Modular Military Mask - ArchiveXL

[red reef]

some kung-fu-y stuff

[nimble basin]

Hmmmm

[red reef]

like, rolling over the partner's back to shoot at something in the blind spot

[warped dome]

Walking/standing poses

[red reef]

or one kneeling and the other using them as a jumping point

[nimble basin]

Huge brain

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-typing-busy-typewriter-writing-gif-16527898

[red reef]

one maintaing cover (holding riot shield)?

[nimble basin]

YES

I can do props now so that can actually happen

[red reef]

or, you know that scene from the hobbit where bard uses his kid as a tripod for the black arrow (which should rightfully have decapitated him)

like that, but with a sniper rifle

[nimble basin]

yeah, like this right?

[red reef]

I thought of something slightly more dignified, but that'll do in a pinch lmao

[warped dome]

[nimble basin]

[red reef]

also, dancing pose where one has the arms around the other's waist (but shooting) and the other has the arms around the other's neck (but shooting)

[nimble basin]

I like this idea, but I think I'll file it away for another set

[red reef]

two people operating a mounted gun..?

one holding ammo ready or somesuch

[nimble basin]

Yes, yes

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/ballistic-shield-blender-e68fd1b8e83d440fbc95154f76e29d1d

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

[red reef]

ahhhhh, nice

[warped dome]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/riot-shield-ed1b9733e2554b02871b2cddef79831b try this

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletano-fall-gif-12898771772448201665

[warped dome]

should i make it as dense as it is here or like it was before

[nimble basin]

I like the big shapes

[red reef]

Same

[warped dome]

so more enlarged

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-rock-band-headbanging-drums-gif-17123969

[nimble basin]

Yesh

[warped dome]

Yej

[warped dome]

ok, bigger tiles now

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thickness-is-perfect-emily-kim-maangchi-the-depth-is-perfect-the-thickness-is-excellent-gif-25538040

[warped dome]

we try a new patten entirely

[nimble basin]

do the thing

[warped dome]

my wkit is lagging so hard rn i am effectively full of joy

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-keyboard-pov-rainbow-gif-18000093419669070305

[warped dome]

https://tenor.com/view/punching-keyboard-rage-gamer-angry-mad-destroying-keyboard-gif-14624391

so what about this

[frail geyser]

The one thing I noticed with the shoulders and pauldrons is they clip

[warped dome]

clip with what

[frail geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1198350294401171496/1256737890138980403/image.png?ex=6681dbde&is=66808a5e&hm=1cab033942c2133644528d18dcd3ae6fa46dce6db41bf9bc6a17c8c899e2d372&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=735&height=1402 Look at the Pauldron and shoulder pad. They clip in to one another

[nimble basin]

veri spice, I like

[warped dome]

There is nothing I can do there

[frail geyser]

Fair

[warped dome]

You're not technically supposed to wear those together

Both of the thing are shoulder itema

I put them in different slots because people may not be bothered by the clipping, and would instead prefer the the nice round shape it gives I'm combination with the shoulder pad even if it clips

[nimble basin]

@frail geyser I see you cutting content, smh

[frail geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-i-do-what-the-fuck-did-i-do-the-wire-jimmy-mc-nulty-gif-7783289

[warped dome]

I will try adjusting this one tomorrow, I'd like a black and white pattern too

[nimble basin]

it is verigud

reminds me of this

[warped dome]

Also, see, I need to plan these out. For example specops, nightops and urban will use the same base, just accent and camo pattern are different

[nimble basin]

I seeeeee

[warped dome]

Moat people just use black variants, so these are not wasted efforts

I found a potentially good tile pattern, will check it tomorrow

Can also probably do multi color camos, but I'd need more masks slots and some items are quite literally full

[nimble basin]

sheeee

[warped dome]

Urban variant, same as nightops and specops, but with 10 variations of opacity on camo and orange accent

[red reef]

You know that you can define material-meshes and then patch them into others, yeah? 😄

[warped dome]

Wdym

resource patching?

this is all mlsetup stuff

inside the mlsetups

unless axl works inside mlsetups

[red reef]

yes, but you can for example... sec, let me show, it's easier

[warped dome]

[warped dome]

but i am doing this for refits

And its very useful

[red reef]

yeah 😄 my point was just, you can be even more lazy

they will never be able to find my materials... ahahahahaha

[warped dome]

you are using .mi

[red reef]

ish

but copying whole appearance definitions around is the next step 😄

[warped dome]

im pretty sure i optimized this as best as i could

I'm using a single mesh with materials, the materials are all dynamic

idk if there's anything else i can do

kind of using whole of axl already

i can tell you what i'd need from axl. i have many parts in mods, so i have many app, ent and roots. if there's any way i could reduce this number, that's what id need next

[red reef]

you can put everything into the same .app

and I recently learned that you an also put things into the same root entity now, although I don't feel very good doing that 😂

[warped dome]

and what if i need visual tags for a specific item

but not for other

anyway, that's the urban set done

this one has denser camo, with orange accent

denser camo works since it has 10 opacity levels of geometries on this pattern

now im done with these ultra dark ones, ill move down a level to ligther black

[red reef]

have them on a per-appearance base?

but yeah, a bunch of files doesn't hurt

[warped dome]

new pattern to attempt with

[red reef]

pixel camo!!

[warped dome]

So my plan is 30 variants in total, idk how many to make camos

6 from 30 will be pure black/white variants

so i have 24 to work with

-3 because militech, kang tao and trauma

21 left

I have seen people use burgundy so i guess i keep that

[nimble basin]

lmfao

[red reef]

😂

[nimble basin]

not legs?

Beautiful weapppp

Did you fix the inventory issue?

[red reef]

uhhh, which? 😄

ah! Right! Yes!

[nimble basin]

What was the cause?

[red reef]

I had set up the appearanceName for dynamic variants in the hopes of saving some work

It did not enjoy that

[nimble basin]

oof

[red reef]

Currently really unhappy with my glass materials

might have to go back to reverse-engineer those bottles

[nimble basin]

big sadge

[red reef]

I absolutely had tinted transparent glass

Just need to look up which exact shader I used for it 😄

[nimble basin]

Hmmmmmmm

[warped dome]

[warped dome]

New camo set "Alpine". Brand new camo, new base variant (basically dark grey instead of black) and with white accent

[nimble basin]

verigud verigud

[warped dome]

I'm trying to plan my 30 variants out:

• 3 camo variants with Void base (Specops/Nighops/Urban)
• 3 camo variants with Black base (Alpine/Enforcer/Digital)
• 2 camo variants with White base (Arctic/Zealot)
• 2 camo variants with unknown base (Arid/Coyote)
• 3 faction camos with slightly lighter than black bases (Militech/KangTao/Arasaka - this one has only solid color)
• 1 Trauma team variant, modified base from faction ones
• 6 solid non colors (Void/Black/Charcoal/Grey/White/Snow)

and im left with 10 slots

Which i can do either more camos, or solid colors

[nimble basin]

Hmmm

I'd love to have some solid colors to mix with all the camo stuff

I'd say a yellow set for sure, that mixed with some of your black camos would be a godly combo

Maybe a whole set in Militech yellow, would work on the militech stuff, the darker camos, and on its own too probably

[warped dome]

yellow?

[nimble basin]

Yes

black accent

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-dance-cat-shake-dance-cat-wiggle-shake-gif-7275729331624892207

camo for fighting in the banana plantation

[warped dome]

out of all colors, yellow?

[nimble basin]

Trust

[warped dome]

i never seen anyone use yellow even in casual fits

yellow as accent maybe

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-24522104

[warped dome]

for real

have you see anyone dress in yellow

[nimble basin]

I forgive them for their sins

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/3333/images/14563/14563-1715045336-420047201.jpeg

Now you have

[warped dome]

this is the current situation

the ones without mark are up for either saving or replacing

i do see people use burgundy

and pink

most people use blacks

or whites

[nimble basin]

Yellow goes very well with black

[warped dome]

ok give a camo pattern for it

seamless square

[nimble basin]

It would work best as a solid color imo

[warped dome]

solid yellow????

[nimble basin]

With black accents

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[warped dome]

there isn't much of yellow in mlsb

[nimble basin]

[warped dome]

im not kidding

[nimble basin]

I thought you could just override it?

[warped dome]

I can but I'd really like not to because then I have to make many overrides

cuz yellow, literally doesnt exist

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner2049-ryan-gosling-gif-24048514

[warped dome]

pick a green or something

i took away all greens

maybe a green one would be ok

[nimble basin]

Greens go hard

[warped dome]

with camo

I can do single color camo

Just like with militech and all other patterns

[nimble basin]

Go fer it

[warped dome]

Although, eh, I should probably just go over mlmasks again

See if I can shrink some layers in to add another microblend

I could do a camo with dual colors then

Like you have idk, a Grey base on which you put idk, red and green pixel camo

But I need one more layer in mlmask, ik how to make microblends for this to work

[nimble basin]

Christmas camo

[warped dome]

I'm sure people would be more likely to use stuff like ncpd, maxtac or barghest even if they don't have camos, just colors

[nimble basin]

porhapsss

[warped dome]

I guess I can replace some of the solid colors with those

Problem with barghest is same as with your Yellow

Needs overrides, but it'd be only for accent

[nimble basin]

big sad

My dreams of being the biggest target on the battlefield, ruined

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/randy-savage-correct-one-million-percent-gif-15828630

[warped dome]

I have so much to do to update these mods, I'm lucky if I finish the updates by the end of summer

[nimble basin]

It's looking outstanding so far thoooo

Paying off for sure

[frail geyser]

Do you think the Faction Variants can be released? Add in all others later? I'm sort of really in need of the Militech one. All my gear is mismatched and terrible

[warped dome]

No, everything thing will be at once

[red reef]

green/black

matrix look :3

[nimble basin]

True

[warped dome]

There's digital set with green accent

[red reef]

hmmmm

you have a snow set yet?

[warped dome]

Yeah I have like 2 whites

One with light blue accent, other is red

[red reef]

hmmmm

how about neon camo? or pink?

[warped dome]

Ill go over mlmasks again to see if I can squeeze another microblend layer

So I can make dual color camos at least

[nimble basin]

I too have a related comment

Does any navel high hosiery exist in this game?

[red reef]

you mean pantyhoses?

[warped dome]

idk what you asked

[nimble basin]

[warped dome]

[nimble basin]

I guess? I see most stockings end at the hips, and I'd like something higher

[frail geyser]

Yeah pantyhose

[nimble basin]

Trying to fit them under something like this

[red reef]

garmentSupport XD

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-sad-gif-3806846082438439943

If I wanted to be giga lazy, could I make some kind of pantyhose tattoo instead?

[red reef]

of course 😄

but it's usually easy since you can just skin the lower body

just feet are a bitch

I also have a pantyhose mod in the pipeline. Somewhere waaaayy down.

[nimble basin]

I wanted it just for a preview image, so I guess I'll try to learn tattoos real quick

It's just textures, how hard can it be?

[red reef]

😂

[frail geyser]

Why is modding akin to masochism?

At least you all make it seem akin to

[nimble basin]

It's not that bad, come join us

https://tenor.com/view/modding-gif-21578924

[red reef]

I hate modding, it's awesome

[nimble basin]

See? Glowing reviews, nothing to be afraid of

[frail geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/battlestargalactica-starbuck-sorry-katee-sackhoff-kara-thrace-gif-6097456

[nimble basin]

The mod support channels are a conspiracy created by CDPR to make people believe modding is anything but drag, drop, and pressing the install button in Wolvenkit. Otherwise we'd have too many modders and it'd upset the balance of Nexus

But don't tell anyone else that

[warped dome]

ok i added a second microblend layer to all mods that needed it

now i should be able to make double color camos

[warped dome]

digital set next. triangle pixels with green accent

[red reef]

[warped dome]

[frail geyser]

[red reef]

here we gooo

[frail geyser]

Oooooh

[nimble basin]

shiiiinnnnnyyyyyy

[red reef]

I have gold, bronze, dark and light steel, and black iron

7 different emissives and 15 shades of glass

three different hilts

search&replace in selection my beloved

[warped dome]

no way to get props to work on replacer poses?

[nimble basin]

wot

[warped dome]

props what work on nibbles replacer

[nimble basin]

Not that I'm aware of, if I had to guess it'd probably work if you could figure out how to give them a weapon

But you can't as far as I know, and player made anims dont seem to select from the inventory. You either get a placeholder or the weapon you're currently holding

What are you trying to do exactly though?

[red reef]

You can add them from the, uh, ent?

[nimble basin]

hmmmmmmm

I may have to experiment with this when I'm back home

[red reef]

it's somehow possible. I know that there are mods doing it

I saw in the anim of the child playing with the cans how to do it

[nimble basin]

But I guess that way they can only use the weapon placed in their components? So you'd have to have an appearnce for each weapon you'd want?

[red reef]

I think you can add the entity with the prop directly, or something...?

Probably, yeah. Unless you could somehow script that / use RHT

[nimble basin]

Hmmmm

[nimble basin]

This is amazing btw

[red reef]

it's gonna be good. Just have to take preview pictures without losing my will to live.

[nimble basin]

Do you need help?

[red reef]

if you're offering, absolutely

I thought about making, like, a bunch of inkatlas files

maybe photoshop 😄

[nimble basin]

Hmmm, I need to get a better understanding of this process anyway

I may not have too much time today or tomorrow, but if you're ready for a minion on Wednesday I can start

[red reef]

I'm so ready for a minion lmao

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-gif-22999859

[red reef]

just need to fix the damn projectile

honestly, search and replace is such a great feature

[nimble basin]

It is extremely good, I don't think I've used WK's yet but I wear Notepad++'s out daily 😂

[red reef]

I've implemented that one 😂

still ironing out the kinks, obviously, but... 🙂

[nimble basin]

0.0

[warped dome]

I wanted to pose So Mi with katana

But my disappointment is immeasurable, and whatever is left of this day is quite frankly ruined

[nimble basin]

Does it need to be through the Nibbles replacer?

[warped dome]

Da

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-homelander-gif-26218105

[warped dome]

It doesn't matter anymore, I took a different So Mi shot

[warped dome]

Digital set done

[nimble basin]

verigud

Hmmm does anyone know what kind of issue this is? It happens after I enable vtk

[indigo cedar]

You have non-matching frameworks. But you should be asking these questions in #mod-troubleshooting

[nimble basin]

Okie doke

[red reef]

[warped dome]

So I searched for more IVAS system helmets but only found 2, and the one that might be a slight gamble is the best

Also it doesn't come with a headset

[warped dome]

Just so you guys know, I now made my own server. Advertising is not allowed here i believe so the invite is in my profile if you wanna join. I will update about my progress there, but I will continue here as well

[red reef]

it is allowed, just, like, don't spam the link everywhere?

you can absolutely put it on your release threads

(and I won't join, I have too many servers and all but two are on permamute)

[warped dome]

ye ye np

I wont post it anywhere

Except like here

i will still continue updating here

Cuz here you are active

So for anyone interested to join, there is this now, one and nly invite, I'm not putting it anywhere else + update notices will continue in this channel https://discord.gg/fsH9xvpCVt

Shit logo, pls dont roast me too hard

aight, with that done

I move on to next camo

So this next one i thought i lost it

(In reality i did)

but i did find a PS project where i had it saved

so now is converted to this

I made a small plan

See, I'm thinking 12 of the 30 variants to be custom microblends

3 black camos/ 3 dark grey / 2 white/ 2 desert themed / 2 green themed

Then I have militech/trauma/kangtao and maybe, but this one will be hard, the orbital air black ops one

i will need to investigate these dudes, because idk how their microblend or camo pattern exists

then there's a bunch of corpo-like factions which could be worth a variant

NCPD/MaxTac and Barghest

Barghest has a mix, I will need to get creative there

There is also Arasaka, which has 2 variants, but none with camo

The goal is 8 or 10 faction focused variants

and everything else is solid variants

[nimble basin]

veri sicc veri sicc

[red reef]

looking forward to it ❤️

[warped dome]

Arctic

[red reef]

Pretty!

[warped dome]

It took me so long because I had to change every material path from my overrides to base game

to every item

Now I will do Zealot camo which is same as this but different camo and red accent

[red reef]

You, uh, know that you can do batch replacement via nitepax++ in json, right?

[warped dome]

Perhaps, but too late now, this was the one time it was needed to be done

[red reef]

OK ❤️

[warped dome]

Barghest attempt. The accent color is an override, but its quite close to their logo on vanilla

[red reef]

I like it ❤️

[red reef]

h-huh

I just noticed that with my material library, I can retroactively make additional materials available as long as I don't use normals 👀

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-write-down-notes-writing-memo-gif-17395025

[red reef]

like, I have a bunch of meshes in there who just have the material on all submeshes, and I can patch them in...

[nimble basin]

How were you doing it before? You had the texture assigned to the actual item?

[red reef]

I had the appearance and material in the actual item

[nimble basin]

ohhhhhhhhh

I GET IT

that's really cool

[red reef]

Unfortunately, these have normals

[nimble basin]

big sadge

[red reef]

but this is already insanely lazy, because I have all the materials in a single mesh 😄

[nimble basin]

I love lazy

so much

[red reef]

psiiiiii this needs to be even more modular

[nimble basin]

lmao

[warped dome]

How many knives you makin

[red reef]

all of them

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13542

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, I am doing some technical updates to my AXL projects. Multiple ent files can't be combined together?

For individual items, in same fashion I can do to app

[red reef]

I think they can?

[warped dome]

I have this organized mess currently

i also did this, single mesh, all fully dynamic with submeshes, so instead of 2 billion meshes, i just this one with dynamic materials, and i chunkmask what i dont need to make individual items

cann i squish everything into a single app, ent, root and still be left with all my items modular?

It would be sick if i could do this, i guess i try

I think i need to use partOverrides againn in app for this

[red reef]

yes

you'd have to use partsOverrides

[warped dome]

is this path here required ?

componentName refers to this?

[red reef]

no, but if you put it, then ArchiveXL won't handle the override for you

and yes

[warped dome]

I saw, it said in file validation

What about the csv, this is a bit confusing, with a single root file, how is it able to tell apart which component to use?

they all use the same root

which looks like this

I have no errors or warnings in file validation

But i dont quite get it how its able to tell components apart, unless it doesn't. im making the json and yaml then i can finally test ingame

[red reef]

the factory tells the game which root entity to use for any given entityName in the yaml

the appearance name from the root entity is picked per appearanceName

[warped dome]

So it should work

Hmm, well, I finished, time to see what happens ingame

I have no validation messages

After I fix the materials that is

I'm going ingame

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/survive-army-soldier-gif-14341653

[warped dome]

Entire mesh is being loaded on each item

idk what to do

right lets see

the appearances seem to be picked correctly

names and colors match

the only problem is that whatever item i equip, it equips whole mesh

i chunkmasked both in ent in app

how do i troubleshoot this?

[nimble basin]

I thought the appearanceName was supposed to be left blank for dynamic appearances?

[warped dome]

i try

[nimble basin]

If it is, it defaults to the name which looks the same in your case, but not sure if it'd cause any issues with whatever other magic you're doing

[warped dome]

i dont know exactly, like the appearances work fine

correct mlsetups load

its just that whole mesh loads

when it should load only a submesh from it

yeah that actually didn't change anything at all

[nimble basin]

I have no idea, my understanding of daxl is very tentative

But maybe that can save you some typing in the future, you only need the "name" I'm pretty sure

[warped dome]

i didn't have it to begin with, since i always had 1 item

[nimble basin]

dam

[warped dome]

ah it says its default to name

yeah makes sense

hence why nothing changed

so where my problem be then hmm

[warped dome]

Hey mana, there may be minor file validation bug

I'm getting this warning
[7/11/2024 5:47:41 PM] [Warning ] Appearance arctic_camo has only 1 of 6 submesh appearances assigned. Meshes without appearances will render as invisible.

however its irrelevant

Because i have everything defined in the alpine_camo

and ingame everything works correctly

[warped dome]

120 items, with just these files. I modify 1 mesh, all gets affected. automatic refit selection, dynamic materials, resource patching, ive used 110% of all my axl knowledge

[red reef]

and, how does it feel? 😄

[warped dome]

Like I'm not done yet

[warped dome]

Well, I finished the bodysuit. I was going to take icons in blender but the export of dynamic material doesn't work for me, is it functional?

[red reef]

Ummmm

👀

I'm not sure. I thought it was.

you can probably use "generate msising materials" from the materials command dropdown for that

I mean, to generate a glb for Blender with static materials

[warped dome]

Is this in blender or wkit?

[red reef]

wkit

[warped dome]

I don't see in export settings, where is this dropdown

is this in my wkit version? im on stable

[red reef]

Nightly of course

oh, for now, that only works for the baseMaterial

but it can substitute {material} in paths if you make it variable :3

[warped dome]

Heyy Mana, how do I use this

[red reef]

you put the path to your base material in there. If you use {material}, it will substitute

[warped dome]

ahh

wait let me show if i do this right

this one?

annd what about the resolve dynamic paths checkbox

[red reef]

It'll resolve * and material

instead of just adding them

I need to document this XD

[warped dome]

What is this supposed to do, fill chunk materials in appearances?

[red reef]

it generates materials for chunk materials

I think it can handle dynamic materials? the "resolve" in that part is for NPVs...? Not sure anymore.

Try around with it 😄

Like. If you set up your appearances first and now need to create materials

[warped dome]

so i put both the path you see there, and one without * and {material} - i just put the path of a mlsetup

[red reef]

that's your base material

[warped dome]

in both cases it generated chunk materials to all appearances

[red reef]

ah, hmm. OK, I should probably document that. Or add another checkbox. 😄

It's somewhat unusable as it is right now

[warped dome]

[red reef]

I know that I wrote this for un-dynamifying a mesh for an NPV

[warped dome]

I want to do this so that i can import materials in blender

[red reef]

ahh, yes, that too! 😄

Then click the button and fill in the missing stuff by hand

[warped dome]

this is what it did

[red reef]

you had the first appearance set up with a dynamic material as chunkmask, and the others had empty chunks, right?

And ArchiveXL generated the chunks?

[warped dome]

yes

[red reef]

yeah, ok 😄

if you'd have checked "resolve dynamic materials", it would have generated static material entries for everything

but it can't add Values yet, so that will only work with .mi files

[warped dome]

The json looks far more promising now, but importing in blender there is no material entry at all

is it the depot againn

[red reef]

IDK

[warped dome]

well ill press to generate and go eat

i hope the blender plugin can import microblends

[red reef]

in general it can

[warped dome]

its just camo microblends, i have like 12 of them

they are sitting on commonn materials

[warped dome]

damn, i regenerated depot but still nothing imported, rip

Future me problem i guess

[red reef]

😄

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, I have interesting dilemma. Remember when I said if i can hide some straps and show them back when certain items are equipped

Well I did it

But the question is how do I call this feature

I can't really say it's a dynamic mesh because it's not

Although it adjusts itself thanks to the hide/show tags depending on what you wear

[red reef]

smart straps? smart hiding?

[warped dome]

hmm

I mean I'm definitely doing this for all my mods

See, not only the 2 straps appear when the pouches are attached, but the the harness alone without pouches it equips, a skin tight refit is loaded

when the pouches are added, then the refit that accomodates pouches is loaded

i refitted this for all bodies now

[warped dome]

How about, Smart Mesh

Now that sounds lowkey kinda baller

[red reef]

ehhh, people are just gonna assume that the straps are part of the pouches tbh

[warped dome]

you can equip pouches alone and they wont appear

also the harness itself changes shape anyway

so its more than just those straps

side note: do i need to patch meshes that are linked? (basically they dont exist)

[red reef]

IDK if I'D advertise it at all, but "smart meshes" sounds as good a buzzword as any

[warped dome]

alright

I will advertise it, because i will make a radio accessory mod that will just load different refits depending on what you wear

so you know, it doesnt clip

who needs GS when you have this?

[red reef]

😄

everyone, wayyyy to complex otherwise

[warped dome]

true true

[nimble basin]

I need this in my life

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, so you know this custom tag hide and show system. But what about appearances, can i load different appearances in the same manner? like let's say I equip item X, and this causes item Y to change appearance to appearance_2 for example

[red reef]

good question

I don't know!

[warped dome]

I don't think we can do this, I thought this through to best of abilities

[red reef]

I mean

you could in theory add an extra component

with extra appearances. Maybe even dynamically colour it.

[warped dome]

oh hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

That i didn't think

That

[red reef]

[warped dome]

may actually work

A bit tedious

But i think it should be possible this way

I was thinking for this to use on LEDs

Like I don't want to have 2 billion items

I can make customization

By using this feature

Imagine you equip 10 items and some have LEDs, so then you just equip a color deciding item and all LEDs from these items change to that color

[red reef]

you can just use tags to show and hide submeshes?

[warped dome]

yeyeyeyey I just realized

Damn this is more sick than I thought

We show and hide submeshes, but in fact a submesh is a whole mesh with a single apperance, is that what you're thinking?

in a separate component

of the same ent file

[red reef]

sure, you can do that 😄

[warped dome]

But is it not possible to have something like this in the overrides on the xl file?
component_name: {appearanceName: "green" }

[red reef]

IDK, you'd have to ask psi

[warped dome]

Damn I need to do the eex thing you reminded me of psi

[red reef]

😄

[warped dome]

Is there a deadline for it?

[red reef]

IDK, I don't think so

[warped dome]

Gonna be saying some potentially mad shit now, but can button be used to hide/show chunkmeshes? Either way I wouldn't know how to implement it myself but I'm curious

Ah it wouldn't be efficient anyway, because it'd be locked for 1 item

[red reef]

yes

ngl, I've been toying with the idea of making that for a long time 😂

[warped dome]

Must be a better way though no?

unless

You equip an item and inside the inventory you hover over it, press a button and that hides or shows submeshes

because you can't bind a button to an item. what if I will have more items that could use same feature? bind more buttons? not good

Imagine potential future of cloth modding. Instead of 2 million variants, you have a single item, and just like with EEX where you can hover over an item and change its slot by changing F, you hold another button like C which opens up a menu where you can select appearance and shape

[red reef]

you could probably steal the code for that from ACM

problem there might be to make it persistent?

[warped dome]

I wouldn't know how to do this, I was just curious. Will wait until someone makes the discovery

[red reef]

😄

[warped dome]

Already using most of AXL features for clothing if not all

[red reef]

❤️

[warped dome]

[warped dome]

Ok so you remember that LED thing we discussed a day ago

I think I have a better idea

See, I could just duplicate the LED meshes (that are fused on the headset) inside the equipable one (which is for the mask). All i do is hide the default mesh on the headset and instead i use this new one with the colored one

My theory says it works

By default all LEDs are hidden and are only revealed when a mesh is equipped like the mask

ok maybe i dont explain this well but in my head it all works

[red reef]

you could maybe get somewhere with the HidePArt mechanisms

[warped dome]

can i do this? or not sure how to say, its a single materialBuffer entry thats the same across all variants, but obv i don't wannt to write the chunkmaterials on every appearance

[red reef]

I don't think so

how should AXL know what chunkmaterials it should assign?

it can auto-populate them from the first entry, but that's it

[warped dome]

yeah yeah that

I just dont have a mlsetup

its like the same thing all over

can it be autopopulated anyway?

from the first entry

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

this is the same for all

does it need @

[red reef]

idk. Do you need it to do anything dynamic?

if not, then you can also use a regular material

[warped dome]

ah ok so @ is not actually related to autopopulating chunkmasks

its just for dynamic stuff

got it thx

will use regular

[red reef]

yeah

[warped dome]

Hmm the override chunkmask thing doesn't work in between mods? like if i equip an item from mod 1, it cant unhide submeshes from mod 2?

Ok it does work, then wtf am I doing wrong

aha so i cant put both show and hide under the same tag

https://tenor.com/view/bruised-vergil-dmc-dmc5-devil-may-cry5-gif-17886468

[warped dome]

Hey Mana I have weirdest issue ever.
Item A from mod 1 is using custom tags to show and hide chunkmasks on Item B from mod 2.

But 3 of my testers are getting a consistent crash that I can't replicate when opening photomode with item A and B equipped.

Just when opening photomode, not playing or equipping normally.
How do I troubleshoot this?

Ah wait ill ask this in axl

[warped dome]

Yo Mana, i figured out a scuffed way to do that toggle position of a mesh I talked about a while ago. I just make an item called "toggle" and when you equip it, it will just override hide and show submeshes, that's it. the downside is that it takes an eex slot (although i have already saved many with the overrides, so I have spares, not to mention the EEX rework). but the upside is that i cut in half the amount of items I need to make for the meshes in 2 positions

[red reef]

awesome 😄

al for having fewer meshes lmao

[warped dome]

I did some maths, this Opscore helmet goes down from 346 items to 70-80 after i do all the funny overrides

Damn, epic feature ngl

[warped dome]

also i succeeded doing this

works exactly as planned

actual RGB sync

[red reef]

😄 niiiice

[warped dome]

But maybe, would it be possible to have an AXL feature like, let's say you hold F over an item (or any button) and it allows the end user to select a preset of overrides?

now that would be cool

[red reef]

if you can formalize that idea, there's no reason why you shouldn't ask psi about it 🙂

[warped dome]

What you mean formalize

[red reef]

as in, he'd ask what you want him to program 😄

[warped dome]

ahhh

i need to think this one a little

[red reef]

yeah 🙂

[warped dome]

ok, i thought about it

i think, the most convenient option would be to add another property interpolation tag

[red reef]

How so?

[warped dome]

you tag a mesh lets say *mesh_{position}_{body}
and you tag another *mesh_{position}_{body}

in the EEX interface you have a new button when you hover over items with this tag enabled, when you hold it over the item, an interface identical to change position appears where you can select one of these position. it can choose between the items with this {position}. does this make sense or im saying mad shit?

wait hold on

what i meant is

*mesh_{position}_{body} this goes in the depotPath

and you name the mesh like mesh_postion_1_base_body and mesh_postion_2_base_body

[red reef]

huh

I don't think that's doable because the positions would have to be known at compiletime at least

I mean, I guess you could just put them into the yaml

[warped dome]

hm alright

but the chunkmask overrides do work

[red reef]

those aren't mesh path replacements

[warped dome]

yes

we scrap what i said earlier

[red reef]

😂

[warped dome]

i mean, is there any way, you could 'activate' a visualTag ingame via a button/interface?

because then you'd do everything as is anyway

put the stuff in xl, put the tags in app

but how you activate them

as in, have their overrides take effect

honestly, i dont know much coding, but visual tags dont seem like a thing you could do anything with once they're set

im full of mad ideas

I think for now, I'll just do my thing, I still have to do eex slot list rework and maybe after I request more features from psi

[red reef]

IDK

😄

[warped dome]

What happens if I have 2 identical code entries in yaml?

Will I get a duplicate when I input the code or just one of them spawns

[red reef]

the latter

[warped dome]

Okey Thanks

im guessing same happens if the codes exist in 2 or more yamls

[red reef]

yeah

[warped dome]

alright good to know thx

i shall use

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, any idea where I should look for this issue: Equipping item in vanilla slot freezes my game and requires task manager, but equipping same item in EEX is all fine

I never had this before

[red reef]

#psiberstuff

[warped dome]

Aight

Honestly, it's quite incredible how i run into issues I've never seen before

First I'll get my testers actually, my game suffered irreversible damage yesterday after a vortex mod deployment got interrupted and fucked all my mods

Maybe it's my game issue

[red reef]

mod remover and redeploy

ez

[warped dome]

the redeploy didn't work because what happened is i got all my files deleted from enabled archives

so the solution was to reinstall each

[red reef]

sounds as if the vortex cache had gotten corrupted

has zero to do with the game

[warped dome]

well yes, its a vortex thing

game is like, fine

i took the opportunity to update everything while fixing the mess

which honestly is my fault

for creating it

so now my bodysuit does this funny behaviour where it freezes the game while equipping it in vanilla slot

the file validation always complains i dont have a male version of the mesh, but is it a problem? if male V saves load the mod will the mod appear in their shop?

or if attempting to add via code

[red reef]

No, it'll probably crash

[warped dome]

fuck

is there anything i can do about it?

[red reef]

If you don't want a male version, don't use {gender} substitution

or make sure that your components/appearances are limited to the female body gender

[warped dome]

yeah this, how can i do this

let me see docs

aha its this

can be used together with gender substitution?

or i get rid of it, and just use this instead

[red reef]

you can mix and match everything

[warped dome]

this must be put both in app and inside ent names or one is enough? im using tpp condition in some of the ents names

[red reef]

one is enough

[warped dome]

thanks

[red reef]

but

you generally don't want to use the ent

[warped dome]

hm

[red reef]

because it'll spawn all these components and add them to the player app

so you might have ten components and in the end nine of them will do nothing

not pretty

[warped dome]

so is this illegal?

[red reef]

it's not illegal

but you could achieve the same via either path substitution or partsOverride from the app file

[warped dome]

hmm

[warped dome]

ok, then the better question, is this problematic? will it load both of componets every time regardless of fpp/tpp?

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

i see

[red reef]

the not-matching one will simple be disabled

but it will still be there

[warped dome]

and what about this... same?

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

damn

[red reef]

that one is definitely a case for substitution

[warped dome]

ahh, do i do this entire thing in app?

[red reef]

nah, just via mesh name

sleeve_r_{arms}.mesh or so

[warped dome]

in this case, all I do, is hide the mesh when one of those arms are used in fpp, i dont actually have a mesh

is there a better way to do this?

[red reef]

via .app?

and partsOverride?

appearanceName&arms=base, everything else will do nothing

[warped dome]

let me understand this, if I add a condition in app, then i can use the chunkmask available in partOverride?

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

but not when i dont have a condition

[red reef]

but you'll always have a condition

[warped dome]

ah so its like if i dont explicitly add something, there's a default one?

[red reef]

unless V has no arms

[red reef]

if you don't add conditionals in the app file via name, then the app will just match

if you add them, then empty appearances will not load

e.g appearanceName&gender=w will show up empty for masc V

[warped dome]

okey and if its just appearanceName, no condition at all

shows up for both?

[red reef]

yeah

[warped dome]

aight

can i have multiple conditions in app? like how do i say its gender and tpp at the same time

[red reef]

yeah

I don't know from the top of my head how, but the wiki has documentation

[warped dome]

this must be it

[red reef]

yeah

[warped dome]

i had the impresssion this was for yaml only

because of the !

[red reef]

no, it's for anything with substitutions. IDK how it works, though

[warped dome]

[red reef]

maybe you can actually match to !black

IDK, psi dumped those in my lap and I never investigated

[warped dome]

got it

[warped dome]

Yeah

I think because of the ent conditions

I have these problems

I can see the sleeve item "flicker" when i equip it

flicker, by that for a brief second they are one apperance, and then it gets to the one i selected

this doesn't seem to happen with the items that don't have the conditions in ent

also, my issue with the crashin is just gone now, i dont know what fixed it or if im lucky

[red reef]

heh, nice

[warped dome]

do you know is this name here relevant in any way with dynamic axl?

I'm also not sure if this one is needed

is the first one referring to the component name in app

[warped dome]

this

[warped dome]

i spoke too soon

[red reef]

sure it's relevant. how else would the game know what you're targeting?

[warped dome]

Got it got it

but its targeting ent comonents, is that correct?

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

alright

so it must match the name of my components

[warped dome]

and about this

for some reason

it happens when i have the EEX slot equipped

[red reef]

Uh

[warped dome]

and i attempt to equip the item in vanilla

[red reef]

so it crashes with EEX but not with vanilla?

[warped dome]

Basically

no

Have anything equipped in Wardrobe

doesn't matter what

and then i try to equip my item in vanilla slot

and it freezes

not crash

[red reef]

ok, you might wanna ask psi about that

or

actually, I'd completely switch this to .app first

and make sure that there are no non-existing substitutions etc.

[warped dome]

Ok

First, i shall fix my tpp thing via app

then adress this issue

[warped dome]

and about this one

what's the purpose of this name

must it match anything?

componentName is for the ent component this now i finally understand

[red reef]

it's literally that

I guess I forgot to set "isValueExtrapolated"

[warped dome]

ahhhhhhhhhh

well my Wkit wasn't updating

sry

[red reef]

are you on the latest Nightly?

[warped dome]

no no, im on stable

[red reef]

because if so, then I have to fix that

Ah

Check Nightly, then

[warped dome]

yeah i have nightly too

i dont know on which one to work

[red reef]

Nightly

!nightly

[twin wing]

Wolvenkit Nightly

By using the Wolvenkit Nightly (Alpha) instead of the stable release, you get access to fixes and features while they are still under development – and the unique chance to discover exciting new bugs! By reporting them on github, you're helping the team to find and fix them before they can sneak into the stable version and ruin a Nexus user's day.

Advice: Rarely, the integration of new features can result in a really broken Nightly. For that case, you might want to keep a second install of Wolvenkit around!

[warped dome]

The unique chance to discover exciting new bugs doesn't sound too amazing considering i keep running into issues literally no one else has

ok, i succeded the tpp thing in app

thanks for help

[red reef]

yw

well, right now it's just me working on that

and I can fix those bugs on a daily basis pretty much 😄

[red reef]

can you check if this is gone?

as in, if the refresh works?

[warped dome]

on stable?

[red reef]

nightly

[warped dome]

ok let me open nightly

[red reef]

I fixed most stable bugs that I could fix easily. I'm currently trying to get the Nightly ready for another release

there's one big bug in there (project browser nested/flat switch does nothing)

[warped dome]

yeah it automatically refreshes on nightly

whoa this is epic

see i told you

i run into issues NO ONE ran into before

is there something wrong with this?

[rigid timber]

I’ve had issues with an item floating off the body like that before and the culprit was the .ent

Issue with the GS component

[warped dome]

Don't even have GS on this

[warped dome]

i dont get it, its like the sleeves suddenly lost their rig or something

[red reef]

maybe they lost their root component?

[warped dome]

i dont know whats going on

im actually completely lost now

my entire bodysuit is crashing the game

[red reef]

start over with dynamic app files

use my example project from Nexus

keep it super simple for now

then expand

[warped dome]

I reverted back to before i made any changes to app and ents

everything works but its with the ent conditions

i dont know if the problems are my project, my game, or actual bugs

ill take a break and eat something

[red reef]

Do taht

[warped dome]

alright, time to do everything step by step again

see where it gets fucked

[red reef]

🤞

[warped dome]

this refers to the name in app, correct?

[red reef]

appearanceName refers to the name in the app

if you leave it blank for dynamic variants, it will take the name

[warped dome]

got it

thanks

one of my testers managed to replicate the issue with apperances changing randomly

[red reef]

😄 nice

[warped dome]

hell if i know whats happening

[red reef]

weird

[warped dome]

happnes to me too

question

should i do chunkmasking in ENT or APP in parts overrides?

[red reef]

I'd set the ent to the default that I want to be the default, and put everything else into the overrides

[warped dome]

Understood. The situation is that i have this single mesh, and multiple ents from which i make my items

from this i make 4 items

[red reef]

yeah

[warped dome]

by using 4 ents with chunkmasking

ok but i got it

[red reef]

you'd have different components though

so that'll be okay

If you leave the entity path in the PartsOverrides blank, then AXL will handle everything for you

[warped dome]

perhaps i need to explicitly put it, i will try anyway, i dont know whats up with this random apperance switching

[red reef]

don't do it

all components will end up in the player entity

the paths don't matter

[warped dome]

oh wait

ok another question

do i need to make anything here if i dont use anything?

the whole PartComponentOverrides

[red reef]

"if I dont use anything"?

[warped dome]

wait

i need to understand this, why do i need partsOverides?

[red reef]

to modify components that are not in the .app file itself

you know how NPCs have all their components in the .app, right?

[warped dome]

alright, and lets say the way a component is in ent, that's how i want it

[warped dome]

yeah

[red reef]

but for AXL, the components have to be in .ent files

because of timing stuffs

[warped dome]

ok so, what happens if i do this

just nothing

[red reef]

exactly

[warped dome]

i dont need to modify the component

i like it how it is in ent

[red reef]

then you don't need partsOverrides at all#

[warped dome]

so then the array can look like this

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

ok but now comes another question. I don't need to modify a component in app. then if i have this, is it problematic?

identical chunkmask as in ent

[red reef]

no, just unnecessary.

and you'll forget about it and then be very confused in a year or two

I wouldn't recommend that

[warped dome]

not entirely, psi actually figured this to be a solution when i had a bug report about items rendering for a brief second, and blocking vision, while in the camera transitions from fpp to tpp in vehicles

[red reef]

Oh, OK

that's good to know

[warped dome]

so, in conclusion, doing this doesn't actually have any negative impact?

its just useless if not for this tpp/fpp bug fix

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

ok

ill try it

maybe it breaks something, maybe it fixes something or does nothing

theory says it does nothing

[red reef]

😄

[warped dome]

im doing this

[red reef]

Good

[warped dome]

ok but what about this bad boy

in partOverrides

what happens if I just put *{variant.1}_{variant.2}

[red reef]

leave it blank for dynamic

Don't, it breaks 😄

[warped dome]

ok now hold on

blank... this? or this?

because this is not blank in the literal sense of things

[red reef]

set it to 0

[warped dome]

hmm

[red reef]

otherwise it's not empty

[warped dome]

like this

cant i put, null?

[red reef]

no, the little box with the numeric value

I think you can also put default as text. it should be equivalent

[warped dome]

default is what it always was

im just trying to think of things that could make apperances just flat out switch randomly

[red reef]

I don't think that one can

dynamic appearances is setting that for you in the .ent

[warped dome]

I did something, i get crash on equip

I found

Are my mods overly complicated or some shit

[red reef]

crash on equip => the game is trying to access something that isn't there

always

[warped dome]

understood annd that was ofc

typo in path due to my amazing keyboard that duplicates letters

in particular n

anyway, so, not sure if im getting lucky or not, but after i explicitly added the chunkmask and components in Overrides, im no longer getting random appearances switches
problem was this thing was inconsistent asf so i cant tell if its luck or problem solved

[red reef]

if you use the Nightly, the edit boxes should change colour if you're entering invalid values

[warped dome]

i saw, quite cool, but i was scared of the sleeves bug so i returned to stable, thinking maybe something went wrong there

im now doing everything step by step

ok i got lucky, its still happening

great, amazing

[red reef]

it has nothing to do with the Nightly 😭 please don't be superstitious

[warped dome]

well i mean, i never seen something like this before

i thought idk, the packing of the mod somehow deleted the rig lmao

[red reef]

Nightly is currently rather stable

except that you shouldn't close the project browser

[warped dome]

[red reef]

You can get it back by resetting the layout

but

I'll fix it tomorrow, I hope

[warped dome]

[warped dome]

Puttin null makes everything straight up be the default apperance regardless

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

putting *{variant.1}_{variant.2} does nothing good or bad

[red reef]

since you're trying to load the appearance null from the mesh

[warped dome]

nothing changed, bug still there

this bug is insane

[red reef]

you may wanna ask psi

[warped dome]

i have one thing left to try

how do i make this work but in app. i want to render the sleeves invisible in all arms state except base

[red reef]

you make one appearance &arms=base_arms and show the arms

every other arm will load nothing then

[warped dome]

alright

i will make a backup of the project

right here

just in case the sleeves decide to float

this is what i have loaded ingame vs what the inventory shows :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

and you can see in EEX they are the same variant

if i unequip and reequip the same thing then it corrects itself

[red reef]

you need psi

[warped dome]

right, i did everything i could think of

the base arms work now

ah actually let me test some firepower

aight

which channel

idk axl

ahh how do i even explain this

its inconsistent asf

[red reef]

#psiberstuff

[warped dome]

well i did

can only imagine psiberx reading all that

and looking like

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-sweating-sweat-sweaty-gif-21722513

have you seen anything like this before?

or is it really just me

[red reef]

Not sure

I think others ran into the same issue?

people do overestimate how competent I actually am lmao

I refer most problems to psi

[warped dome]

Wdym, you fixed like 90% of things i asked you

[red reef]

They were all on the wiki though