gameplay-help

[heavy shuttle]

When the supression mechanic is finally fixed by devs, shooting the lasgun at the ranged horde will produce the same effect as the bolter's stumble.

[ocean flower]

i have mixed feelings about that feat. on one hand, yes, when you have stamina it makes a huge impact. on the other hand, if you aim for more than 10 seconds, you can no longer block to escape potential danger

[heavy shuttle]

And when counterfire is fixed.... my god.

[delicate bane]

On th topic of XII vs bolter? Preference is the answer

[tired crown]

Yeah.. that's how I feel about it, too. Id like to try stamina increasing curios but my luck has been abysmal with loot.

[odd radish]

so friends will be friends is apparently not possible to get

[heavy shuttle]

That satisfying 'plink' killshot sound goes off like a chime.

[pine trench]

Sharpshooter here. I often find myself getting hit from behind and losing large amounts of HP. Any tips for this? I feel like I can never tell when they're behind me until I'm already getting hit

[heavy shuttle]

We fought that war about 30 minutes ago. The dust is still clearing, thank you.

[ocean flower]

camp expert feat

[delicate bane]

Lol im HELLA late

[ocean flower]

also, more attentive teammates

[torn wigeon]

yay or nay?

[pine trench]

isn't it my job to cover myself?

[heavy shuttle]

Turn the sound up. Until the devs fix the audio alert bugs to work -all- the time and not just -most- of the time. Camo expert and sound up is the best we got.

[ocean flower]

other than that: when an enemy is about to swing at you, there's an evil whooshing sound, train yourself to dodge to that sound

[rain dew]

the only way you could get in trouble for modifying your weapon is if you stuck something on it that wasn't designed to be attached to the weapon. even then, it's not exactly like someone is going to walk up to an astartes and tell him his weapon isn't standard issue or some shit

[heavy shuttle]

Against ranged? Eh... The argument could be made sure, but honestly its a team effort to cover each other. If

[tired crown]

Without power sword it might come down to teammates, haha. I hope they don't nerf it but we'll see! You also have the chain axe for armored foes and grenades for hordes.

[pine trench]

I'm honestly surprised how quiet bands of raving lunatic cultists are...

[delicate bane]

Eh... flip a coin lol. It looks pretty solid

[heavy shuttle]

Its a known bug, iirc

[heavy shuttle]

With the grenade nerfs/bugs, I've come to rely upon PS way more than grenades.

PS busts through armor like the kool-aid man

[tired crown]

From what I've seen it's incredible for punching through armor, though I've not used it so I can't vouch for it.

I do like the chain sword a lot, it works well against armor (limited experience though) and the roar is SO satisfying.

[outer meadow]

power sword with charged up attacks go vroooom

[tired crown]

They're trying to avoid the power sword due to its high likelihood of a nerf

[heavy shuttle]

turning enemy whole numbers into fractions

[hoary sparrow]

fairly good

[tight cedar]

if you're avoiding the power sword then the chain axe is probably the next best thing

[pine trench]

I bloody love the power sword, though having to repeatedly press a button to charge it does feel a little clunky

[tight cedar]

its real nice

[tired crown]

That was my thought too.

[pine trench]

and it has some funky animation/sound bugs

[heavy shuttle]

Bolter and PS... Both on the chopping block of nerfs... If they nerfed vet's grenade abilities, they are just letting the hammer cool before smacking those two with it.

[delicate bane]

Its a good trade off for cutting everything in front of you in two

[pine trench]

oh for sure

it just feels clunky

[tight cedar]

its definitely clunky

[heavy shuttle]

Without the charge up, the weapon would be broken.

[delicate bane]

And oh its DEF gonna be nerfed

[hoary sparrow]

if they nerf bolter it would become useless

[tired crown]

I won't be surprised, just disappointed. Huge chunks of the day this channel is just complaining about what vet stuff needs nerfed:-(

[heavy shuttle]

... which many consider it already is.

[tight cedar]

the worst part is when a poxie hits you over the head and cancels the charge

[pine trench]

power sword my beloved 😔

[delicate bane]

Fr

[heavy shuttle]

I would like it to became a whole lot less useful, tbh.

[delicate bane]

My gladius

[tight cedar]

i hope they add a power axe 👀

[pine trench]

Haven't tried the bolter yet, been sticking with the XII lasgun for a while

[bleak maple]

is imperial edition worth buying?

[hoary sparrow]

that gun is good for quick bust of dmg, some class outside vet use it for a good reason

[delicate bane]

Power fist tho, i want that

[tired crown]

But it's already inferior to the XII, we should nerf that. It's stupid strong.

[pine trench]

most definitely not lol

[tight cedar]

power fist would be incredible

[pine trench]

like $20 for a hanful of skins

[halcyon delta]

same. as a vet being able to clear hordes/elites better than melee focused teamates feels broken

[heavy shuttle]

Can't go wrong with the XII.

[tight cedar]

punch straight through the bulwarks shield

[pine trench]

one costume for each class plus weapon skins

[bleak maple]

how about premium currency?

[heavy shuttle]

Agreed. Maybe bolters should be reserved for non-vet classes.

[pine trench]

not even in the beta yet

[tired crown]

Does it just bounce off enemies?

[pine trench]

i forgot about premium currency

bleh

[heavy shuttle]

Nerf XII? No.

[pine trench]

can't wait...

[rain dew]

this server is going to get rough once they bring vet in line with the other classes and all of the people crutching on it start huffing pure copium

[tight cedar]

i honestly wouldn't mind the bolter being zealot exclusive

[delicate bane]

Just started usin it today, fuckin love it

[halcyon delta]

imperial edition felt cheap I guess but everyone has different standards for what makes sense economically to themselves

[hoary sparrow]

I think they can't take away weapon from certain class since that would be stealing, maybe soft nerf when vet use it maybe

[heavy shuttle]

For PS or Bolter? PS for horde clear? Yeah, pretty OP. Bolter for horde clear, makes a HUGE ammo hog and a pissed off team.

[pine trench]

it's literally worth half the cost of the full game

it should be worth like 10 bucks AT MOST

[halcyon delta]

its 20 bucks, isnt the game 40?

[pine trench]

yeah

[tired crown]

Sticky would be a lot of fun, especially if it stuck to teammates.

[pine trench]

+20 for the imperial edition

[hoary sparrow]

yeah the deluxe edition is like 20$ lol

[heavy shuttle]

Or trade. Give zealots access to PS, give vets access to flamer.

[halcyon delta]

i guess 20 bucks doesnt feel bad, but again everyone has different thresholds for what works

[tight cedar]

lul, just load up the ogryn with nades and have him charge in

he wouldnt even mind

[hoary sparrow]

vet with flamer would be even worse...

[tired crown]

Or pile them on the psyker, he's going to explode anyway.

[heavy shuttle]

The shotgun/recon lasgun do the same thing, just worse.

[tight cedar]

have the psykers explosion send the nades flying like a cluster bomb

[rain dew]

the xii isn't necessarily OP as much as it is in the perfect spot along the gradient of other weapons. they could nerf its armor penetration by half and it would still be the best choice

[heavy shuttle]

The XII already has armor pen (carapace) issues.

[tight cedar]

the XII's headshot damage is a bit obscene

[hoary sparrow]

vet has a challenge call Make Every Shot Count, with flamer they would pass that challenge without trying

[tight cedar]

i can 3 shot a reaper with mine

[heavy shuttle]

Much reward for much effort.

[keen elk]

so the helbore.

[tight cedar]

helbore needs sights so bad

[tired crown]

Man, I can't believe you can get used to those sights though. They just kill me

[heavy shuttle]

Broddur, please...

[tired crown]

Kudos that you can, I just don't see how.

[tight cedar]

the gun is cool but its just unusable with those ironsights

[dusky aspen]

I dont find the the ironsights much of a issue for me

[tired crown]

Yeah, they do feel well balanced and they reward methodical shot placement which is really fitting for this game

[dusky aspen]

my issue is the charging part, but i hate charging guns in general nomatter the game

[gray hamlet]

What does rending mean?

[heavy shuttle]

Basing weapon choice off of those penances... I've already lost years of my life in stress over those... I don't think they really qualify as judging factors in which weapons each class should get.

[tight cedar]

i wish i could use them because its a cool gun but i just cant see anything through them

[fervent ledge]

I've tried to google this with no luck - veteran level 30 traits - what constitutes a desginated target? Elites only? Because the other targets such as scab shooters with the counterfire feat don't seem to refresh volley fire. I guess what I'm asking is - which enemies will refresh volley fire?

[dusky aspen]

Il just be using my offbrand hotshot in the meantime

[hoary sparrow]

Not what I mean, but right now all weapon build for all classes set in stone, I don't think they will move those around too much

[tired crown]

Yeah when you got the 5 weak point kills penance you seemed pretty ecstatic, didn't even care we got wiped thanks to a level 7 in a heresy match

[tight cedar]

at the very least the front post on each set of ironsights needs to be lit up

[heavy shuttle]

Known bug.

[keen elk]

lol. I just like the one shot capability 🙂 Literally one shot everything EXCEPT crapace

[tired crown]

That would do it, 100%.

Instead of actual iron.

[heavy shuttle]

It would make sense. Perhaps not an easy fix, but its still technically in beta. It's a possibility, even a remote one. Otherwise stuff is going to get the hard nerf.

[tired crown]

Wait, you don't just blast into oncoming poxwalker hordes with your XII?

[heavy shuttle]

For 10 ammo per charged shot? I'd rather just take a bolter.

[hoary sparrow]

remove bolter, give us a TANK, fair trade

[halcyon delta]

leman russ punisher or gtfo

[heavy shuttle]

Don't ever taunt me with a Lemon Russ....

[keen elk]

I only ever half charge though, so 5 ammo per charge

[spiral grail]

does this apply to purgator staff

[tight cedar]

i wish more vets were like you

[raw sage]

Does purgator inflict soulblaze?

[spiral grail]

no idea that's why I'm asking lol

[keen elk]

what's the ammo per shot of a XII?

[azure grove]

is there still 7 mission types or did some of them get removed again?

[raw sage]

I don't think it does haha

[heavy shuttle]

3 per out of a 900 ammo reserve

[spiral grail]

shame but makes sense

[tired crown]

Gotcha. I just started an ogryn tonight and I'm in love with it. The grenade makes me laugh every time

Especially when you take out an incoming burster or mutant.

[raw sage]

Wait till it becomes an MIRV

[tight cedar]

i think some got added but others got taken out of rotation

[peak crag]

Is it possible to do Malice Endless Horde at level 21? It feels so hard to do it without a coordinated team

[tired crown]

AHHH is that a thing?!! Can you make the box open up?!

[raw sage]

Yeah one of the perks scatters grenades when you hit an elite or special with it iirc

[tight cedar]

its very doable at lvl 21, the hard part is the RNG of teammates

its the same with anything higher than malice too

[tired crown]

Yes! An audible laugh, it's such a gratifying thud.

[heavy shuttle]

'Should' an ogryn be allowed to open up a box of live explosives...

[tired crown]

That makes my night, ty. I can't wait to get it.

[raw sage]

Tbh I always forget the nade box exists

[peak crag]

Is it possible to carry yourself if playing optimally?

[raw sage]

I thibk it's level 10 or 15 hehe

So not too late

[heavy shuttle]

Not in dif 4+, just too much heat.

[tired crown]

Im level 7 now, sah. I'll get me bigger booms soon

[tight cedar]

on normal malice then yeah, on endless malice it'll depend a fair bit on what the AI director decides to throw at you

[tired crown]

Probly tomorrow after some nosh.

[peak crag]

Damn..it's rough to be a solo player seeking teammates

[tight cedar]

4+ you cant carry

[heavy shuttle]

Vox-LFG (your region) almost always has people looking to play 🙂

[lavish breach]

Yo I havent been able to see a single investigation mission. Help...

[heavy shuttle]

Went there on pre-order release and found folks I still play with today.

[lavish breach]

:(

[tired crown]

Oi, they give us ogryns the biggest booms coz we can carry the most. Simple as

[raw sage]

Hrmmm we're 2 days from launch. Anyone else also feel like DT could use another month in CBT of balancing and QOL fixes?

[lavish breach]

Last thing I need so i can get my beloved helmet.

[raw sage]

But I guess this happened with VT2 too?

[tight cedar]

'luv me 'splosions

[tired crown]

More scars to show* the Emp-rah!

[peak crag]

I'm looking into the LFG channel..what's a speedrun? do they make shortcuts or something? lol

[rigid wasp]

yes, also you avoid areas and specific hordes

[storm laurel]

best way to play vet

haven't come across any others that play it that way so far unfortunately

[rigid wasp]

I do but it leads to a lot of toxicity

[storm laurel]

rough playing ogryn when you got a bunch of guys hiding around shooting you

[heavy shuttle]

#gameplay-help message

What you're saying but with examples(?)

[raw sage]

Do we actually have different missions in the same zone yet?

You gonna just follow me around and react kekw to everything I say @halcyon delta ? Grow up.

[lavish breach]

Where are all the investigation missions :(

[halcyon delta]

who are you lmao

[dusky aspen]

or espionage existing for that matter

[rigid wasp]

So you're saying I shouldnt play vet at all because I really dont like those guns

[heavy shuttle]

Not at all. That's just my recommendation on a game thats been out for less than a month(?) Which pretty much makes it speculative at best.

[raw sage]

Ah well. I still love the gameplay even if it's the same maps, heh.

[dusky aspen]

its all i need for second helmet

damnit

[tight cedar]

on difficulty 4 and above then you'll certainly be less capable of doing the vets job, on difficulty 3 then do as you please

[rigid wasp]

why is every level 4 I go in is endless horde? It doesn't say endless horde but every single game I go into it puts me in endless horde

[rigid wasp]

I cant even beat t3s my teams suck, i also cant use the lasguns as they give me a massive headache when i use them

[raw sage]

This is actually true. The number of times I get eaten by basic lasgun squads if I don't have my shield is kinda sad. And if I charge I'm out of position and dead.

[storm laurel]

honestly love playing vet really tactical like that

actually utilizing cover is wild

and the dodge sliding

holy moly

[tight cedar]

fair enough, most guns just drop off significantly on harder difficulties because the game decides to spam literally hundreds of ranged enemies throughout a mission so you need speed, versatility and ammo efficiency

[raw sage]

I always wondered how an ogryn dodge sliding looks from the outside

[storm laurel]

very silly

[mystic wyvern]

Should I be hoarding my crafting materials, and/or what rating gear should I start to use them on?

[storm laurel]

redditors complaining about re used assets

[raw sage]

I never noticed that

[halcyon delta]

thanks for the gold kind stranger!

[rigid wasp]

My biggest problem with the lasguns is they use too much ammo, I keep getting 4 vet squads and the past 20 missions Ive had access to no ammo for them

[raw sage]

I thought they were all set up fairly differently location wise (except for the two in the always raining place)

[lavish breach]

Istg are investigation missions even real ????

[tight cedar]

well the lasguns themselves are pretty good on ammo if you're hitting the shots but having 4 vets means ammo drops will get hoovered regardless which is real rough

[mystic wyvern]

So get a 350 white weapon I like, and upgrade it and hope for upgrades I like as it levels?

[bleak maple]

nice new map

haha look wat vet is saying

epic

[tight cedar]

that seems to be the way to get the best gear yeah

more crafting options will be available later which will make that easier

[mystic wyvern]

Seems reasonable enough, I'll continue to save then and keep my eyes on the shop

[rigid wasp]

Really? I am always go through a ton of ammo with them. Maybe im just not good enough to play this game at all

[tight cedar]

it depends a lot on what you're shooting at, if you're firing into hordes then yeah its really easy to use a lot of ammo with any gun

its alright to do that on occasion but vet is mostly for ranged enemies and specials

[bleak maple]

lucky you as a lvl 30 vet i'm getting all bot squads because every1 is playing vet and quickplay is bugged

[tight cedar]

melee is best for hordes

[rigid wasp]

Bots are more competent than most players it seems

I can clear t3s with bots, I get a player? nope

[fallow pier]

Hey guys I found this thing

It’s pretty good right? Highest gray I’ve seen

[tight cedar]

yeah thats a good crafting base

[fallow pier]

That first target stat is sort of low, is that bad?

[tight cedar]

tbh ive no idea what that stat even entails exactly

[bleak maple]

my gun says +20% damage to unarmored enemies , do that mean to all elites/maniacs/ogryns/boss without armor'?

[dusty sphinx]

aye so there might eb a bug

i have a mastercrafted voidstrike staff

[fallow pier]

Me when I see the “First Target” “stat” is “sort of low”

[dusty sphinx]

and when i have it equipped it shows that it is mastercrafted

but i exit out of the inventory then reenter it and it shows it as what it was before i consecrated it to masterfrated

[peak crag]

is the XP gain noticeable for normal vs. endless horde runs?

[dusty sphinx]

anyone able to tell me whats going on with that?

[tight cedar]

the extra difficulty outweighs the extra reward but its still a nice chunk of xp

[lusty rain]

If you unequip it and reequip it itll fix itself

[dusty sphinx]

ill try that

yey

thank yilias

[earnest urchin]

So what is the Corruptor? The penance for the ogryn "something in your eye" says to kill a Corruptor with and grenade to the eye.

[lusty rain]

Corruptor is the demon eye ball

[pine trench]

How does enemy melee damage work? Sometimes I find myself being hit for like 4 damage and then other times one hit does like 40 damage

[earnest urchin]

[Ooooooohhhhhh fuuuuuck

Thanks mates

[valid pelican]

Is it possible to get a grey weapon with all bar stats maxed out?

[hard goblet]

Shoutout to Wells, trapped between the Medicae station and a crate by a mutant. Died honorably to allow us to extract.

[storm laurel]

if you have toughness, being hit by melee will damage your toughness mostly, and then deal a bit of chip damage

if you don't have any toughness it all goes into your health

[pine trench]

I thought that but sometimes it seems like I still have toughness and am taking ridiculous health damage

[hard goblet]

The chip damage is very high even with full toughness for most classes.

[storm laurel]

it'll split the difference between both toughness and health

[hard goblet]

The real problem is when that chip damage is also corruption.

[storm laurel]

if you only have 10 toughness and an attack does 30 damage, it'll break toughness then do 20 to health

[hard goblet]

Is that really how it works?

Because I'm pretty sure a poxwalker swiping at me is not dealing 202 damage.

Toughness takes a higher scaling amount of damage from melee and it's not a flat subtraction.

[arctic swan]

Melee attacks currently have a minimum 10% damage bleed-through at max toughness and otherwise scales with your toughness %.

Between 90-100% toughness your health takes 10% damage.
At 50% toughness your health takes half damage.
At 0 toughness your health takes 100% damage.

[pine trench]

ahhh

that makes a bit more sense then

[storm laurel]

if it works like vermintide enemies that are alone do a lot more melee damage per attack

[arctic swan]

so keep toughness up, if it goes down, tget to cover and/or team mate to regen

[lusty rain]

What decides whether it's regular chip or corruption?

[hard goblet]

Enemy/weapon type.

[arctic swan]

doesn't seem to work like v2 with the single boss slave that does half your health lol

[hard goblet]

Things that are naturally corruptive/corrupted by Nurgle will often have corruption damage.

Tox flamers, pox walkers, pox hounds, Beast of Nurgle, Daemonhost, etc.

[keen elk]

unless pox hound hits you without biting

if it runs past, its chip

if it leaps on you and succeeds, its corruption

[pine trench]

Is the 326 rating worth with such a lower damage stat? The modifiers are mostly better but I'm unsure whether it's worth the significantly reduced damage bar

[warped oasis]

Upgrade the blue one.

[hard goblet]

I'd argue the purple isn't worth it purely because of the blessing already, nevermind the damage.

Blue one is a better option to start from.

Though its rating is also low.

[arctic swan]

tbh if I was levelling all my characters again I'd just buy white weapons and save my $ for when higher level stuff drops

[hard goblet]

^

Having the highest starting power rating you can with a white weapon is the best way to maximize your consecration gains.

[pine trench]

well at what point would higher level stuff be

[arctic swan]

when u hit 30

[pine trench]

ah

[hard goblet]

The cap for them seems to be around when you reach trust level 30.

[pine trench]

very well

[hard goblet]

You'll start seeing items in the shop hover around a peak power rating.

[arctic swan]

when you're levelling the feel of a weapon is more important than blessings and perks

[north wolf]

I assume the sheer number of weapons and perks on weapons makes mystery acquisitions basically silly to use, right?
Like, the chance to actually get something good with the right perks seems abyssmal.

[pine trench]

How worth is mobility on firearms?

[arctic swan]

depends on the weapon

some are naturally clunky so it won't matter much

[pine trench]

the XII lasgun is my weapon of choice

[arctic swan]

I have no idea which one it is since I've not paid much attention yet. I just maxed all the characters out using whatever feels good. I'd wait until crafting is out on release and we have a BCR and community tools to optimize stuff

[wintry sigil]

Ever get an answer to this? Still wondering.

[arctic swan]

jsat did a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

it's complicated so you can't just type a quick sentence

[valid pelican]

Anyone know max power level of a salvaged (grey) weapon?

[quartz heron]

350

[stone wing]

incorrect

they go higher than 350

[quartz heron]

I have not seen one higher than 350

[stone wing]

I've seen 358

[bleak maple]

my gun says (+20% damage to unarmored enemies) , does that mean to all elites/maniacs/ogryns/boss without armor'?

[stone wing]

@quartz heron

[quartz heron]

did you shop it?

[arctic swan]

The armor types are here:
https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

Most enemies have multiple armor types depending on body part

[stone wing]

that photo was pulled from this channel a few days ago

I've also personally seen a 353 lasgun in my own game

[valid pelican]

Starting to think randoms from inquisitorium is the way to aquire high salvage items

[stone wing]

so if anything
I'm starting to believe that 360 might be the cap for grays

I've heard people say they've gotten 370-390 grays
but have never been given a screenshot

[valid pelican]

Keep thinking of getting this but... I feel like it's relatively weak compared to what it could be stat wise

[quartz heron]

If it can be obtained at 360 or so that would be an amazing base

[spiral grail]

anyone else think purgator is slept on so hard, seems like it's perhaps even slightly better than surge staff?

[dusky aspen]

What are the ideal blessings and traits for the recon las the slower firing one

[solemn parcel]

are toughness on hit traits not desirable at all

[outer meadow]

I think this one can one-tap mobs on T3-T4, ranged non-elites that is. Given that they're the biggest menace on those difficulty, this is a treat.

[stuck ridge]

Is that the one that fires the Ball of Death or the Fire Staff?

[spiral grail]

fire staff

wtaf is a groaner lmao

[arctic swan]

groaners are human zombies who haven't fully turned in to poxwalkers

[late basin]

is there a reason to why some weapons don't drop anymore, in my case can't "drop" (in the shop) any flame thrower with a preacher ?

[peak crag]

So is XP gain based on completion of mission or amount of targets slain/progression of the mission?

[austere epoch]

anyone got any idea when they plan on fixing the ranged damage vs elites perk?

[warm swallow]

I am a lvl 18 vet and saw my first mastercraft item. should I go for it?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298422002447024129/1046681181304918016/SPOILER_image.png

[austere epoch]

no

[snow girder]

8 days of pain and teeth grinding.... finally got legit "An Overwatch"

[warm swallow]

not a good gun?

[austere epoch]

actasully if its just for straight up coin then go ahead

if its for the contract stuff id pass it up

[shut crown]

Not that good of a gun

[warm swallow]

yea its for the weekly currency

[austere epoch]

oh then big no

[ocean flower]

save your weekly cash

[warm swallow]

ah gotcha thanks

[granite panther]

Is hammer crafting fixed or nah

[weak trellis]

can you do the tiered penaces out of order?

[shut crown]

Nope

[winter sigil]

Anyone knoes what finesse and mobility actually does on force swords?

[weak trellis]

like completing inquisitorial legend before inquisitorial exemplar

[sinful terrace]

Marked for Death is pretty free if a Beast of Nurgle spawns, I was surprised too the wording makes it sound like you need 4 different enemies

[unkempt basin]

Follow up question, is being unable to replace the same mission more than 2 times intended or a bug? 😅
Button isn't grayed out but clicking it and then accept on the cost prompt does nothing

[peak crag]

Is it possible to find legendary items in the shop?

[oak palm]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1976546800565161734/D39AF1CDB4AC48090E49B12BA6EAA42D43607536/

Good gun?

[shut crown]

yes to the first question, and most likely yes to the second. You should be able to reroll a bounty more than twice

[shut crown]

mehhh

[shut crown]

only in the bounty shop as far as i know

[peak crag]

Where's that at? I can't find it

[shut crown]

are you rank 11?

[peak crag]

21

[shut crown]

then as soon as you spawn in from character creation, go straight and look to the right

there's your weekly bounties

[peak crag]

ah I see, ty. It seems I haven't made much progress..everything is 0

[granite panther]

@shut crown

[shut crown]

?

[granite panther]

Crafting not fixed for hammers

[shut crown]

yup

my zealot is weeping

[ornate compass]

What missions are in Mission Refinery 17? I got it as a weekly but can’t find it in the hub.

[minor oxide]

Is there a difference between "+#% replenish toughness on ..." and "+#% Toughness on ..."?
Also, does Chained Hit mean multiple hits on the same target, or does it have something to do with attack chains (like light/light/light/light combo)?

[ornate compass]

That’s terrible pen

[minor oxide]

It is terrible pen.

[dry herald]

finally

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668232004973625394/1046694717372506192/image.png

[dusky aspen]

how much of your sanity did you lose for it

[dry herald]

all of it

[dusky aspen]

want to 100% accuracy yourself?

[dry herald]

about to

[dusky aspen]

i felt the same after i did it

[shut crown]

congratsest

[hard goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

[dusky aspen]

Anyone know?

i would assume inferness whatever the name is part of it

[tiny granite]

how does rating works? I've tested 2 of the same weapons with like 150++ rating difference and damage didn't seem to differ much

[mystic drum]

Does shotgun count for 100% accuracy?

[austere epoch]

ratings work like a running total of all stats on a weapon. a higher rated weapon isnt garunteed to deal more damage @tiny granite

[thick mica]

Rating is the average of the stats, not just their damage. So one weapon with let's day 180 dam could have 300 rating while another with 170 could have 400 because those stats are put in other places

Like stamina, mobility etc etc

[austere epoch]

plus they add in for perks, blessings, etc

[tiny granite]

so like, more rating = more stats combined?

[thick mica]

Yes

[austere epoch]

yes

[thick mica]

Damage is only one of those stats

[hard goblet]

The rating is the pool from which points can be allocated to various attributes such as the stat bars, blessings, etc.

[austere epoch]

but then you also have things that add into damage or "modify" it, like penetration, shredder, etc

[hard goblet]

This is why it's advised to start with a white weapon as all of its points will be in stat bars.

Whereas higher rarity weapons, green/blue/etc. will have higher rating but those points are spent in blessings and not necessarily the stat bars.

[spark elk]

if someone dies during extraction is there any reward for rescuing them or do you just extract

[valid pelican]

What is the "Mobility" stat?

[thick mica]

Apologies, but I actually don't follow, do you mean to say when you consecrate a weapon you should start with a white one and take it all the way to master crafted?

[austere epoch]

dodge distance i beleive @valid pelican

[valid pelican]

Ah

[spark elk]

and sprint speed

[hard goblet]

Correct.

[austere epoch]

im kind of in agreement with that

[thick mica]

Well I'll be damned

Noted

[hard goblet]

Ideally, you'd want to find the white weapon you want that has as high a base power rating as possible allocated to the stats you care about.

[tiny granite]

Ok now I'm more confused. Does consecrate a weapon makes stat bars change? like slight increase in some bar etc. cuz rating increase

[hard goblet]

Consecration does not increase stat bars.

This is why starting with a white weapon is ideal.

[thick mica]

On that note, are master crafted weapons all within the same rating range? Or should I not bother consecrating my bolter until I hit 30 and buy a freshly statted one?

[hard goblet]

Because the stat bars you have on a weapon are what you're stuck with during the upgrading process.

[austere epoch]

hopefully they add a way to increase stat bars

so whenever you visit the armamentarium, give a glance at the whites and grab one you think has potential

[tiny granite]

so what you meant earlier is, if you start with a blue weapon, overall stat bars might be low because its rating point is poured into blessing?

[austere epoch]

yup

[hard goblet]

Correct. With a white weapon, all of its power rating will be in stat bars.

With weapons that you purchase starting at green rarity and higher, they could have those points allocated to blessings instead of say damage.

[tiny granite]

huh. now thats a weird way to balance weapons

[thick mica]

I don't think that's the intent

Just a consequence of how the rating system works

[last totem]

a very easy way to phrase it is that the stat bars are not a representation of the overall strength of the stat, but rather the distribution of the stat points the weapon has. and since the bonuses and blessings drain assigned stats, there's less points left to distribute according to the balance set by the bars

[tiny granite]

but if rating determine all stats combined + blessing, a low stat high rating weapon means strong blessing right?

isn't that also good

[thick mica]

Yes but you can also manually bless a weapon later

So you'd ideally do that on a very well statted weapon

[austere epoch]

@thick mica actually you could make the argument that it was designed with that in mind. Starting with a white weapon and upgrading it means you have to put in more hours grinding out the mats and hope for a good perk or blessing. Granted its a terrible grind that puts at the mercy of RNG, but still they wouldnt be the first to implement it

[thick mica]

Sure it makes technical sense but it's terribly unintuitive, which is what gives me the impression that it wasn't intended

[austere epoch]

i can agree with both of those statements

[tiny granite]

Actually thats disappointed to know for me. I thought it would be cool if the same 2 weapons could have huge stat difference, so by end game there's no perfect weapon, only choices. If you could pump every stats to the max it's boring

[deft salmon]

@formal lark yes

[mystic drum]

Does shotgun count for 100% accuracy penance?

[lapis raven]

You can't pump up stats, just improve rarity

[last totem]

this makes sense to me, and it could well be the case that the actual stat gain you get for this is in practice not worth it for anyone who isn't absolutely minmaxing for what is essentially a god-rolled weapon with a tiny amount of extra stat points on it

which i think would be pretty reasonable

[lapis raven]

Which technically increases gear score because it adds perks and blessings, but the baseline stat bars stays the same

[ocean flower]

you at least can't pump up stats yet. iirc, fatshark has said that there will be a way to tweak their distribution - that could include outright increasing them

[austere epoch]

@mystic drum last i checked, there was an issue with some of the shots registering. Currently i think the go to is to use a revolver

[deft salmon]

@crisp sedge you are in your own coherency by yourself, only issue is you wont make yourself regen toughness

[crisp sedge]

But the zealot passive buff -% toughness damage for allies in coherency is active if I am by myself?

[deft salmon]

Yes

[crisp sedge]

Just checking 😄 Thanks

[deft salmon]

Unless the perk specifies it buffing only allies

[crisp sedge]

It says allies, but im pretty sure that includes the zealot

[mystic drum]

Allright. How good is revolver for general use anyway? Initial impressions are catastrophic reload and dinky ammo pool

[austere epoch]

well i was assuming you were going after the penance. TO my understadning, thats its only good use

im assuming youre going after the "Make Every SHot Count" penance?

[hard goblet]

I somehow managed to complete that god awfully designed penance today using the revolver. It's a terrible gun otherwise, but it's the easiest weapon to get the penance with.

[austere epoch]

havent gone after it yet, not sure if i care that much about it lol

really dont wanna hate life any more than current

[hard goblet]

I'd recommend your strategy aim for restarting the smelter at... Metalfab 36? Not the cooling rods one. The extraction sequence there is a long hallway with endlessly spawning poxwalkers. Unlike other maps that may spawn elites or no trash mobs.

[austere epoch]

if they introduce private matches, you think we will be able to progress penances within?

[hard goblet]

And I tried the cheese method today too, it did not work for me. Or at the very least, the ammo I got from killing elites counted against my completion.

[royal rock]

i noticed that some ppl have buffs and stuff here . why isnt mine showin ?

[austere epoch]

some of the bot controlled rejects are pretty damn BA imo

thats a good question. idk what buff that even is

[hard goblet]

I feel like that'd be a boon to the playerbase, but even then I'm not sure if they'll be of much help for most penances.

[hard goblet]

That's the coherency buff icon. It adds digits like 2, 3, or 4 based on how many other people are in coherency with you.

[mystic drum]

Yeah im going for the penance, just want some opinions on the revolver while im at it

[austere epoch]

@mystic drum the opinion is, revolver good for penance, but revolver bad for everything else

[hard goblet]

Slow. Not enough damage for its limited ammo capacity. A tear inducing reload.

[mystic drum]

Sounds like my experience

[hard goblet]

Pros are... I guess, it's accurate and has high stagger. Has a headshot bonus of some sort.

[paper hornet]

Revolver good if you like admiring staged reloads

[austere epoch]

i imagine headshots with the revolver would quite satisfying however

[hard goblet]

I do want to thank whoever animated the revolver though.

That reload animation has more detail put into it than most.

[mystic drum]

Its too based of a gun to stay shit

Rotund fish pls

[gusty yew]

Question, I live in Oceania which lfg chat would I use?

[hard goblet]

If they'd just fix the bug that happens with it doing a full reload if you volley fire with 1 in the chamber, it'd be perfect.

[mystic drum]

Should probably get a bit deeper ammo pool as well

[hard goblet]

^

It should have more ammo than the bolter at least in my opinion.

[mystic drum]

Otherwise its high damage and good handling could give it a niche

[hard goblet]

All side arms need to have something going for them.

[austere epoch]

at least a faster reload during volley would be nice

[raw sage]

I'm still on the fence as to whether I like the voidstrike staff or not

the instant-charge secondary attack is nice

but at the same time it feels kinda weak?

[tiny granite]

Every time I see revolver in game like this, I'm thinking about revolver in Borderland a lot

• 6 slots cylinder
• can hold 11 bullets in magazine
  

[hidden ore]

good day fellow convicts, can anyone explain to me the difference in Appearance between Dregs and Scabs as im kinda getting them mixed up, i have 2 weekly objectives to kill one group with melee and the other with ranged.

[edgy mural]

Dregs = tan coloured no lights

Scabs = green night vision goggles

Is how I envision it

[ocean flower]

scabs almost always have more armor, too

scab heavy grunt has makeshift plate armor, dreg heavy grunt has a helmet and cloth

[rich smelt]

When hammer upgrade will be fixed? Do we know something about this?

[ocean flower]

scab rager is in full plate, dreg rager is almost naked

dreg gunner is lightly armored, scab gunner heavily armored

[small bobcat]

what are the best weapons to kill bosses ?

[ocean flower]

the undisputed champion is a recon lasgun with infernus on a crit-built veteran

[small bobcat]

weapon not weapon on a class

[ocean flower]

other than that, i'd say bolter and thunder hammer follow up, followed by flamer

[small bobcat]

what about for psyker ?

[ocean flower]

i haven't tested it, but i'd guess force sword and/or purgatus staff

[small bobcat]

force sword over chainsaw?

[ocean flower]

i'm not sure if soulflame builds up identically to regular flame or not

[small bobcat]

how come ?

[ocean flower]

force sword is a more single-target focused weapon, i am mostly just assuming that it performs better against single targets. against bosses, i mostly just spam brain burst if i'm psyker

[small bobcat]

doesnt feel like im useful enough if i just BB the boss

[spiral grail]

Guys how do I beat this 10/10 beast of nurgle tactic of simply bringing me to the warp

unbeatable tactic

[austere epoch]

personally, my go to elite melter is a Kantrael MG XII lasgun.

[ocean flower]

kantreal xii is my go-to on veteran. on psyker and zealot, i prefer a staff and the flamer, respectively

bolter is fantastic at melting anything you point it at, if you can spare the ammo, so it's great for bosses

and flamer builds up a lot of dot damage if you can afford to hold your fire on a single target

without needing to like, aim

[ancient birch]

Could someone tell me why the trapper doesn't die in 1 hit from charged force sword despite having much much less hp than for instance flamers (who do die in 1 hit)? He doesn't have armor, so does he have like some kind of passive damage reduction or what?

Same for dreg gunner actually, the charged force sword deals so much less damage to them than to for instance armored elites

[ocean flower]

are you sure your testing is consistent? ie, bodyshotting/headshotting both targets?

[covert thistle]

I’m starting to think my Deadeye Penance is forever bugged at 4/5. I’m not considered a sharpshooter, but I KNOW how to land my hits in the weak points AND kill them.

[ocean flower]

doing some brief testing of my own: it looks like the trapper has a very strong melee damage resistance

[naive flame]

Right, so what do i do about Bursters and dogs? I've played for like 100 hours now just to make sure i'm not just bitching due to inexperience.

Bursters seem to just be guaranteed damage. So much of this game is hallways that much of the time you just can;t get a line of sight until they are on your head and exploding. The only counter i've found is psyker's ult that knocks them back, but only if you use it at max range. I've wiped many heresy level matches just because 3 of those guys spawn when we're controlling a horde and nuke us sequentially.

And dogs. Sure you can dodge them if they charge straight at you, but they never do. They take weird physics-breaking routes (sometimes going out of bounds) and then circle you at mach 2 before auto-downing you. What's the strat?

[ocean flower]

with regular chainsword hits, i'm doing a third of the damage i do with my chainsword against the trapper as i do against other targets

[ancient birch]

Ye it's so weird, why is TRAPPER of all people resistant to melee? He's just wearing rags

Also, why is force sword counted as melee damage and not "true" damage like brainburst? Cmon...

[ocean flower]

i imagine it's because they want to encourage your allies to shoot him rather than encouraging people to hit him with an axe

dogs are the opposite, they take massive melee damage and very little ranged

[ancient birch]

Are you a vet by any chance? Can you see if you can clap him with a force sword? My vet's at lvl 3 😛

[ocean flower]

sure thing, i've been no-lifing a bit so i've got most classes high level

preferred difficulty?

[ancient birch]

4

Upside is I discovered that alt fire of las pistol is just a force push 😮

[ocean flower]

bursters have a fer options. lightning staff stuns them, they take forever to get up if they fall over, you can tag them and hope that someone shoots them (or do it yourself)

or, if you have to deal with it alone, you can shove them and dodge backwards

time it right and you'll be out of the blast radius. if the server lags, you eat a burster to the face

[ancient birch]

You wait till he jumps on you and while in mid air you shove him and dodge backwards. Works most of the time but sometimes mysteriously doesn't 😮

[bitter spire]

just push them and they explode far enough away that u dont take damage

[ocean flower]

yeah sometimes it seems like they just have shove immunity

ah shit my vet is not rank 30, can't test in the psykanium

forgot that they did that

[ancient birch]

I bet they can kill in in like 1 slash

[solar turret]

Anyone else having issues with the cliffhanger penance?

I've pushed like 40 people off into the Molten iron in the manufactorum level and it doesn't count

[ocean flower]

pox hounds i have poor luck with. ideally you can dodge or shove them, but most often i just ping it and either it hops on a teammate (ez kill) or it hops on me and my teammates take a half an hour or so to realize what's happened and rescue me

[hard goblet]

Doesn't it have to be all at once?

[solar turret]

That's what I thought originally but I've done 6 at some point

[naive flame]

Thanks for the input, i'm gonna go do that testing with the burster myself

[solar turret]

So I thought it was in total

[ocean flower]

nope, it's all at once (the last has to fall within 2 seconds of the first)

[hollow island]

On lower difficulty the psyker ult apparently kills things which can prevent the environmental kill

[ocean flower]

the tracker is just noting your best attempt

[onyx ore]

Depending on your class, Veterans are ideal for the best when it comes to taking out threats before they can get close. Veteran's Volly fire is ideal to locate threat and warn team about the direction. At the same time, Have someone close to you in case you miss or it zig zags enough to avoid getting hit

[pallid echo]

is this worth buying as a veteran?

[naive flame]

Looks like a beast if you keep hitting your headshots. Tank las teams forever if it negates flinch

[onyx ore]

It's not bad to be fair, Although I can see better weapons with stats/perks than this. So honeslty, I would skip.

[solar turret]

Alright, thanks

[pallid echo]

What blessing/perks should i be going for?

[ocean flower]

no way in Hel a veteran actually manages to shoot a pox hound to death before it's on someone. maybe if they're using a bolter

the best tool against the hounds is a psyker

on lower difficulties: one bb pops em. on higher difficulties: surge stuns them

[tidal hazel]

Anyone know If all autoguns have a chance for collateral or penetration?

[onyx ore]

Its not that hard.... When you hear the howl (Thats when they spawn). If you listen to the footsteps depending on your location. You can target them before they can get close. Or if you're uncertain, Use Volleyfire (Wallhacks activate) and you'll should see the pathway for where the hound is approaching

[austere epoch]

@ocean flower i frequently do actually

[tidal hazel]

And what does Power even mean? Some attributes affect it apparently?

[austere epoch]

i think power is spread across all, but im not positive of that

[onyx ore]

Literally, anyone can take out a hound before they get close, depending on the situation.

[ocean flower]

oh yeah, the vet can find the hound very easily. actually shooting it, though? to death? while it's hopping and teleporting and lagsliding around? i struggle to believe it

[austere epoch]

i mean, if you can aim its very possible

[ocean flower]

through the Emperor's grace all things are possible i suppose

[past shale]

so bassicly this is the math

[austere epoch]

lucky for us the emperor protects

[onyx ore]

If you can't aim, Then you'll struggle. Although depending on difficulty. You can easily use a auto lasgun. Pox hounds have no armour and can be shut down quite effectly if aim is a problem. For me? no problem. aim and delete heretic

[naive flame]

I mean i don;t think many people's aim practice prepares them for an entity that at any time can jump 300 meters up into the sky instantly.

[tidal hazel]

The best is when it pops out of door behind 15 poxwalkers and pounces you through the wall of meat bullet sponges blocking your killshots

[onyx ore]

wHaT?

[ocean flower]

there's video of it on the new mission type, it's hilarious

[naive flame]

You've not seen the dogs fly? it happens every 5th game or so for me. They just go UP, into the stratosphere.

[lunar ferry]

you can force dogs to fly by sliding into them as they're pouncing on you

you turn into a ramp

[austere epoch]

flying pox hounds have been a problem for myself as well

[rustic turtle]

Had a doggo do a 360 around a teammate, only to pounce on a different one.

[lapis raven]

you can push hounds too yeah

there's a fair few ways to deal with 'em

[onyx ore]

I've never seen that happen. Usally I just hear dogs spawn, Then I use focus fire to delete it immediately. I think I literally have no problems with dealing with hounds to noticing them able to get away and fly like superdog.

[austere epoch]

getting them on the attack is easier for me, having to chase them down through a heretic meat wall is an annoyance

[ocean flower]

ideally you can shove or melee hounds pretty effectively, but in my experience where they end up after you do so is entirely unpredictable. maybe they stop and slide back a bit, maybe they hurl themselves 10 meters to the side, Nurgle only knows

[naive flame]

I just don;t think janky animations and bad pathfinding should be part of their challenge. At that point you;re fighting the game, not the dog.

[north wolf]

I hit 30 on my psyker and now I really want to ||level a zealot||.

[ocean flower]

zealot is great fun

[north wolf]

I heard there's a great build where you take like 90% less shield damage. Seems fun.

[ocean flower]

i see the Emperor is protecting some of us a little more than others

[onyx ore]

Honestly, I've had no realy major issues with Veteran when it comes to understanding their main role and weapons. I think I'm going to play as an Ogryn on release because not enough people want to play them. You heretics

[lapis raven]

when you get it, use the Rumbler

the projectile is massive and you do a big chunk of damage

and then they explode

[north wolf]

I'm not sure how necessary veteran is. Seems like a psyker can fulfill most of their roles.

[ocean flower]

vet and psyker roles pretty heavily overlap

[naive flame]

Veteran can do it faster, if he's good. BB takes a while to charge and a good vet with a bolter can take heads off 5 elites in as many seconds

[austere epoch]

^^

[ionic wigeon]

Good for you. I saw vets 15-30 levels mag dumping every single thing they saw with autogun and running out of ammo in 3 mins into the map.

[ocean flower]

vet is also better at dealing with regular dudes with rifles

more toughness

[onyx ore]

Lasgun Auto or Normal Autogun?

[ocean flower]

more gun choice

[austere epoch]

i hate autoguns.

[ionic wigeon]

normal

[tidal hazel]

This is why the semi auto autogun is a big brain gun

[austere epoch]

much prefere the single pew pew

[tidal hazel]

Being able to add clear, snipe and also mag dump a charging mutie 10 meters away?

Sublime

[ocean flower]

how does it stack up against the mk xii?

and does it have a flashlight?

[naive flame]

But in return you take an age of the earth to reload

[ionic wigeon]

Like dude jump in front of the crusher and dump 2 mags from autogun in him

[austere epoch]

only a bolter can compare to the sheer awesomeness that is the MK VII

[naive flame]

I don;t know, Plasma is pretty awesome. Just a shame it's terrible.

[tidal hazel]

Ah. They dunno that Carapace armour makes 80 damage shots becomes 10 damage shots lol

[summer mauve]

10 is a bit generous

[tidal hazel]

Crits!

[austere epoch]

just use a chain axe 😛

[onyx ore]

Then they're shit. Autoguns are incredibly bad for Veterans. You main point is take out targets before they can be a threat. If you're up against a sniper in heresy and using that, You're going to struggle (Unless it's right in front of you). You're constantly firing from the hip. and isn't effective against Armoured units so you're doing little to no damage. At least with the auto lagun, You can aim down the sights and be more accurate with it. With especiall it's very low recoil. Its decent to use against in long range combat. Although you're going to struggle with armoured targets, So you better have a weapons like Power sword or Chainsword for armoured targets for when they get close. Auto guns, Never for veteran. Lasgun, Yes.

[ionic wigeon]

lol tell them not me

[onyx ore]

I can tell you as well, How to get the Overwatch Achievment easily properly 😛

[ionic wigeon]

Bruh f that penances bullshit

[summer mauve]

autoguns are a neat little choice for chargers and dogs but probably still beaten out by brown lasgun

[naive flame]

I'll be thanking my lucky stars i got that via the bug forever, because fuck that penance.

[austere epoch]

this penance has been evading me as well

[naive flame]

Then again, fuck most of the penances really.

[onyx ore]

It's challenging because players who do it with any map without understanding the map's spawn location and the weapons they bring. Of course you'll struggle.

You don't need to be having you melee weapon up non stop and going in circles trying to avoid getting hit from behind. You still need to use your regular gun

[ionic wigeon]

Why are you talking to me about this? I'm not even trying to do them

[austere epoch]

youve been chosen wolf. just sit and smile

[onyx ore]

I teach everyone in the name of the god emperor. Don't be a heretic

[tidal hazel]

I got it with the Vraks VII lmao

Head clicking adventure

But the heavy hitting Kantrael is soooo good too

It's funni when you can three shot a Mutant no matter the range when focus fire is active.

[ionic wigeon]

I shoot heretics with my lasgun that's enough for me

[rigid wasp]

What primary traits are the best for curios? I am running 3 1+ to wounds.

[naive flame]

If you pick the anti-shooter level 30 talent for Vet, do shooters then count for the 5 headshots in a row penance?

[raw sage]

Other psyker mains - does your voidstaff feel useless on T4+ compared to the zap utility of lightning?

[drowsy olive]

Do Grenades count as a Ranged weapon?

[onyx ore]

The Best Mission for getting the Overwatch is mainly the Assinsation Mission. The same map where you pass through sewers. The same map/mission from the previous Beta. That's your best one. The thing is, Anyone who picks missions where you constantly have to fight hordes in multiple angles and directions, you're going to fail. No matter great you are, Theres plenty of doors for them to run out and say hello. What makes that mission and map so much better is the little angles you can cover and when you reach the boss, Stay in the elevator and shoot the boss or hordes when they go the boss where you teammates are hitting him

[ionic wigeon]

I mean penance req 5 elites no? Even if they marked they still not elites

[naive flame]

Nah it requires 5 'priority targets'. Which shooters may become if you pick that talent, because they get highlighted

[drowsy olive]

The Key wording of the Penance is 'Weak spot hit'

[turbid dock]

voidstaff for hordes, use forcesword to control elites, push attack can floor anything except bulwarks/mutants

[wooden tide]

Zap stun is just so much better compared to the other options, for horde force sword push helps delay too

[drowsy olive]

It's all I can guess

[raw sage]

Not sure if I have a shit staff maybe but t4+ void feels p useless for hordeclear

[spiral grail]

meh I prefer purgatus stagger and it's amazing for horde clear

barely ever use LMB on staves anyway

since does like 1 damage lol

psyker is very much the king of crowd control with purgatus

[wooden tide]

The chain lightning against 5 elites that suddenly gets a drop on the team helps buy time especially on the random teams

[spiral grail]

just ult and brain burst them all with level 30 feat

best of both worlds really

the stagger and horde clear really just makes it hard for me to go back to surge staff after using it

surge is definitely the coolest looking but it has too much downtime for me to enjoy it

[turbid dock]

i feel that randoms can take care of elites fine, if you delete the horde surrounding the elites then its easier for them. If your team has a flamer then you pull out your force sword, flex playstyle based on your composition i guess

[spiral grail]

yes I feel much more like I'm not taking away all our crowd control if someone has a flamer then I'd prob use surge

[turbid dock]

lightning staff suffers in abit in hordes, so i usually use duelling sword with lightning

[spiral grail]

but it's just too good to pass up tbh

[raw sage]

Purgatus and surge definitely feel better than any of the other staff

[spiral grail]

I like void strike but aiming is cringe

yeah agreed

[raw sage]

Oh god yeah void staff aiming

If they're running at you, great

[turbid dock]

void strike is great when you got a long corridor

[spiral grail]

it's either surge of purgatus for me but usually purgatus because I prefer the stagger/horde clear

[raw sage]

If they're running in any direction.. Good luck

The wide open dust maps are the worst for void

[spiral grail]

though I am just blue sienna now

[turbid dock]

i just aim at my teammates flanks, works kinda well but you cant really frontline with a voidstrike

you have basically infinite range so you wouldn't need to frontline

[ionic wigeon]

Do flame staff and flamer have same performance?

[turbid dock]

i find that purgatus doesn't push away poxbursters like the flamer does

[arctic plover]

anyone else getting absolute abysmal performance this evening with the worst server connections and dysync

wasnt like this 12 hours ago

[wooden tide]

Depends on your roll if it all goes into burn damage or direct damage on the weapon, haven't seen one where both are high unless it's my luck

[eager zenith]

Do you guys get any emperors gifts on lvl 30 ? I didnt get any emperors gifts and i did over 70 missions after lvl 30.

[abstract falcon]

Seems good on paper, but not sure about the actual viability 🤔

[arctic plover]

yes and yes

bleed right now is good.

and you got the % damage on elites

[austere epoch]

i thought bleed was bugged?

[arctic plover]

thats legit a phat roll man. get it

[sullen prism]

are investigation and espionage just not in the game right now or am I missing something? i need both on malice to get my second level of the zealot mask

[turbid dock]

just swipe some ogryns in meat grinder and watch them melt

[arctic plover]

unless its bugged for our benefit Ive only seen it slap

[abstract falcon]

According to the patch notes they fixed something with the bleeds

[arctic plover]

well it still feels great right now, not busted or nothing but def worth it. you have both a bleed proc and damage on bleed

[abstract falcon]

I think the emperors gift is a special icon on the map

[arctic plover]

will be good for fast horde clear while maintaining really good mobility.

[abstract falcon]

Like a green "matrix" like box next to the mission

[abstract falcon]

Roger that. I'll give it a spin

[austere epoch]

THATS what that box is? i thought it was just a texture glitch

[eager zenith]

that is just a terminal design isnt it ?

[abstract falcon]

Currently there's no mission with the box so cannot send an image

[bleak maple]

now i'm confused wat weapon stats to get for my lvl 30 vet bolter

is this good

[small bobcat]

is the boss a "flak" armor enemy ?

[eager zenith]

@abstract falcon Iam pretty sure i did almost all missions. And no emperors gift what so ever. I can see ppl saying they did get legendary stuff from it, but i cant tell if its true or not

[bleak maple]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[abstract falcon]

Gotten 2 legendary curios from the gifts 😛

[bleak maple]

i got on day 2

[small bobcat]

a simple yes or no would have been enough 🙂

[bleak maple]

all emenies have different armor types , check link

[small bobcat]

i just asked about flak and the boss tho

[eager zenith]

I thought it might be difficulty thing, the harder the better rewards or more often, but i guess its not.

[waxen hemlock]

Very, i got the parts to make a weapon like that, just waiting for the rest of the crafting options

Punching also adds bleed

[dusky aspen]

Is espionage up finally?

[abstract falcon]

Some people theorize that you get them from quickplay

[turbid dock]

i got on my vet, i wish we can share them between all characters though..

[eager zenith]

Thats actually a good point, i will try that.

[abstract falcon]

ikr

[abstract falcon]

Sounds like some 80s-90s WWE with razors in your hands 😄

[abstract falcon]

This green box

On the right side

Not sure though

[naive flame]

Looks like an Emperor's tarot card, could be right.

[arctic plover]

Everyone who can see if we can confirm this.

[ionic wigeon]

I played qp for 30h got around 10 gifts in total from 2-4 difficulties. Most of them was grey trash. Last was leg curio ilvl ~100 from malice (I think).

[eager zenith]

all after lvl 30 ?

[eager zenith]

yea i figured, but i think thats just a terminal design, dunno

[ionic wigeon]

Only leg gift was after lvl 30

[shut crown]

anyone knows the real difference between elites and specialists?

[shut crown]

the damage is not that high and the perks leave a lot to be desired

[eager zenith]

interesting, i cant get any gifts after 30 :/ and thats 70+ missions we are talking..

[spiral goblet]

That's bad luck tbh

[turbid dock]

oh for real? will keep note of that

[turbid dock]

specialists (make a sound cue when spawning in) - poxburster/mutant/hound/trapper/flamer/bomber

[rigid wasp]

A friend of mine told me they consecrated a weapon and it ended up weaker. Has anyone else experienced this / should I avoid consecrating past a certain item level?

[eager zenith]

great 😄

[arctic kelp]

are the espionage missions just rare or something?

[rich smelt]

When hammer upgrade will be fixed? Do we know something about this?

[boreal quarry]

Think they took it off rotation again, one I'm waiting for as well

[arctic kelp]

yeah I just need one malice+ of it, good god

[abstract falcon]

If only this worked on staff r-click

[boreal quarry]

Depends if you like exloding or not ::)

[inner steeple]

Are weeklies not working for everyone or just me?

[eager zenith]

dunno, i have 4 hammers ready to upgrade, anoying

[burnt pendant]

Damn, I want this. Not just on staves, either.

[burnt pendant]

What does "not working" mean?

[tired coyote]

I Need Help Guys, I Can't decide which is better for zealot Thunderhammer or evisirator?

[inner steeple]

Complete a missions. Still 0/25

[rich smelt]

I have one and not sure if worth haha

[faint folio]

bad question but which staff is the electricity one? what's it look l ike

[boreal quarry]

Surge

[faint folio]

sick ty

[bleak maple]

u mean perks are bad? wat perks should i look out for?

[shut crown]

Rending is a great blessing

[shut crown]

then depending on what you want, dmg vs elites/carapace/flak/specialists is good

[tired coyote]

which do u guys think is better for zealot Thunderhammer or evisirator?

[inner steeple]

Eviscerator by a mile.

[burnt pendant]

Assuming the question is serious:
As Guihelbie said above, specialists usually should make a sound cue when spawning.
Design-wise, Specialists usually break up a situation, either in the form of disablers that can take a player out of the fight, or Area of Effect attacks that force the party to move.
Elites are just stronger enemies (like the shotgunners) which are often really good at what they do - see gunners just firing way more than regular enemies.
Patrols can also contain Elites, but Specials should be on their own.

[dire basalt]

Anyone know why I can't upgrade my thunder hammer at the gunsmith? I have all the mats it just keeps saying unable to perform action

[boreal quarry]

Apparently a bug regarding Thunder hammers

[shut crown]

so things that just deal damage are elites

[tired coyote]

thx, i was hoping for some feedback and the thunderhammer is bugged for upgrades at the moment

[rigid wasp]

Has anyone here completed the "Don't Stop Me Now!" penance for the Ogryn? Requires that you bull rush for 75 metres in 25 seconds, and so far I have no idea how to ever reach that distance even with the level 30 perk...

[faint folio]

fall off somewhere tall

[rugged wigeon]

Decent roll?

[spice plank]

any ping-able enemy that doesn't have a specific sound cue are elites

[rigid wasp]

Not good enough, sadly. The max distance is 24 metres with the perk, and falling off of the highest spot in Darktide will give you another 15 metres ontop of that. Nowhere near 75 total.

[tired coyote]

i already got that done with my lvl 11 ogryn just fall off somewhere

[rigid wasp]

Did you fall through the map? Again, tallest fall in the game is 15 metres, nowhere near enough to reach the 75 metres

[tired coyote]

nah what happened was i rushed at a enemy then had a long fall after rushing for a full 40 Meters

[rigid wasp]

you can't charge 40 metres, even with the perk your max distance charge is 24

[tired coyote]

must have been the fall then

[thin ivy]

anyone got advice on the "just a flesh wound" penances or be able to provide help

[tired coyote]

i was at max rush when i fell

[crimson dagger]

swear i crash more on heresy and above levels

[rigid wasp]

get down to 1 health (or as close as you can get) then just hang around and don't die for six-eight minutes, then die and end the mission

[celest lodge]

So I know I've done all 7 missions at least 3 times on Malice for Vantage Point (2) and I still only show 5/7.. Is this a known issue and is there a work around?

[golden hill]

Did any of you guys try the loot lottery for weekly currency? Is it bad-bad?

[rigid wasp]

it's a bit iffy, but if you just get really low health and then go AFK with a team to cover you, you'll have it in no time

[rigid wasp]

It's horrible, tried it three times and got 1 blue and 2 greens

[thin ivy]

ty ty, all i need is a team now.

[golden hill]

Thanks, I was tempted, but I guess I'll be just hoarding until I see a god roll or something

[lone blaze]

How does one burst down/kill daemonhosts? They seem to be immunity to bullets and swords. With huge hp pools that my teams cannot burst down. What am I missing?

[rigid wasp]

that's definitely the best option IMO, @golden hill

[mystic drum]

What is the preferred mark of recon lasgun?

[hollow slate]

What level is your team?

[tired coyote]

question do you get anything for discarding weapons? like how the scrap mechanic works in vt2?

[lone blaze]

10~20 uprising. Some times gotg lvl 30 pugs

[spice plank]

you only get money for now

but chances are on release it's still gonna be the same

since you get crafting materials through in-game pick ups

[golden hill]

What's your opinion on this, guys? Is impact = chance to stagger?

[shut crown]

mehhh

[golden hill]

(man, I wish we really had an in-game glossary/manual)

[shut crown]

could be better

[tired coyote]

What's best melee for veteran and psyker?

[golden hill]

power sword, but it looks like everyone expects it to get nerfed soon

[shut crown]

power sword for vet, force sword for psykers

[tired coyote]

is force sword really good at high levels? i only got low lvl ones at the moment and the are pretty meh overall

[mystic drum]

If you dont have access to PS regular catachan sword mk1 is good

[tired coyote]

does force sword get better?

[spice plank]

horde clear ain't great but single target is unmatched

[tired coyote]

ah so whats good for horde clear for psyker melee and for vet horde clear too

[bleak maple]

Should i buy this autogun? premium currency

[golden hill]

still power sword for vet, it's horde clear is just asinine

[vagrant raven]

Voidstrike + Dueling Sword is my go to for Psyker. For Vet its Power Sword all the way baby. Just scything through any horde like its wheat before a scythe

[placid crow]

hello everyone! Guys, has anyone completed the sniper achievement "long pass" (kill 3 enemies with a grenade, so that it would not bounce). If anyone has completed it can you help please

[shut crown]

personally i despise MK VIII autoguns

[burnt pendant]

It's unreasonably tough, supposedly, psykers deal more damage to it, but I haven't made that experience. The idea is to circumvent them whenever possible - they usually spawn in areas where you could go around, or take another path altogether.

[golden hill]

That's not great and has a somewhat low of an ammo roll, I'd pass personally

[bleak maple]

long throw bomb , far enemy groups

[vagrant raven]

Don't aim the grenade, just tap M1 while leaning slightly backwards. Test it out in the Psykanium until you find the sweet spot

[golden hill]

look up some videos on youtube. Your best hope is to find an unalerted horde in the wild and chunk nades at it

I did mine by accident lol

[shut crown]

You either have a sharpshooter with a plasma gun, or a Zealot with a Thunder hammer or eviscerator. Those two will DPS check your daemonhost faster than you can say "Praise the Emperor"

[shut crown]

based

[eager zenith]

Maybe its worth to wait till full realease, its just 2 more days, and we might have access to other crafting stuff

[burnt pendant]

As for Psyker melee:
I'm personally quite happy with the cleave value on it, so spaming light attacks at head height usually deals with pox walkers quite well. The weapon has a mad push for when you need space.
And yes, single target is superb. Most elites need 1 or 2 charged attacks, and the regular heavy is a nice overhead rotation. Also, you can get a damage bonus from feats.

[golden hill]

I got at least 3 or 4 penances by accident, I had everything ready for the helmet besides the "do 25 missions" at one point

[shut crown]

same

[silent dome]

hope espionage and investigation come back

[placid crow]

well then it's worth hoping only for luck but everything is exactly thanks to everyone

[silent dome]

I want my cool mask for veteran

[shut crown]

i got a few penances without even noticing as a Zealot. Proceeded to spend half a day trying to get one, only to realise at the end of the day that i accidentally got it a few days back

[grand coral]

Anyone for the cliffhanger Penance?
Psyker lv 30, I can help you with any Penance you want

[eager zenith]

they should yea !

[burnt pendant]

Those mods would do well on a club, I think. Still a good clear weapon - just maybe not worth the mission currency.

[slim walrus]

Im down

[grand coral]

I think we need to be full team to farm Penances

[burnt pendant]

Ahh, cliffhanger. It could be done easily if only we could create solo lobbies. The chasm station start has that nice side-bridge, usually with a group of pox in front of it. But someone always kills them first.

[slim walrus]

My psy is lvl 10 is that ok?

[grand coral]

yeah

Any two psykers who want to do the cliffhanger?

or not psykers, anyone xD

[slim walrus]

Can my friend join?

[grand coral]

yes

[slim walrus]

@drifting sapphire

[drifting sapphire]

Ye

[grand coral]

Strike team 30

[burnt pendant]

I never noticed how many voice channels there are.

[rigid wasp]

damn cliffhanger penance so hard to do.

[burnt pendant]

It is supposedly balanced around closed beta, when the active had more range and more force.

[shut crown]

its actually quite easy, all you need is an ogryn

[burnt pendant]

Ogryn are a myth.

[dull pier]

Love it

[rigid wasp]

cant find people to help me. its hard in pugs

[golden hill]

that's fucking dirty

jesus

[lone blaze]

@shut crown Thanks

[shut crown]

don't know for what, but you're welcome

[dawn cypress]

can you get missions that aren't spawning on quickplay? I've been trying to do an espionage mission since 8am, it's now 8pm

[shut crown]

brother in christ with which chaos god did you make a pact for this

[burnt pendant]

One day I'll also do the cliffhanger, but I expect it's easiest to just wait until release, hopefully get the option to play solo, then just go to the chasm bridge and do it there.

The mission must be good for that - my first death was on that mission, dangling on a ledge. 😄

[dull pier]

@shut crown Didnt get anything good since lvl 19 and Prayed to the Omnisiah indefinetly, ALMOST skipped it b4 i double checked i saw right and read it right

[shut crown]

yeah man that's a real emperor's gift right there

[dull pier]

11 charged light chain attacks before u need to recharge. Broken AF. Now let the other redditors CRY even more how OP the sword is

[mighty python]

thats sick

[arctic plover]

yeah its one of the more goated perks on that one for sure.

[mighty python]

hopefully i get one

[tired coyote]

Thunder Hammer or Eviscerator.... The Hardest choice any Zealot will ever make.

[dull pier]

Both

U need Thunder for assasinations and Evic for Everyday use

[inner steeple]

Not hard. Thunderhammer is currently unusable. Eviscerator is kinda decent.

[dawn cypress]

In what way is it unusable?

[inner steeple]

In every way'

[dawn cypress]

Translation: I dont have a real answer

[small bobcat]

is there a way to play solo ?

[dawn cypress]

not yet

on release there will be

[small bobcat]

ok good

[dawn cypress]

it'll have a bit more demand on your rig because it's hosted locally and not on the server iirc

[inner steeple]

There is a thread about it on the steam forums. My post is pinned as the answer. Not gonna type a paragraph for you.

[tired coyote]

request link i'd like to read it

just to be sure evis is the better choice

[inner steeple]

The thread does not make a comparison with eviscerator. But you can be certain eviscerator is better in every way. It's a popular opinion.

[onyx knot]

anyone know what Hit Mass means?

[tired coyote]

ok, i am just sad tho i don't have good rolls for evis in the market.. i rarely see it at all i got lucky once and got it and thats it haven't seen it since

[onyx knot]

this i mean

[ocean flower]

Enemies have a certain mass score, and you can only cleave through so much mass score before your weapon stops

[rigid wasp]

yes

[onyx knot]

its all about cleave no dmg increase?

[ocean flower]

Presumably, that perk treats every enemy’s mass score as that of the minimum, enabling Much Cleave

Not as far as I’m aware

[onyx knot]

ok thanks

[dawn cypress]

Hopefully you can get your hands on one, both are fun and have their uses

[tired coyote]

i hope in future you can craft weapons like vt2 because trying to get evis in market is rare for me at least.

[viral rover]

How does melee bleed through work? Do you take less bleed through with higher % toughness or is it the same no matter what?

[ocean flower]

More toughness = less bleed through (minimum 10%)

[dawn cypress]

Hopefully the melee bleed through gets tweaked, if not outright removed

[ocean flower]

I like the combat axe on my zealot, personally. Great dodge range, great moveset for hitting heads, and it one-tap headshots anything that isn’t a special (at least on my current difficulties)

I reserve the flamer for hordes

[dawn cypress]

flamer+hammer is one of my favorite combos so far

[ocean flower]

I want a good purgatus on my psyker so I can see how Discount Flamer works out

[uncut tangle]

Is there a solution to the constant crashes and lag

Because it's been bad, like really bad for the past few days

[dawn cypress]

pray

and also update drivers if you havent in a while

other than that..... not so much at this time

[uncut tangle]

Just updated drivers after someone recommendeded it but hasn't fixed much

Last 4 games have been disconnects at the end

[tired coyote]

lol i wish that was the only thing for me i get pixalation on weapons, lag, stuttering, broken graphic lines in the environment and visual bugs, and my drivers are up to date i use amd tho

[ocean flower]

It sounds like your graphics card isn’t beefy enough? Idk, I’m not a tech priest

[tired coyote]

6800xt?

[uncut tangle]

I'm using a 3080
And my laptop has 2080

Both have had issues but the desktop feels worse, like unplayable

[ocean flower]

I just said I’m not a tech priest, that doesn’t mean cant at me in numbers and letters

[dull pier]

This beauty is what i want

Long-Las

[oak palm]

Where are the lights out missions? I havent seen one in hours TF

They are the best

[uncut tangle]

Just pop a scope on the kregg Las and we good to go

[tired coyote]

same

[uncut tangle]

Then again I wish I could pop a scope on a bolter but that's heresy

[dull pier]

@uncut tangle Not the same lol, Long-Las has overcharged 20 rounder mag with hyper charged shots, needs to cool off after a shot

I mean u saw what snipers do to ya

[strong parrot]

nope, nothing's been fixed so far unfortunately 😦

[tired coyote]

hopefully they fix pixelation too

[rugged wigeon]

Guys, ogryn shovel or club and why?

[uncut tangle]

As much as I wanna keep playing, might just take a break for a few days. Kinda sucks when you get to the end of a mission, DC and lose everything

The toilet shovel was more fun but both were kinda the same

[dawn cypress]

I feel you pain lost a few penances that way

[golden hill]

I'm still only level 26 because of that at 47 hours I feel you, man

[restive tulip]

I think shovel more versatile but club really lets you clobber armored targets with knockdowns

[uncut tangle]

85 hrs clocked

[sonic remnant]

Hello, do I understand correctly that the inventory is separate for all characters?

[golden hill]

Yup, you do

[uncut tangle]

Was gonna max my 3rd but man it's frustrating

[golden hill]

let's hope there's a release day patch that'll fix most of the nasty stuff

[full loom]

There's no way to edit your voice after making a character is there?

[uncut tangle]

Nope

[golden hill]

I'm pretty happy with last 2 patches in terms of how much they improved stability and performance for me, but there's still a long way to go

[full loom]

Frick 😦

[lucid plover]

which one is better for vet?

[uncut tangle]

And I hope they do but it's 3 days to launch, as much as I love the game I'm skeptical

[sonic remnant]

Thanks for the answer. It's a pity, I liked the way it was presented in the last part more. :с

[golden hill]

I vote right

[sour flower]

403

[uncut tangle]

Left

[sour flower]

better stats and perks

[uncut tangle]

But the perk is meh

[golden hill]

yup

[lucid plover]

we do with what we got i am afraid

[golden hill]

yeah, it do be kinda grindy, especially considering the weeklies :/

[restive tulip]

Left, those passives will let you shred ogryn-type enemies, basically the only enemies you need to shoot more than twice with a bolter

[uncut tangle]

@lucid plover still left but what do you want

[sour flower]

"complete 25 missions" 🐴

[lucid plover]

i tested it the one on the left kill all the orgyrns easy, the one of right need full clip

[uncut tangle]

I prefer high damage and dps and don't mind low reload and stab

[golden hill]

literally what I've got this week

[sour flower]

thats like one stage of "through the mud"

alot of these penances and missions need reworks

[lapis lintel]

You only really care about damage, SP and reload imo. And the perks can be changed with the later crafting implementation.

Shattering impact seems like the go-to perk for the boltgun.

[full loom]

One nice thing is; outfits unlocked for 1 class carry over onto new characters of the same class

Just discovered this after making a second Veteran

[uncut tangle]

But why make a new character for the same class

[full loom]

Because voices/interactions

[sour flower]

different build

[golden hill]

it almost feels like due to the game becoming a service game they want to be your "only" game, and honestly that ain't gonna fly for me, that's too grindy and I only have so much time weekly

[sour flower]

like a preset

[uncut tangle]

Different build?

[sour flower]

yeah like i dont have the time and will to complete 25 missions with no actual reward

[full loom]

theyve said they're going to edit how much experience is gained didnt they? make it less grindy to level

[uncut tangle]

Like yeah I kinda hate my vet voice so I can see myself making a new character

[golden hill]

and rerolling costs big money too

and you always need all 5 missions for the additional 1000

frick that

[slow crest]

Does mouse dragging increase the range of your attacks?

[full loom]

I have a level 30 vet with the cadian voice, which is fine, but the Loose Cannon one is far funnier and has more entertainment value...

[sour flower]

cant even buy cosmetics with melk coins anymore

[uncut tangle]

Thankfully most of the 2nd week missions give like 250-500 coins or whatever

[sour flower]

shame.

[slow crest]

Like if you do a charged horizontal slash and dragon the mouse around you to hit more enemies

[rugged wigeon]

This a decent stubber?

[full loom]

ya

[sour flower]

very good

[full loom]

big ammo and high damage

[uncut tangle]

I went cadia and the soldier voice and it's kinda boring

Bought it on myself though by picking as generic as possible

[full loom]

professional or cutthroat?

[uncut tangle]

Professional

[sour flower]

i cant be bothered to make a new character, grinding is awful

[full loom]

loose cannon is frickin fantastic

kerillian but funny

[ocean flower]

The stubber seems like the kind of weapon you want high collateral on, no? Since you’ll be missing half your shots anyways?

[uncut tangle]

I do wish we had a friendly ogryn voice

[steel kraken]

The bardin ogryn voice seems too smart somehow

[full loom]

I have a level 30 vet, level 18 zealot, level 12 ogryn and level 8 psyker, and now another vet at level 2

[uncut tangle]

I picked the Russian one since he's friendly

[sour flower]

yeah

[uncut tangle]

30 vet, 30 preacher, 20 ogryn and 5 psyker

[boreal quarry]

I picked bruiser(?) on Ogryn, I keep calling everyone 'sah' 🙂

missquote 🙂

[sand marlin]

The bodyguard ogryn is pretty friendly

[full loom]

bruiser is the bone'ead one

he's the smartest

[golden hill]

Yeah, both bodyguard and bruiser seem pretty friendly. Bruiser just like krumpin

[uncut tangle]

I like the French psyker voice though, reminds me of repanse de lyon

[boreal quarry]

Bully was just to mean for my tastes

[uncut tangle]

Yea bully sounded great but was mean

[sand marlin]

The interactions between veteran and Ogryn are also pretty cute

[earnest pivot]

I was Just wondering how do the classes compare to eachother in late game? From experience vet seems really strong so Just looking for opinions

[boreal quarry]

They do different things, depends how you rate 'strength'

[uncut tangle]

Psyker feels the weakest from what my friends told me

But vet is the best from my own experience

[earnest pivot]

Yeah im playing psyker aswell and vet can Just kill 4 ogryns before i cast one brain burst

[uncut tangle]

Yup, I can kill about 5-6 specials in a single volly fire, only thing stopping me is my ammo and reload stat on bolter

[golden hill]

good MG XII literally two-shots reapers on malice and heresy, so no surprise there

Crushers though, not so much

[uncut tangle]

The preacher flamer is also superb for those hordes so long as we cover for the range weakness

[ocean flower]

Yeah the flamer is fantastic

[earnest pivot]

The flame Staff on psyker?

[boreal quarry]

heavy flamer on zealot

[uncut tangle]

How is the flamer staff anyways