Israel - Lebanon 2024 Clashes

[stable ledge]

please continue here

[azure glen]

Got it, following this one now, thanks

[fleet shoal]

I think to make it clearer this should be retitled to "2024 Israel-Lebanon Clashes" as whether or not it's actually "war" per se is... still being debated amongst experts. It's very close to it but we're not sure if this is the peak of intensity or just the start...

[stable ledge]

i looked and israel declared it a war, im not good at channel names..

[fleet shoal]

or actually "2024 Israel-Hezbollah Clashes" actually because the Lebanese army isn't actually involved

[stable ledge]

Israel - Lebanon 2024 clashes

Israel - Hisbollah 2024 Clashes

goodness, a third time

Israel - Hezbollah 2024 Clashes

[fleet shoal]

Beqaa Valley is now under evacuation orders https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838187153265721725

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari issues a warning to civilians in Lebanon's Beqaa Valley, calling on them to flee from homes where Hezbollah has been storing weapons.

"We are preparing to strike terror targets in the Beqaa Valley in the near future. Hezbollah stores

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 12:02 PM

it's a major stronghold for Hezbollah but also Lebanon's most important agricultural area

the Beqaa is also well north of the current conflict zone which indicates a desire to expand the conflict deep into Lebanon

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838199436721209430

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The Lebanese health ministry raises the death toll of the IDF strikes in Lebanon today to 182.

Another 727 are wounded, the ministry says.

The IDF says it has been striking Hezbollah sites, including homes where the terror group has been storing weapons.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 12:51 PM

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1838178365112475655

Kyle Glen (@KyleJGlen) on X

Google Maps is showing huge levels of traffic (likely people fleeing North) on the roads around Tyre, Lebanon where Israel has been directing a lot of their airstrikes.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 11:27 AM

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/YahyaAlhadid/status/1838199056541331763/en

https://fxtwitter.com/lebanosnews/status/1838203313214349408/en

https://fxtwitter.com/ALJADEEDNEWS/status/1838199686273921200/en

[bleak iron]

Off the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fYqNy487Ms livestream
not sure what direction the camera is facing however

[fleet shoal]

it's facing south as the coastline is to the left (Lebanon has a western coastline), if it was facing north the coast would be on the right

no idea which locality that is though

"anonymous" IDF source claims that no ground invasion is planned. The Guardian quoting AP
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/23/middle-east-crisis-live-hezbollah-israel-war-lebanon-evacuations-latest?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66f16c988f080b5a72d8b1f0#block-66f16c988f080b5a72d8b1f0

[bleak iron]

Question:Anyone know how the Lebanese military itself interacts with Israel? Is it seen to be a defacto part of Hezbollah or something else?

[fleet shoal]

I'm no expert but as far as I can tell, the Lebanese military is a virtual nonfactor in the border conflict. Hezbollah is very much a state within a state and it's actively minimised the authority of the LAF in the areas it controls, a legacy of the civil war

the LAF has little presence in the south where the decisive theatre is and even if it did the army poses little offensive or heck even defensive threat, years of corruption, neglect and incompetence has made the LAF a shell of a defence force, lacking everything from modern armoured vehicles and small arms to fighter jets

[bleak iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWMYofzRB_M

[bleak iron]

I think its on the lebanese side looking towards Israeli, just saw a lebanese flag

7-10km from the Israeli border

https://youtu.be/JWMYofzRB_M?t=19159s | 2024-09-23 | ~17:05:05 UTC+0 | The Sun 3 strikes

[past mulch]

It's supposedly in Tyre. Most logical spot is around here but haven't looked closely yet.

[fleet shoal]

I was suspecting Tyre since it's the main coastal settlement in the combat zone, that looks about right, thanks!

[past mulch]

(That said, I'd encourage people to not tweet out the exact location of the camera. Reuters/AP/AFP live camera operators can be put into danger here if it were shared widely. Even if it is an easy geolocation, better safe than sorry 🙂 )

[wet jewel]

I know this beach and you're right

[bleak iron]

In regards to the range I only know because the journalist decided to say it, as a side note that means the IDF are striking much deeper than I thought..

[quaint gorge]

IDF stating they've hit about 800 targets now
https://x.com/IAFsite/status/1838222666014056907

Israeli Air Force (@IAFsite) on X

עד כה, עשרות מטוסי קרב של חיל-האוויר תקפו, בהכוונת פיקוד הצפון ואגף המודיעין כ-800 מטרות טרור של חיזבאללה בדרום לבנון ובמרחב הבקעא שבעומק לבנון במספר גלי תקיפה לאורך היום.
צה"ל תקף על פי מודיעין מדויק מבנים בהם חיזבאללה הסתיר רקטות, טילים, משגרים, כלי טיס בלתי מאויישים ותשתיות

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 2:23 PM

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838221917670535458

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The rocket sirens sounded in several West Bank settlements, just east of Tel Aviv

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 2:20 PM

[bleak iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSZI5kV63E There's a live press conference going on, unfortunately my arabic skills are too weak at the moment to live translate

[fleet shoal]

rocket fire apparently landing near Salfit in the West Bank. Salfit is a Palestinian city, so the rockets aimed at the West Bank run the risk of damaging both Israeli settlements and Palestinian towns
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838225263076802862

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Footage shows a rocket impact near the West Bank city of Salfit, following long-range fire from Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 2:33 PM

[flat valley]

Quick Question for now, does it make sense to segment the air strike timestamps occurring in Lebanon live streams into its own separate channel as was done during the Gaza conflict?

[true seal]

the idf are striking extremely deep into the country

even in completely unrelated christian areas

[bleak iron]

I think if it upticks I'll append that thread with the Lebanon ones

[true seal]

not sure if this type of stuff is allowed, just let me know

[bleak iron]

Its fine, but can you link the source of where you got it from? This allows others to verify the information etc.

[true seal]

theres no source per se

lebanon is a small country

people share things directly

of course this causes the spread of some misinformation im not denying that

but the same could be said for a random website

[pseudo gyro]

As the old saying goes “the Lebanese armed forces are the third most powerful army in Lebanon”

[fleet shoal]

yeah, agree with resurrecting that thread

though not sure how long this intensity will continue for

[fleet shoal]

are you getting this directly from someone in lebanon taking these videos themselves?

[true seal]

if not that then its someone sharing directly from someone they know

so either a friend or a friend of a friend

not groups

[bleak iron]

I hope we don't have to resurrect it, looking at AJ Mubasher there's a considerable number of ambulances starting to attend

[fervent nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/s/1qk8BHxb1q

[fleet shoal]

Fourth major air strike in Beirut
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838244627918295050?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The target of the Israeli airstrike in Beirut is senior Hezbollah commander Ali Karaki, sources tell Israeli media.

Karaki is the head of Hezbollah's southern command, responsible for the terror group's military activity in south Lebanon.

He is a member of the Jihad Council,

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 3:50 PM

[true seal]

https://x.com/ALJADEEDNEWS/status/1838225745643987395

Al Jadeed News (@ALJADEEDNEWS) on X

وزير الصحة #فراس_الأبيض: 274 شهيداً و1024 جريحاً جراء الغارات الإسرائيلية اليوم

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

a more updated number on the injured and martyrs

[fleet shoal]

I would advise against the use of the term "martyrs" unless directly quoting

[compact ravine]

Why?

[neon forge]

Because it is not a neutral word and an indication of partisanship, which would mean bias in research. Another example of a word that works like that is "terrorist".

[compact ravine]

At first blush it just feels somewhat anglo/western centric to police that term (MENA contributors have commented on this server's tendency toward a western POV). I don't want to derail this channel, but it would probably be productive to give further consideration to the issue at some point

[fleet shoal]

"Hezbollah member" is in my view a perfectly neutral term that encompasses the meaning it needs to

[bleak iron]

For those who are interested in the complexities of Matyrdom and other such word uses in describing causalities:
https://securitypolicylaw.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/FreamonB.Martyrdom-Suicide-and-Islamic-Laws-of-War1.pdf

[fleet shoal]

it's like saying "IDF soldier" over "hero" etc etc, at least in this space we are trying to maintain an air of objectivity as best we can

[compact ravine]

The numbered dead are all Hezbollah members?

[fleet shoal]

that's the part that's unclear

[neon forge]

And if there are not, you can say "innocent civilians", for instance

In fact I'd argue that's a much better term to describe them than "martyr" as that implies that they were active fighters for a cause, which may not be necessarily the case

[fleet shoal]

my issue is that we have to be very very careful with language because the descriptors we use influence how we perceive and thus analyse things, no matter how objective you want to be, if you use the words "martyrs" or "heroes" in your analysis, it will inevitably colour your conclusions because we're hardwired to attach certain emotional meanings to them

[compact ravine]

I'm just saying it would be productive to be more inclusive of Islamic and MENA contributor's perspectives wrt vernacular. But that's probably a discussion for another time.

[wet jewel]

Any chance of getting a somewhat objective numbers of the casualties for now ?

Everywhere I look, numbers are different

[bleak iron]

IMHO I see the words as a cultural description rather than a belief ideology. [the etymology and complexities of this exact descriptor get very complex very quickly]. It might be worth to actually create a thread discussing this issue as I think its valuable to discuss.

[fleet shoal]

I respectfully disagree, I don't believe inclusion is a valid enough reason to use such language. the point of this channel is to conduct objective analysis of ongoing events, and we are, to the best extent possible, trying to eliminate personal biases which allowing contributors of certain regions to use certain words is antithetical to. I'm pro-Ukranian but I do not use the term "orcs" for this reason, it's unnecessarily provocative and emotional when the term "russian soldier" describes it just as well without the baggage

[steady glade]

That comparison isn't remotely similar, but I would humbly suggest that discussion is outside the scope of this thread.

[fleet shoal]

#open-source-general 👈

[true seal]

its the direct translation of the tweet

[fleet shoal]

awesome, that's all good

[true seal]

also i would consider women and children martyrs regardless 👍

[true seal]

its not unclear

i can provide at least one example of otherwise (i can in fact provide much more)

therefore meaning you cannot say they were hezbollah members

[fleet shoal]

sorry, I meant in terms of the divide between Hezbollah casualties and civilian casualties, unless that statistic is all civilian casulaties?

[true seal]

no way to tell for now

its too early

though i imagine its mostly civilian considering the places being hit

[true seal]

but my point was that the alternative you suggested was completely unfit for this considering there was no proof of otherwise, so by providing at least one example of casuality not being a hezbollah member, i can say that using that term is not fit

[atomic flax]

Sorry not sure I understood what's the source of this video? thanks

[true seal]

random person

[atomic flax]

The video was sent to you personally?

[true seal]

yes

[olive kettle]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1838278687474802702

[pine egret]

Am i being paranoid wondering if this looks AI generated?

[tawny crater]

Did these rockets launched earlier today hit anything? It's my understanding that while Hezbollah has a lot of short range rockets and missiles, but nothing particularly modern

[tawny crater]

It is of course possible, but I checked two of the four composite images (when you composite images like that, it can sometimes trick AI detectors) and seems to not think so

https://huggingface.co/spaces/umm-maybe/AI-image-detector

[pine egret]

Oh no, i meant the ambulance on fire

[pine egret]

I will run it through that detector though thanks

[tawny crater]

Nice, you are not being paranoid

[pine egret]

Oh sweet

Thanks!

[tawny crater]

For my own edification, what was it that clued you in, I missed it
It's pretty obvious in hindsight but just curious

[pine egret]

The fire looks fake to me. Looked similar to the AI generated photos of exploding solar panels and I think cars only explode like that in movies.

[compact ravine]

Idk if those tools are especially accurate?

[pine egret]

No, I don't think they are as they sometimes mark genuine art made by humans as artificial. (Idk about that specific tool, this is just what I hear from artists getting accused of using AI when they're not)

But beyond eyeballing it and AI tools I can't think of other ways to debunk it this early on.

[compact ravine]

The ambulance image has a lot of compression and edge enhancement which contributes to the artificial look

[deep nacelle]

Another easy tell is if the Arabic is real or just gibberish

(I can't read Arabic)

[atomic tendon]

The Arabic is real

I have a question regarding AI tools if anyone knows more than me. Would it flag images that are enhanced/edited as being AI?

[deep nacelle]

Every "AI Image Detector" out there is flawed. There's none that's 100% accurate

So the answer is yes

But I've also seen many, many times when a perfectly legit picture that I've taken myself on my phone and not touched at all has come back as "AI Generated" in these tools

In other words: I wouldn't put any stock on a result reading "AI Generated Image"

[atomic tendon]

Regarding the imagine, I believe the ambulance belongs to the Risala association (جمعية الرسالة الإسعاف الصحة) based on colour scheme and logo, but I can't see any word from them of an attack on their vehicle

Image*

[deep nacelle]

FWIW I don't think it's manipulated

[tawny crater]

Yes, to be clear, the trouble with these sorts of things is that it turns into a 🤷‍♀️ which is sort of the point of spreading AI images in the first place. The embedding space for an AI image is just way too close to real ones, not trying to stir the pot, sorry

[atomic tendon]

https://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/en/justice-law/723681/security-update-enemy-air-raids-on-al-saknuniya-ne

This is from the Lebanese government, mentioning the ambulance being hit

[still owl]

https://fixvx.com/redanblacattack/status/1838273542275686524?t=y7Lev71MhPAWQ_O1eJ883Q&s=19

[mild herald]

https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1838277233263157547?t=O2v6RtAGwa0tn2DrVZPMcw&s=19

sarah (@sahouraxo) on X

BREAKING:

Lebanese journalist Fadi Boudia was hit by Israel while reporting live on air.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 6:00 PM

[sage ocean]

"Objectivity" is also a harmful myth abused by people of privilege to shut people out of discourse.

[fleet shoal]

We’ve got a discussion page here on this very topic #1287825065756590100

[still owl]

Looks like he was hurt due to sitting inside next to a closed window that was shattered by a nearby explosion.

[mild herald]

unsure, diff sources are using diff words some say the journalist was hit, others say the explosion was near his home.

[fervent nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt7BW1QuDE

[still owl]

I went off the video. Shards of glas are flying into the room and the curtain flaps to the ceiling before coming back down, so an explosion outside of the building. Camera tripod isn't moved by the explosion and no exploaion viaible through the window so a target in the area but probably not super close like next door neighbours.

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1838709699153399884

Joe Truzman (@JoeTruzman) on X

Hezbollah acknowledges rocket commander Ibrahim Qabisi has been killed. Israel said earlier today it targeted and killed Qabisi in a Beirut airstrike.

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 10:38 PM

[atomic tendon]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-24/ty-article/.premium/while-idf-attacks-degraded-hezbollah-it-remains-a-major-threat-to-israeli-home-front/00000192-25a9-dff0-a5f7-3fbf15ad0000

"Officials in the IDF have followed with concern the roughly 40,000 militia fighters, mercenaries who came to Syria from a number of countries including Iraq, Yemen and Syria itself and are now in the vicinity of the Golan Heights, waiting for Nasrallah's call to join the fighting."

(The quoted part is behind the paywall)

Does anyone know if those 40,000 fighters in the Golan area have been mentioned anywhere else?

[steady glade]

https://archive.li/w9BMO

Archived full article.

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838950460889186577

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi says the military is preparing for a ground offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

"You can hear the planes above, we are attacking all day. Both to prepare the area for the possibility of your entry [into Lebanon], and also to continue

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 2:35 PM

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838920588871512321

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF says it is calling up two reserve brigades to be deployed to northern Israel

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 12:36 PM

[tight pumice]

https://fixupx.com/AuroraIntel/status/1838954221451837904

[fervent nebula]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xe8nkj9wyo

https://x.com/SyriawatanNews/status/1838663216630538720

أخبار سوريا الوطن Syrian 🇸🇾 (@SyriawatanNews) on X

من التصدي للاهداف المعادية في سماء #طرطوس .

https://t.co/qyggenFzg3

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 7:34 PM

"From confronting hostile targets in the sky"

https://x.com/martyrabuh/status/1839081249891143739

Abu Hurairahⵣ ✯🌺 (@martyrabuh) on X

Journalist Hadi Sayyed, a reporter for Al-Mayadeen , has been killed in an Occupation airstrike targeting his home in southern Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 11:15 PM

[split axle]

is there Sentinel censorship over north Israel ?
it doesn't work from my side, can someone confirm ?

last one i can access is 21 sept

[fleet shoal]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-israel-hezbollah-war-ff2ec626f5d8883014f577b9a0cfaf1e

[urban veldt]

Middle East crisis live: Israel rules out US-French plan for ceasefire with Hezbollah https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/26/middle-east-crisis-live-israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-plan-us-france-netanyahu?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66f526068f087c168b6edd8b#block-66f526068f087c168b6edd8b

[sick agate]

Sentinel-2 L2A for 2024-09-26 from Sentinel-hub
Many areas appear to be missing, but L1C appears to be available.

[true seal]

There will be no ground invasion

Not unless Israel has something insane they're hiding

Just a personal analysis, based on the history of conflict between the two

[tight pumice]

https://bsky.app/profile/avishaybsg.bsky.social/post/3l52xf2etol27
In hebrew: https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2024-09-26/ty-article/00000192-2f1d-ddff-a9fb-bfbf96ce0000

[trim socket]

let s stop predicting conflicts that won't happen. we should have learnt our lesson now

I mean I get the underlaying thought behind it , recognizing unnecessary frizzness in the commn commentary but still. we should aspire not to get influenced by biased counter analysis too

[true seal]

I really don't understand your comment. I am doing the exact opposite by calling out someone claiming that there will be a ground invasion

[stable ledge]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/26/norwegian-police-seek-missing-man-pagers-hezbollah-blasts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[fleet shoal]

I think what they're trying to say is that absolute claims either way- "there will be no ground invasion" or "there will be a ground invasion"- is unfortunately not very helpful in this circumstance because we don't know for sure what's happening in the Israeli General Staffs' minds. additionally, the OP was merely posting a BBC article which is directly quoting an IDF official without any comment as to whether such a claim is true or not

[deep nacelle]

[true seal]

What I don't understand here is why one claim based on evidence is worse than another based on evidence. I am using the term evidence loosely here of course, but I think my point stands

Maybe I am misunderstanding the intention of these channels but what is the point of posting news without any sort of analysis

It's all propaganda wars anyways so we could always just post resources from both sides and learn nothing

[fleet shoal]

I'm not saying that any point is worse than the other- in fact, I specify that neither claim is helpful. these channels are indeed for some analysis, but the issue people are taking is the absolute nature of your claims. "there will be no ground invasion, not unless Israel has something insane they're hiding" is simply not that helpful because, again we can't know for certain what is in the minds of the IDF staff, and as you say yourself, little evidence is being provided. additionally, it is still useful to post resources like that BBC article that quotes an IDF official to gain an understanding of the current information environment. the assumption here is that posting a source is not necessarily an agreement of either the veracity or the correctness of said source, and that all claims, regardless of their origin, are to be treated with a level of reasonable suspicion for bias or other interpretations

[deep nacelle]

"analysis" and "my own personal opinion" are not the same thing

The reason why we discourage people from going back and forth debating their own opinions is because it makes the channels unreadable. No one wants to read a 100 message exchange between two people debating opinions

[true seal]

Personal opinions are based on analysis (hopefully). At least I believe mine is

[deep nacelle]

Yeah but if they're presented as "I believe X is gonna happen." period full stop, it only reads as opinion

[true seal]

Of course, you're right in that regard. I was making the assumption that it was obvious that these are not '"I believe X is gonna happen." period full stop' claims, it is silly to make such claims at all in the first place about similar topics since no one knows the truth about what is happening internally in either of these groups.
To rephrase what I said in a more verbose manner:
From the information we have, I believe it would not be smart for Israel to perform a ground invasion since Hezbollah specializes in guerilla warfare and they have more experience from Syria. Israel is already using its air superiority to their advantage which I think is exactly what they need to do. Going through Lebanese borders could compromise the superior position they seem to have

[quaint gorge]

(Picture 1) Claims going around that this strike was an R9X or inert/kinetic missile. The R9X has only seen use by the US, and causes significantly more damage to the vehicle/target.
https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1839308789008445581

(Picture 2) Local media found the metal liner for a shaped charge, indicating that this was an explosive munition that just failed to function. A shaped charge wouldn't be present in a kinetic munition, and the liner would not be intact if the munition functioned.
https://dailynewslb.com/56031/

The size and shape of the damage to the windshield is consistent with that of the Mikholit glide bomb (3), commonly used by Israeli drones. Shaped charge liner is also consistent with the shaped charge warhead (4, three green warheads on the right) of the Mikholit.

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/TreyYingst/status/1839693603402121235?t=usTgZxkreYWJet0txR6TAg&s=19
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1839690743524335984?t=xBiS0Ojp3svj2VdQkNxgVw&s=19

Trey Yingst (@TreyYingst) on X

Fox News has learned the target of the strike on Beirut was Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 3:48 PM

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Footage shared by Lebanese media shows the large Israeli airstrikes in the Dahiyeh suburb of Beirut.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 3:37 PM

https://t.me/manniefabian/47884

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1839696982601847129?t=NELtg_MQKHXqiNRa0Ppaeg&s=19

Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) on X

BEIRUT: Video of Massive explosion in South Beirut , Israel says it’s hitting Hezbollah headquarters in Dahiyeh less than hour after Netanyahu UN speech saying Israel seeks peace

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:01 PM

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1839702933262184632?t=NZPhtGfrRA5_MFfJoVFmDA&s=19

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

🚨Israeli official says Israel notified the U.S. minutes before the strike in Beirut

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:25 PM

https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1839703145494003925?t=8YiXtnrnVSMV28qeEpRjxQ&s=19

Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) on X

While attention fixates on the fate of #Hezbollah leader Hassan #Nasrallah, bear in mind that flattening 6+ high-rise apartment buildings, without prior notice/evacuation, means 100s of casualties.

This is a mass casualty event, whatever #Hezbollah losses.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:26 PM

Audio off

https://x.com/ChrisOsieck/status/1839702938886746546?t=FGPoCVhcaCCPaKv6W5GSKQ&s=19

Chris Osieck (@ChrisOsieck) on X

Geolocation of the Israeli airstrike on a building near Bourj el-Barajneh in Beirut's southern suburbs, 33.851514, 35.504091. Couldn't have done this without the help of @obretix and @weatherwar this time. It's worthy always mentioning those who help you.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:25 PM

[split axle]

https://x.com/SamDoak5/status/1839701527927074872/photo/1

Sam Doak (@SamDoak5) on X

location hit was here https://t.co/H2sovfyk4x

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:19 PM

[amber venture]

https://x.com/SkyNewsArabia_B/status/1839703700710801588

سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) on X

مصادر من حزب الله تشيع أن نصرالله في مكان آمن

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:28 PM

[urban veldt]

Anyone familiar with air traffic monitoring who can verify if this post is accurate and whether its conclusions follow? https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1839699473066320197

MenchOsint (@MenchOsint) on X

🇺🇸🇮🇱⚡️🇱🇧 Two E-3B Sentry AWACS off Lebanon, with transponders switched off, and the aircrafts reappear a few minutes after the bloody Israeli airstrikes on Beirut.

There is no coincidence, the US helps Israel bombing Lebanon on a daily basis.

The reason why they don't admit it

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:11 PM

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/LebanonJets/status/1839704053288222774

LebanonJets, is good account, it monitor the air traffic in Lebanon's area.

[deep nacelle]

I'd take a look first at whether that aircraft or other similar aircraft regularly operate in that airspace

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/GhonchehAzad/status/1839713097205928324

Ghoncheh Habibiazad | غنچه (@GhonchehAzad) on X

Iran’s English language international facing Press TV is rejecting reports that Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah has been killed by Israeli strikes in Beirut today.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 5:05 PM

[deep nacelle]

On its face it's sorrta nonsensical to infer that the aircraft "switched off" their transponders only during the actual airstrike implying that they were hiding their participation in the attack (as opposed to during the whole operation, meaning that the aircraft simply wouldn't have appeared at all during their entire flights)

[urban veldt]

Yeah it seemed nonsensical to me as well.

[deep nacelle]

Not saying that they Def weren't involved

But that tidbit isn't strong evidence of involvement IMO

[bleak iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQd0eM_M2Q
[CW:as they're clearing out one of the collapsed building from earlier, not sure what they will find]

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/ALJADEEDNEWS/status/1839717004577558610/en

[stable ledge]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DAba1tGgjy_/?igsh=MTdzOXAxam0wcTBzZQ==

[bleak iron]

I didn't realise but the strike was on the Hezbollah HQ in Beirut:
Source:
from: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/09/27/israel-hezbollah-war-lebanon-latest-news13/

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/NNALeb/status/1839712005831176382/en

https://fxtwitter.com/OTVLebanon/status/1839721636599378206/en

[left shadow]

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/27/israel-airstrike-hezbollah-hq-beirut

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/nafisehkBBC/status/1839724322929131887

[bleak iron]

Thought this image was interesting of tanks in Northern galilee

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/AkbarSAhmed/status/1839727065911963690

Akbar Shahid Ahmed (@AkbarSAhmed) on X

This Austin-Gallant channel is the route US government officials often describe as their best hope for restraining risky Israeli actions, including potential war crimes. Sullied today; hard to see how faith in it (especially at DOD) stays where it was:
https://t.co/eo7ELVezsE

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 6:01 PM

[fleet shoal]

There’s an absolute maelstrom of conflicting claims about Nasrallah’s fate flying around at the moment, none of which has a shred of evidence so far

https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1839730156497199357?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

GeoConfirmed (@GeoConfirmed) on X

GeoConfirmed ISR.

Israeli airstrikes targeting a building near Bourj el-Barajneh in Beirut's southern suburbs, reportedly Hezbollah HQ.

33.851514, 35.504091
VG23+JJ4 Ghobeiry, Lebanon

GeoLocated by @obretix, @ChrisOsieck, @SamDoak5, @EcoTerrorist101 and @SamDoak5

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 6:13 PM

[deep nacelle]

kindda hard to see because they're on top of each other, but there was also an RAF Typhoon and an RAF KC2 Voyager in the same area as the Sentry at the same time

the sentry popping in and out of coverage is more likely to to electronics/GPS interference in the area, which is both severe and well documented

Quick overlay of the flight path with GPS interference data from Sept 25 from https://gpsjam.org/?lat=33.63310&lon=33.36995&z=6.9&date=2024-09-17

[urban veldt]

Wow! Thanks a ton. Useful tools!

[deep nacelle]

np! ya that stretch of water is always red or yellow, tons of jamming going on

[atomic tendon]

Hezbollah have said there's no truth to rumours
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/27/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-gaza-war-hamas-middle-east-news-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66f6ffe88f0859f4a95e519a#block-66f6ffe88f0859f4a95e519a

[split axle]

https://www.haaretz.com/00000192-311a-d8e1-a196-7dbe49390000?liveBlogItemId=401644584#401644584 https://x.com/evanhill/status/1839745579439558980

Evan Hill (@evanhill) on X

Haaretz's Amos Harel says Israeli defense sources estimate around 300 people were killed in today's strike targeting Nasrallah: https://t.co/bcNVlzddns

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 7:15 PM

[placid pumice]

300 dead and 5-6 buildings leveled. Interesting definition of "precision strike"

[amber venture]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1839759806481228158?t=5T5dPdXffXAEXQqnvRAUDg&s=19

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF is calling on Lebanese civilians near several buildings in the Dahiyeh suburb of Beirut, a known Hezbollah stronghold, to evacuate immediately.

Col. Avichay Adraee, the IDF's Arabic-language spokesman, publishes maps alongside the announcement, which call on civilians to

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 8:11 PM

[dire tartan]

https://vxtwitter.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1839690702323667147

[deep nacelle]

Yup pls scroll before posting, we've been talking about this for a few hours now

(the tweet is innacurate, Beirut is not being carpet bombed)

[dire tartan]

i did, i just saw the others werent playable on discord so i wanted to post a playable one. thats why i removed all the other text

[dire tartan]

mhm mhm was just posting for the video

is it fine with just the others videos? i can remove it if needed

[deep nacelle]

I mean it's fine to leave it up, but it's an event from a few hours ago now and others have posted links to videos already

[dire tartan]

alr 👍 the feedback is appreciated tho!!

[wet tiger]

most of the smoke plumes it's pretty clear where the damage is, except 1, i'd say

[olive kettle]

https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1839707760608284728

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) on X

Senior #Iranian security official to Reuters: Tehran is checking Nasrallah's status.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:44 PM

[split axle]

"A child was pulled out alive from under the rubble in suburb of Beirut"
||https://x.com/ftounifatima/status/1839771999935119711||

https://fxtwitter.com/barakravid/status/1839774328751034369/en

in other words threatening civilian airplanes/commercial flights to make 'no fly zone' over it

[atomic tendon]

There's a Dubai - Beirut flight in the air and due to land within the hour

[olive kettle]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/23/hezbollah-stores-large-quantities-iranian-weapons-airport/ Israel is probably relating to this claim to determine the policy here

Also IIRC airports are considered valid military targets (not 100% on it, think it's something like runways are and terminals aren't)

https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1839777316131512626

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) on X

Communication has been lost with #Hezbollah's senior leadership, a source close to Hezbollah tells Reuters.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 9:21 PM

[quaint gorge]

https://vxtwitter.com/obretix/status/1839777913459159472

[obtuse cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQd0eM_M2Q

[atomic tendon]

Two RAF tycoons and a Voyager off the coast between Lebanon and Cyprus right now. Not sure the significance of that really, but not normal for this time of night I believe

[bleak iron]

https://youtu.be/8JQd0eM_M2Q?t=23412s | 2024-09-27 | ~01:00:05 UTC+0 | Reuters (evidence of a strike)

[deep nacelle]

Saw them operating prior to the air strikes so I think it's unrelated

[green spire]

#1287747305050472560 message they've been up a while

[bleak iron]

second strike in Beirut

[quaint gorge]

Lot of talk about "bunker busters" today. So here's some fun resources on 2000 pound bombs (MPR-2000, MK 84, BLU-109 "bunker buster") And the 5000 pound GBU-28/BLU-113 "bunker buster"

(1,2 from Elbit catalogs on MPR 500 and 2000). Sources all here: https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1262521780384305172

[deep nacelle]

When it dropped off coverage over Syria, it still hadn't begun its descent into Beirut. Wasn't showing diversion so I'm guessing it's landing at Beirut as schheduled

The dropping out of coverage isn't unusual, it doesn't mean it got shot down or anything like that

[atomic tendon]

Yes that was my thoughts too. Not sure I would have wanted to be on the plane however.

[deep nacelle]

https://t.me/manniefabian/47911

[atomic tendon]

Another strike just happened I believe

[bleak iron]

Yeah I heard it but its different to what I was hearing during the Gaza conflict

The explosion was massive

https://youtu.be/8JQd0eM_M2Q?t=25447s | 2024-09-27 | ~01:33:19 UTC+0 | Reuters onwards

Big fire it looks like

[dire tartan]

those were more explosions

[bleak iron]

Another strike

[atomic tendon]

And again

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/lebanosnews/status/1839799237527089592/en

[bleak iron]

Another explosion

https://youtu.be/8JQd0eM_M2Q?t=28521s | 2024-09-27 | ~02:23 lebanon time | Reuters Another strike

Another strike

[atomic tendon]

Is there an explanation for the firework-like secondary explosions other than weapons being hit?

https://t.me/warmonitors/28271

[bleak iron]

I thought maybe gas lines going up but I don't know if Beirut has gas either for cooking or heating

Also another strike 03:13AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQd0eM_M2Q

Another stirke 03:26 AM

[bleak iron]

03:43AM fire

Another strike/fire

[bleak iron]

strike followed by 4 further detonations

04:20AM

whatever it is is still denotating

[delicate plover]

Another one just now

If people think it's worth it it might be good to have a separate thread for tracking those like we had for the Gaza livestreams

[delicate plover]

in addition to the reuters live stream this channel seems to have an alternate angle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xjn_qRCOtc). it seems legit (i.e. live and of beirut) at first glance at least

Another angle from MARCA, which was a pretty reliable source of similar footage of Gaza last october (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Za6-IBmw4)

[stable ledge]

Good morning. If you're monitoring the lifecams it's probably a good idea to create an extra thread like for those at beginning in gaza

[delicate plover]

you're right, here's a new thread for the live streams so this one doesn't get cluttered up: https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1289417078151053342

[lavish owl]

https://x.com/IDF/status/1839937408587968917

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) on X

Hassan Nasrallah will no longer be able to terrorize the world.

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 7:57 AM

[stable ledge]

is there an official Hezbollah announcement already?

[lavish owl]

Not that I've seen.

[stable ledge]

i read that his daughter died, but nothing of him

[mild herald]

https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC2809202419827556

[sick agate]

[post contains IDF videos and a map of strikes in Beirut]
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1839938841936871715

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Dozens of anti-ship missiles stored by Hezbollah under buildings in the Lebanese capital of Beirut were destroyed in Israeli airstrikes overnight, according to the military.

Hezbollah was known by the IDF to be in possession of the Chinese C-704 and C802 missiles, as well as

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 8:02 AM

[urban veldt]

Israel "confirms" is has killed Nasrallah https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/9/28/عاجل-القناة-12-الإسرائيلية-عن-مصدر-مطلع

[mild herald]

"The IDF announces that yesterday (Friday), September 27th, 2024, Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of the Hezbollah terrorist organization and one of its founders, was eliminated by the IDF, together with Ali Karki, the Commander of Hezbollah’s Southern Front, and additional Hezbollah commanders."

[olive kettle]

https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1839944219596591503?s=46&t=t0cnGSY3MZZcxBc9IvBOTQ

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) on X

#Breaking an #Iranian Cargo from Qesm Air, which was on his way to the Beirut International Airport has turned back, after the airport tower control informed that it received a warning from the Israeli military that the cargo would be struck if it landed in Beirut

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 8:24 AM

[pseudo gyro]

I’d wait for a US announcement, but this is pretty definitive

[lavish owl]

I'm waiting for Hezb.

[urban veldt]

Good to keep this story from August in mind:

[flat valley]

https://fixupx.com/michaelh992/status/1839946350810591524

[pine egret]

Bombing footage not graphic but very loud. https://spore.social/@ayoub/113212171597350504

('Moments ago' was 10 hours ago)

[shut fog]

It seems that the leader of Hezbollah has been killed, is it true or is it manipulation?

[flat valley]

Ok, sorry I'm behind but there is a better explanation of why that aircraft keeps dropping off of FlightRadar 24's data as well. If you look where it says data source, Flight Radar 24 is using MLAT to track that Aircraft, not ADSB.

Here are some good breakdowns on how MLAT works, but they key thing here is that in order for MLAT to work, You need multiple receivers (three to four minimum)or more receivers to calculate the position, speed, and altitude of an aircraft.

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-we-track-flights-with-mlat/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K24NF5PSzYk&t=41s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfKCwQcsQA0

[wet jewel]

Waiting on Hezb announcement

[deep nacelle]

As you said, you need multiple receiver antennas to track via MLAT. The simple explanation is that the fewer antennas you have in a region, the less reliable MLAT becomes

Combine that with the fact that the area experiences probably the worst electronic jamming in the world

[true seal]

Official statement was released

He died

[wet jewel]

Yeah he died

[deep nacelle]

Can you share links please

[true seal]

I don't have a link

[wet jewel]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/9/28/israel-attacks-lebanon-deaths-mount-as-beirut-buildings-bombed-to

[true seal]

Just the official statement as text

From one of their news WhatsApp groups

[deep nacelle]

But where did you get the official statement as text from

Ok thanks

[deep nacelle]

Thanks

[wet jewel]

You can find the same statements all over medias, pro and against Hezb. So unless this is a communication strategy, he is in fact dead.

[true seal]

Pretty much

Over the past 11 months they never concealed a dead person

بيان صادر عن حزب الله:

بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرحمن الرَّحِيمِ
﴿فَلْيُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يَشْرُونَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا بِالْآخِرَةِ وَمَن يُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيُقْتَلْ أَوْ يَغْلِبْ فَسَوْفَ نُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا﴾
صدق الله العلي العظيم

سماحة السيد، سيد المقاومة، العبد الصالح، انتقل إلى جوار ربه ورضوانه شهيدًا عظيمًا قائدًا بطلًا مقدامًا شجاعًا حكيمًا مستبصرًا مؤمنًا، ملتحقًا بقافلة شهداء كربلاء النورانية الخالدة في المسيرة الإلهية الإيمانية على خطى الأنبياء والأئمة الشهداء.
لقد التحق سماحة السيد حسن نصرالله الأمين العام لحزب الله برفاقه الشهداء العظام الخالدين الذين قاد مسيرتهم نحوًا من ثلاثين عامًا، قادهم فيها من نصر إلى نصر مستخلفًا سيد شهداء المقاومة الإسلامية عام 1992 حتى تحرير لبنان 2000 وإلى النصر الإلهي المؤزر 2006 وسائر معارك الشرف والفداء، وصولًا إلى معركة الإسناد والبطولة دعمًا لفلسطين وغزة والشعب الفلسطيني المظلوم.

إنّنا نعزي صاحب العصر والزمان (عج) وولي أمر المسلمين الإمام السيد علي الخامنئي دام ظله والمراجع العظام والمجاهدين والمؤمنين وأمة المقاومة وشعبنا اللبناني الصابر والمجاهد والأمة الإسلامية جمعاء وكافة الأحرار والمستضعفين في العالم، وعائلته الشريفة الصابرة، ونبارك لسماحة الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصرالله رضوان الله عليه نيله أرفع الأوسمة الإلهية، وسام الإمام الحسين عليه السلام، محقّقًا أغلى أمانيه وأسمى مراتب الإيمان والعقيدة الخالصة، شهيدًا على طريق القدس وفلسطين، ونعزي ونبارك برفاقه الشهداء الذين التحقوا بموكبه الطاهر والمقدس إثر الغارة الصهيونية الغادرة على الضاحية الجنوبية.

إنّ قيادة حزب الله تعاهد الشهيد الأسمى والأقدس والأغلى في مسيرتنا المليئة بالتضحيات والشهداء أن تواصل جهادها في مواجهة العدو وإسنادًا لغزة وفلسطين ودفاعًا عن لبنان وشعبه الصامد والشريف.

وإلى المجاهدين الشرفاء وأبطال المقاومة الإسلامية المظفرين والمنصورين وأنتم أمانة السيد الشهيد المفدى، وأنتم إخوانه الذين كنتم درعه الحصينة ودرة تاج البطولة والفداء، إنّ قائدنا سماحة السيد ما زال بيننا بفكره وروحه وخطه ونهجه المقدس، وأنتم على عهد الوفاء والالتزام بالمقاومة والتضحية حتى الانتصار.

السبت 28-9-2024
24 ربيع الأول 1446 هـ

Here is the official statement in arabic

[fleet shoal]

Middle East crisis live: Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah killed by Israel in major escalation of conflict https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/28/middle-east-crisis-live-israel-steps-up-attacks-on-hezbollah-targets-in-lebanon-amid-rising-fears-of-wider-war?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66f7eed38f08441851817a3e#block-66f7eed38f08441851817a3e

[still owl]

isn't firing into the air usually a sign of happiness? The Christian and Sunni parts of Lebanon will probably be quite happy that he is dead.

[subtle igloo]

I doubt anyone there is happy with the waves of bombing and the chaos.

[stable ledge]

You know exactly that firing in the air has a big meaning in the arabic world, from weddings to funerals.

[still owl]

Yes there are funeral processions where people shoot in the air but they aren't that far with Nasrallah yet. I'd wager random celebratory gunfire is far more common than random mourning gunfire. Nasrallah was very much hated by large parts of Lebanon and especially in Beirut.

[deep nacelle]

Only news about the conflict beneath this line please

---

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/evanhill/status/1840069543281979796?t=JNhEQldmYyTbjHJejxQIKg&s=19

Evan Hill (@evanhill) on X

Israeli defense officials told @ronenbergman they dropped more than 80 bombs over a period of several minutes to kill Nasrallah. They did not confirm the weight or make of the bombs. https://t.co/hgXGgohtlC

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 4:42 PM

[atomic flax]

I also saw reports about 80 tons dropped. Does this make sense to assume 1 ton per bomb?

[compact ravine]

What's your bead on the average weight given the visual evidence, @quaint gorge ? (If you wish to opine on that point)

[quaint gorge]

If you're going by bomb weight yes. But a 1 ton bomb does not mean 1 ton of explosives.

[quaint gorge]

Looks like all 2000 pound bombs from what I've seen. Either MK-84/MPR-2000 GP bombs or BLU-109 "bunker busters". The BLU-109s have about 400 pounds less of explosives (525) than a MK84's 945 pounds of explosives

[quaint gorge]

Official statement from airbase commander seems to confirm this number (or similar)
"Dozens of munitions hit the target within seconds with very high precision, and this is part of what is required to hit underground sites at this depth," the airbase commanders adds."
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840016155097944551?t=sCA6lqmFcxLZKn3ojzAt-Q&s=19

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Senior Israeli Air Force officials say the strike in Beirut yesterday killing Hezbollah terror chief Hassan Nasrallah went smoothly with no errors or enemy fire on the IAF warplanes.

"Everything we planned was executed precisely, with no errors, both in intelligence, the

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 1:10 PM

[atomic flax]

https://x.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1840096009499881676

Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) on X

Israel defence minister holding talks on 'expansion of IDF activities in Lebanon"

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 6:27 PM

[urban veldt]

Explains why Lebanese medics have struggled to find remains of those killed.

[compact ravine]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-hezbollah-nasrallah-israel-lebanon-024756fb7c2b7bdda93454db97659a19

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/AricToler/status/1840136118349770945?t=AzRtOwPB2tHoz1yFLLmFFA&s=19
2,000-Pound Bombs Likely Used in Attack That Killed Nasrallah, Video Shows https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/28/world/middleeast/israel-nasrallah-bunker-buster-bombs.html?unlocked_article_code=1.OE4.HFQj.31w9VP3p27VZ

Aric Toler (@AricToler) on X

American-manufactured 2,000-pound bombs were likely used in attack that killed Nasrallah, per our analysis (with help from @Easybakeovensz) of an IDF video. With @riley_mellen:
https://t.co/wOyIikv9IW

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 9:06 PM

[true seal]

Not sure if this is fine, but there are rumors going around about Netanyahu being gravely injured after a Houthi strike on Ben Gurion Airport

Can anyone confirm if news outlets have covered this?

(Technically not Israel - Hezbollah but extremely relevant)

[steady glade]

That is an extraordinary claim, and as such I think it would be wise to see if it gets picked up in Israeli media(I.E Haaretz, JP etc) before entertaining it.

[quaint gorge]

There's nothing to suggest there's any truth to those claims.

[gaunt hearth]

Presumably there should also be video of an explosion at the Airport if it ocurred. Most other rocket attacks in Israel seemed to be filmed by someone.

[true seal]

That is why I was asking

Not familiar with trusted israeli media but I heard there was coverage of a "big event" internally

[steady glade]

Haaretz is an excellent choice for Israeli news in English. It's my go-to source.

[true seal]

Forgive me if I am spelling the names incorrectly, but the messages cited:
Axios
Yedioth Ahronoth
ABC

[steady glade]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-28/ty-article-live/israeli-army-carries-out-targeted-strikes-in-beirut-against-hezbollah/00000192-3676-db24-afb3-b6ff586d0000?liveBlogItemId=592274249&utm_source=site&utm_medium=button&utm_campaign=live_blog_item#592274249

There was a claim a missile was fired 4 hours ago, but there's nothing to suggest if it was launched it produced any casualties or even impacted Israel. I really wouldn't give it any more of your attention.

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/AJABreaking/status/1840112691660079412

الجزيرة - عاجل (@AJABreaking) on X

عاجل | إن بي سي عن مسؤول إسرائيلي: قررنا قتل نصر الله بعدما خلصنا إلى أنه لن يقبل بحل لا يرتبط بإنهاء الحرب في غزة

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 7:33 PM

[hollow anvil]

What you can do is backtrack to those sites and see if anyone is carrying that info

[fleet shoal]

Do we have any Hezbollah confirmation of this?
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840307084199354577?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF confirms Hezbollah official Nabil Qaouk was killed in an airstrike yesterday in Beirut.

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 8:26 AM

[true seal]

None that I am seeing

[still owl]

"A video of the aftermath of the strike that killed Hassan Nasrallah in southern #Beirut" https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1840299929261994397

X

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 7:57 AM

[true seal]

They just sent an announcement

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

مِنَ المُؤْمِنِينَ رِجَالٌ صَدَقُوا مَا عَاهَدُوا اللهَ عَلَيْهِ فَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ قَضَى نَحْبَهُ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يَنْتَظر وَمَا بَدَّلُوا تَبْدِيلًا
صدق الله العظيم

تزف قيادة حزب الله إلى شعب المقاومة وأمة المجاهدين، وإلى الحوزات العلمية في لبنان والخارج سماحة العلامة المجاهد الشيخ نبيل قاووق الذي نال وسام الشهادة الإلهية الرفيع أثر غارة صهيونية غادرة في منطقة الشياح.
لقد تولى سماحة الشيخ الشهيد العديد من المسؤوليات التنظيمية في وحدات حزب الله المختلفة جديرا بالأمانة التي حملها، عالماً رسالياً ومجاهداً كبيراً وكان موجوداً بشكل دائم في ساحات الجهاد قريباً من المجاهدين في الخطوط الامامية وقضى عمره الشريف في ميادين الجهاد والعطاء والتضحية.
نتقدم بالعزاء من صاحب العصر والزمان ومن سماحة السيد القائد الامام الخامنئي ومن عائلته الشريفة الصابرة المحتسبة أن يمن عليهم بالصبر الجميل وحسن ثواب الدينا والاخرة.

[flat valley]

Regarding the strike that killed Hassan Nasrallah.

https://fixupx.com/auroraintel/status/1840367896276373522?s=46&t=0qAvqb6FOvZFc7eoZBKfXw

[urban veldt]

Israeli tells the FT that their intelligence infiltration of Hezbollah was aided significantly by the organization's involvement in the Syrian civil war. https://www.ft.com/content/6638813e-e246-4409-9a38-95bf60a220a8

[quaint gorge]

https://vxtwitter.com/cheesemanab/status/1840441685634863427?t=a_EVAGmBRm6gMLwLL_yweQ&s=19

Video of main site:
https://vxtwitter.com/michaelh992/status/1840299929261994397?t=oZ9sBZOYVRmWtzu5G19Z2A&s=19

Video of buildings down the street:
https://vxtwitter.com/nabihbulos/status/1840311417729393114?t=2Yb4NNvvDOaQNFG10g5XUQ&s=19

[quaint gorge]

Looks like an SDB/GBU-39 strike or similar munition
https://x.com/will_christou/status/1840513645891183054?t=U5v0mHY5JKDwYNkHiOXHxA&s=19

Will Christou (@will_christou) on X

Israel just carried an airstrike near Kola intersection in Beirut, the first time it has struck Beirut outside of the southern suburbs since the war started.

Kola intersection is a popular reference point in Beirut, where taxis and buses gather to pick up awaiting passengers.

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 10:07 PM

[fleet shoal]

putting this here because it's happening in Beirut and part of the wider strike campaign- it seems even the PFLP has been targeted. I didn't even know this group existed until today... a Marxist-Leninist secular organisation that is part of the PLO alongside Fatah. definitely shows how Hamas has sucked up a lot of the oxygen in the room, at least here in western nations where the existence of other Palestinian organisations is poorly understood
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/apartment-building-beirut-hit-israel-widens-air-campaign-2024-09-29/

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840675881116737724?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Report: IDF special forces entered Hezbollah tunnels during Lebanon cross-border operations https://t.co/6BR6m1es7Q via @timesofisrael

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 8:51 AM

This isn’t an indication that a ground invasion is imminent, these operations have been occurring for some time now, however their scope has increased

[humble willow]

The PFLP were the(or at least a) dominant militant force up until the Oslo accords, and hamas built power after they were seen to be in the pocket of Israel since the Oslo accords(I am simplifying massively here). I'd strongly recommend reading a bunch more background of the conflict if they're new to you.

[fleet shoal]

Will do, it’s shocking here how little is known about the history of Palestine and Lebanon despite the cultural space it’s taking up here. I’ll have to dive more into it

[sage ocean]

Mind you, it's confusing to me how the marxists-leninists were seen as being in the pocket of Israel, especially since they never stopped advocating for a 1 state solution, even after Oslo (afaik).

[humble willow]

Probably heading off topic but: the PFLP were a household name in that the news could mention them without explaining who they are(like hamas or Hezbollah today) through the mid 2000s in the UK. Unsure where you're based, but idt the lack of cultural import of them or the broader PLO is homogeneous.

[sage ocean]

(my spelling today is atrocious apparently)

[fleet shoal]

In Australia, beyond the Lebanese diaspora, Hamas and Hezbollah is the maximum of understanding, generally speaking. You’d be lucky to find a few who know what the PLO is and the Oslo Accords, but the thing that’s weird to me is how little people know about Levantine history when it’s become all that’s on the news…

[still owl]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/unrwa-confirms-hamas-leader-in-lebanon-was-its-employee/

[pine egret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eksOMqVMINo screencast from aljazeera mubasher i'm struggling to identify these red flags

oh i think they are pflp

[atomic tendon]

I feel like these days they're overshadowed by key members such as Laila Khaled and Ghassan Kanafani.

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1840732288239423653?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

GeoConfirmed (@GeoConfirmed) on X

GeoConfirmed ISR.

A large group of IDF military vehicles is seen in a field in northern Israel.

33.031616, 35.567784
2HJ9+J4V Rosh Pinna, Israel

GeoLocated by @TwistyCB and @COUPSURE

Geolocation: https://t.co/iF1gYI1zTw

Location: https://t.co/WfJ0Vn6DKZ

Sources:

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 12:35 PM

[still owl]

https://twitter.com/JasonMBrodsky/status/1840751520666558675

Jason Brodsky (@JasonMBrodsky) on X

#Israel eliminated the commander of #Hezbollah’s medium-range rockets unit Eid Hassan Nashar in an airstrike on Saturday in the Lebanese capital of Beirut

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 1:52 PM

[trim socket]

because of the ideology of the...how are they called the basic rural families that made up israel population back then

found it.
Kibbutzim: These are collective communities traditionally based on agriculture, where members share resources and responsibilities. Kibbutzim were founded as part of the early Zionist movement and emphasized communal living, equality, and socialist ideals.

[fleet shoal]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/30/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-hamas-war-news-gaza/

[sage ocean]

Wait, so the argument was "you have the same ideals as the Kibbutzim"? (I know what they are)

[trim socket]

It s surely more complex that that, but if someone would like to delve deeper into the topic I'd surely start studying the kibbutzim. That's just a suggestion from an outsiter, I took the liberty because I would like to have the time to do it myself

[sage ocean]

Seems weird to me especially since Kibbutzim residents were some of their earlier targets e.g. kibbutz Shamir June 13, 1974

Afaik the Palestinian left fragmented as a result of the rise of Islamism/Political Islam, and that includes the ML-faction(s).

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840808987643589009?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF has imposed a closed military zone in the Metula, Misgav Am and Kfar Giladi area.

The military says the move follows a fresh assessment.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 5:40 PM

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840819642111058406?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Reuters, citing locals and a security source, reports that the Lebanese Army has been seen withdrawing from several positions on the border with Israel.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 6:22 PM

It appears all parties are anticipating ground action

[amber venture]

Is an invasion happening tonight?

[fleet shoal]

We can’t say, as we don’t know what the Israeli plans are, but all indications clearly point to imminent ground action, and all parties are clearly expecting something to happen

[amber venture]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1840827222992830839

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) on X

Israeli Forces have begun to cross into Southern Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 6:53 PM

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840828851091309021?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Lebanese media report heavy Israeli artillery shelling toward the border village of Wazzani, close to Ghajar.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 6:59 PM

[sick agate]

OSINTdefender is not considered trustworthy [known for posting disinfo] #1271149752674684959 message

[fleet shoal]

Would be careful with OsintDefender

[atomic tendon]

Not that it might not be true, but without other confirmation I would treat this account with some scepticism

[fleet shoal]

Still seeing no indications of Israeli ground activity, but it appears shelling is in progress

[amber venture]

I am treating it skepticism

[fleet shoal]

There’s gonna be a big rush on a lot of platforms to declare that “the invasion has begun” regardless of the evidence

The environment will be extremely fluid for the next few hours at least

[past mulch]

Unconfirmed reports of IDF tanks already crossing, specifically in Rmaych https://t.me/jenencamb24/291987

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840836470489194833?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Al-Arabiya has deleted the report on tanks entering Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 7:29 PM

[past mulch]

Oh well cancel that then, thanks!

[fleet shoal]

The storm of misinfo has well and truly engulfed us lol, even reliable accounts don’t know what’s real

[past mulch]

Channel 12 (Israel) claming still no ground incursion, though they're the only ones I've seen saying this
https://t.me/N12chat/90194

[atomic flax]

Israeli journalists are bound by censorship on troop movement. It is only possible to report "based on foreign media"

An Israeli TG channel claims that this shows tanks from the Lebanese army withdrawing from the border area
https://t.me/abualiexpress/77314

And this is allegedly also taken at the border https://t.me/hadashotmeashnia/5219

[olive kettle]

Vehicles do track with what the Lebanese Army owns (M113 with some kind of mounted weaponry, M 1038 Humvee - photos via google)

The Humvee in the video also has a similar marking in the lower front quarter panel which I assume is some kind of unit ID

[split axle]

light bomb above Remich border south lebanon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyUyrR0PHo

theres shelling sound on background too

[olive kettle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AnnaBarskiy/status/1840846261802422415/en

[amber venture]

Is jerusalem post a reliable source?

[elder vigil]

Somewhat, cross reference any story you're relying on

[amber venture]

https://www.ft.com/content/61379bd8-58be-4c43-8593-9057896158a7

[atomic tendon]

A video of the strikes in Dahye

https://t.me/warmonitors/28517

[split axle]

https://t.me/almayadeen/261156
"Lebanon: Al-Mayadeen correspondent: Direct fire from Lebanon was launched towards a military target in the vicinity of the Zarit barracks"

[fervent nebula]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1840887724452299233?s=46

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) on X

The Israel Defense Force has announced the beginning of a Ground Operation against Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 10:53 PM

[deep nacelle]

Link to the actual IDF statement? because OSINTDefender is trash

[split axle]

yea, i went to check their telegram, it seems true
https://t.me/idfofficial/10575

"limited"

[deep nacelle]

ty!

[elder flume]

https://vxtwitter.com/idf/status/1840890054819864776?s=46 here’s the tweet from them as well

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/AFP/status/1841006753590493697

AFP News Agency (@AFP) on X

#BREAKING Israel army says 'intense fighting' in southern Lebanon

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 6:46 AM

[pastel flare]

Is there any other info except for what the IDF is saying?

[fleet shoal]

from what I'm seeing, there's basically a total local blackout of information on the progress of the ground invasion from the Lebanese side, no footage, no photographs as of yet. Both Israel and Hezbollah appear to be keeping a very tight leash on information, and we're essentially relying purely on the official statements of both groups (though mostly Israel as Hezbollah is saying little) for anything at all

[true seal]

The Hezbollah side is denying any intense fighting happening

And the people we know near the border aren't hearing anything

It seems there is nothing happening now, just the airstrikes from yesterday and the fight that happened when they entered

[true seal]

Hezbollah are saying things

they have been since yesterday, or midnight at least

🏴4️⃣
بيان صادر عن المقاومة الإسلامية:

بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرحمن الرَّحِيمِ
﴿أُذِنَ لِلَّذِينَ يُقَاتَلُونَ بِأَنَّهُمْ ظُلِمُوا وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ على نَصْرِهِمْ لَقَدِيرٌ﴾
صدق الله العلي العظيم

دعماً لشعبنا الفلسطيني الصامد في قطاع غزة وإسناداً لمقاومته الباسلة ‌‏‌‏‌والشريفة، ودفاعًا عن لبنان وشعبه، استهدف مجاهدو المقاومة الإسلامية عند الساعة 8:55 من يوم الثلاثاء 1-10-2024 تجمعاً لجنود العدو في مستعمرة أفيفيم بسلاح المدفعية.

﴿وَمَا النَّصْرُ إِلاَّ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَكِيم﴾
الثلاثاء 1-10-2024
27 ربيع الأول 1446 هـ

🏴
بيان صادر عن المقاومة الإسلامية:‏

بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرحمن الرَّحِيمِ
‏﴿أُذِنَ لِلَّذِينَ يُقَاتَلُونَ بِأَنَّهُمْ ظُلِمُوا وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ على نَصْرِهِمْ لَقَدِيرٌ﴾‏
صدق الله العلي العظيم

دعماً لشعبنا الفلسطيني الصامد في قطاع غزة وإسناداً لمقاومته الباسلة ‌‏‌‏‌والشريفة، ودفاعًا عن لبنان ‌‏وشعبه، ورداً على الاستباحة الهمجية الإسرائيلية للمدن والقرى والمدنيين استهدف مجاهدو ‏المقاومة ‏الإسلامية عند الساعة 10:30 من صباح يوم الثلاثاء 1-10-2024 تجمعًا لقوات العدو ‏في ثكنة دوفيف بصاروخ فلق 2.‏

‏﴿وَمَا النَّصْرُ إِلاَّ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَكِيم﴾‏
الثلاثاء 1-10-2024‏
‏27 ربيع الأول 1446 هـ

[true seal]

Tuesday 8:55 AM, Hezbollah soldiers hit a gathering of Israeli soldiers using a cannon weapon (?)

the last part doesn't translate well

but you get the point

[true seal]

Similar story, 10:30 AM Doviv (?) barracks using a Falaq-2 rocket

The story from Hezbollah's side is essentially:
The moment the IDF tried entering, they were hit with rockets and had to retreat

[fervent nebula]

Air sirens sound across central Israel
7:40am
‘Intense fighting’ in south Lebanon
4:03am
US warns Iran of ‘serious consequences’ if it attacks Israel
1:27am
Israel shoots down aircraft over Mediterranean
12:11am
IDF confirms ground invasion has begun```

source: telegraph.co.uk

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/jhaboush/status/1840945296718905571?t=p5DnUQ7Ibm7p5pQZXQLrLw&s=19
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1840944609406419188?t=2C_MAGzy7tnCbTcwpDx3AQ&s=19

Joseph Haboush (@jhaboush) on X

Top Biden aides Amos Hochstein and Brett McGurk privately told Israel the US would support its decision to ramp up military pressure against Hezbollah — even as Biden admin. publicly urged the Israeli government to curtail its strikes: ⁦@politico⁩ https://t.co/F6U4799v93

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 2:42 AM

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

Secretary of Defense Austin expressed support for the Israeli ground operation against Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon during his call on Monday with Israeli Minister of Defense Gallant. "They agreed on the necessity of dismantling attack infrastructure along the border to ensure

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 2:39 AM

[fervent nebula]

UN peacekeepers claim ‘no ground operation’ in Lebanon
10:41am
Israel orders evacuation of 26 Lebanese communities```

[pine egret]

Al Jazeera English is saying they are receiving conflicting reporta on whether or not there is fighting on the Lebanon border

Hezbollah says no ground operation as well.

[pine egret]

screen grab from Al Jazeera Mubasher

"Image Hezbullah is sharing of the Israeli army movements today in southern border villages"

[true seal]

A more accurate translation is "Image Hezbullah is sharing of strikes on Israeli army gatherings and movements today in southern border villages"

[fleet shoal]

Remember there is likely an active disinformation campaign ongoing as to what exactly the ground situation is

It’s in the interest of the conflicting parties to keep the information environment as vague and confused as possible to maintain OPSEC, all the more so as the area of operations is so small so any clear information at all can pose a substantial risk

[true seal]

Of course, just ensuring information is provided from both sides

[pine egret]

Thank you, my Arabic rlly needs work (lapsed native speaker)

[olive kettle]

https://x.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1841081281817235933

Qalaat Al Mudiq (@QalaatAlMudiq) on X

#Syria: Israeli attack is a confirmed SEAD operation to blind the South.
Early warning systems, radar and air defenses were destroyed in several bases incl. Thaalah Airbase (W. Suwayda). Several casualties among Assad's forces.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 11:42 AM

[pine egret]

Interesting that Al Jazeera Mubasher and English have different information

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/CarmenJoukhadar/status/1840734706737824198/en
https://fxtwitter.com/CarmenJoukhadar/status/1840752216518352964/en

[deep nacelle]

https://x.com/lizsly/status/1841064177483264282

Liz Sly (@LizSly) on X

Maybe the Israelis didn’t actually invade. UNIFIL officials tell @ZeinakhodrAljaz that while there were “sporadic incursions” overnight, the Israelis went back. Hezbollah denies any invasion.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 10:34 AM

[olive kettle]

could be artillery/tank fire

[pine egret]

Screen grabs from Al Jazeera Mubasher, from IOF saying they found tunnels and a map. and the map proves they were planning an oct 7-like attack? I am unsure how they deduced that, I'm assuming it's all disinfo but no way to verify.

Edited to correct a misunderstanding

(this is the link i'm using https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eksOMqVMINo)

[amber venture]

https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-1-october-2024

[lavish owl]

https://t.me/idfofficial/10605

[amber venture]

https://www.idf.il/235337

[flat valley]

Here is the Youtube Video linked in the press briefing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB9wtaWHRxw

[fleet shoal]

Some videos of the claimed raids by IDF
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1841093966436933979?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

As the Israel Defense Forces officially launched ground operations in southern Lebanon early Tuesday morning, the military is now disclosing that it has already carried out more than 70 small raids with special forces since the beginning of the war, destroying numerous Hezbollah

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 12:33 PM

[amber venture]

yeah the videos are in the telegram channel

[fleet shoal]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/oct/01/israel-lebanon-attacks-live-blog-ground-offensive-hezbollah-hamas-gaza-war?filterKeyEvents=false#filter-toggle-mobile

[fresh badge]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg4qx62kkxxt?post=asset%3Ab832a43a-101c-4b3f-85ff-b885180a4f6a#post

[split axle]

https://x.com/SAMSyria0/status/1841092597525131539?t=zKlDTkepUL1BuRV_mvqoaQ&s=19

SAM 🇸🇾 (@SAMSyria0) on X

From what we see happening in the aggression on Syria, we are getting closer to becoming a direct part of the war with Israel.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 12:27 PM

[deep nacelle]

Who is that person? Why is their opinion on this important?

[olive kettle]

Followed by some prominent trustworthy accounts (manniefabian, intelcrab, auroraintel, archer83able) might be someone relevant, but no clue on specifics

[deep nacelle]

Ok, I'm not an expert on this and I'm not familiar witht his person

[olive kettle]

Yeah same, all I can vouch is some accounts I trust follow but that's as far as I'm willing to go

[quaint gorge]

Worth keeping in mind a lot of accounts, including journalists, follow accounts known for misinformation and disinformation to keep tabs on them.

[deep nacelle]

If Iran/Israel kicks off, we'll be here: https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1228798424875270196

[amber venture]

Has anyone seen any reliable source that Israeli tanks have crossed the border?

[deep nacelle]

I don't know about tanks specifically but the IDF did announce it'd launched ground military ops in Lebanon (with a bunch of caveats that it's a limited operation)

[amber venture]

I saw that, and also that these ground operations are not the first ones, they've been doing ground operations since November 2023

[olive kettle]

https://vxtwitter.com/michaelh992/status/1841103882622992616 this might be interesting to compare with the documents seized on October 7th

[dense granite]

Didn't someone post a UNIFIL report above?

[olive kettle]

there was this statement by them

[dense granite]

That reads like they were informed, but it hasn't happened yet.

[olive kettle]

https://vxtwitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1841107383231111580 seems like there's a lot of images coming out, anybody seen them?

[true seal]

What's the source on this?

[amber venture]

https://www.idf.il/235337

He said since the start of the war, not November. Watch the video in it's entirety.

[flat valley]

You missed the first tweet in the thread, which has some important context
https://x.com/CalibreObscura/status/1841105514362499465

Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura) on X

The IDF are posting much, much better quality imagery of captured materiel from Hezbollah than like 90% of militaries. Almost like they are extremely aware of how footage drives narratives.

If it was still 2019 I would have enough material (lol) for like 3 articles already.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 1:18 PM

[ruby vessel]

Many links shared by the IDF's english Telegram account here showing various videos/photos of weapons/tunnels/etc from the past months: https://t.me/idfofficial/10605

Video showing what the IDF says are confiscated weapons:

[pine egret]

Interesting paint jobs on the crates, they look like metal from certain angles but the covers suggest it's made of wood.

These plaques with country flags makes it seem so thought out. How quickly.can that sort of thing get made...

I guess it just needs a printer tbh

it's also very clean

[olive kettle]

Wouldn't be surprised if Israel already had some kind of plaque made so it just needs changes

[olive kettle]

Going from this guide seems like it's a wooden crate with metal reinforcements (https://armamentresearch.com/introduction-to-the-9m113-konkurs-atgm/)

[atomic tendon]

Hezbollah statement on the find.

https://t.me/warmonitors/28587

[pine egret]

what is that brown thing further in the back?

[quaint gorge]

They did the same thing at the press show and tell for the weapons seized from Oct 7. Also said "since the beginning" so could be from earlier cache captures

[quaint gorge]

Probably an IED/EFP disguised as a rock. It's right next to other IEDs/EFPs

Livestreams and other videos coming out where it looks like quite a few Iranian ballistic missiles making it past Israeli air defense
https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1841157510029345263

Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) on X

Missile or missile fragment impacts in downtown Tel Aviv

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 4:45 PM

[pine egret]

Aaah that makes more sense. I assumed it was some known type of explosive that just happens to look like a rock xD

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1841161376380727565

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) on X

#Iran’s IRGC just issued a statement saying that it has launched dozens of missiles against #Israel in retaliation for the assassination of Hamas chief, Hezbollah leader and IRGC general Nilforooshan. It threatens a response if Israel retaliates

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 5:00 PM

[quaint gorge]

Pretty common tactic. CAR has a good report on Houthi use of IEDs disguised as rocks.
https://www.conflictarm.com/download-file/?report_id=2598&file_id=2600

[pine egret]

no doubt, i'm just new to the field of war

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1841175586406088708

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF has imposed a new closed military zone on the Lebanon border, in the areas of the communities of Dovev, Tziv'on, and Malkia.

The military says the move follows a fresh assessment.

It comes amid ground operations inside Lebanon.

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 5:57 PM

[compact ravine]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/30/us-israel-military-hezbollah-00181797

[pure sparrow]

even if it's just confirming what many believed, it's nice to see it reported by the news media

[lethal imp]

would like to point out the white phosphorus observers account here: https://x.com/Phosphor_Abyad

White Phosphorus Observers (@Phosphor_Abyad) on X

Tracking White Phosphorus attacks in South Lebanon to build an open-access database. Share footage of attacks or unusual plume/cloud formations with us. ⚠️

Twitter

also x-post #bombs-arms-drones-other-killing-machines because this is unposted here https://x.com/RhinozzCode/status/1841260245013631312

odd israeli incendiary (??) munitions on the lebanese side of the blue line on the 30th

[quaint gorge]

Do any videos happen to exist?

[lethal imp]

they don't as far as i know

[amber venture]

Is this a good place to ask for geolocation?

I would like to know where these photos were taken

https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC021020248342906457

[fervent nebula]

#1077154436167761960

[stable ledge]

And read the pinned post 🙂

[amber venture]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1841423518740644193/

[fallen nexus]

https://x.com/Asia_Intel/status/1841430903681081710

Asia Intel (@Asia_Intel) on X

Photo of Israeli soldiers fighting in Lebanon in the village of Odaisseh.

Location: Odaisseh, Nabatieh Governorate, Lebanon
Blue circle: 33.254708, 35.545773
@GeoConfirmed

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 10:51 AM

[quaint gorge]

https://vxtwitter.com/catebrown12/status/1841458272185798842?t=2u6QgcCeOFpYwwBIYtC0DA&s=19

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/MaucourantNada/status/1841448738985759115

Nada Maucourant Atallah (@MaucourantNada) on X

An apartment complex in the southern suburbs of Beirut was completely destroyed by an Israeli strike overnight.
A neighbour told me that she heard voices coming from the rubble in the morning.
She said it might be the concierge & his children, who had stayed in there.

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 12:02 PM

[fallen nexus]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-announces-deaths-of-seven-soldiers-killed-during-fighting-in-southern-lebanon-today/

[fervent nebula]

https://www.skynewsarabia.com/middle-east/1745628-مصادر-إسرائيلية-مقتل-14-جنديا-باشتباكات-جنوب-لبنان

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1841502610169147782/en

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1841512842907853031

GeoConfirmed (@GeoConfirmed) on X

GeoConfirmed ISR.

Medevac helicopters flying towards the pick up point.

Point of view - 33.20791, 35.57164
6H5C+5M6 Qiryat Shemona, Israel

GeoLocated by @m_osint, adjusted by @GeoRaccoon

Geolocation: https://t.co/F5HyChqixk
based on
https://t.co/MaYQrzd8jL

Location:

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 4:17 PM

[amber venture]

https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC0212024124457

IDF Statement - The names of seven fallen soldiers whose families have been notified were cleared for publication

[hollow anvil]

Hi. What's this link?

[amber venture]

confirmation by IDF that indeed 7 soldiers died in southern lebanon

[hollow anvil]

When there's no preview in Discord we appreciate a short description 🙂

[amber venture]

Sure thing! I apologize

[hollow anvil]

No worries

[fervent nebula]

hello everyone, i'm back home

can do more analyis now.

[split axle]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-missile-attack-middle-east-10-02-24-intl-hnk#cm1s68ikg000u3b6rdbv0b5vc

https://fxtwitter.com/LebarmyOfficial/status/1841422374769446948/en

[fervent nebula]

https://x.com/bencnn/status/1841592408934646254?s=46

benwedeman (@bencnn) on X

Another strike on Beirut, this time in the heart of the city. #Lebanon

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 9:33 PM

[deep nacelle]

Link?

[true seal]

https://chat.whatsapp.com/D2m2MdTY5FSIST1bF9tcui

Not sure if you consider this valid

[deep nacelle]

And what's the image supposed to be?

I mean what's the context?

[true seal]

Ah, my bad. It is a closer look at the specific apartment that was hit in Beirut from here

[deep nacelle]

Thanks

[hasty phoenix]

just geolocated the building

Streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8900506,35.5022382,3a,75y,301.85h,100.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4pFGbkuCiRJp5-ruJqp-hw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D4pFGbkuCiRJp5-ruJqp-hw%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D338.71304%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkzMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[compact ravine]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/lessons-israels-last-war-lebanon

https://x.com/DecampDave/status/1841594036999602333

Dave DeCamp (@DecampDave) on X

Lebanese Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib says Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah agreed to a ceasefire right before Israel killed him

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 9:40 PM

[placid pumice]

https://archive.is/rdIgu#selection-6899.0-6914.0 - link to FT article: How Israeli spies penetrated Hezbollah

[urban veldt]

Is that the same ceasefire that Biden confidently announced?

[compact ravine]

Based on what he says in the video I think so?

[hollow anvil]

Can you please let us know what the link is when there is no preview? Thanks

[fallen nexus]

israelis just shelled an evac convoy in south lebanon
https://fxtwitter.com/megaphone_news/status/1841793948978643075/en

[quaint gorge]

M113s being used as vehicle bourne IEDs reportedly appearing in Lebanon. They've been used in a Gaza but first instance I've seen/heard of being used in Lebanon. Surprising to see imo if it's a limited operation.
https://vxtwitter.com/aliimortada/status/1841784015302328773?t=i76CUpcwrIZhHalj3Wkxuw&s=19

[placid pumice]

it will be a "limited operation" the same way that Rafah incursion was just "limited"

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/LebarmyOfficial/status/1841813822278905949/en

https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1841841720725549397/en

[fervent nebula]

9 killed in Israeli strike in central Beirut as Iran warns against retaliation

https://www.al-monitor.com/live-blog/live-updates-9-killed-israeli-strike-central-beirut-iran-warns-against-retaliation

[placid pumice]

Also Israel now committing five divisions to the invasion

[deep nacelle]

What was the orginal number? Three?

[placid pumice]

Yes, three originally

[fervent nebula]

israels movement in south lebanon, source: liveuamap

animated by me, hope you guys like it

[amber venture]

do you have a source for this?

[placid pumice]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/10/03/world/israel-iran-lebanon-hezbollah/israel-has-sent-troops-from-five-army-divisions-to-support-the-lebanon-invasion-officials-say?smid=url-share

[tight pumice]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/3/as-if-we-dont-exist-under-bombs-in-lebanon-americans-feel-abandoned

https://fixupx.com/prem_thakker/status/1841902399977382123

[olive kettle]

https://x.com/HKaaman/status/1841884844311060797 some more info on it

Hugo Kaaman (@HKaaman) on X

IDF has been using VBIEDs based on old M-113 APCs in Gaza for months, but this is the first example from Lebanon (Kfar Kila) I’ve seen. They are used to demine intersections/buildings instead of lineclearing charges & are pulled into place by D9 dozers prior to remote detonation

Twitter · Oct 3, 2024, 4:55 PM

[fervent nebula]

Tulkarem death toll rises to 16

src: https://www.aljazeera.com/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/10/3/live-beirut-bombed-as-hezbollah-battles-israeli-army-in-south-lebanon?update=3220583

[placid pumice]

Israel following Russia with double-tap airstrikes designed to kill medical responders: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/03/lebanese-healthcare-workers-fearful-as-growing-numbers-killed-in-strikes?CMP=share_btn_url

[amber venture]

https://x.com/weatherwar/status/1841955554081530332

A. Baydoun (@weatherwar) on X

29 missiles registered in the recent Israeli airstrike on Dahieh in #Beirut, as revealed by spectrogram analysis since the start of the video. Similarities in sound and pattern suggest they are bunker buster bombs. #Lebanon

Twitter · Oct 3, 2024, 9:36 PM

[urban veldt]

That tactic isn't Russian or novel to Russia. Used by Saudi Arabia in Yemen in several documented instances and used by Israel in previous wars in Gaza.

[split axle]

was live, moments before the heavy airstrikes starts on Beirut [the heavy strikes start at 2:13]
https://fxtwitter.com/ALJADEEDNEWS/status/1841952423922864293/en

https://x.com/ALJADEEDNEWS/status/1841935370126295206 a live capturing strikes on Beirut from a Lebanese news TV

Al Jadeed News (@ALJADEEDNEWS) on X

تغطية مستمرّة للعدوان الإسرائيلي على لبنان https://t.co/IAJTvriH5C

Twitter · Oct 3, 2024, 8:16 PM

[still owl]

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1841958412310954305

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

BREAKING: The target for the Israeli strike in Beirut was Hezbollah senior leader Hashem Safi a-Din - who was Hassan Nasrallah's likely successor, Two Israeli officials tell me

Twitter · Oct 3, 2024, 9:48 PM

[unreal vale]

This clip says "moments before," but it seems it was days before. I honestly don't fully follow the confirmations and denials in this story: https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/03/middleeast/lebanon-hezbollah-nasrallah-ceasefire-assassination-intl-latam/index.html

[compact ravine]

Yeah who knows whether it's true or not at this point

[unreal vale]

There's so much back and forth, I'm inclined to believe it's true. Especially because according to that article Israel is claiming a "misunderstanding," which at this point I find extremely hard to take at face value.

[compact ravine]

A misunderstanding??

Wow

[compact ravine]

But hours later, Prime Minister Benjajmin Netanyahu said Israel would “continue to hit Hezbollah with all our might.” Israeli officials tried to explain what happened as an “honest misunderstanding,” saying they thought the proposal “was the start of a process that could ultimately lead to a ceasefire.”

Yeah this doesn't square at all

[fleet shoal]

More images
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1842117257419227222?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF is saying it has seen signs of "exhaustion" among Hezbollah's fighters in southern Lebanon, which the military attributes to the killing of many of the terror group's commanders, including numerous field officers.

Hezbollah operatives have largely been using anti-tank

Twitter · Oct 4, 2024, 8:19 AM

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1842167710546801037

GeoConfirmed (@GeoConfirmed) on X

GeoConfirmed ISR.

IDF troops operating in Yaroun, Lebanon.

33.0809, 35.426526
3CJG+9J2 Yaroun, Lebanon

GeoLocated by @TwistyCB

Geolocation: https://t.co/KlNCKL4Qth

Location: https://t.co/ZWpZXNvH6J

Sources: (3/4) https://t.co/IVJOz2CX6b https://t.co/2igfojIUeU

Twitter · Oct 4, 2024, 11:39 AM

[shy idol]

||https://x.com/euromaidanpr/status/1841945821991805362||

I put this in the spoiler, as I consider this pretty suspicious claim of russian fighter among Hezbollah ranks.

Plus I saw Calibre Obscura mentioning western rifles being ubiquitous among Hezbollah, so that would be strange?

[placid pumice]

Both hezbollah and Hamas have a lot of Western small arms

[midnight peak]

back in the day, there was a huge thing with Israeli organised crime trafficking guns to Hamas and others.

[placid pumice]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/10/04/world/israel-iran-hezbollah-lebanon/c6137e80-0bff-527e-bdce-894d117b5b37?smid=url-share

[restive patrol]

Smells like war crimes to me but 🤷 https://t.me/moriahdoron/15087

[sick agate]

Google translate:

Security Political Cabinet - Moria Asraf & Doron Holy

The IDF warns: Hezbollah's ropes are trying to use alleged ambulances and rescue vehicles to move terrorists and weapons - will create these vehicles.

An IDF spokesman in Arabic writes that in recent days the phenomenon has seen several times, warning the medical teams in Lebanon to stay away from Hezbollah and not cooperate with them. He added that all vehicles used for terrorist purposes will be considered a military tool for all intents and purposes.

[sick agate]

https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1842247843936932131

افيخاي ادرعي (@AvichayAdraee) on X

#عاجل ‼️ نرصد في الأيام الأخيرة استغلال عناصر #حزب_الله بشكل متزايد لسيارات الإنقاذ من أجل نقل المخربين والوسائل القتالية.

⭕️يحذر جيش الدفاع من تداعيات استمرار هذه الظاهرة داعيًا الأطقم الطبية للابتعاد عن عناصر حزب الله وعدم التعاون معهم.

⭕️كل مركبة يُثبت أن عليها مخرب مسلح

Twitter · Oct 4, 2024, 4:58 PM

[winter heron]

Classic Israeli manufactured consent

[restive patrol]

Yep. About to get banned in that Project Owl server for saying this exact thing

[stable ledge]

We don't know.

[hollow anvil]

Hi, we only want news in this channel, not commentary. Same for @restive patrol .

[compact ravine]

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/10/04/more-than-70-irish-troops-unable-to-return-to-their-unit-in-lebanon-due-to-ongoing-hostilities/

[placid pumice]

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/04/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-new-leader-us - US prioritizing Lebanon electing new president over a ceasefire

[dense granite]

Can you add a description? There is no preview.

[split axle]

https://x.com/john_hudson/status/1842323970629984637?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A

John Hudson (@John_Hudson) on X

New: The State Department acknowledged on Friday that it mistakenly referred to a Michigan native killed in Lebanon as a non-citizen and offered “condolences” to the man’s family.

Twitter · Oct 4, 2024, 10:00 PM

[fervent nebula]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/10/4/live-israeli-bombs-rain-down-on-lebanons-beirut-gaza-occupied-west-bank

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/04/middleeast/lebanon-israel-aerial-assault-intensity-intl/index.html

[placid pumice]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30lj9m300vo

[dense granite]

Mossad’s pager operation: Inside Israel’s penetration of Hezbollah

New details emerge of Israel’s elaborate plan to sabotage Hezbollah communications devices to kill or main thousands of its operative
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/05/israel-mossad-hezbollah-pagers-nasrallah/
https://archive.ph/av0j5

[sick agate]

Does anyone know what they mean by this? [What is this two-step de-encryption that requires holding the pager with two hands?]

few appreciated the pagers’ most sinister feature: a two-step de-encryption procedure that ensured most users would be holding the pager with both hands when it detonated.

[dense granite]

As far as I understand it means it will only de-encrypt the message if you hold two buttons at the same time.

[sick agate]

[It is a bit weird that they call decryption "de-encryption" - I think it is the first time I've seen this word used]
Have anyone seen confirmations that those booby-trapped hand held radios began being inserted into Lebanon in 2015?
Would not batteries with explosives have smaller capacity from the start, and lose capacity over those years - requiring a battery replacement?
I'd assume explosives would be found in some of them, if they've been in use since 2015.
[sorry for an opinion/speculation - this article just does not sound right to me]

[foggy canopy]

The "two-step de-encryption" mentioned in the article is intriguing, and while we can't know for sure, here's a possible interpretation that could fit the scenario:

The system might have worked something like this based on established tradecraft:

The pager receives an initial message that signifies a high-priority alert.

This is quickly followed by a second message, a critical code

To "decrypt" this second message, the user might need to:

Focus on the pager to reference a One-Time-Pad.

This two-step process would likely require using both hands to manipulate the pager, fitting with the article's description.

The "two-step de-encryption" likely involved sending an unusually long emergency code (e.g., "9111443330038888882") to the pager.

This unexpected length would cause users to pay close attention and use both hands to hold and read the full message, as opposed to the quick one-handed check typical for standard short codes.

This clever tactic exploits user expectations and trained behaviors, ensuring maximum engagement with the device at the critical moment without requiring any actual decryption or input from the user.

[sick agate]

One-time-pad - would that be a list of codes stored externally? [And different for each person?]
Have you seen a good write-up on how this works? [can you share a link?]

[foggy canopy]

The wiki covers the history pretty well.

[sick agate]

So, you've meant that pagers received a long message [like OTP or a phone extension code] that for some reason required holding it with two hands?
I still do not see how reading a long message would require holding the pager with two hands.
And I still have not found what kind of decryption in relation to pagers may require the use of two hands [as described in the article].

[pseudo gyro]

It sounds like just a stupid feature they built in intentionally. There’s no technical reason it would require this – but imho it’s possibly analogous to “hold shift to display the password in plaintext rather than as asterisks” or whatever

A way to obfuscate the message unless someone was familiar with this feature, and knew that only holding down two special buttons would show the “specially encrypted” message

Remember, this entire device and all its “features” were – according to the sources above – designed, built, and deployed by the Israeli services. There doesn’t need to be a real reason other than: this “feature” would plausibly remove more fingers and hands at the time of detonation

I don’t know who brought up OTPs or why, but I don’t see any reason those would be involved

[sick agate]

AR-924 specs from the gappolo.com.tw website https://archive.is/Kw0Pg
I'd expect such a special feature to be listed there.
Non-standard interface would require users to receive some extra teaching / do some manual reading.
And could increase suspicion of Hez for little additional benefit.

Without additional corroboration, to me it sounds as if this detail had been invented either by the author or their source for the article for glorification of Mossad / this attack.

[pseudo gyro]

If you know how journalistic institutions like the Washington Post work – e.g., have spent time inside them – the last claim is fanciful 🤷🏼‍♂️ everything above that is speculative

GA said they hadn’t sold this model themselves in ages. That page is legacy for all we know. And who knows what would or wouldn’t be advertised on it

[sick agate]

Snapshot was captured on 17 Sep 2024 15:46:05 UTC, but who knows what would or would not be advertised outside of it

[pseudo gyro]

I can see when the page was captured; I’m saying, if GA execs said “we haven’t made or sold that model ourselves in more than a decade”, why would we assume the GA website is up-to-date and/or reflects features of the counterfeit device designed, marketed, and deployed by the Israeli security services using a Hungarian shell company and officers under legend?

[sick agate]

Yep, we are in agreement on this as you can see in my previous message

[proper thicket]

The video they put out does not show such a feature, but that doesn't mean much. Ideally we'd get a scan of the little booklet/manual included with the devices; given the quantity of them in circulation, it wouldn't be far-fetched to hope it eventually makes its way to the public. That would settle most questions regarding its functionality, at least from the user optic. Even better would be an intact device in the hands of experts, but I find that a lot less likely to happen.

[pseudo gyro]

LAF had a few duds iirc

[split axle]

https://x.com/AFP/status/1842945409083388210

AFP News Agency (@AFP) on X

An Israeli strike in Syria on Sunday targeted trucks transporting aid for Lebanese people, wounding three aid workers, a war monitor said, the latest such attack on the country.
https://t.co/mbjipEf8WR

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 3:10 PM

[fleet shoal]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1843180592768205138

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/Aya_Isk/status/1843321284165525628?t=ucVHx_ycu8voeNkIv9buHw&s=19

Aya Iskandarani (@Aya_Isk) on X

BREAKING: Lebanon says over 400,000 people fled to Syria in around 2 weeks, via @AFP.

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 4:03 PM

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1843335014743744518?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF has imposed a new closed military zone on the Lebanon border, in the areas of the communities of Rosh Hanikra, Shlomi, Hanita, Adamit and Arab al-Aramshe.

The military says the move follows a fresh assessment amid ground operations inside southern Lebanon.

It is the

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 4:58 PM

Notably, this is directly opposite the UNIFIL HQ at Naquora

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/franmcnulty/status/1843336096983507066

Fran McNulty (@franmcnulty) on X

BREAKING: Hezbollah says it will not return fire on IDF troops surrounding an Irish peacekeepers outpost on the Israel Lebanon border. Hezbollah has accused Israel is using peacekeepers as human shields. More coming up on @rtenews

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 5:02 PM

[sage ocean]

UNIFIL put out a statement regarding this yesterday https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-6-october-2024

[foggy canopy]

https://vxtwitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1843319913165037907

[Google Translate]

Urgent warning to vacationers, beachgoers, and anyone using boats for fishing or any other use from the Awali River line southward.

Activity forces the IDF to act against it, as the IDF will soon operate in the maritime area against Hezbollah's terrorist activities.

For your safety, refrain from being in the sea or on the beach from now until further notice. Being on the beach and boat movements in the area of ​​the Awali River line southward pose a danger to your life.

[pine egret]

https://x.com/ItayBlumental/status/1843265318145396876

איתי בלומנטל 🇮🇱 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) on X

כך נראה ההרס בכפר יארון, מול דובב ברעם ויראון, אחרי תקיפות ותמרון של צה"ל

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 12:21 PM

Google translate says: "This is what the destruction looks like in Kfar Yaron, in front of Dubev Baram and Viraon, after IDF attacks and maneuvers"

[fallen nexus]

this town always used to be a thorn in hezballah's side

even after years of intimidation and tried take overs they couldnt really dominate it

this looks like any other town raised to the ground by the russians, or bashar and his allies

[restive patrol]

Or Gaza, probably the most relevant example. Dahiyeh Doctrine and all that

[split axle]

https://x.com/Nrg8000/status/1843519820832354368
https://x.com/Nrg8000/status/1843529870623862891

Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) on X

Satellite imagery dated October 5th from @Planet
shows around 30 presumed IDF vehicles parked within bulldozed berms within 65m of UNIFIL Position 6-52.

IDF Vehicles crossed the Blue Line around 500m to the SW of the position and have taken up positions in Maroun al-Ras nearby.

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 5:12 AM

Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) on X

With this new satellite imagery it is also very easy to geolocate the photos shared to the @IrishMirror from UN troops at Position 6-52.
https://t.co/cOfkzJ7kuT
@mickthehack

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 5:52 AM

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1843747793212715288

John Hudson (@John_Hudson) on X

Biden administration no longer supporting an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon, says State Department spokesman Matthew Miller: "Yes, we do support Israel launching these incursions to degrade Hezbollah's infrastructure."

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 8:18 PM

[compact ravine]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/oct/08/israel-iran-live-blog-hezbollah-lebanon-gaza-hamas-war-middle-east-crisis-news-updates

[fallen nexus]

notice the house has glass-ware for wine making, th is was most probably a christian house and had nothing to do with hezballah
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1843362021120815331

Younis Tirawi | يونس (@ytirawi) on X

South Lebanon |

Israeli soldiers from the combat engineering corps blows up a residential building.

“O’ why isn’t it working, there is no oil in it….” ….”We also blew up the house it was in, so it was completely destroyed.”

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 6:45 PM

[fervent nebula]

Police shoot Israel terror suspect after stabbing
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/09/israel-latest-news-lebanon-middle-east-iran-hezbollah/

Pictured: Fallout from Lebanese rocket barrage in southern Israel (the source is from the article above)

[quaint gorge]

That picture isn't fallout from a rocket barrage, those are all munitions/launchers in their storage condition.

[fervent nebula]

yeah

they wrote it wrong

[quaint gorge]

More ATGM seizures in that one picture than released from the IDF from all of Gaza operations though

[fervent nebula]

I doubt the seizures are real

israel already faked these stuff during the lebanon invasion

[quaint gorge]

What do you mean?

[deep nacelle]

Is there any evidence to lead you to believe this in this specific case?

[quaint gorge]

Hezbollah has noticeably had more ATGM use than Hamas. Hamas has only released a few videos showing ATGM strikes, while Hezbollah has used them like weekly for strikes against IDF on the border, including on soft targets such as balloons and single individuals

[fervent nebula]

https://packaged-media.redd.it/qx1461edk6td1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1728486000&s=11435766eacfb78da638fa909693489decf37635

the machine gun is in hebrew

[deep nacelle]

meaning what?

I mean, what does it mean that there's Hebrew writing there?

[fervent nebula]

hezbollah probably wouldnt be having israeli machine guns

[quaint gorge]

Hezbollah and Hamas have captured IDF ammunition and equipment before its nothing new or unexpected.

[fervent nebula]

and the guns are in very good conditions

[quaint gorge]

Also that's a 1919, it's not a machine gun in current IDF service

[fervent nebula]

dont see a scratch or any kind of stain

usually a gun from a combat zone wouldnt be in the best condition

those assault rifles look very clean

[deep nacelle]

You're working backwards from the starting assumption that the IDF has faked this, and grasping at straws to try to prove that conclusion

[quaint gorge]

It doesn't show a close up of the machine gun, and it's a cache (storage site) it's not a weapon someone has been using in a trench for a month or a year.

[fervent nebula]

I mean we got a somewhat clearer image here

[deep nacelle]

... and that's evidence that the IDF has faked this?

[fervent nebula]

I mean sure? they do have a history of doing propaganda when something isnt in their favor

propaganda is strong on their side

[deep nacelle]

That's not how this works

(open source research + critical thinking, I mean)_

[quaint gorge]

There's scratches on that can. I'm not sure what condition you expect ammo cans to be in? I've had ammo cans for 10 years of the same construction that are in pretty good shape and have been roughly treated and been through several moves.

[deep nacelle]

It's fine to have a theory about an event, but confirmation bias is real. If your starting assumption is that "the IDF has faked things in the past and therefore everything the IDF does is fake", then you will absolutely "find" evidence for IDF fakery -- even where there isn't any. This is called confirmation bias and we ought to be careful to avoid it at all costs.

It's very counter-productive to spend time grasping at straws to try to prove one's preconceived ideas, and it's something that we don't like to see at all in the server.

[tight pumice]

There's been accusations but no solid proof of this, but it's being spread around on the social right now https://www.newarab.com/news/has-israel-used-toxic-depleted-uranium-lebanon

[quaint gorge]

There's nothing to support that. BLU109 and other Mk 80 series bombs do not have DU. This L'Oreint article was the first I saw making this claim and it's just completely baseless. The USNI article says nothing of the sort, and "GBU-31" is not the explosive name. The BLU-109 is just normal metal with standard tritonal or PBXN-109 explosive. The munitions that use DU are armor piericing munitions, like some APFSDS tank rounds and some medium caliber ammo

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1430194/has-israel-bombed-beiruts-southern-suburbs-with-depleted-uranium-munitions.html

[sick agate]

I think the confusion has some of it's roots in the past reporting on airstrikes using DU in Iraq/Syria, without explanation that those were not bombing runs, but 30mm autocannon fire from A-10 close air support aircraft.

[quaint gorge]

Yeah it's that and then some just outright disinformation by previous conspiracy theorists like Dr. Busby that made outlandish claims.

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/MairavZ/status/1844094090092347560

Mairav Zonszein מרב זונשיין (@MairavZ) on X

Biden Admin just warned Israel: "Don't let Lebanon become another Gaza," effectively admitting that Israel is using the same methods of depopulation and destruction in both places, and somehow making it seem like that's OK for Palestinians, but not for Lebanese.

Twitter · Oct 9, 2024, 7:14 PM

[pseudo gyro]

For what it’s worth issuing a warning of “don’t do it again” pretty manifestly does not, in fact, endorse the prior act

The strong implication would seem to be “that thing you are thinking about doing again was not okay the first time”

[compact ravine]

This isn't the channel to debate that kind of thing. The Israel-Palestine channel, IIRC, is the place for that kind of discussion

[pseudo gyro]

If it’s not, then the tweet posted isn’t suitable either, since it adds more or less nothing to the discussion in terms of open source evidence

I’m also not “debating”, I’m pointing out a reason to doubt the source posted as someone who’s supposedly quoting the administration. They are pretty clearly editorializing a simple statement they’re quoting – if the Biden admin even said it – in what is clearly less than good faith

[compact ravine]

The tweet is a translation, by a reputable Israeli journalist, of a tweet in Hebrew that quotes US officials (no link in the Hebrew tweet that I could see). My experience in following this journalist and their reporting leads me to disagree with your assertions. If you don't feel it belongs here you can discuss it with a moderator.

[pseudo gyro]

The tweet speaks for itself, I don’t have anything beyond what I already said to add

Here’s a less inflammatory and more analytic way to post what you posted:

https://x.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1844091975877918935

Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) on X

הממשל האמריקני מזהיר את ישראל בפומבי הלילה, בעקבות האיומים של ישראלים להחריף את המתקפות בלבנון: "אסור לאפשר שלבנון תהפוך לעוד עזה"

Twitter · Oct 9, 2024, 7:06 PM

Google translate

Hope that helps

[compact ravine]

I understand what you're saying though I don't really agree. If you want to discuss further there's aforementioned channel or DMs

[olive kettle]

Going from this - machine gun is probably something Hezbollah captured in the 80s/90s - Israel converted these to NATO 7.62 and mounted them around the time they were in South Lebanon

An oddly interesting find

[split axle]

https://x.com/ap/status/1844126906955829548?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A

The Associated Press (@AP) on X

5 paramedics killed in Israeli airstrike on a civil defense center in southern Lebanon https://t.co/N64rpwyNt1

Twitter · Oct 9, 2024, 9:24 PM

[winter heron]

I mean I think the actions combined with lack of meaningful condemnation show the US perspective pretty well on both conflicts

Strange thing to get stuck on at this point

[deep nacelle]

Let's keep this channel for news please

Back and forths can go to DM or #israel-palestine

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/claudatanios/status/1844327466158129387

[quaint gorge]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-fire-3-unifil-positions-southern-lebanon-un-source-says-2024-10-10/

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1844340895652462722/en ( happened yesterday, belongs to Lebanese army)

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/TeNTVEG/status/1844347024449339496d/en
https://fxtwitter.com/TeNTVEG/status/1844347204762468487/en
https://fxtwitter.com/TeNTVEG/status/1844347306155630615/en

[empty reef]

UNIFIL's press release
https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-10-october

[empty reef]

If I remember it right, UNIFIL are unarmed

[true seal]

As in the UN personnel in Lebanon?
They are armed

Wouldn't be the first time Israel strikes the UN anyways

[fleet shoal]

they are relatively well armed but not with heavy weapons, according to the UNIFIL website there are major contingents from Ireland, Malaysia, Ghana and Italy amongst others, which include motorised and mechanised infantry formations

https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-troop-contributing-countries

this image shows the deployments of the UNIFIL contingents as of August 2024

note that the area that is under Israeli fire, Naquora, is the UNIFIL headquarters, and that Nepalese and Ghanan mechanised infantry companies are at least on paper stationed in areas known to be affected by IDF ground ops, though of course their deployments have likely changed

[pine egret]

Does this thread still count as "Israel - hezbollah”? Seems like hezbollah is not the only target. "Israel-Lebanon" seems like it would be more accurate.

[deep nacelle]

Israel - Lebanon 2024 Clashes

agreed, changed the name

[ruby vessel]

Guessing it's this one at 33.094344, 35.105904: https://www.google.com/maps/place/33°05'39.6"N+35°06'21.3"E/@33.0945112,35.1054495,317m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d33.0943443!4d35.1059044?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Can see it in the background of a 2024 UNIFIL Flickr image https://www.flickr.com/photos/unifil/53847409691/in/photolist-2q3mgEz-2q3j3n2-2q3ewMz-2q3j3jb-2q3kSxm-2q3j3Tn-2q3mhvY-2q3j3Wt-2q3kTUp-2q3j4Qh-2q3mjsJ-2q3mjpc-2q3kqUM-2q3kUt5-2q3mhnG-2q3j5qF-2q3j2BQ-2q3kRU7-2q3j2s6-2q3knMV-2q3evHa/

[past mulch]

Rare time we get a clean 1:1 google street view to new photo in MENA. From one of the strikes in Beirut that levelled a building:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8863346,35.50163,3a,75y,133.72h,100.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHtKzQ5oYworl2nKlbAkFLA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-10.218420684849804%26panoid%3DHtKzQ5oYworl2nKlbAkFLA%26yaw%3D133.7247454699855!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Chris Osieck with the original geolocation

[shy idol]

I saw PL Defence Minister's tweet in which he wrote 'an attack was made against UNFIL' without specifying the party. I wonder whether others have noticed similar for other officials.

[sick agate]

Prime Minister of Ireland - without specifying the party or mentioning the act of direct fire on UNIFIL positions:

Any firing in the vicinity of UNIFIL troops or facilities is reckless and must stop.

https://fixupx.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1844341479755632978

Oh, 2 hours later:
https://fixupx.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1844364292201775207

[fleet shoal]

https://x.com/toialerts/status/1844651049447235759?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

ToI ALERTS (@TOIAlerts) on X

Live update: UN source says two UNIFIL peacekeepers again injured by IDF fire in southern Lebanon https://t.co/aPpSK7xFsW

Twitter · Oct 11, 2024, 8:07 AM

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1844721645455360236?t=DVd-6_vMb6QI9xyB9m_uBQ&s=19

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

Statement:

This morning, UNIFIL’s Naqoura headquarters was affected by explosions for the second time in the last 48 hours.

Twitter · Oct 11, 2024, 12:48 PM

[placid pumice]

Israeli opposition leader proposes a new puppet SLA in Southern Lebanon https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2024/10/08/lebanon-needs-a-new-army-in-the-south-says-yair-lapid

Israeli strategic "thought" everyone

[flat valley]

Here is the full statement they posted today.

https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-11-october-2024-0

[sage ocean]

Apparently they "warned" UNIFIL to move yesterday (which I guess would be in violation of treaty, right?) https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-recommends-lebanon-peace-keepers-move-says-un-envoy-2024-10-10/

[placid pumice]

A reminder of previous IDF behavior towards UNIFIL https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/un-officer-reported-israeli-war-crimes-before-deadly-bombing-widow-1.703087

The attack in 2006 on Patrol Base Khiam went on for several hours and UNIFIL command repeatedly begged the Israelis to stop firing. Khiam had been a UNIFIL base for 30 years and was well known as a UN base to everyone on the border for years. It was deliberately targeted and destroyed, and the four peacekeepers were murdered.

Now the IDF is firing tank rounds repeatedly right into UNIFIL HQ.

[quaint gorge]

https://vxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1844418668458860653

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/LebarmyOfficial/status/1844747125248127355/en

[sick agate]

Joint statement by the leaders of Spain, France and Italy on the recent targeting of UNIFIL
https://www.governo.it/sites/governo.it/files/Joint_statement_UNIFIL.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/france-italy-spain-condemn-targeting-unifil-by-idf-joint-statement-2024-10-11/

[olive kettle]

interesting that it's the lebanese army here - were there any other direct army vs army clashes before?

[placid pumice]

Yes, Israel has killed dozens of Lebanese Army personnel in the past few months

From a few months ago: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/us-israel-attacks-lebanon-military/index.html

Over 2 million Lebanese displaced https://carnegieendowment.org/middle-east/diwan/2024/10/on-the-ground-with-lebanons-displaced?lang=en

[sage ocean]

So many already refugees from before, right? Or are they counted separately?...

[placid pumice]

No, these are just counting Lebanese citizens per the Lebanese government

[sage ocean]

So how many refugees to be added? Because I think several of the refugee camps have also been abandoned by people fleeing too right?

[sage ocean]

UNRWA have an update https://www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-report-5-lebanon-emergency-response

(from a couple days ago mind)

[steady glade]

I think this should be a must-read at the moment, since it actually gives a sense of what the situation is from the ground as the author lives in a area that is directly affected. Thanks for linking it!

[quaint gorge]

New round of evacuation orders issued by the IDF
https://x.com/weatherwar/status/1845057265339970000?t=O0J1JL_K40kJVPMRtRr0sA&s=19
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1845026806874644945?t=sydVzk_bAa_WhihwkabPpg&s=19

A. Baydoun (@weatherwar) on X

October 12th - As evacuation orders by the Israeli military expand in South Lebanon, around 13 cities/ villages are now besieged and trapped. These communities have not received evacuation orders, as you can see on the map. #Lebanon

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 11:01 AM

افيخاي ادرعي (@AvichayAdraee) on X

🟡 بيان عاجل إلى سكان #جنوب_لبنان
إلى سكان القرى التالية:

عيتا الشعب, رامية, ياطر, قوزح , بيت ليف, حنين , رشاف, عينتا, القليلة, الحوش, نبعة, تولين, التمرية , الخيام, الخربة, كفر حمام, عرب اللويزة, جسر ابو زبله, جبل العدس, ضهر برية جابر, كفرا, رمادية, زبقين.

إن نشاط حزب الله

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 9:00 AM

[quaint gorge]

Two more instances of UNIFIL taking fire, with one wounded by gunfire and buildings sustaining "significant damage" from shelling
https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1845087712279228665?t=VGy3KZ0H5OW7K8lXBc6Ifw&s=19

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

Statement:
 
Last night, a peacekeeper at UNIFIL’s headquarters in Naqoura was hit by gunfire due to ongoing military activity nearby. He underwent surgery at our Naqoura hospital to remove the bullet and is currently stable. We do not yet know the origin of the fire.

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 1:02 PM

[placid pumice]

Was the shelling at UNIFIL HQ?

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1845087715076739284?t=fTGgCf_FoZY1Sij0PzQoaQ&s=19

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

Also last night, buildings in our UN position in Ramyah sustained significant damage due to explosions from nearby shelling.

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 1:02 PM

[sick agate]

https://fixupx.com/AdHaque110/status/1844386413455999140

[fleet shoal]

Gallant now openly accusing Hezbollah of using UNIFIL as cover

https://x.com/toialerts/status/1845376821938053466?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

ToI ALERTS (@TOIAlerts) on X

Live update: Gallant to Austin: Hezbollah using south Lebanon UNIFIL posts as cover to open fire https://t.co/o9dKafOCnV

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 8:11 AM

[true seal]

Classic

[tight pumice]

IDF soldiers allegedly looting https://fixupx.com/ytirawi/status/1844864688506507759

https://x.com/guyelster/status/1845414611920523479

Guy Elster (@guyelster) on X

Netanyahu also criticized European countries, which condemned Israel over attacks on UNIFIL, said they are putting pressure in the wrong place. He expressed sorrow over the injuries some UNIFIL forces have suffered

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 10:41 AM

[tight pumice]

https://x.com/guyelster/status/1845442497582973096?

Guy Elster (@guyelster) on X

Israeli army believes that Hezbollah has less than third of its pre-war missiles stockpiles, according to Israeli media, citing a briefing by the Defense Minister during a government meeting

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 12:32 PM

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1845469073171157427/en
https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1845469105140240578/en

[sage ocean]

UNIFIL have a statement up on their news site

https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-13-october-2024

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1845446647494361206

Prime Minister of Israel (@IsraeliPM) on X

PM Netanyahu: "I appeal to the UN Secretary General; Your refusal to evacuate UNIFIL soldiers has turned them into hostages of Hezbollah."

Full remarks >>
https://t.co/YOUp2Yvw20

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 12:49 PM

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/Phosphor_Abyad/status/1845503317885219326

Anyone familiar with this account?

White Phosphorus Observers (@Phosphor_Abyad) on X

#UNIFIL peacekeepers at UNP 5-42 in Ramiya suffered gastrointestinal symptoms, consistent with White Phosphorus (WP) exposure — unlike any other incendiary weapon used by Israel. Our data from the past year shows similar effects in residents. #Lebanon

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 4:34 PM

[fallen nexus]

drone strike on mess-hall at military base
https://x.com/AP/status/1845522055300583790

The Associated Press (@AP) on X

BREAKING: Israel's rescue service says almost 40 people were wounded in a Hezbollah drone strike in central Israel. https://t.co/mfPEJwBeeT

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 5:48 PM

https://x.com/talhagin/status/1845517402882122212

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

There are a lot of incorrect and conflicting reports about the suicide drone incident, so let me summarize some details:
1. The strike (Suicide drone) occurred on a Golani base near Binyamina.
2. Casualties: No clear count - Keeps rising.
3. No sirens were activated.

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 5:30 PM

[fleet shoal]

Seems to be a fairly recent account with few posts, there is some analysis but some of it seems suspect, this post in particular is quite presumptive for the lack of evidence
https://vxtwitter.com/phosphor_abyad/status/1840842382700658859?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

It’s also an assumption based purely on symptoms, as I posted above said symptoms are also consistent with tear gas, as UNIFIL has not provided any further details it’s purely speculating

[compact ravine]

It's the first time I've heard of WP being associated with those symptoms. Also funny that the account claims to have seen this before yet prior tweets show nothing.

Would there also be fires started from using this?

[fallen nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/ahmadibraa47/status/1845527706890297429/en

[fleet shoal]

WP has a propensity to start fires in dry brush, but again no evidence of such things yet

My issue with that account is that it’s an account expressly for the purpose of recording WP, so it has an incentive whenever rumours of a chemical incident occurs to say that it’s WP with or without evidence

The simple fact is that we don’t know and I doubt this account knows any better than we do

[placid fossil]

the UNIFIL account talks about the incident and claims that some of the peacekeepers suffered chemical effects.

https://twitter.com/unifil_/status/1845470755015762208?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

https://twitter.com/unifil_/status/1845470764239056972?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

UNIFIL statement:

Early this morning, peacekeepers at a UN position in Ramyah observed three platoons of IDF soldiers crossing the Blue Line into Lebanon.

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 2:24 PM

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

Despite putting on protective masks, fifteen peacekeepers suffered effects, including skin irritation and gastrointestinal reactions, after the smoke entered the camp. The peacekeepers are receiving treatment.

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 2:24 PM

[compact ravine]

Yeah I posted that in the Israel Palestine channel by mistake this morning

[sage ocean]

There was a thread on WP before though not so much with symptoms but on how to recognise it some time ago at #1205963393169887232 (FYI. just in case)

[pure sparrow]

they were careful to avoid describing the severity of the issues which to me signals they aren't sure. Skin irritation and intestinal pain can be side effects of just about anything, including shock from being near an explosion. So it feels really premature to attribute this to chemical weapons.

[placid fossil]

The CDC also has a section on White Phosphorus inhalation/ingestion.

It’s a dangerous chemical irritant

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750025.html#:~:text=Chronic industrial inhalation exposure to,” or “Lucifer's jaw.”

[placid fossil]

It’s likely WP, probably not a different chemical agent.

[stuck sequoia]

Since morning depends on the timezone, here the direct link: #1160132507472244839 message

[pure sparrow]

Israel's priorities are still the destruction of infrastructure that can by "their enemies." Which is why I'm skeptical of the idea that Israel would switch to chemical weapons when explosives are already doing the job they want done

[compact ravine]

They explicitly link inhalation of the smoke/fumes/gas to the symptoms in the tweet, and the symptoms are severe enough to require "treatment"

[pure sparrow]

I know. I also know that Israel has white phosphorous in the past. I just think it's too early to draw conclusions about what was used in this case. If you inhaled the debris raised up by a collapsing building you would also suffer similar side effects.

[stuck sequoia]

People tend to jump to the chemical weapons explanation quite quickly whenever symptoms like these are mentioned. But it almost never turns out to be chemical weapons. The unfortunate reality is that many weapons tend to produce pretty harmful byproducts. Not to speak of all the stuff that demolished buildings can release.

[compact ravine]

Oh yeah there is no certitude about what it would be specifically at this point. Undoubtedly it would have been mentioned in the report if it was obvious what it was.

To be clear, the report explicitly mentions the (40) rounds themselves emitting the smoke. Not a byproduct of explosions, collapsing buildings, etc. Seeing projectiles landing and emitting an obvious smoke caused them to mask up as a precaution (which wasn't entirely effective), and the symptoms are explicitly linked to the smoke, which again is explicitly linked in the report to these rounds themselves.

[stuck sequoia]

More generally speaking, highly energetic events almost always result in really interesting and rare chemistry happening. Unfortunately, the human body doesn't particularly like interesting chemistry interfering with its own chemistry.

[placid fossil]

I think it’s best to differentiate between a chemical irritant vs chemical weapon.

[dense granite]

@fallen nexus I deleted the graphic video. Please refer to rule #2 before posting anything.

[fallen nexus]

yeah, so sorry, forgot again

[dense granite]

I think the difficulty in doing that is exactly why there are rules against them.

[quaint gorge]

Even just "normal" HC smoke is toxic.

[sick agate]

Here are symptoms for phosphorus pentoxide [WP smoke]:
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Phosphorus-pentoxide#section=First-Aid

Here are [some?] symptoms for hexachloroethane [HC smoke commonly used by Israel]:
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/6214#section=First-Aid

I tried to look up if HC inhalation causes gastrointestinal symptoms, and it apparently does not [though maybe choking can cause vomiting?]
[moved from Israel-Palestine war news channel]

[split axle]

https://x.com/RedCrossLebanon/status/1845358103648219223?t=ZQ87KPbn2q4gx_vbI3_Z3g&s=19

Lebanese Red Cross (@RedCrossLebanon) on X

Following the airstrike on a house in Sirbine in South Lebanon on Sunday 13th of October at 8am, Lebanese Red Cross ambulance teams were dispatched to the scene in coordination with UNIFIL.

As the team was searching for casualties to rescue, the house was hit for a second time

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 6:57 AM

[sullen dune]

Hi, is the UNIFIL location from yesterday event the same as this on?

https://israel-alma.org/2023/04/20/the-training-of-unit-1701/

[split axle]

https://x.com/m_osint/status/1845574119095730495

Mostafa (@m_osint) on X

Geolocation of drone attack on Israeli base (Golani)
32.526020, 35.061497
the base is near Kaft Qara not Binyamina

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 9:15 PM

[steady glade]

Usage of WP in southern Lebanon is well known and a common occurrence, and the description provided by Synnöve seems consistent with it.

[humble willow]

No, the UN base which was attacked is UNP 5-42, at 33°06'18.8"N 35°19'03.8"E, the base mentioned here(and I'd note that the reporting is highly sensationalised and certainly unverified) is 33.108566329877036, 35.28528953710824

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/chehayebk/status/1845804932420563038

Kareem Chehayeb | كريم شهيب (@chehayebk) on X

#Lebanon: At least 18 people killed in an Israeli strike on a residence deep into northern Lebanon near Ehden, says @RedCrossLebanon

7 units have been deployed in the small town of Aito, and they are still searching for bodies under the rubble.

Some of the footage is gruesome.

Twitter · Oct 14, 2024, 12:32 PM

[feral olive]

I thought it would be of some relevance to share that, according to domestic Israeli reports (https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/s1ji31but, https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b1i4dtelp), munitions containing WP have been confirmed by IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari to be used for brush clearing purposes, with technical term "fortified brush areas" used to refer to thick vegetation under which Hezbollah stores munition stockpiles or has bunker openings. The IDF is cited as arguing these munitions are used both to create smokescreens over anti-tank missile positions and to burn through the brush. I couldn't find information on the specific shells the IDF uses for these purposes.

[placid pumice]

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-idf-announces-names-of-4-soldiers-killed-in-hezbollah-drone-strike?minutetv=true

re: incident at Golani training base

[true seal]

https://x.com/EdyCohen/status/1845574276096934320

إيدي كوهين אדי כהן 🇮🇱 (@EdyCohen) on X

الانتخابات الأمريكية بعد حوالي ٣ اسابيع.
الولاء والطاعة لبنيامين نتنياهو من قبل حكام امريكا أكثر من أي وقت مضى.

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 9:16 PM

Not sure if this place is the best to ask this but what is the context of the image?
I cannot even tell if it is real

Translation:
The US elections are in about 3 weeks.
Loyalty and obedience to Benjamin Netanyahu by the American rulers more than ever.

[quaint gorge]

They use M825 series WP 155mm artillery projectiles, US and domestic production.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/12/11/israel-us-white-phosphorus-lebanon/

[stuck sequoia]

It's almost certainly fake. I was unable to find any legitimate sources for this image.

Also, I've never seen someone hang paintings on curtains instead of walls

[true seal]

lol now that you mention it, it is pretty obvious

just found it weird

since Edy Cohen is the one who posted it

[steady glade]

Concur, and the likelihood of a US president bowing before a foreign leader is about as likely as me becoming POTUS this election.

[stuck sequoia]

Most of the posts I found with this image used it in a blatantly antisemitic context.

These AI-generated fakes have become really convincing.

But that's a topic for #1089154093810978866

[compact ravine]

Carpet having no real pattern, faces don't match reality, Trump and Harris relative size are all wrong, table on the right is missing a leg

[true seal]

Yeah it does seem to be going in that direction

Which is why I found it really weird that Edy Cohen posted it

[compact ravine]

These images are only convincing at a glance.

[late wharf]

this image screams "AI"

[stuck sequoia]

Do you have any additional observations in addition to what's been shared already?

[placid pumice]

New Yorker: War Comes to Beirut: https://archive.ph/Hi7Sy#selection-987.0-1004.0

one of the main takeaways from the article is that Israel's targeting set is perceived on the ground as going far beyond known Hezbollah targets and amounts instead to collective punishment

[placid pumice]

More details: Aitou was a Christian town in Lebanon's north, and the mayor says the building that was struck was rented to displaced families. Hezbollah fired rockets at Tel Aviv in response. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/14/israeli-airstrike-kills-christian-town-northern-lebanon-gaza?utm_source=press.coop

[bleak iron]

What are the rules of engagement for the UNFIL personnel?

[olive kettle]

Laying out specific guidelines, the statement said all UNIFIL personnel may exercise the inherent right of self-defence; use force to ensure that their area of operations is not used for hostile activities; and resist attempts by force to prevent them from discharging their duties under the Council mandate.
Moreover force may be used to protect UN personnel, installations and equipment; to ensure the security and freedom of movement of UN personnel and humanitarian workers; and to protect civilians under imminent threat of physical violence in the areas of deployment.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2006/10/194742

Also RoE covers the equipment too - I saw photos in the past of UNIFIL MBTs and IFVs but from recent photos I only see Patria Pasi APCs and Irish MOWAG Piranhas. Which seems to highlight a complaint by UNIFIL of not enough equipment

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/world/2024/10/14/rules-of-engagement-not-good-to-disarm-hezbollah-tajani_cf8b5ffd-6766-4d76-a0e4-c8ba3eba582a.html

[bleak iron]

Thanks, I wonder what constitutes "hostile activities" & whether we will only discover that when the injuries to personnel are more severe including death

[olive kettle]

I know there was a UNIFIL peacekeeper killed by Hezbollah in 2022 - maybe you might be able to find something down that path

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1846099955460558928/en
https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1846186880661958904/en

[true seal]

Any more details on this?

Never heard of this before

[proper thicket]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hezbollah-said-to-hand-over-suspect-in-killing-of-irish-unifil-soldier/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/26/hezbollah-backer-detained-in-probe-of-irish-un-officials-murder

(Note: this is from 2022, as per reply chain, so people don't think it's recent)

[split axle]

"Since the escalation of tensions between Israel and Lebanon on 17 September 2024, WHO has verified 23 attacks on health care that have led to 72 deaths and 43 injuries among health workers and patients. Fifteen incidents impacted health facilities, while 13 impacted health transport."
https://x.com/WHO/status/1846239142855708888

World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) on X

Hospitals in #Lebanon are under massive strain as they strive to sustain essential health services while dealing with an unprecedented influx of injured people.

The understaffed and under-resourced health system has been struggling to maintain uninterrupted services to all those

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 5:18 PM

[reef berry]

https://www.thejournal.ie/use-of-force-rules-of-engagement-unifil-irish-troops-6514751-Oct2024/

[pure sparrow]

that's a lot of words to say 'peacekeepers may not fire at the IDF'

[tawny crater]

In a separate incident at the weekend 15 Ghanaian soldiers were injured when IDF soldiers fired rounds that emitted smoke and caused “skin irritation and gastrointestinal reactions”.

From the above article
I did a bit of searching, but I can't find any other sources that mention this for more details. I'm curious if they used WP, smoke, or maybe pepper gas (not CS gas, my guess is the report would've said that) since that has a similar appearance.

Anyone able to find anything more there?

[pure sparrow]

there was a conversation about it here. Nothing seems conclusive. All we can say is that IDF has used WP in the region and that UNIFIL's people showed symptoms consistent with exposure to WP but also consistent with inhaling the debris from a collapsed building (which also happened).

[tawny crater]

thanks!

[placid pumice]

https://xcancel.com/jimsciutto/status/1846269612197101875

https://xcancel.com/jimsciutto/status/1846270201064526090

[fleet shoal]

https://vxtwitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1846216880278667534

[pure sparrow]

so did Israel see it and notify UNIFIL who went on to ignore it? Or did both sides miss it for over a year?

[fleet shoal]

it's extremely unclear, we're taking the IDF's word that the tunnel was built in late 2023. Israel has accused UNIFIL of covering for Hezbollah, which the agency has flatly denied. either way, it's still too early to make any assumptions outside that there is indeed some sort of Hezbollah tunnel near a UNIFIL position

[pure sparrow]

I'm always down for assuming whatever E-3s got stuck on observation duty just took it as an opportunity to sleep. But I doubt people will find that a helpful conclusion

[urban veldt]

Is it possible to determine from the video alone what it's constructed out of and what tools could have been used?

[steady glade]

You're not gonna detect it with any sort of SAR, even with the hatch open it's what, 3x3 meters? Ain't no way anyone would be able to distinguish it even if the area was a specific point of interest.

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/Leila_MA/status/1846467643080933378

Leila Molana-Allen (@Leila_MA) on X

The mayor of Nabatieh, one of the largest & most vibrant towns in south #Lebanon, has been killed in an #Israel’i airstrike. Panicked messages from first responders: “They hit the municipality. The mayor’s inside. They’re all inside, no one left alive. Everyone’s been killed.”

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 8:26 AM

[olive kettle]

https://x.com/war_noir/status/1846502051389255776

War Noir (@war_noir) on X

#Lebanon / #Palestine / #Israel 🇱🇧🇵🇸🇮🇱: #IDF reportedly captured a weaponry belonging to #Hezbollah in south of Lebanon.

Among the seized weapons 106mm M433 HEAT-FS projectiles can be seen. These are produced by #Spain 🇪🇸 in 1985 and later supplied by #Iran 🇮🇷 to Hezbollah.

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 10:42 AM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/israel-mfa/4114736568 similar arms to those seized from the MV Francop in 2009

[flat valley]

Regarding that point, Geoconfirmed has this tweet posted on their website a ammo dump a short distance away from the tunnel which is also located nearby the camp in question from a IDF video posted on October 13.

https://fixupx.com/m_osint/status/1845554917445902585

https://fixupx.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1845550135243087896

[urban veldt]

Is was curious about that because this image didn't seem to show the tower from the video at the UNIFIL compound, was wondering where it was meant to be.

[flat valley]

Ok, found the tweet that Geolocated was using as a source for the location of the tunnel, unfortunately it was cut off by the embed.

https://fixupx.com/MiddleEastBuka/status/1846098704169578989

According to the post, the Tower was new and isn't present in satellite imagery, so I suspect that they are either using a older image of the area in this photo or used the black line for the border to cover over where the fence line and tower would be.

Edit: With that said, can someone please translate the text in this photo.

[urban veldt]

Thanks, that explains the discrepancy. Has UNIFIL commented on this tunnel outside of their main online channels of communication? Seems dangerous if a Hezbollah-Israel clash happened right near them.

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/MarioLeb79/status/1846499868652568993

 𝓂𝒶𝓇𝒾𝑜🇱🇧🇬🇧🇦🇪 (@MarioLeb79) on X

🚨🚨🚨
Another footage for Mhaibib Village
Gone, All Gone with 1 button

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 10:34 AM

https://x.com/MarioLeb79/status/1846478266724479075

 𝓂𝒶𝓇𝒾𝑜🇱🇧🇬🇧🇦🇪 (@MarioLeb79) on X

Mhaibib .... Gone
📍33°09'17.0"N 35°30'20.0"E

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 9:08 AM

[past mulch]

Mhaibib is basically entirely gone now. Via Planet.
Video of its destruction: https://x.com/BeirutCalling/status/1846536014245896626

Michael Young (@BeirutCalling) on X

Israeli forces in South Lebanon dynamiting an entire village (Mhaibib). Like the attack against the Nabatiyyeh municipality building today, killing several members of the municipal council, it shows Israel is in the process of depopulating parts of the south, with U.S. approval.

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 12:57 PM

Source on the previously linked video: https://t.me/idf_telegram/12636

[restive patrol]

I wonder if Dahiyeh is considered "southern Lebanon" to them

[hollow anvil]

Discussion of government strategy etc goes in #israel-palestine . The forum posts should just be about on the ground happenings so people doing geolocation, etc, can see what's new

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1846609207086154039/en
https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1846610593781805566/en

[dense granite]

Isn't that just a translation from the UNIFIL statement into Arabic and then back into English?

I'd go to the source and post that.

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1846610327573582091?t=2Sydbr1uJ_cGhDTmlM2BJA&s=19

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

UNIFIL statement:

This morning, peacekeepers at a position near Kafer Kela observed an IDF Merkava tank firing at their watchtower. Two cameras were destroyed, and the tower was damaged.

Yet again we see direct and apparently deliberate fire on a UNIFIL position.

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 5:53 PM

[placid fossil]

Kfar Kila is stationed by Spanish peacekeepers/in the Spanish sector

[tepid island]

I spoke to one of the Peacekeepers stationed at UNP 9-15 a few hours ago, and he was Indonesian. I believe the position is just inside the Indonesian AOR.

[tawny crater]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/israeli-airstrike-kills-mayor-city-southern-lebanon

[sullen dune]

Anyone can confirm the authenticity of this video? Am not aware of any Chinese troops in UNIFIL at the moment, so might be old video

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7252385443470528514

[tepid island]

I haven't seen this video before but that is UNP 5-10, which is manned by Chinese soldiers serving as UN Peacekeepers. The camera is at about 33.183554, 35.235968. Not sure when it was taken though

[sullen dune]

Thanks!!! So there a chance it’s recent? (Sorry I don’t know Chinese so can’t read the TV captions)

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/Leila_MA/status/1847616942053449948

Leila Molana-Allen (@Leila_MA) on X

BREAKING: the mayor of Somhor has been killed in an #Israeli air strike alongside 3 others in #Lebanon’s eastern Bekaa valley. Several others are wounded.

Twitter · Oct 19, 2024, 12:33 PM

[compact ravine]

Wrong channel I think

[true seal]

Surprised that no one posted about the Netanyahu assassination attempt

[stable ledge]

I was on my PC the whole day and no breaking news or sth on Twitter. I hear it now the first time.

[true seal]

It was all over the news this morning (Lebanon/Israel time)

Check Al-Jazeera

Some (unconfirmed) reports about him being injured

More like speculation rather than reports

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1847686585552134536?t=2BKA6VQGzOGYwKy2H2r46A&s=19

Benjamin Netanyahu - בנימין נתניהו (@netanyahu) on X

The attempt by Iran’s proxy Hezbollah to assassinate me and my wife today was a grave mistake.

This will not deter me or the State of Israel from continuing our just war against our enemies in order to secure our future.

I say to Iran and its proxies in its axis of evil:

Twitter · Oct 19, 2024, 5:09 PM

[true seal]

Is it possible to add some speculation here? Since a heavy emphasis is being placed by Israel that Iran is behind this compared to other strikes

Even though Hezbollah took full responsibility

This likely has to do with Israel preparing a retaliation strike against Iran for this

All speculation of course, but it is really peculiar how Iran is being called out for this event in particular

[stable ledge]

@opal oak just posted this https://x.com/evanhill/status/1847684128059380034?t=DgJTS5V2v2OEAbD1ZdSdDw&s=19

Evan Hill (@evanhill) on X

Ynet's Ron Ben-Yishai reports on two possibly leaked Pentagon documents dating to Oct. 15/16, which he calls apparently authentic, detailing US surveillance on Israel's preparations for a retaliatory strike on Iran https://t.co/zcHPjajw56

Twitter · Oct 19, 2024, 4:59 PM

[stuck sequoia]

On this occasion, a general reminder to everyone: Do not post leaked documents or links to leaked documents here. Thanks!

[stable ledge]

Didn't see the second tweet, I'll delete

[stuck sequoia]

Oh, this wasn't directed at you at all

[stable ledge]

So what shall I do now

[stuck sequoia]

We can't control what people reply to a tweet. So I think it's fine to leave it up.

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/TactixMilitary/status/1847697847782944789/en

[split axle]

footage of the uav
https://fxtwitter.com/Bk_Hanas/status/1847495155076530514/en

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/kann_news/status/1847688711217304026/en ( kan 11 is Israeli gov funded channel)

[compact ravine]

That isn't anything new. The bulk of his address to the US Congress was focusing on Iran as being the ultimate enemy of Israel/US

[tawny crater]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx2k377zkqyt

There might be retaliatory strikes happening, at least based on what Netanyahu said. Looks like an increase in airstrikes in Beirut after a few relatively quiet days. It's unclear from what I've read if the strikes are directly in response to the attack or if they were planned anyway.

Notably, a while ago there was an assassination attempt from an Israeli citizen recruited by Iran
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-recruited-by-iran-in-plot-to-kill-netanyahu-gallant-or-shin-bet-head-bar/

[flat valley]

Found the source of the video in one of the replies, and it is from a CCTV news broadcast.

https://x.com/LGalrao/status/1846983745670467917

Is there anybody who speaks/reads Chinese to translate this video?

Luís Galrão (@LGalrao) on X

@GeoConfirmed Date is September 23rd according to the original source: https://t.co/ueX9o0wrFJ
(also on YT: https://t.co/W2kfGpzJ5s) #factcheck

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 6:36 PM

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/nytimes/status/1847984894787383448?t=HWmqU1X417pdsDd8RZEf8Q&s=19

The New York Times (@nytimes) on X

Leaked documents provide insight into a potential strike by Israel on Iran in the coming days. American officials are trying to determine the source of the leak, which describes military drills and weapons placement, and how damaging it might be. https://t.co/b98caHue3P

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 12:55 PM

[sick agate]

Israel announced multiple strikes on bank branches in Lebanon:
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848060472857346104

24 images designating them as targets:
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848070347498930259
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848070912047985065
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848071296845860974
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848071868575519082
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848074801136419014
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848079407006486751
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848080682691514741
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1848082744687075496

At least one airstrike had been executed:
https://x.com/weatherwar/status/1848091567334051881

[fallen nexus]

real footage of strikes near beirut airport
https://fxtwitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1848123477393371362

the first few seconds

i'm highly certain however that this specific image is fake
https://x.com/GissiSim/status/1848122943940833780

Gissur Simonarson (@GissiSim) on X

Crazy photo from Lebanon tonight. Landing to airstrikes

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 10:03 PM

that doesnt look like beirut airport, random lines going off into nowhere, also the fire looks like its in the middle of the airfield
i think its ai generated

[olive kettle]

plane also doesn't match anything MEA operates, closest they have would be an a330 but the AI drew it based of a 777 (see nose shape and landing gear)

[subtle igloo]

Biggest AI flaw : None of the background elements make any sense and the longer you look at it, the weirder it is.
The tail doesnt match anything and is weirdly lit. assuming there are still any air operation left in Beiruth the pilot wouldnt have landed while the airport is being bombed.

[olive kettle]

i actually have the explanation to the weird lighting for the tail: some planes have a set of lights for the tail (also, the AI drawing has some weird red stripe going down past the tail, I'm 100% sure it used an Emirates plane as the reference here)

[hollow anvil]

You can see at :21 the tail of a plane with the same livery parked. I took the circulating screenshot and entered it into Google Image Search and got no matches.

Their fleet on Wikipedia shows the tail stripe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Airlines

[olive kettle]

it's honestly a very good rendition by AI, but the plane in the video is an a320/321 based off wing size (likely a320 based off fuselage length but not 100%)

[fallen nexus]

the al arabiya footage is very real, its from their livefeed, you can check the hd stream live on youtube

the still image with the big fireball is fake

[hollow anvil]

I don't know anything about planes, just doing the general "is this disinformation" checks

[fallen nexus]

link to livefeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJqcFN-hjGg

[hollow anvil]

The image has @RaphealaRR as a watermark, which I didn't find on Twitter, but if that account posts wild shit and AI stuff that would be a good indication

[fallen nexus]

the fake image was circulated very quickly, and fooled a lot of accounts with huge subscriber numbers, no one bothered to double check

[hollow anvil]

@deep nacelle could be the first AI fake?

[fallen nexus]

at some point ai will get good enough that it will be impossible to tell without uncompressed or even raw files
anything on social media compressed will be impossible to tell

[hollow anvil]

Oh are you saying people think this was taken from the livestream?

[fallen nexus]

no, this was posted moments right after the livestream

its a fake of real events, but its more "dramatic"

these could either be click farming, or could later be used to paint false narratives, for example

"this image is 100% fake, therefore the whole event is fake" type of stuff

[hollow anvil]

Oh sure I know why people do it. We just have seen a lot of "this is an AI fake" and it's always an old image

Except for like, shrimp Jesus level shit, but I don't know that's fooled many people

[fallen nexus]

this part of the image shows heavy signs of visual neural network at work

especially the little "pile" on the right

[deep nacelle]

The windows are all trippy

[hollow anvil]

I was giving a lot of leeway to smoke and motion, but I get everyone's points

[fallen nexus]

also the mountains are in the other direction

i almost fell for this, but i've lived half my life next to beirut airport, and even then it took me a second

[hollow anvil]

I guess Flight Radar could be checked for landing times

That's another angle

[fallen nexus]

the image is everywhere now as well, its being circulated with a lot of real footage on dozens of aggregator social media pages

[hollow anvil]

I suggest getting a social media post rebutting it together. Add in flightradar data etc

Things that can refute it

[olive kettle]

this photo might be legit but im not 100%

[fallen nexus]

might be old or different event? or maybe just good ol photoshop skillz

no reverse image search results on google

[deep nacelle]

Same as with the fire at the pentagon fake image from a few years back

The windows are all wrong

[fallen nexus]

ai generated content + a good photoediting* operator can create some very good fakes

[hollow anvil]

This is an Instagram account, currently marked private

[olive kettle]

from the plane itself:

• an a320 with those types of winglets does kinda check out with what i expect to be flying around the region
• also my first suspicion, i can only see the winglet on the right wing and not on the left wing
• plane is probably parked (not taxiing) which explains why it has interior lights on but none on the plane itself
• but also the lighting seems off
• plane itself seems normal, if it's a fake i'd wager it's pasted onto an ai generated background rather than full ai
• livery does not match with MEA, i'd go over flightradar arrivals and try to find a match, shouldn't be that difficult knowing plane type

[hollow anvil]

Here are some of the arrivals Sunday night at Beirut

https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/bey/arrivals

This was my best guess at the time

[fallen nexus]

https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1848139866506223886

Shayan Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86) on X

A second image depicting Beirut airport in flames with a plane nearby is being widely shared amid intense Israeli strikes targeting Beirut tonight.

This image is also AI-generated and fake. It was shared on Instagram by a Lebanese account and labelled as AI.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 11:10 PM

https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1848133804495397092

Shayan Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86) on X

This image, showing a plane landing at Beirut airport amid a huge fire nearby, is being widely shared amid intense Israeli strikes tonight.

The bizzare shape of the plane and its wings, the fire and the building in the foreground indicate the image is AI-generated and fake.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 10:46 PM

[hollow anvil]

Shayan, show yourself! I know you're in here!

[deep nacelle]

Shayan go to sleep dude

[dense granite]

Shayan never sleeps.

[olive kettle]

i cant say anything it's past midnight and i was about to cross reference a320 operator liveries to check if the photo was AI

[hollow anvil]

I think the livery is real. You can see it on the video originally linked

Not only am I into purses, I'm also into what the planes are wearing

[olive kettle]

the first one is (just made crudely by AI), the second one is the one that got me

[hollow anvil]

Depressing day for mods. We can't no longer say "it's never been AI". It was a good run folks

[fallen nexus]

more actualy real footage from area of beirut airport
https://fxtwitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1848142032939720857

[stable ledge]

Side note https://x.com/CalibreObscura/status/1848329889327227386?t=WOig72pIAbtu-sk7Rebj4g&s=19

Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura) on X

If anyone who follows me has seen and/or managed to get any decent images or scans of Hezbollah manuals such as the one on the top right, would appreciate a DM (Not particularly secure) or better an email [email protected]. Signal available on request.

:)

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 11:46 AM

[fallen nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/AJArabic/status/1848343478343790986/en

[sage ocean]

Another statement from UNIFIL https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-20-october-2024

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/AJABreaking/status/1848399489876275695
"Urgent | Israeli Broadcasting Authority: Haifa Port workers received messages that the port's systems had been hacked and that it would be subjected to a missile attack"

الجزيرة - عاجل (@AJABreaking) on X

عاجل | هيئة البث الإسرائيلية: عمال ميناء حيفا تلقوا رسائل باختراق منظومات الميناء وأنه سيتعرض لهجوم صاروخي

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 4:22 PM

[placid pumice]

https://bsky.app/profile/abujamajem.bsky.social/post/3l6z5uystkg2z

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/timourazhari/status/1848425904206233702

Timour Azhari (@timourazhari) on X

Israeli military claims — without providing evidence — that Hezbollah is storing 100s of millions of $ in cash and gold in a bunker under a hospital in Beirut’s southern suburbs

It says it is observing the area and calls on the Lebanese state/“intl orgs” to retrieve the money…

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 6:07 PM

[split axle]

https://x.com/timourazhari/status/1848465395889348639
https://fxtwitter.com/mophleb/status/1848464777540211035/en

Timour Azhari (@timourazhari) on X

BREAKING -- Four people killed including a child and 24 wounded in Israeli strike on the premises of Beirut’s main public hospital, Rafik Hariri University Hospital.

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 8:44 PM

https://fxtwitter.com/alghadeer_tv/status/1848451176498372841/en

[tawny crater]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-lebanon-gaza-war-10-21-24-intl-hnk#cm2ji69c500003b6nj5d2idsq
Very fresh news, but UNRWA claims that Israel directly shelled their refugee camp

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the footage showed it “allowing civilians to safely evacuate the area” via organized routes. The IDF said it had arrested several people in the camp suspected of belonging to terrorist groups in an ongoing operation.

However, the UN’s main agency in Gaza, UNRWA, contested the Israeli characterization of the evacuation. It said the Israeli military had “reportedly besieged and forcefully evacuated seven UNRWA schools in Jabalya Camp” which had been serving as a shelter for displaced Palestinians.

[urban veldt]

https://archive.is/KxPIK

In the past few weeks, several Western governments have requested to know whether Israel was actually implementing Eiland's plan, which no country in the world supports, not even the most pro-Israeli ones.
Their concern that Israel's real objective is to remove the population from northern Gaza has strengthened after Israel initially did not allow humanitarian aid to enter the area, a step that the world interpreted as an attempt to starve the population and force it to move south.
Another reason for concern is that almost no international aid organizations are operating in northern Gaza at this time, nor is the foreign media reporting from there, creating a situation in which the only reports from the area are from Israel and Hamas.
"There's almost nobody there who can report what's actually happening," one diplomat said. "This only strengthens the speculations about what Israel is truly trying to achieve in this operation".
Senior defense officials told Haaretz last week that the government was prioritizing the removal of people from northern Gaza in order to establish new settlements there, instead of pressuring for a hostage deal with Hamas.
Commanders on the ground said that they sense that the operation's objective was to pressure the civilian population to move south, in line with Eiland's proposal.
Senior defense officials believe that the government is neglecting the negotiations and advancing the creeping annexation of Gaza – politically and as defense policy.

[quaint gorge]

https://www.ft.com/content/151eb482-6415-48a8-bf3f-baed00018c4e

[split axle]

https://fxtwitter.com/AFPar/status/1848726792502169800/en

[sick agate]

https://fixupx.com/weatherwar/status/1848713686027821498

[restive patrol]

Friend who knows the owner and has stayed in this building with the owner's family says it is owned by an anti-Hezbollah Shia family

[pure sparrow]

I don't have twitter. what's the context?

[amber venture]

wrong tweet linked

[urban veldt]

Unlike the besieged Gaza, we can get good info and even media tours of Lebanese civilian facilities targeted by Israel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zharxj4vE2g

[steady glade]

DW even managed to gain access to the parking garage of one of the buildings that are alleged to house an entrance.
The IDF later said it may be hidden by "various means" without specifying.

https://youtu.be/p54Uqr8e68o?t=191&si=kPmcYUDpVK_AbwuP

[pure sparrow]

general question about the alleged tunnels underneath the hospital. wouldn't this erode the stability of the structure? physically, I mean. I followed the (aborted) construction of additional subway tunnels here in New York and the potential for upsetting foundations was brought up. Are the Hezbollah tunnels not big enough for those concerns?

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1849622487308312813?t=a9QiXeLWL0DTu_6CW3cTGw&s=19

Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) on X

BREAKING: Israeli strike in Hasbaya, Lebanon hits apartment housing JOURNALISTS, local and foreign, multiple outlets reporting..awaiting more details. 4:21 am local, Jadeed video:

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 1:22 AM

[hollow arrow]

Al Mayadeen says their reporters were in the building

https://english.almayadeen.net/shortnews

Posting a screenshot of what I'm reading now since it's a breaking news feed

[fallen nexus]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvz2rzm4k0o?xtor=AL-72-[partner]-[bbc.news.twitter]-[headline]-[news]-[bizdev]-[isapi]&at_bbc_team=editorial

[olive kettle]

The general claim (especially wrt Dahiyeh) was that post 2006 was that Hezbollah used the reconstruction to cover for the tunnel/bunker building

(not familiar with the construction timeline of the actual hospital to say whether or not it is true)

[sick agate]

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1849776733517434997

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

On 22 October, peacekeepers on duty at a permanent observation post near Dhayra were observing IDF soldiers conducting house clearing operations nearby. Upon realizing they were being observed, the IDF soldiers fired at the post. The duty guards withdrew to avoid being shot.

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 11:35 AM

[split axle]

https://x.com/weatherwar/status/1849654494839308409

A. Baydoun (@weatherwar) on X

Geolocated #Israel’s airstrike on the residence of Lebanese journalists in Hasbaya, Lebanon that happened at 4:21 AM. Coordinates: 33.407794, 35.673511. #Lebanon

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 3:29 AM

[sick agate]

On the Israeli attack on UNIFIL forces [reported on 13 October 2024] that is assumed to be a use of WP smoke as a chemical weapon - it is possible that instead of WP smoke, red phosphorus based smoke cartridges [IR/RP smoke grenades], as deployed from vehicles for smoke cover, were used.
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/5582/chapter/6

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/trbrtc/status/1849673453156155745

Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) on X

A new satellite image taken today, Oct. 24, reveals that a large part of the village of Kfar Kila has been flattened as the Israeli military pushes deeper into southern Lebanon. The image on the right, taken two months ago, highlights the stark contrast. Image credit: @planet.

Twitter · Oct 25, 2024, 4:44 AM

[wet jewel]

Huge explosion in Tyre

Seems like a different type of missile than the usual

Source is Al Jazeera arabic

[fallen nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/RobaHusseini/status/1850877523325858016

[quaint gorge]

It's not, bomb is just detonating at higher floor rather than at ground level or underground/foundation

[sick agate]

This looks like a 2000 pound bomb explosion to me [though I know that different 2000 lb bombs contain different amount of explosives],
is this a correct impression, or do you think a smaller bomb had been used?

[placid fossil]

A well known Channel 12 reporter helped Israeli forces blow up a building in Lebanon.

https://twitter.com/tomersimon/status/1850057379842252891?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

Tomer Simon, PhD (@TomerSimon) on X

אתמול בערב התרחש בטלוויזיה אירוע שאסור היה לו לקרות.

דני קושמרו נכנס עם גולני לדרום לבנון והחליט להשתתף ישירות בפעילות צבאית כשפוצץ את אחד המבנים.

חציית קו מוסרית וחוקית של אחד מבכירי העיתונאים הישראלים.

אמנת ז׳נבה מגינה על עיתונאים בשדה הקרב רק כאשר הם פועלים כעיתונאים. ברגע

Twitter · Oct 26, 2024, 6:10 AM

[fallen nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/Doumit_Azzi/status/1851220389336133891/en

[arctic parrot]

Thread on UNIFIL HQ that was hit by a rocket. Likely fired by Hezbollah, stated in the tweets (https://x.com/unifil_/status/1851274064628797546?s=46)

UNIFIL (@UNIFIL_) on X

Statement:

This afternoon a rocket hit UNIFIL’s headquarters in Naqoura, setting a vehicle workshop on fire. Peacekeepers were not in bunkers at the time. While some peacekeepers suffered minor injuries, fortunately no one was seriously injured.

Twitter · Oct 29, 2024, 2:45 PM

[fallen nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/mahamyahya/status/1851569728214487196

talking with friends and relatives in baalbeck, the situation is absolute chaos, people can't get out, not enough means especially in such a tight time, the bombings have already started a few minutes ago

sky news has a live feed with some footage from the area

https://youtu.be/H5dgaV2nK3U

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/BachirKhodr/status/1851573895427396023
Are people gathering near ruins because they believe Israel will not strike them?

Bachir Khodr (@BachirKhodr) on X

الى أهلي في مدينة بعلبك ومحيطها، بعد الإنذارات الإسرائيلة
أرجو منكم التوجه الى احدى الوجهتين: عرسال، أو الى محافظة الشمال عن طريق عيناتا-الأرز.
الرجاء عدم التوجه الى القلعة لأنها ليست آمنة.
#بشير_خضر #بعلبك #بعلبك_الهرمل

Twitter · Oct 30, 2024, 10:36 AM

[unique pilot]

https://x.com/AbuJamajem/status/1851917232546140505?t=4D8r9z0S40KrH_bDWrqagw&s=19

Sam Heller | سام هيلر (@AbuJamajem) on X

Purported U.S. ceasefire proposal leaked by Israeli media tasks Lebanese government and army with things they cannot accomplish (paras 6, 7) and also installs U.S. at head of proposed monitoring mechanism, which per @AlakhbarNews reporting, is unacceptable to Hizbullah…

1/2

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 9:20 AM

[split axle]

https://x.com/timourazhari/status/1851957053545152566?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A

Timour Azhari (@timourazhari) on X

BREAKING - Six Lebanese health workers killed, four wounded in Israeli strikes across south Lebanon today

-- Lebanese health ministry

Brings total to 178 killed, 279 wounded

Israel hit four separate sites where health workers were stationed today.

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 11:59 AM

[unique pilot]

https://x.com/AbuJamajem/status/1851917234899206514?t=Vq3qcokWmQAecW0Csa2FYQ&s=19

Sam Heller | سام هيلر (@AbuJamajem) on X

"Side letter" between U.S. and Israel is more 😐: affirms U.S. support for preemptive Israeli "strikes in self-defense" on Lebanon and continued ISR flights overhead; suggests U.S. reps in monitoring mechanism would function like Israeli plants:

2/2

https://t.co/Aezl5eTitW

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 9:20 AM

[urban veldt]

So... the ceasefire proposal is that Israel can keep bombing Lebanon, but attacks on Israel must cease?

[steady glade]

So from what I can tell it would allow Israel act unilaterally in "self-defense"(I.E what they claim to be doing currently invading southern Lebanon and bombing a variety of places all across Lebanon) indefinitely, including violating sovereign Lebanese airspace at will with ISR. So yes, that's what it reads like to me, just using some diplomatic obfuscation and fancy words.

[fallen nexus]

https://turningpointmag.org/2024/10/30/in-the-shadow-of-empires-from-a-hezbollah-stronghold-to-denazified-ukraine-the-experience-of-an-arab-ukranian/

[urban veldt]

https://x.com/SuleimanMas1/status/1851687885470102001
Leaked ceasefire plan

Suleiman Maswadeh סולימאן מסוודה (@SuleimanMas1) on X

חשיפה בכאן 11: זוהי טיוטת ההסכם המלא שמתגבש בין ישראל ללבנון. ההסכם נוסח ע״י המתווך האמריקני עמוס הוכשטיין, והונח על שולחנה של ישראל. בכירים ישראלים אומרים שהדרג המדיני מרוצה מהטיוטה וסיכוייו גבוהים. הנה הטיוטה המלאה >>>>

Twitter · Oct 30, 2024, 6:09 PM

[unique pilot]

https://x.com/alihashem_tv/status/1852657923937169444

Ali Hashem علي هاشم (@alihashem_tv) on X

A CCTV video shared by @Hasanillaik captures an Israeli special marine force, fully armed and equipped, abducting a Lebanese individual at a location in Batroun north Lebanon. According to the report, the Israeli unit conducted a maritime landing along the Batroun coast, took the

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 10:24 AM

[unreal vale]

More from a journo here in this thread, ID'ing the man taken (Imad Fadel Amhaz, a maritime captain student) and some speculation as to why. https://fixupx.com/HalaJaber/status/1852682511568027702

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/goodwinallegra/status/1852662061068591571?t=tlH7PAo9d10E-_dvrDa3gA&s=19

Allegra Goodwin (@goodwinallegra) on X

NEW INVESTIGATION: Is Israel taking a page out of its Gaza playbook when it comes to Lebanon’s healthcare sector? @cnn analysis of more than 240 airstrikes found the Israeli military dropped bombs in ‘lethal range’ of 19 hospitals in the first month of its all-out offensive in

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 10:40 AM

[unreal vale]

Re: Syria but posting here because it echoes the abduction of the Lebanese maritime captain a few days ago. https://x.com/AP/status/1853126469972607400

The Associated Press (@AP) on X

BREAKING: Israel has carried out a ground raid in Syria, seizing a Syrian citizen, the Israeli military says. It's the first time in the current war that Israel has announced sending troops into the country. https://t.co/081FOcFBkj

Twitter · Nov 3, 2024, 5:25 PM

[stable ledge]

https://x.com/obretix/status/1853165570876641518?t=SuJ1N1Y4gZjXwf0om0dheA&s=19

Samir (@obretix) on X

Israeli airstrikes in and around Baalbek before (yellow) and after the evacuation order on 31 October (red - some obscured by clouds) including today's warnings for five additional areas (white + 500m perimeter) geolocated from satellite images and footage from the ground

Twitter · Nov 3, 2024, 8:01 PM

[compact ravine]

https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1853358705699324174

Anyone recognize this video?

War Intel (@warintel4u) on X

Israel has destroyed yet another entire village in Lebanon.

Twitter · Nov 4, 2024, 8:48 AM

[wet tiger]

Yeah, it's north of Meiss al-Jabal. https://www.google.com/maps/place/33°11'24.1"N+35°31'42.5"E/@33.1900829,35.5270761,744m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d33.1900214!4d35.5284808!5m1!1e2?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D 33.190021366768505, 35.52848075956009

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/timourazhari/status/1854519060844691484?t=K85ajIMAIbpnr3-jdIeW4A&s=19

Timour Azhari (@timourazhari) on X

Israeli strike on a car passing through a Lebanese army checkpoint at the entrance to Sidon killed three people and wounded three soldiers and 4 UNIFIL peacekeepers who were part of a convoy passing through

-- Lebanese army

Twitter · Nov 7, 2024, 1:39 PM

[quaint gorge]

https://vxtwitter.com/Easybakeovensz/status/1856041744380367020
https://vxtwitter.com/alloubnania/status/1835646571217662026

[sick agate]

https://fixupx.com/BeirutUrbanLab/status/1856365426965610948

[tight pumice]

https://archive.li/mnkxy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/13/israel-trump-netanyahu-lebanon-ceasefire-kushner/

[olive kettle]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1857017562556506546

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Footage shared by Lebanese media shows an Israeli airstrike in the vicinity of Beirut's international airport, as a passenger plane taxis in the background.

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 11:07 AM

airplane type is airbus a300, trying to get a registration now

EX-30003 Moalem Aviation, it's a match

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ex-30003#37f8b439 should be this flight

[quaint gorge]

https://x.com/Clo_Bigot/status/1857153555439759770?t=B5v1-8TQtrxhzV1roo2aWQ&s=19

Clotilde Bigot (@Clo_Bigot) on X

Twelve people from the Civil defense have been killed in baalbak in a strike

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 8:08 PM