look, now its reversed, i loaded into a save, the sleeves have wrong apperance
#Modular Military Mask - ArchiveXL
warped dome
its all correct
i dont get it
oh and in photomode its also correct
but not in fpp
red reef
you could try patching the materials from the tpp mesh straight into the fpp mesh
tha way you can at least rule out that
warped dome
i dont have anything dedicated to fpp besides the turtleneck which is not a seprate mesh, its just a cut out submesh that i turn off
dats it
warped dome
fun bug
red reef
yxou're gonna need psi for that.
red reef
yeah :))
warped dome
Are you able to import any kind of custom mlsetup in blender?
red reef
yeah?
red reef
I cant <:deepfriedblob:945720888169484348>
latest plugin, latest Nightly?
red reef
no, it's not ๐ please give the material.json to the people in #blender-add-on
warped dome
Maybe Ill send you just a single appearance mesh to send to blender so that i can take the thumbnails, but this way later down the line. ill just take icons ingame
warped dome
no, it's not ๐ please give the material.json to the people in <#103312050921644...
I talked to them
red reef
OK ๐
warped dome
i heard there's like a script that does something automatically with icons
red reef
there is, check he inkatlas guide
warped dome
I found it, but i dont see anywhere what does it do
do i put it in the folder full of these images and run it?
what's the output?
red reef
run it via python, it'll tell you
warped dome
so its a surprise script 
red reef
mhmm 
red reef
the script ๐
warped dome
because id need to export every icon from PS, if i do it manually, i dont do any export, just straight up place them in order on the template
time it takes to do 1 export is time it takes to do 1 placement of an icon on template
red reef
really? I have a hotkey for that ๐
warped dome
same
warped dome
I finally finished the bodysuit mod
I did the icons in-game with 8 rays and 8 bounces of path tracing
red reef
๐ you lunatic
red reef
Eventually
warped dome
Are my components busted? were they supposed to have soft flag?
red reef
Only question is how long it'll take me ๐
red reef
Are my components busted? were they supposed to have soft flag?
everything was always supposed, yeah. Somehow, Wolvenkit has always been getting that wrong, though.
It has never worked correctly.
warped dome
It's still quite interesting why this is happening only on this mod
Maybe there is more to it
red reef
There's a lot more to it
it's causing a timing issue
basically, soft references mean that the game should pull them in when it needs them
warped dome
red reef
but since they don't get saved as soft, the game pulls them in while loading the .ent file
which is probably earlier than it knows about the right appearance to load
warped dome
damn
red reef
I'll crack it eventually. Until then, psi will have some sort of workaround in plae, I'msure
warped dome
Well I'm not in any rush, I have to update the mods first before releasing the new bodysuit or my variants will be seriously out of sync
But I'm glad I have finally finished this mega project
red reef
๐
warped dome
There is no issue for having more partOverrides entries in app, in one apperance no? got a mesh.ent with multiple components
red reef
no, go ahead
warped dome
Some people keep reporting crashing that I can't replicate, what do you think could be the possible issue?
all on the same mod
And as you can see, this is recently
red reef
yeah, it's currently A Thing
warped dome
And to add to this, I'm also getting an instant freeze when I equip an item in the vanilla OuterTorso slot
red reef
Someone shared a workaround in mod troubleshooting earlier today
warped dome
What's going on?
red reef
presumably something with outer torso and arms partial state
warped dome
This happened after an AXL update?
warped dome
Someone shared a workaround in mod troubleshooting earlier today
do you have a link to the conversation?
red reef
#mod-troubleshooting message
urban pike
red reef
yw
warped dome
What happened you reckon
well ill do the hotfix
and put in innerChest
rip my 25+ armor but eh the mod gets reworked anyway
red reef
What happened you reckon
psi had a theory about something with sleaves
warped dome
i have some more info about this issue, seems like it happens only when the Outfit slot is used
like, if you equip the thing while not having anything in outfit it works
usually EEX takes the outfit slot
but if you dont use anything in outfit slot and just put the thing in vanilla, it works
this is why my turtleneck is also crashing
red reef
๐
but you can also just use the workaround and euqip the thing without previewing it, or so
warped dome
partsOverrides stops the .xl overrides from working. I assume this is intended and logical or not?
warped dome
Is there any way I can forcefully unequip Item X when the user unequips Item Y?
not hide it, I need unequip
To this problem I also need the opposite, which is preventing to equip Item X if Item Y is not manually equipped by the user
Context:
actually, i think i may have a solution to this problem
what if i make the toggle have the leds mesh, which are synced to real led color items just like i did the headset
ok im talking mad shit
but i think i may be onto something. 3 am. must sleep. idea noted.
warped dome
Why am I struggling. I think I can just do this with parts override. I can say, when you equip led green, then inside app you have a parts override รฎn the led green entry, with the component of the toggle item( which now has the mesh of the problematic led) and I just add the appearance name. It overrides the appearance right? I must test this when I wake up
red reef
partsOverrides stops the .xl overrides from working. I assume this is intended a...
?
test it when you wake up ๐ And tell me after what you found out
warped dome
?
Real this i confirmed, if you have component name + chunkmask in partsoverrides, the .xl tags dont work
red reef
the xl tags being..?
warped dome
red reef
Ahh, custom tags!
Yeah, because the PartsOverride also set these.
One of the two has to take precedence
warped dome
So in the cases where
I need tpp tags and also have custom tags, then i have to put it in ent
red reef
wait
if you use custom tags, you can't use partsOverrides' chunkMasks.
What do tags have to do with anything?
warped dome
What you mean
I was referring to custom tags the whole time
not like, the usual tags
red reef
I need tpp tags and also have custom tags, then i have to put it in ent
what tpp tags though? ๐
like. For me, tags is stuff that lives in visualTags, like Large or DynamicAppearance
warped dome
yeah my bad there
i meant i need to use tpp conditions in app, which use the partOverrides to work, so i can't use custom tags on those components anymore unless i put them in ent (the tpp conditions)
red reef
yeah, but you could also use custom tags for this
red reef
๐ welcome
warped dome
How did psi fix the bodysuit issue without the flags being fixed
red reef
ArchiveXL is fixing the flags
if it's a raRef, it's just turning it Soft
Meanwhile, I've finished another stupid feature...
warped dome
if it's a raRef, it's just turning it `Soft`
ahh so it was the flag issue after all
warped dome
Meanwhile, I've finished another stupid feature...
automatic axl?
red reef
automatic axl?
that's what I'm working on - the stupid feature is the red textfield ๐
warped dome
It's gonna be epic
red reef
yeah ๐
warped dome
Well done 
And she says people overestimate her but then she literally makes automatic Axl generator
red reef
That's literally automating stuff that's in the tutorial
"create a root entity"
"take the file blah. Move it to your folder. Register it in your factory."
warped dome
I guess everything that could be made dynamic was
warped dome
Like for real, is there anything that can be condensed or made dynamic anymore? You said once app or ent files could be merged but that's about it
The json is out of Axl so that one can't be
But it's not like the json was ever a problem for me at least
I just use search and replace
Have we reached peak axl
red reef
There's nothing I can think of right now, but my brain is very smooth compared to psi's ๐
warped dome
is this incorrect?
does it actually need to be my_item!variant&camera=tpp
i thought variant is a placeholder
warped dome
warped dome
Hey Mana do you know if for GS I need to do it for every refit on their respective body or can I do all refits on the vanilla body ?
red reef
I do GS first, refit after
otherwise you'd have to do it against the exact body or risk clipping
red reef
Hmm?
warped dome
i have done all refits already
warped dome
Is there any way i could detect if certain slots are used? is what i was about to ask but the toggle tags psiberx will add is all ill need
like damn those solve so many problems
with native ui, man that is siccc
red reef
IKR?
red reef
I haven't fully understood the implementation yet, but I'm waiting
warped dome
He already started?
So we'd have a custom tag in .xl that we somehow activate in EEX?
He said through item record, so I guess that goes in yaml
red reef
Probably? Maybe?
warped dome
Why does the file validation always complain that lush refit is missing as if it's something mandatory? It doesn't do this with other body tags
red reef
Why does the file validation always complain that lush refit is missing as if it...
Uhh... IDK, I thought I fixed that? Maybe turn it off in your settings
Or re-download the settings file
warped dome
im on stable, in case you fixed it on nightly
red reef
No, I fixed it in the file validation
warped dome
this section is empty on all 4 tabs, so i guess i dont have one
red reef
Hmmmm, okay... 
then maybe I didn't fix it 
warped dome
nah, its ok, it reminds me to actually not use the substitution if i dont have male version
red reef
๐
red reef
you could ๐
warped dome
I could do so much, rn im still working on le updates
i got more progress
got a hefty new modpage as test
red reef
me, I'm just vibing lmao
warped dome
Will Psiberx add those conditional tags?
I have like 5 mods that could use it, with 2 really requiring it
red reef
I dunno, ask him?
warped dome
warped dome
Hey Mana, I'm making an NPV, but for the life of me I can't get her eyes to work. They don't appear at all.
If i put default the mesh shows up with no texture, but any other appearance is just invisible. File validation says all is good. I custom pathed every file for the eyes. It uses a uniqueEyes base variation. So I added only the NPV eye mods, added the materials through the mesh that exists in the UniqueEyes base, and pathed them in the real mesh. Still invisible eyes.
I don't know how to troubleshoot this, do you have any idea? 
red reef
I usually delete everything and copy the shit from the mi straight into the eโฌ mesh
warped dome
I can't even get any kind of eyeballs to show up without pathing anything
Like im just taking the mesh from the base game as is and it doesn't show up
red reef
check paths and flags in ACM and RHT
warped dome
What are the flags supposed to be?
Default, soft, embedded
I'll just russian roulette them
Maybe one will work
Embedded flag sure one shoted my game
definitely not a flag issue
red reef
soft is for raref (async)
embedded means it's supposed in the file itself.
embedded = bad
but I meant chunkmasks actually >.<
warped dome
The problem may be related to something else
And by that I mean she becomes this mess of a blob when I add the face_rig component in app
What is going on, why is it doing this
This could be why the eyes just dont work
but in any case, I also need to solve this
red reef
things are bound to the wrong bone
are you sure that you're binding the correct rig for the rest of the NPV?
warped dome
I don't know. I have no clue. It's a custom sculpt, was it supposed to come with its own animagraph, rig and facialsetup?
Somethig might be wrong in the entirety with this npv
Yes so apparently
i needed these 2
I never used these before in all my NPVs i built
red reef
they're in every template
warped dome
aight, still have my eyeballs problem
warped dome
they're in every template
I made 5 npvs, this is the 6th one
and i didnt require these components in my other 5
warped dome
What's the most baby step troubleshooting I can do with the eyeballs
red reef
custompath player default eyeballs from app?
warped dome
Ok so
warped dome
custompath player default eyeballs from app?
This works but it seems only non-gradient named apperances work (so just multilayer ones)
all gradient ones are broken even with full vanilla
file validation doesnt say anything is missing
so any gradient just straight up doesn't work
basically, these guys
red reef
all gradient ones are broken even with full vanilla
maybe fucked up because of the custom eyes framework?
warped dome
but how does it work on player V then
warped dome
hm
I will copy paste the array from the base game eyes
but this is 100% an apperance problem
the eyes work, it just cant find the appearance and it renders it invis
red reef
no
if the appearance isn't found, it renders the first appearance in the array
if the material isn't found it renders invis
warped dome
ah ok
my bad there
but now watch this
i replaced the materialBuffer entry with the one from the base eyes mesh
and i have something, but it does this now
now what
red reef
.. how about you take the template project from NExus and use that app file? 
outer minnowBOT
.. how about you take the template project from NExus and use that app file? <:H...
red reef
oh
warped dome
which is from angy
red reef
um
red reef
I usually copy the regular app over, rename the appearances, and then change the path of the facial anims
warped dome
same, but i do PM first then spawnable
like exactly same process
i just do pm first
red reef
you like to suffer, I take it? ๐
warped dome
What's the difference
It's like the same
Have to change the one path in each apperance both ways
red reef
you can spawn the AMM NPV and then have them spawn in front of you each time you log on
warped dome
ah you mean that
red reef
warped dome
red reef
tomorrow ScorpionTank will fix it
red reef
warped dome
what was it?
I imported the eyes from my own NPV which had the eye fix implemented on them, added to your NPV, imported your mesh over, then export the whole thing as JSON, did a whole fucking manual bone swap from your mesh to mine, imported back, added textures and it finally worked
red reef
oof
warped dome
Yeah this npv was a real challenge
red reef
I was just trying to create a title picture for my kunai 2.0
instead, I fixed several bugs in WKit 
red reef
the validating editor works properly now
warped dome
I have no idea what that is
warped dome
can you make the text centered
red reef
no
nimble basin
AG Chimken
nimble basin
I haven't touched this game in a month, I feel like I'm learning how to walk again without a body 
red reef
you and Jogny both
nimble basin
yes
digital oak
red reef
haha nice
warped dome
renderPlane should only be used for items that are visible in first person or it can be used for everything?
does it have negative impact on anything if i put renderPlane on boots?
red reef
yeah, they might clip
putting renderPlane on anything that's not sleeves risks them clipping in 1st person
warped dome
So i shouldn't put them on anything except things that go in FPP
red reef
except sleeves that go in FPP
like, torso items are fine
but I genuinely had a Netrunner suit acting up with switchy feet in 1st person
warped dome
understood
Time to undo all the renderPlane on all my mods because I copied same ent file on everything
red reef
can do it via json
warped dome
what about something that reaches upper torso and neck
turtleneck basically
this thing blocks vision, so i cut it in blender and hid it in fpp
does it need render plane?
the part that is not hidden in fpp
red reef
just the sleeves afaik
nimble basin
I am almost back from the milk store 
I have one probably silly question though
I've updated all my core mods and I have all the hard reqs, but the insets don't seem to want to show for me in fpp or pm. They do show in the inventory screen though
nimble basin
I will checkkkk
red reef
nobody else complained about it
red reef
nimble basin
Well at least it's probably me then, I can probably figure it out
red reef
or maybe not
warped dome
certified grovac moment
nimble basin
<a:rizz:1276493874994483255>
nimble basin
or maybe not
?
nimble basin
red reef
Did it work with any of the others?
red reef
Sorry choom, but I'm sure you are
nimble basin
Because of how it looked in the inv, I thought the insets were solid colors
But the black one looks clear, so idk, I'll test it with an emissive to be extra sure
The weird thing is, the prop is completely fine
red reef
Ah, the glass ones may look weird due to reflections etx
But prop and weapon should look the same, it's literally the same mesh
red reef
maybe ๐
red reef
maybe same material as the original? or white glass? or...
nimble basin
It's red scarlet
red reef
red scarlet glass, or red scarlet emissive?
nimble basin
It's the glass one, all the emissives seem to show as they should
But the glass ones either look like that, or are very subtle
red reef
ah, ok
yeah, they do look subtle, unfortunately :/ but it shouldn't be white
that's too subtle ๐
nimble basin
I tried a couple of the black hilt ones, and they make my screen blurry when I equip them
And don't show their name
I'm about to just reinstall lmao, my game has been giving me so many issues
red reef
mod remover...?
nimble basin
mayhaps
nimble basin
Oh absolutely, I was originally going do these just for me to spice up those photos I promised
But maybe I can send a few more folks your way with a release
warped dome
Sorry choom, but I'm sure you are
nimble basin
she right
red reef
ohhhh, I love them!
nimble basin
You can be honest And if you think of any other poses that complement your kunais I'm open to it
warped dome
Hey Mana, do you know if I mirrored an item, is there any way to also mirror the sticker on it? cuz it looks reversed here
What i meant is to not mirror the sticker placement after mirroring the mesh
red reef
Hey Mana, do you know if I mirrored an item, is there any way to also mirror the...
just flip that part of the UV?
warped dome
Ahh i didn't think of that i thought its wkit thing
thx
although i just realized it will point in the wrong direction and not make sense so ill remove this one in particular altogether
but will apply on others
red reef
๐ ok
warped dome
Until Psi adds the toggle tags, this is requirement
nimble basin
If I wanted to convert your Kunai into a photomode prop, would I have to undo some of the AXL magic to do so?
red reef
If I wanted to convert your Kunai into a photomode prop, would I have to undo so...
Yeah
but!
you can use the "generate missing appearances" button, I think?
red reef
nimble basin
Gonna get this out for previews today
nimble basin
It depends on your mods too, but I had to include the mesh for this particular pose
Unless you know another way I can put three in my hand like this
nimble basin
I wanna preview
Of course!
red reef
I take it as a compliment!
red reef
@nimble basin ayyyy you did it!
red reef
No hurry ๐
nimble basin
What have you been up to as of late? :0
red reef
lots of NPVs, lots of Wolvenkit development ๐ not much tangible stuff...
red reef
I did publish a few "play as..." heads
red reef
the hair works great! ๐
nimble basin
Is the correct place to hide submeshes via chunkmask on player clothing the appearancePartComponentOverrides array? My changes don't seem to reflect when I do this, but it works fine when done through ACM
red reef
yeah
nimble basin
drat
red reef
yw ๐
red reef
@warped dome, did you ever set up hair replacements with AXL?
warped dome
You mean hair mods that you equip via axl as items?
red reef
no, I mean that if you put on a hat, the game auto-loads some kind of hair for it
warped dome
Oh yeah my opscore has 6 hairs you can switch ingame via toggles
warped dome
idk, but i can tell you how i do it
just put the hair and its physics in its own ent file and add it to partsvalues array in app of the helmet
its that simple
as for how i let player switch between them ingame, i simply put all hairs ents in the opscore .app entry and their components are all chunkmasked on nothing
here comes the toggle items which have the tag that unchunkmasks the hair
check the mod out
warped dome
I have so many toggles now, wish Psi would get the time to add that feature we talked about
warped dome
Thank you, that helps โค๏ธ
And I could make even more great stuff with those conditional tags
In my opinion this is the future of axl clothing - it just saves so much time rather than doing individual items
warped dome
The reason I haven't done that yet is because on 2.13 my Otis tools crash my game on hotsample with CET installed.
I'm still a vper, so I need my game in vp functional state
red reef
have two installs?
warped dome
It would be the workaround, but I'd prefer having a single install
red reef
did you tell any of the tool devs about it?
warped dome
on otis there was discussion that overlay are the cause of it. This has actually happened to me before but things got fixed eventually on later updates. You need some context though which is that this only happens on amd
red reef
ugh, amd
warped dome
i have every overlay disabled on my pc and this happens only on 2.13 with the version specific otis tools
as for cet, haven't talked about it at all with them
warped dome
i cant ditch cet you know
red reef
not expecting you to
warped dome
like, i literally need it for shots too
red reef
I know that they're currently drilling it open though
nimble basin
warped dome
I know that they're currently drilling it open though
Looks like the creator of otis tools has reported this bug with some technical details beyond my understanding to the CET github. Is the cet team aware of this report? 
I'm praying it could get fixed so I can update my game finally 
https://github.com/maximegmd/CyberEngineTweaks/issues/975
red reef
I bet they are, but I'll post a heads-up
red reef
Looks like the creator of otis tools has reported this bug with some technical d...
problem is that this is blocked by imGui
warped dome
problem is that this is blocked by imGui
What does that mean?
Damn i read the ticket replies, I guess there's no hope for this being fixed now is it
red reef
dunno - you could go and bother the folks at imGui?
warped dome
What is imGui im clueless
I wouldn't have any technical facts to back up my complaints
I just don't know anything about this
warped dome
But why isn't this happening on previous version of games?
warped dome
red reef
you're looking at four complex systems interacting with each other
first, there's cyberpunk
then, there's your GPU driver
then, there's CET and the underlying library
and then there's OtisTools
warped dome
Well, it's just beyond my understanding
I get it though the problem is very niche
I suppose for me 2.12a is the final version of CP 
When I hotsample to the same aspect ratio, it doesn't crash. But I guess that's because the font doesn't get resized - which seems to be the issue discussed.
I know I'm probably putting extremely plain compared to what's in backend, but can't the font just not be resized
red reef
you're welcome! and some interlinking/transparency happened
red reef
When I hotsample to the same aspect ratio, it doesn't crash. But I guess that's ...
probably, yeah. Do annoy the imgui people, though
because the CET guys filed a pull request ofr this years ago, and they're not merging it
warped dome
probably, yeah. Do annoy the imgui people, though
this sounds like something Otis might want to do
I'm just an end user, can't complain about something technical
red reef
I'm just an end user, can't complain about something technical
no, but you can write "please fix, this is a huge blocker for me"
warped dome
This kind of complaint usually doesn't get anyone anywhere
Can tell you from my own appearance modding experience if a user tells me something this vague, I got nothing to do about it
Well, you probably know too
red reef
but they linked the PR over at imgui in the comment, no?
rugged hawk
And what suit?
quasi shuttle
Hey @warped dome, I would love to showcase one of your Kang Tao photo in my mod (in the form of a collectible card)!
If you're interested, could you send me a private message so we can discuss it, please? ๐ฅฐ