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[atomic viper]

You can be forced to do things. There's also the concept of obligation. Where you do stuff not because you want to but because social standards dictate that you do.

[strange summit]

Okay but you abiding by social standerds is your own choice because you want to. Sure you can be forced to do things like let’s say someone moved your arm but that isn’t you doing it it’s someone else

Being forced to do things as in I will k—- you if you don’t do this thing is just because you want to as well sure it isn’t much of a choice but it is still a choice

[atomic viper]

Your concept seems to dictate everything under.. say utilitarianism. Tho you can still do things without nessesarily wanting to do them. Apathy does exist and actions can be apathetic. A person's wonts also can be seen as not wanting to do something. More so can be seen as behavioral or whatever. Trapped my their own actions of the past rather than what they want to do right now

[sterile turret]

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[strange summit]

Okay, If that is the case can things like selfishness exist or is “selfishness” just doing things for yourself that don’t affect other people positively

[atomic viper]

What other definition for selfishness do you use

[atomic viper]

Selfishness can also things that negativity affect others or your environment. This line of thinking can be said that selfishness is not virtuous.

[gleaming estuary]

You don't have a required role for this self-assignable role group.

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[narrow crag]

darn

thats tragic

[strange summit]

Yes but generally your always being selfish it’s only called out when it negatively affects someone or is that wrong.

[atomic viper]

No

[strange summit]

???

[wanton lava]

Want to and does are different things.
I don't want to be vegetarian but I am.
Yes, I myself make the choice, if free will exists.
It isn't in my personal self interest, though my mind envisions a greater world and that practice may be a part of it.
It comes down to free will st the end of the day

[wanton lava]

Selfishness is an action that only concerns the self, selflessness concerns the group

[wanton lava]

Not all people are self centered

[strange summit]

So why are you a vegetarian if you don’t mind me asking

Why else would you do something without wanting to

[wanton lava]

I see eating meat as evil (I'm American)

The American food industry is quite comical

Like I'm fine with hunting and fishing

[strange summit]

So you eat vegetables because you don’t want to partake in eating meat?

[wanton lava]

Sure

[strange summit]

That’s been killed inhumanly

Okay so being a vegetarian is a want

It’s also a do sure

But you want to

[wanton lava]

Will is different than want.

I will being vegetarian. I want Dino nuggets

I feel morally obligated to not

[strange summit]

Okay, I will a college education

I don’t want it

It doesn’t make much sense

[wanton lava]

There's pros and cons to most things, right?

Some things are complex in that you need it but don't really want it

[strange summit]

Yes, if the pros outweighs the cons in your mind you will most likely do it

You want to be a vegatarian

As the cons would outweight the pros if you ate meat from stores etc

[wanton lava]

What you do and what you want is different

I want to eat candy right bow

I want a healthy lifestyle

I will the action of not eating it

[strange summit]

You don’t want to get fat or unhealthy so in return you don’t do the things

Sure it takes willpower but it’s still a want

[strange summit]

@wanton lava

[wanton lava]

The thing is, the action is what you will, the want is what desire younhave

So long as there are conflicting desires there is a willed action

[graceful stump]

If santa isnt real whos gonna deliver the presents

Science?

Didnt think so

[split jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[strange summit]

If you will soemthing then you are willing it for a want

Why else would you will it

[wanton lava]

But there is multiple wants

[strange summit]

???

So every action has a want ?

[wanton lava]

I'm not into linguistics or semantics but the will is what you do, the want is your desire, sometimes wants conflict, but there is one will

Instead of the specifics do you want to go into free will or something more productive

[strange summit]

My statement is is that you can’t do anything without wanting to.

So far you’ve said nothing that disproves or even argues that

So no I’m good on switching the conversation

[verbal whale]

It’s like I’m already in bed with everything in place, only to realize that there aren’t any condoms at home.

[wanton lava]

If a want is a motivation, then yes

However this doesn't really apply to anything

We could talk about free will

[split jungle]

@strange summit has no idea what’s coming💀

[wanton lava]

🎁

[strange summit]

Okay.

I don’t believe free will exists

[wanton lava]

I believe it exists. While the environment controls everything you do, it is more general than you.

If let's say neuroscience dictates your actions, but physics dictates neuroscience, both neuroscience and physics dictates your actions. In the same way determinism doesn't rule out free will

Now that free will can exist with determinism, let's define it

If free will is choice that you make, and you are your ego, then you have free will

Your ego chooses

[wanton lava]

(Ego makes the choice most times)

[verbal whale]

Fisherman doesn't listen to advice from fish

[strange summit]

Sure it exists but at the point in which it exists free will isn’t as free as most people’s definitions would assume

Obviously you could manipulate a person into making any choice all you need to know is who there are and what their habits are and it isn’t much of a choice at the point

And if you are say a believer in god

And that god is all powerful

Than all your “free will” is predetermined

As an all powerful being would know everything that happens in the future

[split jungle]

true, but still, you are free and conscious to make any choice you want rn, yes it might be predetermined, but you still can choose to clap your hands rn or not

[strange summit]

Okay, but at that a god giving you free will doesn’t have much meaning

And we could get into the fact that every single tragedy death torture etc is all caused by that god

Intentionally

[split jungle]

you can still either strive for truth, good etc or rot in vice

so discussing whether or not you have free will or not doesnt make you move on your own

you still have to do everything

[split jungle]

i wrote about this but im not at home rn ill get back to this later

[strange summit]

Hear me out a person who’s a bad person is predetermined

It’s not their choice to be born into a world where they are a bad person

[split jungle]

its their choice to make actions that lead to it

you can choose to kill someone or not

[strange summit]

They were made witht the creator knowing it would happen

It’s not a choice at that pokt

And you can’t really argue that

[split jungle]

i have all the answers in my notebook, ill continue when i get home

[strange summit]

Ok 👌

[split jungle]

God is All Powerful, All Knowing, All Wise

This doesn't mean granting humans constant comfort, it means having full control over when, why, and how events happen.

Through His infinite knowledge.

Removing all suffering would remove tests, growth, patience, empatht, and even the need for a moral choice.
A life without the possibility of hardship, is basically an animal in a cage, no free will.

Suffering can have multiple purposes (according to my religion):

• test of faith
• warning or reminder
• purification from sin

If suffering has a wise purpose, it's neither weakness nor cruelty, its intentional for a greater outcome we may not see yet, but God does, and knows

The suffering, test, makes joy deeper, gives good value

there is no good without evil
just like there is no light without darkness

it has to exist

hardships aren't meaningless, they're oppurtunities for growth

Every event — from the fall of a leaf to the beating of a heart — is known and recorded by God.
Nothing escapes His knowledge, power, or will.

But knowing and forcing are not the same thing.

God's knowledge does not cancel your choice.

A simple way to see this:
If you know your friend will choose coffee over tea tomorrow (because you know him so well), your knowledge doesn’t force his choice.
He still freely chooses, your knowledge just happens to be correct.

God’s knowledge is infinitely greater and absolute,
He knows what you will freely choose, because His knowledge encompasses all time and outcomes.
But His knowing is not coercing.

_ _

evil exists because He permits its existence for a higher wisdom

But permission ≠ approval

[sterile turret]

Free will does exist. You're just too scared to use it.

[sterile turret]

See this is why the philosophy channel hasn't died yet. It's because of you worth. Your contributions have kept this channel alive

[wanton lava]

All that matters is that you are in control of your life, your mind, and your actions

[wanton lava]

I just talked about why that doesn't matter

[strange summit]

I think it does

If your god sends you to hell for being a bad person

Yet created you knowing you’d be a bad person

Then that god is a bad person

[strange summit]

That’s a pretty dumb argument honestly it does exist but if you were predetermined to be a bad person no amount of free will will Change that

[wanton lava]

This is not about God

I'm saying free will exists in determinism

I don't think we can know if God exists or hot

Not*

[wanton lava]

Neuroplasticity

[strange summit]

Sure but I’m talking about in the sense of a god existing

[ornate hazel]

Are you talking about free will vs determinism

I don't really understand

[wanton lava]

The free will debate is quite easy when you are agnostic/atheist

It gets interesting with a God

He's talking about Free will vs divine determinism

Cause the secular stance is a chain of causes up to you, but God would be the action. Do you even exist in the way to make choices?

[strange summit]

No, we started something new aboit free will

[strange summit]

I just feel like with as many Christian’s as there are I feel like their god isn’t as nice as it seems

As their god caused people to go to hell eternally

Knowing it would happen

[wanton lava]

I'm pretty sure God is good essence and hell os a separation from goodness

Upon death sinners die q second death and then are permanently gone

[strange summit]

Okay, but all sin is predetermined so the all powerful god would have chased the sim

If I give a baby a knife and the baby hurts a cat with it whos fault is it

[wanton lava]

If you give a man a knife and it hurts a cat then it is your fault and the man's fault

Sure, you aren't moral here, but the man made a free choice to hurt the cat

Both of you have fault

[strange summit]

Your missing the point of my example

The baby didn’t know

People don’t mnow anttjing before they were born

And are made witht the creator knowing th ey will do bad

[wanton lava]

I interpret Christianity as saying that God seperates the good and the bad and that God is goodness itself, it didn't make Hell, Hell was just a by product

[wanton lava]

(I'm not Christian)
The story goes that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and learned morals

[strange summit]

Sure but their god is all powerful

The god knew that would happen

[wanton lava]

The God is at fault for the damnation, but the person is too.

Multiple things can be causal

[strange summit]

Yes but the point is the god is a bad person

Not a good person

It wouldn’t be the future if the god wouldn’t have done it in the first place

It’s a loop but it ends up back on the god

And the person sure

[wanton lava]

I think, given this problem, it's reasonable to assume that

1. God's morals are different from ours
2. Hell isn't made by God, it's a necessary by product. Christians claim that God is goodness, but a part of goodness is respecting choice, so people can choose good and to choose not to suffer. The only problem is the finality of death of course.

[strange summit]

In the Bible it says they will suffer for eternity if they defy god

Or something

That isn’t fair if god knows th e future

[atomic viper]

Not to be a prick but God isn't a person.

It's pretty much the same as an ai judging the ethics and morals of a human.

Also in Judaism hell doesn't exist

You are judging that oaks by the culture of the maples

[wanton lava]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[wanton lava]

I interpret the Bible as saying Hell doesn't in Christianity too

[atomic viper]

It's true tho

[wanton lava]

Inferno was not divine

[wanton lava]

ik but you get what he meant

[atomic viper]

Yeah but there is also that stuff about Abraham's bossom and the other place

[wanton lava]

What's Abraham's bossom?

I don't know a lot of Christianity

[atomic viper]

Some story about a guy who went to the bad place and he looks upon paradise where his family is there but hidden from looking upon it hearing those in the bad place. He begs them for water and Abraham says they cannot give that. So he wishes to warn his friends alive about the bad place but he is answered with "they wouldn't believe you"

[strange summit]

I said Christianity a bit later but I understand I didn’t say it beforehand

And got being a person or not doesn’t really matter in sad situation in my opinion

Open to debate tho.

[atomic viper]

No but that's my point. If we made AI and AI had ideas on morals would we not also be irrelevant to it

[sterile turret]

I would argue but not in the mood for philosophy today

[verbal whale]

Bees don't waste their time explaining to flies that honey is better than shit

[sterile turret]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-writing-on-fire-writing-water-fire-writing-water-writing-gif-7366435479761399531

[wanton lava]

Depends on AI alignment

You should study AI ethics

[atomic viper]

I could have but I didnt

[wanton lava]

but money

[strange summit]

Are we ai? If we made ai with the ability to make choices But we new all of the ai’s memories etc we would know what choices it would make meaning if it did bad things we would be in fault

[atomic viper]

That's why I didn't not enough money to take the class

[atomic viper]

But would it see it that way.

That's my point

It's different sentience. Why would it act like we do

So why would "god" or whatever you wanna call it have the same idea of morals and good and bad as we do.

[wanton lava]

If the AI can choose freely then it is our fault and it's fault

Both of us had the freedom to not harm anythint

[wanton lava]

In Christianity, God made us in His image. Apparently morals are objective and we know of them from the tree of knowledge.

[atomic viper]

And so we are also made in our parents image. But is it not part of life to grow up and not be reliant on our parents? Why would the same not be for god?

[wanton lava]

(I'm not a Christian, and so I may misrepresent their view)
Because God is goodness itself. As beings that want goodness, it's imperative to follow it.
Our parents are not pure goodness, they have their flaws. Growing up is realizing the flaws yourself and working on them. This makes you diverge from your parents, among other things

[atomic viper]

Alright so let's develop this more then

We are made in an image of a creator

Ergo we must also be creators

Creating fried chicken, geometry, stretchy jeans, other humans

So why are we not treating our creations the way it is expected for our treatment between us and god?

[strange summit]

What I’m getting at is the creator isn’t a good person.

[wanton lava]

Goodness itself made us free, and gave us the chance to do bad. When someone chooses bad, they are not all good, and their creations don't have the same responsibilities

[strange summit]

It isn’t expected it’s told that it’s the case

[sterile turret]

Bababoi

[ember tulip]

Fairness is a weapon invented by the weak to restrain the strong

[ember tulip]

Awareness is a curse

[atomic viper]

The only logical if you believe humans are independent creatures. We are not. We are social beings. No matter what you think about caveman or anything you gotta remember that they are still homo sapiens and we haven't changed. Otherwise we wouldn't be called homo sapiens. Fairness is about surviving and flourishing. And we survive and flourish differently depending on the environment. If you truly believe fairness is weakness then you are arguing with nearly all inuit culture, which their stuff is so incredibly about sustainability and all that related, they if we applied your logic then they'd all die out. Not to mention stuff like greed and what ever else have you which in the end doesn't benefit anyone at all.

[ember tulip]

uhhhh 😵‍💫

[ember tulip]

Playing fair or living by strict rules, moral beliefs, and conventional values in a corrupt system makes a person vulnerable, especially where power, hidden schemes, and concealed agendas dominate. Fairness can be used to restrain strength, limiting the full range of what a person is capable of doing through laws, rules, and moral definitions of right and wrong. Clinging to these rules in the face of conspiracy does not make one noble; it turns one into a victim. As Niccolo machiavelli wrote (The Prince) "Any man who tries to be good all the time is bound to come to ruin among the great number who are not good. Hence a prince who wants to keep his authority must learn how not to be good, and use that knowledge, or refrain from using it, as necessity requires".

[wind hatch]

We Inter-are. Anything else is fantasy. When there are overwhelming headwinds, bea trimtab: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-power-of-trimtabs-wha_b_5863520

When you wake up in the morning, tell yourself: the people I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous and surly. They are like this because they can't tell good from evil. But I have seen the beauty of good, and the ugliness of evil, and have recognized that the wrongdoer has a nature related to my own - not of the same blood and birth, but the same mind, and possessing a share of the divine. And so none of them can hurt me. No one can implicate me in ugliness. Nor can I feel angry at my relative, or hate him. We were born to work together like feet, hands and eyes, like the two rows of teeth, upper and lower. To obstruct each other is unnatural. To feel anger at someone, to turn your back on him: these are unnatural.
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

[outer spindle]

Why do you think there are different cultural beliefs across the world ?

[wind hatch]

There are different people across the world

And different contexts

The philosophy that serves a Bedouin won't serve an Inuit won't serve a member of Ho Chunk won't serve someone in SE China

I would die if I brought my cultural practices from the upper Midwest to go live with the Masaai

[atomic viper]

Cause some things aren't defined naturally

[split jungle]

Part 1

Comfort removes friction
Growth requires it

A dangerous pattern:
Discomfort sharpens you, more clarity, strength, control
Then you confuse it with worth
The very things you once cut off, to grow, you think you earn them again, because you're stronger now, but that's the trap

You cannot reintroduce the very things you cut off to grow, there is no balance in such things.
It is inevitable that reintroducing them makes you fall, eventually, maybe days, or weeks, or even months. (Depends).

Let's say building mental strength, clarity.

And you reintroduce the things you cut off, social media, content etc.

Nothing bad happens immediately, but what happens is quiet.
Attention softens, awareness dulls, mental friction disappears.

Strength is not something you gain as a name or trophy, it is a state you **stay **in

And staying in it for a while does not grant one entitlement to reintroduce the corrosive old habits.

Once you see what weakens you, you don't unsee it.
Trying to go back after isn't freedom or strength, it's self betrayal. Erosion.

But there is a difference,
Symmetrical balance
Asymmetrical balance

_ _

Part 2

Symmetrical balance VS Asymmetrical balance

Symmetric balance itself is not bad.

The mistake is using symmetric balance where reality is asymmetric.

First, symmetry works when input and output affect you evenly

You can go back and forth without damage

Train hard --> rest
Work hard --> Weekends off
Eat clean --> a treat (this one can have outliers)

Here, you're still the same person.
The next training session will be easier, you get stronger with rest.
You take weekends off and are energized again for monday.
You eat a treat and keeps you balanced to enjoy your diet.

However, in some cases, this is not possible.
Some things can't be balanced.

They may look the same short-term, but they are not long-term.

In symmetry, you can repeat the cycle forever.

In Asymmetry
Let's say short form dopamine
You doomscroll --> brain adapts
You stop --> brain calms down, but is **not **the same

Next time, it's not easier, it's harder to stop.

Here you are not the same person.

Tolerance builds, recovery takes longer each cycle, each return costs more.
The system changes incrementally.

Training makes the next session easier
Scrolling makes the next scroll harder to resist

In asymmetric domain, the corrosive side must be cut off, and never be reintroduced.
Not even in balance, because that does not exist here.

_ _

Part 3

The Example

Let's say you only watch YouTube once a week on sunday.

You try to keep it balanced.

This sounds logical.
But it doesn't work, long-term.

The problem is not the schedule
The problem is what YouTube does to the brain/system.

Week 1 passes
Week 3-4 you crave it more
Week 6-8 you start stretching the videos, adding 1 extra video midweek somewhere.

Erosion.

This erosion is inevitable.
YouTube lowers boredom tolerance
Associates relief with scrolling/content
Teaches the brain an escape route

Even if the frequency stays the same, the **pull **increases.

That's the asymmetry

If something lowers mental friction every time you touch it, then even scheduling it won't make it symmetric.
It just slows the damage.

And the sunday rule? It will break eventually, inevitably

[wanton lava]

Can you ever experience anythint good?

If I eat a candy that tastes good, then everything else in my life will feel worse comparatively

If I slit my wrists, then after the bleeding stops, I will feel relieved

How can you do anything you enjoy?

[wind hatch]

This is ChatGPT oversimplification and confusion

People who have healthy happy lives with sane relationships to pleasure are healthier and happier

A good meal, a fun movie, whatever does not somehow diminish me

If it is part of an overall strategy of avoidance it's a problem

[split jungle]

im not talking about that, im talking about social media

not every pleasure is bad

[wanton lava]

I'm saying that if you demoralize hedonism, you are left with pure suffering. Enjoyment must have a lengthy meaning or else the optimal way to live is a life of pain. Discipline without an end has the goal of pain. You interpretation is the real chatgpt oversimplification

[wanton lava]

Hedonic contrast

[odd shuttle]

Let's start with the classic trolley/lever problem. You are driving a truck, the breaks failed . You see theres 5 workers tied in front and on the right road there is one worker tied. What would you do would you just keep going and kill the five people or you press the lever and kill one person?

[split jungle]

you changed the problem?

wasnt it that you just control a lever and are not driving anything

[odd shuttle]

Yeah I don't remember it . But doesn't matter the core concept is still the same be it trolley, lever, truck

[split jungle]

the way you worded it wasnt the same bc then regardless what you choose both parties would be killed by you

but the original one was a trolley heading that way and then you can choose to pull the lever or not and if you dont then 5 die but you are in no way responsible

i'd do nothing btw, what would you do @odd shuttle

[odd shuttle]

I'd pull the lever

[wanton lava]

Press lever so I get to kill someone and increase my kd

Seriously, you can look at it from an altruistic view or a rational egoistic view

The selfish will kill one for 5 so he can rob 5 people

The altruistic will kill one for 5 to save 5 people

There are laws protecting you in this situation because you save life (good Samaritan laws)

You should ideally hit the breaks now that I think about it

[stone osprey]

there's tools just for derailing a train

I'm getting one for myself to keep in my car

just incase I ever find myself in the situation where I'm at a train junction with people tied to it

I can just derail the train

they're really small and look like this typically

rather, I'm gonna build one myself

cause they cost 1500-2300 dollars

which is absurd considering it's just high-strength metal cut to a semi-complex shape and it's not even that much material

realistically, I'd bet they cost less than 600$ to make

[wanton lava]

But think about the shareholders 😭

[outer spindle]

Why

[stone osprey]

well they have the sign so that way the train driver can at least prepare for derailment

and they're yellow for even more visibility I suppose

as for the shape, the wedge forces the wheels off one side no matter which way the train is coming from

[atomic viper]

Is the option to derail the train an option

[odd shuttle]

Nah only two choices: Don't do anything keep going cause the brakes failed and kill five or turn right intentionally and kill one

[outer spindle]

What do you guys think of the

[odd shuttle]

People here have weak hearts. No one giving the answer God dammit

[ember tulip]

what is life

[odd shuttle]

A simulation, a long dream maybe. That's what you want to hear

[cloud flint]

is murder acceptable if I don't like the person

[odd shuttle]

You can't be serious mate. It literally breaks every principle / conclusion of moral philosophy

[cloud flint]

Oopsie

[split jungle]

well we did, what do you wanna hear then?

[odd shuttle]

Okay well yeah there are many versions. I choose the hard one, you are the driver. And you chose to do nothing and let those 5 die. Well, the next fundamental question is why? Any chain of thought behind your answer or just your intuition?

[split jungle]

if I am the driver, then regardless of which i choose, I am responsible for the killing

so id go for the 1 person so the other 5 can live

[ornate hazel]

Altruism is law ✋

[wanton lava]

Social contracts only buddy 😠

[ornate hazel]

Bro turned into a capronist

Capronist?

Patronisst

Holy fuck I forgot English

Capalist

Capotilism

Capalist

Something like that

Patronism right

No

Capalist

It's capalist

That sounds wrong

Capitilist

Yo someone help 😭

[wanton lava]

Capitalist

[graceful stump]

Caprisun

[wind hatch]

I think this contains many beautiful lessons https://youtu.be/ewvcTjTejZ4

[atomic viper]

Thumbnail looks like she ate under seasoned food

[lone lark]

Do we pee to drink or drink to pee?

[azure fractal]

depends on the country i’m in i think

and who is on the tracks

if it’s total strangers and i wouldn’t get arrested for murder, i’d pull the lever

[azure fractal]

neither

[odd shuttle]

Most would pull the lever. Let's increase the level

A runaway trolley is speeding down a track toward five people who are tied to the rails and cannot move. You are standing on a footbridge above the track next to a very large (fat) man.
The only way to stop the trolley is to push the man off the bridge onto the track below. His body would stop the trolley, killing him, but saving the five people.
Do you push the man?

[hasty rain]

yooo Taos long time no talk, do u even remember lol

Ive been guessing your real name for a long time now...

[hasty rain]

ye

[azure fractal]

heyyy what’s up! yes lol

[azure fractal]

you will never guess <3

[azure fractal]

i would not

[odd shuttle]

1 - yes, 1-no.Nice. Many people who say yes to pulling the lever do say no to pushing the fat man.

I would push the fat man too btw

[hasty rain]

noooo too bad

[stone osprey]

is there a rock I can hit to dislodge a wheel and potentially kill all 6?

and do I have time to jump out ahead of the truck while it's moving to run myself over

everyone dies

[odd shuttle]

Maybe we should find the guy who is tying up all these workers on the track. That would be better, wouldn't it haha

[stone osprey]

trueee

[wind hatch]

Welcome to the philosophy of the upstreamist

[atomic viper]

I still so philosophy I just don't say things unless I can say them

[wanton lava]

1. yea 2. nah cause the fat guy is not gonna be moved easily and I'll probably get cooked

[wanton lava]

rob the last guy

[split jungle]

no

[odd shuttle]

Why, you don't want to kill a person?

[split jungle]

yes

[nimble olive]

No, even if i save 5 people it will be at the expense of me killing someone

[odd shuttle]

What directly rivals your thought is utilitarianism. A utilitarian would say my objective is maximum good for the maximum people. This means increase net happiness and reducing net suffering or any one of them. So, in this case he would kill the fat man to save 5 people. It's all about the numbers to him.

[nimble olive]

In my opinion, pushing the one will ruin my life. If i do nothing, 5 people die, but i didn’t kill a man, even if u can argue i indirectly killed 5.

[odd shuttle]

No, there will be no direct consequences for you assume that.

[nimble olive]

Wdym

[odd shuttle]

Nvm forget what I said earlier. Your answer is justified

[nimble olive]

What would you do?

[odd shuttle]

I would push the man

[strange summit]

Neither

[ember tulip]

Does anyone here read the 48 laws of Power by Robert Greene

[azure fractal]

you’re so special

[azure fractal]

ive heard it’s a terrible book i think but thats about it

[odd shuttle]

Utilitarianism supremacy

[odd shuttle]

Not into self help currently. I did read half but dropped it

[atomic viper]

Aristotle talked about one of the most natural forms of learning is imitation of things before we understand them we know what to do because of watching others. However no one shows a baby how to crawl, what seeing is, what feeling is, smelling, hearing. Etc etc. or how to percieve these sensations. So at what point is it that we begin to learn through immiation? And why? Obviously eating habits and walking. Yadda yadda but how does learning come about? We can't immitate learning it's not a seeable action nor can we really immitate immitation. Easily we can say that well we are first human after human we are beings that move. All else can be conjecture. So by moving and watching how others move is this our natural means of learning? Kinesthetic intelligence has been shown to be very important to human brain health do to it's benefits in other processes of the brain, Including working memory and development of white matter. It also comes into the first things we learn ourselves, besides like hand movements and stuff, is crawling. Making kinesthetic actions out most natural. So does that mean as actions leave kinesthetic intellect is what requires immitation? No because there are many movements we must learn to do by others action and guidence. But clearly not all things are learned by immitation or else Al these would be demonstration and development. Yet we still have revelation to account for. Unless learning (or knowledge) in of itself is an action in the universe that exists outside of our mind body and spirit. So we immitate from forced not percieved. Or perhaps laws of nature we don't acknowledge for the shere fact they are un definible in anyway that brings satisfaction at our current time.

[wanton lava]

But if you kill the one, you can rob 5 people. Whereas if you kill the 5, you can only rob one person. You can always kill the 5 after the train comes too

[nimble olive]

Igb

[lone lark]

Ive read it

wait

I think I've read the sequel

[jade star]

Theres a sequel??

[lone lark]

There is

28 more laws of power or smth?

[jade star]

Ohh guess he ran out of laws💔

[atomic viper]

I'm reading fichte. He stated that in some weird Convo he basically had with himself that the term synthesis. Or the combining of knowledge he already has, which he calls immediate knowledge, with knowledge he doesn't have/ought to have or at least desire to ought to have as meditate knowledge. Is from some other school . WHAT IS THIS OTHER SCHOOL

[atomic viper]

Looking back i could have made my final Western philosophy essay on an argument showing that plato esq philosophy is better then Buddhism. In the sense of development being more proactive for the modern world

[ornate hazel]

Okay, but what's the point of all that progress if people are still miserable?

[atomic viper]

Cause they still have to figure it out. It's just that platonics can be easierly applied compared to Buddhism in the modern world. Especially in a western world.

[ornate hazel]

Imo just because a philosophy is easier to apply to governments, education, or economics doesn't automatically make it better for the modern world

Buddhism gives practical tools for dealing with stress, attachment, and unhappyness, which are genuienlymassive problems today. If anything, the fact that modenr societies are so developed yet so many people are struggling mentally could be an argument in Bhuddhism's favour

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