gameplay-help

[raw sage]

Never ever noticed. Guess I'm always looking behind me at the voices I keep hearing.

[ember creek]

The horde is beating the rejects to death

[cobalt tartan]

There's also at least one shared room in Smelter Complex and Power Matrix. The one with the short bridge.

[ember creek]

Fatshark gets captions

[stray arrow]

are the servers down or no?

[ember creek]

yes.

beta over

go back to bed

[cobalt tartan]

Depending on the mission you're entering the room from one side and exiting at the opposite side.

[cobalt tartan]

Beta is over, gotta wait for launch

[stray arrow]

progression is gonna carry over right

[ember creek]

yes

[stray arrow]

hu?

oh

[hard goblet]

If only the #📢news-bulletin existed.

[ember creek]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-21394280

[stray arrow]

i got a level 12 ogryn and a level 28 psyker

when i made a ogryn i realised i had been playing the wrong class (psyker) the entire time

so are there gonna be allot of new weapons tomarrow?

hopefully lots of ogryn weapons

[hard goblet]

We don't know.

[stray arrow]

i am strongest

also i would love some cristmas-santa themed cosmetics for ogryn plz my ogryns name is gigaclaus and has a white beard

[untold rivet]

anyone got any tips for the Psyker task where i have to push enemies off a ledge? i use my alt push but they just fall over, they dont fall over the edges 😦

[proper smelt]

Game is ready to play though?

like... what isn't ready

[stray arrow]

dont do it i tried it its hell unless you have firends to help u no

[proper smelt]

some endgame crafting?

[untold rivet]

@stray arrow but i really want the Psyker hood and i cant get it unless i complete that task 😦

[crimson fable]

@untold rivet have you tried asking in #psyker-class channel? Maybe there they can give you more info

[untold rivet]

oh

peeks

[stray arrow]

save yourself the trouble unless u have people to help u with it

isnt the beta over though as well

[crimson fable]

It is, we are all on the mournigstar at the bar now, chatting and drinking

[untold rivet]

Yes but wont those tasks still be running when the fuill release starts?

[silver ridge]

On one of the maps there’s a metal beam hanging off the side. You can do it on heresy or damnation and aggro all the mobs there

[untold rivet]

or was they just for beta?

[silver ridge]

It’s at the very beginning of the map

https://youtu.be/4W-iSglIeG0

[crimson fable]

They might get tweaked to be less tedious or difficult, but the core of them should remain the same

[untold rivet]

oh wow

ok i will be doing that for sure!!! thatnk you

i know that spot as well 🙂

this game is sooo adictive. i am already missing it. ( twiddles thumbs anxiously)

[slow fog]

Tfw you can't kill heretics today

[hard goblet]

To summarize: class balance, inconsistencies in core design philosophy, poorly conceived player achievement challenges that work against the cooperative nature of the game, pervasive stability and hardware issues, and bugs that directly impede gameplay progression.

All of this is compounded by a seemingly apparent lack of learning from past mistakes as this mirrors Vermintide 2's launch heavily. Only that was nearly 5 years ago (more than that if you count when VT2 started develoment). They've expanded their staffing but haven't seemed to match that in other areas. There are many basic features that are core to the game's progression that new players and players not experienced with Fatshark will be unhappy to need to wait for or weren't expecting to wait for since this isn't a "beta" anymore. Is it unplayable? No. Is it still fun? Yes. Should it have been done better? Yes and Fatshark should've been capable of it this time.

But it all comes down to what your standards and expectations are.

[proper smelt]

Achievements are hardly core gameplay. Stability is a mixed bag, a lot of people have had zero issues with stability

"core design philosophy" is not something that's fixable short of binning the game entirely adn restarting the development cycle

[stone wing]

achievements are hardly core gameplay

they are when people in quickplay try to force you to do stupid shit to get them

and thus degrade the experience

[hard goblet]

If you feel the game is ready to launch as it is and that there weren't things that should've been within FS's ability to fix long before they released the beta, then I have nothing else to say.

[proper smelt]

Game is feature complete, very stable

[stone wing]

lmao

[proper smelt]

ready for gold

[stone wing]

where's all the "It'S jUsT a BeTa" people

[light fable]

Can anyone help me get the soloing monstrosity achievement for psyker lol

[proper smelt]

I always ignore achievements

They should be remvoed imo

[light fable]

It's not just any achievement

It gives me cool clothes

[proper smelt]

You can just buy them

and not in red

im sick of everyone wearing only red

[stone wing]

have fun trying to ignore your quickplay team dying because they're trying to farm achievements

[proper smelt]

I've literally never had thsi happen

[stone wing]

then you're lucky

[light fable]

Defend the psyker for 300 seconds lol

[proper smelt]

And I've beenplaying probably 70% pubs

[light fable]

while they get warp stacks

Yeah idk I want that cosmetic in particular

[hard goblet]

Rapidly shifting goal posts to the "they'll fix it after launch, you'll see!" category.

[slow fog]

Game gud

[proper smelt]

actually im saying game is fine

game gud

[hard goblet]

And also prepping for the "stop being so entitled!" goal zone next.

[proper smelt]

skill issue

touch grass

i think that's everything

[hard goblet]

The classic cycle continues. At least this won't end up like Anthem.

[proper smelt]

what's anthem

[stone wing]

exactly

[crimson fable]

But red is cool, and red and black is also cooler

[untold rivet]

i wish there was just a black cosmetic. would look baddass

[slow fog]

Are there problems? Yes.
Is game gud? Yes.
Like 98% of the game rules, the combat feels good but has some flaws that need to be ironed out. UI could use some touching up. Some of the penances feel borked. But realistically the game as a whole rules and will get patches to fix 90% of the issues anyway (and surely create some new issues along the way, because game development)

[slow fog]

There is. Imperial Edition

[proper smelt]

i think there is

or mostly black

[untold rivet]

but isnt that a kind of dark blueish green? didnt look black in the images

[slow fog]

Yeah its black and white

[proper smelt]

there's a separate dark blue

[slow fog]

I could be wrong, but I thought it was black

[cobalt tartan]

The Styges hood and Mindwitch Raiment looked black to me.

[proper smelt]

I think the color is determined by the adjective

[untold rivet]

i saw a checkered texture set as well. and a army kind of green. but just was hoping on a full on black set

[slow fog]

its black

[proper smelt]

like lazar, penitent

something like that

[cobalt tartan]

Look at that IMMENSE collar on the Psyker raiment lol

[untold rivet]

thats in the armoury cosmetic section?

[proper smelt]

yes

[cobalt tartan]

Yup

[proper smelt]

So the 3d models each have names like stormwitch or something like that

[slow fog]

The Imperial Edition (collectors edition) gives you the black set

[untold rivet]

i didnt buy the Imperial edition though

[proper smelt]

and then there's a modifier that does i think color/pattern

[royal breach]

If they ask in voice chat and it is difficulty 3 or less I might say sure otherwise if I say no and they ignore me I just rush the next zone and spawn as many hordes of enemies as I can then run back to the psycher and let it overwhelm them then kill the boss myself. Worst thing that happens is they rage quit. I mean achievement hunting discords exist join one 🙂

[untold rivet]

i just bought the standard Darktide

[slow fog]

Usually they offer a collectors upgrade, if not immediately, then eventually

[proper smelt]

And each one has different patterns so like the zealot gets checks while the veteran gets camo

at least for now

hopefully they eventually add more

[cobalt tartan]

The Imperial Edition is unique cosmetics, you can find recolours of the standards in the armory

[proper smelt]

Also why are there no glasses

[cobalt tartan]

The Imperial Edition upgrade is already a listed DLC on steam.

[slow fog]

Ah there you go

[proper smelt]

My veteran character john darktide should be wearing sunglasses

[slow fog]

I should have named my vet JamesWorkshop

Hopefully we can do renames in the future

[proper smelt]

what if teh unque class outfits are literally just the same thing but with an extra skull on the belt

[slow fog]

Which unique class outfits do you mean?

[proper smelt]

though it is 40k so extra skulls is actually important i guess

[untold rivet]

any guesses if they will add other accessories like backpacks etc. i see in some of the cutscenes the characters of the classes you meet have lots of other stuff on them like a gunner has a radioheadgear etc,

[slow fog]

There is an accessory slot

[proper smelt]

They had a backpack as part of the i mperial edition bonuses

[slow fog]

Nothing in there yet as far as I know

[proper smelt]

so i think the answer is yes

"Cadian caducades backpack" was on the list of bonus items

[untold rivet]

\o/

[slow fog]

gib cape

[slow fog]

Fark, if they give us a cape and therefore cloth physics I think our computers will explode

[proper smelt]

hair and belt greebles already bounce around

[slow fog]

True

[proper smelt]

it wouldn't be impossbile to do at least a small pellisse

pelisse?

how do you spell that

[slow fog]

Second

Googled it

[proper smelt]

I woudl also accept a sabretache

[slow fog]

Backpack thats just a cage with a goblin in it

[proper smelt]

squigpack

[slow fog]

Also this

[proper smelt]

giant back banner

[crimson fable]

We have stygies equipment?!?!?!?

[proper smelt]

when can i get this guys hat

[crimson fable]

Oh, styges, not stygies

[slow fog]

Big ol Aquila on top of the shoulders

[slow fog]

Ive given up on General haha

[hard goblet]

One word: Zealot.

In more words: Counter productive to how class feats incentivize play.

[stone wing]

if you didn't take melee chip damage through toughness the game would be even easier than it already is

[slow fog]

IMO Zealot at the least - probably Ogryn too - need a way to avoid chip damage. My personal solution is that Zealot should ignore any chip damage while they have toughness based on a threshold of either health or wounds

[hard goblet]

It is a design philosophy that treats toughness as equivalent to VT's temp hp and ignores the presence of corruption damage.

[slow fog]

I think toughness works kind of well on the vet

If a little bit OP

Psyker being ranged it works OKish too

[stone wing]

if zealot didn't have chip damage

zealot would be broken

[slow fog]

Not what I said

[misty bear]

Yeah I've seen a lot of people be like "well you're not supposed to go low as Zealot you idiot, it's supposed to just give you something for getting chipped"

But also, it feels super bad that you have a bunch of feats and traits that just do nothing at all if you play well and stay above 80%

[slow fog]

I think if they are below like 20% health they dont get chip damage

[red crown]

Can someone explain how the camo talent works for Sharpshooter? Do enemies stop seeing you if you stand still, or does it only work for new enemies who haven't spotted you yet?

[hard goblet]

The consensus has reached towards both those points though.

[slow fog]

The reason is that the class is designed to be at low health

[hard goblet]

Zealot needs some reevaluating.

[slow fog]

The Zealot in VT had the same thing, but temp HP functioned as a buffer

So they could run around at 1hp just fine

Whereas if the zealot goes to 1hp through one of its core class features, its a dead man walking unless they take the specific talent that lets them regen some health via damage

It's just incongruous design

[stone wing]

you can also just block and dodge, melee damage is avoidable

the fact that you get hit in the back randomly by some ethereal void spawned poxwalker is the game's messed up spawning coming into play and will either be fixed or bitched about until the end of time

[slow fog]

That was what the class was designed to do

And they've set zealot up here to do the same thing

[stone wing]

yeah and it works great

as long as you are actually playing the game and not just spamming LMB

chip damage exists to literally prevent you from winning by spamming LMB

it's asking you to use the mechanics of melee to prevent the damage

[silver ridge]

I’m ok with the chip damage. Just want zealots to be reworked so I can see more of them in heresy/damnation. Mostly see veterans

[lapis raven]

that's just because vet was overtuned in preorder beta

hopefully they fix it up a bit

[novel tundra]

Well, two classes start very quickly dying on the power scale past malice, running my psyker on heresy and damnation is much more of a gamble than running my vet, despite the arguably greater cc and special killing potential. Least that’s how it’s felt to me, haven’t touched zealot yet

[lapis raven]

you'll see more of various classes when one stops being flat out better than the rest

[novel tundra]

Tbh wouldn’t mind if they were all at vets level rather than vet likely getting toned down

[lapis raven]

nah vet is too good and handles everything too well

it pulls away hard from the teamwork aspect of the game and goes back to the one-guy-solos-everything issue VT had

[wide swift]

So are the servers down until release?

[lapis raven]

yeah, 20hrs until they're back up

[wide swift]

my vein is itching

[lapis raven]

u can get ogryn soon dw

[novel tundra]

Idk about that, it’s I feel like it’s definitely harder to solo shit in but that’s mostly due to the busted ass director we have rn. The coherency bonuses and threat of random death for pulling away feels way more oppressive here than it felt to me in v2, but I could be goonin

[lapis raven]

it's def more punishing in a lot of ways; temp health not existing so you can't just trade hits changes stuff up a lot

every weapon tends to fall into a good role too barring a few overtuned ones

[novel tundra]

Definitely, though I feel that a much easier fix to some of the issues would be to roll back stuff like chip damage as I wager fixing the director is gonna take some elbow grease, and at least that’ll keep me from getting poked in the back by a single silent pox walker/random pod of elites (50/50) than simply appeared after clearing an area

[lapis raven]

chip damage feels fine, as does director at least to peeps i've been playing with

what diff have u been playing on?

i've had issues with getting backpoked but usually that's down to not actually clearing out guys who get knocked over or poxwalkers filtering in from adjacent rooms

just punishment for not checking my back, imo

[lapis raven]

you saying revolver overtuned?

[novel tundra]

I flipped between malice and heresy, tried damnation once, lasted about 6 minutes Bc we were all dicking around and got unlucky simultaneously 😂 though I mostly hang out on malice for grinding out mats n dockets

[lapis raven]

i hear that heresy was bugged for preorder beta period apparently

i remember playing malice +hordes without an ogryn

it was very painful

[slow fog]

Chip damage is fine unless your class is designed for melee

Honestly, if you're saying that toughness is fine as is for Zealot, I'm guessing you haven't played it at high level

They have taken the mechanics of the VT Zealot and pasted it into DT and the difference between toughness and temp hp are just too big to have it work

[lapis raven]

i've played zealot at high livel

i didnt really focus any one class in the preorder beta

got all bois to lvl 15/20

before it went down i was enjoying the thunder hammer (although the activated attack felt a bit too slow for how anemic the damage looked)

and i was playing on at least malice+

[silver ridge]

The director spawned a bulwark in front of me as I was mid melee swing

[slow fog]

I think the thunderhammer is more like the 2h hammer in VT, where its primary feature is stun/stagger rather than raw damage unless you LMB

[lapis raven]

it doesnt just teleport them in my man

you missed a ceiling hole or somethin

[silver ridge]

It did yesterday on heresy multiple times

It literally just materialized in front of me

[lapis raven]

unless maybe you were heavy lagging?

[silver ridge]

Nope. Others in my party saw it too

We killed it easily, I was just surprised

[lapis raven]

literally never happened to me in 70hrs of gameplay so i'll take your word for it

[slow fog]

I've had a dog do shinobi shit a few times haha

[lapis raven]

i'd chalk it up to unnoticed ceiling hole + server lag

but again, never had it happen

i did get heavy lag a few times and it was pretty awful and silly to play in

[slow fog]

One time I dodged one and it IMMEDIATELY 180d and jumped onto a door about 3m away, bounced off it, 180d back towards me and pounced me

[lapis raven]

i think they jump off walls yeah

i'm pretty sure i saw a clip where it looked like they have animations for it or something

[silver ridge]

I’ve also had it on trainyard spawn in enemies after you turn off the anti air turrets

[lapis raven]

that or it was just so quick i dont notice it

[slow fog]

I do wonder if they actually have OCE servers, or if they're doing some shenanigans to make it less laggy for people outside of Europe or America

[silver ridge]

I dropped to 0 frames for about a second and then a horde and 2 crushers materialized lol

It’s pretty funny

[slow fog]

Cause its either that or Mutants and Dogs have terrible dodge windows

[lapis raven]

dogs i had more luck with than mutants

[slow fog]

Cause I will straight up WATCH them miss me so many times

[lapis raven]

especially because you can just like, hit dogs out of the air

[slow fog]

And I'd still go down

[silver ridge]

Mutants I figured out how to deal with. Dogs are wacky if you don’t heavy attack them when they pounce

[slow fog]

Yeah I do push dogs, but like, I shouldnt NEED to, dodging SHOULD work

[silver ridge]

If you put your back to a wall mutants auto throw you as a mechanic so they don’t slam you out of terrain

[slow fog]

Again though, its probably lag

[lapis raven]

dodging in the open works, but not near terrain; which they seem to jump off

and yeah some of it's likely lag

any sort of lack of ground does that @silver ridge

they're coded to throw you into a "safe" spot too and don't just sprint off ledges with you

[slow fog]

On Heresy, mutants are probably my most hated enemy

[lapis raven]

you can stagger and counter charge them as ogryn so they aren't the worst vs a well rounded team

ogryn slap staggers a lot of elites you wouldn't expect it to

[slow fog]

They are just too tanky to reliably take down and very few things seem to reliably stun them.

[silver ridge]

I’m able to dodge mutants pretty consistently to my left and just need 2 heavy attacks from my power sword to die

Dogs I have to time my heavy when they pounce to just straight up kill them

If I don’t, the dogs freak out and backflip everywhere

[lapis raven]

power sword is one of the overtuned weapons rn so they're not the best checks for tankyness or not

[slow fog]

Yeah if they do a balance pass on release, I'm expecting a hefty nerf to powersword

Either that or a big buff to almost every other melee weapon

[lapis raven]

that would make melee weapons comically good and kinda obsolete the CC power of ogryn

[slow fog]

Yeah Im saying that if they want things to be balanced they would need to do one of the two things there. Obvs nerfing the powersword is way less work and way more likely

[pure ravine]

It might be good to nerf the bonus dmg when you charge it

[slow fog]

Yeah, considering its special has no on-hit animation-lock like most other melee specials AND it cleaves its kinda busted

Like chainsword/evi and force sword wont take down a mauler in one special and when they do spec, they're locked in place which both makes them super vulnerable and it can be interrupted

Vs powersword where you just charge and swing a few times

If it doesnt go down, do it again

And you've killed the mauler and anything near it

[pure ravine]

I feel like it's a good crown control sword and shouldn't be more, if you nerf it charged dmg it would be just strong enough for waves and just a sword without special against mauler or else

[spiral goblet]

I think the biggest issue with the power sword is that it's the perfect horde clear melee that is also great at single target. imo the damage makes sense for a power sword. The heavy attack shouldn't be horizontal swings but vertical, which makes it still good but less good at cleaving through entire hordes. Alternatively or additionally, have a slower activation/have it use a resource like heat.

frankly it kinda baffles me that vet gets it instead of zealot

[slow fog]

Yeah the fantasy of a powersword makes it make more sense for single target killing since its designed to pen

[pure ravine]

Yup

[slow fog]

Having it as a horde clear weapon is not so good

[lapis raven]

tbf it's not listed as a vet unique

(i think?)

[pure ravine]

i only saw vet using it for now

[slow fog]

Especially when its probably the best horde clear in the game on high difficulty

Vet only at the moment

Might change on release

[spiral goblet]

mmhm. I also think the same thing about the bolter. currently it's too easy to wipe out a horde on full auto cuz it pens through so many poxwalkers. Which bothers me lore wise and balance wise. The mass reactive rounds should be detonating inside the first walker.

Currently bolter is good vs hordes and arguably better than plasma at single target

[slow fog]

Yeah bolter is tricky cause you shouldn't REALLY be using it for horde clear

Due to low ammo etc

[pure ravine]

Plasma is pretty bad for what i saw and i dont get why

[slow fog]

But its very good at it haha

[spiral goblet]

does it feel awesome to shred a hallway with it? definitely.

[slow fog]

Oh yeah plasma needs a buff

[lapis raven]

plasma just needs to gen less heat per shot and it'd be fine tbh

[pure ravine]

And yes bolter is just oblitering everything

[spiral goblet]

on vet, I rarely have ammo issues, and I'm not even being a goblin about picking it all up.

[slow fog]

Plasma buff power sword nerf are probably the first changes in weapom balance i expect to see

[lapis raven]

without the vet ammo buff bolter ammo count seems fair

with that extra 40% it's just a bit much

[spiral goblet]

• Increased damage on initial target
• more suppression and aoe stagger

[slow fog]

Yeah maybe I'm being conservative with my ammo when I play bolter vet

[lapis raven]

intial target damage is why you charge it up

[spiral goblet]

like, if someone is putting a bolt of plasma through the dude to my right, I'm gonna be moving away from that

[lapis raven]

it doesnt suppress because suppression is a rate of fire thing

[slow fog]

I DO use it on mooks but very rarely just kn random hordes

[lapis raven]

at least, it feels like a ROF thing

[spiral goblet]

I think it is, unless the weapon has Terrifying Barrage

[pure ravine]

it's a ROF thing

[lapis raven]

shotties do suppression (at least on the guys who actually take it lol, dregs are bugged rn)

because shotties are lots of projectile impacts

[slow fog]

Yeah it seems weird that the plasma gun is the higher cost weapon for a marine, but the bolter is basically better in every way at the mo

[pure ravine]

I would like to see a plasma buff on first target dmg and a bolter nerf on penetration and AOE

[spiral goblet]

mmhm. plasma is harder to use, more ammo scarce, hurts you, doesn't do appreciably more dps, doesn't meaningfully pen more targets, and doesn't deal with hordes as well as the bolter

[lapis raven]

yeah logically a bolter's AOE should be small because it's mostly flesh being thrown around after embedding

[spiral goblet]

am I a bolter simp vet? definitely.
is it too good at everything currently? yup.

[lapis raven]

they're not impact explosives they're like, timed charges right?

or pen-depth charges

[spiral goblet]

I get the impression it's more the concussive force, and that's why the aoe doesn't do 'damage' per se

[slow fog]

Its genuinely quite weird. If there was going to be an OP weapon I would have expected the plasma before bolter haha

The plasma is arguably the strongest gun we can field

[pure ravine]

yup

[slow fog]

Lore wise

[spiral goblet]

mass reactive. they detonate shortly after penetration.

[slow fog]

I kind of like to imagine the explosion being body shrapnel

[spiral goblet]

(I see no reason we couldn't be firing a different type of bolter ammo for the sake of argument, BUT. It Does seem like that's what they're going for)

[burnt pendant]

Has anyone actually done any conclusive test on whether the "low hp" bonus for zealot only applies to regular melee? I assume it does, but I did not play Zealot.

The explosive shells from a bolter are supposed to work basically like WW2 explosive bullets, right?

[slow fog]

What do you mean regular melee?

[burnt pendant]

Well, hitting things with pointy things or blunt things on a stick. I assume it's a melee bonus, but then, the description ingame does not say so. Could be it also buffs his lasgun.

[slow fog]

Keep in mind that lacerate blessing on a dagger applied to stun grenades

[lapis raven]

lacerate is comically bugged

it triggers on itself

[burnt pendant]

So bleeding causes bleeding?

[lapis raven]

aye

it's why lacerate combat knife was so busted

[slow fog]

Haha yeah it rules

[lapis raven]

a bit like how the +8/10% elite damage stuff was busted

10x multiplier for some ungodly reason

[burnt pendant]

Didn't it also stack with other blessings and feats? Like toughness on a chained heavy?

[slow fog]

You could shove an enemy and they start bleeding

Also since it procced off itself, it never stopped

[lapis raven]

something i got told recently was pretty cool

[slow fog]

So hitting something meant it had a death sentence

[lapis raven]

special attacks and weapon-melee attacks seem to count as heavies

it's most obvious on ogryns

ogryn has talent that checks for heavies and adds +1 bleed if it is one

[slow fog]

Nade punch stronk

[burnt pendant]

I wonder if we'll be able to transfer blessings from one weapon to another where it normally can't roll, but could work.

[lapis raven]

all of 'em are

swinging the rumbler around was funny

[slow fog]

Oh yeah bleed shield

[burnt pendant]

So the nade punch would cause bleed on everything around you? Neat.

[stray arrow]

hey when will the game be released like what time?

[stable ferry]

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[hoary ore]

do we know if there will be a pre-install for gamepass on pc?

[narrow glen]

Is the game pass really worth the purchase?

[hoary ore]

I currently have gamepass (3 month offer thing) so is a good way to see how the game performs on my poor aging desktop before dropping cash on it.

[proper smelt]

Plasma already has heat management, they really should just triple the current magazine/ammo or something

And it should have extreme pen

Just shoot through entire hordes

Right now the way they rigged it to be clunky means it's already hard to shoot, combine it with all the other issues and you'd be mad to take it over a bolter

Which also has better effects and is more fun to use

Honestly they need to juice the graphics/effects on the plasma guns omehow

make it feel cooler

The bad guys's sniper rifle feels more powerful

it should feel like a damn rail gun

[shrewd pendant]

plasma gun sucks

[slow fog]

I think the idea is that on less thick targets, it would just go straight through

If it can pen power armour, a lad in flak armour is just going to have a hole and the person/s behind them would too

[dusty sphinx]

an autocannon?

[slow fog]

You may be slightly underestimating how hot plasma is

[burnt pendant]

Well, it's a fantasy game where common sense is extinct, but, physically, it is correct that, until the plasma field travels at ridiculous speed, its armour penetration would have no bearing on penetrating multiple targets.
It could be made to cause a wide arc of damage by bursting out behind the target, sort of a weak explosion that'd work somewhat like a beam staff charged attack from Vermintide, but from what you hit instead of yourself.

As for the Ogryn, it has 2 burst shotguns, a break-action shotgun, a machine gun, grenade launcher, and better (melee) grenade launcher.
An auto-cannon sounds like a slightly slower, heavy MG. ... a heavy Bolter?
Well, that really ends up theorycrafting. I did only very rarely seen a plasma gun, though, so it doesn't seem to be particularly popular.

[slow fog]

Im sure there are different types of plasma but, the plasma that gets used in some fusion reactors is 150,000,000c

Which is 10x hotter than the sun

I imagine something that hot being exposed to air would probably cause other problems realistically, but if we just say that the air doesn't immediately burst into flame and go thermonuclear through classic WH40K "don't question it, it's cool magic" then yeah, I think it would vaporise things

But yeah I dunno

I'm unsure how it is supposed to function in the fantasy. Is it a goopy ball that is similar to SUPER acid. Or is it just liquid super fire that vaporises you before it even touches you

It seems more likely to be the former

But I do think it shooting through people would be fine

I mean if its super super acid, it could burn through things without losing all its moment

I mean if there's one thing we can agree on is that plasma should be very stronk, with other drawbacks to balance it

Heat already exists and considering it also uses ammo, that's pretty huge

So it should just flat out be better than the bolter in terms of damage/dps

At least for burst until the plasma overheats

[shrewd pendant]

i think that tanky frontline targets are too weak and easily killable without needing a plasma so if they want the plasma to be good, they need to buff bulwarks and crushers

[slow fog]

Crushers maybe, bulwarks are fine imo

If you don't have a psyker, bulwarks can be a major pain in the ass

Especially if there's a tricksy trapper lurking behind them

[full sparrow]

I'm sure someone has asked, but are we going to need to redownload if we have been playing the beta?

[slow fog]

I dont think so

I imagine there will be a sizeable patch though

[raven dove]

Beta down until full launch tomorrow?

[frozen bloom]

In a nuclear fusion reactor, the hot, charged gas known as plasma reaches out of this world temperatures at 150 million degrees Celsius, or 10 times hotter than the center of the sun.
yet it is more or less harmless in those quantities, if it was outside of a vacuum it would just dissipate almost instantly I guess

[slow fog]

Yeah im no physics nerd

So I'm unsure what would happen haha

[proper smelt]

there's different types of plasma

[slow fog]

I figure either it dissipates or it causes a thermonuclear explosion

[proper smelt]

technically it's just a state of matter

Though i think it woudl be cool if it set everythign on the path of the projectile on fire

[frozen bloom]

i am not a fan of laser/plasma weapons, I like my good old kinetic force, you can get this recoilless too

[proper smelt]

and also did some sort of glowy eaten alive explody effect when it hits something

The only things we know about plasma guns is they involve plasma some how, glowy, gets hot, and good armor penetration

The rest of how it's portrayed is open to interpretation

[frozen bloom]

might as well replace it with a magic staff, same result

[proper smelt]

All i know is the current incarnation of the plasma gun is pretty lackluster

[slow fog]

I figure its going to wind up similar to Space Marine

Slow firing semi auto with fireball style "dropping" projectiles, with a charged shot that will be even shorter range with more damage and a small explosion

(gib plasma cannon)

[humble helm]

Is there anything beta players have to do to receive the Beta company cosmetics?

[slow fog]

I imagine its just to have played during the beta

[unborn pilot]

i just saw someone log in, are we back up?

[slender pasture]

Id say plasmagun is good for what it does

Pretty much pinpoint accurate even at long range (just have to be able to aim it well since you cant ADS)

Melts even heavily armored enemies

Pairs well with the anti- Ogryn/Monstrosity lvl 30 feat for Veteran which lets you 1-3 uncharged shot the non-boss ogryn enemies (yes even the armored ones) and deals like 30-40% of the boss ogryns and monstrosities with each fully charged shot to a weakspot

[lean estuary]

tips for dealing with daemonhosts? They seem very formidable.

[opal rover]

you trying to kill them?

[lean estuary]

what are my options?

[unborn pilot]

they're a boss, gang up, lots of bullets

[slow fog]

The best option is having an Ogryn with a shield trigger the fight, then run into a corner and plonk down their shield while everyone else nukes it

[opal rover]

sneak pass them

[obsidian prawn]

Not sure where to ask this, but do you think we will get more optimisation tomorow?

[slow fog]

Probably

But we have no real confirmation

I'd imagine at the very least we will see some minor tweaks

[obsidian prawn]

Well I hope so! Even without raytracing I get drops in frames

[clear zenith]

yes

fantastic game

great fun with friends

[little mauve]

Me and my friend been wondering

[cedar basalt]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3562935517304116453

[little mauve]

Thank you

[obsidian prawn]

Is there going to be seasons in darktide? I’m hoping not

[kind zephyr]

quarterly ones maybe.

[obsidian prawn]

I’m just hoping it’s not like season pass stuff tbf

[solemn parcel]

season of miserable weather and dark tidings

[obsidian prawn]

Seems like every game has to have a season pass these days, don’t feel it fits in dsrktide

[turbid dock]

It's a live service game, they probably went through all that trouble to do things like seasons

[warped oasis]

Many games try to adopt the Season Pass mechanic because it has proven highly profitable for other games. It's profitable because when it's done right, it provides a satisfying and progressive system for obtaining rewards that can be enjoyed by both paying and free customers.
Of course, like any payment system, balancing it properly makes all the difference. And there are plenty of examples out there of poorly implemented Season Pass systems. But when done right, it works pretty well.

[turbid dock]

It gives an extrinsic motivation for players to keep playing, something that was very lacking in vt2. Fatshark might be looking to remedy it

[fallen turret]

Oh right

Did they mention if the premium shop is going to sell only cosmetics?

[turbid dock]

They have stated that as their intention in one of their blog posts

Classes might be paid dlc, but probably not tied to Aquilas directly

[fallen turret]

Wooo get me that catachan rambo skin

[lean edge]

the entire player base would riot if they started selling actual power for rl money, that just isn't done in western markets, it's like a korean mmo thing

[fallen turret]

Ah i understand, i had a random thought of wjat if they did aomething like blizzard which i highly think not

Like with crafting

[wise anvil]

??? You sure ???

The whole western market is full with Pay2Win

[lean edge]

i can't think of a single aaa, non-mobile game that is pay to win

mobile markets are different

[turbid dock]

Two extremes, there probably a middle ground somewhere

[wise anvil]

Literally Starwars Battlefront 2

[fallen turret]

Huh

[stoic bramble]

How

[fallen turret]

Isnt swbf2 pay to progress

[turbid dock]

Didn't they change back their lootbox system?

[lean edge]

...the one where they removed all loot boxes and gave you everything?

[stoic bramble]

Pretty sure they removed it and that was that

Played it a ton last year

[lean edge]

because everyone complained about it...since western markets hate pay to win stuff

[fallen turret]

Oh i can think of one. Payday2

Dlc for days for weapons hahahaha

[turbid dock]

LoL and OW2 are kind of weird ones, where you pay for characters / content

[wise anvil]

There are examples, even in the western MMO market

[lean edge]

pretty sure that's an indy game, and dlc for content is not pay to win

[fallen turret]

Ah thats fair

[turbid dock]

Yea there's like content/powercreep but vt2 also did it with grail knight and sott sooo

[wise anvil]

EVE online is another example where money can give you a huge advantage

[turbid dock]

Eve online

Western market

[lean edge]

like, vt2 had dlc for characters and maps, how else could they keep making new characters and maps if people aren't paying for them? arguably some of the dlc classes are super strong but it's not like the original classes are invalidated

[wise anvil]

Before they got bought by pearl abyss man

[turbid dock]

You know their biggest spenders don't speak a word of english

[turbid dock]

Yea it's more like pay for content which I am okay with

[wise anvil]

I don’t think so, no i think their biggest spenders speak american english and have 3 kids while working as a software engineer

[prime moon]

Pay to win is not really a thing in games like DT and VT2 like who you winning against, the AI? Like come on people

[lean edge]

not a aaa game, but yeah you can buy tokens for real money to sell for in game money, but money alone often doesn't quite lead to pay to win in mmos like that, like you can buy a carry or something in world of warcraft, but you can't buy your way into a top raiding guild

[fallen turret]

This is true. More content means more fun

[turbid dock]

There are many cheaters in l4d/monhun/drg type coop games, I have totally no clue why you would cheat in a PvE game though

[lean edge]

it's just old school expansion packs, but smaller prices for less content

[wise anvil]

Buy skill injectors, inject into a Supercapital, easy advantage over a guy who has to skill for 2 years to get the same result

[wise anvil]

nobody knows

[prime moon]

Yeah if there is no pvp there isn’t really a point. God complex or maybe brain damage

[lean edge]

eh...by the time you're in a super capital, player skill matters a lot more than purchased in game skill, and by that i mean relationships, logistics, diplomacy, etc., the real end game of eve is not "shoot gun in big ship"

[turbid dock]

It's fine if they want to cheat in private but bringing it into a public lobby like why

[fallen turret]

Ngl when i was younger i did always cheat in monster hunter freedom on the psp. Just to see an akantor battle hahaha

[wise anvil]

I would not have a problem with this game having paid DLCs or at some point extra classes, not gonna lie. I would expect the game to run butter smooth first tho

[turbid dock]

Yea cheating in private is fine because you are playing a game to have fun.

Ruining the fun of others in a public lobby is like a no go

[lean edge]

me neither, i mean that's what they did with vt2, new maps, new classes, new weapons, those aren't pay to win, those are just new options / content that they spent money to develop and should be able to sell

[fallen turret]

We'll just riot if they start selling blessings

Bahahaah

[lean edge]

if they started selling loot boxes with a 1/100 chance to drop mastercrafted weapons, at $1 a box or $15 for 20, that'd be pay to win

[wise anvil]

First the devs need to focus on getting the game to run smooth tho, the performance is a disgrace

[prime moon]

Giving the elf javelins was griefing their own game, took more team damage from those bloody things then what the rats did to me

[lean edge]

haha, i think they turned off friendly fire in this game, otherwise full auto firing a bolter into the ass of an ogryn who jumped between me and a bulwark would have instantly gibbed him

[turbid dock]

Pub kerillian with a javelin suddenly the whole team becomes gentlemen

"You first elf, I insist"

[prime moon]

And thank the big G for that

[turbid dock]

It was a sound decision

[lean edge]

man i hope we get some more big, heavy weapons for the ogryn later, and a ranged focused gunlugger class

[wise anvil]

I hope Trapper gets more noticeable sounds i have a hard time making it out a lot of the time

[lean edge]

heavy bolters (regular bolters are already amazing), plasma cannons (regular plasma is uh...okay), lascannons (it's the lucius pattern lasgun with infinite punchthrough and 20x the damage, will one shot any elite and go through the entire horde), missile launchers (special action to load krak instead of frag missiles), heavy flamers (regular is already amazing, just do the same but 2x the range and 50% more damage), multilas (accatran pattern recon lasgun on crack, 2x the firing speed, 50% more damage, still sucks vs armor), the options are all amazing

[prime moon]

That was a lot of good text but what we really need is Plasma pistol, Inferno pistol and ofc bolt pistol

[fallen turret]

A double barrel shotgun

[lean edge]

oh yeah, we'll probably get melta tomorrow, that was in the first beta's icon leak

or maybe it's an upcoming dlc

[prime moon]

Also when is Ork powerclaw?

[serene latch]

he does have a noticable sound effects

the running sound and the taunt

[grim saddle]

are servers down?

[prime moon]

I just hope they nail cosmetics

[lean edge]

never? we're not going to win any good girl points for using xenos weapons, we're uh, like one demerit away from being ejected out the nearest airlock as is

[karmic sage]

Yes game doesn’t release until 6pm UK time. Games been down since last night while fat shark get the game ready for todays release.

[grim saddle]

Oh man 😢

Ty for the answer

[prime moon]

I think the inquisitor would accept my proposal to give everyone “kostum shootas ” that is as likely not to work as killing the user. I see all the good girls points for this

Even a promotion to run the inquisition

[fallen turret]

Wouldnt it be cool if theres a global scoreboard of heretics killed

[prime moon]

To see how much better people is then me no thanks

[fallen turret]

No no like

A total number

[prime moon]

That I support

[fallen turret]

Just the please the emperor

Bahaha

[wise anvil]

can’t hear that over 50 other enemies and my gun shooting and explosions going off

maybe that’s just me but i think it’s a bit whack, especially because it’s a 1 shot incapacitate if you don’t notice it

[prime moon]

I would like they added some weapons choices starting a new character, playing with the axe even just for 2 games is a horrible experience that no man should ever have to endure

[lean edge]

i like the combat axe a lot...but i think you start with the tactical instead?

[prime moon]

I don’t remember names but the one with no cleave I hate it so much

Zelot starting weapon It could also be that I came straight from the power sword. it could also be that

Power sword broken op

[fallen turret]

A power axe pls

[lean edge]

i mean, the power sword may actually be the best overall melee weapon in the game, it's good for elites and for hordes

i think there are a lot of zealots who would trade a thunder hammer for a power sword

there's a reason why it's THE iconic power weapon in the setting

[tranquil grove]

Power axe bisects vertically instead of horizontally

[fallen turret]

Wouldnt that be cool

[lean edge]

yeah but probably nowhere nearly as good as the sword for clearing hordes, you can cut like 10 zombies in half in one charged heavy swing

[copper chasm]

if thunder hammer had pen and the special cleaved it would feel a lot better

[prime moon]

Yeah, many weapons seems too one sided. Like cleave or single target dang

[lean edge]

i think the thunder hammer should have pen on its light, and unpowered attacks, at least as much as the axe, but the way a hammer is swung, it really shouldn't cleave too much, because you're just kinda pushing poxwalkers into other poxwalkers after the first 1-2, it's not going to go through them like a sharp weapon would

[slow fog]

Axe isn't that bad at all

L L push stab is decent for horde management

[lean edge]

combat axe is really good, used it for a long time on my psyker

[slow fog]

Obvs good for single target

[lean edge]

tactical axe i'm not as enamored with

i haven't used the chainaxe because i unlocked it after the power sword, and...why would you put down the power sword

chainsword's also pretty good for horde clearing and for elite killing, the special action does so much damage, it'll shred a boss shield

[fallen turret]

Oh i thought chainsword was the most effective against like bulwark or carapace enemies

[slow fog]

Chain axe kinda blows

Its basically the regular axe but with the chain catching on light hits

Which is just...

[onyx knot]

chain axe has that thing where your pov moves to where the swing hit is
also works on light attacks

[slow fog]

Not what you want for your only horde clearing moves

[onyx knot]

maybe we get a melta gun on release for armored carapace 🙏

[ivory wing]

Are we down until release?

[slow fog]

Its kind of a shame actually, I really want a good chain axe

[fallen turret]

Yep

[ivory wing]

Lame

[lean edge]

i don't know how practical a melta gun is, because, well, it's super short ranged, and can't have much ammo

[slow fog]

Well not necessarily

Melta isn't super short range on TT I dont think

[onyx knot]

im saying this cuz dint we see a melta sigil thingy on first beta

[lean edge]

well, it's half the range of a bolter

same as a shotgun

[slow fog]

In Space Marine it was basically a shotgun

[fallen turret]

Maybe like a narrower flamethrower range

[lean edge]

granted shotguns are pretty good in this game (except vs armor), so if they make it an armor piercing shotgun with half the ammo, it's not going to be useless

[slow fog]

I guess if it has the same range as the combat shotgun thats fine cause the combat shotgun rules

[lean edge]

but there are going to be situations where you need that reach for snipers, bombers, flamers, trappers, dogs, etc., that need to die right now, and you can't chase it across the room through a horde

and melta gun isn't going to help you

[onyx knot]

looks great

[tranquil grove]

I imagine its just gonna function like a short range spartan laser

big bwwwwwwm

[onyx knot]

curious what it would sound like

[lean edge]

it's probably better on a zealot than a veteran

since vets are expected to do long range anti specialist work

and zealots need to handle short range armored threats like crushers and bulwarks

[tranquil grove]

Veterans doing the 100% accuracy penance

[onyx knot]

there are no variation of shotguns so make it the melta

[tranquil grove]

https://tenor.com/bXiHt.gif

Its swordin time

[fickle sable]

Nah man, zealots whimper at armor. That job is for the psyker

[lean edge]

psyker is pretty good vs armor if they use the lightning staff, brain bursting ogryns take a long time

[fickle sable]

yea, I feel the zealot excels at clearing close stuff all of it except the armor.. really I feel the armor can be mostly ignored until the little stuff is gone, but I play as an ogryn and the armored units are not super effective against the ogryn.

[lean edge]

eviserator and thunder hammer are pretty great vs the big stuff, flamer's pretty great vs hordes, zealot is kind of ideally positioned to take on elites

ogryn just has so much stagger and knockback that they can sort of soft cc a lot of elites and wait for the other teammates to clean up, or just bash on the elites while they're down and eventually you'll get them

[quick remnant]

The only thing I want changed on the Power Hammer is the special attack

I want it to proc on the last hit and not the 1st one

Same for the Force Sword and the Chain Sword

[cobalt tartan]

I'd like to have them do something different on a heavy attack.
Give us that thunderous blast of AoE on a charged up TH heavy and a wide cleaving VRRRRRR on a charged up chainsword heavy.

[hexed pagoda]

On training wheels difficulty maybe

[mystic drum]

Always found eviscerator, uh, eviscerates armoured lads

[tribal wagon]

Guys, I have a question if you don't mind

When do you actually login in the game? Before you get to the characters screen or after?

Like if I pressed space in the main menu, is this considered to be logging in?

Sorry for the stupid question lol. Just asking to be sure of getting the beta rewards

[burnt temple]

I would assume its basically taking any action into the game, so that would mean pressing Space at the launch screen

I could be wrong and it could be just starting the game from the launcher

[fickle sable]

I hear zealots whimper and complain about a lack of CC on discord about bullwurks and those carapace ogryns, thats my experience, but I haven't played the class or ever really noticed zealots taking those down, on heresy.

[hexed pagoda]

depends what weapon you use, with axes/eviceratir you totally can
with hammer, not so much

Psyker does almost no dmg to elites on heresy+

even with 4 stacks + force sword charge you cant 2 shot most things

[tribal wagon]

Yeah, I guess so. Because when I pressed space, it placed me in a queue, so I would assume it would require me to login first to get in such a position

thanks!

[deep pumice]

is the bolter class restricted?

[tepid skiff]

zealot and vet.

[tepid quarry]

Is there a serious alternative to the bolt gun for the veteran on heresy+?

Veteran always lacks CC, I just specialize on killing the elites

[burnt pendant]

That's kind of his job, yes.

As for the question above, yes, getting to the character select screen should constitute as logging in.

[tepid skiff]

kantrael 12, shotgun, revolver, all seem to work fine. some people even use plasma.

[near timber]

I personally like the plasma builds

[tepid skiff]

dakkatran too.

[fathom kite]

What difficulty do daemonhosts show up in?

[tough cove]

I like shotgun, kantreal builds, nice and versatile

Or I go all the way and just go plasma with insta reload perk, 4 charged shots in a short span

Bolter is .. it works but I'd rather just be flexible

But I'm also one of those vets that doesn't run camo

[orchid cove]

Hey guys, no Perk rerolling today ?

[tepid skiff]

probably not, but it's not definitive.

[rigid wasp]

Weird

[bold saffron]

what dis?

anyone got some refrence images?

[fallen turret]

the XXXXXL helmet is obviously for psykers since their heads are huge

[rigid wasp]

I think they show some in the launcher

[pale saffron]

🅱️

[bold saffron]

My launcher is just Darktide play and Settings

[bold saffron]

ah rgr

[tough cove]

I have to agree with the other chats the past few days, mobility > camo
Combined with the other 2 options being either 75% reduced ranged damage during ult (which can be refreshed by killing elites thereby reducing ranged incoming damage) or the one I prefer, stamina gain on dodging ranged attacks, since I do a lot of sliding from cover to cover and to close in on enemies instead of trying to slug it out with them

I also like to stay with my teammates when they're for example carrying ammo cryo containers on logistratum, instead of stand on the side and kill the occasional special, like no, get in there, help carry, throw and shove enemies away.

[rigid wasp]

I kill specials and stagger hordes, flagstorm is greet@for dealing with hordes too

[tough cove]

I understand those vets probably also take deadshot, so they have even less stamina, but those are the same guy usually who can't dodge a dog or shove a burster

[rigid wasp]

Fragstorm *

“Skill issue” actually my build is just better than yours

[burnt pendant]

It can appear in missions with the "lights out" modifier, to my knowledge. I've seen it in diff 2, so it shouldn't be too gated.

[tough cove]

Ehm... okay? on a scale from 0 to 10 how full of yourself are you?

[lapis raven]

They appeared during normal missions in that timeframe too

[tough cove]

Confirming this, saw it on normal missions as well

[burnt pendant]

So, I've been thinking: Do feats on veteran and zealot actually meaningfully improve the experience, and allow to do new things, or do relevant things better?
It occurred to me yesterday that that may be the case, but I just never felt it on my psyker. Which may be the Psyker feats, hence I'm asking.

[tough cove]

I feel liek they give you the option to kinda enhance a certain playstyle or another, but nothing dramatic as forcing you into it

as a subclass would

Like now we have a veteran - sharpshooter
Perhaps later we'll have a veteran - shocktrooper

For example the 8 stacks of bleed on grenade is amazing if you care about teamwork at all, combined with grenade regenaration, because if you have an ogryn with bleed build on him, it means you can throw your bleed nade and he can charge in and at the destination already have the 50% damage immunity from bleeds without needing to build bleed stacks first, zealot also benefits if they have the bloodletting perk

I don't really know if / how bleeds interact with psykers though, psyker is the last class I need to get to 30

[turbid dock]

psyker has no bleed synergies

but damage is damage

[polar leaf]

Our service to the throne begins soon, sons and daughter’s of the imperium we will fight and die in the name of the god emperor, back to back together live or die we will, our glory and death is here on Tertium, with faith and fire, with blade and bolter, brothers and sisters of the guard! Who am I? who am I? and only in death dose our service to the throne end.

[tepid skiff]

he has another dot, worse.

[patent sapphire]

two biggest impact feats for vet imo are the grenade regen and the ability refresh perk and those mostly just enhance what you want to do anyways as vet

overall i guess they seem to have good synergy with what the vet wants to do

[unique forge]

I love the game literally hasn't released yet and we've 'experts' saying people are trash at the game

"Oh those are the ones that can't dodge" lol, ok, it's been a week

[lapis raven]

a number of fundemental skills transfer over from previous 'tide games, mainly vt2

[unique forge]

I've 2k vt2 hours

[lapis raven]

ok?

[unique forge]

I'm not calling people trash here

[lapis raven]

yeah it's not a requirement

[flint stone]

When can we play the game again?

[unique forge]

So then why did you respond with that if it's not a requirement? Sounds like defending toxicity

[lapis raven]

"practice more" is valid feedback for new players if they havent got the ingrained reflexes and whatnot from previous 'tide gaming

[unique forge]

It's been a week dude

[lapis raven]

my man i'm not saying being toxic is acceptable

i'm agreeing: people haven't had time

[golden hill]

I don't think a lot of people ask for feedback, therefore they don't care for it

[turbid dock]

where is this being discussed i cant find it

[lapis raven]

tru but that's what you get for complaining on a generalist public forum

[turbid dock]

who is calling who trash again?

[lapis raven]

nobody in particular

[burnt pendant]

I guess that is a difference. Psyker just gets more synergies with warp charges, which you generate from Brain Burst, which is something you really don't want to do. 🤦‍♂️

[tough cove]

Why not? What's wrong with brainburst?
I feel like the sweet spot for it is on malice can you can 1shot most specials, but then suddenly on heresy you can't 1shot BB a dog anymore, whereas on the 2 lower difficulties they're dead anyway before you finished your cast.

[turbid dock]

its great for ambient, horrible for horde/events

it does give you a ranged option if you run purge/surge staff though so at least you arent cowering in fear from a sniper like a flamer zealot/rippergun ogryn

[tough cove]

That's why I like it, you don't even need a headshot, it's not a tool for hordes, it's one of your tools, like you pointed out for hordes you got staves and melee.

It's like having a 2nd ranged weapon

[turbid dock]

yes psyker is more like a multitool, not as good as a dedicated tool, but can definitely solve alot of problems

[tough cove]

Agreed

[turbid dock]

ppl want brainburst to be like <the best> tool for everything and it isnt that

[lapis raven]

psyker BB is fun for anti-sniper too, especially when they're 1km and hidden in the darkness

"oh hey i see your laser"

[patent sapphire]

the tragedy of the psyker is everyone being conditioned not to shoot the brain burst target on diffs 1-3 and then all of the sudden it can’t kill on it’s own in 4+

[lapis raven]

2 seconds pass and you just seek [name] killed scab sniper

[turbid dock]

1shot elites, stagger horde in aoe, charge faster, etc

[tough cove]

"and now your brain is gone"

[lapis raven]

yeah unironically it's really important to weaken BB targets @patent sapphire

there's loads of times I've 1 shotted a BB target that isn't technically 1shottable simply because my team was also laying into them

[patent sapphire]

i haven’t gone into meat grinder with psyker so idk how much damage it actually does

but i figure it’s still high damage just not killing

[tough cove]

I find this part very anoying in a way actually.
Because a lot of people don't mark enemies.
But then when I BB something, they pay attention to that guy, because why would I be BBin'g it otherwise, so then they start taking it down.

[lapis raven]

it tends to do 70% or so of required damage

[turbid dock]

it also gives you a invalidate bulwark tool no matter what your melee/ranged loadout is

a brainburst will open them up to zealot's evis

[patent sapphire]

im guilty of head popping a bb target in malice with the mg xii

[lapis raven]

nade regen vet has that too tbf

[patent sapphire]

but i try not to

[tough cove]

and crushers, cause I still see more than enough people shooting crushers with weapons that plink off carapace armor

[turbid dock]

you can push ccrushers to the floor with force sword its so funny

[tough cove]

really? XD

[turbid dock]

yea push attack you can control like 2 crushers easily

[tough cove]

What's your opinion on the special attack of the sword?

[turbid dock]

great vs mutants or 1v1 elites

[lapis raven]

use it against a boss and see their hp drop comically fast

[turbid dock]

its just like a fast brainburst but melee and you cant dodge

[tough cove]

I've been using the combat axe instead to have a bit more stamina for combat and pushing, haven't really given the force sword a proper try, but the low stamina was off-putting for me

[turbid dock]

force sword push can floor all elites except bulwark

[lapis raven]

you can offset the low stam with the peril-replaces-stamina talent at lvl 20

[turbid dock]

but i would suggest duelling sword, its like a faster axe with a little less armor pen

[tough cove]

Ah yes, I had only just unlocked that feat, I didn't think about that

[turbid dock]

also deals with hordes

[lapis raven]

dueling sword is nothing like the axe, it takes ages to kill anyone with it

axe oneshots a lot of standard guys

[burnt pendant]

The problem is that you're pressing LMB while staring at a wall for 3 seconds, to do something the Vet can do better, when you could instead be using your force staffs to not only contribute more, but also have significantly more fun.

[tough cove]

That's why I took it mostly, so that if some trash gets through I can just 1 slice chop it and go back to staff

[turbid dock]

duelling sword heavy is overheads, the lights are for horde

and the dodge is so insane you can kite anything

[tough cove]

Dueling sword comes with the mobility stat then I take it?

[lapis raven]

my dueling sword had a stab heavy

[turbid dock]

i use the mk V

[lapis raven]

variant type ah

[turbid dock]

i usually combo it with the surge staff because surge has the cc, my melee can be damage/horde/elite dps

if you use voidstrike/purge force sword might be better because you get the forcesword push to help you deal with ragers

[tough cove]

I also went with surge staff, the damage potential of the voidstrike is undeniable, but being able to CC even elites with surge, simply to prevent them from hitting my teammates, felt very powerful

I had 1 guy complain though, he said me using surge near him made his sound go very hollow

[burnt pendant]

The ability is mind.bogglingly boring, doesn't mesh at all with the rest of your kit, and on higher difficulties it isn't even particularly useful. Sure, it's nice to take out the odd sniper, or other special, from cover, but half your traits and feats require you to regularly use it - and unlike the grenades, that just isn't fun. It's repetitive. So I tend to just ignore it, and, by extension, warp charges, and thus the feats feel completely meaningless. Most levels at least have one choice that isn't related to warp charges, though Level 25 does not.

[turbid dock]

yea its a great, but i hate how unreliable it is depending on the density of the elite/horde mix

[tough cove]

That's my own problem with it, the limited amount of targets and you don't know which ones it will pick

[turbid dock]

you dont need to care about warp charges imo it doesnt give you any meaningful breakpoints in heresy/damnation

[tough cove]

I completely understand this frustration because even though I appreciate the tool, I just can't be arsed to keep my warp charges at max

[turbid dock]

either take the passive warp charge gain or just ignore it

[vagrant edge]

can i ask a gear related question here

[tough cove]

Yes

[turbid dock]

unless you are a ascendant blaze chad then join the gang

[lapis raven]

if warp charges increased brainburst charge speed they could be more interesting

positive feedback loop for using the ability

[vagrant edge]

i have corruption resistance on all 3 of my curios, yet it seems to not do anything while having grims in the party, what does corruption resistance actually do or is it bugged?

[lapis raven]

probably resists corruption from enemies

[vagrant edge]

no

[tough cove]

Perhaps they should change that into a feat, like how veteran can pick between generalist or really go sharpshooter role.
Then Psyker could go a BB-heavy build

[vagrant edge]

it states only from grims

[lapis raven]

hmmm

less over-time corruption?

[vagrant edge]

thats what im hoping to get clarified

[tough cove]

Funilly enough I found that health curios help more surviving the curse than curse resistance, that's also why Ogryns have such an easy time with the curse (high base health), it seems to curse a certain amount of health, not a % of health.

[lapis raven]

we'll have to see when servers come back up

[turbid dock]

check fatshark's bug report forum if there is a topic like that

[lapis raven]

yeah i remember having triple ogryn and it was kinda silly watching them lose like 1hp to corruption and it barely moves the bar

[tough cove]

yea lol

[turbid dock]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/corruption-resistance-grimoires-is-not-working/61204

there you go, easy acknowledged bug

[tough cove]

I have stam curio on my ogryn and 2 health curios and it would literally take about maybe 1 wound on malice

[vagrant edge]

so stack health until its fixt instead?

[tough cove]

I'd say yes

[turbid dock]

just dOnT geT hIT

but yea stacking health helps

[vagrant edge]

cewl ty

[lapis raven]

tbh not sure how i feel about new grim functionality

it makes the match into a time rush, essentially

[tough cove]

I used to prioritize toughness, but these days I basically run 1 stamina and 2 health or 2 stamina and 1 health, but on heresy and damnation I'd like to bring 1 wound, 1 stamina, 1 health

[tough cove]

I feel they also ruined their value

in VT2 1 grim was 50% of the value

here having 1 book is like 10% of the value

you either go all in or you ignore it completely

[lapis raven]

yeah it's weird

valuing is something they can easily tweak though, so that's good at least

[turbid dock]

i think you need just 1 toughness to make sure you dont get immediately broken after 1 burst from dregs

then stamina is good

[tough cove]

I mostly malice, only occasionally heresy, and only did damnation twice, but I prefer to get in melee with the ranged guys before aggroing, tieing them up in melee before they start shooting, but indeed if they're already blasting you, that's when extra toughness definitely starts paying off

I found that the slugfests usually were the slow attrition to death of the team, not so much the melee stuff

[lapis raven]

toughness regen is pretty mad when you have an ogryn with the +100% regen aoe talent

[agile nexus]

Anybody can explain what's the difference between a Darktide class and a Vermintide career?

[tough cove]

At some point we are apparently getting more subclasses

so it will be pretty similar

just think of it this way for now, all we got is kerillian waystalker, no handmaiden or shade

only the vanilla core, no alternatives

[agile nexus]

I mean, instead of having Kruber/Kerillian etc we have Veteran/Zealot etc

[tough cove]

Yea, before you had kerillian, she can be 3 things.
Maybe in 2 years from now you'll have veteran and instead of only being able to be a sharpshooter he can also pick either shocktrooper or forward observer.

now we have a zealot preacher, maybe a year from now we'll also have a zealot priest

🤷‍♂️

[rigid wasp]

God I hope@to be a shock trooper@

[burnt pendant]

They already said in the past that they will, instead of more characters, go with extra careers on their next title, which happens to be darktide.
Traits like the Ogryn's extra stagger on melee, when he already has a completely exclusive set of melee weapons, only make sense if there's a future class without that trait.
So I expect a second set of classes next year.

They can mostly keep the voice lines and everything, too. I hope for a Psyker class that... does something. Anything different from the current one is a win in my book. A less tedious "grenade", a more impressive active, feats I might actually want. I'm leveling towards level 30 just so I can try the soulfire spam, and if that is as underwhelming as it well may be, I guess I'll sit it out on my Ogryn until such a time that people convince me to try again.

[strange wyvern]

is the server up yet

[little coyote]

in two hours

[north wolf]

So, if I understand this right: Perks and such all go into an items "budget", so the theoretically best items to get, are grey, that you hand-upgrade at the crafter, because they have their full budget spend on stats, and get perks on top?

[patent sapphire]

it’s possible to get a green/blue/purple with high stats but rare and we don’t have the info to accurately tell the actual base rating without doing pixel measurements yet

if you start from a grey one you know for a fact how many points are stats and how many points are perks/blessings

[north wolf]

I already had unpleasant run-ins with unclear weapon stats.

[oak palm]

So me getting the imperial upgrade will that currency stuff go on all my characters?

[pearl night]

Seems that way, yes

[lilac heron]

Anyone know what depth of field does? And should i even keep it on especially since i got dlss on?

[north wolf]

I had a infantry lasgun with infernus that was really strong. But since it didn't have a "crit" stat on it, I assume each attack has a baseline crit chance. So when I found a recon lasgun with infernus on it I went: "Oh this is gonna be so much better, much higher fire rate, much more crits" but then I tried it and it turns out: the higher fire rate weapon has a WAY lower crit chance. To the point that I would have fewer crits per minute, despite having way more shots per minute.

[pearl night]

But that's super min-maxy to the point where I just wonder how much of a difference it makes.

[north wolf]

Depth of field makes stuff you're not looking at blurry. Some think it's pretty, some think it's ugly, it has not a huge performance impact.

[lilac heron]

Okay im blind asf so itll prob make sense to turn it off then😂 appreciate it!!

[north wolf]

This is a depth of field effect. What's not in focus appears blurry.

From what I recall, the DoF effect in darktide is quite minor.

[lilac heron]

Does it also affect non-ADS as well? Like blurring far objects?

[north wolf]

The only moments where I noticed a strong dof effect was when downed:

If you open that to full screen, you can see it quite strongly. I believe during normal gameplay, dof is almost non-existent.

[lilac heron]

Thats interesting, okay yeah i wanna be able to easily see and ping distant specials and elites and what not, so having it off would definitely make sense

Thank you!!

[north wolf]

I don't think dof would have a real impact on you seeing anything during regular gameplay if I'm quite honest. But you can feel free to turn it off. Personally I just usually get rid of bloom as I don't like it.

You might want to disable motion blur as well. I think that was in the options.

[eternal bone]

I disable all of those things

motion blur, depth of field, lens flare, god rays, etc

anything that messes with perception has to go

[north wolf]

I disable motion blur lens flare and bloom, because I'm not a camera.

[steel wing]

kinda funny in my end , even i put it all low or full high with rtx off , i still getting 40-60fps

i have 3060 with i5 11k but i never have it stable

[hard goblet]

Optimization was still subpar in the early access period, yeah.

And the Hab Dreyko map in particular was even worse after they pushed that last update.

[steel wing]

i read somewhere they have plan to downgrade stuffs but i dont think they will make a change in new update

[burnt pendant]

Actually, consecrating an item increases its rating by the point cost of the perk or blessing being added.
White items theoretically go to 400 rating, orange items may reach 560 or so (give or take).
A white item is superior as a crafting base if found in the shop with a similar rating, but usually, higher rarity items you can buy will have a higher rating.

[polar leaf]

new players ill start a stream at 19:00 if you want pointers https://www.twitch.tv/gankalf42o

if you are new and want somone to play dm here and we will sort it out.

[burnt pendant]

I'm already looking forward to the gear calculator by Manshanko that was promised in that one stat video. 🙂

[oak palm]

So every tell me to save my special currency for stuff in the shop, BUT then then tells me to upgrade from white tf do i do?

[patent sapphire]

you should use your regular coins to buy higher rated items in the shop periodically

upgrading a weapon from white is end game stuff for people with too much time/money

people cleared heresy/damnation with blues in the beta so it’s a long term chase thing to make the perfect weapon for yourself

[oak palm]

oh alright thank you

[patent sapphire]

we don’t really know how things are going to shake up in terms of what’s the best strategy or optimal way to upgrade so it’s hard to advise people to spend melk coins or crafting mats yet

play with what you get and enjoy the time where people are still figuring the game out

[oak palm]

But I wanna be the best Like no one ever was....

[jaunty sierra]

Is the power rating of items in armory based on my trust level?

[rigid wasp]

Considering how perks are able to be crafted away/added the best thing to spend currency will just be whatever has the fattest bars

[jaunty sierra]

Help Is the power rating of items in armory based on my trust level?

[rigid wasp]

yes

[jaunty sierra]

Am i suppose to buy gear whenever it has a higher rating than my current gear?

or should i be saving up to buy later?

[rigid wasp]

I did a conservative upgrade strat to 30, didn't buy much until it was clearly a big upgrade

[hard goblet]

Lol they're all betas.

[rigid wasp]

It doesn't matter until you're pushing high difficulty

[jaunty sierra]

how much rating increase do you suggesting to buy? 10+, 20+, 30+?

[rigid wasp]

TBH I think I bought every 50 or so

[midnight aspen]

Buy one of each weapon just to try it out, but then "upgrades" are kind of eh. Save money for cosmetics

[karmic needle]

how do i play ?

[jaunty sierra]

Do you buy at Armory or Melk shop?

[rigid wasp]

for sure save melk for endgame

Its a much rarer currency

[jaunty sierra]

Which is better? Do easier difficulty or should i risk harder difficulty but sometimes might fail the run?

[karmic needle]

why is the game reccommending ray tracing ? doesnt that eat all ur frames ?

[rigid wasp]

Whatever you do don't try to go past 3 (or even 2) until you know how to play well

[midnight aspen]

The way I do it is tier 1, level 1-10, tier 2, 10-20, tier 3 level 20-30. Tier 4 is if you hate yourself

[jaunty sierra]

any tips for how to win in higher difficulty?

[midnight aspen]

Or have a premade

[karmic needle]

dont die

[jaunty sierra]

the ranged guys touch me and i melted

[karmic needle]

10mins

[midnight aspen]

Two ways to fight range. Have a firefight and get a bunch of chip damage, or have your melee guys go in so they drop their weapons

[karmic needle]

1 word

TANK

[hexed pagoda]

if you are used to vermintide on legend/cata, with books:
Level 1: Tier 2
Level 5: Tier 3
Level 10-12: Tier 4

[polar leaf]

https://www.twitch.tv/gankalf42o if you are new and want pointers or someone to play with hit me up glad to help.

[karmic needle]

pls dont advertise ur twitch in the help channel

[jaunty sierra]

Do I need to do any crafting? Or is it for late game only?

[midnight aspen]

Isn't crafting the only thing they confirmed, and that it wasn't in initial release?

[polar leaf]

it is for helping im starting over showing the the basicis of the game

'cant be more help then that

[gusty silo]

Late @jaunty sierra

[jaunty sierra]

So basically I need to save my gold and only buy when the gear is 50+ rating increase

[midnight aspen]

As with just about every game ever, don't use currencies for upgrading, adjusting, etc until max level.

You can, and it's your experience so do what you want in order for YOU to have fun, but it's just not efficient to do

Servers up

Ugh 327 queue

Lol 5 gig update

[mystic wyvern]

Did they fix the surge staff's instant 1 shot if you charged it above 80ish%?

[nova cipher]

better than my queue of 20k

[odd axle]

Is there going to be a grace period for the queue if you crash while playing?

[obtuse crescent]

i'd ask this in general but it's quite busy. will steam players be able to play with gameplass players? or do i need to download it on gamepass?

[tribal wagon]

did you guys receive the pre order and beta bonuses yet?

I mean were you notified in the main menu?

[cursive citrus]

aha, so this is why poxbursters sometimes could be push+dodge avoided, and other times they just ignored the push im guessing?

[magic mirage]

Do imperial edition owners get the epic fortnite battle pass for free?

[hard hollow]

Is there a patch notes somewhere? I can't seem to find it.

[sour depot]

im stuck with 100% installation 0:00 seconds left for few minutes, should i reset steam or wait?

[hard hollow]

Nah it's just verifying files. Leave it.

A lot of people are downloading rn.

[magic mirage]

Darktide battle pass, I just shid out my ass

Genuine question tho

[shrewd pendant]

What's the deal with everyone hyping up sharpshooter like it's so broken op and that zealot is so trash useless when zealot has like 5 different OP bugged builds and is functionally immortal with the chip damage removal at 100% toughness?

[magic mirage]

I only ever play Ogryn

Can someone pls answer my question I have the imperial edition do I get it free?

[median moon]

Im locked in some eternal validating and updating process on steam

[limpid walrus]

Erm, anyone know how to deal with this?

[median moon]

Why did my game downlpad 5gb then start downloading 14.8gb right after?

[eternal bone]

"Set all dodge count reset timers to 0.85s for all weapons and classes. (down from 1.0s on many, but not all, weapons)"

I was really hoping the melee changes would be more than just this

[hard hollow]

At end of prologue it will start pouring into your inventory it seems.

[magic mirage]

Fuck yea free shit!

I’ve already been playing for a week

But free shit!

[shrewd ember]

Does anyone play this through geforce now?

[magic mirage]

Idk what that is

[barren pier]

I was playing pre-order beta on GFN, everything was stable
RN it's under maintenance in GFN

[unreal aurora]

Where is beta helm?

I didn't get it 😠

[rich nova]

either with the shop guy or in your inventory already

[shrewd ember]

Yeah was hoping someone would say I just had to reinstall or something haha. I played the beta too and it worked surprisingly well though

[tribal wagon]

You played the pre order beta?

[unreal aurora]

Ye

Aint in my inventory

[tribal wagon]

Submit a ticket to the team if you still didn't get it

[unreal aurora]

Where do I go for that

[mortal wasp]

Fatshark forums

[tribal wagon]

I'm still updating the game rn so I can't confirm whether I got them myself or not lol

[tribal wagon]

https://support.fatshark.se/hc/en-us

[grave briar]

Can someone explain how to swap weapon camos? I know i've received a bunch but I can't find them in inventory from twitch drops and preorder

[delicate sinew]

at least u didnt get a 30g patch

that wont finish

[prisma jackal]

crafting still not fully opened?

[grave briar]

nope, they said slow-roll through December

[prisma jackal]

aww was looking forward to the full crafting option

[grave briar]

gives us some time to collect weapons with the perks we want and more materials

[honest crater]

where do i submit a ticket for my twitch skins

[delicate sinew]

so do i just wait for steam to take its time at 99% installing or what

restarting seems to do nothing

[fair elbow]

So can somebody tell my why every launch the game changes my config file that is made so i can play game on 60fps

every time launcher starts it resets the settings

[young rampart]

What did u change? I want to be able to hit 60 fps as well please

[fair elbow]

I had potato config

from guide on steam

and now it doesnt work at all

[past shale]

how do i use weapon cosmetics?

[fair elbow]

game resets config file every launch and makes it unplayable for me

[warm token]

hey, how do i equip the backpack i got? and the charms?

[tired crown]

Open your inventory, select the weapon, press C, and check the top left corner. Both skins and charms are there.@warm token

[hollow slate]

Think its worthwhile to throw more spacebucks into this eviscerator?

[tired crown]

I love that blessing. Don't see why not! Great stats, too.

[verbal wyvern]

sadge moment, cant get it

[past shale]

ohhhh thank you, but imperial edition doesnt add eviscerator skin?

[hollow slate]

Im hoping to get savage sweep with 175% cleave for 2s on multiple melee hit

[tired crown]

Can't help you there, I didn't get the imperial edition.

[shrewd ember]

I wonder if the update issue is why GFN hasn't made it available yet

[hollow slate]

Better off boosting a high gearscore white or green

[tired crown]

You'd have a brutal horde killing machine.

[honest crater]

where are the twitch drops?

[verbal wyvern]

true

[burnt pendant]

Gents, how is the launch going?

[verbal wyvern]

Anyone know if they mentioned about the crafting stuff, still coming soon

[warm token]

what about the backpack we received?

[rigid wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-sad-shiba-crying-doge-gif-3556286

[rigid jackal]

doesn't look like new weapons are in, anyone seen anything?

[honest crater]

i got the imperial edition stuff but im missing the twitch skins

[tired crown]

Going swell, long queues but they move quickly.

[fair elbow]

nope and no crafting

[rigid jackal]

Crafting makes sense because they said theyd be rolling it out december, but some weapons like ogryn power maul were literally shown in trailers

[cobalt tartan]

It's baaack!
Also, man seeing multiple penances roll in after they got changed is great.

[tired crown]

That dopamine hit, am I right?

[quick veldt]

Supposed 70+ weapons.

Probably going to be slowly rolled out as well.

[atomic frost]

how do I disable the ogryn voice filter

[burnt pendant]

Well, Only starting download now. Which penances changed?

I see they also added questionably priced cosmetics. Well, I can at least ignore them.

[fair gust]

quastion can u upgreade legendary items / yellow items?

[serene latch]

the only difference between closed beta and "final/released game"?

[barren pier]

I think they changed cliffhanger penance, at least that's what people have said
From 20 to 7

[bleak maple]

how do i disable the cracked screen animation?

[burnt pendant]

Ahh, that sounds more doable. I might just attempt it. It's the last one I'm missing for a psyker helmet.

[burnt pendant]

I wouldn't know. Probably? I'll never interact with that, though. Tencent can go stick it.

[copper yarrow]

failed to join error code 4001

[quasi rampart]

dafuq they did to health and toughness

[crimson stag]

Anyone seeing this all of a sudden?

Was in game and fine for the past hour

[copper yarrow]

yea same

first launch now since beta

[crimson stag]

went to change char to check shop rotation and now cnat get back in lol

[copper yarrow]

ok im in

i just kept trying it worked

[open cargo]

Can't remember earning this. Anyone knows why and where this comes from?

[crimson stag]

im guessing beta participation

[copper yarrow]

beta players i believe

[open cargo]

Ah, cool

[crimson stag]

I also dont remember earning this one though

And i cant find it linked to any penance

I wish they would tell you how certain cosmetics were acquired on mouseover

[distant schooner]

How do i get more than 6/7 on mind over matter penance?

[warm token]

anyone figure out how to equip the bag yet?

[hidden zenith]

What is the Hab Dreyko mission?

[cobalt tartan]

Accessories slot in your cosmetics

[unreal aurora]

I found my beta helmet

[hidden zenith]

Accessories

[warm token]

its empty :(

do ogryns not get it?

[crimson stag]

oh nothing for ogryn

[grave briar]

humans only

[warm token]

oh

fair enough

[hidden zenith]

HAB DREYKO

What is it?

[warm token]

at least i got my 100 bull rush enemy penance done

[grave briar]

Sorry big man

[crimson stag]

ogryn have a power pack accessory that i saw in some pre release material at some point

[cunning rivet]

feeling like the performance is way worse idk what to do anymore lmao ]

[grave briar]

my settings got reset from beta to final release, check them

[crimson stag]

Huh still no end-game stat board huh

Weak

[hidden zenith]

What is Hab Dreyko?

[crimson stag]

an investigation map

[cunning rivet]

yeah mine too i fixed them but it doesnt seem to be doing the job

[grave briar]

yeah, but we got a much better stat card on items

[spring needle]

Hey, any tips on improving performance?
Mine really seems to have gone down after launch :(
even after setting everything to low :(

[hidden zenith]

Any investigation map?

[placid hornet]

Eh. Is it me or game runs like a shit again? Ikr the launch reset settings, made them the same as during the beta, and it's crap.

[crimson stag]

Its the only map in the game currently classed with the investigation mission type

[shrewd python]

Is it only me experiencing worsening of performance?

[hidden zenith]

Ah okay

[wooden cosmos]

Hey I was just wondering, did any of the classes get new weapons or items=