gameplay-help

[wintry sequoia]

Was struggling a lot

Is it normal ?

[umbral glade]

most of the las gun and a good portion of the auto gun have a flashlight

[coral bronze]

i think he's supposed to be like a witch, so he just kills whoever bothered him and then fucks off

at least i n all my games he did that

[gaunt oracle]

thx again for the help guys!

[honest ice]

what melee seem to be the go to on zealot

[gaunt oracle]

chain sword or hammer

[hard crow]

I like the Chainsword myself

[tough cove]

In our case he killed the first guy and then went for the rest of the team till dead, on malice.
The next 3 times it straight gunned for me.

[signal cipher]

Well try avoiding them lol

[shrewd laurel]

Eviscerator or combat knife, for me it's eviscerator forever

[signal cipher]

I mean did the rest of the team attack it?

[tough cove]

ofcourse lol

[wintry sequoia]

Gonna have to do it tho

[wet bloom]

Just went daemon hunting with some randos and killed 4 daemons

[wide swift]

how does anyone get Friends Will Be Friends

[wet bloom]

fun times

[feral gust]

I joined a game(late) withoout a flashlight - and died twice lost in the tunnels

[signal cipher]

You get friends

[lone otter]

You only have to kill the Mutant while dashing. To be extra sure, hold down your ability button and make sure you're targeting the mutant.

You CANNOT collide with it or it will not count as 'while dashing'. Also be sure not to cancel your dash by inputting left/right/back as that could also mess it up.

[sterile gate]

Can you wind up a heavy attack, dash, and then release mid-dash for the heavy mutant dash kill penitence?

Also whats the preacher melee strat for Demonhosts, because I just encountered one for the first time and it messed.me.up

[slow fog]

Yes. this is how you do it

[sterile gate]

I've been trying all day and I keep barely missing it ;_;

[slow fog]

Ooh a new voidstrike

😢

[willow raven]

Whats the difference in the left click and right hold for Psyker?

[lone otter]

The Mutant does not need to be dashing too. You can wait for it to miss or for it to grab someone else.

[sterile gate]

Had one instance where I went up and tapped it with a light attack figuring I'd just shave off a little hp before doing it and it was the last bit of health it needed to die, which meant if I'd just gone for it, I'd have gotten it too ;_;

[slow fog]

For what?

[signal cipher]

Welp time to try getting cliff hanger 😭

[sterile gate]

For brain burst, the right charges it up and lets you use it instantly with left click when a target appears

While the left click basically locks it on and charges it up

[lone otter]

Got mine by complete coincidence. I just liked bonking things with the charged Thunder Hammer heavy and happened to do the deed while dashing.

[rigid wasp]

this killshot penance is a pain in the ass, even with the shotgun

[desert solstice]

do we have flash missions yet?

[willow raven]

Does the charge do more damage if I hold it?

[old phoenix]

You need 4 friends and a plan.
If a teammate kills an enemy you've hit it fails

[rigid wasp]

I noticed that, several times I was doing fine then a guy dropped dead right as I was shooting :|

[sterile gate]

Pretty sure it needs to be full for it to work at all

[old phoenix]

You need to shoot individual plaguewalkers and leave the specials to the others.
Everything you hit you have to kill or it counts as a miss

[rigid wasp]

Wait really?

[willow raven]

Okay, so after I hold the charge, do I need to left-click, or is it automaticity going off?

[rigid wasp]

I thought as long as you hit it's fine

[tender jungle]

Does anyone know if your game crashing resets your accuracy?

[old phoenix]

A good potential strategy is using the bolt gun against a beast of nurgle

[drowsy lake]

Guys for missions 6/7 does it count places you've gone to or just the mission type? I'm missing something

ALso i've not seen any investigations around?

[tender jungle]

Mission type

Investigation might not be in todays rotation

[old phoenix]

Mission type, willing to bet its the insert fake Intel into enemy systems mission

[clever hare]

what is even the point of fighting demonhosts they dont drop anything or do anything for you they are just annoying and idiotic

[old phoenix]

I saw it once today at the wrong difficulty for me

[drowsy lake]

I just did espionage, not that and the desert mission is not it. Did bring me 6/7 though

[sterile gate]

Hold the charge, then left click to fire it

[old phoenix]

She's the witch from left 4 dead, you're supposed to avoid her and if you don't she's taking her pound of flesh

[clever hare]

yeah but it gets put in a passage way you have to go through fairly often

[old phoenix]

Have you done repair? That was one I was missing

[clever hare]

and unlike the witch you cant sneak around it

[unborn briar]

What do you do against the Deamonhost I've just died twice to it because it targets me and I just die.

[drowsy lake]

That's the one we killed first daemonhost on

[patent sapphire]

if it targets you you have to depend on your teammates to kill it quickly, only thing you have time to do is block and doge

[old phoenix]

You can sneak around but I know what you mean, 2 boltguns are basically required to kill her on lvl3

[wet bloom]

No way

[livid marsh]

yup, survive as long as you can to give teammates time to dps it

[brittle marsh]

I found it just targets one person, That person just sits blocking while everyone else hits it.. Only seems to change target if it kills.

[uncut tangle]

Anyone else struggling to find players for missions

[brittle marsh]

Kinda boring boss tbh

[wet bloom]

I just hunted 4 in one match on lvl 3 with randos, las guns at the most

[drowsy lake]

Mini-boss. It's bloody awesome and terrifying considering what they are

[sterile gate]

YESSS

I GOT IT

[old phoenix]

I've been spraying the thing with a 400+ recon las and accomplishing something between fuck and all

[sterile gate]

It was actually a really bad mission and I was about to quit out of it, lol, said screw it I'll stick it out and got it 5 seconds later XD

[brittle marsh]

Im sure lorewise it might be but gameplaywise idk I dont enjoy just holding rmb while everyone else sits clicking lmb

[signal cipher]

Well have you tried taking the long way around, but hey if you want things like the bolter to be lore accurate you have to allow demons to be lore accurate to

Don't like it start begging for bolter nerfs as well

[clever hare]

i just feel like it should be like vermintide where killing bosses actually has rewards

[wet bloom]

Ok and ive taken it out fine

[cerulean pelican]

are you supposed to get the demonhost twice in a level?

[livid marsh]

gotten it 3 times before

[old phoenix]

Most I've seen claimed is 4 in 1 level

[cerulean pelican]

its harder than the actual assassination target lol

[clever hare]

there is no long way around on some of them one i saw was in the middle of a hallway with no way around it

[subtle basalt]

So, how do you guys handle the new big bad spooper? Leveling a preacher and fought him for the first time and I tickle him haha

[queen moth]

is esiponage in the mission cycle?

[livid marsh]

yeah, twice it has spawned in the same spot on a walkway you have to go through

[signal cipher]

I've always found away around, skill issue I guess

[old phoenix]

So far, scream and die

[wet bloom]

Gotten it 4 times when me and some randoms were hunting them

[echo sorrel]

What's a good set up for curios for vet

[cerulean pelican]

hunting them?

[wet bloom]

Yeah we were looking for them on purpose

so we could kill them

[patent sapphire]

1900 melkcoin, it's the first power sword i've seen drop ever in the game, right now i'm using the single target damage axe as melee, do i buy?

[livid marsh]

oh, I think it once spawned out of bounds

[cerulean pelican]

How do you find them on purpose? I thought they were just regular bosses?

Is there a reason to do that?

[wet bloom]

they are a new enemy type

[wet bloom]

fun

[livid marsh]

on the assassinations mission going to the prison, the part where you have to wait for the door to open going up the spiral staircase you could hear it but we couldnt find it

[echo sorrel]

For the achievements

[gilded flare]

is there a way to see which missions i've completed previously and on what difficulity?

[echo sorrel]

I 100% had that too on that mission

[wet bloom]

they make a crying sound so you can find them

[crimson stag]

Like this

[wet bloom]

idk why everyones saying they are so hard, at one point it was just me as a vet and one of our priests and we still killed it

[crimson stag]

People don't realize its not a race. It literally targets one person and will just chase them forever. Dodge, block, or run until its dead while the other 3 bang on it.

[uncut tangle]

Quite like the desert map, adds some variety to the game

[tender jungle]

Definitely one of my favorite maps so far

[uncut tangle]

I hope we get more maps like that

[tough epoch]

Not even that

literally just

[uncut tangle]

Even that new strike map felt boring since its still give city layout

[tough epoch]

shield-wall

constantly attacks you

let the teammates fill it with lead

[crimson stag]

well yea #gameplay-help message

[tough epoch]

Ogryn Gang simply keeps on winning

[wet bloom]

he sent a video of that already

[serene latch]

it feels like there's 2 different maps

[tough epoch]

Based

the chat was deep so i didnt notice, well that and its 04:00 at night so 💀

[wet bloom]

even without ogryns tho its easy

[tough epoch]

kinda

it entirely depends on the team i think

also the randoms really fuck you over at times when they open up on it

[wet bloom]

I went hunting with randos and got 4 on difficulty 3

[crimson stag]

Yea i wish there was a way to taunt it, but if the boss jumps on someone who doesnt know how to block or dodge, it's GG

[wet bloom]

at one point there was only 2 of us and we killed it with ease

[crimson stag]

best to just melt it while its murdering their soul

[subtle basalt]

Man after playing an ogryn up to 30, it sure feels nice to have a normal as lead sprayer to mow chaos down

[wet bloom]

fr

[old phoenix]

To be fair blocking one got me to level 3 of the blocking penance in about 30 seconds XD

[wet bloom]

pop the headhunting and ahnihilate its health bar

[uncut tangle]

As much as I love the vet, the ogryn dakka is just fantastic

[gaunt oracle]

lasgun hasn't high enough fire rate to deplete its HP bar with 1 use of ur special ability

can u block its attacks? there is definitely no running away once it got close

[bright relic]

Well then. I just wasted so much of my time

[soft wing]

best way to get Cliffhanger? last one I need for hood

[sharp lotus]

any tips for getting the on overwatch penance?

[wet bloom]

camo

[minor axle]

If I leave a mission after completing a penance will it count?

[willow tangle]

What maps spawn Dregs for the 750 kill contract?

[subtle basalt]

You know, sometimes the easy solution is the right one

[lone otter]

Just killed a ||Daemonhost on Malice. Thunder Hammer chunks it, flurry attacks can be blocked with enough stamina.||

[subtle basalt]

Ogryn shield just makes sense

[uncut tangle]

It counts

[unborn briar]

We just got 3 Deamonhosts in the same mission

it is so weird of a monster

[old phoenix]

Most will include them, but relay station will have the most currently

[uncut tangle]

Also little cheese but you can join late for some missions and do them at the end

Did that with the no hit one

[subtle basalt]

Had the same, we killed the first two and barely not the third.
In the first mission we never killed it and it retained its health between each encounter (3)

is it not always popping up?

[vapid kindle]

Does anyone know what all 7 mission types are called? I'm missing one for my penance

[gaunt oracle]

not sure. had it 5 out of 5 missions just now

i'm a bit put off by that

[tender jungle]

I keep trying to get the darn 0 ammo penance for veteran but the other Vets on my team keep restoring ammo

No offense vets it’s not your fault

[slow fog]

Yeah we had 3 DHs in the last mission

Killed two

Dodged one

[sterile gate]

We've had four and dodged all of them xD

[hard crow]

Yes or no on this for the Preacher

[uncut tangle]

Same except I picked up ammo forgetting I was going for the penance

[slow fog]

Seems like they only spawn in darkness

[gaunt oracle]

I suppose its spawn rate and stats need a bit of adjustment

[slow fog]

They are also way overtuned haha

[old phoenix]

Raid, Assassination, Strike, Espionage, Repair, Disruption, Investigation

[subtle basalt]

I mean I wouldn't know, but that looks pretty good

[slow fog]

If you dont have multiple bolters you're screwed

[old phoenix]

Nah they spawn in lit missions too

[sharp lotus]

can you take toughness damage?

[slow fog]

Ah OK

Interesting

[subtle basalt]

Really?!

[signal wharf]

Did they re-enable Espionage for like, an hour, then re-disable it again?

[uncut tangle]

It's no melee hits

[subtle basalt]

Often?! I'm 2/2 atm

[uncut tangle]

So ranged is fine

[sharp lotus]

damm tf thats hard

[slow fog]

I actually hit our third DH with a Brain Burst

[old phoenix]

Yuuuuup
My last game of the night was relay Station, no darkness and we got wiped by one after avoiding the first

[uncut tangle]

I just did the mission normally and asked my friends to wait by the Valkyrie

[slow fog]

It woke it uo

but didnt enrage it

So I think you can hit them once

[uncut tangle]

DC and reconnected and it counts as you not taking damage

[alpine fog]

Bolter can crit

[sharp lotus]

so like alt f4 then joined back?

[uncut tangle]

Yup

[subtle basalt]

I hope they're just forcing spawns like this for testing purposes lol

[tender jungle]

What’s a good weapon to use for the 0 Ammo penance?

[uncut tangle]

Kinda cheating but not really

Shotgun or revolver

Low ammo and easy accuracy

[low cave]

where do i go to report a player? im new here

[old phoenix]

Shotgun or bolt revolver.
You have to kill everything you hit or it fails too

[tender jungle]

For the shotty does every pellet have to hit for it to count or nah?

[tender jungle]

WHAT

HUH

[uncut tangle]

Just one

[subtle basalt]

Wait what really, to the kill thing?

[old phoenix]

Yup

[uncut tangle]

And I don't recall having to kill everything

[subtle basalt]

That's super ass lol

[uncut tangle]

Just hit

[alpine fog]

Actually, they can

Damage numbers are bugged. Crits are shown in white text (even though the damage is increased) if you are too far away from the enemy

[old phoenix]

If a teammate kills it it counts as an assist and thus a miss

[tender jungle]

I’m hoping you’re the correct one lol

No offense Guardsman 24152

[old phoenix]

I hope I'm wrong too

[tranquil grove]

Isnt this literally redundant lol?

[old phoenix]

Just passing on what I've been told

[uncut tangle]

I swear I played like a bit and got it

I don't think I killed a single special except a few maulers and got it

[signal cipher]

You don't need to be hit to be suppressed

[quartz heron]

Anyone know what the max gear is or what the max gear per rarity is

[slow fog]

Nah suppression messes with your arim, having a free clear is nice

[minor flower]

Where the fuck espionage go?

[steady locust]

Is it intended to not be able to upgrade hammers or is it a bug?

[uncut tangle]

@tender jungle plasma gun is also good if you get a low ammo one

[old phoenix]

Assuming the same as vermintide there will be red rarity eventually

[lucid quail]

how do you add a flashlight to your weapons?

[uncut tangle]

Most lasguns and autoguns have them

[tender jungle]

Coolio I’ll keep that in mind

Probably will go with shotty tho cuz the shop has one atm

[lucid quail]

so nothing for the ogryn?

[uncut tangle]

I recommend the smelter mission

[modest harness]

How often does the contract guy's shop refresh items? It has a timer but it seems to refresh more often than it says, like hourly

[steady locust]

nvm, its a bug on their forums

[uncut tangle]

It spawns an infinite number of poxwalkers at the end I believe

[sterile gate]

Is there a way to view what mission types you haven't done?

[feral gust]

The dark missions are .. impossible .. without being armed with a lasgun or autogun.

[old phoenix]

No

[hard goblet]

Sorry, didn't realize you were asking about Melk. Melk's limited acquisitions refresh every 24 hours.

[old phoenix]

I'm gonna mark em down tomorrow to figure it out

[hard goblet]

There is.

Check your Penances -> Missions

It lists all the mission types there.

Ones you haven't done won't have any X/Y runs completed.

[sullen bridge]

I know this is probably a common series of questions, but does anyone know how to unbind keybinds? Has a keybind been set for that in the game yet? If not, do we know if it will be a feature on launch?

[sterile gate]

thanks

[weary sapphire]

So is the veteran level 30 talent that highlights gunners not working?

[wanton estuary]

wth is a flash mission?? :O

[hard goblet]

It's bugged.

[weary sapphire]

It doesn't seem to reset my ult when I kill a gunner

[slow fog]

dont know of a way, but you could set it to something you wont ever press

[uncut tangle]

It's bugged

[old phoenix]

Sadly I'm on the second level of that mission so all of mine have at least 1 completed

[hard goblet]

Likely a limited time mission event that hasn't been implemented yet, given the name.

[uncut tangle]

Do the other two talents work properly?

[hard goblet]

Ah sorry. Thought it was the first run through.

[sullen bridge]

I figured that was the case. I'll have to make due. Though it is annoying lol. Thanks!

[uncut tangle]

Cheers

It still counts for the penance I believe but better to double check

Also is anyone else struggling to find players

I can't find a single player for missions on my vet

[tired crown]

I have been, yeah. If I try to queue for a specific mission I'll sometimes get nobody, if I just do quick match I'm usually fine.

[uncut tangle]

Even for quickplay for ne

[tired crown]

Just queued with a friend and we got 2 others right away, though. So it might be an issue for trying solo?

[uncut tangle]

Doesn't happen with my other characters

[tired crown]

Yeah I've noticed the same thing, only on my vet. Psyker gets teams np

[gray jolt]

hey guys i am unable to equip curio anyone else having this issue

[tired crown]

...usually 3 other psykers.

[uncut tangle]

I had to buy two curio before I could equip one

[tired crown]

Have you tried queueing with a friend?

[uncut tangle]

No, mostly play solo now

[tired crown]

It may be worth submitting a bug report, just so they're aware (though I imagine they already are)

[unborn pilot]

\o/ new warzone conditions without a billiion hours to go

[uncut tangle]

I thought it was because I was level 30 but that wouldn't make since

[tired crown]

Yeah, that's when I noticed it too haha

[uncut tangle]

Out of the last 10 games I ran it with one other person who was also 30 so I think it's a bug

[tired crown]

If you want to try to queue together that might help?

[uncut tangle]

I'll log on later tonight and try

[tender jungle]

How many helmet cosmetics are in so far? Penance-wise that is, I’ve seen the first and second one so far

[modest harness]

Really? It's refreshed like 3 times today alone, I was gonna get an orange combat knife but then it rotated out before I could finish all the contracts. I think it refreshed each time I leveled up, actually...

[scarlet wigeon]

Fellow preachers, What are the emperors greatest blessings for flamers.

[hollow slate]

Just picked this one up

[fickle lintel]

i just bought a orange item and it does less damage than a purple that has way worse stats and perks

[hollow slate]

Hoping to use the crit on bleed trait to really get some insane single target damage

yea that eviscerator was purple and i consecrated it up to 454

[unreal aurora]

what curio perks should I be focusing as a veteran?

[scarlet wigeon]

I sad atleast 1 wound and toughness

[uncut tangle]

Oh nice rolls

[sterile gate]

What level does the eviscerator unlock?

[uncut tangle]

11

[young mulch]

Trauma staff sucks, right? Like, I'm not using it wrong? I figured I'd give it a go at 30 since I saw a decent one

[left heart]

The gear score goes up on 'upgraded' items, but none of the stat bars seem to move. But gear score does seem to inform their overall statbars when buying from the vendor. Is it logical to assume that high stat high score weapons in the vendor are the only ones you should bother upgrading?

[opal cape]

Trauma ain't all that good, feels like surge got nerfed, the other two I haven't really used as of yet

[young mulch]

Voidstrike is fun as hell

it's a cannonball

[opal cape]

Doesn't it have like an explosion or does it just pen

[twilit socket]

Is there guns with something other than ironsights? I forget

[young mulch]

it blows when it hits a wall

[left heart]

I believe infantry lasgun has a reflex

[spice sigil]

New boss is fun, learnt that you need to avoid them very quickly lol

[opal cape]

Good to shoot at the ground or opening shot then I suppose

[uncut tangle]

@left heart the bars do move but it's hard to notice at say 420 and 450

You ideally want specific stats to look for those

[young mulch]

Nah, headshots 100% especially with the trait that reduces peril on weakpoint

[opal cape]

Also for any would be ogryn players:

Get the slab shield, learn the slab shield, love the slab shield. If you use the special ability with it (the shield brace) you can block a daemonhost's full volley for no stamina cost/minimal stamina cost at higher levels

[left heart]

Honestly, I've had psycher staffs with extremely low charge times, and extremely high charge times, and they feel like they charge up in about the same time.

[uncut tangle]

Not too sure about the staffs but the guns and melee can be seen

[autumn berry]

Did anyone think the Demonhoast are harder then the bosses in the game 😛 do anyone know it weak spot?

[left heart]

I've had low damage axes kill fa faster than say, high damage force swords.

[twilit socket]

ah it's lasguns

[sterile gate]

Far as I can tell, you're not actually supposed to fight them

[uncut tangle]

When I was levelling my vet I used the bolter I got at level 20 until I hit 30 due to the stats

[fickle lintel]

i have such a stroke from the item system in this game

[left heart]

I feel like some of these stat bars lie, or have low amount of variation.

[twilit socket]

I killed two daemonhosts in my game. the third got me though because i activated it instead of my team

[uncut tangle]

Had low stability and reload but had massive damage and stopping power.

[autumn berry]

O____O so it is a witch kinda thing

[sterile gate]

100%

[left heart]

Like the variation between min and max is like 1 or 2%

[fickle lintel]

totally wasted my points buying a orange item that sucks

[left heart]

Where are you buying orange items? The shop never had anything above blue for me, and I'm 30.

[autumn berry]

Hauls my self out of the ship airlock Not that So horrid

[uncut tangle]

I usually test them in the meat grinder

[left heart]

Ohh, the side quest token vendor?

[twilit socket]

i heard someone say the meat grinder doesn't give you accurate information

[uncut tangle]

Yea it's wonky atm

Like the counter fire is bugged atm but works in meat grinder

I mostly use it for damage numbers and they should be accurate though

[left heart]

I still feel like they have some redundant stat rolls. Why do I want +1 stamina on a staff?

[abstract maple]

@left heart Items roll their stats at tier 1, everything else (green to legendary) only adds perks which add to the rating, but the stats are relatively fixed

[fickle lintel]

my shitting axe ive had since day 1 kills faster than my new orange axe ive grinded a week to get

[abstract maple]

So that's why you can get a grey item that hits harder than a legendary

[cosmic osprey]

How do you interrupt the daemonhost execution?

[twilit socket]

i don't understand why your item score goes up from crafting it to a higher level if the stats don't change

[abstract maple]

The legendary just has a shit stat roll, and there's nothing to do to fix it

[thin nebula]

you die

[abstract maple]

The perks. each perk adds to the rating

[uncut tangle]

It's the total average from what I heard

[twilit socket]

what's the max ilvl for a blue then?

[left heart]

And all the stats are so relativistic, +1 of what? What's the total? And all these stat bars. It's all relative and hard to test. I really don't believe there's as much variation as they're pretending they have.

[uncut tangle]

Could have trash damage and cleave but has high mobility so it brings up rating

[fickle lintel]

i dont like the item system should i just refund this is mind bogglingly retarded

[abstract maple]

🤷

[uncut tangle]

They are working on a fix

[quasi spade]

kill it

[abstract maple]

Just know that upgrading to each tier does nothing for the base stats of the item

[left heart]

And I've yet to hear anyone explain what First Target stat is. lol

[twilit socket]

Tbh I feel like it should or otherwise I don't see a reason to buy from the weekly shop

[uncut tangle]

Thought it meant first cleave enemy hit

[abstract maple]

It's the bonus damage dealt to the first target you hit in a combo

You can test it in the meat grinder

Is it dumb that it isn't explained? Yes, 100%

[twilit socket]

Yeah, not a lot explained

[uncut tangle]

Yes needs a codex explaining this stuff

[left heart]

So if it detects you're going to hit multiple targets with your next strike, it adjusts the damage done to the first target in the strike? That's... odd

[unborn pilot]

just found my first demonhost... >.> that essentially insta-kill is mean

[feral stump]

any1 got a good ogryn build for dif4 and dif5 using the shield?

[abstract maple]

The dagger is centered around "finesse" (weak point hits) so the first target bonus means that they deal a fuck ton on weak points

[crystal tusk]

is there a thread somewhere explaining the Daemon?

how to fight her

[uncut tangle]

Grandma is right, basically like that lasgun prefix

[fickle wagon]

anyone knows the best map for malleus monstronum?

[uncut tangle]

First shot fired

[abstract maple]

It has several stab attacks that realistically are only going to hit one target

[left heart]

Are there force swords with variants of their attack pattern?

[signal cipher]

Stats are only comparing to bare minimum THAT weapon can do, which is why an "low damage" Axe hits harder then a "high damage" force sword stats only really matter when comparing two of the same weapon... Which if your brain has a normal amount of grey matter should be self explanatory but hey, people will always surprise me

[abstract maple]

If you really want to make good weapons, pay attention to the item shop and emperor gifts for high point grey items

I think they max out around 350

Those are going to have the highest total stat pools of any weapon

Then pray for good rolls/wait for the crafting system

[left heart]

Yeah I'm trying to collect decent weapons I'm interested in, gray/green when I see them.

[uncut tangle]

@signal cipher I assumed people already knew that, it's like comparing a bolter to a lasgun

[abstract maple]

Is it dumb? 100%, yes!

[signal cipher]

Most people don't seem to understand, that fact that you do makes me proud

[fickle lintel]

im trying to get a refund i cant stomach the obfuscated item system its less fun than a mission with only pox hounds

[abstract maple]

It breaks the logic of most video games that going up in tiers is actually an upgrade

[serene latch]

instead of stupid ass damage bar, they should have DPS bar

problem solved

or have numbers instead

[uncut tangle]

I like and hate the system tbh

I prefer numbers over bars that are hard to gauge

[abstract maple]

You can literally have a trash stat'd legendary with shitty perks that will never touch the damage of a fucking grey item. It's stupid af

[marsh blaze]

veteran gaming

[umbral glade]

nice

[fickle lintel]

my orange item has better bars than the purple item and about double the item level and the purple item is better, and the different attacks dont seem to make sense

[gaunt oracle]

when we compared percentage numbers for achievements on steam, we found out numbers differ greatly between players

[uncut tangle]

Anyone here know what prefix I should look out for on the heavy stubber

[abstract maple]

mind taking a screen shot comparing the two? I'm curious

[uncut tangle]

I assume overwhelming fire is good but I haven't seen much else

[balmy basin]

How does the system work exactly?

[crimson stag]

Veteran gaming

[gaunt oracle]

while some users' steam client would say, e.g. 2.5% had a certain achievement, other users reported a totally different number for the same achievement

[marsh blaze]

gahdamn

[young mulch]

poxbursters need to be toned the hell down

[marsh blaze]

did you get deadeye?

[fickle lintel]

yep

[quartz heron]

push attack it as it is jumping at you

[crude radish]

I cannot for the life of me get longbomb

[rigid wasp]

Is it true you can just walk past a daemonhost?

[uncut tangle]

Try it on foundry

Got mine there

[abstract maple]

The water treatment level is really good for it or the foundry at the end

[uncut tangle]

And yes you can just walk around the witch

[serene latch]

stats system is literally made to appeal the casual players, ohhh the pretty bars, look good

[hardy bronze]

Yeah, treat them like witches from L4D2

[crimson stag]

Yessir. Have every Veteran penance done except for the map specific ones. Just waiting for them to come back into rotation at this point

[marsh blaze]

gaht mfing dayum

[umbral glade]

the forsted area around it is the agrro range

[marsh blaze]

need to get to that

[verbal iron]

anyone have pics of the fanatic's 2nd/3rd helms?

[crude radish]

I tried it in the outside level but somehow it exploded before it came back down. Also the vetran has a really weak arm when throwing regularly

[uncut tangle]

On a side note and this is cheesy

[dull garden]

On Overwatch is the dumbest penance ngl

[uncut tangle]

You can just run through a mission and alt f4 and rejoin and it counts for no melee hits

[dusk pewter]

what counts as a Scab for Sire Melk's contract?

[quartz heron]

Just dont get hit

[abstract maple]

Yeah, you can kind of see where the grenade will explode if the path ends mid air. It just takes some practice trying to do air bursts, but it's one of the less annoying ones amazingly. Typically you try to aim 45 degrees

[crimson stag]

the Cammo feat makes on overwatch actually free af

you just post up standing still next to your team and they will always go for your teammates before you

[uncut tangle]

Yep that also helps

[crimson stag]

ive had hordes literally run by me and go for other targets

[crude radish]

I just want cool armor man :(

[dull garden]

What you mean just run through a mission? Like, to the end or?

[fickle lintel]

@abstract maple

[uncut tangle]

So do a mission normally

Get hit whatever and ask your team mates to wait at the valkyrie

You alt f4 and reconnect

[abstract maple]

Weird, maybe there's something else going on for items rolled prior to 30

@fickle lintel

[uncut tangle]

Game thinks you haven't been hit once

[abstract maple]

Oh, it might also be the attack type

[uncut tangle]

Easiest way to get over watch

[sweet totem]

Is it possible to get just a mask no helmet as a vet

[cursive citrus]

cant believe im actually meme-ing. See a new accatran in the shop that might be better than mine, so i busted out my calipers to check

[uncut tangle]

I did that with a bolter

Bought like 6 and kept finding out the low rating one was better

[abstract maple]

@fickle lintel Those represent different attack patterns that might explain it. Your purple one is also armor piercing supposedly

[cursive citrus]

1.1575 inches vs 1.1755 inches

[abstract maple]

so it might be the effect of armor between the two

[cursive citrus]

damn thats like 1, maybe 2 pixels

[young mulch]

Yea, that only works some of the time and does nothing in a horde when there are multiples. I literally went from 100% health no corruption to out of action thanks to 2 bursters

[cursive citrus]

a fucking 2 hundredths of an inch different in damage

[fickle lintel]

that would make since except the different attacks do the same amount of damage against carapace armor

[abstract maple]

which is the whole reason why the power sword is OP af when charged. the charge gives it the armor piercing property

Weird, yeah idk

[quartz heron]

Never had that issue

[stoic heath]

so, aside from not attacking it, how to you avoid angering a deamon host?

[abstract maple]

the itemization system is this game is whack af

Don't attack or walk in it's circle

[slow fog]

Walk around it

[uncut tangle]

Somehow the power sword is the best weapon in the game

[minor oxide]

Is there any way to cancel the Demonhost's execution of downed players?
I've tried stunning it.

[marsh blaze]

kill it first?

[slow fog]

As you get closer it makes your screen go frosty apparently

[abstract maple]

it's because the power up gives it armor piercing and unlimited cleave

[uncut tangle]

Like somehow the thunder hammer is meh but the power sword is just fantastic

[stoic heath]

I didnt do that, does looking at it with a flashlighht piss it off?

[marsh blaze]

the only times i've encountered the daemonhost, that's how i got it to stop

[patent sapphire]

yes

[uncut tangle]

@abstract maple for me it's the quick special animation

Some weapons just take too long to activate it and Proc which gets you hit

[abstract maple]

Yeah you can basically insta activate it and keep up the charge almost permenantly

it also lasts for 3ish swings vs other weapons like the evis which only get one

[storm laurel]

holy shit that's like the perfect axe

[abstract maple]

that combined with the armor piercing and unlimited cleave let you basically super charge your toughness

[rigid wasp]

bruh I've discovered the most braindead class in the game imo

Zealots

just had a zealot almost completely wipe us

[honest gazelle]

only need 2 more missions on heresy

and then to do the 100 mission completion thing for me cool mask

[young mulch]

is the only way to fix the cursor stuck on screen to restart?

[honest gazelle]

alt enter alt enter and opening chat then pressing enter works for me

[thin nebula]

just opening chat works fine

[uncut tangle]

@abstract maple after some testing you can get it for 4 swings if you repeatedly use heavy attacks but not very practical

[thin nebula]

open chat close chat

[abstract maple]

yeah I've noticed that, but sometimes it seems like it'll stop after the first heavy which is weird, but inconsistent is basically fatshark's middle name from what I've noticed

[fathom crag]

How'd you get Make Every Shot Count ?

[kind flicker]

What determines power level of items in shop does anyone know?

[tired crown]

I believe it's all of the stats of the item added up, with traits and blessings being worth more.

[abstract maple]

cheese it. run a revolver, shoot out all your bullets except 1, disconnect from the match, have your friends run the level for you, then reconnect at the end the level, shoot something, and then finish the level

[young mulch]

o.o oh snap I'll try it

[kind flicker]

Right but like what increases it, for example when will I see blue items over 380 power level for example

[rigid wasp]

Honestly it's not THAT hard of a challenge to do

[tired crown]

So a level 300 item will have higher stats allocated between the different fields, like damage, penetration, etc. when compared to a level 200 item. Blues have traits attached that add something like 15 score but not actual damage increase (depending on the trait) and blessings that do the same

[kind flicker]

Yes and I see loads of screen shots of people with 400+ power level blue items in the shop while all of mine are less than 380 so how do I get the shop to have higher level ones

[uncut tangle]

It's easier then knock back 4 ogryn types or knock 100 enemies as ogryn that's for damn sure

[tired crown]

So getting an orange item with like.. +8% damage to elites, +4% critical chance, and whatever blessing adds maybe 45 to the power score of the item without directly affecting its damage output

[abstract maple]

pray to RNGsus

[tired crown]

My best weapon is a white one that I upgraded, honestly.

[abstract maple]

Yeah

I try to keep an eye out for 340+ greys in the shop

Those are going to have the highest stat pools. I think greys max out at 350

[jolly spindle]

ohwhut? rly?

thanks for the protip, I was ignoring grey/green stuff

[tired crown]

It's a little convoluted and I think we're all still trying to learn it but we're getting info from clever people posting their findings on Reddit/YouTube

[abstract maple]

yeah, keep an eye out for high rating greys. they're going to serve as the basis for your most powerful weapons. the initial stat pool is rolled at tier 1, every additional tier adds rating and damage indirectly through perks/blessings

[weary sapphire]

For the 100 percent accuracy vet penance can you DC right before match ends and then reconnect, shoot a few rounds with 1percent accuracy and get it?

[crimson stag]

nope

[weary sapphire]

Sheesh you gotta just do it with 100 percent accuracy

[crimson stag]

God forbid we gotta do penances legit lol

[proper coral]

I'm going to worry about that one once I get a plasma rifle that is worth a damn.

[abstract maple]

Yes, you can. Disconnecting and reconnecting resets your stats for the round so fire out all of your bullets down to 1, disconnect, reconnect, and fire a shot then end the match.

[crimson stag]

easiest to do with a low ammo revolver tbh

[tired crown]

I hate to say it but I've seen people with higher end helmet cosmetics that can't fight their way out of a wet paper sack and I know it's because they cheesed it.

[crimson stag]

Have you done it? Because I have. And i promise you your method doesnt work

Because even if you reconnect, you still need 100% accuracy and more importantly, 0 ammo left

[raw plover]

guys, on ogryn do you prefer health or thoughness?

[crimson stag]

so regardless of what you do, you need to get rid of those bullets

without missing a shot

[outer sierra]

what does your char size atually change? i just make all ym guys big

[abstract maple]

that's why you disconnect with 1 ammo left and yes it does work

once you reload, you shoot your one bullet and then end the round

boom 100% accuracy

[wintry silo]

what happened to espionage missions?

[crimson stag]

Nothing, I'm in one right now

[wintry silo]

not seeing any in the loader

weird

[crimson stag]

thats cause avaialble mission pool is random

[signal cipher]

Imagine cheesing lmao

[worthy sparrow]

which Veteran personality is the one that refers to ogryn's as "Big man"

[fickle lintel]

where do we find the base values for weapons? the bars are meaningless arent they?

even the size of the bars dont matter because different weapons have different stats

[abstract maple]

imagine thinking that it matters. it's a video game bro and these penances are ass

[wanton estuary]

my shop every godamn refresh

im tired of autoguns and tac axes

[crimson stag]

There are challenges which are actually super bullshit and RNG based on map spawns etc. Like bowling 100 adds with Ogryn, or traveling 75m in 25 seconds. Veteran challenges are not. They're all skill based, and if people have to cheese them they're just down bad lmao

[signal cipher]

Yes but I didn't cheat, therefore I'm better than you

[fickle lintel]

can anyone link to where fatshark said theyre going to add stats to the item system or something

[crimson stag]

the veteran penances at least demonstrate good situational awareness and accuracy. Having to cheese for them indicates you have neither. Unlucky.

[rare shadow]

god bolt gun is so good

[abstract maple]

lol grow up kiddos

[crimson stag]

"grow up kiddos" says the person openly defending cheating in a video game, on the official discord no less lmao

[abstract maple]

lol

[signal cipher]

Aiming is to difficult please rebalance your game

[left heart]

Same

[rare shadow]

god i hate zealot now

[crimson stag]

i really hope they reset penances after they iron out the bugs

[rare shadow]

vetran is so much more fun, i really want a real melee class

100% melee

[near harness]

does beast of nurgle do a huge knockback when it dies?

[signal cipher]

I'd agree but cliffhanger gaslights me

[crimson stag]

yes, at the corpse

[near harness]

ugh i see. thanks

[crimson stag]

cliffhanger is fine now with the espionage map back in play. Fastest knocks ive seen

[round token]

how much fps r u guys getting, 3070 and only floats around 50fps on rtx low

[dreamy hedge]

is there a comprehensive perk list or stat explanation for weapons?

[dense dragon]

Is there a way to check what missions I'm missing for the complete all mission types penance?

[dreamy hedge]

click it

[round token]

there's one on reddit

[ancient imp]

can anyone let me know as veteran on malice, how on earth do you get the overwatch pennance when enemies spawn on you and proceed to hit you

[dreamy hedge]

link? ❤️

[stray arrow]

hey if i play that sand map do i get speacal cosmetic

[crimson stag]

If things are spawning directly on top of you, you're runnign too far ahead of the map. Otherwise, they're just hitting you cause you're not dodging

[dense dragon]

I have. 👍

[stray arrow]

do i get a cosmetic for playing the sand map

[ancient imp]

im with my group, i also have camo expert on so shouldnt be prioritised

[crimson stag]

And by spawning directly on top of you i mean litearlly poofing into existence on top of you, not walking through a door in front of you, cause that's normal mob traversal

[round token]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z3db8g/i_made_a_sloppy_icon_and_stat_sheet_for_myself/

[signal cipher]

Oh it is? Rad

I haven't gotten on today

[crimson stag]

cammo expert doesn't kick in until you're standing still for a couple seconds, and only if the mob wasn't already targeting you before it kicked in from the last time you were moving

[stray arrow]

somone told me if i play the sand map i get a cosmetic is that true

[tender jungle]

For the Veteran Penance “Deadeye”, do you have to do it 5 times or just once?

[crimson stag]

Yea Vigi Station Oblivium, the 3 bridge defense, on endless horde you can easily have an ogryn plant shield on one of the bridges and stall like 50 poxwalkers

then poof and they're all gone

[ancient imp]

like, there will be no door, no way for them to magically appear behind me, but without fail, will always spawn 1 poxwalker behind me or 1 of those helmet mace guys regardless, also been standing still when it happens, group right next to me

[signal cipher]

One volley fire so just once

[stray arrow]

somone told me if i play the sand map i get a cosmetic is that true

[tender jungle]

Ahh ok, I was confused cuz it said “4/5” so I thought I just had to do it one more time

[crimson stag]

If you see 1/5 on progress bar it means you've kill 1 headshot in a single Volley Fire. THe achievements track the highest you've gone

[ocean flower]

nah that's just tracking how close you've gotten in a single volley fire

[crimson stag]

Yea it means you got 4/5 at one point

[stray arrow]

somone told me if i use my d!ck as a pogo stick i can get around easier

[crimson stag]

consider keeping your back to a wall and holding the block button if lone wanderers are an issue for you

[tender jungle]

Fudge the fact that I was so close annoys me a little lmao

[crimson stag]

I had 99/100 targets hit with the ogryn penance

so I feel you

[ancient imp]

fair play, idk if it's a feature or bug, im very thorough when moving

[hidden burrow]

anyone wanna go get "gone bowling" with me?

[tender jungle]

Oh god I’m so sorry that must’ve sucked

[abstract maple]

Is overwatch the don't get hit by melee penance?

[ancient imp]

yeah

[signal cipher]

Also I think they power out is my new favorite condition, AND I think demon hosts are my favorite enemy.

Just make sure you tell your teammates not to wake it up unless you all prepare for the fight

[abstract maple]

If it is, just disconnect and reconnect before finishing a round and you can complete it without having to worry about the bullshit spawn mechanics fucking you over

[signal cipher]

Gross

[round trail]

how does on check what mission types they have completed for the penance?

[abstract maple]

grow up kid no one cares 😂

[ancient imp]

check the missions tab

it'll be x out of 50

for each

[abstract maple]

maybe when you work for a living you'll care less about dumb video game achievements

[left heart]

Does gear score actually do anything? Does your total gear score attenuate your damage like other games?

[stray arrow]

somone told me if i play the sand map i get a cosmetic is that true

[signal cipher]

i make video games for a living lol, which is why I care

[patent sapphire]

are you at 6/7 and have not done the sand map yet?

[abstract maple]

Sure kiddo, anyways done arguing with a child

[nova lance]

now kiss

[stray arrow]

idk i gotta look but i'll try it

[signal cipher]

Lol

[sterile gate]

I've hit the point where if I get a veteran on my team that isn't prioritizing ranged enemies, I just leave to avoid the inevitable failure >.>

You had one job, CJ

[signal cipher]

Yeah, completing a set of challenges will give you a helmet, for the past few days we have been missing a mission type locking the helmet

[stray arrow]

how do i get this helmet

for psyker

[shrewd pendant]

Does killing the demonhosts do anything?

[vivid zealot]

its like a l4d witch, if you aggro it then you better burst it down quick or itll down someone then insta kill them

[shrewd pendant]

like any material, dockets, anything besides penance?

[vivid zealot]

no it doesnt seem to

[shrewd pendant]

poo

[vivid zealot]

its just an avoidable menace that should be left for the space marines lol

[uncut tangle]

Yup, basically the ogres and slugs except avoidable

[fathom kite]

Is espionage live?

[inner swift]

Why on earth did they add literally the dumbest, most pointless enemy design from L4D

[uncut tangle]

I do wish they dropped something though

[inner swift]

And actually make it worse somehow

[uncut tangle]

Didn't the rag ogres and the like drop dice in vermantide

[stray arrow]

somone told me this is a day one helmet for psyker is there any other way to get it

[umbral glade]

that is nolonger true, the reason why you could not get this hat is fixed.

[young mulch]

just had a burster run around a corner and insta kill three of us over a ledge

amazing gameplay -_-

[signal wharf]

third penance tier for headgear, i'd imagine

not entirely sure, though

[polar sandal]

daemonhost rocks

[austere epoch]

@young mulch that actually is kind of amazong lol

and amazing too

[rigid wasp]

Any good?

[shadow fractal]

any advice on doing going out with a bang?

[raw plover]

hey guys, on ogryn do you prefer thoughness of health on Curios?

[heavy pawn]

Does anyone know what affects the level of armory weapons that you roll and if rarity is also like this?

I'm wondering if I should just be buying the highest power rarest stuff even if it's stats are lame just to level up my armory.

[ocean flower]

are you already level 30?

[signal wharf]

health'll give you more than toughness will, especially considering how toughness is currently balanced in terms of melee

[void orbit]

Does anyone have an general good tips to complete the penances "Make Ever Shot Count" and "Deadeye"?

I figure the former can maybe be cheesed through using your guns early and then relying on your melee for the rest.
But Deadeye is confusing, when it says "Last round in clip" do they mean the last bullet? If so, how do I kill 5 enemies with 1 bullet?

[slow fog]

Kill with a last bullet in mag 5 times

[void orbit]

Oh

[signal wharf]

Deadeye is just 5 headshots in a row, isn't it, during Volley Fire?

or did they change it?

[void orbit]

wait

I Mixed them up

My bad

[sterile gate]

I'm pretty sure its tied to your level

[signal wharf]

yeah

[void orbit]

So is it just get a kill with the final bullet in your mag 5 times?

[signal wharf]

not sure if they changed it; but Make Every Shot Count can be completed on Ogryn, or could be, might be changed now

[ocean flower]

yes. it's super easy to do with a revolver

[heavy pawn]

Doesn't seem to be. My friend and I are 26 he consistently gets purple and orange stuff that is often above his level. Best mine gets is blue and a significantly lower power level. Like I never get options above my trust level.

[ocean flower]

it could just be both. i'm 99% sure your level is at least involved, because i got consistently, gradually higher rated gear on offer as i leveled even without equipping anything new

could just be that your friend is luckier than you

[shrewd pendant]

pretty sure you're comparing your normal shop to his melk shop

[kindred raptor]

im still upset that axes are the fucking best melee weapons in the game by far and it needs to get changed

havent tried ps yet but from what ive seen axe still better

[shrewd pendant]

Well chainsword is better than axe so that should make you happy

[kindred raptor]

its actually not

ive done extensive testing and axe outdamages pretty much anything

save for the braced autogun that outdamages boltguns unless its carapace armored enemies

[shrewd pendant]

you compared perks, blessings, and damage bars?

[kindred raptor]

yes

literally everything

damage bars are also only comparable to other weapons in the same tier

[fickle lintel]

which part is the blessings and whats the other ones called?

[kindred raptor]

tactical axes are garbo

[shrewd pendant]

bottom 2 are blessings, top 2 are perks

[kindred raptor]

the antax is the one you want

[fickle lintel]

how do you know with the current stat sytem being so obfuscated? feel?

[void orbit]

Is "Deadeye" just a skill diff? Or are there any general strats or perks to use?

[kindred raptor]

no it just does the most damage and has the highest cleave

[shrewd pendant]

yea i think its power sword > chainsword > antax but some people prefer shovels so who knows

[fickle lintel]

thankya lots

[winged plank]

are you level 30?

[shrewd pendant]

I think chainsword attack speed and not having to heavy attack for high single target dmg make it better

[fickle lintel]

i didnt want cleave i run this with a recon lasgun this is for armored targets only

[kindred raptor]

antaxe will still do more against armored targets

[void orbit]

Not yet, just prepping for the future.

[kindred raptor]

havent tried the PS yet but i can guarantee antax is way better than the chainsword

damage wise anyway

and ttk time

[heavy pawn]

Nope regular armory. Something weird going on here.

[winged plank]

The level 30 feat that highlights all ranged units helps with it.

[heavy pawn]

It's probably like vermintide 2

[shrewd pendant]

where do you see deadeye say "last round in the clip"?

[fickle lintel]

its impossible for me to predict if a new item is better or worse because theres so much under the hood i dont know

[void orbit]

Oh, I assumed you were supposed to grab the one which extends your Volley fire with each kill.

[shrewd pendant]

I have literally never seen a single item above blue in the regular armory, has anyone else?

[jolly spindle]

yeah I've only seen blue in armoury

[winged plank]

They all extend it

[fickle lintel]

what about the antax is better? does it have higher base stats that the bars cant show?

[kindred raptor]

yeah pretty much

[kindred raptor]

the bars are only comparable to the same weapon eg antax and tactical axe are completely irrelevant

the tradeoff is attack speed but dps the antax still wins

[shrewd pendant]

They all extend your volley fire with special kills. the middle one that makes shooters glow yellow is kinda bugged it doesn't let you refresh off a headshot from a shooter in missions but it works in meat grinder

[kindred raptor]

youd have to compare antax to antax or tactical axe to tactical axe

its really really wonky but thats how it works until we get actual damage numbers on the displays

[shrewd pendant]

the best thing about antax compared to other axes is the swing type

[void orbit]

I assume meat grinder is the go-to for the increased special spawns?

[kindred raptor]

also base stats

[shrewd pendant]

that's just gravy

[kindred raptor]

the other axes do nowhere near the same damage

[shrewd pendant]

the tactical axe swing is so shit i wouldn't use it even if it dealt more damage

[kindred raptor]

true xD

[shrewd pendant]

For the Deadeye penance, ideally you just run a kentral lasgun with the last middle Feat, have a zealot stun grenade a group of shooters for you, and you click heads.

[void orbit]

Final question before I stop filling this question chat with more stupid questions, Any tips for "Make Ever Shot Count"?

4 am tired brain

[signal cipher]

For every shot count you first, let your teammates know what your doing, you probably want to use a low ammo weapon like a shotgun, revolver, plasma gun, ect, and well... You make every shot count

[shrewd pendant]

Use all your ammo except 1 bullet left at the end of the mission before you get on the plane, tell your team to wait for you, disconnect, reconnect, shoot 1 enemy, get on plane

[signal cipher]

Ew

Ew

Ew

Gross

Imagine cheating

[kindred raptor]

bro i mean

[shrewd pendant]

Imagine trolling your team

[kindred raptor]

its basedXD

[winged plank]

better than gimping your squad lol

[void orbit]

"For every shot count you first"?

[wet bloom]

Actually dont see it possible unless you do that

[shrewd pendant]

Hey guys, I'm gonna pick the character that needs to shoot his gun to be useful and I'm just not gonna shoot my gun because I need to unlock a skin, k thx bye :^)

[wet bloom]

maybe im just bad internet

but hit reg sucks

I can hit a guy 4 times in the head, blood will spew out and he will even flinch

[shrewd pendant]

You just run a revolver and you can do it, just stay away from your team when they kill elites so you dont gain ammo

[void orbit]

So basically, play normally and then reconnect with 1 bullet left at the end?

[wet bloom]

but wont do any damage

[winged plank]

hit reg is also a problem sometimes, I still cant finish that penance

[shrewd pendant]

Yea just so you can shoot 1 minion and don't worry about your teamates killing elites at the end and giving you ammo by accident, your penance will still work as long as you dont reload

[signal cipher]

I mean if you suck ass ig it's trolling but I didn't have an issue getting it with the plasma gun

[wet bloom]

hit reg is the only reason I havent finished it

had a run every shot was a hit with revolver but reg screwed me over

[lyric yarrow]

Killing 5 marked enemies with weakpoint hits while using volleyfire. Which weapon best to use for someone with shitty aim? xD

[void orbit]

As long as I don't reload?

[signal cipher]

Any of the recon lasguns

[lyric yarrow]

ohh going for Fire rate, sounds good didnt even think about that one ^^

[shrewd pendant]

kentral lasgun, run the middle feat that makes shooters glow, get a zealot teamate to stun a group of shooters for you, activate volley fire, and shoot heads

[wet bloom]

I think the whole point is to have good aim

[leaden cove]

Anybody know why sometimes with my zealot's charge I go 5 feet and other times I fly halfway across the stage?

[lyric yarrow]

hah i have no good precise/fast aim. Bodyshots i can do rapidly, but aiming at heads is harder for me hmn.

[woeful otter]

Is there any way to change the order of the social wheel to match VT2?

[wet bloom]

boolet

[shrewd pendant]

Yea vet has a passive that gives you ammo when you or your team kill elites minions so at the end you will reconnect with 01/00 ammo, you will shoot 1 minion with it or an elite, and your team may kill an elite and you'll be at 00/06 ammo, just get on the plane anyway because the penance will give you credit for leaving the mission with 100% accuracy and 0 ammo left

[leaden cove]

Happens in the meat grinder too

[wet bloom]

no toughness when boolet or melee hit

[void orbit]

Ahhh okay, so if I kill an elite and end up getting 6 ammo to reload with, I can still get on the plane as long as I don't reload?

[shrewd pendant]

Have a Zealot teamate use their stun grenades on a group of minions for you and take your time lining up the shots

[wet bloom]

think it stops on collision too

[shrewd pendant]

yea just shoot your 1 bullet, switch to melee, and get on plane

[lyric yarrow]

Ill ask the next friendly Zealot joining my team ^^

[shrewd pendant]

remember you have to do this on Heresy difficulty

[lyric yarrow]

yeah ^^

[signal cipher]

Most, of the challenges exist to encourage a different play style, on overwatch for example wants you to be a sniper on the very back of the group, Very shot count pushes you to play with weapons that have poor ammo economy

[wet bloom]

why is it back to being endless hordes?

I liked lights out

[haughty umbra]

It’s probly rotating between the 2 right now

[void orbit]

Just checking so I don't mess up like an idiot, it is because my stats reset when I leave. Therefore running out of ammo earlier, missing and so on doesn't count after you reconnect?

[signal cipher]

😭

[shrewd pendant]

Probably some bug that lets you glitch into the daemonhost's mother's house and blow her back out for 10000 cubes and plastics

[terse pond]

what do you guys like at 20 for veteran? camo expert sounds like it could be really good depending on how it works

[wet bloom]

I love daemon host

[ocean flower]

unless they're psyker challenges. those ones just encourage you to be an inquisitor's diet pox burster

[peak valve]

What do you guys think is the best type of lasgun? I've been trying to recon version and I'm not sold on it yet

[shrewd pendant]

Right, when you reconnect you're completely fresh. no damage taken, no shots fired

[civic crow]

Play Ogryn, if you're missing with the shotgun you're beyond help

[terse pond]

depends

they have different uses but the stock standard best general one imo is the infantry xii

[void orbit]

Wait, don't stray pellets count?

[signal cipher]

Yeah the psyker challenges do kinda blow, warp battery is the only play style based one

[shrewd pendant]

You're going to have to pay the tax and try them all out. You will be broke but it's completely worth it. Everyone's gotta do it

[void orbit]

Also don't I need to play the sharpshooter?

[civic crow]

I got it with the grenade launcher because it's basically impossible to miss. Long as you hit something it counts

[ocean flower]

i enjoy the kantrael mk XII

[hard goblet]

It's between the Accatran Mk VId and the Kantrael MG XII for me.

Those specific variants are excellent.

[terse pond]

i dont really know what the differences between the siblings of the recon series are but it feels pretty good as well

[winged plank]

agreed those two are great

[civic crow]

Whichever is the high power slow fire one I like that.

[terse pond]

i personally like the helbore a lot

[void orbit]

Oh. So I can complete other classes missions as Ogryn?

[civic crow]

Yep that's how I did the "Don't miss a shot, 0 ammo" one

[winged plank]

I hate the sight picture on the helbore

[peak valve]

I need to try the Accatran again. I seem to remember it firing faster than the Kantrael, which I liked. The Kantrael kicks enough that if you're getting staggered it's hard to figure out where you're shooting

[shrewd pendant]

How long ago did you do it Fans, I thought they fixed that

[civic crow]

Oh I didn't see a change if they did. It wasn't that long ago

[terse pond]

i dont blame you

but i quite like it

[ocean flower]

the kantrael mk XII is ungodly ammo efficient, can one-shot bodyshot most ranged enemies (at least at the difficulties i've taken it to), has good sights, and pretty minimal sway

[terse pond]

it also helps if youi get one with good charge time

charge time varies depending on the charge time roll and traits

[civic crow]

I dunno if there's a bad lasgun they're all super nice.

[terse pond]

the fast infantry las feels mid to me

tries to be a recon las but you could just... use a recon las

[void orbit]

When I disconnect do I just leave or do I have to do something like Alt + f4'ing?

[civic crow]

Even the fast one you can drill heads in sequence super quick with it

[ocean flower]

i believe you gotta like, alt f4, to get the reconnect option

which full auto las fires slowest, btw? i don't super like the full hose ones, they're too ammo inefficient compared to the kantrael

[blissful flower]

Mk4 Lasgun is the most "meh"

[terse pond]

for that matter, does anyone know the differences between the recon lasguns? i have one of each but frankly dont feel like joining and quitting out of meat grinder to make sure its accurate 3 times, at laest not rn while im trying to finish my weekly

[blissful flower]

Too little damage for hordes, too much recoil to easily drill with, hipfire sucks with it. The "la" version is the better variant if you need higher RoF over the Mk XII

[signal cipher]

Same I like that the team seems to be going for as close to lore accurate as possible

Which is why stuff like the bolter is crazy good, and why the demon host is crazy strong

[north wolf]

Should I update?

[terse pond]

i like the daemonhost but its not as cool as it was to me in a certain book

[sour axle]

Alright, i need help getting long bomb penance for sharpshooter. any tips?

[zenith bronze]

Did i RNG good? First Mystery Aquisition

[terse pond]

looks damn good to me

low ammo roll

[neon swift]

Anyone have an issue where scriptures aren't being counted? I just got my last 2 but it wasn't recorded for the goal

[terse pond]

but thats all i could be sad about

pretty gun

[north wolf]

The rating looks low, are you low level?

[zenith bronze]

lv 19

[hollow flare]

target a group about 25-30 meters away then aim up and just tap-throw the grenade

[north wolf]

Quick opinions on this? Shop changes in 2 mins.

[signal cipher]

Throw a frag from really far away

Jokes aside your best bet is to do the water salio mission and chuck a grenade from one side of the bridge to the other as the elevator comes up

[patent sapphire]

right is a very low rated base even though it's purple so eventually you will need to upgrade it, as for whether to buy that one i can't really say, it doesn't have infernus but you should be buying things that are a rating upgrade anyway as that's how the shop generates your new ratings

[north wolf]

Should probably save those tokens till 30.

[neon swift]

The gear score is low Urzorn. I'd probably swap it out

[north wolf]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[zenith bronze]

Grinding there will take me a while will have plenty by then

[north wolf]

It's honestly not that slow. You'll get there in a few days probably.

[patent sapphire]

yeah, the rating encompasses all the points that go into the stat bars plus the perks have a rating cost as well, so if you took off the extra perk you have it would be somewhere in the vicinity of a 225 -240 blue

[hollow flare]

does the shop calculate by the highest rating in your inventory or by what you have equipped?

[patent sapphire]

should be inventory as far as i've heard

[heavy pawn]

do you know if this happens for rarity too?

[hollow flare]

are stat bars in comparison to other weapons of the same type or in comparison to other weapons in general btw?

[patent sapphire]

not sure about rarity, i haven't seen a purple in the coin shop for days

[heavy pawn]

yeah my friends coin shop pretty much always has purple and often yellow

[lime imp]

Theres a vid explaning star bars someone posted that goes into the math

But its a per weapon deal

[hard goblet]

@shrewd pendant I saw what you were saying earlier for the 100% Veteran accuracy penance. Is it only keeping track of what your total ammo count is in the gun's magazine and not what you have in reserve?

[hollow flare]

so comparing the damage stat bar of a revolver to the damage stat bar of a lasgun for example wouldnt actually be any usefull

[lime imp]

A recon lasgun with equal dmg to a single shot lasgun will not do the same dmg in the same ammo spent

Each weapon has its own dmg range lol

So why they didnt give us hard numbers is beyond me

[hollow flare]

yeah i dont know either

like ... its nice and all that i can compare the stat bars on my two bolter guns vs each other but i would like to actually be able to compare them vs lets say an autogun

[haughty umbra]

Hard numbers wouldn’t work unless they gave us numbers for every single armor type and every single swing in the moveset, but some numbers would’ve been nice.

[shrewd pendant]

Nah I think it just sees you at the end of the mission with 00/00 and gives you credit. It's like it doesn't count the veteran passive giving you ammo

[lime imp]

I mean its all equations that a base number goes into afaik

[haughty umbra]

Different enemies take the exact same swing from the exact same weapon differently, so they’d need to give us so many numbers to be exact. At least give us some basic numbers tho Fatshark

[hollow flare]

This ... just give us the base number

[haughty umbra]

Yeah that’d be good by itself

[lime imp]

Mh did this same shit with motion values for ages

[hollow flare]

i can do the mathematical head acrobatics myself ... but only if i have a number to start with

[hard goblet]

It doesn't count the veteran passive restoring ammo?

[ocean flower]

they can at least label the axes of their bars. if they just put like, 0%-25%-50%-75%-100%, it'd at least be easier to gauge how much of a difference things are making

[lime imp]

They could easily have a tooltip elucidating how its affected by the armor types

[dreamy carbon]

Lucius MK3 is kind of slept on. 3 charged headshots kill a Crusher, 2 charged headshots to kill a reaper, 3 charged bodyshots to kill a Mauler and 1 tap charged headshot on pretty much anything else.
Slight hold to charge and it one taps all scab/dreg shooters and melee. Uncharged shots kill trash mobs in 1 shot 99% of the time and the bayonet 1 hits trash mobs also meaning you don't need to switch to a melee incase a single crackhead tries to hit you with a pipe.

[hollow flare]

but still only within that specific weapon and not vs weapons of another type

[north wolf]

I wish I could tell the game I don't want to be matched with level 5s in malice. :(

[shrewd pendant]

It's wonky, who knows what it is, I just know I finished 00/06 because my teamates killed a couple elites before i got on the plane after shooting my 2 bullets at normal enemies. I think maybe the game doesn't know the veteran passive ammo exists until you reload your gun

[patent sapphire]

i feel like the charge lasguns have high potential but aren't as braindead as the bolter or versatile as the mg xii semi auto

[dreamy carbon]

Yup, which is why people sleep on them.

[hollow flare]

out of curiosity ... whats teh highest rating you guys have found so far ?

[rigid delta]

hey lads, how often do espionage missions spawn?

[patent sapphire]

highest i personally own is a 420 blue, highest i've seen in game is a 472 master craft in sire melk's shop

[haughty umbra]

Heard 507, highest I’ve gotten was a 489

[hollow flare]

im assuming there is a cap ... anyone know what it is?

[bold saffron]

Not to shabby of a Random after mission Drop

[haughty umbra]

Someone theorized that it’s 560, based off a 400 white item

Blue to orange is +80 rating at most so, yeah

[shrewd pendant]

why do people like plasma guns on vet? seems like the opposite type of weapon that you would ideally want to use

[snow girder]

Is that Daemonhost random spawn in any map?

[bold saffron]

@snow girder Yeah and you don't poke it it doesn't try and murder you

[abstract maple]

has anyone seen a white over 350? I haven't

[slow fog]

DH seems WAY more common in dark mode, but they can be anywhere it looks like

[snow girder]

but i want to murder it!

[bold saffron]

Its more Murder you less you murder it lol

[haughty umbra]

I think someone’s seen one as high as 380? I’m very likely wrong on that tho

[shrewd pendant]

is there any proof of this 400 white item?

[jagged vigil]

somehow it feels that Surge staff was nerfed a bit in terms of CC

[hollow flare]

so ... does the shop average out my inventory? ... could i increase my chances of rolling high rating items by discarding low rating in my inv?

[haughty umbra]

Lemme see if I can dig it up, but if I can’t just assume it was a guesstimate.

[patent sapphire]

highest grey i have is 347

[sour depot]

I think its highiest power u have in inventory so u dont have to

[abstract maple]

I have a 350 white axe, but that's the highest I've seen sop far

[haughty umbra]

@shrewd pendant #gameplay-help message This guy, if you see them around you can ask.

[shrewd pendant]

Shop just seems random, not based on inventory or equiped items after you hit 30, everything seems like superstition and goat sacrifice trying to get it to roll higher itemws

[hollow flare]

i mean discarding right now only gives cash ... so im kinda hording on the offchance they do something like smelting your weapons into other types of resources

[tired coyote]

anyone help? Anti Alias is off and i've tried pretty much all settings and the MASS Pixilation on weapons won't go away?

[bold saffron]

something i thought was a bug isn't where Weapons get Damage as you go though the mission

[sour depot]

Yup, keep them for crafting

[shrewd pendant]

Any proof of that 380 white?

[zinc brook]

any good?

[bold saffron]

Like Chain swords loose teeth guns get dented

Decent

Wht level are you?

[zinc brook]

7

[stone wing]

no I've never been provided screenshots

but multiple different people have said they've seen 380s

[bold saffron]

yeah that will do you good till like level 10 easy @zinc brook

[tired coyote]

help?

[thin nebula]

how high could I expect this to get?

[rigid wasp]

I read that

as ball butcher

[stone wing]

gray to mastercrafted is 70-160 rating increase

[hollow flare]

rending is basically just armor pen right?

[stone wing]

so anywhere between 420-518

[thin nebula]

cheers, thanks

[patent sapphire]

well i guess here's proof of >350 grey

[thin nebula]

I take it they're not so common?

[stone wing]

yeah I've seen 358 before

alright gamers I am once again asking
for you to tell me what the highest rated gray weapon you have seen is
screenshots of any above 360 would be appreciated

[thin nebula]

highest I have on that character is 417, 418 and 120s on curios

[sour depot]

418 Gray?👀

[thin nebula]

no, sorry. I meant gear when I bought it from my shop

[peak crag]

What level is recommended for Malice horde runs?

[storm laurel]

a good team

[warm hollow]

^^

smart team

[storm laurel]

can easily do it with a team of <10 players

[peak crag]

That's hard when you play solo unfortunately

[spiral goblet]

Good horde clear, either a strong sweeping melee or something like a flamer. Makes things go much smoother.

[sour depot]

If u aren't familiar with vermintide kind of games i would suggest to wait for lvl 15-20 so u dont need to relay on others to carry

[spiral gale]

Yeah rlly relies on ur team.

I played a malice match whr i was lvl 13 n carried cse i was both horde clearing n doin objs XD. My team just ran arnd killing the whole game

[sour depot]

Yup that's playing with randoms pretty much

[tired coyote]

no ones got any idea eh? well hope its just a this game bug then, seeing that no one is telling me how to fix it...

[random mauve]

Fix what? You have not specifically said a problem

[tired coyote]

u can see the image right?

[patent sapphire]

talking about that i think

[tired coyote]

Yes

[shrewd pendant]

People need to start getting used to looking back and helping the guy in last move through. The horde that spawns behind you can keep you stunlocked behind your team if all 3 of them think they're pros sprinting ahead while you have aggro of stuff spawning in the back

[random mauve]

Then good luck having attitude like that.

[tired coyote]

what?......

[patent sapphire]

probably too much to ask of randos

i mean to be honest i didn't see what you were talking about until the second time

original message wasn't that clear, but i think it is just a game issue

not anything on your end

[tired coyote]

yeah i think so cus its not on any other game

must be a this game issue

hope they fix it soon

[cerulean crown]

I'm assuming your driver's are up to date?

[tired coyote]

Yes, i update them all the time

and i just bought a AMD 6800 xt

brand new

[cerulean crown]

I'd send a bug report to fatshark, I've never seen a bug like that

[mossy frost]

I get artefacting like that everywhere all the time, but I have a bare minimum gpu so I didn’t really bother mentioning

[rigid wasp]

Yo did they remove investigation and espionage again?

[tired coyote]

Link? or where do i go to do the report?

[patent sapphire]

espionage has been gone for awhile, i haven't seen investigation today now that you mention it

[rigid wasp]

Espionage was open today

[ornate stag]

espionage was back today for abit.

[rigid wasp]

I just did 2 earlier

[patent sapphire]

hmm i need that one unless im mistaken

[cerulean crown]

Channel browser on the left has a channel called bug reports and has the link

[tired coyote]

ty

[upper jacinth]

my caps were on jus got done with pen

[ornate stag]

what mission is fast enough for that armor?

[upper jacinth]

she has a red mask 13 missions away n on mission one malice mission left'

[pastel fern]

Guys can u help pls ? How all this traits works ?
1) Hammerblow
+15-20% Impact for 1.5 seconds on Hit. Stacks 5 times.
(What is "Impact"?)
2) Slaughterer
+13-15% Power for 3.5 seconds on kill. Stacks 5 times.
(What is "Power"?)
3) Thrust
Up to +5% scaling with Charge Time (Heavy Attack). Stacks 5 times.
(What is "scaling"?)
4) Skullcrusher
Target receives 5 Stacks of 100% Damage on Stagger. Lasts 3s.
(???)

[upper jacinth]

game bugged right now so jus get your health to one wound so go down once wait 5 or 8 mins then k i l l y o ur self tms need die too n then mission complete you dont actually have todo the mission

[weak marlin]

Does anyone know what the maximum % for Toughness and HP curious is? Most I've seen is 14% for Toughness and I think 17 or 18% for HP

[ornate stag]

so just wait on rank 5 mission for 5 mins then die? xD

[tight cedar]

ive seen 15% toughness but havent seen any higher than that

[shrewd pendant]

i've seen 19% hp on stuff that hits 96 rating blue

[weak marlin]

Interesting, so you could get Veteran theoretically to 290 toughness

https://tenor.com/view/wack-not-interested-gif-9843818

[tight cedar]

290 toughness is pretty juicy

[woeful otter]

There a site similar to RG for DT?

[cerulean crown]

I've seen 19% but that's because I got Toughness on the main effect and on the perk

Which would be 314 toughness if achieved on three

[half lily]

Anyone having a problem finding a match with players?

[bright relic]

Kinda weird they gave the most Toughness to the Human, but not the Ogryn.

Or even the Preacher

[cerulean crown]

I generally can't for specific missions and I get quick play fill ins which... The phrase bottom of the barrel comes to mind.

[bright relic]

Also, Surge Staff for Life

[sour depot]

Its becouse vet should be good at trading shoots at distance and preacher is do good with toughness regen that he can tank a lot

[sour slate]

There's no way to pick a specific mission is there? Just the ones on the menu?

[sour depot]

Yes, as far as i know

[topaz condor]

But in the end vet does both things better

[sour depot]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-thats-debatable-diego-hargreeves-david-castaneda-the-umbrella-academy-thats-arguable-gif-17993679

[hollow flare]

is stacking +toughness actually worth it over stacking +wounds and/or +health?

[topaz condor]

Wouldn't say it's debatable when Preacher needs to equip a talent to regen the same amount of toughness on melee kill as a vet on base

[near moat]

+toughness is definitely worth over health, given you dont go below 0 itll always recharge

[upper jacinth]

https://youtu.be/ElrxTcaRzo8 heres how we did 'jus a wound pen"

[tired crown]

I feel your pain, been experiencing the same thing.

[lone shell]

anyone else stop getting emperors gifts after stacking 50% curio chance as reward?

[scarlet wigeon]

I always say you need atleast 1 wound for heresy or above. Your curio build really depends on what you want to do. If your doing grimoires then you want atleast 2 wounds slots or more

[ancient tartan]

what

same talent

but 4% is COMPLETELY different than flat 4

[upper jacinth]

yes i put my youtube their sub for the emperor its in beginning

[cerulean crown]

I've heard (well, read) at least one other person here had that issue

[lone shell]

dont do it guys, im 30+ runs in without seeing an emperors gift

[hollow flare]

might just be a typo though

[patent sapphire]

weird that it's the exact same blessing with different text though

must have different strings for different weapon types

[ancient tartan]

confusing

and its kinda of a big diff

[hollow flare]

like i said ... maybe the intern just forgot to put the % symbol in the reference text for the tooltip

"the intern"

[north axle]

Whats the best biome for getting Cliffhanger?

[hollow flare]

south of Red Mountain

[rigid wasp]

after seeing good preachers in melee, tbh I don't really think they underperform in comparison to vet, regardless of not having the same toughness or the powersword, like the shit I've seen them pull is not stuff I would be able to do without having the same perks and synergies with melee

[chilly stream]

fellas how do you hipfire a staff

[sour depot]

LMB?

[chilly stream]

hm

[hollow flare]

things i wish my wife asked me

[signal wharf]

Anyone got a list yet of what weapons are exclusive to Veteran?

[warped mauve]

its not just me right? endless is happening on every mission right?

[hollow flare]

plasma gun / shovel

[thin nebula]

shovel is not

[stray arrow]

ok as psyker i got 6/7 misson types done how do i get the 7th

[north axle]

The ogryn shovel is not the same as the vet shovel