be fulfilled

[junior needle]

Oh, you were farming melkbux

Fair enough

[agile finch]

grab?

[plain heart]

I basically only play the game for Melkbux :P

[golden axle]

You gotta pick em out by the direction of "FOOORRR NNNUUUURRRGGGLEEEEE"

[daring peak]

playing devils advocate but that might just be because you don't always notice when its being useful since its mostly on the vets end and the only real impact is that elites and specials are dying faster

[plain heart]

Its a goal I can play towards every week

[cloud leaf]

maybe, but i definitely notice when they go down in the first horde and rage quit. 0 surviability compared to voc and infiltrate

[agile finch]

exhilarating takedown and all the toughness perks in the bottom middle say otherwise imo

[daring peak]

fair

[agile finch]

as long as you are shooting the enemies you should be shooting as a volley vet

you will not run out of toughness i promise

[cloud leaf]

its even better with voc

[junior needle]

I'll have you know I can handle at least 2 scab bruisers in melee without going down

[agile finch]

yes but voc doesnt highlight shooters for you to then massacre with increased damage

[daring peak]

^^

[agile finch]

like dont get me wrong voc is great

[cloud leaf]

highlight is a crutch

[agile finch]

but volley is also great

[daring peak]

volley tells you who and where to shoot

[agile finch]

^^^^^

[cloud leaf]

u should already know who and where to shoot if u dont ur blind

[agile finch]

i personally have a very hard time picking out shooters in crowds

[hearty panther]

i dont need volleyfire to help shoot my ogryn in the back, get on my level

[daring peak]

yeah lemme just pick out the priority targets among a horde of same colored poxxers and behind walls

[formal relic]

Well that's less true now, I think. You don't get the huge DR from it anymore

[hearty panther]

Unwavering Focus was such a mad crutch lul

[cloud leaf]

put tag on scroll wheel and install health bars mod, its never been easier

[agile finch]

exhilarating still gives 30% at max stacks but this is true

[agile finch]

shooters arent taggable

gunners are

[cloud leaf]

they glow when they shoot

[plain heart]

the shooters that matter are

[agile finch]

deranged take

anything that has a gun is important

your zealots will thank you

[cloud leaf]

based

[agile finch]

has gun = will kill

like i can understand the "volley bad just shoot shooters its not hard to see them" but "non-special shooters dont matter" is actually terrible take

[south spindle]

Of all skills that could be considered a crutch, its fuckin that one

[plain heart]

Also, the way I play, I like never benefit from the "8m away from enemies" talents

[south spindle]

was the main reason i levelled Vet up to 30 and then never played it for months

[plain heart]

I'm the guy running to melee the shotgunners as vet :P

[south spindle]

"Yay, i can be functionally immortal all the time.. ..Well this is fucking boring"

[hearty panther]

I can't hit them with my shovel from the back line

[agile finch]

yeah but i feel like the other ones are just worse lol

you can get value out of the 8m away sometimes

[lavish hamlet]

so like, which of these do I want?

[agile finch]

afaik mk3 is just the best

[lavish hamlet]

thank

[agile finch]

but i dont use helbore that much so take that with a grain of salt

[lavish hamlet]

im taking it as gospel

[agile finch]

fuck....

[plain heart]

btw, melkstore being funny again on my Zealot:

[agile finch]

i will now be held responsible for when he dies using helbore

[fathom edge]

mk4 lasgun is ok now right?

[lavish hamlet]

true

[agile finch]

yes but i would not upgrade this

[low oar]

It's fun but you 100% need an autoclicker

[agile finch]

imo its a waste to upgrade a blue that has neither a good perk or blessing

ideal

surgical is atleast

[junior needle]

Infernus is absolutely not ideal

[low oar]

Ideal is onslaught and surgical

[agile finch]

is it onslaught?

[low oar]

Yes

[agile finch]

i thought it was infernus given that you're critting every shot

but i wouldnt know so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior needle]

surgical does that

Infernus is the small amount of burn on a crit

[agile finch]

yeah im saying like

[low oar]

Onslaught is faster charge up on chained hits

[agile finch]

since you crit every shot

infernus good

was my thought process

[junior needle]

You're 1-2 shotting things

On a helbore 3

[agile finch]

idk

[low oar]

Onslaught is just straight up higher dps

[agile finch]

dont ask me 😔

[junior needle]

And the rate at which you stack that dot is so incredibly slow

[agile finch]

onslaught still lets you hit max surgical before its fully charged or?