gameplay-help

[grave cave]

does this mean i need 3/3 scriptures or 2/2 grimoires six times? Because I just completed this zone under high intensity and 1/3 scriptures and got nothing.

[echo kiln]

My advice would be to reroll it immediately, but someone else in here will know for sure.

[grave cave]

apparently i hit my max rerolls despite it still showing me 7500 for reroll, it does nothing

[echo kiln]

I had a really hard time testing because the tracking for weeklies isn't consistent

[echo kiln]

Oh, yeah, that shit.

[grave cave]

yeah just wish i knew what secondary objectives meant

[heavy shuttle]

grims/scriptures

[echo kiln]

Yes, but do you need 2/2 or 3/3 or to just bring them back individually?

That's the question here.

[heavy shuttle]

3/3 from my testing.

Partial pickups only count to 'pick up x,y,' contracts.

[echo kiln]

Weeklies didn't track consistently enough for me to get a firm answer to give to psypsy. Thanks!

[heavy shuttle]

There does seem to be a delay. Whether hourly refresh or daily... not sure. I hadn't really bothered to narrow that search down.

[echo kiln]

There's sometimes a delay, it sometimes just loses it entirely, sometimes restarting the game helps. The situation's damn unreliable. Patch notes said they've identified root issues and are fixing them, though.

[heavy shuttle]

Not that you get anything worth value from the shop anyway.

I've had better luck on the cash shop.

[echo kiln]

I've had one(1) good Melk item to date.

[jaunty cobalt]

does brainburst count as headshot?

[echo kiln]

For the purposes of what? It flashes a weak point marker

[broken galleon]

I compared those to various 40k alphabets and it was just gibberish

[jaunty cobalt]

trying to do the serial killer penance

[echo kiln]

That would be really stupid, but I've never tested. I just did it with Vet.

[errant sand]

anyone else get right click buggin out, like aiming just goes in and out and blocking just deciding to not work?

[echo kiln]

That's probably your mouse, but maybe you're having a really unfortunate and rare bug.

[errant sand]

i saw reddit thread that some ppl had the issue but like only that thread

its really annoying :S

[edgy wedge]

I have a sneaking suspicion it wants to sell me on the grenade launcher

It’s given me two legendary emperors gift grenade launchers and a bunch of purple ones

And the shop is full of them, whilst finding myself a stub is nigh impossible

so, out of curiosity, is the single fire grenade launcher good at anything besides smacking snipers

[keen wedge]

Sometimes if I hold RMB (cleaver) block and use a sidebutton for special attacks, I’m stuck in RMB block.

[errant sand]

man seems like there are a bunch of mouse issues :S

[keen wedge]

Give it adhesive, shattering impact, +20% vs unyielding and maniac or carapace and it clears hordes

[edgy wedge]

pog thank you

[keen wedge]

Special attack sweep is great to clear space in a pinch

Also works for mass bleeding

[keen wedge]

Oh I forgot to mention. Unyielding and Adhesive work to kill most bosses with 600-1800 damage

600+ on weakspot direct hit, adhesive’s effect causes explosion to do another 600+

Crit for more

[keen wedge]

Quoted wrong msg but read up

[compact dagger]

Hi all. Is there anybody available to help me complete my ogryn penance : Heavy Weight & Friends will be Friends?

Im in Strike Team 58

[echo kiln]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum will point you to the right place to find teammates in your region. GLHF!

[rigid wasp]

Anyone else been getting 1 shot on veteran if meleed from anything from behind? Full health/toughness

[keen wedge]

What’s your level/equipment? Pretty sure there’s a penalty for being too undergeared depending on difficulty

Also what shot you

Sniper accidental headshot might do it

[rigid wasp]

Everythings over 400, I've played damnation on vet plenty of times ever though I do main zealot, it's just weird that a normal poxwalker meleeing me from the front won't do anything but if I get hit once in the back I'm instantly dead

[rigid wasp]

I have 300 hours in the game, it's definately a problem with vet atm.

[keen wedge]

Oh. That sounds like a bug BlubberTuna should fix

Not seeing vets get instant downed

But I main Ogryn so maybe Im dum

[rigid wasp]

Been happening all night, but it's seemingly random, it's not everytime, we had just spawned into a dam game after beating one, we were picking off trash at the bottom a single pox walker dropped behind me and fucking instantaneously downed me everyone was like what the fuck, and then the same game when they got me back up I turned my back on a single enemy to kill a shotgunner and instantly got killed, I think its got something to do with activating vets ALT but im not sure why.

Now I think about it it's everytime I've activated my alt....

[keen wedge]

Maybe. Edge cases happen a lot in this game

You taking Sharpshooter damage from poxies maybe

As in they get buffed too. XD

[rigid wasp]

Got 35% damage reduction from snipers, gunners etc though they take about a quatre of my health if I ever get shot by them which is rare (damnation)

I havent noticed it from damage from enemy fire arms only when meleed in the back after activating the old bastion combat stance

Instantly killed

[random fossil]

yes because i got the 20 heashot achievement with it

[echo kiln]

Wow. That's so dumb. What a workaround

[random fossil]

did it on accident going for a penance lmao

[jaunty cobalt]

wow really? imma try it out

[random fossil]

I will say idk if they changed it since i did it on 12/2

[jaunty cobalt]

done! thanks a lot

[twin swallow]

First time I have seen a full 380 stats item, pity the damage stats took the hit...

[brazen pier]

Do more crafting materials spawn more in harder difficulties? or is it the same on every difficulty

[twin swallow]

I think higher chance of resource spawns to be Plasteel at level 2 and below and more chance of being Diamantine at level 4 and above? And higher chance of being large bundles at higher difficulties. Don't quote me on that though, that's just what I noticed from my own gameplay

[brazen pier]

[hard goblet]

The proportions are different, but generally the overall amounts will be roughly the same from what I understand.

[mental canyon]

The weekly quest currency is it locked to that character or the account? If I had three characters would the currency combine or separate?

[hard goblet]

Per character.

[mental canyon]

Thanks

[deft agate]

anyone else familiar with the bug where your ammo counter maxes out at 999 so if you have 1000+ ammo it just shows the last 3 digits?

if i had 1030 ammo for example, it showed 030 and i thought i had none

also just had a bug in a private lobby (if that matters) where two people were using the hacking device at the same time

[hot reef]

whats the 3 arrows pointing down below certain missions mean

[deft agate]

what difficulty you have completed it on so far

[hot reef]

so if a mission doesnt have anything... the game doesnt think i've beaten it?

[deft agate]

since the update yesterday

[hot reef]

oh it didn't like carry over? ok

[echo kiln]

Yeah. That's a UI oversight or glitch.

[sage cave]

anyone have recs on which perk to dump here

[echo kiln]

Melee damage on pox/groan.

[sage cave]

guess it is miles from any breakpoint but is the latter that helpful either 🤔

[echo kiln]

I don't know elite HP values. They're out there, though.
The problem is neither perk is really that good.

[silver folio]

What would be a good weapon to aim for as a vet sharpshooter?

[echo kiln]

The standard is MG XII, which is my favorite.
Bolter also works, but is less versatile.
Recon VIIa also goes well.

[silver folio]

Still only at rank 8, any autoguns or lasguns that are particularly good until I get access to those?

[frail gyro]

Can you still get one classes' penance using a different one?

[echo kiln]

The XII is an early unlock, you've just been unlucky. The Ia or the heavy Braced autogun, the Mk VIII, are the next best things.

[silver folio]

Thanks

[hard goblet]

#gameplay-help message

[keen basalt]

now they should put some sort of tracker for the type of quests you complete for the penance 🤔

[last isle]

does this perk not heal health off of toughness damage?

[quick remnant]

Isn't it health ?

[heavy shuttle]

We're back to the post update crash fest I see.

[flint wind]

Question about Pox Hound, will "On Overwatch" mission fail if a Hound stumble me on its way to its prey, causing some health damage? People say it still count as melee damage

[heavy shuttle]

Yes. It failed the penance for me when pox hound aoe'd

[cosmic totem]

can anyone explain why the damage of the green axe beats the blue one ?

[hard goblet]

Yes.

[flint wind]

I see, this seems sucks. Even Muntant grabbing, smashing and throwing me way wont do health damage until it reaches threshold

[hard goblet]

First target, would be my assumption.

You should inspect the weapon with V and mouse over that stat bar.

Many weapons will have multiple damage affecting stats.

Not just the Damage stat bar.

[cosmic totem]

its always seemed that the number displayed is based purely on the 'dmg' stat, the rest is calculated as required

[hard goblet]

If you want an in depth explanation, the damage formulas are designed to account for multiple stats in most cases.

Like how Lasguns of the Kantrael line will have Stopping Power contribute to damage output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

The formula determines damage based on the value given by the Damage stat bar and also by a secondary stat.

The inspect menu helps show this somewhat.

[cosmic totem]

yeah ive seen that, just seemed very odd given its a single target weapon

only the first heavy attack is a sweep, lights are all single

only weapon i have where it looks so odd

[hard goblet]

Compared to the other axes, it actually has more sweeps.

So it has some hybridization for cleaving.

Though it's primarily still a single target weapon, I believe the intent with that variant was to offer some cleaving damage.

[cosmic totem]

true, i guess that 1 sweep must be influencing the dmg number

[hard goblet]

I think it's less that and more the First Target bar.

According to inspection, First Target determines your attack power against your first target. It's a multiplier.

Your damage is then multiplied by that proportion.

[cosmic totem]

yeah, but i mean, the first target having relevance due to the sweep i meant

[hard goblet]

Ahh.

Well, other axes have it too.

I think it's meant to account for the possibility you'll hit other enemies with an attack.

But since axes are primarily single target, they designed them to dump most of their damage onto the first thing they hit.

Assuming you'll be targeting heavy enemies.

Can you test them in the meat grinder?

[cosmic totem]

hmm, cheers, guess ill go test in meat grinder to see actual numbers

[bright tartan]

is this blessing as absurdly strong as I think it is on a bolter?

[cosmic totem]

Depends if killing them in 1 shit counts as staggered or not hehe, but, yeah looks brutal for firing into a crowd, shame its the worse gun to do so with.

[cosmic totem]

Looking at it, it does seem to be thst first target stat it's 9% higher (1.15 vs 1.06) having a bigger impact than the pure dmg one.

[flint wind]

This weapon perks are terrible imo. You should try getting one with +20-25% damage to Flak armour and Carchas armour

[cosmic totem]

Hmm, the first heavy attack 'sweep' is single target also on this axe lol

[bright tartan]

Oh I'm not gonna use it, I enjoy my Zealot with actually useful Zealot ranged weapons, I was curious as to theory behind it

[hard goblet]

I'd view it as the Damage bar provides the damage number that is then scaled via the xmultiplier provided by the First Target stat.

[cosmic totem]

Yeah

[hard goblet]

A somewhat interesting interaction that wouldn't be apparent at all at first glance.

[cosmic totem]

Just over looked that the first target had such a higher impact

[hard goblet]

Yeah, First Target is essentially a bottleneck for your Damage bar's effective output.

[harsh fern]

do zealot candles light up dark maps???

[bright tartan]

The additions and multipliers do cap at 100% though, from what I know

so at some point the numbers become moot

[cosmic totem]

Esoecualky when it says it only affects multiple hits

[echo kiln]

That's super good for wiping ogryn elites away. Bolter doesn't hit a lot of other targets enough for the stacking to matter too much

[hard goblet]

The max cap a bar can reach right now is 80%.

[hard goblet]

No. Their radius of light is very very dim/small.

[cosmic totem]

Not much any more

[bright tartan]

Which is where I'd need it the most, innit,

[bright tartan]

Bar yes, the overall dmg effects is what I mean

as in, Dmg 80 and First strike 80 would not add up to 160 percentage points, just total at 100

[hard goblet]

Ahh I see.

[harsh fern]

I just need them to light up my weapon animation if anything 🥲

[bright tartan]

thats oversimplifying, but the general gist of it

[echo kiln]

Yeah, it is.

I'd try to roll +% Unyielding as a perk, too, to cover your bases

[cosmic totem]

the cables light https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1985555063498890316/DF7D70E311B62FDBA3A6A25396F428CEF635A796/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[bright tartan]

as said above, not a fan of bolter on a zealot to begin with, but good to know the blessing works as I thought it would

[limber harness]

my game won't launch even tho steam said it launched.

[echo kiln]

#gameplay-help message

[opaque dawn]

any keybind option to hide UI?

[silent spruce]

what does mobility do on a melee?

nvm i googled it

[limber harness]

I appreciate it, but I found I had to UNcheck 'run as admin' to make it work. Some steam forums also verify that's what worked for them

[echo kiln]

Weird-ass game

[rustic moth]

Anyone know what that symbol means?

[echo kiln]

Difficulty beaten

There's a guide in here to them

[rustic moth]

@echo kiln Thank you

[neat jacinth]

I think so, IIRC enemies near your target will also get staggered, so if you shoot it into a group of enemies it should work

[unreal aurora]

What does error code 4008 mean?

Can’t seem to get into game rn

[echo kiln]

It's one of the server connection errors. You can usually brute force it into submission

[stoic scroll]

Indicates what the highest level of difficulty you have completed this mission type on is.

[raw moss]

do we know how the heal packs work? it seems to only be able to heal x amount of hp? or are enemies killing it? idk

[echo kiln]

They appear to have a limit in amount and time.

[hard goblet]

They have a set time limit they can be active and a set amount of HP they can heal overall. Whichever one is reached first causes it to deactivate.

[raw moss]

yeah thats about what i thought cause ive dropped it on teammates bleeding out and its almost insta gone

good to know cheers

[hard bluff]

What does "Defences" stat do on Power Maul?

[raw moss]

makes you cry that you dont have max damage

[hard goblet]

Have you tried inspecting the weapon?

[hard bluff]

🤨

[hard goblet]

If you press V and mouse over Defences

[echo kiln]

Hit V
Mouse over it

[hard bluff]

thanks so this stat has to do with stamina efficiency 🤔

[hard goblet]

Well, the pop up window should tell you it also affects things such as your sprint speed, dodge count, dodge distance, etc.

[raw moss]

oh i knew you could inspect but didnt realise mousing over actually explained each stat, thats dope

[echo kiln]

Sure is

[sturdy heart]

beside Blur is there any motion settings i should change? i see stuff blury for 1-2 days (while swinging the cleaver).

[sleek tangle]

which one is better? I watched a guide that said rating is better but the lower rating wargear seems better? please help xD

[hard goblet]

Well, firstly those are two entirely different weapons.

So how you're defining "better" is going to depend on what you want out of your primary.

They have different roles and do different things.

You're also not at level 30 yet, so the stats of a weapon are much less important.

What's more important while you're leveling is to get used to the characteristics and handling of a weapon. See which ones you like and which you don't.

[echo kiln]

Note the base stats, the number in line with Modifiers.

And also everything Pareidolia is saying

[hard goblet]

To evaluate a weapon, you would want to look at its base stats and the rating next to the stat bars.

Its base rating determines how many points it had to spend on the 5 stat bars.

High base ratings are preferred because that overall means there's more points to pour into the weapon.

Most weapons will have 2 stats that ultimately determine what its damage value would be.

"Damage" and then one other stat that varies depending on the weapon.

For lasguns as an example, "Damage" and "Stopping Power".

It's really helpful to press V and inspect a weapon. Mouse over the stat bars and you'll get more specific information about what they do.

[heavy shuttle]

@scarlet bronze welcome!

[scarlet bronze]

thanks

i aint ever going in general again jesus , any tips for first time playing

[heavy shuttle]

Try out each class, if you'd like. Kinda figure out what feels fun.

[hard goblet]

Understand that the game is complex and has a lot of nuance. Testing things in the meat grinder (training ground that unlocks at trust level 2) can really help you learn how weapons perform.

Looking at equipment in your inventory screen and pressing V to inspect them will tell you a lot about them.

[heavy shuttle]

I was trying to keep it simple but yeah... this too lol

[scarlet bronze]

is there a meta class ?

[hard goblet]

Doesn't work like that really.

[heavy shuttle]

Nope. Don't believe anyone who says otherwise. Every class is important and has a role in the team.

[hard goblet]

There's classes that are maybe performing weaker in some areas. But there's no such thing as one "meta" class.

[heavy shuttle]

Except psykers

I tease I tease

[hard goblet]

Every class has a role and missions can be cleared by any combination of classes.

[scarlet bronze]

okay

thanks guys

imma load into game see what skill level im at

[heavy shuttle]

Try the first level difficulty. Ironically, playing difficulty 1's is also the fastest way to level up.

[echo kiln]

I did leave you some actually useful stuff, but yeah. Gen chat is A Thing

[heavy shuttle]

Thankfully being a few discord doors down the proverbial road (aka this channel) filters out 'most' of the dumb.

[echo kiln]

I don't know why I also stick my head in gen chat. I like hurting myself, I guess.

[heavy shuttle]

Same.

[hard goblet]

In general, the general chat of any large game server is just a cesspool in my experience.

Nothing worthwhile is ever worth discussing in one.

Too many people, not enough moderation, etc.

[echo kiln]

It can be a good place for breaking news, but yeah, its mostly just incels screaming into the void. Luckily when they get too bad I know who to block.

[heavy shuttle]

We talk about quality stuff here... like which gun is better. The bolter or the kantrael XII....

We haven't had a war in here for a while >:)

[echo kiln]

Psyker sucks and should always be replaced with bolter vet!!! 😆

[heavy shuttle]

Bolter vet+XII vet is a very strong combo. No argument from me.

The precision+armor pen, at range, is amazing.

[echo kiln]

I'd miss my psyker buddy's CC

But it sure is a monstrous combo

Death is the superior CC, after all

[idle linden]

anyone can help me to lvl my second char fast

[echo kiln]

For advice, this is the thread.
For teammates, #vox-lfg-lexicanum and then on to your regional channel

[scarlet bronze]

where would i find teammates who r lower level for me just starting

[echo kiln]

If you want to queue with peeps on this Discord, #vox-lfg-lexicanum then on to the appropriate region from there

[scarlet bronze]

okay ty

[cursive hemlock]

Any tips to see enemies far away?

.

The lighting makes it hard for me to know where to aim.

[echo kiln]

Oh, on the surge staff?

[cursive hemlock]

Huh no I mean just in general. It's a little harder for me at least.

KNowing where to aim with the gun. 👀

[echo kiln]

Hit the tag button (MMB by default) and any specials, elites, or bosses will highlight. Otherwise, just ADS and/or suck it up as appropriate

There's no binoculars or anything

[cursive hemlock]

Did not know you could highlight. Thanks!

[hard goblet]

The ping tool is extremely important.

It will highlight any elites, specials, etc.

[echo kiln]

Highlight constantly. It's good for the whole-ass team

[hard goblet]

^

Lets everyone know which threats are where.

And lets you check if there's something major where you're looking.

[echo kiln]

In terms of lighting, are you on a low-end system?

Oh, also, the special ability on the Las guns is a flashlight

[cursive hemlock]

Yeah mostly everything is low because my PC was in the struggle but I updated my graphics drivers and everything seems be a-ok.

[echo kiln]

Yeah, I'm also on a low-end system. You just get to suck it up
Infinitely better than closed beta, though!

Those light maps were shiiiiiit

[heavy shuttle]

I've slaved the tag button to my fire button.

[echo kiln]

I also saw the smart idea of putting it on ADS in a YouTube comment

[heavy shuttle]

Hrm... Haven't tried that... I think that might be better? Even with the deadshot feat running.

Is it a click? Or can it be a hold and mouse over thing?

[echo kiln]

Haven't tested yet. Still in bed

[heavy shuttle]

If I can't sweep-scan like a UAV...

[heavy shuttle]

Heretic confirmed. Slaanesh cult

[echo kiln]

Warm wife. Warm kitten. Cold world. 😆

[fossil basin]

is this a huge upgrade?

[echo kiln]

Not really, no

Look at the base stats, the small number in line with Modifiers, before any purchases, then check the bars. The chainsword you're looking at has lower base damage, which is bad.

Also if you're not 30 or at least in the late 20s, focus on improving your gameplay, not on small item upgrades. The good stuff is later level and is 330+ in base stats. Closer to 380 is better

[twin swallow]

When you reroll perks at the forge, can a 3-star perk reroll into a 4-star one?

[uneven bough]

Yes

[twin swallow]

Thanks! Managed to get a 4-star perk finally

[paper dragon]

Is there a way to check character's bio after creation at all?

[echo kiln]

Not currently 😦

[paper dragon]

aw

that's a shame

[limber harness]

Can someone explain how some player are able to seemingly dart to scrip locations while I check every nook and cranny and never find any or miss them?

this aspect of the game is ruining my enjoyment because I feel like I absolutely must find the scrips as they are tied to functional upgrades rather than just cosmetics like in vermintide

[echo kiln]

Sampling+confirmation biases and/or the fact they have a faint sound cue.

Scrips don't do shit. Some dockets and xp. That's it.

[limber harness]

what do they sound like?

I could have sworn they didn't emit sound when the game launched

[echo kiln]

It's like a faint tinkling/chiming sound, IIRC.
Get near one when there's nothing going on and you can hear it.

I haven't gone listening in a while. I don't hunt them

[limber harness]

Do you have any idea how tight/broad the radius of sound is?

[echo kiln]

Not big.

Remember that if everyone is checking for loot, the rest of the team is 3× as likely to find them as you

[molten raven]

What does "Look Dead Zone Threshold" under mouse input do?

[limber harness]

If I have to be virtually on top of it to hear anything, then it's not helpful. The issue is most people don't care to find them, they sprint forward the moment the load screen is finished

[echo kiln]

Dead zone threshold is a controller setting, so I don't imagine it's doing shit rn. I certainly haven't noticed any mouse responsiveness weirdness

[echo kiln]

Make a scrip-hunting team in #vox-lfg-lexicanum or just don't gather them. As mentioned, they don't do shit. They're not worth the time.

[limber harness]

They are tied to upgrades, that makes them worth the time

[echo kiln]

How are they tied to upgrades? Melk ain't shit. Get more crafting mats.

[limber harness]

I'm not required to prove a fact

[lilac tree]

What are these indicators of?

read through the patch notes couldnt find anything

[echo kiln]

I'm providing a contrasting view about time and stress efficiency, admittedly flippantly

[echo kiln]

Highest difficulty mission complete

[lilac tree]

oh nice

[brittle vessel]

should i purchase or nah

[west echo]

They spawn in random but predetermined locations, so once you know the typical spots to check it's easy to just do a sweep. And scriptures do have a sound effect, and grimoires a green glow

Generally I find most people are okay with looking for them on Malice, but Heresy+ you're focused in the mission instead

[echo kiln]

Yeah

[brittle vessel]

can i upgrade this one

also later ?

[echo kiln]

Yes, you can upgrade a blue item...? Not sure what you're asking

[brittle vessel]

ow i cant ?

thats sux

[echo kiln]

You can take the item and upgrade it to purple then to yellow. That's inherently part of the game. Is that what you were asking?

@brittle vessel
I'm sorry if that was the question. It's a super basic gameplay feature everyone has access to so I was looking for a more complicated question hidden in there

[brittle vessel]

yeee

can i upgrade to purple this item

[echo kiln]

Yes. Of course.

[brittle vessel]

and this is what im using

[echo kiln]

That's how the game works

[brittle vessel]

currently

powersword out all of this

because it does the more dmg

[echo kiln]

You can upgrade any item that's not already at orange/yellow rating

That's how the item system works

[brittle vessel]

thank you man so im gonna purchase the axe

right

because i cant kill the armoured

guys

[heavy shuttle]

Powersword works pretty good for carapace/flak.

[sharp crane]

ah yes I can't wait to play the new map

[heavy shuttle]

Best of luck. I can't stop crashing in it.

[sharp crane]

no way I'm playing it lmao

[brittle vessel]

yea but they are not dying

[sharp crane]

frustrating that I cant just play the map on desired difficulty

[brittle vessel]

with my power sword

[heavy shuttle]

Are you charging it via special attack?

[brittle vessel]

yes

[brittle vessel]

thats my power sword

[heavy shuttle]

That only tells me its name, not its stats.

[brittle vessel]

241

still better tho out all of my sword's

[heavy shuttle]

What's your level?

[brittle vessel]

30

[heavy shuttle]

Look for an upgrade asap. Terrible stats.

What difficulty are you playing?

[echo kiln]

That's a crap sword for 30

[brittle vessel]

this one is more shit

[heavy shuttle]

Not at all.

[brittle vessel]

compared to that power sword

[heavy shuttle]

...

You're trolling me

[brittle vessel]

im using the power sword

na im not

i swear

i only use that power sword

till i can get a better version of it

[heavy shuttle]

Best of luck.

[brittle vessel]

i tried devil claw its so bad

[heavy shuttle]

Not really.

[brittle vessel]

emperor only gifts me devil claw

i refuse to use that garbage

yea the stats could be seen better but the performance wise

241 stat point with shitty stat power sword beats the 432 stat point devil claw

all day

[uneven bough]

mkiv devil's claw is good

[heavy shuttle]

Strongly disagree but hey, have fun.

[uneven bough]

light heavy cleaves the whole screen horizontally

[brittle vessel]

its not man devil claw is so sh#t, power sword 1000x better

[echo kiln]

Thats a skill issue, my friend, but enjoy the power sword

[uneven bough]

well sure it's still a bit better

[brittle vessel]

when i get a better power sword

oh it feel like an orgasm

[heavy shuttle]

I think the Devil claw is better than the powersword with the new nerf.

[brittle vessel]

to me

[heavy shuttle]

But regardless, the stats speak for themselves.

[brittle vessel]

i can slide 15 heretics head

in one go

with the special activate on power sword

thats priceless

[heavy shuttle]

I'm confused. You were complaining that the 251 PS at lvl 30 isn't killing armored but now you're not?

[brittle vessel]

i didnt say im killing the armored

where is the part i say that

[heavy shuttle]

^

[brittle vessel]

yea i said armored ones are not dying

with that sword

devil claw is not gonna change

anything

im not gonna kill the armoured ones

also

i have a squad member

who can one shot the armoured ones with his ability

15 heretics head in one go tell me a sword or any melee

who can do that

ill switch my melee

bro thinks im stupid do i not know devil claw has a better stat point ? ofc i know but i still choose the power swordé!

[echo kiln]

If you're on vet, crushers, the big armored ogryn enemies, are not your role anyway unless you have a bolter. Every single other special and shooter is. Your melee is primarily a tool for hordes and enemies who get too close.

[onyx schooner]

i wanna ask, is the max modifier count 380? if so did i just got a good find?

[heavy shuttle]

The base stats are great. Let's hope the crafting station gives you some nice blessings on it.

[onyx schooner]

yeah i feel like i should upgrade it

[heavy shuttle]

You can reroll a perk so depending on what you're going for you can reroll the 2nd perk.

[onyx schooner]

and pray to the god emperor

[echo kiln]

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah for sure, its definitely worth the mats to upgrade if you like the combat blade.

[onyx schooner]

now i just have to find a good flamer to purge the heretics

[echo kiln]

Even if you don't like the combat blade, snap it up in case you ever change your mind

[onyx schooner]

i was using the evicerator for the longest time, combat blade seems fun but bad for the fingers hahaha

[heavy shuttle]

I've got a few lasguns like that. Great for dps, not so great for dexterity

[onyx schooner]

im guessing i should go with lascerate and shred for the blessing?

[echo kiln]

Lacerate, absolutely. Which one's shred?

[onyx schooner]

the crit chance one

+2-5% Bonus Critical Chance on repeated hit. Stacks 5 times.

or is that too much crit chance already

[echo kiln]

I'm confused by these words, "Too much crit chance." I know them individually, but together, they're gibberish. Language is so odd sometimes 😄

[open sedge]

wait

[onyx schooner]

im saying is having shred abit overkill on the crits

[open sedge]

fuck that's not what i meant to send

this

[onyx schooner]

i appreciate the dog

[echo kiln]

I'm saying no, it's not, but with a joke

[jaunty wraith]

is a sword that looks like a hammer. or a hammer which cliams to be a sword

[open sedge]

you don't have too much crit until you're at 100 :)

[jaunty wraith]

that is called crit caped and you can always get thier faster

[echo kiln]

Is that edited or an actual bugged item entry?

[open sedge]

oh its just a visual bug that happens

[echo kiln]

Ha. 10/10

[onyx schooner]

it seems my calling is an ogryn more than a zealot

[echo kiln]

All good. Failing to parse some weird stranger's whack-ass joke is no shame.

[quaint quail]

How good is the heavy sword after the changes?

[signal kite]

when should I move to t4 missions?
Ive been doing t3 missions pretty reliably, death in maybe in 1 in 6 missions?
so i was thinking about doing t4 missions. is that the right choice? or should I try to grind out a little bit more since my curios are blue (though my weapons are gold and purple)

[echo kiln]

Sounds like you're ready.
I've been running Heresy with its crazy bugged spawns with an orange gun and everything else green, blue, and purple.

[signal kite]

I will give one a go

[echo kiln]

As long as your primary murder stick is hitting its essential breakpoints, most other stuff is minor compared to player skill.

[brittle vessel]

if i do level 4 and lvl 5 mission do i get more useful reward from the emperor the precious leader ?

at lvl 30

or should i not bother and play lvl 3 mission and do not care

[echo kiln]

No. The RNG on Emperor's Gifts does not change (which is stupid)
High Level missions provide:
More fun
More XP
More dockets
More Diamantine

That's it.

[brittle vessel]

thank you men

yea its stupid it should change

[echo kiln]

It's one of the big reasons everyone is mad

[brittle vessel]

emperor gifts are also random ?

sometimes he does gift sometimes he doesnt ?

or every 3 win

somethin like that

[echo kiln]

Random

[open sedge]

there's also supposedly a weekly cap, no? or was that debunked

[echo kiln]

There a maximum of 20 per week, last I heard

[open sedge]

at least, a rate decrease after some number

[mystic parrot]

Have the devs said anything about re-rolling modifiers? Re-Bless and Earn Bless doesn't sound it does that at all

[echo kiln]

That is not a thing and won't ever be a thing, as far as we can tell

[mystic parrot]

Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Thanks.

[echo kiln]

Player engagement time metrics for C-Suite spreadsheets and marketing engagement probabilities. So, yes.

[round coral]

Torn between these two, or waiting for something better. Opinions?

[honest jackal]

Prolly wait

[echo kiln]

Do you have a usable power sword at all?

[round coral]

I own the blue one, the purple one is in the shop

And only have materials to upgrade once immediately

[echo kiln]

Oh, yeah. Missed that. Don't buy purple

Not worth

[round coral]

What do you think I should be looking for, stat-wise?

[echo kiln]

You have a good enough sword to hold out for the best

[echo kiln]

Better than your current stats, even if you lose a few % in damage, preferably with a good perk or blessing already on it.

[inner mesa]

Could someone please advise, I have a good Lasgun I like, looking at upping it to Transcendent, the base states are 358. Good enough to start on heresy etc, but when I look at crafting preview the base stats drop by 25. is this a glitch or something?

[echo kiln]

Base stats display for upgrade is glitched. Ignore it.

[inner mesa]

ahh thank you,

[echo kiln]

This is, amusingly, a different glitch than the prior one. Submit it in #bug-reports

FFS, UI team... you broke the display in the other direction

[inner mesa]

done, thanks

[brittle vessel]

guys whats this

its in sire melk's

[inner mesa]

exactly what it looks like. Lottery basically. tried it a couple times previously. usually crap comes from it

pay so many marks for a random RNG weapon or curio.

[sudden knot]

Is there a way to remove this "ghost effect" in the game files? sadly, in the game it doesn't have this option.

[brittle vessel]

should i try my lucky

[inner mesa]

I wouldn't personally but its your game. ive only ever gotten rubbish grey stuff

[echo kiln]

A trap for suckers

[brittle vessel]

for suxin dk ?

[brittle vessel]

wtF

ty for the warning broskis

[echo kiln]

You'd think it would have better RNG, but you'd be WRONG

[brittle vessel]

i have 1660

materials

i really wanan own a powersword

[inner mesa]

its probably just there for someone who has too many marks and nothing to spend them on. It uses the contracts currency which frankly isnt worth it for me. I save my marks in case a nice weapon or curio show up (Ha!) in the RNG

[brittle vessel]

maybe i can get that yellow one

later

[echo kiln]

It's there to drain players of marks so they keep grinding weeklies. It's shit design

[brittle vessel]

does thing offers you a melee ?

this thing*

[echo kiln]

Melk? Totally random rolls, so yeah, he will. Curios, too

[inner mesa]

Erm, Sire Melks shop is different for diff people?!??

[echo kiln]

Yeah

[inner mesa]

is what I see. nothing in there I want

[brittle vessel]

damn i would a buy that

power sword

without looking at the perks

XDD

[inner mesa]

its got really good blessings but crap base stats

[brittle vessel]

or blessing

[echo kiln]

Could be worth to stockpile the blessings

[brittle vessel]

nice one

power sword is my favorite melee

[echo kiln]

That's a disgusting combo on a power sword. What are you doing? Buy that!

[inner mesa]

this is mine,

I am looking forward to rerolling blessings so i can roll a higher rampage on my own

[brittle vessel]

so fkin good blessings

wtF

[brittle vessel]

this one

[sharp ridge]

im just bored of leveling already

[brittle vessel]

you level up

after every succesfull

[sharp ridge]

dunno why difficulty 3 is too hard

[brittle vessel]

mission man

[brittle vessel]

its not that hard

play low intensity

[sharp ridge]

well i cant do it so

[brittle vessel]

if u can find

[echo kiln]

I'd be willing to give up 17 points of Modifiers for the Melk blade,but you're also doing just fine already

[inner mesa]

its not that hard, depends on what level you are and your gear. for tier 3 you want all purple and its the tier where you have to learn to block and push

[sharp ridge]

i been doing 2 for so long and its just boring cuz 2 is too easy

and 3 is frustrating cuz i havent finished a single one

[brittle vessel]

play low intensity

mission

[echo kiln]

Again, when are you dying and to what? Are you charging into rooms, separating from teammates, leaving angles uncovered, etc. Is your aim bad?

[sharp ridge]

there is no aim i am a fat man with a riot shield

[brittle vessel]

avoid hi intensity

[unkempt stone]

Lower than T4 just boring the game. I only play below heresy if i want to finis my weakly quest fast. Idk how u guys cant beat t3 missions.

[open sedge]

thank you for your valuable contribution to this!

[brittle vessel]

he might be new man

maybe he doesnt have gear

[queen path]

is there a list of what stats can be rolled thru refinement?

[sharp ridge]

i did a low intensity 3 and failed it at the end yesterday i think

did a 3 earlier and didnt even get 3 minutes in

[echo kiln]

Of perks? Yeah. It might be in pins. Its definitely been in here and theorycrafting

[inner mesa]

make sure your build is suited to it, https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds?sort=updated_at&class=98f706b3-b156-4966-9174-fb9938458ce2 and your gear is focussed enough. Tier 3 below trust 23 or so is a bad idea. you simply don't have the stats, low endurance toer 3 from 20 is doable. but also you are a walking tank so at tier 3 youve got a heavy burden being the one all the mobs hit. stay close to your team.

[sharp ridge]

yeah so difficulty 3 (the middle one) is for after ive played for 50 hours?

cuz ive got a solid 10 or 15 and im a whole level 11

im not trying to be bored as hell the entire time i play the game

2 is just way too easy and im bored

[open sedge]

do 3 then until you can do it. you'll fail missions but they still give partial XP and you'll improve your fundamentals.

or be bored for like 10 hours and grind levels on 2

[echo kiln]

You can play T3 at level 11. You're also taking really, really long on runs if you've been plying that long, though.
Have you tried running things other than the shield? If you've been crutching on it then you're not learning the systems very well

[sharp ridge]

you dont even get the shield until level 10

so no

lmao

[verbal wyvern]

This isn't going up????

[inner mesa]

Contrary to popular belief, Ogryns job isn't so much to kill everything, its more crowd control. its a team job. block, push and knowck mobs about so your team mates can mow them down. you should be blocking and pushing more. also the stubber is a good gun, you should always be in coherency with your team mates who can cover your back. Ogryn is the protector of the group not the murderer, if your dying fast, youre doing something wrong.

[queen path]

cant fiind it :<

[echo kiln]

I don't have all the unlocks memorized. There's 60+ weapons and they unlock at different times on different classes

[sharp ridge]

yeah i know and i wasnt the first one dead i was the last one dead, and i died after i revived people 3 times and pulled 2 people from falling off the damn map like idiots

[echo kiln]

Try the theory crafting pins. Also, just search for gameslantern, like the link Miyel put. It's on that website

[echo kiln]

Weeklies are bugged. It is known. It's even discussed in the patch notes

[open sedge]

team issue go agane, it happens. if you think team is the problem then you can pretty readily find an LFG in the lfg channels here

[verbal wyvern]

Do i just leave it and it will give the progress or?

[sharp ridge]

yea got a whole like 18 people rn

no cross play goes hard

i saw something that said theyre gonna do it eventually though

[echo kiln]

Sometimes restarting helps. I just wouldn't even engage with it until the Devs get it consistent

[verbal wyvern]

been there fro days lol

imma replace it

[brittle vessel]

how much the maximum rate for combat ability regeneration

anyone knows

[winter talon]

what's the fastest way to farm plasteel?

[queen path]

what are the odds to get 3 of the same bot

[winter talon]

fairly common, most the time I get 3 vets that look the same

[cold tundra]

so i just started and i'm about at 16, grinding strikes and raids and assinations. what should my aim be? other than cool weapons. I see the LFG's and they're all doing what i assume is "endgame shit....

i just want to make sure i'm grinding the right way and for the right things... and what my endgame is

[queen path]

try not to grind. there will be enough grinding at 30.

id say not spend your crafting and weekly resources till 30

[nova fractal]

Don't get too much into it. Just play for the sake of playing, check your store once in a while and if you happen to find a weapon with either a nice blessing or a higher modifier rating than what you currently have, then get it.

In case you're wondering what I mean by modifier rating, I mean this one, the one highlighted in red

[short flare]

+20% bonus of Curio as a mission reward... was that only when levelling? I haven't seen a mission reward for ages.

[nova fractal]

I heard that was bugged and it prevents you from getting emperor's gifts, not sure if it was fixed, or I was mistaken and heard wrong

[topaz lark]

it is currently believed that gifts are capped to 20 per week

[nova fractal]

thats pretty lame

[topaz lark]

it is, if true

[short flare]

Something is up with it. The 20 per week seems credible, because they definitely just hard stopped at some point. I thought bc I hit 30.

[red girder]

Any one level 18 wanna team up?

[nova fractal]

Please use the #vox-lfg-lexicanum section to look for a group

[brittle vessel]

what u guys think lvl cap gonna increase in this game ?

[nova fractal]

Not gonna happen unless Fatshark plans to release another tier of talents for every class

[topaz lark]

I do believe they will increase the max base rating

[icy solar]

they should just make it open ended, so atleast the Grinders have something to show for it.

[cold tundra]

What’s max level 30?

[icy solar]

If I commit the time, I want to level up to 100, why not?

Or let me prestige, reset the lvl, but keep the perks/feats

[nova fractal]

That would be pretty cool. But I highly doubt that’s on their to do list. In their previous game, VT2, you can technically “level up” past max level, but each level up just gave you a loot chest instead

[icy solar]

yer they wont do it, they seem to have no interest in maintaining players interest and allowing any kind of mid term progression

a loot chest every 10k XP would be nice

just "something" for your efforts

[nova fractal]

I think they have more penances that reward cosmetics they plan to release later down the road, so that's something to look forward to

[balmy trout]

do other player kills contribute to contracts? i assume no?

[nova fractal]

Yes, they do contribute

[balmy trout]

oh sweet. ty

[verbal wyvern]

What does it mean by Unyielding enemies? Is that ones without melee or something?

or ones with armour types

[nova fractal]

Unyielding enemies are the Shield Ogryns, Reapers, and any of the bosses

[verbal wyvern]

ah

ok

[nova fractal]

Check out this guide, it has a pretty nifty explanation to every enemy type

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2894619510

[rigid wasp]

Damnation damage changed???

[honest jackal]

Is power maul for ogryn good?

[verbal wyvern]

over not dying with the shield? no

[honest jackal]

Ah ok

[verbal wyvern]

I reckon if they stopped the infinite blocking and replaced it with the powering up for the maul then it would be good. So you have an infinite block but no power maul or a power maul but limited blocking via stamina

[honest jackal]

Alright ty

Prolly

[untold phoenix]

Power Maul is pretty good if you learn how to dodge and take cover

I know that as an ogryn player you have probably never heard the words "take cover" before since you usually ARE the cover but trust me, it's useful on higher difficulties

[brittle vessel]

how can i see

the progress

for fashion items

[untold phoenix]

Elaborate

[hardy hull]

If anyone needs help with their penances, I'm willing to offer my aid. Need to do more missions as a sharpshooter

[brittle vessel]

which one you want to do

[hardy hull]

Whichever! I'll work with you

[unreal aurora]

anyone know how I can stop my game from resetting the subtitle size everytime I launch?

[brittle vessel]

make every shot count

%100 accuracy

LOL

what is the meaning of no ammo remaining

like 0 bullet

[hardy hull]

@brittle vessel That's fine. Best way to do that penance is to play normally, wait until extraction, and have only 1 shot remaining in your gun. Disconnect, connect back in, shoot a single pox walker, and then leave.

I can stay outside the elevator or valk until you come back in

[untold phoenix]

yes

[brittle vessel]

why we do that

i can spam till my ammo hit 0

to the nothingness

[hardy hull]

You can't miss a single shot

[brittle vessel]

ohhh i get it now

[hardy hull]

By disconnecting, you reset the counter

[brittle vessel]

why i leave again

in the end

what about this one

weapons secondary action ?

it means ads ?

[unreal aurora]

yes

[hardy hull]

By disconnecting, and connecting back in, it resets the counter of hits you have done, but keeps everything else, including your ammo. With one shot left in your gun but no enemies hit, you simply hit that last poxwalker and extract, fulfilling the 100% accuracy and 0 ammo requirement.

And Deadeye is honestly pretty easy. The last feat for sharpshooter lets you refresh the amount of time you have in focus fire for each weakspot kill you get on a special, extending your time to kill 5 elites the same way. I just clear out the chaffe and let you do it.

[brittle vessel]

before disconnecting i need to spam and left one bullet ?

[hardy hull]

@brittle vessel Yes

[brittle vessel]

and reconnect use that one bullet

[hardy hull]

On an enemy, yes

[brittle vessel]

and finish the mission

[hardy hull]

Yep

[brittle vessel]

okay thanjk you

but i dont like that top that much

i want this pants

actually

LOL

deadeye

[hardy hull]

@brittle vessel Do you have access to the last sharpshooter feats?

[brittle vessel]

ye iml lvl 30

[hardy hull]

Ok! Than any Heresy mission will do, especially if there are more enemies than normal.

[brittle vessel]

i got a free helmet also

idk how

[hardy hull]

You do the beta?

[brittle vessel]

whats that

it doesnt complete

i kill like 10 enemies

while using a volley fire

[waxen nest]

is there any word on when re-blessing will be available or no ?

[hard goblet]

We don't know.

[waxen nest]

dam ok thanks

[hardy hull]

@brittle vessel Has to be a weak point kill on elite enemies only

IE, head shot for most things

[cursive verge]

What does the bottom symbol mean? What do they signify?

[little coyote]

highest difficulty you've completed that mission on

[cursive verge]

thank you!

[little coyote]

🫡

[hard goblet]

For Deadeye?

If you use Counterfire, it doesn't have to be only elite enemies.

[faint raptor]

Is the AI Director specifically programmed to spawn mobs the moment only one player is left alive?

[hard goblet]

No.

It spawns hordes in waves and specials on timers. Also adjustments are made based on when players reach certain sections of the map, mission events, etc.

[faint raptor]

Fair

[hard goblet]

And of course the difficulty of the mission.

[edgy jolt]

The AI Director is designed to have a grudge against you specifically. Not any of the other players, just you.

[faint raptor]

Had some poor timing/bad luck then, felt kind of like it spawned a bunch of enemies to finish the round off so to speak

[hard goblet]

It definitely feels that way sometimes.

Defeat a plague ogryn + horde. Enter the area before the elevator to Hab Larranax. Immediately another plague ogryn spawns.

Maybe we killed the first too quickly so the AI director felt we were progressing too quickly.

[stoic scroll]

anyone have any idea why these are 2 different ratings with the same Blessing and if it actually makes any odds when upgrading it?

[void plaza]

so we are pretty sure toughness damage reduction curio perks dont exist, has anyone seen a +1 stamina CURIO SECONDARY perk (not primary)?

[hard goblet]

Yes.

During my rerolling I saw +stamina perks appear multiple times.

[worthy shale]

What does these two mean?

[hard goblet]

#gameplay-help message

[worthy shale]

Ok, that accounts for aquila chevrons, what about the one on the right of the damnation-level mission?

[hard goblet]

I don't know about that one myself. I know it's not new.

[untold phoenix]

Nothing, it's just fancy

it has no meaning whatsoever

[cinder igloo]

How do you consistently blockpush a pox burster? I have had rather little success with timing it.

[untold phoenix]

Right before they jump or while in the air you should push

Works for me

You'll learn the timing by continued practice

[cinder igloo]

Does that mean there's two windows or that the window is that large?

[untold phoenix]

Both, it varies from time to time I've noticed

[stark ibex]

Apologies to bother: but does anyone have any tips on finishing “Just a flesh wound” penance?

[untold phoenix]

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, it's kinda frustrating

[untold phoenix]

get a good squad to cover you the entire way through and stay in the back

Learn to push with your melee as well

[cinder igloo]

that's the heresy on 1 wound thing, right?

[stark ibex]

👍

[untold phoenix]

Oh nevermind then

[cinder igloo]

don't use any wound curios, go for the uh

assassination mission that's got no blocks

sec

[untold phoenix]

I thought it was the clear a lvl as vet without melee damage

[cinder igloo]

1 wound is not the issue, usually it's the 20 minutes

[high sand]

those chevrons? no clue. they don't seem to have any bearing upon rewards...

[stark ibex]

Speed running is not my forte

[cinder igloo]

you know the one assassination mission that runs really fast? you want that. if you have friends, you can apparently do dumb shit like have 3 ogryns speed you through it

the map on the menu is orangey

i forget the name

[void plaza]

on weapons or curios?

[cinder igloo]

I also have it left to do, but I have technically beaten heresy with 1wound for nearly the whole thing

in 20

just that... not on zealot. lmao

[stark ibex]

I heard something similar with a vet where you could do that “make every shot count” penance with a zealot/flamethrower

[untold phoenix]

They show the highest diff you've completed a mission on

[stark ibex]

Or ogryn

[high sand]

oooo

ty

[untold phoenix]

np

Only wins after the recent patch will show though

[high sand]

O7

thats helpful

[cinder igloo]

Oh, I've also heard that you can push dogs?

How tight is that timing

I've tried it a few times and it's honestly really hard to tell if it worked because of how fast they move and that it might just have been interrupted by external factors.

never gotten it when it's pouncing on myself specifically, so I assume I've missed it every time.

[untold phoenix]

Dogs are just feeling

There is no technique cause they're so damn random in their moves

[cinder igloo]

There is a certain amount of jank to them, sure.

anyway, thanks.

I shall go and push things.

[stark ibex]

I wish you luck in pushing dogs

[untold phoenix]

Go forth learned one, push to your hearts content

[cinder igloo]

oh right, I'm bac again

forgot to ask about this

but I know some weapons have attacks that give them momentum without slowing much so you can sprint>attack>slide to speedrun

is there a list of all of em?

[hard goblet]

Curios.

[hard goblet]

Fairly tight. Essentially when they're at the midpoint of their jump towards you. Their attack animation locks them into moving in a straight line. I had the most success with that when standing still to bait them. The jankiness of the dog comes from the fact that they can transition immediately to their move/dodge state upon taking damage no matter what they were doing beforehand.

The more reliable method I use is charging a heavy attack and dodging to the side as soon as I hear their snarl play which signals they are leaping towards me.

As long as you have enough distance to dodge the full sideways distance, you will clothesline them with your charged heavy at no cost to you.

[cinder igloo]

That is how I normally deal with them, but I would like to have the full repertoire of options in my hands.

sometimes, dodging left just isn't an option and I need my block up

[hard goblet]

I understand.

[cinder igloo]

thanks for the timing

[hard goblet]

In those situations, you have a narrow window to shove them back. Ideally you want to bait them into a short distance leap.

Sometimes they can perform longer jumps and those are even harder to time shoves on.

[cinder igloo]

Usually dogs are only a threat when I'm already being pressured in melee range

[warm hawk]

hey ppl, can we use multiple curio with sniper resistance, are they cumulative ?

[hard goblet]

Multiple curio perks do stack.

I'm not sure whether its additive or multiplicative though.

Haven't done any math for it yet.

[warm hawk]

ok, good to know, thank !

[cinder igloo]

How does the game decide which server region you play on if a group has people from multiple?
I presume it picks based on whoever initiates the mission?

[hazy umbra]

Can someone help me with 2 penances ? (Pick n' Mix, Malleus Monstronum)

[void plaza]

got a pic of a +1 stamina secondary curio?

[hard goblet]

Oh you know what, I realize I may have mistaken that with a + stamina regen perk.

[hard goblet]

I'd assume it'd be based on the host, yeah.

[void plaza]

I am starting to suspect a +1 stamina perk on a curio doesn't exist, same as toughness damage reduction

[hard goblet]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum And then choose your region based LFG channel.

[hard goblet]

Those seem like they'd be on the blessing slot of a curio rather than the perk slot to me.

[void plaza]

according to gameslantern, toughness damage reduction and +1 stamina can appear in perk slots but nobody has yet to see them. According to steam guides, toughness damage reduction isnt in the game, but +1 stamina perks allegedly are so idk

[spice egret]

Im trying to complete some penances but I need the AI gone so they won't kill the mobs, tips?

[hard goblet]

It is possible that they are extremely rare.

As in, so rare that they will practically never be seen.

I had to go through hundreds of rerolls just to get a tier 4 perk of my specific choice.

Though I saw plenty of tier 4 +10% Experience perks during that time.

[void plaza]

is it? I've yet to meet 1 person who has a screenshot of an actual +1 stamina perk

[hard goblet]

That can easily be the result of people not seeking it out?

As in, they don't want the perk.

Or don't find it noteworthy enough to screenshot.

[unborn pilot]

if i refine a perk, is it permanent or can i unroll it to what it was?

[short laurel]

got a maxed stat bolter, what perks and blessings (when shuffle blessing gets added) should i have on this thing?

[unborn pilot]

and if i reroll a perk, does it roll at the same level as what im replacing, or random

[hard goblet]

If you reroll a perk, you cannot go back to what you previously rerolled.

You can only attempt to reroll back to it.

[hard goblet]

Entirely random.

You can roll higher or lower or the same.

[unborn pilot]

hmm. thanks. trying to decide if i want to reroll my sprint efficiency on my powersword. i think i do but wanted to make sure i understood first

[hard goblet]

You can essentially treat the perk reroll as a guaranteed tier 4 perk of your choice.

Eventually you will reroll enough times for it to cost 0.

[unborn pilot]

oh it gets cheaper as you roll? huh

[hard goblet]

Yes.

[boreal cosmos]

lame, low dmg roll and shit blessing

[harsh pebble]

Can someone explain this supposed drop in base rating?

[hard goblet]

It's a display bug.

[pure patio]

Which class does well with high mobility / sprint build?

Zealot?

Psyche or whatever that class is called?

[feral arrow]

Is AI logic changed implicitly?

[wet bramble]

I haven't followed the developer super close since the beta, but as I've finally started playing, I'm noticing the screen shake is even worse since the beta. Is there any indication that they're aware of this or plan to do anything about it? I couldn't find an option that made any impact...

[hard goblet]

What do you mean?

[strange grove]

If you have a private group of 2, does the mission scale down in difficulty? Or does it still backfill bots?

[hard goblet]

You will still have bots if that's what you're asking.

[hard goblet]

You'd have to check their official forums. That's where they keep track of feedback and bug reports.

[wet bramble]

Right. I was more just asking second hand if there'd been any kind of official communication. Thank you for taking the time though 😄

[strange grove]

Thank you!

[stark ibex]

(possibly a) stupid question: Does base rating for curios actually matter? or does the perks matter more?

[edgy wedge]

base rating doesn't mean much, it's just an all-around summary of the parts. just because it rolled high damage against maniacs doesn't mean it's actually better than an extra wound

[stark ibex]

Thanks for the answer 👍

[edgy wedge]

No problemo :)

[jagged acorn]

silly question the awnswer is probably no, but does the amount of crafting materials scale with difficulty of mission?

[edgy wedge]

This might sound odd, but Veteran. Being able to dodge away from entire hordes as well as crushes whilst also being able to gun down elites makes for a very, very efficient build. Unlike psyker, veteran has a lot of ways to increase his mobility to ridiculousness, and yet with the Bolger he still retains that ability to pick off Elites.

[edgy wedge]

yes, but not the way you think. The higher the difficulty, the less plasteel and the more diamantine you get

[jagged acorn]

whoa thats good to know is it significant?

[edgy wedge]

yeah, running Damnation difficulty you can easily end up with over 170 diamantine without even trying, whilst on Malice you might struggle to break 100 diamantine

[jagged acorn]

is that like 170 dia with no plasteel

or 170 dia plus like a normal amount of plasteel for whatever difficulty youre running

[edgy wedge]

nah there’s plasteel, but you’ll end up earning more diamantine than you earn plasteel

think of it as the opposite of low difficulties where you get a ton of plasteel and no diamantine

[jagged acorn]

i c ty so much

[edgy wedge]

np :)

[edgy wedge]

It’s in the game, ish. If I had to guess I’d say that they’re perks we weren’t meant to be able to get yet, or ones the devs were unsure about. That, or Fatshark strikes again.
I own a bunch of +3 and a singular +1 stamina curio, though i don’t think I’ve ever seen toughness damage reduction.

[edgy wedge]

the Combat Knife. you can abuse it as a veteran to fly past your zealots and Ogryns, along with every single enemy besides mutants and hounds (if you’ve got that timing down.)

some combat knives actually have stamina regeneration high enough that it begins regenerating before your crouch slide even ends, leading to an odd equilibrium of being stuck at one stamina value if you continuously time your slides

the dueling sword for Psyker also does pretty well, alone with the combat blade for Ogryn

basically, check the weapon stats to see what the dodge limit, stamina regen, and sprint cost is.

although it doesn’t truly do the knife tech justice, this clip shows how nuts the Veteran can be with just a combat blade

[edgy wedge]

The instant they crouch backwards to pounce and make that specific bark noise, crouch slide into them and spam your push block.

[edgy wedge]

haha yeah I did it in twelve minutes once

[rigid wasp]

Been wanting to try out the knife on vet and zealot but the shop says no

[edgy wedge]

for whatever reason, a poxburster doesn’t detonate upon being push-blocked unless they’re already mid-jump. push blocking them even a frame before their feet leave the ground causes them to just fall backwards and not explode.

[rigid wasp]

Looks fun using knife with vet

Perks for knife should be crit and what else?

[edgy wedge]

Carapace armored damage is always a good bet, and same goes for weak spot damage.

Bleed is extremely strong if you’re running it with a Bleed Ogryn

[rigid wasp]

If on zealot what is the best pair for knife?

I currently have flamer, shotgun, autogun and bolt

[edgy wedge]

flamer

[rigid wasp]

Cool, i just hope the servitor finally gives me a good knife

[edgy wedge]

I wouldn’t recommend knife on zealot; his job isn’t necessarily done best by avoiding enemies, but rather by stunning them head on. Power hammer or power mail are really good for stunning enemies, but to be honest I love the knife and I can’t tell you not to use it; just use a flamer

[rigid wasp]

Ive been running axes so far on zealot cus its the only weapon i find enjoyable, not a fan of evis and TH

[void plaza]

you have a curio that has a +1 stamina PERK not main blessing?

[edgy wedge]

oh shit perk?

nah those ain’t real

[rigid wasp]

A bit curious on it, but axes are my go to

[edgy wedge]

there are no stamina perks for curious

[void plaza]

allegedly there is a +1 stamina perk

[edgy wedge]

the +1 stamina perk exists on Ogryn weapons, at the minimum, but not on any curio.

[void plaza]

but nobody has yet to show proof outside game files

[edgy wedge]

Likely just a mistake with the wiki.

[abstract jolt]

how can i check my ping?

[edgy wedge]

i haven’t got a clue; there’s no inbuilt ping overlay if that’s what you want. Closest I think you can get is by opening the most recent console_log file and scrolling through it until you find the server latency you had in whatever match you played

[edgy wedge]

you can do a more than a few unintended things with the knife

though to be fair, there’s always the chance that I just got the jump pixel perfect on accident lol

[marsh fulcrum]

what should i reroll to for veteran?

[languid beacon]

the braced agri autogun has really really good utility, and i personally think people sleep on it, but flamer is a very popular choice for a reason .

[short flare]

After you consecrate, the new perk is locked.... when does it unlock?

[twin swallow]

Just to confirm, the current cap for base stats is 80% for each bar and 380 for total?

[hard goblet]

If you refine a perk slot, the other slot is locked forever. Consecrating a gun doesn't lock perk slots. Refining an item's perk slot does.

[hard goblet]

Due to a quirk in how the stat allocation to points works out, 4 stat bars will be at 80% and one will be at 60% I believe.

Assuming a 380 base rating.

[paper holly]

@rigid wasp Elaborating on DragonPope888's comment, Agri Braced Autogun has High damage and lower rate of fire than It's other Braced Autogun counterparts.

Because of this it has tighter grouping and fucking deletes enemies in a moment. Normally this gun wouldn't feel that strong on someone like Vet due to it's trouble penetrating Carapace Armor, but what some people don't realize is that Zealot ULT gives 100% Armor penetration on ranged weapon for the duration of the buff.

So now I can sit in Horde, do my thang, a whip this bad boy out and ULT to cut down groups of flak enemies, Gunner Elites, and Crushers all within the use of 1 ULT.

[short flare]

Hmm. I guess I refined first, then consecrated, and the new perk was locked. Did not expect that. BUt makes sense, under those rules.

[ivory violet]

What type of monster is the assassination target? Unyielding? and does that count for the shield as well?

[unreal aurora]

Is this a cop from Melk? Best I've ever seen for a power sword

[paper holly]

That's a super interesting question

^ You can do better. Great stats but the Blessings aren't my favorite

[hard goblet]

They are unyielding. I'm not sure about the shield.

[hard goblet]

The stats are quite nice. Damage could be just a tad higher, but it's still worth picking up. Assuming we only get to swap out one blessing, you could always swap in a Rending or Energizer one later.

Certainly better than any of my power swords.

[twin swallow]

Ohh... So for stuff with the 380 cap it will always be 80x4+60 and currently impossible to be a combination of 70ish for each?

[paper holly]

Would swapping Slaughter for a Hit Mass Ignore not be a good option?

[hard goblet]

I guess it could also be possible to get a distribution like that too. I was assuming maximizing being the goal for 4 stats since typically there's 1 stat that isn't important on a weapon compared to the others.

[hard goblet]

On a power sword?

[paper holly]

@twin swallow that's false. It can totally have 70 distributions

@hard goblet with the removal of infinite cleave with charge, wouldn't ignore hit mass bring you back to a pre-nerd state?

[hard goblet]

The power sword is still capable of cleaving through 10 to 15 poxwalkers when charged.

To me, additional hit mass bypassing would be redundant.

I'd rather focus on either extending the duration of the energized state or damage/power.

To ensure that what I am cleaving through which is already a decent number of enemies will die when I do so.

And the more damage I can stack, the more effectively I can attempt to handle armored enemies.

[paper holly]

I see

[twin swallow]

Ah, pity, since I saw a 380 green power sword in the shop with 80 in everything else but 60 in damage...

[paper holly]

That wouldnt have been a bad one to raise

[twin swallow]

I did buy it so it's in my inventory, but I just spent all my resources making the one in the linked comment, so will probably hold off on that one

[hard goblet]

The low damage would've bothered me, but it is your weapon and preference.

Having blessing fodder doesn't hurt either I guess.

I'm assuming the system will be needlessly restrictive, so best to have lots of options.

[paper holly]

@twin swallow that one with Wrath is nice. You get Wrath stacked in melee and get penetration on ranged weapon once stacked. I've heard it can't make the lasgun and recon pen.

[gray comet]

anyone want to play i played beta and finally got time to start game so would like to learn some tips

[twin swallow]

Cleave translates to penetration on ranged weapons? Weird lol

Is that like an oversight? or intended game design?

[hard goblet]

It's believed to be an oversight.

[paper holly]

I'm not sure. Some weapon perks aren't specific to Melee/Ranged and actually stack like our Perks from equipment used to in Vermintide. While others are keyworded to be Melee or Ranged specific.

[hard goblet]

Melee blessing effects are only supposed to affect the melee weapon when it is drawn.

[paper holly]

I definitely think it's strange haha

[hard goblet]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/wrath-perk-on-melee-weapon-applies-to-guns/69217

[tiny juniper]

What are these symbols under some missions?

[paper holly]

@gray comet I'd just play it cold and ask questions when you have them or get frustrated. The game is a lot more fun exploring in your own at first

[hard goblet]

It's been given an "acknowledged" tag in the forums so I'd say the devs consider it a bug.

[hard goblet]

#gameplay-help message

[plain coral]

if you rolled the first perk, never

[paper holly]

Do they feel the same way about perks stacking?

[gray comet]

ok thanks

[hard goblet]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/c/darktide/bugs/94
It doesn't appear so?

[paper holly]

There's so much to discover on your own first. Tons of fun weapon variety to use before coming and getting 'meta' @gray comet

[gray comet]

is there a game chat?

or i have to type everything?

[hard goblet]

There is a game text chat box in which you'd communicate by typing if that's what you're asking.

There's also in game voice chat.

[gray comet]

how so you do that

[hard goblet]

Which one are you asking about?

[gray comet]

oh NVM figured it out

thx

[abstract jolt]

sad but its only for map, not type of mission

[hard goblet]

Yep.

No patch notes explanation about it either.

A guessing game about UI features within a game. :)

[rich smelt]

PLEASE DEVS! Let me click on this Penance to know which freaking mission I'm missing!

[safe folio]

Does anyone know what these little markers are?

[echo kiln]

The map icons can guide you in this

[echo kiln]

Beat map on difficulty X, get icon X

[rich smelt]

I did few before and few after the patch, so I have no idea 🤷‍♂️

[warm violet]

Look it's me xD

[mental canyon]

with the contracts, i have a kill 750 dregs with ranged. Do i have to kill all 750 or will kills from my team count?

[warm violet]

For the weeklies the entire teams efforts count

[mental canyon]

oh ok, thank you

[warm violet]

So kills, collecting, grimoirs and scriptures, etc

[mental canyon]

that's what i thought but i just finished a mission and i got no progress on that one so that must mean we didnt kill a single dreg with ranged lol

[onyx knot]

will the stacks of damage work for all players in the squad?

[warm violet]

Sometimes weekly progress is a bit bugged though

[hard goblet]

That may be the weekly contract progress bug.

[elfin abyss]

How important is stamina? How is it used beyond draining when sprinting?

[rigid wasp]

stamina also drains when blocking

[neat jacinth]

And pushing

Also, sprinting while out of stamina won't protect you from incoming fire

[uneven bough]

psyker actually takes more toughness damage while sprinting, which is a.. questionable mechanic

[burnt olive]

psyker gets more damage no matter what for some reason

wish we could have queue for all 4 classes, instead of getting games with 3 vets, 3 psykers etc

[gentle mulch]

which is better for mk2 ripper gun? cavalcade or fire frenzy?

[warm nebula]

What if I told you it already does that, but no one is playing an [x] right now

[ashen mauve]

I think its just flavor, some have stuff to the side of them.

[ashen mauve]

Either that or it might mark that there is a lobby in matchmaking for that mission.

[safe folio]

that may be the case

That would be extremely useful if true

I shall experiment

[ashen mauve]

Could also be like, already deployed with bots, IDK, there seem to be ones with and without a skull

[faint rover]

Anyone know if combine blessings will work between different marks of the same weapon e.g. Mk2 and Mk4 combat axe?

[static turtle]

melk coins-wise, is it worth to buy his mystery milk or should i wait until he offers something not garbo?

[topaz lark]

he just gives you shop stuff

including greys

imo the whole weekly currency is worthless atm

[topaz lark]

its gonna work a bit different:
you will have to salvage the item to get its blessing token
you can combine blessing tokens into higher tier tokens
you can apply token to a weapon to replace existing blessing

[faint rover]

Riiight, so you can put any blessing on any weapon?

[topaz lark]

unlikely

[faint rover]

Then I still dont get it lmao

[topaz lark]

weapons seem to have a list of allowed blessings

even if its jank af right now

for example you obviously cant put a melee blessing on a gun

[faint rover]

Makes sense, so it's worth saving weapons that have blessings I want, even if they're not the same mark as they both share the same blessing pool

[topaz lark]

thats what im doing

[faint rover]

Thanks

[rigid wasp]

Which one is worth to invest?

[high hearth]

Anyone know how opening salvo work? Like, you need to wait for the recoil animation stop to have it active again?

[rigid wasp]

gotcha

[dim brook]

ok so I just did a missiontrying to get the On overwatch penance but only didn't get it? does toughness count as damage? or did it glitch out or something? either way I dislike this penance lol

[untold phoenix]

Is that the take no melee damage one?

Cause health damage counts but toughness should not

[dim brook]

bruh

Guess I gotta try again

[untold phoenix]

Yup, it's hard as hell

Taking melee damage at full toughness should negate health damage though

Might still be bugged however so good luck

[high hearth]

It can still be some bug in it but it is getable. It trigger after I did it twice, or maybe third.

[frosty knot]

some people say, jumping off a ledge and falling does not count as taking melee damage. try getting a team together and try that maybe itll help you get the penance

[dim brook]

aight, thanks all!

[fathom crag]

Ok now what

[verbal wyvern]

what mission level is best for maximum plasteel?

[fathom crag]

[oblique root]

Anyone willing to help me with Friends will be friends penance for Ogryn ? My teammates just somehow always fly away from me xd

[serene latch]

uninstall the game

[fathom crag]

based

[verbal wyvern]

Answered my own question

[sharp ridge]

it definitely doesnt, the match where nobody joined and it gave me 3 bots it was 2 vets and a psyker with me also on psyker

id love a bot ogryn cuz they would actually just revive people knowing it cant be interrupted

instead of being a lvl 26 that doesnt know about that

[rigid wasp]

https://i.gyazo.com/5129877b49de2a0af3de42fa0b1d3baa.png

i messed up a with my perk re roll, is it worth to upgrade it or just wait till i find another one?

Another assassin axe which i have with 380 based but the perk locked on +stamina and then i rerolled to get crit +4 with headtaker blessing