gameplay-help

[sudden inlet]

i gotta get better at that

im not super confident in melee against a horde and not taking chip dmg, i lean on my purgatus staff a lot for hordes

maybe i should rock a vet with power sword (i still like being strong at range lol) or even fuck it and try a zealot

and force myself to get better at pure melee

[pliant willow]

Is this good?

[fluid flare]

The blessings are really good, stats and perks not so much

[pliant willow]

Or should I buy it just to get the pinning fire blessing

[fluid flare]

Do you have power cycler already? If not, do you want power cycler?

[pliant willow]

Is that for like the electric sword ?

atm I have no blessings at all

I main veteran

[pliant willow]

what does it do

hey look I can take this one

I'll grab this blessing

[fluid flare]

Oh sweet

[fluid flare]

Yeah, it's basically the holy grail for power sword users, it triples the amount of energised attacks you can do before you have to reactivate the power field

But it's very rare and Melk is one of the only good sources for it, so if you want power cycler, you'll want to make sure that you have 4k melk bucks left in the bank at any one time

Just in case a power sword that has it shows up in his inventory

[pliant willow]

oke I'll gather that

Can I get the pinning fire + blaze away on shredder now?

Since I have the pinning fire blessing

[fluid flare]

Unfortunately no

You've only unlocked it for the bolter

[pliant willow]

oh right

that sucks

[fluid flare]

Blessings are not shared across different weapon types

[pliant willow]

that's so bad

[fluid flare]

Yeah it's rough, but sometimes the same blessing does different things on different weapon types, so they decided not to make them shared

(and also because they want you to grind more lol)

[pliant willow]

gotta get grinding then

but if I got pinning fire blessing and have it on shredders, can I get a perfect one then

[reef hornet]

shattering impact 4 is nice to have if you can get pinning fire elsewhere

[pliant willow]

I see

[fluid flare]

a perfect shredder has good stats, +flak and +maniacs damage perks, and pinning fire and blaze away

but just pinning fire is strong enough to make shredder good

[pliant willow]

Alrightyw

I guess electric sword + power cycle is his best weapon?

[fluid flare]

depends on who you ask, but one of the best melee weapons for sure

[pliant willow]

How do I equip this

[coral tide]

hit c when you have one of your weapons selected

and there is a tab on the top of the window where you select one of those to put on the weapon

[pliant willow]

ah I see

[hasty pulsar]

can anyone help me clear zealot just a flesh wound penance? struggling to find randoms that are both willing AND capable.

[fervent ridge]

Sure what's your steam ID

[hasty pulsar]

McSquoogler

[fervent ridge]

I'll get on in 15 mins

See you then

[hasty pulsar]

word

thank you

if i don't accept right away i'm making a run at it

[fervent ridge]

magistrati is available right now

It's our best shot

if you're around let's go for it

[placid wharf]

Anyone can tell me why these assets keep reloading every time i open the menu? Swapped my GPU recently and now cosmetics menu is acting up like this and in operative cosmetics store same thing while i'm scrolling up and down. Did a proper DDU old driver uninstallation/new drivers in safe mode etc, verified game files, but nothing's helped. Makes me wonder if something might be gimping my performance. x.x

Or was it like this the whole time and I just didn't notice?

[hasty pulsar]

crashed

[fervent ridge]

Another pilgrim delivered with @formal granite

[formal granite]

[hasty pulsar]

Hell yeah, thanks

now i just need to get the one for healing to 75% and i've got all the zealot penances

[fervent ridge]

That one is alot easier

Just play Combat axe or hsword

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah, i've gotten really close, i just had too much health while working on flesh wound

[sudden inlet]

So this content patch coming.... do we have any info besides knowing its a new mission?

new mission is like, a new pathway on an existing map right?

but not a new area/map completely, right?

is a new mission and like 3-4 weapons gonna be all it is? i was hoping for new subclasses or something else big. new weapon types entirely hopefully not just new models maybe

[fluid flare]

Might just be the one Throneside mission and a big balance patch

We don't know

[neat jacinth]

There's some balancing stuff coming in this week's patch too

[pliant willow]

What type of weapon should I look for in Melks shop as a psyker?

[sudden inlet]

idk i feel like if they dont surprise us with something good

some cool new weapon types, new subclasses

something

ppls gonna be annoyed, population is kinda dying

games population is less than vt2 most days

how that game launched with....12 subclasses?

and this had 4

is beyond me

like they need a patch with 4 new subclasses 1 for each character pronto IMO

google says this, they ALREADY haven't met this deadline and i would argue this isn't enough lol

gonna leave the last class to have no extra subclass for over a year, while the first one to get one gets a year of having 2?

they need to release 4 at once to start

[pliant willow]

it do be kinda bad yes

[sudden inlet]

idk how vt2 had 3 subclasses x 5 characters, right?

and this had 4x1?

like ....

not that this is new news, i just come back to the game 5 months later and its like "oh look, crafting is done....shoulda been ready at launch"

THIS patch 8, feels like what launch patch should of been MINIMUM. If game was launched in current state, people still would of said it didn't have enough content

[strange kiln]

i am broadly not informed enough of VT2, but the blessings were much simplier in that game right

[sudden inlet]

im enjoying playing again and like the new weapons/missions and QOL stuff we got. I admit, but like...is it enough lmao

[strange kiln]

like they very seldom had mechanical complexity at all

and were like, deal damage and get barkskin

[sudden inlet]

on weapons? they're pretty simple here too do X thing get Y stat boost

[strange kiln]

some of them are? some of them i would say are roughly as complex as a feat

ie, they do something mechanically complex, that changes either the functionality of a weapon on a foundational level

[sudden inlet]

i dont remember the vt2 builds being that much less complex it would excuse them creating triple the classes in vt2

[strange kiln]

well, you're asking "why is there much less build variety" and i suspect there's your answer. they expanded the blessings, doing work they in some cases can't even apply yet

there are fully functional level 5 blessings in the code with unique functionality completely impossible to access

i dunno if that's wise, but i suspect that's why

[sudden inlet]

i just don't believe belssings are complex enough thats why build and class variety is lacking compared to vt2

i believe its because of:
Covid
Deadlines/pressure from higher ups to launch
they put an incredible amount of time and detail into the graphics, lore, environments etc. Its impressive. Its high quality, but due to the previous two things somehting had to give to meat launch deadlines: aka content

its a 180+ person team, not a small studio

i believe there is a good amount of content being worked on, just a matter of when we'll see it

i have to believe we have a new subclass for each character, a new map entirely maybe 2, and new weapons minimum are all in development. Just a matter of when its ready

[fluid flare]

that much is not a surprise, as they said they were pausing the development and deployment of new content to fix their mess of a game

Darktide is in a better place now so it would be nice if they resume where they left off

or never began, I suppose

[sudden inlet]

ya, it does feel better now at launch at least

it just should of launched in this state

sorry to randomly change topic, trying to improve to break into t5, starting to feel comfortable in t4

when people do combos, like light->heavy -> reset

whats the best way to reset the animations so you can start the combo you want again, are people double QQing? or just blocking?

[woeful root]

both; I do QQ if I don't need to move sideways since I have my ranged mapped to Q and melee to E

also depends on the weapon. I'd do whatever feels comfortable or optimal at the moment

[frosty crag]

what is the dump stat for bolters?

[fervent ridge]

mobility

[frosty crag]

thx

[sudden inlet]

Is Q on "wield previous item" or "quick wield" by default? also whats the difference? (have mine unbound bc i changed controls a while back, trying to fix it without having to reset default lol)

[woeful root]

i unfortunately don't know

[dusty cipher]

Is there a good resource for combo information?

[sudden inlet]

i think i figured it out actually

[woeful root]

my guess is that quick wield swaps between ranged and melee

[sudden inlet]

its "quick wield"

[lament sand]

Quick wield swaps to melee in all cases, except if you have melee out then it goes to ranged. (I think)

[latent girder]

most weapons don't have much combo wise

if you notice a "jank" moveset then it's worth looking into

[whole imp]

Whats the max value for health or toughness curios please?

[woeful root]

21% hp and 17% tough

[whole imp]

Great thanks

Has a feeling my information was out of date based on what I'd seen in the shop

[fluid flare]

Max rating curios in the armory became a bit rarer than before

But they still show up from time to time

[whole imp]

Thanks. It's more that I was looking for the ratings that show on games lantern

[rigid wasp]

any tips for shooting the bolter?

the iron sights seem really unreliable

for me anyways

[restive tulip]

you can quickly unaim and aim again to recenter the bolter sights between shots, doing this makes it very stable

helps a lot on my 0% stability bolter

[rigid wasp]

thanks, will try that out lol

[haughty badger]

What is a salvo

[coral violet]

chain of consecutive shots that is reset with automatic recoil compensation

[haughty badger]

Thank you

[pliant willow]

Are any of these good?

What should I look for?

And what are the best blessings for voidstrike staff that I should collect?

[formal granite]

deimos is great

best for void is warp flurry + transfer peril

[pliant willow]

think I should buy the sword? or wait until a voidstrike staff with one of those blessings show up

[fluid flare]

Do you have a force sword already?

[formal granite]

if u dont have a better deimos id say its a buy

itll serve you for a very long time

replace shred with deflector/uncanny/unstable and ur golden

and block efficiency to flak or maniac

[pliant willow]

nope

[fluid flare]

Then yeah I'd do what @formal granite said

It's a great specimen

[icy sand]

hey all, what perks do i reroll on my zealot's weapons /what am i looking for? also what should I replace the T1 deadly accurate with?

[restive tulip]

for your lasgun, I would switch +Elites to +Flak, the Maniac bonus is really nice to have for dropping specials fast
for your sword, change Weakspot Damage to also +Flak, Flak is just a really common armor type, and the Unarmored bonus is really good to have too

Deadly Accurate could probably be switched with No Respite, it's just bonus damage on staggered enemies, but up to you since Kantrael blessings aren't too important

[icy sand]

thanks!

[wet tusk]

Hello everyone, I don't use boltguns very often but do you think this one is good?

[fluid flare]

Is that sarcasm?

[wet tusk]

No I hardly ever use Boltguns, usually just the kantrael xii

[fluid flare]

Okay well

That is one of the best bolters I've seen

High stats, good perks, and incredibly good blessings. Pinning Fire T4 is BiS and Shattering Impact helps with crushers quite a bit. That bolter will demolish enemy Ogryns and monstrosities like nothing else

[wet tusk]

Ah that's awesome to hear, thank you. Time to learn how to bolter. Do you recommend I grab both reload feats?

[fluid flare]

Run it with Sustained Fire as your lvl 30 feat so you can empty the mag, activate volley fire and empty the mag again with full pinning fire stacks to destroy entire Ogryn squads in the blink of an eye

No, keep the grenade regen, only run the reload on elite kill feat

Bolter kills most lesser enemies in a single shot and it's semi auto when you aim down your sights, so you can contribute to clearing out enemy shooters if you have to, but the ammo reserves aren't very generous

Bolter's biggest strength lies in the hipfire's full auto burst damage which can delete enemy specialists and elite squads very quickly

Pair it with a melee weapon that can deal with hordes and squads of bruisers, like an antax combat axe with brutal momentum

[wet tusk]

Will do, I've set my feats as you've recommended. I'll give it a go! Sounds good, I do indeed have an antax with brutal momentum that's been a good time overall. Thank you for the info and advice, really appreciate it !

[fluid flare]

You could alternatively try both reload feats + counterfire but I've found it really hard to maintain volley fire uptime either way

Then there's the Ogryn hunter feat "the bigger they are", but I prefer the maximum burst damage that sustained fire provides

Try some stuff out and see what clicks

Have fun!

[wet tusk]

Ah probably a bit more difficult to try for the 20 second volley fire penance with the bolter?

[fluid flare]

Yeah that is much more easily done with your kantrael

[wet tusk]

If only the game wasn't crashing everytime I try to get into a game.

[agile stone]

what mods should i get to better my game play experience

[fervent ridge]

dodge count, custom HUD, numeric UI, healthbars

[warm nebula]

As opposed to the mods that better your crafting experience at least a tiny bit

[fervent ridge]

The healthbars one is kind of contentious within the community because being able to see enemies' exact health is considered by some to be basically cheating since it'll inform you of exactly how many bullets you need to use or hits left to down key targets, but stuff like numeric UI and dodge count are just useful combat info for you

dodge count I find is quite helpful since the giantass white numbers in the centre of my screen inform me of how many dodges I have left and how sparingg I gotta be with them, numeric UI just informs you of your teammates' exact health and ammo count so you can see who is being overly greedy, oh and scoreboard mod is useful too if you care about maximizing personal performance

[hoary hull]

disagree, this just lowers the skill ceiling for players that don't want to be sweatlords in the psykanium and know how much damage exactly they do, and how much health the enemies have

it is perfectly fine

[tough epoch]

Gonna be honest I only got the HP bars mod because it’s very satisfying to see that red bar of the enemies hit 0, activates that monke brain neurons for me.

Tho its also definitely VERY useful to see how much life is left in enemy ogryns or maulers too

[strange kiln]

it's stupidly good for picking targets out of fire, imo the primary advantage it gives

you can always tell where your target is roughly even if there's a bomb, flamer and horde in the way

[fervent ridge]

It's not my opinion, since I use it myself to optimize my ability to carry pug lobbies, but it's a common opinion i've heard echoed alot on both Reddit and Discord

[fervent ridge]

Yea numbers make brain feel good real

Especially on weapons like Bolter where being able to place the exact number of shots needed to kill X specialist without overkill becomes more relevant on shock troop modifiers or in ammo scarce vet-less teams

[tough epoch]

Yeah its EXTREMELY good

[formal granite]

YOUR CHEAT REMOVE NOW

[tough epoch]

AAA

[fervent ridge]

Honestly Blood I played hi5 without mods today and felt no difference

I think after staring at healthbars for 300 hours of modded t5 I just know how much hp enemies have now at any stage

I'll keep the mods off and play vanilla DT from now on unless they add some amazing mod that makes me fanatic oiled up shirtless and twerking

[formal granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[formal granite]

theres definitely some that i cant do wothout like reroll, hub hotkey, custom hud and then really nice to have stuff like chatbock, disable screen effects and true peril

[fervent ridge]

Oh yea I'll keep reroll

can't live without that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

Chatblock very useful as well hnggg

[warm nebula]

Which mod does hub hotkey? I missed it browsing nexusmods…

[fervent ridge]

It's called Hub hotkeys

[warm nebula]

Hm. I must not have been browsing hard enough then 😅

[tough epoch]

Its just 7 pages but i dont blame you for missing a specific mod

some just blend into each other

[rigid wasp]

help? https://i.gyazo.com/c29ddb8b62d0316b76ebbebb7cec15d1.png

[fluid flare]

Can't

Gotta wait for Fatshark to unfuck the game

[reef hornet]

anyone know which mod crashes the game?

or all of them?

[tough epoch]

I just turned off all of them

no chances

[idle kite]

How 2 naked plz

[amber spear]

anyone willing to help?

[rigid wasp]

Wait for a hotfix

[amber spear]

oh?

what are they gonna do to it?

or is it bugged and impossible to do

[prisma hollow]

so I have a question regarding the "Bring the hunt" pen. Am I supposed to hit the same type elite/specialist 5 times or 4 times? the second sentence kinda confuses me

[celest flax]

anyone wanna do zealot penance run sub 20?

assassin up atm

[rigid wasp]

They're gonna fix it

[fluid flare]

You've already completed it

Now Fatshark needs to give you the helmet and award you the penance

[heavy stone]

Darktide seems to be crashing from mods whenever I try to enter a mission, will report back if I can figure out which mods it is

Mod framework got an update too

Has anyone gotten mods working with the new patch?

[rigid wasp]

All my installed mods seem to be working, or at least not crashing the game

[lament sand]

No mods ran fine, mods crashed game before i could join each time

[reef hornet]

mine cause the game to crash on loading into a mission; I don't know which one it is though

[green kettle]

anything i could try to change on this?

[remote lark]

Nope, It seems like that with a handful of mods its still crashing

[digital vector]

I removed scoreboard and the other that shows ppl ammo and the rest seems to be working, those ones where crashing the game.

[remote lark]

You got healthbar mod working? :O

[digital vector]

Yeah

[remote lark]

oh neat that works, thanks for the info

[heavy stone]

Checking with the darktide mod discord, looks like version 1.9.1 of the Numeric UI mod does work

Scoreboards I'm not sure, all the other mods should be fine

[unreal aurora]

reroll the headhunter and the carapace aye? stamina doesn't seem too bad with the new changes to the deadshot perk

[rigid wasp]

Deadshot is still percentage-based, but at least it consumes a bit less now

I'm not sure I'd use the weapon tbh: the fire rate doesn't really feel good with headhunter to me, between the eyes is a blessing I avoid like the plague, carapace is useless without critting headshots and stamina is kinda whatever

Though I'd reroll between the eyes and the stamina

The least that would be done there is make the weapon kinda crit-oriented

The maniac and unyielding damage is already pretty nice on the MG12 and the veteran's ult just wrecks things even more, so the gun could try to farm crits on crushers or something

The joys of having a weapon that is already great on its own

[unkempt wraith]

Is there anyone willing to help me in on overwatch?

[river roost]

we can help each other out if you want, i need "heavyweight champion", tag/dm me back if interested

[frosty crag]

is this any good?

[river roost]

i'd say yes

idk about volatile, thought i'm no expert or knowledgeable

[neon galleon]

Which zealot shirt is the one that lets you go shirtless? Aka which one is bugged? Anyone know?

[frosty crag]

some have it some don’t. they need to give it to everyone or remove it imo

[neon galleon]

Nooooo! This is the worst day of my life..... Hope they give it to everyone as an option

[fluid flare]

looks like it was the shirt tied to the malice "don't use your gun for 1 mission" penance

[strange kiln]

i have it on three classes, so it must have been several. keep it in tho plz

[neon galleon]

Thanks pal

[neon galleon]

I think it's on a certain tier of penance cosmetic from what I can tell... So each class with their version of that tier's penance

[tulip wind]

If I try to get Head Honcho in a private game with one other player, will the two bots ruin it? Do we have to make sure they are dead first?

[fluid flare]

Nope

My Vet and Ogryn have all of their items and no shirtless option

It's only the Zealot shirt

It gives the shirtless bugged item to all of your characters but if you don't have that penance done you are shit out of luck

[strange kiln]

that explains why all of zel chat got it, lol

[azure siren]

Huh, is this a good place to discuss weapons and what blessings are good on them? I’ve been poking around the pins, but I can’t find any

Been trying to make a good Catachan M3 Combat Blade

[river roost]

yes

[azure siren]

I'm playing Zealot btw

[latent girder]

precog is terrible becuase of how the math on it works(same goes for most increases to weak spot or crit damage)

precog to uncanny strike, and melee crit damage to flak(imo)

[azure siren]

Alright, I’ll have to get a T4 Uncanny Strike lol

Also, does anyone have a breakdown of the likelihood of getting a T4 blessing on green to blue vs purple to yellow?

[latent girder]

assumed higher from purple to yellow I believe, it still isn't super efficent to upgrade all the way all the time tho

[azure siren]

Dang, so it’s still better to do the constant upgrading to Blue

[knotty tulip]

Does anyone else's PC hard crash during gameplay?

[azure siren]

Hmm, what’s been happening before the crash?

[azure siren]

Oh hey, how am I supposed to use the chainaxe?

I’ve tried it a couple times, but it seems a bit clunky for special killing? I’ve only tried it on Zealot tho

[tough solar]

push attacks and chained heavy sweeps seem to be the go to

and using the special heavy for elite kills

it has good options for blessings and is pretty versatile.

[latent girder]

^

mix in lights from time to time while clearing as well

[knotty tulip]

I think it was due to high CPU usage. I switched to the "experimental" branch and now it runs fine

[keen palm]

so at what level will melk finally carry transcendant items?

[fluid flare]

I don't think it is

I can count on one hand the T4 blessings I got from upgrading to blue

But my arsenal is full of great weapons with t4 blessings I got by fully consecrating

[fluid flare]

It's a piece of shit that will get you killed

(yes I have a skill issue with chaxe)

[latent girder]

[azure siren]

I mean, it is fair to note that something requires a fair bit of skill to be useful

[lapis spindle]

When will the stuttering in game be fixed

[strange kiln]

probably with a hotfix soon, but there's a pretty easy workaround

[lapis spindle]

What's the work around

[strange kiln]

the issue is a shader cache, meaning that (every time you update the game or your drivers) it will stutter the first time it plays any special effect, then won't stutter playing that exact same effect again. eventually if you hop in the firing range and use your stuff on lots of enemies, then run a few maps on lower difficulty you'll be "through them", so to speak

[lapis spindle]

[strange kiln]

mostly anyway, there will always be esoteric ones that don't play often that might still cause a stutter, but they'll become rarer

[lapis spindle]

I'll wait for an update

[strange kiln]

long and short, play one game of any difficulty, and they'll mostly be gone, play three and they'll become quite rare

[lapis spindle]

Update

Thanks

[crystal totem]

will i never be able to get this helm? i was on my final penance of 95/100 missions complete as sharpshooter months ago. just returned to finish it up and check out the new content

there's no way i need 5/5 damnation missions since the old penance challenges stopped at heresy difficulty

[strange kiln]

yes, it's bugged since the last patch, it for sure will get fixed

[tulip wind]

If I try to get Head Honcho in a private game with one other player, will the two bots ruin it? Do we have to make sure they are dead first?

[brave harbor]

It's a possibility. I'd say it's safer to get them killed first.

[tough solar]

yeah. easiest way would be to find a host, kill the two bots and have an ogryn tank it. Or kite a beast of nurgle around, but you'll need to make sure the bots are dead before the beast spawns. Good luck trying it though, when they increased the spawn rates, the game will immediately throw 4+ disablers at you as soon as you aggro a boss and you'll have to hope it doesn't spawn a horde either. It would be much easier with a 4 stack.

[kindred marten]

hello

[crimson quiver]

Is there a cap to how much brittleness a target can have?

[coral violet]

you cant exceed health type damage mod over 100%

[crimson quiver]

But for weapons that apply say 6 stacks of 5%, can another operative apply more stacks on top of that?

[rigid wasp]

There isn't any cap mentioned in the blessings, though another question for those would be if blessings like "3 stacks of 5% brittleness for 5s" decay all stacks after 5 seconds, or decay one by one, or if they even refresh the stacks when you try to reapply it

[stoic heath]

So, do you need godrolled weapons to succeed in heresy and damnantionm, or is it more based on player skill?

[crimson quiver]

You don't, but certain weapons might need (or are made much better by) certain blessings to be worth using. Realistically, just awareness and a decent set of weapons should be more than enough to do 4s and 5s

[fallow rivet]

and a decent reflexes to avoid disabler eliter and a bit of learning to know how to deal with each of them or combinations of specialists

[left skiff]

from testing people do in the discord it actually does seem to apply more damage to armored targets

if you exceed 100%

it doesnt work on unarmored though

[frosty crag]

i know it's not great, but what are the best perks for the recon lasgun? just for hordes on lower difficulties

[coral violet]

pretty sure it caps out at 100% base damage and can be easily tested on dueling sword/knife banging at the crusher's head with rending blessing on

unless those are different from others for some reason?

[rigid wasp]

Dueling sword's rending has a stack cap

It doesn't manage to go above 100% rending

Actually nvm, I'm missing a T4 of it

Well, the T4 is probably 5 stacks of 20% anyway instead of 5 of 15%

[coral violet]

what isnt capped then? because can opener sure as shit doesnt overstack on carapace

same with GG shattering impact

[woeful root]

brittleness should be capped at 8 stacks (40%)

rending is whatever your blessing stacks up to

[coral violet]

didnt they turn all rending into brittleness at some point

[woeful root]

they just fixed the description of certain blessings

"+rending" with the plus sign was actually brittleness (rending shockwave, shattering impact, etc.)

so they just fixed the term that was used

[coral violet]

power sword which is "+rending" doesnt stack infinitely either

so what unicorn does stack over 100%?

[woeful root]

probably CAxe's decapitator

t4 stacks 5 times for 25% rending each

[fluid flare]

Shovel, combat knife and yeah caxe are the ones with actual proper % rending blessings that I can think of rn

Instead of oops secretly brittleness the whole time

[little coyote]

which damage resistance curio perks were redundant again?

Like the ones that only count bomber kicks and so on

[azure siren]

Wait, does damage resistance (Bomber) not protect against the bombs?

[little coyote]

ye think that's how it went

or I might be misremembering it to being some other special ability

[coral violet]

flamers too

Snipers>Gunners>Corruption

everything else is worse than grim corruption/corruption

[azure siren]

…That is so dumb

[coral violet]

well they oneshot your toughness and after that the damage isnt as big

even if resistances worked the toughness oneshot would still halve your ehp

[azure siren]

Oh hey, does anyone know when the increased odds for Concentration are probably going to end?

[empty hinge]

how many missions are there in the game

[ebon crest]

does anyone know the best way to complete the Heavyweight champion penance?

[coral violet]

queue up anything that doesnt have low int on it

press f

[ebon crest]

thanks

[pliant willow]

what

[ivory ruin]

I could probably use some help getting better at the game in general with like positioning and combat but I can’t send clips longer than 2 minutes with medal

[woeful root]

prob upload em to youtube

[thick ledge]

Any penancers?

[tight jewel]

does anyone have any advice on how to do the on overwatch penance? Cheesy strats are acceptable

[strange kiln]

put on active camo and play very cowardly, ideally with friends who will facilitate

[tough epoch]

Also definitely try a throneside map

its very open and as long as you avoid poxhounds by standing on boxes you'll probably be fine

[tepid garnet]

Odd question, In playing private matches I keep getting the error message "2001" is it anything on my end?
I limited my game to low settings to try and fix this.
However I can run public matches just fine

[tough epoch]

Only time i came across that was during public matches where I kept lagging and disconnected before I restarted my router and fixed it.

No idea why a private game is doing that though, strange

[mint nymph]

Hi, real quick! Can anyone clarify what these symbols mean on the mission selector?

The chevron-y bits

[woeful root]

it indicates the highest difficulty on which you've completed that mission on

• The chevron with 3 lines in the top-right indicates that you've completed that map on Malice.
• The chevron with 4 wings and a single skull in the middle indicates you've completed that map on Heresy.
• The chevron with 4 wings and three skulls indicates a Damnation completion

[mint nymph]

Awesome, I had a feeling that was the case but I appreciate the clarification

that's the specific mission, not the mission type, right?

[woeful root]

specific mission yeah

[mint nymph]

class, thanks very much!

[woeful root]

something to note is that those chevrons are account-wide across all of your characters

[mint nymph]

yes indeedy, I'm on my low-level psyker and can see ones that I've done on my zealot

[woeful root]

if you've completed a damnation mission on, say, your level 30 psyker, you'll see them on your lvl 5 vet

[mint nymph]

good to know

yup!

[kindred marten]

anybody available for help?

[rigid wasp]

"Help" is a very broad term tbh

Penances, leveling, gear, mechanics?

[reef hornet]

does scoreboard work again?

[woeful root]

the only thing that got borked (with respect to scoreboard) was UI Extension

which is no longer required for newer versions of scoreboard anyways, so you're safe to just uninstall it if you've got the newer versions of scoreboard

[pliant willow]

buy?

[brittle laurel]

Not sure if it still works but...
get 2 people to help. load a t3 map and jump off the edge at the start. Have your buddies finish the map w/o rescuing you.
Enjoy.

[weak tiger]

im trying to improve my weapon rating as soon as possible, but im confused whether i have to equip the best items or only have them in my inventory? Also I am wondering does the curio rating affect weapon ratings or overall rating ?, i dont get why curios have their own rating.

[brittle laurel]

Im sure someone knows the exact mechanics but in my experience the higher the base ilvl the better chance of getting t4 perks and blessings.
Darktide is good at being adaptive to your play style. So if you want ie quicker reload or quell then go for those things. Typically the higher base ilvl is better.
Qurio rating has no affect on weapon ratings and over all ratings are not really an issue as there is no ... minimum gear score for things.

[sudden inlet]

so, does 3 wounds not really help when picking up grimoires?

bc 2 grimoirs = 2 wounds. 1 wound left, 1/3 hp

but if you only have 2 wounds, grimoirs can only take you down to 50%?

[coral violet]

It only counts your total hp

[rigid wasp]

It helps you get less wounds per time

[coral violet]

Not wounds

Stop running this shit

[sudden inlet]

ive been experimenting with no wounds, and sometimes bullshit happens and you go down bc you get hit by a dog, and grabbed by a mutant and a crusher hits you same time. shit happens

i find people saying wounds are bad weird

kinda elitest, as if the rng of the game never happens and puts you down

[coral violet]

By the time that happens no one is around to pick you up

Why not beef up? Might make it to the next medicae and not go down with +60% health instead

[pearl palm]

Wounds pretty much is a banked insurance of extra HP if you ever go down, the more wounds you have the more banked HP is split between your extra lives before you go out cold for good and need to be rescued by your allies.

From experience, i feel that Corruption damage from Grimores have a soft cap to your HP so it only eats up about 150 HP or so rather then all of your health over time, so investing into some Max HP blessings is solid and gives you more health now then banking on some extra health for whenever you go down

[sudden inlet]

is corruption resistance perk ever worth it

[strange kiln]

wounds are an extremely poor insurance policy, given you can upfront that HP much much more efficently

[pearl palm]

Its not as a full investment, its a neat secondary pick from RNG

[strange kiln]

sec, i made a chart once for this

[pearl palm]

least when it comes to grimore damage resist, though honestly both passive and hostile corruption should be one of the same effect, just scaled differently to accomodate

[strange kiln]

lets pretend that the HP amount is equal, say they're running all stamina otherwise or w/e. okay so: in the orange parts of the health bar, the wound provides any protection against corruption at all, half of the bar. the yellow section the wound curio does absolutely nothing, and in the green section of the healthbar running a wound actually makes corruption worse

this is comparing 1 wounds to 0 wounds, ie, nothing. one wound is worse than nothing a quarter of the time, and equal to nothing half the time

if you were to compare to HP, as corruption damage is always flat, except when reviving, you would need to make a much larger bar for the +hp

the corruption damage from grims works like this:

it deals you a flat amount of damage, i want to say 20 or 40 each. this is fixed, and can be undone by dropping the grim

[pearl palm]

Extra wounds don't give you anything other then an extra chunk of your health for when you get down, unlike Max HP which can for non Ogryns ensure that you have at least a spare wound which is almost fully corrupted but enough to count as a wound spent if you go down.

[strange kiln]

then, everyone gets a corruption DoT which is something like 1.5 a second. grims will never kill you, they will bring you down to 1, exactly like beast of nurgle funny enough

or, 1.5 every ten seconds or something

[pearl palm]

same thing with Corruption Resistance (Grimores) but the minor blessing reduces the soft cap that passive corruption damage from Grimores can take

[strange kiln]

there is no soft cap of corruption damage

there is one wiht demonhosts, weirdl

y

but there is none with grims

there is a hard cap of 1 and afaik that's it

ie, it will bring you to 1 hp and no further

[pearl palm]

always felt like it, at some point it just stops pushing down, but for uninvested non-ogryns it always takes up to a wound and a half

[strange kiln]

nah

also, i personally don't think that it's an elitism issue like, wounds and HP do the same thing, wounds just does less and requires you to jump through more hoops to get your extra HP. now, toughness versus HP, that has an element of elitism

where, hp is a buffer against chip and bad decisions, and if you are an mlg gamer you want more toughness since you don't have to deal with those and are more concerned about big unplanned hits from eg shotgunners

reaper spam, etc

[pearl palm]

I would say wounds give you more back end support then max HP which gives you more HP now rather then later, if you don't go down much then its better to get max HP or Toughness, but if you go down a lot then extra wounds help a ton

[strange kiln]

do they help, though? that sort of seems like offloading the responsibility of survival to your team. i die waaaaaaay more often with a wound left than with none, i would guess probably about 4 or 5 to 1? that's not to say i don't die, but when i die a wound wouldn't matter

wounds is taking a gamble saying: i will go down at least twice between mediaes, but not in such a way that having a larger buffer of HP will help, but definitely in a way i will be revived. because in any other case you are losing out

[rigid wasp]

One could make the case that health and toughness have no use if the player is skilled enough at avoiding damage

[pearl palm]

a fair point, each of the main blessings could be considered redundant if the player is capable of avoiding all projectiles and melee swings flawlessly.

[sudden inlet]

it just feels like often skill goes out the window

[strange kiln]

broadly this is why people wear wounds as a flex at very high levels of play

[sudden inlet]

when game just spawns something behind you and you take a smack

[strange kiln]

look at me, i don't need hp toughness or anything, i can run wounds, etc

[sudden inlet]

or dog gets you around a corner

in terms of taking dmg

just feels like the game throws a lot of bullshit unavoidable dmg at you

[rigid wasp]

I run a wound on vet because someone has to stay up a bit longer to nuke elites

[strange kiln]

well, okay, how is your wound preventing you from going down more than the substitutions? that to me is the rub, imo people think it's training wheels while learning but it's not, it's worse than the alternative at the thing you want HP for, ie, not dying

[rigid wasp]

It's not, it's preventing me from making a mistake and being on my last life

[strange kiln]

put aside toughness for a second, the only scenarios that i legit think wounds make sense are: if you are psyker (or plasma vet sort of) and risk popping to peril, which ignores HP, or if you hate the colour desaturation

[rigid wasp]

The safety net I have on veteran relies on using volley fire, contrary to zealot having periodic immortality and psyker having kinetic deflection

It's much easier to play at range, but harder to keep up at close range

[strange kiln]

okay, well frame it differently: up until you get knocked twice, your wound curio is significantly reducing your potential HP pool compared to the alternatives. what is the magic quality of HP you get only after getting picked up twice that makes it go farther. like, 25 hp is 25 hp

it's like saying i need this HP when picked up twice, but that quantity of HP previously is irelevant to my survival

[rigid wasp]

My situations aren't slowly dying to a point where I get some kind of insane benefit from an extra health curio

I already have 200 toughness and almost 180 health, do I really need to overdo defenses instead of using that base value to expand to other curios that I want?

I can revive people better because of my stamina curio and I often see people failing revives because they didn't invest on it and just ran triple toughness or triple health

Going full toughness, full health and specially full stamina is something I consider almost as overboard as going full wounds

Hell, if a veteran can't play properly with 200 toughness and 150 health they should git fucking gud

There are psykers out there meleeing with 120 toughness and painting the floor red

[strange kiln]

well, i'm trying to compare apples to apples here - hp and wounds do the exact same function, they give you extra of the resource that if you reach zero you die

and it is imo a straight linear comparison, there is nothing special about the HP you get before getting knocked compared to the HP you get after, just the quantity

and that the stuff you get after has an additional requirement that can fail

[rigid wasp]

It's not about the HP, but being able to get up once more

[strange kiln]

explain the functional difference, is what i am getting at. being able to get up once more is just HP with a difficulty requirement on it

[rigid wasp]

I don't really care about the marginal amount of extra HP that wounds give me, though they are at least welcome

Being able to get up once more is having room for mistakes

[strange kiln]

because it gives you HP

[rigid wasp]

No?

It's because it allows you to get up once more

[strange kiln]

yes? like, the function of wounds is to ensure that when your HP reaches zero you are given bonus HP, assuming your team can meet the requirement.

[rigid wasp]

The function of wounds is allowing the player to go down once more before the team has to work with 3 players to revive someone possibly on the other side of the planet

[strange kiln]

okay, let me frame it differently

say i am going to take 300 damage in a game, no matter what. that 300 damage might be delivered in a different form, ie it might be all at once and the rollover is relevant, in the case that wound buys you "more" in a sense, or it might be chip distributed over many medicaes, and wound does nothing

[rigid wasp]

It's a game with laggy dogs, specials that like not making spawn noises, snipers that sometimes pretend you didn't dodge and, if you are graced by a position you couldn't possibly be aware of, a gunner firing at you from above

[strange kiln]

yes, there are lots of things that do hp damage, i agree there

[rigid wasp]

The damage doesn't matter, it's the wound that does

The wound is the point of the wound and nothing else

[strange kiln]

that's just tautological

[rigid wasp]

I use a wound on veteran because I already have 200 toughness and 150 health

[strange kiln]

and two wounds

[rigid wasp]

I don't need more health when I can just play around the already high base values

[strange kiln]

like i am saying this from the perspective of someone who has to get people up a lot. i almost never prefer a teammate with an additional wound

[rigid wasp]

Veteran is a class good enough that it justifies spending a slot on a wound

[strange kiln]

okay this is getting a bit fuzzy if i can be frank

[rigid wasp]

And who's saying you'll have to get people up a lot just because they have wounds?

Wounds aren't playing to fail

[strange kiln]

well, if not then neither HP nor wounds matter, and they could be running stamina

we are asking for the situations where the curios are relevant, which are better

[rigid wasp]

Yeah, sure, you might see people running wounds and dying, but that doesn't mean that people who run wounds will die

[strange kiln]

well, okay i'm going to challenge that

[rigid wasp]

I run the wound on vet and hardly ever need it

[strange kiln]

in fact, the people running wound go down when their hp reaches the quality between not running HP and running HP

[rigid wasp]

When I do need it, it's good to have because I'm the lifeline of the team against elite crowds

[strange kiln]

if you are the lifeline of the team, wouldn't it be better to stave off getting knocked? if you go down you are going to lose

[rigid wasp]

Yeah, I can just wave my hand and be immortal

I mean, I can, but I find that feat bullshit so I don't use it

[strange kiln]

well, no but you can have additional HP to prevent going down

[rigid wasp]

The HP isn't magical

[strange kiln]

no, it's roughly 21% max

[rigid wasp]

If a trapper pulls me into a crowd because I dodged poorly, I'm not going to be saved by a single HP curio

[strange kiln]

no, that's absolutely true. if you are routinely in a situation where you take, say, 121% damage or more between medicaes, the HP curio won't do very much for you

well

[rigid wasp]

If a dog pounces me and enemies start attacking, the HP curio isn't guaranteed to put me just exactly on the line where it prevents me from dying

[strange kiln]

when you get up you'll have more HP

and if you die and are revived you will have a lot more HP

[strange kiln]

but, invert this

if you are in a crowd via a trapper, now you are reliant on your team's competency to survive

you are, like i say, offloading the responsibility. and if they fail then you gained nothing from the wound

[rigid wasp]

I don't have a use for yet another HP curio on my build because I already have more than enough HP and the situations in which I do get my HP drained enough to justify yet another HP curio will be the situations in which I'd have died anyway

[strange kiln]

i can't stress enough how i am not arguing for running HP, just comparing HP and wounds. what you are saying is "i have enough HP, and also, i need this curio that gives me extra HP assuming my team is competent"

[rigid wasp]

Okay, and the opposite of getting caught by a trapper is not getting caught by a trapper and believing to be a literal god at the game who makes no mistakes?

Jesus, I'm not saying anything about the extra HP from wounds

Ever

I already specifically stated that I don't care about the HP

[strange kiln]

i am going to again challenge that. wounds and HP are the same resource, just distributed in a less efficent way. your HP bar is a bar of HP, regardless of how it is divided

[rigid wasp]

Hardly

Wounds and HP fulfill different purposes that some refuse to understand because all they see is "it's still a health bar"

[strange kiln]

incidentally this is the exact same reasoning that leads to people using wounds for grims and disadvantaging themselves

where you are calculating it based on how big the bar is, rather than your HP total

[rigid wasp]

I thought grim corruption was a percentage

[strange kiln]

nope

all sources of corruption except wounds are flat, always

[rigid wasp]

Yet another thing the game fails to communicate, unsurprisingly

[strange kiln]

wounds are the only time percentage matters at all

[rigid wasp]

Specially after grimoires in Vermintide 2 being percentage-based

[strange kiln]

couldn't tell ya, i barely played that game

[rigid wasp]

I took it from there and assumed they wouldn't do something as weird as making it a flat number

[strange kiln]

i don't say this to be antagonistic or anything but corruption is another example of you know, hp is hp. corruption is more or less HP that starts at the top, and as such running more HP helps in the linear fashion you'd expect, although there are some weird externalities

like, if you take a fight at 1 hp with a BoN, you can take all your health as corruption without losing almost any functionality

[pearl palm]

I always had grim corruption stop after 100 damage dealt, which is enough to passively set non Ogryns down to their last wound just by passive damage alone, so i always pressumed it had a internal cap on how much it can deal, so that it wouldn't be capable of setting you down to 1 HP and be instant killed because of some mobs being able to damage your health trough your toughness...

[woeful root]

probably just games ending before your health got fully corrupted

[strange kiln]

nope. it will bring you down to 1, afaik. weirdly demonhosts have a cap, i found that out when helping people with the psyker penace

the sheildgryn will get to like 33 or so and stop

[rigid wasp]

I don't think I mentioned corruption for wounds anyway, because, well, I already said the only point I make for wounds is the wound

As much as I didn't know about corruption mechanics, I also said nothing on them anyway

[strange kiln]

it was what started this conversation

[rigid wasp]

And it's what I haven't touched on

[pearl palm]

someone had the argument piece, wondering if wounds would help against corruption

[strange kiln]

but again it's relevant because it's all the same mechanic. most of the time hp ain't nothing but a number and it only matters at 0, and as such all routes to prevent it from getting there are equally valid

[rigid wasp]

It's only maybe antagonistic if it comes from how I was talking about wounds helping with corruption, but I just didn't, so it's whatever

[strange kiln]

or, equally are trying to do the same thing

here let me play devil's advocate for a second

let me talk about some scenarios where wounds are good, compared to HP

rollover is the biggest one

[rigid wasp]

HP stops mattering when your last wound is used

[pearl palm]

Datz why uz da boss, boss

[rigid wasp]

If you go down, you can be revived unless you ended up in one of the most inconvenient places possible while surrounded by 5 crushers

[pearl palm]

and there are no Ogryns capable of trampling those bigguns with their own might

[strange kiln]

rollover meaning, when you normally take x, where x is your HP value, you might instead take X+Y in the blow that killed you

or, it's better insurance against overwhelming defeat

[rigid wasp]

When someone goes down on my team, I flip the rescue dog switch and don't stop until the guy's up or definitely down

[strange kiln]

if i had 500 HP, and i'm fighting something that does 1000 damage a swing, it is not relevant if i have extra HP but it might be relevant that i have an extra wound, because of rollover

[rigid wasp]

If the guy goes down too much and is always somewhere on the map gathering plasteel while getting slammed by 2 scabs, that's one thing

When it's a competent player who made a mistake or had the game make a mistake for them, it's another

Even when I'm the person on the other side of the map getting plasteel I still plan on getting pounced by a hound

I'll go fight the hound in an open area instead of sitting still, for example

[strange kiln]

well i mean that's not an ideal example, because hounds deal corruption

as do one of the common walkers and trappers

they are designed to negate wounds

[rigid wasp]

I am not talking about that

I am talking about competent players still making mistakes or, worse, having the game make the mistake for them

I know I'm not immune to getting disabled while I'm on my own getting the funny plastic steel, so I already go there with a plan for making a rescue easier if I do get disabled

[strange kiln]

you get this very strange scenario sometimes when if a dog is biting you, HP is much better, but if a dog is biting you and a friend is hitting you at the same time, wounds could sorta kinda be better? if you die quicker? it's very marginal

well, like, other than mutants, all the disablers deal only corruption right? i think that's true

trappers hounds and bonbons work this way

[rigid wasp]

Seems to be the case

[strange kiln]

so you have to go down to like, the non-disabler part of the roster, ideally before the disabler has pushed you out of one of the zones where the wound does something, rather than working against you and/or doing nothing. this is what i mean when i say if you sit down and work out like, when is this doing something for me, when am i getting value from this investment

generally imo people trend away from wounds

because the RoI is quite poor

[rigid wasp]

I refuse to believe I'm not speaking English, honestly

[rigid wasp]

In the words of my own person:

Anyway, bye

[lapis spindle]

Toughness regen speed what is it explain

is it coherency regen?

is it more toughness on kill?

i have 90%

[pearl palm]

partially tied to it, it increases the speed you regenerate it while in coherency

[lapis spindle]

so i should not have that much lol

i never get my toughness back on coherency or i never notice it

[pearl palm]

it helps overall but it doesn't really do much if you are in melee range to hostiles

[lapis spindle]

so should i change one to like combat regen?

[tough solar]

its pretty invaluable for ranged firefights.

[woeful root]

I'd say it's one of the better curio perks

[pearl palm]

its a neat little tech piece you can add in, its def worth having

[tough solar]

the combat regen doesn't give enough to be worth it

[woeful root]

depending on your class

[lapis spindle]

veteran

i learned that gunner resist is only for the special gunners so i took them off

specials never hit me lol

[tough solar]

you can keep up your ult indefinitely with counterfire

[lapis spindle]

yea i have that

[pearl palm]

with having up to 300+ potential toughness, having more ways to generate your lifeblood is solid choice

[lapis spindle]

im conflicted

[lapis spindle]

i do lol

i might do like bomber resist or tox flame resist then

they hit me more than mutants and dogs and gunners

[woeful root]

though coherency regen is flat so the regen is going to be relatively small on vet

[tough solar]

you could try going into stamina regen, sprint efficiency or block efficiency to help you move quicker and do better in melee

[lapis spindle]

thats a good idea

thanks

im a god at melee

[tough solar]

don't sell yourself short

[lapis spindle]

more stamina would be nice

[pearl palm]

honestly bomber and flamer damage resist feels a bit jank at times, against toughness its terrible because you always loose toughness when exposed to their flames, ironically good for Zealot who wants to regen their toughness back on demand tho

[lapis spindle]

ima do stamina and see how i like it

thankjs

[pearl palm]

its more or less offers more resilience against their damage to your HP then toughness which is there to shield your HP from harm

[strange kiln]

stamina regen owns

toughness regen is best on ogryn but i like it on zel and vet too, mostly as a QoL thing

[lapis spindle]

nice i put 12% on it

[strange kiln]

i want to say stamina regen and toughness regen work differently, in that stamina regen also influences the time it takes for the regen to start, and toughness regen does not even though it is supposed to?

[lapis spindle]

lame

anyway ima try this

[strange kiln]

bomber regen if i am not mistaken is still bugged to only influence the bombers kick

resist, rather

so if you find yourself getting into 1v1 no items final destination fights with them a lot i guess

[glossy solstice]

i find that flamer resistance just like, is kinda mute. it only really matters if there's something actively forcing you into the flames - at which point, you're probably going down either way

same with mutant/hound, mutant only does considerable damage if you're out of toughness, in which case there's probably something that's also going to damage you while you're hit, and if you're taking serious hound damage, you're probably not getting rescued in time

[strange kiln]

sorry do you mean it's too quiet to matter?

[pearl palm]

ye, wish there was more nuance to it, some perks just feel like deliberate dump stats to clog up the rng for good perks

[glossy solstice]

certainly

huh

the correct spelling is moot

thats a new one

[strange kiln]

ooooohhhhh that makes more sense

yeah as in a moot point

english goofy

[glossy solstice]

truly

[strange kiln]

reads like a cow sneezing

[glossy solstice]

yeah. there's obviously better perks like toughness/health that will give you results so long as youre getting hit by something

[strange kiln]

the worst is for sure +XP

[glossy solstice]

and stuff like gunner and sniper resistant which is so incredibly more useful than all the other damage resistances its just sad

[strange kiln]

which like, everyone from an intuitive perspective goes "this won't do anything at 30" which is both true and fair

[glossy solstice]

sprint efficiency is your hipster perk "no dude im really good i just slide everywhere and dont take damage"

and then everything else is kinda class specific. toughness regen is incredible good on ogryn, veteran kinda needs stamina regen and maybe block efficiency

etc

[strange kiln]

but what they don't know is that if you got +XP on the microsecond you could, so at level like 6, 12 and 24 or something like that

you save one game

or some equally comically tiny number

[glossy solstice]

oh boy

[strange kiln]

it's fucking terrible for leveling too!

[glossy solstice]

if only you had the money or resources at low levels to actually buy enough curios for that to have any impact at all

[strange kiln]

in every set something is going to be the worst, i do understand that, the magic R and D team have made about a million articles hammering that point home

it is impossible to make all the options equally good, so you are going to have a best and worst in slot, etc etc

but come the fuck on +XP doesn't do anything, at any level, ever

i think the only time it's good is if you only play lower difficulties

[glossy solstice]

even then wouldnt you be getting less return

[pearl palm]

Its just rng clutter the moment you reach lvl 30 after all

[glossy solstice]

since the total extra exp earned from your curio is less than on higher ones

[strange kiln]

right but it's more granular, so you'd be saving more than one game

maybe

[glossy solstice]

but at that point youre also playing more anyways

[tough solar]

i mean, we still get xp at lvl 30 for no reason, like it couldn't just be translated to extra money or craft mats. After every match you get an xp screen that is functionally worthless at 30

[glossy solstice]

just add prestige levels or smth

this game tracks what kinda missions you complete and how many anyways

[strange kiln]

it's obviously supposed to do something, function TBA

fuckin feels great shitting them into the void until then

[glossy solstice]

curios are a holdout from when they planned to make perk rerolling cost more with each attempt

there's some obvious 'dead perks' on there, there's no way to buy them en masse via brunt's armory

and getting a good one is a byzantine fucking mess

[pearl palm]

I think back before you had guaranteed drops from missions, one could justify exp perks for drop farming if you could earn gear from leveling up past lvl 30, much like you can in Vermintide 2 with the Commnedation Chests, but we instead have a bit of a different reward system here that gives us different quality gear depending on the difficulty we played on.

[glossy solstice]

because you can have a like 71 base rating +3 stamina and a 76 one

and for some reason those 5, functionally useless extra rating points have an impact on the tier of perk you roll on the curio

[rigid wasp]

🧠

gamemdesing

[strange kiln]

the curio grind is by a wide margin the worst part of the itemization

[glossy solstice]

the best way to grind curios imo is to just grind matches until you've got a suitably large amount of emperor's gifts to choose from

[strange kiln]

wide margin. the weapon grind has always been swingy, curios is just awful. i don't know if there is blessing weighting, sample too small, but someone exported their reroll until rarity results and it seems like there's weighing on perks at least

i always buy from store and level up, cause i want max utility and getting that from milk or emps is fuckin impossible

[glossy solstice]

so long as you're playing damnation you'll get a decent one (as in, good base with 2 usable perks after you reroll)

[pearl palm]

Wish we had the ability to either re-roll or upgrade Curios main blessings, rather then being left out as the exception... Have at least 2-3 of them on a couple of characters together who would love it those main blessings were complimenting their builds more...

[strange kiln]

god do i have so many god tier wounds over my characters, lol

[glossy solstice]

i delete every wounds curio i get

[strange kiln]

they might make em good

[pearl palm]

got so many wounds on me i lost count...

[glossy solstice]

i havent used them since i got to level 30 and could actually buy half decent base stats curios

i turn them into dockets so that i may fuel my incessant desire to grind far too many weapons

[strange kiln]

like it wouldn't take a ton to make them more viable, just something else that interacts with corruption on a percentile instead of flat basis would make them more relevant

like a lot of things in this game they're just a bit undertuned, particularly with the stupid hp curio revive bug

[glossy solstice]

if corruption damage had an additional timer for bleeding through 1 wound to the next extra wounds would be kinda useful for grims runs

instead of counterintuitively worse in some cases

[strange kiln]

oh yeah that might work, like a barrier where you need to get hit for a big chunk of corruption or wear it down over time

[glossy solstice]

yeah

originally when i bought this game i though wounds worked like health bar segments in AC:BF ship combat

[pearl palm]

I do also want other main blessings to be able to reach their fullest potential, notably HP and Toughness since for some reason, Stamina has always had its max 3 while Wounds always offer one "extra life"...

[glossy solstice]

so you could only lose a wound's worth of health in one go or something

[strange kiln]

the only thing i can think that interacts with wounds on a percent basis is blowing yourself up, which is always 100%

er hp rather

like, imagine if psyker could instead take a wound rather than blowing up

shit that actually rules

like, something where you pay a wound worth of hp to do something

that would make them more relevant

[pearl palm]

Psyker could always use their class skill to auto pass their peril test

Honestly would be cool to have some special conditions that's directly inspired by the chaos gods themes, for Khorne you can have friendly fire on and you restore HP from melee kills while using warp damage abilities applies some corruption damage, while Tzeentch corruption increases warp damage dealt but enemies have a small chance to transform into another hostile, with an even rarer chance of becoming a chaos spawn. just to name a few.

[strange kiln]

what if a zealot ability, that lets you go HRRRRRNG and self flagelate and get the effect of having been knocked

like if you're at 2 hp and then use it, you would gain back all your HP less one wound, which would be corrupted

kind of like a conditional self revive

[pearl palm]

would be an interesting class ability for one of the Zealots potential classes in the future, it would greatly incentivize players to invest into having as many wounds they can have so they can use their class ability more for meatier self heals.

[strange kiln]

right, exactly. the leaked class has something to with corruption

[pearl palm]

with diminishing returns of course

and i think that it could play well fluff wise into what happened post Archs of Omen, even the emperors most faithful did end up on a blood crazed rampage from Khorne's influence during that entire event.

[keen palm]

does teammate's melee/ranged kill of scab/dregs also contribute to melk's contracts?

[strange kiln]

yes

or at least, last i checked

[pearl palm]

think they used to, or they still do, most of the time if i have melee challenges from melk, go a little Karneth and claim skulls for Hadron, she wants more of em for servitor skulls after all...

and with range, i get my shootiest shoota that would make orks blush with the amount of dakka they can put out

[onyx shuttle]

thoughts? i know my perks are 10/10 but im kinda screwed on blessings i feel

[grave briar]

Is there any way to tell which mission type you're missing for penances for Heresy difficulty?

I'm at 6/7 and cant determine

[wraith fossil]

on the mission board you see green medals

each stripe is a difficulty

[grave briar]

Yes, but if you've completed a mission on a different character, it's useless, it doesn't display properly

[wraith fossil]

oh then i dunno

[grave briar]

I finally got it, I just had to replay each mission type on that char lol

[wraith fossil]

nice lol

[pliant willow]

Never done this before

so

how do I make it 20% damage vs flak

[pearl palm]

You go to Hadron and ask her to "refine perk", the second option she offers, then select the perk you want to reroll and accept, then repeat rolling til you get the stat you want

[pliant willow]

ok so I can reroll as many times as I want? @pearl palm

without it locking

[pearl palm]

the selected perk gets locked so you have to decide which one to keep and select the one you want to reroll

[pliant willow]

And I don't need to have flak 20% on another item for it to select?

that's only with blessings

?

[pearl palm]

the lockout system is for both, you pick the perk, either your ranged weakspot damage or damage against infested and roll for another stat

with blessings you pick which one to replace

with more direct choice over which blessing you want from the collection you have

[fluid flare]

Yes, you reroll perks with a random one, but you replace blessings with one you've already collected.

[pliant willow]

aight

and now to find a tier 4 what?

for my voidstrike

[coral violet]

transfer peril T3-4

as long as there are enemies you can spam charged attacks

wont help with armor just deletes hordes without quelling

[opaque belfry]

looking for help with "make every shot count", anyone up to carry a little?

[azure siren]

Any advice on how to modify this hammer?

This is for a Zealot btw

I also need to learn how to use this hammer but

[azure siren]

I guess what should replace Hammerblow at least?

Oh, Thrust and Slaughter, which is better?

[fervent ridge]

You need both

those are the two BiS blessings for th

Thrust, if you for some reason can only get 1

Perks for Thammer are Unyielding (priority) and Maniac

if you have access to T4 Thrust, maniac can be replaced by Carapace or Flak

Unyielding and Thrust are non negotiable because you need the combination of those to actualize your boss-nuking which is the th's entire role

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1105143923816546314/080523_Chasm_Logistratum_when_two_Thrust_IV_Zealots_meet_in_T5.mp4

Happy Hammerin'

[azure siren]

I can only replace one on this hammer lol

[keen palm]

poxwalkers dont count as dregs for melk's contracts? then what are dregs and what are scabs?

[azure siren]

Dregs are the yellow ones that're a little better then poxwalkers, scabs are the black ones that often have green eye things

[bitter wraith]

How to git gud?

[frosty crag]

so is the meta bolter Pinning Fire+ Cavalcade or Pinning Fire + Shattering Impact?

[feral gust]

Penance: 20 dodges without taking damage. .. consecutively right?

[pearl palm]

by memory, i think you have to dodge 20 attacks with the same dodge, so get 20 groaners/poxwalkers to flail at you at once

[feral gust]

I did 15x, and I don't remember doing it.. but I can't seem to do 5 without getting hit these days.

[pearl palm]

had that experience back i also had trouble figuring out what it meant, first i though it was dodging consecutive attacks but then i got it after 20+ mobs attacked at once while i was dodging, if it said consecutive attacks then it would say so.

don't really dodge that often lately, most things tend to die before they land a good hit in for me these days.

[feral gust]

EXACTLY I rarely dodge anymore. They either do too much damage or you tank it.

How can you dodge 20 attacks.. There are literally 10 'slots' around you that can be filled by poxwalkers.
And enemies 'block movement', so you'd have to be a zelly/ogryn rush - and that wouldn't be dodging.

[pearl palm]

some mobs try to lean forward with their attacks, so their bodies doesn't directly block the others from reaching out as well, its weird, basically you pretty much need to dodge the first wave of attacks while the other 10 mobs begin to reach out with theirs, i think...

it was so long ago i got it so i lost complete interest into trying to explore it further

[feral gust]

dammit - I've been playing purg so long I forgotten what it's like to get trashmob to close to me from the front

[pearl palm]

that could be the issue, trying to break up the preferable combat range from close-mid range to melee range is rough to get back into. We all end up a bit rusty over time.

[feral gust]

Then there's the teammates - asking them not to shoot a horde.
Some of these penances are so anti-play and ridiculous.

• ask your teammates not to shoot the horde.
• call your teammate a slur on voice
• run through a game without attacking once.

Looks like I'm gonna have to deliberately let the horde into VigilStationOblivium bridge stage..
This is gonna surprise the team.. and I'll probably get only one shot per run.

Hmm, maybe if I don't play psyker, I'll get the opportunity to get upclose.

[left skiff]

i personally find shooting the horde a waste of ammo. mixed hordes fire away, but theres no need to waste ammo if you can just left click on melee

[rigid wasp]

Even the newer penances are a bit eh

"Stun a billion enemies with grenades", like they didn't expect people to farm the penance and be encouraged to just dump the stun grenades on a random crowd that is of no threat

[rigid wasp]

Nah, that'd require the planets to align in such a way that I think might be genuinely impossible

It's consecutively, so just spamming dodges with a force sword until it happens

[rigid wasp]

would anybody be willing to help me get "just a flesh wound" penance?

[hasty pulsar]

Pretty much all of the new penances feel like "just play the game and eventually you'll get a reward". I liked the old ones because they were actually challenges, but still totally doable.

[left skiff]

i dont think spamming works since if you dodge and don't dodge an attack its no longer consecutive

normally you bait the attacks and wait for the animation or sound

[rigid wasp]

I got mine by spamming

[left skiff]

you might have just had enough attacks in a few dodges

[rigid wasp]

Well, yeah

[left skiff]

i spammed for a long time and i never got it until i slowed down

its easier if youre dodging a horde on your own since there wont be people to interrupt the attacks being dodged

[left skiff]

a lot of them required you to play badly or required your team to cooperate

[rigid wasp]

I never understood a lot of the complaints people have about old penances, like "oh but I can't join randoms and tell them I'm doing a penance that vastly changes the way they play the match because that inconveniences them"

It's like... then just play with a group?

Problem solved?

It's like people were allergic to just talking to people to do the penances

[left skiff]

most people quickplay, and i doubt many people play in full premades.

i play premade all the time but its not generally 4

its more that people didn't like their quickplay matches being sabatoged by people farming penances

[rigid wasp]

They have in-game chat, a lobby, the Discord, the Steam forums, and they think they're forced into doing penances with 3 random people

[left skiff]

since they required suboptimal play, like not shooting or not having health

[rigid wasp]

Well, that is the fault of people looking at the penances and going "I'm going to do this with 3 unaware people"

Helping people get pick and mix in a premade was pretty fun and it was interesting seeing people coordinate takedowns for it

[left skiff]

you're assuming they were unaware rather than unconsenting lol

[rigid wasp]

Same difference

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah, but now I run damnation confidently for the simple fact that I spent a lot of time trying to get "flesh wound". Dead time counts against you, so you have to STAY ALIVE at low health.

Forcing you to learn mechanics

[rigid wasp]

Hell, before I cheesed and they nerfed the 100% accuracy penance, I did it playing normally on a random heresy by missing 2 shots

Well, "did" it

Would've done if it I didn't miss, but you get the idea

[tough solar]

holy moly have people really circled around on the old penances already?

[hasty pulsar]

They were actually challenging and force you to get better.

[rigid wasp]

Meanwhile some people start shitting themselves about lining up a shot for 5 full seconds just to be sure it'll hit, like come on

[hasty pulsar]

Just use a revolver lmao

[rigid wasp]

A lot of the difficulty ended up being self-inflicted

[tough solar]

making me run 40 metres with bullrush isn't "forcing me to get better". It's incredibly arbitrary.

[rigid wasp]

The psyker monstrosity one was how people already play, except that after the team cleans up the enemies around the boss, they just don't shoot the boss

[tough solar]

same for staying in coherency with an ally for an entire match

[hasty pulsar]

I feel like it's more that the people who didn't see an issue with them are now vocal

[tough solar]

that's very fair.

tbh there were ones that could be considered good challenges, but a lot of them had incredibly low margins of error and actively discouraged working together to finish the mission.

They are still there as optional challenges and I do appreciate that some of them have been given a greater margin for completion.

[hasty pulsar]

Neither does "charge at 40 ranged enemies with chastise the wicked". @left skiff how's that for making people play suboptimally

[tough solar]

I'm not arguing that the new ones are any better

just that the old ones still suck

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah it just came to mind. Idk, I liked most of them. I really only play veteran and zealot though. Doing the old penances made me feel like I was pushing to get better.

I can see how some of them are not that tough

[tough solar]

brainbursting 90% of a bosses health isn't making you play better

[hasty pulsar]

That was exactly what I had in mind

[tough solar]

tbf a lot of the old challenges have had adjustments made through other games changes like upped ogryn spawns for heavyweight champion and psyker buffs for pick n mix.

they were a lot worse before these changes

[hasty pulsar]

Idk tho I once saw a psyker loopdeeloop a beast of nurgle for five minutes on damnation because instead moving with the rest of us, he ran backwards.

[tough solar]

iirc the beta version of the zealot heresy penance was to do a mission in under 10 mins rather than 20

[hasty pulsar]

Honestly? Hab dreyko. When I finally came in here to ask for help, we cleared hab dreyko in about 11 minutes and stood at the evac for an extra five to fill the timer for low health time

[tough solar]

was that with the skip?

[hasty pulsar]

Skip?

[tough solar]

there was a skip on hab dreyko to avoid the first scan section

[tough solar]

my point isn't to say if it's possible or not, it's more to highlight the expectations of these challenges.

[hasty pulsar]

To the best of my knowledge, we just ran it. It may or may not have been low intensity. Idr

Yeah, I get you. I'm just saying that about half of the old ones were solid, but the whole new batch feels half-assed

Imo

[rigid wasp]

Get X headshot kills, then I look at my hands and I have a hard-hitting BFG that doesn't even headshot ogryns on charged shots

I think there's a zealot one to get crit kills on stunned enemies?

[tough solar]

yeah no shit, how am I supposed to pick up 40 teammates if my teammates never go down

[hasty pulsar]

I'll go down for you

Wait

[tough solar]

how am I supposed to kill 4 elites in a row with boxes if someone kills an elite as I throw a box

[rigid wasp]

Like, "get this specific zealot build to do the thing they expect you to complete as you play the game", as if every player will not only stray away from the trademarked stuff like thunder hammer, eviscerator and heavy sword, but do so into a crit build that nearly always uses knife or tactical axe

[hasty pulsar]

I think I saw today that the grenades that pop out with the feat count

And also ogyrn grenade launcher counts

[rigid wasp]

Provided they don't get told to not do crit builds because it's easier to just grab the bro moment combat axe

Maybe I'm just weirded by it because I'm not used to long term goals

[tough solar]

I'm aware but that isn't what the challenge says.

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah. Fatshark can't read

[hasty pulsar]

I am unbothered. I keep a few off meta weapons that rolled well just for fun. Change up the runs every so often.

[rigid wasp]

Same tbh

It's how I got into gun psyker

And the FUCKING INSANE laspistol

pew pew.

[hasty pulsar]

Laspistol is low key fun as hell. Revolver is fun for sick iron sight counter snipes

[hasty pulsar]

If you still need this in about two hours, I can help after I get out of work.

[grizzled panther]

You can use the rumbler to complete this instead of boxes.

[tough solar]

#gameplay-help message

[grizzled panther]

To answer your question. Start again.

[tough epoch]

Damn

I wish i knew this before I got the penance

[grizzled panther]

Lol ikr i did half of it before i tried rumbler , to do it as its written you have to pounce on them grenades.

[tough epoch]

Lmao yeah i did the box because it said EXACTLY to use that

I hovered over the grenade box feat on the main tab page just to be sure too but i guess I was the fool 😔

[grizzled panther]

I was trying to race another ogryn to the grenade ammo. Before i remembered someone said in ogryn chat earlier in the day you could use rumbler. 🤣🤦‍♂️

[feral gust]

YES: I got the 20x Dodge penance!

• used mod: "tap2dodge" (doubletap instead of accidental jump)
• used SCAB/DREG BRUISER as opponent (poxwalkers move too jankily to predict)
• "Power Matrix HL-17-36"('Repair') mid-section(with cogitators) and hid in mid-level away from others

@pearl palm It was serial dodges, not concurrent dodges.
Clue was in this video EnclavumBaross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swjngWLDr8Y

[sudden inlet]

how would you guys say a T5 Damnation with low intensity pairs up to a regular t4 heresy?

[rigid wasp]

Low intensity is much easier, I feel

The enemy density helps a lot more than the health each enemy has

[fervent ridge]

Low 5 is as easy as Malice

there are barely a thousand enemies

Decreased volume and frequency of specialist spawns also make it really chill

Regular 4 is definitely harder because of pacing

[left skiff]

low is definitely not as easy as malice, the special and elite cap is significantly higher as well as the hp and damage

if you throw a malice player into a low 5, they would struggle with the elite packs. probably even clearing trash adds if they aren't playing with meta gear since you can run anything in malice and it will work without effort

[craggy terrace]

When you extract a blessing can you apply it to multiple weapons or do you need to get it again every time?

[woeful root]

blessings that have been earned can be applied an infinite amount of times as long as you have the plasteel and diamantine

the only limitations on applying blessings to a weapon is that the blessing must have been earned from a weapon belonging to the same family (e.g., Combat Axes (Rashad, Achlys, Antax) share blessings with each other but do not share blessings with Tactical Axes. Voidstrike blessings are not shared with Trauma. etc.)

[pearl palm]

grats at getting it at last

[odd sparrow]

Just about the difficulty of low int dam I would say it's on par with heresy or low int heresy.
Even low int heresy is much harder than hi int malice if you don't play heresy or dam.
Your playstyle basically evoles when you jump from malice to heresy or you just die and wipe endlessly since you can't just trade hits or stand in the open with out sliding into cover or into the gunners.

Once you can clear heresy a few times damnation is a easy jump while malice to heresy is a big difficulty spike

[strange kiln]

malice to heresy is mostly just a slide check, tbh

[opal idol]

guys, want to do "gone bowling" with 70 knocked targets, are 1st difficulty maps ok for that? or damnation, with higher horde counts? (don't have too much experience with damnation, afraid to ruin games)

[strange kiln]

what i did was i waited until i got ultra infinite horde and got it by accident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6oFXsnS7H4 you see me getting it here

you can tell how broken it is by keeping an eye on the FPS count, you see it drops from my usual 90ish to like, 30 or lower by the time the server dies

if you play a lot it will happen eventually

[azure siren]

Yo, need some more help, this gun workable for a Sharpshooter?

[strange kiln]

the revolver are pretty undertuned overall

i wouldn't recommend it, but if you wanna revolver ocelot it up

i think those are the good blessings, i know speedload is

oh god the damage score lol

[azure siren]

Haha

But hey, I can shoot through god itself

[azure siren]

Hmm, I’ll wait for the revolver to be tuned higher before I use it, guess it’s back to the shotty for me

[shell robin]

is this workable with ?

[warm nebula]

You will get higher-quality weapons very soon. Don’t expect to carry this one for a long time

[strange kiln]

when i was leveling i only took stuff to blue

[shell robin]

ok i know i get better stuff soon but i still don't know if i should use it or not

i guess i just use it

[rigid wasp]

The blessings are meh and the damage is low, don't grab it

[strange kiln]

u are learning by doing, if it's your first character. don't worry about it, go nuts

no respite is a good one on it, it does damage

[azure siren]

Huh, got it

[strange kiln]

do one small shot and then a bigger one

i thought speedload was unironically BIS

revolver blessings suck ass

yeah all of these are rough

i can't remember what rending does, but speedload would look appealing to me with this set

[rigid wasp]

From what I tested, speedload doesn't work with dodge slides

[strange kiln]

nah only forward slides, but you wanna be doing that all the time anyway

even as ogryn it's good, although obv it's less good. the handful of times people have tried a lot of revolver in chats i recall speedload being favoured

[rigid wasp]

I use handcannon and crucian, though I don't remember how fast surgical stacks for it

Point blank is cool, but lasts too little for its requirement and doesn't synergize with deadshot well

The rest is ugh

[strange kiln]

crucian got nerfed fuckin, somehow?

like they looked at the game and went

the problem here is revolver is too good

[rigid wasp]

Revolver also needs the feats to work around its problems, and that's where tactical reload, deadshot and sustained fire come in

I also put ult cooldown on my curios to be able to do the funny reload as often as I can

[azure siren]

So no Run & Gun and Speedload for eternally charging at the enemy

[rigid wasp]

Sustained fire is the second most annoying thing they could put on the blessing pool

"Why yes, I'd like to dump this weapon with 5 shots on an enemy instead of aiming for the head"

It has a really annoying timing too

You almost have to mash the button because the recoil resets too fast

Also the benefit that I find very pleasing compared to spamming the MG12 like 90% of veterans:

It just has so much penetration to hunt enemies through hordes

[strange kiln]

honestly while i have seen a handful of utter fps god including a fucking godlike gunpsyker when it was terrible. but it just has so many limitations compared to the other options. it's v hard to do that, i sure couldn't

[azure siren]

But consider, bang bang shooty

Like all girls, I like to swirl my skirt and twirl my revolver

But ya, I sacrificed the revolver to get the Speedload Blessing, if it gets buffed I make grind one out shrug

[pure lodge]

Does anyone have an updated in-depth guide on the graphical/video settings for the game? All of the one's I've seen are 5+ months old and there have been some extra changes since then

[ivory totem]

are emeperor gifts capped still

?

[formal granite]

no

[keen palm]

is it me or are dregs relatively harder to find than scabs, across any difficulty

[crude stream]

is One In The Chamber fixed yet?

[steel wing]

Since shop doesn't sell gold weapons and day shop kinda expensive , how i get gold weapons ? farming lvl5 mode?

[neat jacinth]

Melk, Emperor's Gifts and by consecrating weapons through Hadron.

[steel wing]

so what is most optimize way tho ? does is harder the mode is better the drop?

im 24 zealot now , play most on heresy , have purple drop now and then but gold is not much

[tough solar]

i'd just wait until you're lvl 30 and focus on trying to buy weapons from the shop with the highest base modifier totals.

Once you get to lvl 30, aim to get weapons with good base modifiers and upgrade them to get good perks/blessings.

A gold weapon is no stronger than a purple one with the same stats, it just has one more blessing, which may or may not make it more powerful depending on what blessing it is.

[scarlet oasis]

Hi i would have some advice with a penance

[rigid wasp]

Aaaand which one is it?

[azure siren]

Yo, what Blessings are good on a Columnus MK 2 Braced Autogun?

[rigid wasp]

Dumdum is the patrician taste and I personally like sustained fire because it still works with dumdum and makes firing in bursts more effective

[azure siren]

Speedload good on it?

[rigid wasp]

I don't like it, but I seem to be the minority on that from what I talked with other people

[keen palm]

what? so the same blessing on one weapon on one class won't be unlocked and available for rebless on a different weapon of a different class?

I was thinking that the momentum IV from a zealot's thunderhammer could be reused for an ogryn's cleaver
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits?query=momentum

[woeful root]

blessings are shared across accounts/classes but not between different weapon families, so your thunderhammer's t4 momentum is not transferable to your ogryn's cleaver

[rain dew]

do the blessings on a curio increase in stats if you consecrate it?

[keen palm]

doesn't seem like it

[gray swan]

how do I install mods

[rare lintel]

Hi. If I quit the game, the penance "flawless execution" reset?

[finite plaza]

really dumb question but can you still cheese the make every shot count penance by alt f4 and joining back in ?

[celest prairie]

I have noticed that in some missions, the purple bar gradually increases over time. What does the purple mean and, why does it gradually increase?

[woeful root]

your team probably picked up a grimoire

the purple is Corruption, which basically decreases your max HP and prevents your health from refilling as much from medpacks; Any existing health is also removed when corrupted

Corruption is incurred from attacks by Infested enemies (Poxwalkers, Poxbursters, Poxhounds, all Monstrosities), from Grimoires (which inflict x amount of corruption every few seconds), or from being downed (which fills the current non-corrupted segment of HP with corruption)

[celest prairie]

Ok

I wish the corruption has a limit because it has killed me a few times

[woeful root]

yeah, it's basically a time limit

esp on Veterans and Psykers

best you can do is hope to move through a mission quickly

[celest prairie]

Yea

[woeful root]

since your health already gets ticked down, you can be a little less careful about hit-trading

[celest prairie]

What's hit-trading?

[woeful root]

just a broad term for hitting an enemy at the cost of taking a hit from them

[celest prairie]

Ok

Thought so, just wanted to make sure

[feral gust]

Does anyone know how much damage does 1x stack of Soulblaze does?

[woeful root]

from here, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959, in section '5. Class Mechanics, Part 2'

[feral gust]

Wait.. What kind of Primaris beast can deliver 30 stacks of soulblaze.

[woeful root]

Wrack & Ruin and Ascendant Blaze are able to stack up to 31 stacks

[keen palm]

what specifically is a chained attack? using a specific attack type within X seconds? like 2 light attacks in 5s?

trying to figure this out for trauma staff's secondary

[feral gust]

SoulBlaze4 Blessing feels like a waste.:
"Enemy gains 2-4 Stack(s) of Soulblaze on Critical Hit to a maximum of 10-12 Stack(s)."

You need 3x CRITICALS (5% chance) to get max 12 stacks.

• TrashMobs will die with 3x strikes from even an Illisi.
• Specialists (like Reapers) seem to deflect non-charged strikes.

[feral solstice]

is power cycler 4 any good or...

[fervent ridge]

It's the best you can get

Would definitely pick it up

[pliant willow]

You can't reroll for ever?

[formal granite]

does the cost not go down?

[pliant willow]

It goes down

[rigid wasp]

You should be able to reroll as many times as you want

I don't recall them changing it, so it could be bugged

[formal granite]

the cost should go down to 0 so idk what u mean by cant reroll forever