gameplay-help

[burnt sierra]

quick question, what is the highest power weapon anyone has seen so far?

[ionic mauve]

might not be the right Channel, but is there a way to fix this yet?

[quaint crypt]

I'm more wondering what the consensus of vet is, as the class seems more well rounded as opposed to Psyker and Zealot which have issues.

[shell cedar]

Power sword's charge ability needs to be nerfed. Period.

[quaint crypt]

the bolter/powersword combo are strong but dont seem to be overstepping any bounds like a lot of claims make it out to be

[delicate ingot]

Ogryn plus 3 vets = deathball

[shell cedar]

Perhaps a 0.5 second longer charge on power sword should be an ok nerf imo

[rapid ermine]

O squad > anything else

[rigid kettle]

Longer charge time for certain. Cleaving through everything is what the powersword does in lore.

[shell cedar]

By lore. Power swords are supposed to cut thru armor like butter. Hench the infinite cleave

[quaint crypt]

main issues i see are Zealot not being able to regen health to warrant the melee playstyle and psyker's resource management/brainburst dmg scaling on higher difficulties

[verbal wyvern]

ty

[rigid kettle]

Molecules actually. Quite litterally atom by atom

[shell cedar]

So imo, they should maintain power swords infinite cleave. But make the charging special 0.5 or even 1 sec longer

[tiny granite]

why sometime my thunder hammer charge keep disappearing? does getting hit remove the buff or something

[shell cedar]

Yea....the charge is gone after single use or after short time

[high cairn]

Nah melee itself is fine but some aspects of their feats like gaining damage when your hp is lower doesn’t really feel rewarding to play with due to the danger of bleed through.

[tiny granite]

I mean I attack as soon as I buff it mid horde and it doesn't goes off

[tulip star]

This look anywhere close to worthwhile?

[rapid ermine]

Is the bleed thru actually that bad for zealots at higher difficulties?

[shell cedar]

Probably didn't give enough time to charge the hammer or u get interrupted by melee hits

[high cairn]

Absolutely not

[shell cedar]

I hate force swords on psykers

I think they are useless....lol

[quaint crypt]

Dunno fully, i dont use the powersword i personally play a sniper/support dps role, as again due to limited CC on vet i dont prefer to rely on melee as like u said vet has no tools that effect bleedthrough on the class* and see it as a pitfall for lower difficulties. My melee weps are more DPS oriented or for survivability.

[high cairn]

Huh? I was talking about Zealot

[jagged vigil]

what about force sword with deflector?

[quaint crypt]

ye i was agreeing w u

was adding to it, on how i view it from vets perspective

[dreamy crest]

Curious if this is worth keeping on? It has procced once in 50ish missions and given me a master crafted curio, but I'm assuming it can give lower tier ones as well
I do have curios with better stats to swap it out for.

[noble mountain]

Any Psykers want to go for Cliffhanger together?

[outer bloom]

you can eventually pull traits out of stuff by decrafting so keep everything

blue and up at least

[high cairn]

Ye but you’re saying I said something about how vets don’t have some tool to deal with bleed through. Literally I never mentioned Vet tho

[dreamy crest]

Will do

[shell cedar]

On 4...I have tried low hp zealot...seems doable and quite the dopamine rush....constantly having to time the 90 second death door and gain a bit of health during that 5 seconds

[tiny temple]

would run all curios with +curio chance or none at all

[outer bloom]

you can upgrade but dont discard it

[dreamy crest]

Makes sense

[quaint crypt]

ah my b, i'm blending 2 convos together.

[outer bloom]

just because there is going to be that disassembling for traits thing later

[shell cedar]

Tl Dr, vet does everything better than everyone. Lol

[high cairn]

Yeah but how much does that really reward besides playing normally on a Zealot. You get what like 15 damage, maybe 30 if you take the Martyrdom perk that increases stacks. Not worth imo

[quaint crypt]

either way i agree Zealot needs tools for bleedthrough for melee

[shell cedar]

I do feel weaker when I get jabbed by the medicae servitor tho...

[quaint crypt]

just like how vet seems to be favored for toughness against ranged enemies. Maybe zealot will get either a specific feat or more hp for melee

[high cairn]

I still maintain my idea of stopping bleedthrough at wound thresholds so it gives Wounds another use

[minor oxide]

Is there a difference between "+#% replenish toughness on ..." and "+#% Toughness on ..."?

[high cairn]

No

[shell cedar]

Yup. Activate skill. Stand in the open . Lol headshots on all scab shooters.

[strange jolt]

God rolls?

[rigid kettle]

Pretty fuckin good

[quaint crypt]

eh.. not really if you're using camo hunter expert* getting shot still makes you "move" i think

which is ill advised on higher difficulties

[robust pebble]

Some of the most enjoyable missions I've run have had four veterans all of whom were using a different ranged weapon. One bolter, two lasguns and one plasma gun was just top quality Guard gameplay.

[shell cedar]

Who the f uses the camo feat. It's the 75 percent toughness feat....tanking thru all the shots

[quaint crypt]

it's very strong

you can sit in a horde and not be touched

very solid feat

[high cairn]

Lmao

It’s the camo meme

[quaint crypt]

but you literally cant move a nanometer or you die instantly in the situations you'll find yourself in

[shell cedar]

Standing still is a newbie thing to do in darktide .lol u should always be strafing and dodging left and right

[robust pebble]

Camo is inferior to the one that confers 20% stamina on sprinting, sliding or dodging ranged fire that synergises perfectly with the one that gives you 25% crit chance and -60% sway at the cost of consuming stamina.

[shell cedar]

This

[rigid wasp]

Anyone got 3 people to party up and do the psykinetic penance for dropping 20 trash of a ledge or have some tips for how I can solo it?

[quaint crypt]

it absolutely shouldn't be disregarded

especially when using slow rpm weps, or wanting to position yourself against* bosses

[high cairn]

Go #lfg

[tough cove]

Ask ogryn in team to setup in middle of bridge and sit with shield, you push them off, win

[sharp apex]

True mark of quality for a Beta release? Resetting an old account to post a bug.

[tough cove]

Random guy asked yesterday on logistratum bridge, I said yes, just ask 😛

[rigid wasp]

oh thanks, didnt realise those were there

[quaint crypt]

only gripe w the ability is the lack of indication it is active, but you'll know it's working when enemies come and smell you and walk away lol

[rigid wasp]

I spent multiple hours trying to get it yesterday. just asking resulted in people just running away

[quaint crypt]

while you're pelting them w bullets/grenades or lasers

[tough cove]

Unlucky with folks I guess

[sharp apex]

even without a shield unlocked i still end up on that bridge behind those two boxes and shove once hordes pile up

[rigid wasp]

and then even if I stay behind, they get all the enemies

[shell cedar]

Or u can just get better by dodging and moving and shooting...lol. that feat is a trap. Rewards bad behavior for damnation and heresy lvl

[mild lagoon]

is espionage in the rotation? im 6/7 for every mission on heresy and im p sure thats the only one left

[hasty spade]

or all 4 running recon lasguns

[tough cove]

And then everyone is out of ammo after 1 boss

90% of the veterans with recons don't know how to use it

[quaint crypt]

except i'm able to cover my teammates in risky but advantagous positions on heresey+, only thing you need to be mindful of is not being in a unreachable ledge.

[shell cedar]

This

[shell cedar]

Or u can help tank shots for ur teammates because vets have 200 base toughness

[quaint crypt]

why would i need to tank shots when i've killed the entire room full of gunners

[shell cedar]

Think of the poor ogryn man....come on

[high cairn]

Y’all have two different play styles. Just leave it at that. This isn’t Vermintide.

[cold tiger]

No patch yet

[shell cedar]

U can tank and kill them all...lol....no need to hide in a corner.

[quaint crypt]

when no gunner is aggroed on me, it's a point and click adventure where i click on every orange enemy in the room and no one needs to tank anything

[stiff oxide]

Quick question: What is "Impact" exactly?

Is that just like... Stagger?

[shell cedar]

It's a value that when overcome a certain value, will stagger or knock stuff off their feet

[stiff oxide]

Mkay, thank you

[proper coral]

Its good for maulers or if you are lucky it'll knock bursters back.

[quaint crypt]

i dont think the toughness feat is bad either, but it's more for a run and gun setup, the utility you can provide by being able to not worry about a horde is immense you are a gunner/special/elite hunter the whole match

[stiff oxide]

I'm playing Psyker so meh, prob not important for me

[quaint crypt]

it's really good

[minor oxide]

Ogryns have 100 toughness. Life is hard. D:

[high cairn]

So does Zealot lol

[cerulean crown]

What does "Power" as a stat do? Is that just raw damage?

[rare grove]

Anyone have tips for the vet malice challenge

[shell cedar]

Nobody ever consider that with +toughness curio, vet can tank so much shots even on damnation. (Damnation shreds everyone else)

[high cairn]

Tbh I can see your style of play working with a crit Zealot cause they can pretty much ignore ranged attacks in terms of damage while their buffs are up

[shell cedar]

I had like 300+ toughness able to peel alot of shooters for the ogryn and zealot to bring them to melee

[tight shale]

Imo really only applies on first two difficulties, and 50:50 on Malice. Vet only does DPS and that can carry you through Malice, but falls off hard after that. But since most of the playerbase hasn't done much Malice let along Heresy yet...

[high cairn]

Funny enough, an explosive barrel went off and I took 0 of it cause of the toughness damage reduction

[quaint crypt]

it wouldn't work on zealot since the whole crux of the playstyle is standing still

in vantage points

[high cairn]

I meant in conjunction. Zealot tanks, your sharpshooter pops heads

[silver ridge]

I was running 280 toughness and using the regenerating toughness 30 talent and just running at things on heresy lol

[quaint crypt]

oh 100% it's a support role

[shell cedar]

Zealot melts under range fire. The issue is for them is trying to charge the shooters

[whole nebula]

this gonna be absolutely delicious

[quaint crypt]

like i said it's a non stop point and click adventure of uninteruppted gunner/special/elite killings

[wispy fractal]

Jesus, I didn't realize the toughness difference between classes was THAT extreme

[high cairn]

If your team isn’t foolish and let’s the zealot/Ogryn get in close before shooting then it’s not a problem

[shell cedar]

I build my zealot with 335 hp...lol.....

[wispy fractal]

Getting focus fired as ogryn at all is such pain

[warped osprey]

So are all Heresey missions still Endless Horde?

[shell cedar]

They can't approach if the vet don't tank range for them to charge. Damnation shooters really hurts bad

[tight shale]

It fits. Vet needs to be able to exchange shots with ranged mobs, so needs higher toughness. But has lower HP to compensate.

[tired crown]

Unless they have a different modifier. Yes

[hoary drum]

is anyone playing on the windows store? having a hard time finding groups. just using that so I can carry over to game pass lol

[snow folio]

Do i need to complete weekly contaxts wityh that specfic character?

[robust pebble]

Not even kidding, it was exactly like this. We advanced slowly and hosed anything that moved with concentrated fire

[quaint crypt]

but i've run the setups in *pubs and w premades on heresy consistently and have been dabbling w damnation and it's working solid. Camo expert is really a valid feat.

[high cairn]

The shooters don’t shoot til their aggroed. IE, let the Zealots get close and charge in.

[weary sapphire]

Does anyone here run deadshot on veteran? The stamina drain just seems too massive to make it worth it to me

[wispy fractal]

I mean yeah I I get it with regards to roles but I would not have expected literally double.

[quaint crypt]

i dont bother w it

[tired crown]

Getting curios that increase stamina helps a ton

[silver ridge]

If you run the stamina perk before it, you’re basically at 100% stamina

[high cairn]

If you start shooting the moment you see the enemy, your melees get fucked cause then they can’t approach. Let them approach first

[shell cedar]

It's a good talent for burn build with recon las gun. Just have to manage having zero stam and getting hit in melee

[quaint crypt]

I run "one after another" @weary sapphire

[void plaza]

Anyone know what the highest power grey tier gun can be in the shop?

[robust pebble]

I run veteran with it and you need at least one + stamina curio and to learn when to sprint and when to dodge effectively in a tight situation.

[quaint crypt]

keeps the ult time up

[silver ridge]

You just spam dodge while ADSing and shred all the ranged enemies

[tight shale]

Having 0 stam to burn when we're constantly getting jumped by trash spawning behind us feels like a less-than-great idea

[silver ridge]

I’ve run that talent since I unlocked that talent level and never had problems

[robust pebble]

Also don't hold ADS. Snapshots make your stamina last forever.

[quaint crypt]

it's probably good if you run the stam perk on dodge but you're giving up 2 solid defense/survivability utility perks

but depends on the setup

on a burn recon build i can see it

[shell cedar]

I ran a +hp zealot playing in heresy....doesn't work at damnation tho...lol

[silver ridge]

I basically wouldn’t run it without the stamina regen perk

[light flume]

Yes, each character has their own contracts to complete each week.

[shell cedar]

Zero stam isn't that bad. Just....can't shove. U can still block but u get stunlocked for half a sec

It's a down sight for a huge dps boost

[robust pebble]

You can't dodge, you can't shove and if you get hit by anything while blocking you're staggered and will eat more hits. On Heresy+ this can mean losing a whole lot of HP with the chip-through damage.

[shell cedar]

U can dodge with zero stam

[robust pebble]

Not very well

[noble mountain]

Anyone want to group for Psyker Cliffhanger penance?

[shell cedar]

Chip damage will always be a problem... But the other 2 talent in that tree ....is a bit meh

Unless u run grenade build on vet

Then sure ....that bleed perk is alright

[tight shale]

Reload speed is decent

Not like you aren't headhunting on elites

[shell cedar]

Lol. Sure maybe if u play the bolters

[quaint crypt]

which reload speed one?

[stuck fulcrum]

it seems the game wants me to try an axe for once

[quaint crypt]

i think tactical reload is kinda meh

depending on the wep

[shell cedar]

30 percent reload sped after elite kill

[tight shale]

It's def meh.

[silver ridge]

I didn’t find camo or the 75% toughness damage reduction during volley that important. Been running the stamina regen + crit stamina drain + refresh toughness and reload on volley fire talents. Easy heresy runs

[quaint crypt]

ye that one is solid

[tight shale]

Problem is you can't really make the stam for crit perk work without the prior stam perk, and the camo perk is the absolute tits

[shell cedar]

No..it's meh compared to the other 2

[silver ridge]

Eh, I didn’t find camo that useful for me but that’s because I don’t like just standing still

Different play styles for people

[quaint crypt]

eh, the crit is nice but the lack of stam isn't unless you heavily invest in it.

[shell cedar]

Standing still is a bad habit in a tide game

[silver ridge]

I’ve never had stamina problems with it

[quaint crypt]

bleed on the nades also is meh

[tight shale]

That's probably exactly why that camo perk exists, lol. It's silly enough that it's probably going to get nerfed

[lime imp]

+75% toughness dmg reduc on ult is very good for 4/5 tier

[quaint crypt]

the 30% speed reload is saved after any kill, keeps your dps uptime high. Especially usefull when you wanna keep the ult going

[shell cedar]

I've already iterated that vet have 200 base toughness to be able to trade against shooter. U hiding makes that obsolete

[robust pebble]

While it's subjective and highly dependent on your weapon composition and what difficulty you're playing on, I've found these perks to be the 'best' on Veteran. I've run at least twenty or so successful Heresy missions with only a handful of failures just down to pure bad luck.

[tight shale]

Takes a few seconds for the camo to proc, but once it does the level to which enemies ignore you is absurd

[robust pebble]

With the tier 2 feat being interchangeable with the one I've got highlighted

[silver ridge]

It’s decent, I just prefer not to get shot and refresh my toughness with ulti if I need to lol

[quaint crypt]

it's great

i think for sure it's dependent on playstyle/wep choice tho

no point running camo w a recon

[shell cedar]

That camo perk is a trap. It's just a talent to make things already easy easier. Doesn't help in a pinch

[tight shale]

Bruh. Even that 200 toughness vanishes fast on Heresy, let alone Damnation. It's nowhere near enough to actually clear out the 20+ ranged mobs that are hosing your team. Especially not while FS is giving them perfect accuracy plus the ability to snipe your head while crouching behind a barrier

[quaint crypt]

it literally does

[shell cedar]

Say that with 300+ toughness and that 75% reducing when volley fire with refreshing volley fire and headshot on toughness

[silver ridge]

I run 2 1 1 2 2 1 for vet using power sword bolter or kantrael mxiii

[robust pebble]

Don't forget that chip-damage increases on difficulty level as well, so having extra toughness is really only mitigating about 50% of the damage coming in on Heresy+

[quaint crypt]

it offers great utility, and survivability but again depending on the wep/playstyle the toughness feat is solid

[whole cradle]

So I just got a knife with flesh tearer but it's desc is just some code about bleed and crit. Anyone know what it does?

[robust pebble]

A bot takes your place and they're worse than braindead so the mission is guaranteed to fail.

[shell cedar]

Range trading doesn't break hp if u have toughness.

[tight shale]

Plus the camo perk 100% works against random melee mobs spawning in behind you.

[robust pebble]

This is true, but the ranged enemies spawn in huge packs on Heresy, so ...again, if you're getting lit up your toughness ain't gonna last very long.

[raw plover]

hey guys, anyone has a video or something that lets you complete the bull rush penance with ogryn?

[robust pebble]

Oh sorry, I misread. I don't know if the mission just insta-fails in that case.

[shell cedar]

Well....nobody is telling u to "standstill" and get shot.lol

[tight shale]

If spawn mechanics were less bullshit, I'd lean less on the camo perk. But atm, I feel like I can't do my job due to some random poxwalker or melee scab spawning in behind me and hitting me out of ADS

[robust pebble]

You can't dodge every shot coming your way if there's 20+ shooters all aiming at you. And you can't return fire effectively either because of the suppression mechanic.

[quaint crypt]

it depends, if you're upclose to the action there's no need for the camo perk especially if you're running a wep/playstyle that's very mobile oriented

[tight shale]

Ah yeah, that's the other thing. Supression is a PitA, and camo == no supression.

[quaint crypt]

if you have a wep/build that's more longer range oriented and less mobile camo perk is better

[minor oxide]

I saw a cheesy way of completing it on Reddit, but once you're 30 you can get the middle talent which lets you pass through Ogryns and then it'll happen naturally, since getting 4+ Ogyrns in Heresy+ is pretty common.

[outer bloom]

did they patch the flamer bug with preacher and the up close and personal penance?

[shell cedar]

Hmmm....I don't find suppression that bad even when shot at. Volumes of fire do the trick. That's why I don't like bolters. 15 we'll aim shots are hard when getting shot at.

[raw plover]

sorry, meant to say the dont stop me now where you have to charge for 75 metres

[jagged vigil]

does it really matter? one of the easiest penances out there

[shell cedar]

U need a group for this. Ur fellows need to be killing a bunch for ur charge to refresh to get that 75 ft. Charge 3 times I think

[outer bloom]

just curious because i would pref to not hamper my team

[whole cradle]

So I just got a knife with flesh tearer but it's desc is just some code about bleed and crit. Anyone know what it does?

[outer bloom]

if I can just equip a flamer and get it then I will

[tight shale]

It depends. Most of the time it isn't too bad. Only a gunner or two on you, and that stops once you pop them with even a single shot

But the few times you run into multiple Reapers and gunners absolutely hosing chokes makes me hate suppression and absurdly thankful that I can abuse camo to clear them.

[shell cedar]

If I see anyone hiding in a corner from now on. I'll ask if that vet is snow or quibitcook from reddit....lol

[granite rose]

anyone clear on what Finesse does on a melle weapon ?

[tight shale]

Just different playstyles, dude. If I had a torrent las with infernus, I'd probably use your playstyle a lot more. Since I don't, kantrael XII has been the most effective.

[quaint crypt]

lmao you cant wrap your little walnut around the idea that there are multiple ways to skin a cat.

[shell cedar]

Nope. I use XII. It's not a stand and shoot. Maybe on the hellbores

Even on hellbores, u can still dodge and weave out

[tight shale]

Eh. Takes a lot of time that I would rather be using to click heads.

[late elm]

could i get anyone to help me do pick n' mix on heresy? just need 5 weak elites/specials in 10 seconds with bb

[shell cedar]

It's more of setting up a good team on damnation...perhaps when ppl play on damnation more, the meta will be better developed

Many ways to skin a cat, there is a "best" way to skin a cat

[tight shale]

there is a "best" way to skin a cat
That's pretty subjective, my guy.

[wispy fractal]

If it's the same as vermintide finesse is the modifier to both crit damage bonus and headshot damage bonus.

[shell cedar]

If u plan to use play heresy and below, then do whatever u want... Hell, maybe even on damnation when the game fully release

[minor oxide]

If I have 50% damage resistance, does that mean I take half damage?

[quaint crypt]

gonna be real w u chief, 90-95% of the community doesn't care about the most efficient speed run method as long as what they do is viable in a pve non competitive game.

if that's the mentality ya got

[jagged vigil]

Poor melee class Zealot hampering team by not using ranged weapon while penance seeking Psykers only spam BB ignoring the team, charge into crowd of specials to suicide bomb, yell at team to hold the bridge and playing spartan kick or blocking bullets with their bodies to protect their new waifu monstrosity while trying to mind control it into sex slavery.
Sorry 😄

[limpid ice]

i gues so

[shell cedar]

But why deprive the remaining 5 10 percent for perfect strategy? Even blackjack have the prefect strategy play. And ppl make a living out of it

[remote badger]

Every time I try to play the pre lease beta it crashes with a message saying something about shade builder cache in progress could not be completed with the exit code =1

What doe this mean

[quaint crypt]

because blackjack is a compeititive player v player game. And this game by design is meant to be beaten by a minimal threshold. Once you're past that threshold it really doesn't matter.

[hasty spade]

no-one is going to be esportin' a 'tide game

[mystic wyvern]

pain

[shell cedar]

U have no idea what blackjack is....it's player against house. Not player vs player lol

[jolly zinc]

Any know a way to get the Penance of "Over Watch" done I need so much help doing it

[desert gazelle]

Does anyone know the difference between the Mk II and the Mk V ripper guns? They're both full auto with burst hip fire.

[rigid wasp]

Zealots played well feel practically immortal in melee. Little use for a gun unless the situation begs it.

[quaint crypt]

still player v player, genius... the house in your mindset is still a variable that's against you that is "in the game" so to speak. so a player.

[unborn jasper]

is it possible to roll for other percs on weapons yet?

[proven escarp]

How does someone report? Someone was spewing racial slurs etc in voice

[unborn jasper]

i finally got a knife in shop but the perc is ass

[shell cedar]

Lol by ur logic, it's player vs player in darktide then. Us vs the developers that made the game

[desert gazelle]

There is none.

[cerulean pelican]

Is every level 4 difficulty endless horde, or is it just a visual glitch?

[shell cedar]

Everything under the sun, will get speed run done

[hasty spade]

sure, but you don't change your game to cater to it. You alienate the rest of the playerbase that DON'T want to be adderall-infused sweatlords in order to play the game proper

[proven escarp]

Oh thats neat

[shell cedar]

Did u even know' there a dude that Speedrun a Castlevania game blind folded and raise so much money for charity..lol

[quaint crypt]

technically yes? That's how meta's are made. But my point is that once you've crossed the designed bar of difficulty "whooptiedoo" if 1 setup shaves off 5 minutes of time?

[desert gazelle]

Does anyone know the difference between the Mk II and the Mk V ripper guns? They're both full auto with burst hip fire.

[quaint crypt]

in a game where the shared goal is to complete the game.

[uncut verge]

The stat ranges mostly, which we will finally be able to see when they release the update with improved UI

[sleek ice]

I think one had a tighter spread to keep damage over range but MUCH higher recoil to compensate

[cerulean crown]

Uh, anyone have an issue where they just aren't getting task progress at all? I'm pretty sure I've been killin' dudes in melee and yet

[desert gazelle]

Those are dregs, the ranged dudes

in rags

[patent sapphire]

progression this week seems bugged, randomly not giving progress, i had it for the 0 death contract

[reef grove]

can confirm

[cerulean crown]

Okay, that's what I was afraid of, thanks

[hasty spade]

right, because the game is 100% consistent and predictable. The novelty of blindfolding is because you've distilled down the gameplay to a sequence of timed button presses.

[shell cedar]

If u manage to shave off 5 minutes....doesn't that mean that team build be "better"

[cerulean crown]

I was pretty sure there was 0 chance I hadn't killed any dregs in melee considering I just did a mission with melee only for the fun of it

[uncut verge]

those kills are shared anyhow

[shell cedar]

In any case whichever laurel u rest on. Hiding in a corner waste vet's base toughness of 200 that nobody else gets

[quaint crypt]

depends, could be better rng from the game director. Could be better team coordination. You're not seeing that it's very irrelevant.

[patent sapphire]

depends on how risky the strat is

[quaint crypt]

when the bar to cross is: (no deaths, and generally smooth run) lol

[shell cedar]

If there's curio for upping dps...sure maybe hiding in a corner works.

[patent sapphire]

there are plenty of speed run techs that are too risky to do when farming or consistent clearing is important

[hasty spade]

I'll stop standing in a corner when the director stops plonking down a single poxwalker behind me in the 1cm gap I left out behind me.

[shell cedar]

I play too much D3 chasing after the top leader board every time the season resets. So I know how rng plays a huge role. But builds do matter eventually. If I'm lucky, I get a dungeon with easy spawns to get better cleara

[hasty spade]

I'm tryin to ice specialists for my team dammit

[quaint crypt]

the fact you keep saying it's in a corner implies you dont know how the feat works, you can stand literally anywhere and be avoided by enemies while being able to target enemies for free as long as it's up

only thing you need to contend with are occasional stragglers who have the potential to ruin your "camo" so to speak

[hasty spade]

oh is this about camo? Yeah camo is helpful

[tight shale]

Anyone else getting absolutely spammed with error 2007 today?

[uncut verge]

Speed running here is generally for fast clears for progression/farming.

If you're wiping then it's not efficient.

"Risky speedrun" techniques are typically used when every second of a run matters for a leaderboard of speed running, which only works when the game in question is consistent from one match to the next

[hasty spade]

I have had hordes literally run past me to get to my zealot and ogryn buddy

[void plaza]

what endgame curios are the go to? upgrading a wound one? toughness? hp?

[shell cedar]

I don't think ppl will be playing damnation to farm stuff. It's not efficient

[uncut verge]

Damnation is for challenge

[barren stream]

Anyone has a clue if scab/dreg melee kills quest count for the entire team? I haven't killed any of them with melee, but still got 200 kills.

[shell cedar]

It's still not utilizing the vet's base toughness to trade well against range.

[uncut verge]

You can't trade with range for shit if you're being shot at and suffering constant suppression

[hasty spade]

its # killed in melee for the team, so you're zealot friend is doing gods work for you

[barren stream]

Ah great, thanks 🙂

[uncut verge]

If I'm not being targetted, I'll clear that ranged enemy 10x faster

[quaint crypt]

which can be used if it's needed, instead you dont need to trade, you're given kills for little if any investment outside of i guess as a reward for positioning and occasional situational awareness (to make sure camo isn't broken)

[shell cedar]

I don't think suppression is bad at all to be honest...that's why I don't like bolters and favor XII more. Missed shots are just part

[uncut verge]

I use the XII too, but if I can't hit their head because my cursor refuses to shoot straight then that's far less efficient

[patent sapphire]

when counter fire works i think it will be cool to take the 75% dr feat and use a lasgun with suppression immunity blessing and kill every shooter without having to deal with anything

[quaint crypt]

but again, simultaneously i acknowledge if you're playing upclose extra toughness is better,especially* if you're being highly mobile lol

[uncut verge]

This, if I get the suppression immunity blessing, then I can face tank the toughness damage.

As it stands, I can't hit a goddamn thing

If I'm not being shot I can kill ranged enemy very fast

When I'm being supressed I have to try and dodge to the side and drop the suppression so I can get 1-2 kills before being suppressed again

[shell cedar]

Drawing away fire will allow ur zealot or to a lesser extend ogryn to charge them without getting withered down... If not, they will just sit by a corner waiting for the vet to do their thinf

[quaint crypt]

or you can just kill the whole room of gunners

[shell cedar]

Plus they don't trade as well as the vet

[quaint crypt]

isn't the general consensus that zealot is in a bad spot?

if you're running a full optimal team you dont have a zealot?

[shell cedar]

Heck...I don't even try to aim for the head tbh. Rather centermass in the middle of the firefight

[uncut verge]

Zealot? Zealot is considered pretty strong I think

[uncut verge]

lol what

[shell cedar]

Maybe on the 1st volley, headshots are good to aim for

[uncut verge]

no wonder you don't care if you're suppressed

[green hound]

Has anyone tried melks random items yet? Curious as to some players luck if they can get purple/gold tier equipment.

[tight shale]

Bear in mind by shooting more, you also suppress them.

[shell cedar]

It's about utilizing the vet's innate base toughness of 200. It's wasted if not utilized

[uncut verge]

That doesn't really work with Lasguns

[quaint crypt]

it's just what i keep hearing/seeing (dont know myself as i dont play zealot)

[stone urchin]

where did you fall off?

[hollow slate]

I think this one is gonna be a beauty

[shell cedar]

Everything (range) suppress stuff. Even missing them with las gun would suppresse the ai.

[haughty umbra]

Best I've got was a green so far

[bitter spire]

Anyone know when espionage or investigation missions will be running ?

[tight shale]

It takes more shots to trigger, but it deffo works. Either they'll hide behind cover more or they'll retreat to other cover.

[quaint crypt]

waiting on that myself

[uncut verge]

I've tried spamming fire to counter suppress just so I can have some breathing room to shoot straight and they never seem impacted

[hollow slate]

Thoughts on this one?

[shell cedar]

They'll still shoot back albeit hide more or sometimes run away and out of cover

[uncut verge]

Not like Braced Autogun does (though you can't actually KILL ranged enemies pokling out of cover with braced for shit either so seems a tradeoff lol)

[shell cedar]

Ew....regular swords....

[sharp locust]

Demonhost still in the game?

[bleak maple]

6 matches and crashed 6 times , WOW

[twin sinew]

I know weeklies such as grims and scrips count even if you aren't the one picking it up, but are quests such as "Kill X enemies with melee/ranged" individual or do they tally up the group kills?

[uncut verge]

I got a heavy sword E Gift, tried it out and felt weak

[uncut verge]

Yes, they're all shared

[quaint crypt]

like a lot of others i recommend the mg 7 lasgun

[tight shale]

Yeah, stability seems garbo atm

[quaint crypt]

thing's solid on like every front

[formal yacht]

anyone know why I have a shatter impact saying 1 armour reduction on one of my bolters, and another one saying 3 reduction on another bolter?

[shell cedar]

Like a true lasgun that a regular guardsman have

[sharp apex]

it seems pretty widespread

[high cairn]

They can vary in tier

[tight shale]

Except still reroll the grim one. People catching on atm that picking up grims on anything above difficulty 2 is 100% not worth it.

[shell cedar]

Tickle them to death

[rigid wasp]

looks nice

[quaint crypt]

has good ammo economy, solid ass dmg, good sight picture (no poopoo ass iron sight).

[uncut verge]

I mean, 2.5 Uprising grim runs ain't that hard of a weekly

[quaint crypt]

ok rpm

[echo root]

Anyone know the max value of weapon rating (and curio too I guess) for each colour?

[uncut verge]

I've been liking the XII the most so far

[tight shale]

XII has the best breakpoints, and it's not close, lol

[uncut verge]

slower but hits harder, great ammo economy (as most Lasguns)

[quaint crypt]

mmhmm seems like the best "jack of all traits"

[high cairn]

It’s a running theme that the best jacks of all trades are the most popular

Hence Eviserator for Zealot

[quaint crypt]

very reliable, bolter is great for burst dps but has terrible sustain

and horrible ammo economy

i prefer reliability

[high cairn]

I only use the bolter to pop snipers and also for Holy Revenant

[sharp apex]

yea, having a ranged class with an unsustainable ranged weapon is kinda lame

[quaint crypt]

for zealot it's different, since your ranged wep isn't your main

[uncut verge]

Bolter is good if you're using your ranged slot as more of an "OH SHIT" slot and primarily using melee

[tight shale]

I've never really had ammo troubles with the bolter (I tend use ADS unless killing a Reaper or Rager in my face)

[quaint crypt]

at least i assume for zealot*

[uncut verge]

but only like 100 rounds

[high cairn]

Ye but my main point is, the Bolter’s splash damage allows you to heal to full hp with Holy Revenant if you dump it into a crowd

[quaint crypt]

ah ic

[high cairn]

The other thing I use bolter for is staggering Bulwarks in tight halls and etc.

[tight shale]

Yes...? Unless you're dumping rounds into hordes, that's plenty as long as you're still being consistent (but not greedy) with ammo pickups

[quaint crypt]

i def notice the huge different in ammo economy between bolter and MG7 Infantry Lasgun

[tight shale]

Or unless your aim is bad

[quaint crypt]

you dont have to snort the ammo pickups to still be alright in a run

it's great

[high cairn]

I’m saying now, you can clear 3s on Zealot with only melee

[uncut verge]

I mean, I'll mag dump into hordes cause the XII just has gobs of ammo, but I'm talking just shooting all the ranged and elites it wouldn't be enough

[high cairn]

4s, you gotta positon better, but still doable

[tight shale]

With the XII, yeah. I occasionally just straight up forget to grab ammo for that sometimes.

[quaint crypt]

hence why i prefer over bolter, very reliable in terms of ammo and the damage sacrifice is minimal(ish)

[sharp apex]

well, minimal for our level/dif

[quaint crypt]

i've run it on reliably heresey and am again testing on damnation it's solid

[rigid wasp]

I love the autogun for zealot.

[tight shale]

Def depends on diff. I like the bolter just fine for Malice and non-Endless Heresy, since it's not nearly as punishing for getting closer (cause iron sights are ass). On Endless Heresy or higher? 100% the XII

[shell cedar]

Well I'm going back to work. It has been a great punch out in the ring. Respect much. Peace @quaint crypt @tight shale

[civic kindle]

so... does bashing enemy in the face with a rumbler or grenadier gauntlet count as "ranged kills" for the purpose of weeklies? Hard to tell since your teammates' kills count

[tight shale]

Lol, same. Lunch break got extended as is. Laters.

[rustic arrow]

i've been a bit terrified to do too much. I did 2 random curios and they were both blues. A friend did two and got two whites so your mileage may vary.

[tough prism]

are the new missions out yet?

[unborn jasper]

which

[civic kindle]

I mean, you're technically using a ranged weapon to kill them...

[rigid wasp]

this is a very poor roll right?

[high cairn]

Tbh if you could get a run n gun perk on a gun with a high firerate for zealot, could be useful to suppress while you run up on ranged enemies

[high cairn]

Very

[rustic arrow]

Oof, yes

[quaint crypt]

which lasgun? Infantry MG7

make sure it has decent stats of course

[unborn jasper]

which weapon you used, the mg7?

[quaint crypt]

ye

[green hound]

yeah, I was worried about this. Seems very pointless to do when you can buy those items for cheaper right out the store. And you know what your getting..

[unborn jasper]

okay which percs are nice atm

[slate axle]

Don't stop me now is possible!

Took 2 psykers and a vanguard

[tulip star]

So today I learned the Equinox mk IV Voistrike staff shoots a really big projectile

[slate axle]

3 curios with 5% regen

Have to kill 8 elites in 20 seconds

[rustic arrow]

yeah I'm not worrying about it too much right now. Mostly just hoarding everything until launch to see what all comes from it.

[dense sable]

Are Stamina Curios the better curios to have a hold of?

[sharp root]

anyone elses Scriptures Weekly not tracking? I rerolled into it, have done 2 missions with 3 ea, and contract says I've done none. I've also held 1 at mission complete.

[high cairn]

They’re not bad, but for a gold, you can have a variety of good stats on it

[turbid valve]

is this worth upgrading or save mats?

[dense sable]

Thats fair. Im justl evel 26 and attempting to get to level 30 before I start really searching for perfect golds. Will +2's do for now until i get there?

[crisp granite]

Did crafting mats reset? my stuff disappeared 😦

[onyx ore]

Might be worth upgrading, Although I would keep hold till after release.

[quaint crypt]

my current setup is:

ex takedown
demo stockpile(for a bit of cc), if you're confident in your team run sniper
demolition team (flex spot, none of these are super outstanding imo)
camo expert
one after another
counterfire

play in the backline, move to a vantage point and kill any gunner/elite/special you see excluding crushers only move only if you have to to make maximum use out of camo expert

if there are no specials/elites or anything priority to kill, dump ammo into trash where your team needs it otherwise, you kill anything that can hurt the team badly from afar

[uncut verge]

It’s good and it has a great blessing to strip if you stop using it

[compact summit]

Id just hold on until we have full crafting

[quaint crypt]

important thing to note about camo expert if you get shot, or smacked slightly i'm almost positive that counts as you getting moved slightly which means it's time to run away reposition lol

[tulip star]

Nice! Was that a drop?

[dense sable]

Is there anyway to fix the floaitng cursor on screen?

[turbid valve]

shop

[wispy fractal]

Man, what I wouldn't give to have vets playing like that in my runs.

[rigid wasp]

Has anyone completed the Ogryn penance "Don't Stop Me Now!" which requires you to move 70 metres with Bull Rush? If so, how did you do it?

[tulip star]

Lucky. I haven't seen anything NEARLY that good

[silk glen]

not certain if this is a bug or if it is working as intended but the power hammer ability does not stack with the fanatic ability

[bold bronze]

Technically, the "baseline" stats of the weapon are only 358-313....so it kinda depends on if you are okay with not keeping it permanently.

[tulip star]

Did they say they were going to do away with the bar stats in favor of numbers?

[coarse dune]

Nice! I thought it's totally impossible until launch day.

[coarse dune]

That guy already did. 😄 #gameplay-help message

[rigid wasp]

That is such a ridiculous penance 🥲

[bold bronze]

How do you extend the bull rush?

[normal tendon]

Well fuck me that seems annoying

I can’t get curios with more than 3%

[coarse dune]

This one just extends your Bull Rush to 24m, sadly.

[normal tendon]

I suspect the main game will have more ways to extend it

But we’ll see

[untold rivet]

Hi can anyone PLEASE help as every time i finish a mission and it goes to the rewards screen i am 100% every time getting a CTD. i can do missions fine, but the final reward screen constantly crashed my game. anyone know why at al please!!!! 😦

[bold bronze]

I still don't understand why we are so limited on crafting abilities still...if they want us to test things, why are we not allowed to test them

[normal tendon]

Probably just have to wait and see

[coarse dune]

Indeed, whoever in FatShark studio wrote these ridiculous Penance challenge, deserves a low salary!

[normal tendon]

It’s really the worst one

[rigid wasp]

Can you tell me a little extra about how you managed to get it done?

[normal tendon]

He says above

The guy who did it

Had to kill 8 elites in 20 seconds

[rigid wasp]

thats everyone now

[untold rivet]

@rigid wasp really the game is in that bad a state that everyone is crashing at rewards screen?

[rigid wasp]

Right, that's what I don't really get. Also the psykers because cooldown reduction?

[normal tendon]

So there’s a feat for Ogryn

[coarse dune]

You mean "Don't stop me now" Penance? I haven't done it yet. As I linked ( #gameplay-help message ), read what that guy explains how he got it. He equipped 3 Curios with 5% Ability regeneration, cooperated with 2 Psykers and 1 Vanguard.

[normal tendon]

Which reduces charge timer by 10% for killing an elite by a teammate in coherency

[rigid wasp]

yep, i just crashed 5 games in a row along with everyone in party

[normal tendon]

Psykers always have a similar feat for killing elites

[rigid wasp]

and others are reporting it too

[sweet jewel]

Were three people in the same lobby with the same issue please does anyone know how to fix it or what causes it

[rigid wasp]

you cant do anything

[coarse dune]

Yes, this one.

[hard goblet]

Because the features are so buggy or incomplete that Fatshark can't have them ready at launch.

[rigid wasp]

I seeee, that takes a lot of setup

[normal tendon]

Imo I think we’re missing some curio options

I think launch might have better CDR for ult on curios

[hybrid gust]

Pray for the Emperors forgiveness for we all have sinned.

[untold rivet]

they need to fix it as a priority or they will loose a player base fast. its an amazing game to play but if it is going to consitently crash people will get fed up eveutally.

[normal tendon]

As the main slot

[bold bronze]

Oh, so you mean we won't even be getting them in a few days, it might be who knows how long before we get them? Yea...that sounds very fatshark.

[rigid wasp]

i think we're missing half the mission types

[normal tendon]

But we’ll see

[mellow bone]

Damn I went 2 days with no crashes now awards crashes 2 in a row

[rigid wasp]

bruh, we Ogryn have to go through this to get a pair of pants, meanwhile Zealots just have to be low health and AFK or simply don't use a gun for a mission

[normal tendon]

It’s partially copium for me because fuck man that challenge is so annoying to set up

[rigid wasp]

they must have made some change server side since there was no patch for this break so bad

[hard goblet]

Fatshark stated in their crafting announcement they'd be rolling out the features through December.

[coarse dune]

Wondering if we will able to boost up our weapon's "Ratings" to increase it to max (510)... 🤔

[bold bronze]

Must've missed that part. Bets on whether it actually happens in December?

[rigid wasp]

good thing they released the 1st bit of crafting which is basically a waste of your resources until max lvl so when they release the rest most people will be low on resources

still no espionage or investigate mission today

or am I just blind

[coarse dune]

I'm waiting for MORE cosmetics at launch day 'cause all of them you see in store, are just reskin ones. xP

[rigid wasp]

they dont exist since the last patch

[rigid wasp]

which patch

[bleak maple]

8 runs 8 crashes with zealot in end rewards screen

[hard goblet]

It's more likely than them releasing a new class every quarter.

[real plume]

So this Feat also lights up Dreg Shooters but killing those apparently doesn't refresh the duration? Oo

[rigid wasp]

last one

[rigid wasp]

they were around with Power Outage got released

is that the patch you mean

[hard goblet]

It's bugged.

[coarse dune]

They appeared as a limited timer, unfortunately.

[rigid wasp]

1.0.8

Look I don't pay attention to patch numbers

[rigid wasp]

what does that mean?

Just say if it was before or after the power outage update

that introduced the new boss

[rigid wasp]

lmao i dont know whats the power outage update, the crafting update

[rigid wasp]

It's a whole new mode that replaced Endless Horde

where the maps would have no power and be incredibly dark

[coarse dune]

Espionage/Investigation missions were there for little moment then disappears for long days.

[rigid wasp]

and have a new boss on them

[rigid wasp]

It was kind've a big update

[digital gate]

How do you get these maps? I've kept hearing about them but never gotten one...

[severe bridge]

The boss can be in any mission I believe. You just find more or they are guaranteed on power outage

[rigid wasp]

how did it replace endless horde when the only modifier i have is endless horde

[coarse dune]

Yes, it's called Daemonhost. Way muuuuch dangerous than Plague Slug one. Rule #1: ||Don't get downed!||

[severe bridge]

It Is on rotation

[shrewd pendant]

What's the discord ID of the CEO of Darktide? I need to ask him to release this game today

[rigid wasp]

ye ik the name I just said new boss for people who apparently didn't even know it existed

is it damn different for different people? because i ran missions up to heresy and never seen a daemon host. or have the map be dark. just the same 3-4 maps

[rigid wasp]

You wait for the yellow map modifier to change from Endless Horde to Power Outage

[unborn jasper]

this good

for eviscerate?

[severe bridge]

The modifiers rotate. So far I think it was only around for a few hours

[rigid wasp]

wow that is just ridiculous

[rigid wasp]

Shouldn't it come back out in 848minutes when the modifier rotates again

[coarse dune]

How about waiting until Nov 30? 😄

[severe bridge]

Yes, they keep rotating.

[severe bridge]

Yes

[rigid wasp]

when espionage back

[severe bridge]

It should

[void plaza]

is there a list of the max weapon power per tier? like salvaged vs masterclass max ratings?

[unborn jasper]

oh qwow

wait

[severe bridge]

People are still figuring that out. I think the highest rank item I’ve seen is a 515 gold

[late ermine]

is "Confident Strike"; [+6% replenish toughness on chaned hit] also working on heavy attacks? or just spamming fast attacks

[rigid wasp]

i got screwed out of my weekly because of how the missions rotate too, had 2 grims left with a couple hours left and every other grim mission was lvl 3 + endless hordes or higher

[severe bridge]

If your unsure about a mission try and re rolling it

[coarse dune]

List of rarity tiers:

• Master-Crafted (Gold)
• Militarium-Issue (Violet)
• Frontier (Blue)
• Black Market (Green)
• Salvaged (Grey)

[rigid wasp]

you cant manually reroll any missions though

[severe bridge]

? Yes you can. What do you mean

[rigid wasp]

its the same mission until it times out

right?

[polar sandal]

has there been a map rotation yet today?

[drifting hatch]

You have to spend money to reroll

[severe bridge]

Oh sry. Miscommunication. You can re roll your weekly thing

[rigid wasp]

oh you mean the challenge

[dry kiln]

hammer is fixed. I just crafted "Sprint efficiency" on mine Sadge

[severe bridge]

Yes, I used the wrong word and wasn’t clear that’s my bad

[bleak maple]

Should i master craft the sword with crafting materials? perks look decent

[rigid wasp]

Is there any armour for ogryns btw? Other than shirts.

i already had rerolled it three times, first two times gave me complete all 2ndary objectives on a certain mission and guess what, that mission wasnt playable

[severe bridge]

That’s really unfortunate sry bout that

[dusky cloud]

Should I save my money or buy weapons? I got one gun already but I'm not sure if I'm gonna get many more from completing stuff.

[rigid wasp]

drops are very rare and very random

buy

if the purchase is good

[dusky cloud]

OK. I was gonna save for a pair of pants I want that are like 12k lol

[gray geyser]

i think theres a shirt with a shoulder pad!

[bleak maple]

cosmetics are lame , focus on getting guns/curios

[wispy fractal]

I think I've gotten maybe 3 drops total from lvl 1-16 so far

[rigid wasp]

dont bother, cosmetics are extremely expensive

[wispy fractal]

It's incredibly stingy

[rigid wasp]

lol perfect 😄

125k for helmet at lvl 30

[dusky cloud]

But I'm tired of my prison rags : (

[sharp skiff]

Bad roll buy it for the blessing and keep your resources to upgrade a 350 grey

[digital gate]

negative. I live for the uniform / AND the God-Emperor of Mankind

[rigid wasp]

45k for armor and then a few lvls later you unlock the same armor with 1 more shoulder pad for 65k

What, style is half the battle

[dusky cloud]

I got a chest piece at lvl 5. Do you get more stuff for lvling?

[rigid wasp]

Yes, Sinra.

[rigid wasp]

shame its easier to grind 125k for a helmet than do the psyker penance for the helmet

[dusky cloud]

OK that's pr based

[digital gate]

Yes, complete class penances and lvl up to get more armour / better gear

[bleak maple]

God Emperor trusts me , I only kill

[craggy solar]

just from levelleing you get 2 different sets of shirt/pants basically

[tired crown]

The helmets in the shop* are only skins for helmets you've already unlocked, I'm pretty sure you can't buy new actual helmets.

[rigid wasp]

fuck i hope thats not true, i literally just gave up on the psyker penance to drop 20 enemies

[digital gate]

I really hope they at least have some helmets / helmet variants available in the store. I'd like to have a complete guardsman without becoming Commissar of the damn Militarum

[sterile gate]

Whats the best blessing/trait for the Eviscerator?

[tired crown]

I've only seen skins for items I've unlocked, never for anything new. If somebody has different information feel free to correct me but I'm 90% sure.

[rigid wasp]

what lvl are you?

[tired crown]

My vet has tons of helmet skins at level 30 but I've done most of the penances. My psyker (also 30, yes I'm a nerd) has zero hats in the store, ever, because I've not done any penances for the helmets.

[rigid wasp]

wow

[neon aurora]

Espionnage is gone for how long if anybody knows ? I need to do it for the penance

[craggy solar]

it makes sense to me that color variants of skins require you to have the base color variant first tbh

[tired crown]

If I could buy a psyker good I would because those penances are brutal.

[river scaffold]

its doable with bots... just a lot of rng

[rigid wasp]

so i have to grind and grind that fucking penance

[tired crown]

It does, it's just unfortunate for certain classes right now because penances are so difficult.

[craggy solar]

yeah true

[tired crown]

We all want to look cool but the hoops to jump through are ridiculous.

[river scaffold]

can do them with bots

[digital gate]

It is the goal of every true Imperial to grind away at an endeavour they will never see completed

[tired crown]

I get some things like complete each level on heresy, but when we can't choose missions and some aren't available for days at a time, how can people without unlimited free time work towards it?

[rigid wasp]

1st get lucky and get the correct map and the correct difficulty lvl best with more hordes modifier and then actually manage to drop 20 enemies at once

[vital relic]

what is the mobility stat on weapons ?

[cerulean pelican]

Eventually...

[vital relic]

vs

[tired crown]

One would hope that they let us choose, but as of now I don't know any news that they're going to revamp their system.

[rigid wasp]

you'd think a switch to says "allow other players in mission" would not be difficult to implement

[tired crown]

That's coming sometime in December, supposedly. Private lobbies are announced as a thing they're currently working on and testing.

[rigid wasp]

id do the penance with bots pretty fast probably but i cant ever get enough time before someone joins to get 20 enemies to drop

[dapper violet]

Hey - anyone has like a good way to level up classes from 1? I feel like eg psykeeper us super unsatisfying to play until you unlock some stuff on it

[rigid wasp]

im lvl 25 and tried to trick matchmaking by going for lvl 1 missions but nope, still forces people in. even if the mission should have already expired

[indigo urchin]

Hi! I wrote today a pretty phat Guide to Ogryn in general - just, how to ogryn, with writeup on all guns and talents and such; Hope someone starting their 'Gryn Adventure will find it helpful!

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z768df/ogryn_101_how_to_unga_bunga_for_emprah/

[rigid wasp]

you just do lvl 1 missions until you have enough damage to handle malice

i started doing malice at lvl 5 but damage was a problem

[dapper violet]

Do you do ones with sec obj and special cond or just QP

[rigid wasp]

usually with sec obj, special conditions dont give any benefits in form of xp I think

id say do ones with scripts but i heard some are bugged now

[dapper violet]

Well, thanks friend

[rigid wasp]

assasination missions seem to be fastest

it was way easier to lvl when the fewer hordes modifier still existed

cause then you malice on lvl was was pretty much easily doable until the boss for example when your dmg might be a problem

but otherwise as a psyker you can brainpop specials and have that be your biggest contribution

just make sure to use the lvl 5 feat for restoring toughness via peril

[left fern]

has anyone figured out how to get these kind of high-tier cosmetics to show up in shop? they don't seem to reset or change for me.

[frozen bloom]

that ones from penaces, finish malice mission with less than 1 bar of hp

[left fern]

no, that one is red.

this one is black.

[frozen bloom]

[indigo urchin]

Also you get recolors of the armours you already unlocked in shop, so you wont randomly get armours there that you don't have in different colors, it seems.

[spiral grail]

what's the cheese method for the flesh wound zealot penance

[iron ledge]

WHY?> Does holding the grenade make the fuse longer?

[dense sable]

Any advice for 'On Overwatch'?

[frozen bloom]

would be weird if you can just buy those

[left fern]

however i don't get some armor pieces i have unlocked in different colors, and for some reason i saw it in a video where the person has not unlocked the final penance yet.

[quiet wharf]

where can I see all blessings?

[coarse saffron]

I have the Final set for Psyker unlocked, give me a minute to see if they apear in different colours in the shop

[left fern]

these are all cosmetics the person has, and the one from penances aren't there tho.

[polar sparrow]

the world if darktide had an option for custom games

[split coral]

The Heresy achievements give a black version of the armor.

[cosmic wraith]

i believe it will at release

[coarse saffron]

I don't think the zealot version is black tho

[left fern]

where can i find that one

[jade pebble]

Asking for some clarification, some games when it says "allies within aura/area" it includes yourself. When a Feat says "Allies in Coherency" does it include you as an ally, or as written and only other people.

[left fern]

this one is red.

[split coral]

Under class, they will be near the bottom and mention "Complete a mission on Heresy or higher"

[left fern]

nope

[lament raven]

1219734880

[split coral]

weird, Psyker ones are all black for Heresy. I guess the shop should stock them once you unlock the original from achievements

[left fern]

once again, this person didn't need to unlock them, they just straight up bought them

i am puzzled

[real plume]

Where is that screenshot from?

[vital relic]

do you get xp based on missions type ? or kills or both ?

[prime cedar]

is this the right chat to find a group to do penances with?

[outer bloom]

what are the 7 mission types?

[tired crown]

On mission difficulty and secondary objectives / modifiers.

[vital relic]

thank you 😄

[dense sable]

I mean to be fair at least you dont have to pull off the crazy penances for the look, just the coloration. It allows people who play more casually to at least obtain the look if not the colors of red/black.. If anything the colors being different are good enough for me because thats kind of signaling you did it.

[coarse saffron]

Not really, try #vox-lfg's

[real plume]

Are you sure this is a screenshot from the pre-order beta?

[fathom crag]

Does anyone here speak techpriest?

[left fern]

yep.

[sick briar]

Thats heresy

[glad cypress]

That's hearsay

[left fern]

from a video about cosmetics and tips on unlocking the penance ones.

[coarse saffron]

Don't think this is in the game yet. This shows the T4 outfit for Zealot in black. Currently only the red is available through a penance.

I have T4 for Psyker and also cannot buy any colour variations

If it doesn't become a variation, it's most likely a scrapped colour for the outfit?

[spice sigil]

Unlock the penance then those ones will come up

[smoky arrow]

Can a group help me get the cliffhanger penace!

[left fern]

hm, someone had it on their account, but perhaps we will get access to it onces the game releases.

[smoky arrow]

Can a group help me get the cliffhanger penace!

[tired crown]

Ask in the vox-lfg channel for your region and you'll have better luck!

[coarse saffron]

Just because devs or press have it on their account doesn't make it widely available

[uncut verge]

[frosty star]

does anyone know when Espionage missions show up? havnt seen one past two days

[left fern]

mhm. that's what i figured. it's just odd that not all cosmetics are unlocked on there.

[coarse saffron]

If you're looking for advice, Try Oblivium, small bridges at the end on Malice with endless hordes modifier, becomes a matter of tries and time before you have it 🙂

[coarse saffron]

As far as I know they're not on a set pattern

[frosty star]

F

[frosty star]

oh hey you get the 100% ammo penance yet?

[spice sigil]

Nope, decided to take a break from it and lvl psyker lol

[frosty star]

lol im trying to get my 2nd tier helmet RN need one dam mission type for it

[tired crown]

That's wise, so many of the penances are head-bashingly frustrating.

[coarse saffron]

Tell me about it

But a satisfactory experience all-round

[spice sigil]

Ye tried for 3 days, almost had it 3 times just couldnt after that

[tired crown]

I've almost got the 3rd tier helmet but need the no ammo penance still, kind of ran out of steam when it comes to playing stupid and gimping my team.

[uncut verge]

ok... see the penances are extremely frustrating to accomplish...

[coarse saffron]

That seems to be the global opinion yeah

[frosty star]

there are few good balanced ones

[tired crown]

"sorry guys, I know heresy can be rough on pugs but I'm going to intentionally make it harder by only using melee until the end when I keep us here longer than necessary unloading a revolver into the horde"

[hollow zinc]

anyone doing cliffhanger

[tulip ginkgo]

If i have a masterworked weapon with a rating of 450.. is there any way to increase the rating at all? or is it just forever locked to 450? In other words, If I have a weapon I really like it doesnt matter, because I should just find a green or blue with higher rating and level that instead?

[frosty star]

like the 5 weakpoint kills in one volley fire"

thats a good one

[grand magnet]

Anyone know if this counts with cleaves?

[shrewd python]

Proc bleed on crit strike

dunno the %

[rigid wasp]

Ogryn only has one helmet now, yes?

[uncut verge]

yeah, you should be trying to do that anyways lol

[tired crown]

Oh for sure, same with the grenade kill without bouncing. I didn't mind most of them for vet, they go hand in hand with how you play

[frosty star]

I have all the veteran penances

[uncut verge]

And attempting it doesn't gimp your play for the run either

[coarse saffron]

Non-argument really. Penances are challenge-runs

Idk why nobody can see that they require a full team of support at this early stage in the game.

[tired crown]

Right, it makes you even do more for you team

[tulip ginkgo]

I keep trying for the 100% accuracy but I end up getting more ammo at the end.

[frosty star]

yeah the grenade one is pretty easy TBH 40 meter yeet or just underhand off a ledge

[coarse saffron]

All this "Penances promote griefing" is a little silly to me. It's still the player that decides to do them even if it goes against team-efficiency in pubs

[half totem]

Hey guys i think the up close and personal penance for preacher is bugged

ive done it twice now and it wont complete

[coarse saffron]

Seen someone get it yesterday evening, so not sure about that

[fathom kite]

Whe going for the "Make every shot count" Penance, If I use a shotgun and I still hit but some of the pellets don't does that fail it?

[tired crown]

It's not griefing but they could be much better done, similar to some of the vet penances that essentially have you work toward bettering yourself. Get more weak point kills than you would have gone for otherwise is great incentive

[half totem]

idk whats wrong with it

[bleak maple]

the whole game is bugged , wait till new update , i played 10 matches with 10 crashes as zealot in end rewards screen

[uncut verge]

Shotgun is the most recommended weapon and I haven't seen anyone refute that it doesn't work

[runic notch]

It only counts if you did the mission from start to finish and i've seen people say that you cant place med or ammo packs

[fathom kite]

Thank you!

[coarse saffron]

1 pellet = 100% accuracy for that shot.

[half totem]

i havent placed any and i did them start to finish

[fathom kite]

What about shooting teammates?

[fathom crag]

No Meds? No Ammo packs? What about Grenades? Are those off limit too?

[weak marlin]

What does Impact stat affect?

[coarse saffron]

"They could be better" is a little mild compared to the stuff write about it.

[runic notch]

Grenades are fine afaik. i've used them and still got it

[fathom crag]

Okay thank you. I'll try this now with the no meds/ammo in mind myself.

Any other tips?

[coarse saffron]

Honestly, the psyker penances are really challenging, and sure can get frustrating when you dont get them. But that's just up to how the player handles a skill issue I guess

Just keep trying, and do better

Currently working on pick and mix, I don't see how it's unfair or impossible like some state

[tired crown]

But why waste an opportunity to improve player performance and fun by making it utterly pointless?

[knotty vapor]

12 grimoire weekly challenge - fml

[tired crown]

It's more subtle than just "git gud", we could have penances that are fun AND challenging, not pointlessly designed for artificial difficulty.

[coarse saffron]

The only pointless one I see is "Going out with a bang"

[fathom crag]

Is "Just a Flesh Wound" still attainable with the exploit, or did they fix that?

[tired crown]

One of them is hard for the sake of it which some people will do regardless, the other is smart design taking more than just difficulty into account

[digital plume]

im almost done with the zealot penace's for the helmet but i have only found 5 mission types so far idk what to do

[drowsy charm]

It is

[robust pebble]

For Zealots who've used the Thunder Hammer and Eviscerator, which do you prefer and why? Would this be a solid purchase and then upgrade option?

[drowsy charm]

As of yesterday at least

[runic notch]

I dunno, haha. Really depends on how well you can close a malice mission without going for penance. My only trouble with the up close and personal was that I tried doing it while there were still plenty of stability issues, so I had to redo it twice before I got from start to finish.

[dreamy carbon]

The brainburst only against a monstrosity is also pretty ridiculous. Considering brainburst falls off so hard in higher difficulties.

[tired crown]

Yeah, that's one of them that's just.. silly.

[drowsy charm]

Evis has way better Crowd Clear and Shreds through armored enemies, Thunder Hammer seems kinda useless rn except for boss killing

[knotty vapor]

it doesnt even make sense, you have to have your allies just run around not hitting monstrosity?

[tired crown]

It doesn't add depth or teach you how to do something better, which imo is just a wasted opportunity.

[coarse saffron]

It's ridiculous, That's why it's a challenge.

Who said the point of penances was to teach us something?

[drowsy charm]

When the challenges force you to throw matches maybe they aren't good challenges

[tired crown]

I never said they claimed that, I'm saying that of my own volition. It's okay that you like them, but I think it would just be better design if they helped us achieve our goals in game

[uncut verge]

They're supposed to be self punishment lol

[rigid wasp]

self

[knotty vapor]

ye our penance is risking our lives every day killing heretics

[dreamy carbon]

You have a challenge like that, but then also have a challenge like have one wound for 75% of the mission. Most zealots pretty much play that way anyways.
One is a freebie the other is non-sense difficulty for no reason.

[rigid wasp]

Not punishment for others

so that isn't even an excuse

[coarse saffron]

Bruh nobody is telling you to expose pubs to your achievement hunting

Find people who are willing, slap them on discord, do it together

[knotty vapor]

i had a guy begging us to stand at a bridge so he could get some psyker penance

[hollow zinc]

anyone want to do cliffhanger with me and a guy

[tired crown]

Lol

[coarse saffron]

Anybody who does that shit on quickplay is a sucker

[rigid wasp]

Making challenges where the only challenge is that you are playing in a stupid way is stupid, they should be challenges that are hard by making you play better than usual. It should push you to do impressive things

[drowsy charm]

Not everyone who gets the game is gonna have someone to play this with, hell a majority of the people probably wont join the discord so they're gonna run them in pubs

[tired crown]

Hard agree, but that's just my opinion.

[robust pebble]

Yeah, I was using the thunder hammer on my zealot but... it's kinda been shit? Like, 90% of the time the special attack hits trash instead of the threat I'm actually aiming at

[tired path]

I need help with the push 20 enemies off a cliff as the psyker I just can't get enough enemies with my push

[drowsy charm]

Yeah, really sucks too cause I love how it looks but its just not really viable at the moment.

Hope they give it a buff on release

[uncut verge]

Nah, they'll nerf Evis instead

[tired crown]

It also can't be upgraded at the moment at the crafting station, I hope overall they take a good look at it

[fathom narwhal]

so at what level is it good to do malice difficulty?

[coarse saffron]

I get the feeling nobody here actually dislikes the challenges themselves.

People are either too afraid to reach out to people to do it together.
Really dislike people doing it in public lobbies (I agree)
Or just want fancy shirt without effort.

[uncut verge]

10+

[robust pebble]

Nerf bolters, power swords, eviscerators ... uh, is there anything busted for psykers? Let's nerf that too for the hell of it

[dreamy carbon]

From level 10 onwards. If you are beans, maybe not even level 30.

[robust pebble]

You can be carried at 10 but if you're not confident wait until 15.

[uncut verge]

Not just any beans, MAGIC beans

[coarse saffron]

@hard goblet Explain to me, how do you view this issue, because emoticon spam isn't very helpful

[patent otter]

Are Espionage missions even available right now ? I havent seen one for three days and I need it for penance

[drowsy charm]

10 is pretty safe for malice if you understand how the game works

[uncut verge]

IDK that I'd call it "Safe"

[hard goblet]

I have difficulty believing you aren't trolling and don't want to waste my time, sorry.

[tired crown]

And I get the feeling that while some people are gluttons for punishment, they also prefer to be contrarians and argue solely for the sake of it.

[robust pebble]

They aren't available right now. Mission types are being cycled in and out of rotation. And with how close we are to release... you might not seem them again until the 30th.

[drowsy charm]

Idk, when I was leveling preacher it was a pretty smooth experience on 3's.

[dreamy carbon]

Malice is pretty much the staple difficulty until they fix heresy perma endless hordes.

[tired crown]

I sincerely dislike some of the challenges, including quite a few that I've done going after cosmetics. Some are just so ludicrous I won't bother though.

[uncut verge]

Are you a Tides vet?

[dreamy carbon]

If you know how the game works, you can do it with a level 1 too.

[drowsy charm]

Really wish we just had a mission select screen like Vermintide 2

[wispy fractal]

It's going to vary person to person a LOT. Vermintide vets will be able to do malice pretty easily with just some okish gear

[fading tree]

about the grenade bouncing penance

[hard goblet]

Mileage varies depending on player skill. I've seen plenty of lower level people who needed carrying.

[fading tree]

how do you get the grenade to not bounce?

[robust pebble]

Aim higher. It has to detonate in mid air. The best advice I can give is to go into the meat grinder and practice tossing the grenade at about a 45 degree angle up into the air. Aim above a group.

[drowsy charm]

Not really, played VT2 for like 10 hours. But I did sink in like 30 Hrs into Veteran before going over to level Zealot

[tired crown]

Practice in the Psykhanium in the meat grinder. Throw it at a 45° angle

[spice sigil]

The 100% accuracy is bs, even for a mega hard challenge

[uncut verge]

Quick throw (just tap LMB) and arc it up 45+ degrees

[patent otter]

Throw it up, so it explodes mid air above heads

[dreamy carbon]

Tap throw aiming high.

[drowsy charm]

Yeah, fair point.

[fading tree]

thank you all-

[dreamy carbon]

Just bring a shotgun, hard to miss with a shotgun.

[hard goblet]

Just wait, they'll claim the 0 ammo remaining part of the penance is well designed because it is and ignore how it punishes Veteran for doing their job.

[fading tree]

man I love this community-

[uncut verge]

Ok, well you have the base skills then.

Someones first character they probably won't do very well at 10 in malice. Hell, they'll still struggle at 15-20 their first time in Malice probably

[drowsy charm]

My shit aim would disagree with you

[robust pebble]

This. From what I've heard, every pellet fired counts as a hit, so if you clip an enemy it'll count.

[fading tree]

I remember one time I was asking on some other game

about how to do a certain thing, I can't remember

[spice sigil]

If shotgun works then its alright, just wish endless hordes would end

[patent sapphire]

anyone have tips for random group heresy missions, i’m at the point where my malice win rate is like >95% but my heresy win rate is uhh, not that

[fading tree]

but the responses were just "get good lol" or "just play the game"

[tired crown]

This is something that bothers me, it just makes more sense that they aren't fleshed out and need a revisit. If they really are working as intended I think whoever came up with them has questionable judgment.

[dreamy carbon]

Wait for them to fix perma-endless hordes. Only really possible with premades or godlike randoms.

[robust pebble]

Hope you get lucky with a good matchmake. I've had great fortune in being paired up with teams who know what they're doing, with the odd occasion that some of them are no better than headless chickens with a stick up their ass in how they handle themselves. Oh, and if they're below 30 then they're literally deadweight.

[tired crown]

What class are you playing?

[drowsy charm]

The jump from Malice to Heresy is pretty crazy rn. Kinda need a dedicated group for anything above malice

[patent sapphire]

vet, using either bolter or mg xii

[wispy fractal]

Malice feels almost exactly like the vet-champ difficulty jump.
If you know what you are doing and actively engage with all the mechanics it's not that bad at all, but if you have spent the whole time up to this point mashing M1 or just lasgunning everything it's going to hurt

[robust pebble]

MG XII club. In my humble opinion it's far better than the bolter if placed in the right veteran hands

[fading tree]

does anyone remember the no light missions?

[analog violet]

The funny ogryn main coming in here to give some newer ogryns a huge tip.

Stares at the screen

Stop being so static and just swinging. You may be a fat slab. But you can dodge and slide too.

Use your karking funny legs and dance.

[tired crown]

I've had probably 95% win rate on heresy doing the same, I try my best to take out ranged enemies so my team can flail about in melee.

[cerulean pelican]

Yeah, achievements that require one person to play in a stupid way should just be an achievement, it shouldn't lock cosmetics behind it, it should be just a little badge that you can show people

[dreamy carbon]

Legend difficulty was the shit in Vermintide. Heresy will be really fun once they fix the perma endless hordes.

[coarse saffron]

I'm honestly not trolling
Some achievements are a bitch to get. That's just what they are. An optional hurdle to step over.

Nobody is making us do them, there is no progression locked behind them.

People are always complaining about how they ruin public lobbies
Or how they are impossible to do in public lobbies
or how they dont contribute to a good run.

It sucks when people ruin games over them. But are the challenges to blame, or the people dumb enough to attempt them?

It sucks they are hard/impossible to complete solo, that's just what it is, it's a coop game, so some of the achievements will require cooperation.

"If you and/or your friends want fancy hat, be prepared to try this dumb thing we want you to do for them"

[robust pebble]

As a veteran you should be focusing down ranged minions or specials/elites. Only when you're being swarmed by pox walker should you ever pull out your power sword and join the fray. You're the designated dome popper, more or less.

[fading tree]

also can I achieve the grenade penance on any difficulty?

[cerulean pelican]

bolter feels too slow to reload, and too innaccurate for ranged, do i need to be 30?

[tired crown]

I think it specifies malice or higher.

[lone flower]

Hey, does anyone know what character body height has an effect in game? Do you have a bigger collision model or something?

[drowsy charm]

Yes

[robust pebble]

For Heresy? Yes, I would strongly recommend you be rank 30.

[fading tree]

aight ima do it on the easiest difficulty

[patent sapphire]

yeah i feel like i am usually pulling my weight in the missions it’s just sometimes we reach a critical mass of enemies and when people start going down i can’t clutch

[tired crown]

You can get the tactical reload (faster with rounds still in mag) and reload speed after elite kill to help, plus the level 30 feat of instant reload when using your ability.

But if you want to really lay down ranged cover fire to wipe out enemy gunners, the XII excels.

[dreamy carbon]

Bolter is amazing, just gotta pick your shots and get used to the sway from firing. Full-auto/burst is pretty much only for "Oh shit Crusher/Mauler/Mutant in my face!".

[robust pebble]

The Zealot is a better revive specialist than the ogryn so long as they toss a grenade into the mix, but most of them don't do that

[random wadi]

should i reroll gloryhunter when the feature drops?

[shut coyote]

Struggling to get the preacher penance where you kill 50 enemies stunned by your nade, any tips? Melee seems too slow but spraying an autogun into the crowd also doesn’t seem to get enough, I have a hard time telling if I even stunned 50

[tired crown]

Zealots don't have grenades, you're imaging things*.

[cerulean pelican]

yeah, i think i need to get some more perks for the reload, my xii feels better still,

[uncut verge]

You want flamer or boltgun

[drowsy charm]

Use a bolter or flamer instead of autogun

[dreamy carbon]

Aye, gloryhunter is meh.

[tired crown]

Yeah, I've gone back and forth between the two and the XII is very quick at popping heads

[analog violet]

Yeah but I can stand in funny horde and revive the psyker who said cowbunga and not throw pocket sand to get him up.

[patent sapphire]

that’s like almost perfect except rating imo, the only other perk you’d want is the rending one, that’s definitely a keeper no matter what though until you find a higher rated one

[cerulean pelican]

yeah, i know the bolter gibs, but i can still instakill normal enemies anyway, its just overkill most of the time

[analog violet]

Get told. Shouty.

[robust pebble]

It must be done on Heresy or Damnation, Malice doesn't work for it despite what the penance says. Go to a mission that has an arena in it like the smelter one, or the dusty map where you have to realign a dish. Find a spot where the pox walkers drop down onto the level you're on, toss two grenades at it and mag dump a bolter into them.

[shut coyote]

Forgot flamer even existed because I never see it in the shop, I’ll give it a shot. Thanks!

[wispy fractal]

BTW, what all enemies have carapace armor?
Reapers, crushers, maulers?
The grenade box perk looks hilarious but seems hyper situational

[patent sapphire]

assassination bosses too i think

[coarse saffron]

You can check what enemies have what armour in the meatgrinder

[dreamy carbon]

Lining up shots with Bolter is also really good, it has punchthrough. Potentially hitting 2 enemies with 1 bullet. Really good when shooters are piled up.

[rapid ermine]

Seems my Zealot only uses the bolter to fuck some snipers day and then mag dumping at a horde at the end of the mission while waiting for the last idiot to make it to the elevator/ship

[digital plume]

whats the best way to use zealot in heresy?

[wispy fractal]

Meat grinder only has like half the enemy types in it for me

[rapid ermine]

Bring in the flufferflaffer

[drowsy charm]

Does anyone know if the Saintly Missionary's Vestment for preacher is in the game yet?

[coarse saffron]

Shooting at the horde's feet works really well to stagger a bunch of them

[coarse saffron]

raise the difficulty

[dreamy carbon]

Leveling up unlocks more enemies in there.

[wispy fractal]

Incredible idea FS

Jesus

[rich smelt]

I don't know which weapon I should bring as Zealot since many many people is playing Veteran

[dreamy carbon]

Flamer and your choice of stabby weapon.

[coarse saffron]

Flamer is always a good pick for hordes,

[rapid ermine]

i like the big chainsword + flamer or bolter depending on if i want to be shutdown by snipers or not

[rich smelt]

I mean melee

[bleak maple]

12 crashes in a row in 12 matches at end rewards screen as a zealot , i wanna see how far it goes

[uncut verge]

Eviscerator

[warm snow]

ya'll reckon this is worth upgrading or nah?

[dreamy carbon]

Eviscerator, Knife, Chain Axe, Assassin Axe, Hammer are all good.

[uncut verge]

dat ammo stat tho

[rich smelt]

I have a good one, but is not really good for bleed/crit sadly 😦

[warm snow]

I mean it's not really an issue when you one or two shotting most specials

[rapid ermine]

What perk thingys do you want for eviscerator?

[uncut verge]

Oh if you're going for bleed crit build, you want dagger

[warm snow]

only was annoying when someone else was stealing all the ammo

[digital plume]

how r yall takin pics of ur weapons

[rich smelt]

I literally NEVER crit when I apply Eviscerator's bleeding

[warm snow]

compared to another xii I have with almost full ammo but kinda eh dmg

where I never had to pick up ammo

[mystic wyvern]

Hmm I'm noticing sometimes when I use a staff right click at around 78-85% that when the charge puts me to 100%, I instantly explode, but its not consistent. Is that normal? (As in no animation goes off for dying so I cant cancel it with my F)

[warm snow]

except near the end

[tired crown]

Mine has 800 ammo and I still have to be conscious about it, especially when I always get stuck with bolter zealots and revolver vets scooping it up.

[rapid ermine]

Who cares about critting when you can just REV UP -> zealot charge -> Fuck em up?

[wispy fractal]

Vets with minimum roll ammo still getting more shots than the heavy stubber

[bleak maple]

i use shareX steam

[wispy fractal]

Good lord

[rich smelt]

I tryed MK 4 Catachan, but I feel the damage is way too low

[runic cave]

are "zones" the individual levels/maps that we play on or something else?

[warm snow]

the xii and ia take 3 ammo per shot

so it's more like uh

150 shots or something

[wispy fractal]

Weird

[warm snow]

and 250-300 or so at max ammo

[rapid ermine]

Win+shift+s works in every game

[warm snow]

they should really just show the actual ammo

[wispy fractal]

But that's fairly reasonable then

[runic cave]

aight thanks

[tulip ginkgo]

Is there anyway to increase the rating of a master crafted weapon? If I have a 450 crafted is it forever going to be 450? Should I just find a similar weapon with a blue or green rating that has a higher base rating then consecrate it??

[warm snow]

also I hate how they gave us bars but no way to compare stuff

so you end up buying something

[tired crown]

That's a bug I'm pretty sure a lot of people have reported, I've had it happen a few times and it just makes me throw my hands in the air.

[warm snow]

and comparing it

and then it's worse so you just dump it usually

what about this one? worth an upgrade?

[rich smelt]

I really like the Hammer, but most of the time I can't charge it to kill an elite because a Veteran killed it before I get close

[smoky knoll]

i'm having the exact same issue. it's only happening with the lightning staff though, so i end up not using it

[tired crown]

That one looks pretty damn balanced

[warm snow]

also is it just elite dmg that is bugged?

[digital plume]

thanks

[mystic wyvern]

Ahh, I only use lightning and purge, but purge its so hard to even go above 85% it feels like with how slow the peril fills xD

[rapid ermine]

You can use it to capture whole screen or just parts of it and then just paste it or save it for later use.

[mystic wyvern]

But that makes sense, I figured, now I feel less bad when its insta-blown me up lool

[digital plume]

thanks

[tired crown]

The burdens of all that power, we've all felt it!

[smoky knoll]

yea, i blow myself up if i happen to cast right click above 85% with the lightning staff. often enough, no chance to hit ulti and save myself. i'm sure my teammates love picking me up all the time

[digital plume]

anyone found the fastest way for leveling so far ive just beein grinding lvl 1 assassination or any lvl 3 mission

[tired crown]

I've found most non-psykers understand. A lot of the time we bring enough to the table that it's worth it. Whenever I'm vet I'm thrilled to have a good psyker even if that means the occasional explosion.

[desert mirage]

There isn't any way to choose to play with bots or enter something like a firing range once the tutorial is over, is there?

[mystic wyvern]

Does that mean under normal circumstances you would be able to use a staff right click at like 95%+ peril similar to brain burst and consistently stop the animation with F? If so, goddd can't wait for that.

[unique forge]

the general chat is useless - anyone know if they're going to fix the constant racking of bolters? when the chamber is literally empty or when it's equipped but you get stumbled... you have to rerack? that's not how guns work

[tired crown]

In the Psykhanium you can do the meat grinder, just spawns stationary enemies you can test weapons on.

[digital plume]

the psykarnium i think its called

[desert mirage]

thanks

[high cairn]

The tutorial NPC, go to the Meat Grinder

[smoky knoll]

if you start the left/right click below 100% you won't blow up

you'll just end up at 100%

[mystic wyvern]

Not with the lightning staff

[flint stone]

Anyone know what error 4007 is?

[smoky knoll]

yes, not with the lightning staff... i've gotten so used to running high peril that i blow myself up all the time when using it

[tired crown]

I think the bolter racking is an intentional gimp to slow down swapping. It's such a strong weapon they had to have some downside, that might be it.

[high cairn]

It is 100% intentional yes

[coarse saffron]

It's because the Surge staff has two instances of peril gain,
One when starting the surge
and one when squeezing you hand shut at the end

[smoky knoll]

the other staffs also work like that

[wild flame]

Is there a new update out today? I thought we'd be getting new content today?

[high cairn]

They specifically said on the open of the prerelease beta that ranged weapons have a long swap and ready animation specifically to make it so switching to ranged isn’t something you can do quickly and when you’re surrounded.

[coarse saffron]

Yes, bigger and stronger weapons are offset by a longer dawning animation

[smoky knoll]

you just end up at 100% on the second gain as long as you fire before hitting 100%

[unique forge]

i understand it's a check cause it's so strong, but reracking it? really? i can cancel the stupid animation to reload, but i have to actively do it, and higher levels i'm busy with other things like... you know... surviving

[silver glade]

has anyone noticed that if your ammo goes over 1000 it glitches out and represents as _xxx with the 1000 number missing and only the _xxx number showing

[high cairn]

That’s the point. Hybrid combat style and all

[unique forge]

i think you're missing my point

it's arbitrary

[tired crown]

Yeah it's unwieldy and I personally can't stand it. If I use the bolter I specifically set my feats up for it and always plan ahead so I don't have to swap as much.

[ashen ingot]

Its not arbitrary, it has a clear design goal to being slow

[unique forge]

same, reload 30% and so on

[glossy girder]

anyone wanna help em with a penance

its on heresy dificulty

[high cairn]

It’s a thing on all ranged weapons. The Bolter is meant to be a clunky and slower weapon.

[tired crown]

But it feels like so much extra effort that I end up going back to my XII or recon lasgun.

[coarse saffron]

Try the LFG channels

[unique forge]

but it IS arbitrary - it's an extra animation that literally does not make any sense beyond "oops it's slow"

[harsh path]

Yeah and I think it's fine like that.

[coarse saffron]

True

[ashen ingot]

you arent going to win any "making sense" arguments in the universe of 40k. It reracks everytime for gameplay balance.

[high cairn]

It’s an intentional balance design they announced back on the 17th

[warped osprey]

That feel when you finally get a Force Sword with Deflector

[high cairn]

So like, idk what you wanna say. Are you saying you want an animation that at least makes sense?

[sudden finch]

Hey is espionage out of rotation at the moment?

Probably been asked a lot

[smoky knoll]

i've only seen that once, and it had crappy stats 😦

[unique forge]

well then, i guess the intentional designs of almost everything being incredibly vague. what do the bars mean on weapons? what is your base crit chance? what is it with added perks? how does gear score really work, and how is it affected by what's equipped vs whats in inventory?

shall i go on?

[ashen ingot]

if you enjoy talking to the void, sure

[high cairn]

You didn’t answer my question. What do you want them to do

[sudden finch]

Detailed stats are getting added soon™️

[unique forge]

this reracking is an odd hill to die on considering everything else

[coarse saffron]

They are going to change weapon statistics.

[harsh path]

Who cares, buy a weapon you like. try it out in the meat grinder.

[high cairn]

I’m literally asking what you want instead

[harsh path]

Big numbers are good

[unique forge]

i want them to remove the racking, especially since you can cancel the animation when it's empty

[worthy ore]

is the blowing myself up onto 3 elites also bugged and not completable on malice?

[magic mirage]

So I have one big issue, as Ogryn I feel the pain of the big hitbox and struggle to keep my health, I use a shield but it feels like it’s not enough, any tips?

[unique forge]

give us a smaller mag, fine

[high cairn]

So you want it to be faster to swap to it then

[unique forge]

or less max ammo

no, i want it to work when it's literally already equipped

i feel as if you're being purposely obtuse

[coarse saffron]

And I want them to add a lubing the voidstrike staff animation before whipping it out. But nobody cares

[craggy solar]

I could actually see them nerfing bolter max ammo to keep the power fantasy but bring it more in line

[polar plover]

I get what your saying, I’m fine with it being slow to swap for balance reasons but the actual animation in and of itself is annoying and dosnt make sense. It should be ejecting a shell and it kinda takes me out too.

[ashen ingot]

haha, as if we are being obtuse? my man its there so that the bolter isnt the insta-pick for literally every class that can use it. You should clarify you just dont like its a "racking" animation for technical immersion reasons

[harsh path]

Honestly I want them to keep it in.

I pop a semi every time I hear a bolter slide racked.

[unique forge]

the fact that you two keep arguing the same thing means you are being obtuse - yes, technical immersion it doesnt make sense, but if the weapon is literally already equipped, why am i suddenly reracking it?

[coarse saffron]

Technical immersion reasons, I hope this guy never finds out about orcs

[high cairn]

I’m literally confused as to how you think I’m being obtuse. You said you don’t like the animation, so I asked if you just want a different animation or if you want the swap itself to be faster. You said you want the animation gone, so I asked you want it to be faster and you said no, you want it to work. How is that me being obtuse?

[ashen ingot]

what are you even talking about now? just post an example gif or w/e. You rack it whenever you switch to it, nots when its "Equipped" i dont know what you mean now

[unique forge]

the gun.
the gun is already in my hand.
It is not being swapped to.
i get knocked backwards.
i rerack it.
i have not swapped weapons

[polar plover]

It’s not a huge deal obviously. I’d rather them focus resources on other important things. But a different animation would be nice in my op

[harsh path]

Oh, yeah ok that is kind of weird.

I'll give you that one.

[high cairn]

Ok, so you’re talking outside of weapon swapping

[coarse saffron]

The bolt is just a little loose, they are working on it

[unique forge]

YES

[polar plover]

Yea

[ashen ingot]

So you dont like it when you are STUNNED that you ALSO ahve to re-rack the bolter? that wasnt so hard to say, and it doesnt confuse everyone with the default swap animation

[polar plover]

Every time you ads, rack

[unique forge]

you are the ones that kept saying swapped

i never said that