Axis of Resistance Spillover

[dawn condor]

https://vxtwitter.com/TankerTrackers/status/1784351209471578563

[royal dirge]

That’s good news. 📰

[dawn condor]

Just making sure, from today! https://twitter.com/tom_bike/status/1784400000807530675 Now I can go ...

[dawn condor]

impeccable source https://vxtwitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1785031044120326325

https://vxtwitter.com/tom_bike/status/1784994544821342324

[dawn condor]

this incident: https://vxtwitter.com/tom_bike/status/1785002336164712484

[drifting trout]

https://vxtwitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1786332348562149542?t=uTqorExgW-xUWX_48WJw7g&s=19

[smoky bobcat]

https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-aircraft-carrier-rearmed-back-red-sea-battle-houthis-2024-5?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From %251%24s&aoh=17151736669624&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fus-navy-aircraft-carrier-rearmed-back-red-sea-battle-houthis-2024-5

[dawn condor]

https://vxtwitter.com/detresfa_/status/1789263902989312384

[neat vine]

https://fxtwitter.com/AkbarSAhmed/status/1790867283771801777
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/israeli-ambassador-blasts-democrats-letter_n_6644fde3e4b00df0c6b6cba5

[neat vine]

https://bsky.app/profile/hayesbrown.bsky.social/post/3kszpdm4a3w2r

[smoky bobcat]

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-carrier-strike-group-fighting-houthis-fired-hundreds-munitions-2024-5#amp_tf=From %251%24s&aoh=17165111498077&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fus-navy-carrier-strike-group-fighting-houthis-fired-hundreds-munitions-2024-5

[grizzled zephyr]

https://vxtwitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1795599983489524175

3 strikes on a bulk carrier

weirdly enough, kept sailing

[dawn condor]

Found the holes https://x.com/tom_bike/status/1795993708094992562 https://x.com/tom_bike/status/1795992332820459782

Tom Bike (@tom_bike) on X

Meanwhile in Red Sea.

#israelhamaswar

Twitter · May 30, 2024, 1:40 AM

Tom Bike (@tom_bike) on X

@mercoglianos located hull holes at ship LAAX attacked in the Red Sea by Yemen Houthis. Hits from drones and missiles caused several leaks.

French FREMM frigate intervened. French forces stationed in Djibouti (FFDJ), reinforced by Italian soldiers went aboard.

Twitter · May 30, 2024, 1:35 AM

[dawn condor]

More damage pics https://x.com/FFDJ_Officiel/status/1795849886522356109

🇨🇵 🇩🇯Forces Françaises stationnées à Djibouti (@FFDJ_Officiel) on X

Après l’attaque du cargo Laax, une équipe de démineurs des @FFDJ_Officiel est intervenue ce matin à bord du cargo Laax pour garantir la sécurité de l’équipage.
L’action permanente de la France dans la zone contribue à la sûreté maritime, à la liberté de navigation et vise à faire

Twitter · May 29, 2024, 4:09 PM

[kindred storm]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/04/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas "Israeli airstrikes near Aleppo, Syria, in the early hours of Monday killed a general in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps who had been deployed to the country as an adviser, according to Iranian media reports.... The Iranian was identified as Gen. Saeed Abyar by Tasnim News agency, a media outlet affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards."

[dawn condor]

https://x.com/TankerTrackers/status/1798859482828796278 #maritime message

TankerTrackers.com, Inc. (@TankerTrackers) on X

We're now seeing Dark Fleet tankers transport non-Russian oil via the Red Sea while they broadcast to the Houthis that the oil is Russian.

Dark Fleet probably has its own Uber app.

Twitter · Jun 6, 2024, 11:28 PM

[drifting trout]

7 Iranian supplied radars destroyed in Yemen
https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/1801782259902513657

U.S. Central Command (@CENTCOM) on X

June 14 U.S. Central Command Update

In the past 24 hours, U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM) forces successfully destroyed two Houthi uncrewed surface vessels (USV) in the Red Sea.

Additionally, USCENTCOM forces successfully destroyed one uncrewed aerial system (UAS) launched

Twitter · Jun 15, 2024, 1:02 AM

[drifting trout]

DIA released a short summary of Houthi attacks
https://x.com/DefenseIntel/status/1801360203876635133

DIA (@DefenseIntel) on X

With help from Iran, Houthi maritime attacks have impacted at least 65 countries' interests. To view a timeline of Houthi attacks on commercial ships since November 2023, read this report from DIA, released today.

https://t.co/GdTrqVcEhe

Twitter · Jun 13, 2024, 9:05 PM

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/phildstewart/status/1803453281588379650?t=L2enMfDqlHRgHyeM0jlWyA&s=19

Phil Stewart (@phildstewart) on X

These alerts hitting Reuters' wire right now:

• LEBANON'S HEZBOLLAH CHIEF SAYYED HASSAN NASRALLAH SAYS NOWHERE IN ISRAEL WILL BE SAFE FROM GROUP'S ATTACKS IN CASE OF WAR, INCLUDING TARGETS IN THE MEDITERRANEAN

*HEZBOLLAH HEAD SAYS IF WAR IS 'IMPOSED' ON LEBANON, GROUP WILL

Twitter · Jun 19, 2024, 3:42 PM

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1803823833259839560?t=ZlMMbe8WBkRZ8M2hgQw77A&s=19

Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) on X

New: Israeli officials have told US they plan to shift resources soon from southern Gaza to northern Israel in preparation for possible offensive against Hezbollah, per sources, but US has concerns over potential vulnerability of Iron Dome if war erupts. https://t.co/O21pXbm3vV

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 4:14 PM

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/evanhill/status/1804196027442041260?t=84L4dTypX-cPidiKFpaCvA&s=19

Evan Hill (@evanhill) on X

US officials have serious concerns that Hezbollah could overwhelm Israel’s air defenses in the event of war, CNN reports. Blinken recently told an Arab counterpart that "it seems that [Israel] are very serious about going into Lebanon": https://t.co/p1Cvpx1E0M

Twitter · Jun 21, 2024, 4:53 PM

[neat vine]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gop-senator-biden-slow-walking-aid-for-israel-using-bureaucratic-sleight-of-hand/

http://archive.today/h4QBk

The Letter: https://www.cotton.senate.gov/news/press-releases/cotton-biden-administration-is-delaying-arms-shipments-to-israel-to-undermine-our-ally

[drifting trout]

https://www.ft.com/content/9b4c3cab-13b6-4195-a496-555c7a1db15b

[dawn condor]

Today's report provides visual evidence of Iranian missiles used in Houthi attacks from 2015-2024. DIA assesses the Houthis have used Iran-supplied weapons to conduct land- and sea-based attacks across the Middle East, Red Sea and Gulf of Aden.
https://dia.mil/Portals/110/Documents/News/Military_Power_Publications/Seized_at_Sea.pdf (swiped from @drifting trout ) #middle_east-north_africa

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/Doha104p3/status/1812568610017333495
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/476140/unprecedented-dwight-d-eisenhower-carrier-strike-group-returns-combat-deployment

Doha (@Doha104p3) on X

On their 275 days at sea, Ike executed the launch and recovery of 13,800+ sorties, the aircraft's accumulated 31,400+ flight hours. The entire CSG escorted several dozen ships, launched 135 TLAMs, 155 SMs, expended ~60 air to air missiles, and released 420 air-to-surface weapons

Twitter · Jul 14, 2024, 7:23 PM

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/fab_hinz/status/1814226061384675807?t=eHN7b63591DDlwgd0zJYcQ&s=19

Fabian Hinz (@fab_hinz) on X

A few quick thoughts on the alleged Houthi drone that crashed into Tel Aviv. 1/9

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 9:09 AM

[gusty ravine]

https://x.com/IntelCrab/status/1814722275582656983?t=HM6GHCpaT6ImCHyxGEWm2w&s=19

The Intel Crab (@IntelCrab) on X

Looks like authorities in al-Hudaydah were able to get a drone up over the oil depot.

Twitter · Jul 20, 2024, 6:01 PM

[faint hedge]

https://x.com/politico/status/1814983193323344314?s=46

POLITICO (@politico) on X

Israel downs missile fired from Yemen https://t.co/IJBihz9kO3

Twitter · Jul 21, 2024, 11:18 AM

[urban sedge]

https://fixvx.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1815691425998123028

[drifting trout]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1816067089813143787

[dawn condor]

Deviant route. Including Daisy, Sanctioned by @USTreasury for providing services to #Iran's Ministry of Defense https://x.com/YorukIsik/status/1816536723687637147

Yörük Işık (@YorukIsik) on X

@smekhennet @JobyWarrick amazing investigative piece. I believe this active IRISL route is part of the distribution network:

Twitter · Jul 25, 2024, 6:11 PM

[dawn condor]

News on Kashan IRGCL front #maritime message

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1817222045207306336?t=7bw0lULCuqMvFu1rc91NYQ&s=19

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

At least 11 people are wounded in a rocket strike at a soccer field in the northern Druze town of Majdal Shams, medics say.

According to the Magen David Adom ambulance service, five people are listed in critical condition and another six are seriously wounded.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2024, 3:34 PM

[burnt saffron]

Hezbollah denied responsibility and seeing speculation that it could be an Iron Dome misfire, including from local authorities

Important to note that Majd Al Shams is in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights and the majority of people there do not have Israeli citizenship (which they themselves refused for generations)

[drifting trout]

Has anyone seen photos or videos with fragments of the munition? Iron dome missiles are pretty distinct especially compared to Hezbollah munitions

[empty glacier]

one of the videos filmed around here 33.266007351931485, 35.76891113293559
not posting for content

[empty glacier]

the only thing ive seen so far, and i dont know what it is.

[fervent wren]

It looks like there's a moped and a quad in the road. Could also be a part (tank?) of them.

[drifting trout]

You got a link for that?

[fervent wren]

There are some smears of blood and in the middle distance several victims on the ground, though no gore.
||https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1817224959967510641||

Part is in the bottom left.

Reverse view. It looks to be on top of the bank at the shaded children's playground(?)
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1817224262278688907

[drifting trout]

Yeah I don't know. Waiting to see if more clear photos come out, but looks more like a Type 63/Fajr-1 rocket from the limited blast and fragmentation damage. Nothing to suggest an SRBM or an Iron dome missile like some claims circulating are saying

[empty glacier]

There's a video from the hit, filmed by a soccer viewer, in Twitter, if that helps you

[drifting trout]

A couple photos from Gettyimages. Holes in the pavillion look premade, not from shrapnel as they are uniform. Black marks looks like it's all rubber shavings from the turf

[fervent wren]

Yeah, that's to take away the sail effect of those, well, sails.

[drifting trout]

Yeah I thought it might have been from frag at first as they looked more uneven to me in the picture Mannie posted

[trail relic]

11 children confirmed dead from Hizbollah missile attack on Druze village earlier today

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-27/ty-article-live/israeli-jets-attack-hezbollah-targets-in-southern-lebanon-idf-says/00000190-f1ec-dd5f-af93-fbec9c230000

[thin horizon]

Can see chuncks of the black stuff stuck on the fence here

[fervent wren]

Those are just rubber fill-in for artificial pitches.

[thin horizon]

thanks, for the info

didn't know what it was exactly

thought it was just burned parts of the artificial grass

astrodog from PO noticed this, but they hit right next to the ball, which explains the high number of casualties

[drifting trout]

A few new pictures:
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1817278859051684337

[drifting trout]

There's also just zero structures/cover between where the blast occurred and anyone nearby to protect them

[thin horizon]

yeah, if it's a type 63 then it's a 12.5m kill radius

[drifting trout]

Yeah, you can see some frag damage on the bomb shelter nearby.

[thin horizon]

kill and wound radius for a type 63

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/ahmadserhann/status/1817297361636315563/en ( was live on tv from the scene)

[drifting trout]

Eyewitnesses testimonies are pretty unreliable, especially when it comes to stuff like munitions.
IDF is claiming that it's an Iranian made Falaq-1, which I disagree with based off what we're seeing.
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1817310269728592027

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

"A Falaq-1 rocket struck here in the soccer field, it is an Iranian rocket, manufactured in Iran, a rocket with a warhead of over 50 kilograms of explosives," Hagari says in a press conference at the scene.

"The forensic findings at the scene point to this rocket. Falaq-1 is

Twitter · Jul 27, 2024, 9:25 PM

[vital stag]

yea, i totally agree. just wanted to share some witnesses opinions

another witness
https://fxtwitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1817325326227095789

[silent hamlet]

Falaq-1 would look different?

[thin horizon]

It's just a 50kg warhead, and that's a bit too large given this is the crater. Fajr-1 is our best guess right now.

[empty glacier]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C99vURGNOEa/?igsh=b3NqNDR1ZThnN2hq

translating_falasteen

Syrians from the occupied town of Majdal Shams in the Golan Heights expelled an Israeli delegation of 14 individuals who had come to express condolences for the victims of yesterday's bombing. The residents blamed the delegation for their ongoing problems, accusing them of being responsible for the suffering in their community. The encounter qui...

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[drifting trout]

Looks like we were wrong
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1817605374310072385

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF releases evidence showing shrapnel found at the scene of the rocket strike in Majdal Shams yesterday matching an Iranian-made Falaq-1 rocket, which is in use by Hezbollah.

The IDF also publishes the flight path of the heavy rocket, launched from the Chebaa area in

Twitter · Jul 28, 2024, 4:57 PM

[thin horizon]

I still don't buy it tbh

[drifting trout]

One of the IDF slide's has pictures of a Falaq-2 calling it a Falaq-1

IDF release: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/fae443dc-4c60-4949-a85f-8a4a8b7d9f30
https://www.mindexcenter.ir/sites/default/files/2021-01/chapter 1-5_233.pdf

[thin horizon]

Yeah, that's a very strange fuck up

[drifting trout]

Best part is the Falaq-2 picture they included has the 300 diameter measurement twice next to their 240mm stat for the Falaq-1 and the Falaq-1 fragments they have includes the 240mm diameter writing

[thin horizon]

Is FLI-A a marking unique to the Falaq-1?

[drifting trout]

Yeah the Falaq-2 is FL2-A

[thin horizon]

Got it

Honestly the weirdest part to me is how the bottom of the "FL1-A" part with the D looks like compared to the spot were the D is missing in Date

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I don't see how those go together

Also look at the hole size it's supposed to be 3+ letters wide

The hole is open past the "D" on the first, on the second it isn't

@drifting trout what do you think, I'm far from sure here

[drifting trout]

I think it's pretty clear fragments of a Falaq-1. They could have possibly bent the fragment to get a more clear picture of the top image, or it could just be open more on the left that we can see. Also the shape is going to be distorted from the blast

[vital stag]

@drifting troutCould you please confirm whether the sharnapel of this rocket in image belongs to the Falaq 1 rocket?

it is from an old incident.

[drifting trout]

You got a link to the original post?

[vital stag]

yeah, just sec

[vital stag]

https://t.me/newss/180795?single

https://t.me/newss/180807 a video

[drifting trout]

That's probably a Falaq-1 or a Falaq-2. It has the same color and marking style, I just can't determine for sure based off that picture which. You just don't have the diameter or the type marking on this fragment, which is the best way to definitely tell just from a picture. This ARES document is a good source, it has some of the older Iranian export brochures instead of the currently live brochure making the rounds right now
https://armamentresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ARES-Research-Report-No.-2-Iranian-Falaq-1-Falaq-2-Rockets-in-Syria.pdf

[vital stag]

Yeah, that only sharnapel's picture alone does not provide definitive evidence to distinguish between the Falaq-1 and Falaq-2.
but However, based on the visible characteristics, it is highly likely originates from a Falaq rocket, right ?

[drifting trout]

Yes

[vital stag]

found another video of the same incident from another channel. (source:https://t.me/newsil_tme/120603)

looks sharnapel from the rocket. [0:36]

found CCTV footage capturing the moment of the rocket's explosion. ( source: https://t.me/newsil_tme/120616)

[vital stag]

found an Israeli telegram channel, that claims the rocket was a "Falaq-1"
https://t.me/news_kodkodgroup/160046
https://t.me/news_kodkodgroup/160050

According to news channels, Hezbollah announced the use of the Falaq-2 for the first time on June 8, 2024.
https://vxtwitter.com/EremNews/status/1799498894218285392/en
https://vxtwitter.com/Alqaheranewstv/status/1799507078123237888/en

https://t.me/mmirleb/4627
it was claimed on their official channel the use of "falaq 2" for the first time on 08 jun

[vital stag]

Based on the dates in the CCTV footage and the Telegram posts, that rocket explosion occurred on May 24, 2024.

Therefore, likely that the explosion/damage was caused by a Falaq-1 rocket. not falaq-2

[vital stag]

The scale of damage in the footage/images does not appear to be consistent with what occurred in Majdal Shams.

[thin horizon]

The top layer appears to be reinforced concrete so it's a worst case scenario for crater size really

[quartz basin]

Is the crater size consisten with what we'd seen from a Falaq-1?

[dense wren]

eyewitness in this video sayings its bahmand hospital
https://fxtwitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1818328972112883930

arabiya live feed saying its hezballah council building
https://youtu.be/bCgJhh5qoog

https://fxtwitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1818329118905135462

https://fxtwitter.com/michaelh992/status/1818330069636411602

[empty glacier]

https://x.com/trbrtc/status/1818332572394381614

Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) on X

Geolocation of damage seen in this photo, from the suspected Israeli attack: 33.853260, 35.506546. It's next to the Bahman Hospital and the Al Hasanain Mosque.

Twitter · Jul 30, 2024, 5:07 PM

[dense wren]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlHadath/status/1818337822736077041/en

hezb saying the assination failed, might be their way of trying not to escelate much

arabiya sources confirming assassination failed - alarabiya live feed

[raven remnant]

The IDF posted this to twitter less then an hour ago
https://fixupx.com/idf/status/1818333771260690783?s=46&t=0qAvqb6FOvZFc7eoZBKfXw

[dense wren]

now they're saying teh opposite
https://fxtwitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1818357174784987406/en

[raven remnant]

IDF confirmign the report per CNN
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/lebanon-beirut-explosion-07-30-24#h_dbf97f3d24711b7612d99d50a328b1be

[storm eagle]

The IDF eliminated Hezbollah's most senior military commander and head of its Strategic Unit, Fuad Shukr "Sayyid Muhsan
https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC3007202451

[raven remnant]

https://apnews.com/article/30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

[opal vault]

still no word on who was responsible, the above AP article now added a claim by Hamas that he was killed by an Israeli airstrike

a killing in Tehran is quite surprising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdBZ_2K_Dks

in the above video, John Lyons makes a good point that any ceasefire negotiations are dead and buried for the time being- Haniyeh was the face of Hamas's efforts to negotiate, and now that he's dead, there will probably be little appetite for continued diplomacy

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/trbrtc/status/1818726293854470521?t=eI6BkhT5zw8ffgmvqJhB7g&s=19

Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) on X

Geolocation of the building in northern Tehran where Ismail Haniyeh was reportedly assassinated: 35.81931, 51.41559. An Iranian official shared the image with @farnazfassihi, and it is circulating on Telegram. Green cloth and rubble is visible on the east side of the building.

Twitter · Jul 31, 2024, 7:11 PM

[elder apex]

We have this forum post going too if you're interested #1268229482540699762

[next bronze]

https://twitter.com/kaisos1987/status/1819022618890027170

roi kais • روعي كايس • רועי קייס (@kaisos1987) on X

כמה נקודות מרכזיות מנאום נסראללה: 1. החיסול של יד ימינו פואד שוכור כאב לו מאוד והוא גם אמר את זה. מזכיר את הנאום אחרי חיסול סולימאני. 2. נסראללה הסביר כי התקיפה הישראלית בדאחיה חצתה כמה קווים אדומים - פגיעה בדאחיה ובביירות, תקיפת מבנה אזרחי, הרג של אזרחים וחיסול מפקד צבאי בכיר

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 2:49 PM

Just going to put in this summary from Nasrallah's speech which just concluded

Some key points from Nasrallah's speech: 1. The assassination of his right-hand man Fuad Shukor hurt him a lot and he also said that. Reminds me of the speech after Soleimani's assassination. 2. Nasrallah explained that the Israeli attack in Dahiya crossed several red lines - damage to Dahiya and Beirut, an attack on a civilian structure, the killing of civilians and the assassination of a senior military commander, and therefore the response will be accordingly ("real and not cosmetic"). 3. Nasrallah also hinted that the Iranian response to the assassination of Haniya would be no less significant than the response to the assassination of the Iranian general Mahdavi. 4. Israel's latest actions bring the Axis aid fronts into a new phase of the war. Coordination will go up a notch, it can also come in the form of a combined response to recent events. 5. Tried again to push back the Israeli narrative regarding the shooting of Majdal Shams. He claimed that they did an investigation and that if they had accidentally shot there they would have admitted it. 6. Nasrallah tried to calm Hezbollah's base, the elimination of Shukur hurts, but will not harm us as an organization

[dawn condor]

Other thread inactive since May 27 so duping it here Wondering if unconfirmed reports are about him?! https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1818672438508507211 full bio from April #1228798424875270196 message inactive other thread #1228798424875270196 message

WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧 (@WarMonitor3) on X

Unconfirmed reports strikes have killed the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Aerospace Forces.

Twitter · Jul 31, 2024, 3:37 PM

[dawn condor]

https://x.com/JasonMBrodsky/status/1819081300214796414
https://t.co/62B4P8puEJ
#1228798424875270196 message

Jason Brodsky (@JasonMBrodsky) on X

"U.S. officials say they expect any #Iran retaliation to be from the same playbook as their Apr. 13 attack on #Israel — but potentially larger in scope — and it could also involve the Lebanese #Hezbollah." "We expect a few rough days," the official said.

https://t.co/62B4P8puEJ

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 6:42 PM

[dawn condor]

https://x.com/AFP/status/1819098472642998765

AFP News Agency (@AFP) on X

#BREAKING Hezbollah says launched dozens of rockets on north Israel

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 7:50 PM

[dawn condor]

https://x.com/N12News/status/1819095159188885649 The relative peace was broken: about 60 launches in a heavy barrage into the Western Galilee https://t.co/honTAOX8pX
#israel-palestine message

החדשות - N12 (@N12News) on X

השקט היחסי נשבר: כ-60 שיגורים במטח כבד לגליל המערבי

https://t.co/honTAOX8pX

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 7:37 PM

[dawn condor]

Breaking: President Biden spoke with Prime Minister Netanyahu about the escalation with Iran and Hezbollah, according to a senior American https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1819109787344556424

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

ברייקינג: הנשיא ביידן שוחח עם ראש הממשלה נתניהו על ההסלמה מול איראן וחיזבאללה, כך לפי בכיר אמריקני

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 8:35 PM

Unanswered questions on what will happen to Iran, by someone who is sanctioned by Iran ... https://x.com/rich_goldberg/status/1819110498102923272

Richard Goldberg (@rich_goldberg) on X

Lots of leaks about what Iran is planning to do next and how the US is working to help Israel defend against it.

What we are not seeing -- and the ayatollah certainly isn't seeing -- is any list of consequences Iran will face should it proceed with escalation.

Will U.S.

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 8:38 PM

[dawn condor]

This loud note swam under the radar. What do you make of it? https://x.com/MT_Anderson/status/1817275701315162323

MT Anderson (@MT_Anderson) on X

🇺🇸CARRIER STRIKE GROUP 9🇺🇸
Visual confirmation via Sentinel 2 that CSG 9 is operating in the Persian Gulf

~140km NE of🇧🇭Manama

Along with @TheRealCVN71 is her full complement of 3x Arleigh burke Class Destroyers

Twitter · Jul 27, 2024, 7:07 PM

[plain raven]

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1819043696903397851

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

Planted bomb, remote control and AI: How the Mossad killed Hamas' leader in Iran. My story on @axios
https://t.co/rCRz3YrN8Q

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 4:13 PM

Axios also claiming their sources say it was a bomb planted ahead of time

[silent hamlet]

From above that I found interesting:

One of the sources said the Mossad position was that Haniyeh's assassination would bring justice to the Oct. 7 attack victims and remove an obstacle to the hostage deal. The source claimed Haniyeh held a more hardline view on the deal than Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar and was making it more difficult to get a deal.
"Haniyeh presented a pragmatic face to the mediators but internally inside Hamas led a hard line," the source said.

[next bronze]

https://x.com/farnazfassihi/status/1819585362953400451?t=a-1hdzCC89xug2BJYSMoJg&s=19

Farnaz Fassihi (@farnazfassihi) on X

SCOOP: Iran arrests dozens of senior intelligence, military officials & staff of the IRGC guest house where Hamas leader was killed in a sweeping crackdown for the huge security breach. Details gift link:

https://t.co/vNVGPl8wil

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 4:05 AM

[neat vine]

https://fxtwitter.com/SkyNews/status/1819862500294213673

[paper moat]

I maanged to find a video showing the response of the Iron dome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsWCLVYTU2U

[grizzled zephyr]

https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthi-rebels-red-sea-attacks-israel-hamas-war-89f89bfb6db61f74fcfe8b40ef203bd3

https://www.ukmto.org/indian-ocean/recent-incidents UKMTO incident 105

[raven remnant]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/05/politics/personnel-injured-iraq-al-asad-airbase/index.html

[vital stag]

explosion occurred today near Nahariya on the main road, which resulted in injures, was due to the explosion of an interceptor missile.
( First video source: https://t.me/newss/193603 & Second video source: https://t.me/newss/193571)

idf confirmed that:
https://t.me/manniefabian/46550

footage impact of hezb drones near a military base.
( First video source: https://t.me/newss/193588 & Second video source: https://t.me/newss/193604)

"The interception attempts in the area failed, and this led to the injury of a total of 19 civilians who were injured in the incident, including a civilian in critical condition. "
--source Military correspondent for GLZ radio ( israeli Army radio) https://x.com/Doron_Kadosh/status/1820825374810308815

דורון קדוש | Doron Kadosh (@Doron_Kadosh) on X

מניתוח של האזעקות היום במהלך מתקפת הכטב״מים בגליל המערבי ניתן ללמוד כמה דברים:

• הכטב״מים זוהו בשעה 12:16, אז החלו האזעקות בחניתה ובהמשך בשלומי, עשו את כל הדרך מהגבול דרומה, בדרך הפעילו אזעקות בעוד יישובים רבים, כולל בנהריה ובעכו, ובסביבות השעה 12:26 התפוצצו בשטח ישראל.

Twitter · Aug 6, 2024, 2:12 PM

[fervent wren]

Hi, I'm trying to figure out how your videos and your sources are connected. Where do these videos come from?

It would be easier if you posted just the links, then you wouldn't forget to add them and you wouldn't get mods telling you to...

[vital stag]

Sorry, my bad. You’re right ; I used to include sources, and I appreciate the reminder.
I’ve now edited the footage post to include the sources

[vital stag]

another footage from same area ( source:https://t.me/lelotsenzura/31939 israeli tg channel claims there's two injures in the military camp)

A footage of a hez drone was passing over Nahariya (source:https://t.me/newsil_tme/127398)

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1820856933844177062/en

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/idfonline/status/1820864184315261320/en

[vital stag]

Images of the aftermath of the interceptor missile explosion, crater and shrapnel.(source:https://www.gettyimages.com/search/photographer?photographer=MENAHEM KAHANA)

Two other images (from another source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu5FxyulfPk)

[vital stag]

is it possible to geolocate the location of the crater? it is somewhere on the Route 4 highway near Nahariya @thin horizon @storm eagle

[storm eagle]

Maybe this is it? Looking now. https://x.com/WillCobb163439/status/1820770196639867253

WillC (@WillCobb163439) on X

Geolocation of reported drone strike in Mazra'a

@GeoConfirmed

📍32.98317, 35.09450 (impact)

https://t.co/DnzAeBjR0k

Twitter · Aug 6, 2024, 10:33 AM

Looks like it is slightly off, probably 50-100m south.

[storm eagle]

I estimate the crater in the road to around 32.981718, 35.094348
0:12 in this video: https://x.com/HShaqrah/status/1820756838779936952
Based on the bus-stop on the right (west) and the fence on the left (east).

[vital stag]

Great work, thanks! It matches everything.

i guess it is a few more meters further north ?

32°58'54"N 35°05'39"E

[storm eagle]

Maybe, I was looking at the direction of the fence in the video.

It's very very close, down to the point it matters how accurate the satimg is, and if you're using bing/esri/google

[vital stag]

yea, exactly. I'm using Google Earth, I relied on this footage to try to pinpoint the exact location. https://t.me/newss/193579

https://x.com/N12News/status/1820765393767584068/photo/1 ( video: https://t.me/newss/193571)

החדשות - N12 (@N12News) on X

חיזבאללה מקבל אחריות על מתקפת הכטב"מים. הפצועים במזרעה - נפגעו משברי מיירט | ישיר

https://t.co/HEZrGgoMZi | @guyvaron

Twitter · Aug 6, 2024, 10:14 AM

my guess for the bus location driver record around 32°58'49"N 35°05'39"E ( ~137,34 meters distance to impact)

my guess for the CCTV camera location ( 467 meters from impact location)

32°58'39"N 35°05'36"E

[storm eagle]

I was just eyeballing this, with bing satimg.

[vital stag]

almost same location, bing much better

@storm eagle is it possible to confirm geolocation of the bus driver footage and CCTV camera location ?

[storm eagle]

I agree with your estimates.

[vital stag]

I found that someone has geolocated the footage of the military camp.
https://x.com/EekadFacts/status/1821170169399370150/photo/1

EekadFacts | إيكاد (@EekadFacts) on X

Twitter · Aug 7, 2024, 1:02 PM

[vital stag]

https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/2024_q3/Article-3f208d302f63191027.htm

[vital stag]

N12 - The death of Mikhail Samara, who was wounded by an interceptor near Nahariya, was determined
Samara, a resident of Kfar Yasif, was sedated and ventilated in recent days at the Galilee Medical Center • His family announced that they would donate his organs"

he had serious injury in his head due to shrapnel of the interceptor while he was driving in his car.

[vital stag]

a footage shows him injured in his car || https://t.me/newsil_tme/127420||

interceptor missile's shrapnel did damage to the car’s left rear side.

geolocation of his car, 32°59'08"N 35°05'42"E

~ 429 Meters distance to impact location

[raven remnant]

https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/iranian-backed-group-steps-up-phishing-campaigns-against-israel-us/

[crude current]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/17/world/middleeast/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-strike-cease-fire.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Dk4.1Ql3.Q2rXByUzp14_&smid=url-share

[graceful lynx]

can I help you ?

[drifting trout]

HRW saw photos of US made Small Diameter Bomb fragments from this strike
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/19/yemen-israeli-port-attack-possible-war-crime

[gusty ravine]

https://x.com/Almutawakkil560/status/1827069590670553369?t=sfFup28kOdJOHC8sRqY9ZQ&s=19 Houthi have released a video showing explosion on deck of M/T SOUNION.

محمد عبدالملك - Mohamed (@Almutawakkil560) on X

At the beginning of the Yemeni scene, a written warning is issued, stating the following:

• The Yemeni Armed Forces renew their warning to companies not to violate the imposed blockade decision. Otherwise, their ships will be targeted.

• They affirm that the next phase will be

Twitter · Aug 23, 2024, 7:45 PM

[dense wren]

NBN information indicated that the Israeli enemy is using high technology to detonate the hand-held "pagers" system of resistance elements in more than one place in the southern suburb of Beirut and in the south.

https://www.elnashra.com/news/show/1685377/معلومات-nbn-‏العدو-الاسرائيلي-يفجر-بواسطة-تقنية-عا

notes: El-Nashra is Lebanese pro-Michelle Aoun media (pro "resistance"), so they often posten bad info

NBN is Nabih Berri's network, head of the Shia Amal movement

"Information for "Al-Nashrah" pointed to the occurrence of a security incident in the southern suburbs, and the number of casualties fell."

[violet briar]

This is likely a compromised logistics network. Switched actual pagers with ones with explosives in them. There is CCTV of some of the pagers detonating and yeah they got caught fully offguard here.

Also if note- judging off one of the CCTV videos (Not sharing due to graphic content.) , a message may have been sent just before, getting the members to reach for/ pull out the pager, increasing the odds that it blows up in front of their chest/face.

[dense wren]

compromised pagers sounds unlikely if you ask me, too many pagers, i'm thinking more like stuxnet thing, where they used software to force failure on the hardware level

[violet briar]

A physical hack would not detonate like that

That is a charge in there.

[grizzled zephyr]

yeah seeing the videos doesnt seem like its something you can trigger with heat

https://x.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1836036786578984999 this appears to be from it (posting this here because its one of the few videos that shows blast aftermath without visible injuries)

Aleph א (@no_itsmyturn) on X

That’s some serious punch packed into a small pager

#Lebanon 🇱🇧

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 1:37 PM

[violet briar]

Especially if you're "trying to overload a pager via hacking"- a lithium battery (Which is what I'd assume these pagers would be using) blowing up looks extremely different to the videos showing the detonation.

(Primarily a lithium battery is more "flame" post explosion)

(Also that hacking story does not seem... possible.)

[opal vault]

Agreed, the types of injuries, as well as how coordinated the strikes was, indicate an extremely sophisticated breach of the Hezbollah logistics network and the implanting of tiny explosive devices on such a mass scale

This is, forgive the expression, something straight out of James Bond

[supple wharf]

Israel has a history of getting people with telecom kit tho doesn't it? If I recall correctly there was something about a charge in a cellphone years ago and there was the rotary phone they rigged in the aftermath of the Munich attack if I have that straight too.

[grizzled zephyr]

honestly the scale of it is the most impressive, ive seen reports of 1200 injuries already and it's probably going to climb

[opal vault]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1836041847078109336?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[dense wren]

most of Lebanese communications infrastructure has been compromised by israel for decades, in some instances some ISP were straight up just mossad fronts inside Lebanon

[violet briar]

Okay- this was not a lithium battery exploding- let's clear this up right now-

Even if there was a way to hack these to "overload the battery" to work past when it'd just fail-
They do not detonate like what has been seen in footage.

See attached for an example of a lithium battery exploding. Less "exploding", more "flame thrower"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oieH2wwDGzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjDxK1VOUNI

[grizzled zephyr]

this wouldnt even be a matter of just compromise, if theyre using explosives inside pagers they need to supply new pagers and replace the old ones

[violet briar]

The only way this could be a "over air hack" with no sabotage is if Hezbollah had suicide charges in their pagers to maybe blow up before Israel could get a hold on them, but I do not think this is likely.

[grand bough]

Do pagers have removable batteries? Or are batteries permanently built in

[grizzled zephyr]

i think it depends on model

[opal vault]

Depends

This is why I’m not convinced the batteries were remotely overloaded by signal or some other theory

As usual, fairly gruesome images are being rapidly shared across Twitter and elsewhere, so be mindful of what you look at

[grizzled zephyr]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1836045508617359747

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Iran's semi-official Mehr news agency reports that the country's ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was wounded by a pager that exploded.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 2:12 PM

[opal vault]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hezbollah-members-wounded-lebanon-when-pagers-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/

Reuters is stating that the explosions continued for up to half an hour after the initial attack, indicating that some were either delayed or deliberately staggered to maximise the psychological effect

[violet briar]

https://x.com/IranIntl_En/status/1836044684436893847

Iran International English (@IranIntl_En) on X

#BREAKING Iran's ambassador to Beirut Mojtaba Amani has been injured in pager explosion, Iran's state-run media outlets report.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 2:08 PM

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1836049680234369075/en
https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1836048547440955673/en

[bold onyx]

does this means they can do the same with smartphone batteries?

[violet briar]

read above- No.

[vital stag]

only the recent pagers seems exploded

[bold onyx]

so it means it was an accident?

[dense wren]

theres hacks in the wild that can do this wdym, basically keep shorting the battery till it overheats and explodes

hell theres some "apps" that did this by mistake, there was a hand warming app that did the same thing but to make the phone warm to heat the user's hands

videos of the explosions also look very much like its the battery exploding

[violet briar]

Again, a lithium battery explosion is more of a flame thrower than detonation.

A majority of these injuries are closer to what you'd see with someone on line with a firework/ grenade.

[vital stag]

isn't clear what made the only recent pagers explode but it seems like vulnerability in these last batch of pagers or they were modified to have small explosive

[opal vault]

I disagree, lithium explosions produce quite a lot of flame m, military explosives generate force, which is exactly the sort of blast seen on the CCTV

[violet briar]

Invalid link, doesn't go anywhere- refer to my prior post with 2 examples of a lithium battery exploding.

[bold onyx]

understandable, i'll delete it!

[opal vault]

“Excessive heating” is putting it mildly

[grand bough]

For sure, everything seems to point to the devices being compromised, let's see

[opal vault]

https://vxtwitter.com/jakegodin/status/1836042111726072229?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[dense wren]

yeah this is probably a compromised hardware situation, agreed

[grand bough]

That is a pretty chunky looking model, could defo see the ability to pack something in there that causes a punch

73(L) x 50(W) x 27(H) (mm)

[opal vault]

TOI quotes WSJ (itself quoting Hezbollah) that some members felt their pagers heating up before the explosion which lends credence to the battery explosion idea, but then again this is just a Hezbollah member talking

[elder apex]

Gift link to a live thread with updates Live Updates: Wireless Devices Explode Across Lebanon After Israel Warns Hezbollah https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/17/world/israel-hamas-war-news?unlocked_article_code=1.LU4.FZl0.Waga-ldKd8j-

[raven remnant]

Not going to post the video, as it is a bit graphic, but you can hear the pager buzzer going off before the blast.

[vital stag]

https://x.com/political_aya__/status/1836053224681316711

aya (@political_aya__) on X

a 10-year-old girl in the Beqaa was martyred due to the explosion of a pager at home where she was, according to Al-Manar correspondent from one of the hospitals in the region

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 2:42 PM

[violet briar]

Like I mentioned prior- if you had planted a bomb in these pagers, you'd likely send a message before detonation aswell, to get the user to take it out of their pocket (or pick it up off a table) and hold it in their hands, maximize injury/ fatality rates.

(And if you compromised all of the pagers- you'd keep one yourself to send said message)

[grand bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x50wwGjX2Ao

[opal vault]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1836057342175068613?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[raven remnant]

Here is the product page of the AR-924. However, I do find the Maintenance Provision section quite interesting.
https://www.gapollo.com.tw/product/ar-924/

[violet briar]

Here's the main question- Did pagers that were turned off detonate?

If pagers that were turned off detonated- it was a seperate detonator,

If they did not- could have been triggered via a message to the device- would probably be more complicated than it would need to be for this scale of attack.

[grand bough]

That YouTube video indicates this version came out around December 2022 replacing the previous model AL-924.

[violet briar]

https://x.com/IranIntlbrk/status/1836056400738304374
https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1836060188366737809
"Hezbollah MP Ali Ammar's son killed in pager blast"

ایران اینترنشنال - خبر فوری (@IranIntlbrk) on X

شبکه الحدث: پسر علی عمار، نماینده حزب‌الله در پارلمان لبنان، بر اثر انفجار پیجر کشته شده است

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 2:55 PM

[limpid zenith]

If they were able to sneak explosives into the pagers, it's likely a supply chain compromise. Unless there was a massive rollout of pagers recently, this would have to be prepped for way in advance.

[violet briar]

Hezbollah has been slowly switching from phones to pagers recently from what I can remember (don't fully quote me on this, but i'm confident they're newer)

[sudden oyster]

https://x.com/timourazhari/status/1836048880573513982

Timour Azhari (@timourazhari) on X

Pagers that detonated in Lebanon were latest model brought in by Hezbollah in recent months -three security sources to @Reuters

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 2:25 PM

[violet briar]

Good timing^

[glacial path]

Also suggesting any explosive devices were recently placed?

[dense wren]

i grew up in a hezballah controlled town, pagers were always a thing for them

the more serious comms are usually just intercom systems that are completely isolated from other networks

[opal vault]

Ryan Macbeth again making a good point that this has all the hallmarks of a shaping operation for future Israeli plans in the region. Israel has made no secret of its military buildup on the Lebanese border and this would be a perfect opener- destroy your opponent’s command and control, paralyse their leadership, and spread fear and confusion within the organisation
https://vxtwitter.com/ryanmcbeth/status/1836052524635201827?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[vital stag]

https://x.com/Pataramesh/status/1836057542004211878 ( iranian account talks about past mossad supply chain compromise for iran)

Patarames (@Pataramesh) on X

Israel allegedly placed explosives in missile data & electrical sockets, which Iran purchased on the international market

But they detected the sabotage in time, which should have given an idea what else could be affected

➡️ Standard Mossad method

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 3:00 PM

[dense wren]

https://x.com/QalaatM/status/1836066261974823084

QalaatM (@QalaatM) on X

Currently there are at least 20 Hezbollah fighters who were wounded in Syria following the explosion of their pagers (Damascus, Daraa & Quneitra provinces).
Real number is certainly higher.
Those explosions led to the closure of the Al-Mouwasat tunnel in Damascus 👇

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 3:34 PM

[violet briar]

https://x.com/chehayebk/status/1836066691299545249

Kareem Chehayeb | كريم شهيب (@chehayebk) on X

🇱🇧🏥At least 8 people killed, 2,750 wounded after pager explosions, said Lebanon Health Minister @firassabiad.

Hezbollah earlier said pagers belonging to its members had exploded, and that they are investigating the incident without immediately blaming Israel.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 3:36 PM

Journalist for AP

[proper plaza]

I disagree, this was almost certainly not the result of a DoS attack, electronic devices tend to not explode, especially not small devices like pagers

[opal vault]

His initial assumption of a DDOS attack I think is incorrect I agree

But the specifics are not known to us and will be speculation for some time

His broader point is that, however Israel did it, this is likely a shaping operation

That’s the key takeaway

[proper plaza]

Tend to disagree on that as well, but when someone leads which such wild speculations it’s probably not helpful commentary

Guardian reporting it’s all from a recent shipment

[opal vault]

Tbh all everyone is doing is wild speculation, we don’t have any solid clues and we’re making guesses in the hours after. The DDOS theory was the prevailing assumption for a solid half hour or so straight after the attack because things were moving so quickly. I don’t think the idea that this is a part of a wider operation by Israel is a stretch at all and is a very reasonable assumption

The fact is that Hezbollah uses pagers to communicate, the attack has taken that channel of communication down, and so Hezbollah is more vulnerable because of it, that’s the tactical implication in my view

[proper plaza]

Sorry, wsj. Here’s the link:

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hundreds-of-hezbollah-operatives-pagers-explode-in-apparent-attack-across-lebanon-cf31cad4

[grand bough]

Imo the fact this attack is in the day indicates targeted harm to the wearer. So not just downing communications

[pure pelican]

Several OSINT and Arabic-language social media accounts are drawing attention to yesterday's USAF EC-130H Compass Call flight - the first observed since October 2023. Some are speculating about a potential connection to today's pager explosions affecting Hezbollah personnel.

Note: While the timing is notable, it's important to emphasize that there's currently no evidence linking these events. We should be cautious about unsubstantiated claims that might be used to attribute responsibility prematurely.

Example:
https://vxtwitter.com/BelalNezar/status/1836064720727499212

[Google Translate]

Hebrew media reports the presence of a US Air Force aircraft
EC-130H Compass Call
Off the coast of Lebanon, during the targeting of Lebanese resistance elements, it is an aircraft dedicated to electronic warfare.

USAF Fact Sheet on the EC-130H:
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104550/ec-130h-compass-call/

[violet briar]

Oh that makes me very concerned about the "delayed explosions"

If you had your pager off, heard about a lot of explosions, rushed and turned it on and it is a message-based detonation.. Well..

[opal vault]

100%, the attack is definitely trying to achieve multiple objectives at once imo, directly injuring Hezbollah operatives, disrupting the chain of command, spreading panic and fear, all at the same time with one action

[proper plaza]

They planted explosives in devices handed out to active hezbollah operatives.

Also, they are “secure” devices. They only receive, so can’t be tracked. I agree with this assessment

[violet briar]

Disrupts chain of command and likely logistics in one swoop if it is physical explosives in there- That's 100% compromised if so.

[opal vault]

Frankly, the more we learn about this attack, the more shocked I am at just how compromised the entire organisation is to be vulnerable to an attack of this scale

[elder apex]

As always there will be immediate takes, because a subset of online people get paid by having Takes and getting them widely viewed.

[violet briar]

Yup, including "oh my god our phones are weapons" which is... not logical in the slightest and the biggest "panic response" from the initial reporting.

[proper plaza]

To add: The more outlandish and “clickbaity” / “retweetable” the more careful you have to be

[grand bough]

I'd imagine these pagers are used all over, the website lists BMW and Starbucks as a list of clients. Of course that could be for any of their devices, not this model.. but still

So points to sabotage of that shipment

[violet briar]

This is similar to what was done in the early 2000's "Israeli phone box bomb kills militant"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/15/israel

And also earlier this year! "Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was killed in Iran by bomb planted months before blast, source says"
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/middleeast/ismail-haniyeh-iran-explosion-bomb-planted-intl/index.html

[drifting trout]

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-ballistic-missile-sabotage-allegation-35bd868b28b9dc7b631fe5f2de4f3204

[proper plaza]

Also, from skimming tech details of Pager wireless communication, they are the perfect "mass detonation" system:

They receive a unencrypted wireless signal on specific frequencies and decode it to a message. If you add some electronics, you could "easily" detect a broadcasted secret code, which triggers the explosion.
You don't need to know the IDs of the pagers, nor do you need to "hack" the mobile providers, you can just send your own signal (similar to jamming), and all pagers which are activated and in range will trigger.

[violet briar]

Oh yeah they were used pretty often before cell phone IEDS were a thing, Used to have Pager based IEDS (Now this is an IED [maybe?] inside of a pager so semantics go out the window I guess)

[proper plaza]

why switch to cell phones? Cell phones ping cell towers afaik (and are thus detectable)

[opal vault]

Lebanese government officials now pointing the finger at Israel
https://vxtwitter.com/barakravid/status/1836068355423252972?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[violet briar]

Don't ask me, was probably just easier to access at the time, thinking IRA and ISIS era (Should probably clarify)

Looking into it more- both have used RCIED's (mobile+ pager detonators) along with a multitude of other detonation methods, such as a timer, anti-lift, etc etc.

As with most "guerilla-based" fighters they tend to take whatever they have on hand.

[proper plaza]

maybe because it's more instant? there might be some slight delay with pagers

[vital stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXHhGa5k8g&t=1756s
demo of a (subverted) security camera that leveraged facial recognition to trigger a self-destruction/explosion when a target was detected in close proximity
defcon 2014

[violet briar]

For comparison- the 2020 Beirut explosion injured 7,000. These pagers detonating are currently responsible for just under 3,000 under current reporting. (And I'd argue a higher rate of "significant" injuries)

[proper plaza]

I'd say this kind of attack is unprecedented

[limpid zenith]

Is this based on a spec page for a specific model? Because all the ones mentioned don't do two way comms like that. Even with RF signals it wouldn't be very feasible.

[proper plaza]

I think I described it badly, I meant that they only receive. The only modification is that they detect a specially coded message

[pure pelican]

The pager companies manuals are at: https://www.apollopagers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/
The responsiveness has been up and down in the last hour.

[raven remnant]

If the manual is working on your end and you have it open, Print the Page as a PDF and link it , so we don't have to deal with the load on their website. For example, here is the PDF for the AR924, the specific pager model that was shown in the image in the tweet previously.

[pure pelican]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OFpOhJLy5ddjPV65ysowPG2uYaAJth3r/view?usp=sharing

@raven remnant - there you go!

Or were you looking for a specific model besides the AR924?

[vital stag]

https://www.apollosystemshk.com/about/
"Apollo Systems HK acquired the sole distribution rights to Gold Apollo Pagers Systems, and is proud to provide a wide range of products and services."

the model which exploded https://www.apollosystemshk.com/product/42.html

[sudden oyster]

Would be great to see the reverse side of it -- though not much luck finding that hunting around places

[hushed bloom]

is it obvious that it's the 924? the photos i've seen are cut off after the 9

[vital stag]

https://www.apollosystemshk.com/product/6.html is an old model(AL-924), and mentions the EOL and introduction of the new model (AR-924) which is the one that exploded.

[willow vale]

yeah it's the only one that fits

[sudden oyster]

Agreed, though nice to have at least

[willow vale]

one thing is that the ones that exploded do not have a removable battery. the new one (rugged 924 model) is lithium with a usb-c charging port.

[violet briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x50wwGjX2Ao
(Video from the company)

they almost show the back side of the device but they never do 😭

[limpid zenith]

There's some more detailed info circulating but can't substantiate it. At all.

"GoaChronicle through its intelligence network has learned that Israeli intelligence successfully intercepted a shipment of pager batteries that had been ordered from B&H Photo. The order was placed from Lebanon. Acting on a confirmed tip, the intelligence agency seized the shipment and covertly modified the batteries. Small, undetectable explosives known as Kiska 3 were inserted into the battery casings and connected to the battery wires via a discreet chip. The pager model was Rugged Pager AR924 IP67. The operation code word was ‘Below the Belt’.

The modified batteries were programmed to heat up and detonate when triggered by the chip. This chip was remotely activated by sending a common message to all targeted pagers simultaneously, causing the explosions. This operation demonstrates a precise and strategic use of technology, further highlighting Israel’s sophisticated capabilities in cyber and intelligence warfare."

https://goachronicle.com/hezbollah-members-pagers-exploded-in-coordinated-attack-israel-suspected-of-hacking/

[vital stag]

usb-c charging port so you don't need to open it

[limpid zenith]

Anyone ever heard of this Kiska 3 claim at all?

[raven remnant]

Ok, I was looking at the VHF/UHF Transmitters they sell and this product caught my attention.

https://www.gapollo.com.tw/product/tx-200/

Granted this is some pure speculation, but this could reduce the amount of "hoops" you would have to jump through in order to issue a "Detonate" code.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kElLXVHBusA

[limpid zenith]

Sure but, programming software is publicly available and the passwords are easy to extract (if you check similar Apollo models on Recessim) and many are default. Reverse engineering of the software at that point to modify its operations seems kinda trivial for an APT.

[violet briar]

https://x.com/WarHorizon/status/1836080109549212000/photo/1

#𝕎𝕒𝕣 ℍ𝕠𝕣𝕚𝕫𝕠𝕟 (@WarHorizon) on X

‼️UPDATE:

The Model of the pagers that exploded in Lebanon are Gold Apollo AR-924. Apollo Electronic Paging Company is a company based in Taiwan.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 4:29 PM

@sudden oyster Slight apologies for the ping- but this is the backside of the pager (unexploded version compared with images from today)

Looks like a slight variation in sticker layout, but the order of the information matches. (Dist- Model- Frequency)

[sudden oyster]

Cheers, yeah, I noticed that the descriptions on the backs of other Apollo Gold models matched pretty well with the "Distri" "Model" and "Freq" lines.

[midnight badger]

So it seems like the idea was to clandestinely modify a batch of pagers and hope that some small percentage of them end up in the hands of enemy combatants?

[native citrus]

Backside is of AP-900GP - so a different model
https://www.ikonixtechnology.com.au/products/ap900

[violet briar]

(me cursing companies that name their products very similar names silently over here.)

[limpid zenith]

More likely direct intel on Hezbollah purchase

[midnight badger]

The number of reported injuries doesn't square with the reported number of Hezbollah injured/killed for that to intuitively be the case imo

[dense wren]

lebanese health minister is reporting lots of civilians injured too

if its a supply chain compromise they could have just detonated all the devices regardless of who the owner is

[limpid zenith]

I think the real issue even with the GoaChronicle claim is the miniaturization of this "Kiska" explosive....which again....found nothing that confirms this even exists. It has to be heat resistant to some degree since top operating temps for those pagers is around 50C on the high side...Can't have it detonate early

[limpid zenith]

Well if it was a large order of these devices or batteries, Hez may have distributed them to a number of different people.

[dense wren]

video from almaydan, the caller is asking if the "sheikh" has the new pager or still has one of the old ones

[midnight badger]

They didn't detonate all of them?

[hushed bloom]

the B&H claim sounds like a just straight up troll

[dense wren]

we dont know, all we know so far is that its pagers, and they're bulk used by hezballah members

we dont know how many non-hezb related civians got hurt (apart from the 10 year old girl)

for now information chaos as usual

[hushed bloom]

for context, B&H is an electronics supply co famously owned by hassidic jews in NY

[midnight badger]

*Lebanon’s health minister, Firas Abiad, said at least nine people were killed, including an 8-year-old girl, and 2,750 wounded — 200 of them critically — by the explosions. Most had injuries in the face, hand, or around the abdomen.

Hezbollah said in a statement that two of its members were among those killed. The Hezbollah official who spoke anonymously identified one of the dead as Mahdi Ammar, the son of one of the group’s members in the Lebanese parliament.*

From https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-hezbollah-israel-exploding-pagers-8893a09816410959b6fe94aec124461b

Of the total 9 dead, not sure if that includes the Hezbollah members. Assuming it does, that's 1:4.5 ratio of Hezbollah killed vs civilians.

If the injury count includes Hezbollah injured 611 of the injured should be Hezbollah by that ratio.

[limpid zenith]

Right?

Sounds off to me. Really can't confirm any of it.

[proper plaza]

I think we have zero visibility of how many were "actual" hezbollah vs how many received it from hezbollah vs how many got devices from whatever supply was "polluted"

Not sure I'd trust numbers from Hezbollah themselves (or even some lebanese politicians?)

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1836094617629909488/en

[hushed bloom]

Waiting rooms seemed to be exclusively 20 to 50-year-old men

[midnight badger]

I'm not sure there is a source that could produce completely trustworthy numbers. But where they came from isn't just cause to dismiss them entirely either.

Just another thing that needs to be factored in.

[hushed bloom]

At least in any of the photos that I've seen on Twitter. Does not look like the kind of sample you would get if you blew up every pager that a nurse in Lebanon has

[elder apex]

Hi, can you please post your sources for this information, not just "I'm seeing"? We would like to see it too 🙂 thanks!

[violet briar]

I've seen the same ones, It is extremely graphic in nature- someone walking past people with injuries to hands and limbs- If you post it @hushed bloom please spoiler tag it! I personally also wrap the link in <> (<examplefakesite.lul>) so it won't auto embed! (I'm not risking that one personally!)

[elder apex]

Yes please always follow the rules

[hushed bloom]

Eg this video

Actually I don't know how to spoiler tag so not posting it

[violet briar]

Spoiler tags are || on both sides, (|| example|| looks like ||example|| These are not l's or I's!)

[hushed bloom]

CW: graphic injuries

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1836041414536200269?t=2E7cKx0hcz3xAqa0uXle8w&s=19

Hmm code block seems to prevent auto embed too

[violet briar]

..that'll work i guess

[elder apex]

You had said "photo" so I thought it was something that could be easily cropped to remove injuries. If there is a video where mass injuries are visible let's just let it be.

[proper plaza]

you can also use < and > (before/after link) (but yeah not worth it)

[elder apex]

Remember that spoilering with no paired warning isn't helpful, as people won't know what they are about to click, too.

Thanks for helping ace and evil 🙂

[violet briar]

It's a mix of the ER videos (there's 2) and the images of injuries on the street when this first occurred- all seem to be guys in their 20's-30's (maybe 40's at most?)

It is a lot of hand+ leg injuries.

[hushed bloom]

https://www.anera.org/blog/women-on-the-frontlines-of-healthcare-in-lebanon/

This (from 2022) claims 80% of RNs are women... So it seems hard to give the claims that it wasn't focused much credence

[hushed bloom]

Yeah like something off a Jewish WhatsApp meme group

[midnight badger]

Using a handful of online videos to determine gender balance of the thousands injured to then claim it's evidence of the attack being limited feels premature.

https://x.com/Edmund_Bower/status/1836089206621241845

Edmund Bower (@Edmund_Bower) on X

An AUB doctor told me he hasn’t seen anything like this since the 2020 port explosion. “It’s chaos inside. It isn’t just men. Women and children too. A woman has had her whole face disfigured”.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 5:05 PM

Based on the comments to this there could be a meme response of "what were they doing with a Hezbollah pager" forming to concerns about injured civilians.

[violet briar]

Wouldn't doubt it- but a vast majority would be male.

These went off in public. For a hypothetical example- if someone had a pager in their pocket standing up in a line- that pager height would be perfect for a kid's head level.

[proper plaza]

even if only hezbollah men had the explosive pagers, it would not be limited. thousands of explosions would hurt passerbys especially in crowded places. not to mention families where the pager may have been laying around.

[midnight badger]

Also the psychological effect on the populous at large

[vital stag]

https://x.com/AJABreaking/status/1836107582844317928
Lebanese security source to Al Jazeera:
The communication devices that were bombed were imported 5 months ago
The communication devices that exploded were booby-trapped in advance
The weight of the bomb that was detonated did not exceed 20 grams of explosives

الجزيرة - عاجل (@AJABreaking) on X

عاجل | مصدر أمني لبناني للجزيرة: زنة العبوة التي تم تفجيرها لم تتجاوز 20 غراما من المواد المتفجرة

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 6:18 PM

[violet briar]

Oh yeah people are afraid to answer phones currently based on current NYT reporting atleast.

[violet briar]

From here

[vital stag]

Lebanese security source to Al Jazeera: A group of hypotheses are being investigated about how the explosive charge was activated

[pure pelican]

Journalist Séamus Malekafzal reports that Kata'ib Hezbollah, part of the Islamic Resistance of Iraq, issued a statement in support of Hezbollah in Lebanon:

https://vxtwitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1836106449249882217

[midnight badger]

US press sec says US was not involved in or aware of the "operation" involving the exploding pagers

(From live feed on white house Twitter account)

[proper plaza]

even if the perpetrators tried to limit “civilian” casualties (tiny explosive amounts, targeted distribution) with the amount of explosives they fully accepted that they’d also hit civilians. This was not a surgical strike.

[midnight badger]

Why don't these accounts ever link to the source

[raven remnant]

Ok, found a tweet with 2 CCTV videos showing the pagers going off, It's a bit graphic so going to censor it to be safe.

CW: Videos of Pagers Exploding:

||https://x.com/clashreport/status/1836034637585330245||

[violet briar]

Best source I can find is CNN- Which has it as a leading theory- with the other one being a "mass lithium battery exploit" which I have gone into great detail on why I don't think it's that.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/lebanon-pagers-attack-hezbollah#h_fae744b5f17886dd7ce2bec9ff9ab047

[vital stag]

i guess it confirmed by Lebanese security forces that supply chain was compromised

[midnight badger]

Lithium batteries burn like thermite don't they? Explosion would require all that energy released at once?

[raven remnant]

Yep, both of the videos in the twitter video I linked were both taken at markets, one in the isle of a store and the other one at a register.

[proper plaza]

seems like the pagers received a message just before going off. would explain why theres so many head / hand injuries

[marsh gull]

Has anyone seen any group attempting to do a more objective count of how many actual explosions there were?

There's some incongruities with the idea of 1000s and a supply chain breach too

[proper plaza]

i would say a vast majority have not been recorded, probably the best way to tell is to know how many were shipped in

[brittle tree]

It's very dependent on the particular battery chemistry used. For example, LiPos combust very spectacularly, NMCs are somewhat more stable, and LiFePo batteries are pretty stable.

[marsh gull]

I don't think that's entirely a good metric though

[violet briar]

Atleast 10* documented- 2 filmed blowing up in stores, 2 motorcycles, 1 car, 4 separate areas in the street (photo aftermath)

*Also the one blowing up a dresser!

[marsh gull]

There's plenty of examples of these sorts of supply chain operations the past few years, they take many years to accomplish on scales smaller than that even

That's not something you do overnight

Not that it's impossible just presents some important questions to answer if we delve down the supply chain hypothesis

[brittle tree]

It is very common for rapid thermal runaway in lithium batteries to be referred to as "explosions" by witnesses, even though it technically doesn't qualify as one. See for example the notorious Samsung Galaxy Note 7 incidents.

[marsh gull]

I personally think a realistic count will probably be more in the mid hundreds, or less

[violet briar]

Yeah the footage of these blowing up are very likely not a lithium battery blowing up-

I often compare lithium explosions to a flame thrower more than explosion.

These were full on explosions.

[raven remnant]

Regarding the explosion vs fire aspect, this video is a good demonstration for the range that usually occurs with Lithium ion batteries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI

[vital stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDaPP-dI9dE&t=16s

[brittle tree]

The injury profiles also tend to be very different. I have not looked at images of this incident (and I'm not planning to). Lithium fires tend to primarily result in severe burns compared to blast or shrapnel injuries.

[violet briar]

Oh yeah very different injury profile here aswell- more similar to a firecracker/ grenade detonation in personal experience.

There are areas of "burn" damage- very close to detonation source but i'd describe it more as "explosion injury"

[proper plaza]

id love to know how you are supposed to “hack” pagers so that their batteries get thermal run off / blowup

afaik manufacturers dont insert secret “blow up battery” backdoors

[midnight badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fL9qaZXalE

Don't know if this is authentic, but this note phone was in the person's hands when it suddenly burst and burned afterwards

[marsh gull]

I'm not a cyber nerd so cant speak 100% to it but from my understanding this does relate less to some fancy "back door" and more just access enabling you to do things like run super resource intensive programs

[midnight badger]

If there are dismemberments occurring then it'd be hard to see how that can happen without some kind of assistance from explosives.

[vital stag]

"Apollo Systems HK acquired the sole distribution rights to Gold Apollo Pagers Systems, and is proud to provide a wide range of products and services."
i can't find much info about it

[violet briar]

To add onto this-*** INJURY PROFILES*** ||Haven't seen full limb dismemberment- 1 report of a hand, most visual confirmation I can see are missing fingers, massive lacerations to arms, hands, face (and sometimes legs if it detonated in pocket)|| Certainly more of a "maiming" attack.

[proper plaza]

it's a pager. Its a low resource device which doesnt do much.

[brittle tree]

And the other thing is, I'm not sure it's really feasible to trigger lithium battery fires reliably within a short timeframe, except through physical influence. Puncturing them is a pretty reliable way. As for these cases without an external puncturing event, the usual cause is long-term dendrite build-up between the electrodes. Dendrites are tendrils of lithium metal that can form on the electrodes over time. They can then either result in an internal short circuit or in puncturing the battery membranes.

[marsh gull]

Agreed I dunno exactly how that'd work with a pager, just, referencing it usually has nothing to do with some fancy "blow up backdoor" - so if that was the case, it unlikely had to relate to that anyways

[violet briar]

The pager was likely both the method of concealment- and also the detonator

Usually for RCIEDS the pager/phone/RC controller/ insert whatever here is only the detonator,

[brittle tree]

They also tend to be built with special kinds of battery requirements. Low self-discharge, but also low output current. It's unlikely that it would even be possible to draw a lot of current without a pretty massive current drop.

[midnight badger]

So some kind of circuit for scanning the contents of a received message and triggering the explosive when a certain message is received?

[brittle tree]

I.e. a low power density (not to be confused with energy density).

[violet briar]

Likely the pager itself, probably had a special code/ frequency to trigger the explosion (from the components stashed inside- again, easiest comparison is an RCIED)- Would also make sense of why the pagers "went off" very shortly before detonation.

[empty glacier]

https://x.com/JimmySecUK/status/1836113371172683792?t=CIgbefQ99T4Fw6ZUI6KG2Q&s=19

Jimmy Rushton (@JimmySecUK) on X

"Exclusive sources for Sky News Arabia: Mossad placed a quantity of highly explosive PETN on the devices’ battery and detonated it by raising the battery’s temperature".
https://t.co/jlGV3isHsD

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 6:41 PM

[brittle tree]

When you are able to embed actual explosives into the device, adding a firmware backdoor is the least of your problems.

[violet briar]

If that's legit- very unique "trigger" (why not just use another pager if you've compromised the rest of the batch?)

[brittle tree]

Seems very unlikely

[marsh gull]

That is how it use to be done with phones into the early 2000s at least with some actors

Not sure if you could feasibly do that with pagers

[empty glacier]

Would mean they had their pagers from a compromised source

[drifting trout]

I think i've seen like 4 different claims of which specific explosive was used at this point

[violet briar]

Hey i've heard much weirder from ISIS and the IRA in the past. (eg- melting ice to kickstart a mortar, running a van with a wire from it down a road- when the wire runs out of slack and disconnects, it detonates, etc.) Would be very impractical for the resources they have though.

[marsh gull]

Yeah the biggest thing to recognize right now is there is a lot of specifics and grandness being claimed without actual root sourcing

[empty glacier]

You mean the Nokia bombs?

[marsh gull]

I think? Not sure if you mean in general or a specific set of cases

[brittle tree]

The battery would be on fire before any common explosive even notices.

[empty glacier]

Not specific cases, just remember that term

[marsh gull]

Certain elements of Israel's IC have a history of doing that and iirc similar stuff was done back in the days they use to do that with isolated networks inside Europe and etc, that, weren't really feasible to get someone next too & wasnt more feasible like RF mechanisms

[hushed bloom]

They're lucky they did that before "hi, we're calling to reach you about your car's extended warranty"

[violet briar]

Yeah, most likely. Low on the confidence- but I can't fully rule it out- there's some real specific chemicals that are "heat prone" (but I think they'd react* by radiant heat from the human body before they get to battery heat level)

[midnight badger]

The device would have to get very hot if it was indeed the trigger; leaving it baking on the dash under the wind shield can't get it hot enough to set it off and potentially expose the modified nature of the device

[brittle tree]

Let's be careful we're not getting into bomb building tutorials here. But in general, mobile phones are a pretty popular trigger mechanism, because there are many ways you can get a small current from a mobile phone when it gets called.

[drifting trout]

Many of the explosives that would be reliably set off by a hot battery are the ones you wouldn't want to use because they likely would have been accidentally set off just from regular use/handling. Or would only deflagrate rather than detonate without confinement

[empty glacier]

From which temperature range we are talking here

[midnight badger]

Exactly

[marsh gull]

Yeah I agree wasn't getting into it, just wasn't sure if he was referencing specific cases. Mossad for example has a history of known, public cases we can speak too of this sort - I'm not aware of any specifically using a Nokia or etc though so yah

[brittle tree]

Exactly. These are very hot countries and cars get ridiculously hot in the sun. Like for example Tesla noticed when they used non automotive-grade displays in their cars and the glue literally melted out of the LCD.

[marsh gull]

Intelligence services also tend to have tradecraft patterns that can be followed over time

[midnight badger]

Very ©️ of Tesla

[marsh gull]

This is also why I threw up the flag for the claim of the supply chain hypothesis alongside the claim of 1000s of devices

I can't really envision a way that'd work out, also knowing those sorts of compromises take years

Not impossible but certainly raises some questions about the potential of that

[violet briar]

It'd be a massive operation. Probably after purchase of the pagers- but before they're shipped internally-Would have been a spy working probably in the logistics side of Hezbollah

[midnight badger]

Idk. If the pager manufacturer is taking bids for a new part on the pager and some new company comes along with a price that undercuts everyone else...?

[brittle tree]

I think a supply chain attack is pretty much guaranteed here. The explosives would likely have to be disguised as plausible components. Otherwise, one person dropping their pager on the ground and it breaking open would be enough to ruin the plan.

[violet briar]

They sell internationally- i'm personally ruling out the manufacturer

[marsh gull]

I agree there, that's why I said alongside the claims of 1000s of devices

[brittle tree]

Electronic component procurement is… messy.

And it depends strongly on the device maker and its size.

[marsh gull]

I think we're getting a lot of conflation between potential wounded count and devices in a lot of reporting, do think the supply chain hypothesis is the leading one though

It'd also align with the tradecraft pattern point in re Israel conducting it better than with other hypothesis

[brittle tree]

But more generally speaking, you tend to look up components based on your requirements and then go either through a wholesaler (Mouser or DigiKey are popular examples) or contact the manufacturer directly. Pagers rarely use very complex stuff, so I wouldn't expect a component manufacturer to contact them proactively.

[midnight badger]

I would think, if this was done at the factory, some degree of infiltration of the factory would be required to be able to make sure the run with the modifications ends up where they want it.

[empty glacier]

What I don't understand as a technical blonde is the few seconds it would need to heat that thing up. I carried my pager in my jacket, from taking it out and looking on it it's three seconds.

[violet briar]

I think there's a minor level of confusion ongoing on the ground there- making sure there's none here-
The only things that have detonated are specific pagers of the same make and model that Hezbollah has recently stated they bought a lot of recently.

[brittle tree]

It doesn't necessarily have to happen at the factory. Setting up as a vendor (but not OEM) and modifying devices before selling them on is also feasible.

There are rumours of this being quite common with firmware manipulation for surveillance purposes.

The OEM does not have to be compromised.

[midnight badger]

Good point. If indeed thousands of devices exploded that's a lot of labor to disassemble (making sure to leave no apprentice marks), replace/add components, test, reassemble, repackage

[brittle tree]

That's not a hurdle for a dedicated state level actor.

[cunning gazelle]

So, from what I’ve seen Li-Ion batteries can explode if they are shorted, in most electronics this is prevented using fuses. It is certainly possible to achieve this without explosives.

[brittle tree]

We discussed this earlier.

[cunning gazelle]

Oh ok

[brittle tree]

I know, it's difficult to follow these rapidly developing threads.

[marsh gull]

Yeah that's usually how it happens. There are some rare cases of actual entire front groups themselves but they're rare and generally lack actual public marketing. FBI with ANOM for example.

[midnight badger]

I don't doubt the resources are available, just that it results in a physically large operation with a lot of hands on.

[brittle tree]

That's usually a good indicator that slow mode can be helpful. So I've enabled it for this thread for now.

[molten jacinth]

Some background on supply chain attacks https://sepiocyber.com/resources/research/supply-chain-attacks/

[violet briar]

Just a clarification that I suspect this was a supply chain attack once the pagers were in Lebanon- Not when they were produced in Taiwan.

So same thing just fiddle with the wording a little. (Just making sure we're on the same page here)

Also that original company should probably make a statement relatively soon (if they even know about this!) because yeah it probably wont be good on paper to have their brand associated with this.

[molten jacinth]

Yeah easier to do it at delivery phase.

[brittle tree]

The vendor can be located anywhere, even in a third country.

[violet briar]

I personally would reason that Hezbollah would probably usually not trust most things built or claim to have been built in the middle east, primarily due to past incidents- making me wonder if they tried to "buy direct" and if they couldn't- potentially through a 3rd party who could have been compromised and "promised they'd ship it securely" (Effectively like a drug bust where the middleman's the one wearing the wire)

Hezbollah is probably running through every single person that had their hands on these pagers before they were distributed internally trying to find who did this.

[molten jacinth]

Thread on hacker news, more tech theories there https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41567299

logicchains

Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

Hacker News · Sep 17, 2024, 1:15 PM

[ruby fjord]

would the expected failure rates on some kind of intentional modification to the pagers, or potential targets who were out of the contacted area mean there are compromised units which did not explode which we be subject to dissassembly and examination? state-level agencies would be trying to get a hold of these?

[proper plaza]

This is talking about supply chain attacks for cyberattacks not physical supply chains

[ruby fjord]

i know people can piece together a lot from the destroyed fragments, but what's the value of an intact unit?

[violet briar]

Given how unsure Hezbollah is about what in the world happened- I am decently sure that either

1- All modified pagers successfully blew up
2- The explosive charge is very well hidden within the ones that didn't
(2a- They're afraid to open the ones that didn't, which- fair.)

If they had evidence they're not typically the silent types about it.

[limpid zenith]

well based on the breakdown we saw of the devices from before, it doesn't sound "concealable" at all

[proper plaza]

If I had to guess even if they did know something, their organization might be slightly in disarray atm.

We will know more in the next few days

[brittle tree]

These kinds of attacks are usually single use and that's fully calculated into the cost-benefit analysis of when and how to use it. Compare for example Stuxnet.

[limpid zenith]

https://x.com/d0tslash/status/1836074048230469847 interesting potential detail about CAP codes

KF (@d0tslash) on X

Ohhh those are nice... you can just out the box duplicate CAP Codes @TherealDubWC style!? 🔥ordered cc @sjhilt https://t.co/SoL521q6vF

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 4:05 PM

[neat vine]

if it was adding explosives to tampered pagers, i imagine that it would have been at risk of being picked up at security checkpoints at ports of entry?

[violet briar]

Not if they were added at the points of entry/ within the country- avoiding the problem entirely

[neat vine]

do we know the time they were issued those pagers? if it's a short time then yeah i guess they can all be contained, but if it's months in waiting, that leads to possibilty of them making travel plans etc

[violet briar]

I've heard reports that these were ordered "a few months ago", "This was the first time they've been used"- (Two conflicting statements from anonymous sources) , etc etc- General consensus is that they are newer- no confirmation on how new

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/lebanon-pagers-attack-hezbollah#h_f3b765962d06d4290a8604d180c82462
"Exploding pagers had been purchased by Hezbollah in recent months, Lebanese security source says"

[paper moat]

off the telegraph:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/09/17/hundreds-hezbollah-fighters-injured-exploding-pagers-israel/

[violet briar]

miiight need to hide the embed on that one- click the X when you mouse over the embed. (It's buried in the live feed from Telegraph, shows injuries)

[quiet phoenix]

PETN can't be detonated by a raised temperature afaict? It needs a shock/primary detonation?

[proper plaza]

I’d take any exact descriptions (explosive type or exact trigger) with a big grain of salt atm.

[grizzled zephyr]

also if the point of entry had security checkpoints removed for other uses

it's not implausible that shipments to hezbollah dont go through the same security checks

[quiet phoenix]

Indeed, I think it casts doubt on the rest of the information being passed around tbh.

[proper plaza]

I’m a bit frustrated that the cyberattack theory is broadly presented as a possible theory in news media. All it does is make people fearful that hackers can blow their mobile phones up.

[charred echo]

Living in constant fear is great for the economy….

[mighty imp]

https://x.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1836155277596594247

Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) on X

🚨 EXCLUSIVE: Hezbollah's suspicions of booby-trapped pagers expedited #Israel's attack in Lebanon today, senior intelligence sources tell @AlMonitor . Details: https://t.co/pHhLyMAv6c

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 9:28 PM

[rich tinsel]

@violet briar not been able to read everything in here but did you end up working out what model the pagers were?

[limpid zenith]

is SkyNews Arabia a reliable source though?

[pure pelican]

Various accounts on X have noted that the American University in Beirut recently completed a change in paging systems. Some of these accounts are using this information to imply prior knowledge of today's attack:

Statement from the American University in Beirut:
https://vxtwitter.com/AUBMC_Official/status/1836093048801104379

Key points from statement:

• The paging system infrastructure was upgraded in April of this year.
• The user switchover occurred on August 29th.
• The medical center has received over 160 seriously injured individuals.

[proper plaza]

https://bsky.app/profile/sheeraf.bsky.social/post/3l4eywk6cbr2k

https://archive.is/MSEPQ

NYTimes article also says it was over 3000 pagers (which fits the injured numbers?)

[violet briar]

It is likely the Gold Apollo AR-924

It could be the Apollo AP-900, but due to differences in the sticker layout on the back of the pager- I lean towards it being the newer (and unphotographed) 924.

[kindred storm]

Looks like they took down the page, but it's on wayback machine for their HK branch: http://web.archive.org/web/20240917160632/https://www.apollosystemshk.com/product/42.html

[gusty ravine]

Israel planted explosives in Hezbollah's Taiwan-made pagers, sources say - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollahs-taiwan-made-pagers-sources-say-2024-09-18/ here's Reuters article saying it was 5000pcs, according to a "lebanese security source"

[atomic sequoia]

There's this company I found that explicitly provides "military radios"(TETRA etc) and pagers, is established(I think a few Hezb "sources" have said the devices were of a new make/model but the same supplier) and has a claimed nationwide POCSAG network
https://www.devex.com/organizations/jinny-telecom-sal-153803

If I was Hezbollah I would be using the people who already do the radio infrastructure+keying+procurement for the ISF

They got $4m in grants from the department of state though lmao https://www.highergov.com/awardee/jinny-telecom-sal-10022312/

It's one of those things where I don't think they would implicate the hospital by using their probably quite limited POCSAG transmitter range

As well as the fact Hezbollah has essentially been building its own telco internally for decades at this point

[atomic sequoia]

This is how POCSAG works btw, CAP codes are just your device ID. Used to have to open up the device and change a DIP switch to set your ID

[opal vault]

Interesting claims from Axios, that a) the tampered pagers were part of a larger operational plan in the event of full scale conflict on that border to disrupt Hezbollah C&C, and b) the Israelis were concerned that the plot was about to be discovered and so detonated the devices before Hezbollah could take action
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/18/hezbollah-pager-explosions-israel-suspicions

If nothing else, this does indicate that the attack was not part of an overarching plan and was done on a spur of the moment basis, which raises the spectre of uncontrolled escalation

[surreal arch]

Nothing bad ever came from bending policy to suit waning capabilities, eh

[proper plaza]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=898414085681268

The BAC consulting site is not loading too well: https://archive.is/eGGTl

seems to be just one women behind that company (atleast publicly) who does/has done humanitarian development work

[strong juniper]

Is it just me or is bacconsulting a bit shady?

[quiet phoenix]

That address appears to be a domestic address, so please be careful with it.

[atomic sequoia]

Net sales 2023: "HUF 210,307" ~ 600ish USD

I can't imagine that a pager manufacturing/middleman between pager manufacturing makes a lot of money, but that also seems like it's wayyyyy too low

https://webshop.opten.hu/bac-consulting-kft-c0109400938.html

The only other Hungarian biz listing site with BAC on it switched to login only afaik

[slate halo]

That education says "wealthy failkid" to me. Looks like a couple dozen boarding-school-to-niche-STEM-to-humanities folks I know

[scarlet stag]

are those 2 profile pics the same photo, but flipped and with background taken out in one? Pose, jewely, hair all look the same other than flipped to me

[quiet phoenix]

Um, we don't normally post personal information here, you're probably gonna get modded if you don't delete it.

The photos and the phone number/email are not normally the kind of thing that would be posted FTR.

[atomic sequoia]

Icic, apologies, I thought with it being company reg info it was half excluded from the doxxing rule

[quiet phoenix]

IDK, mods will say?

[slate halo]

There is one interesting connection here: if you were designing something you didn't want to be detectable at X-ray checkpoints, someone who'd worked in positron physics would have a strong technical understanding of the chemistry/physics of imaging systems and would be very good at evaluating the different proposed designs.

[atomic sequoia]

Very true, but I don't think you would have the asset fronting the pagers be the same person who's doing the technical work to conceal+tamper 5000 devices, not that we know for sure, but it seems a little strange to me to expose someone like that

[strong juniper]

Maybe BAC and this person was only used for obtaining the production certificates from Apollo Gold. I would doubt the actual production/shipping/sales would be done in the same layer. This is probably only one variable in the plot.

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah you're right and I'm definitely not up to scratch on my mossad TTPs but if that's a technical officer why would you need a whole company? Isn't flying them in to Hungary under no declaration basically the same outcome?

It's just one of those things that seems strange to me from an operational planning standpoint, have the Hungarian gov responded at all?

[acoustic bane]

@atomic sequoia and eveyone else in this thread:

Please do not link to the profiles of individuals in this thread or anywhere else in the server. The risk of misidentifying individuals is huge, and this is a public forum.

If anyone notices people linking to someone's LinkedIn, Facebook, or any other social media profile, please alert a moderator so that we can delete the posts

[atomic sequoia]

Understood 100% and apologies again

Something interesting was Google indexing this URL 10 years ago(plus the UNESCO connection)

[atomic sequoia]

https://web.archive.org/web/20220307210812/https://www.bacconsulting.org/blog-feed.xml
Blog Post feed archive w/ the same author name as the company director

[proper plaza]

It’s certainly weird that a one person consulting firm would license Pager Production (and brand!)

IMO (speculation, since we don’t know anything)
BACconsulting is real (it’s the initials of the sole person seemingly behind the company..) , but was used as a shell company by whoever wanted to actually license the pager production.

[proper plaza]

more speculation

Getting a licensing deal likely meant that they got technical data / products etc to produce their own pagers.

So if it was an Israeli agency which used BACconsulting as a front/shell, they could design their own explosive pager version using the original design and manufacture it themselves, making it virtually indistinguishable from “authentic” pagers.

Still leaves open how exactly they got Hezbollah to order from them.

[grand bough]

My question is also has any other customer ordered these models or tried to order them.

Because that was advertised on the Apollo site, that one could enquire about them or get a sample.

And what we know from the Apollo statement, any of those orders would have to be fulfilled via the Hungarian company

[atomic sequoia]

I find BAC(the person) the weirdest part about this whole thing, she has some very strange connections for her stated roles

My speculation is that she was influenced overall by whatever MICE pillar(her eyes seem to have sunk back quite a lot+crows feet in just under 2 yrs) and probably used to spy on Libyan gov supply chains, Serbian politicians/the IAEA and other stuff(in the last 5ish years shes been all across LATAM/SA with her mom)

But again, none of that we will probably ever know for certain

[quiet phoenix]

Aid workers, especially the kind who become consultants for aid organisations, tend to meet and interact with all sorts of weird people and go to all sorts of odd places(which is why they make good covers, but the causality is "aid workers meet weird people">"it's easy to meet weird people without suspision" rather than the other way round)

[atomic sequoia]

I just sent you my justification for thinking why the connections are extremely strange for a UNESCO/Child development aid worker to have

[proper plaza]

What ever is going on, we’ll likely know more soon (either media interview or law enforcement?)

[atomic sequoia]

I think they finally made media contact after being blacked out for the initial part
https://news.sky.com/story/the-budapest-firm-linked-to-explosive-pagers-that-killed-hezbollah-members-13217153

[proper plaza]

“I don't make the pagers. I am just the intermediate. I think you got it wrong”
Seems like they used it as a shell company. The house is also used by several other “companies”

[atomic sequoia]

What I'm wondering is like, the relationship between GOLD APOLLO and BAC seems like a mfg+design agreement, who does the sales? Is GOLD APOLLO just selling the pager board IP or something?

[proper plaza]

Rereading Gold Apollos statement it seems like it was solely for the use of Gold Apollos brand, to manufacture and sell products in specific countries

[grizzled zephyr]

https://x.com/IntelCrab/status/1836407681822671294

The Intel Crab (@IntelCrab) on X

More radio connected devices (pagers and/or cell phones) are exploding in Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:11 PM

[atomic sequoia]

No fucking way is there more

[grizzled zephyr]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1836408951258120588 (not a tech guy) doesnt seem to be the same pagers as yesterday

[atomic sequoia]

Those are definitely not pagers

Look to be radios of some kind?

[vital stag]

it is IC-V82

with lithium battery

reports about explosion in cell phones and regular phones

[opal vault]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1836409624053928426

[elder apex]

How could you tell (or did you see this online somewhere?)

[vital stag]

yeah on local telegram channels, i find it weird honestly

[atomic sequoia]

There's an ICOM logo on the left image here

[elder apex]

Ok, make sure to share the telegram post. If you don't know how let me know and I'll help

[vital stag]

https://t.me/mehwaralmokawma/223227
https://t.me/rasedal3ado138e/139854

[opal vault]

I'm not 100% certain of the veracity of the images shared by Fabian, but if these are indeed images of new detonations, there's a lot more fire than the previous ones

[grizzled zephyr]

larger devices can have larger charges

also could be this is smaller but higher value targets

[atomic sequoia]

Also that looks like "M3457" written in Sharpie on the shielding

[vital stag]

it might be not accurate not sure but they usually share reliable things

[grand bough]

Good lord

[elder apex]

It just helps us all understand where information is coming from and what the justification used to make that determination is. Thanks!

[opal vault]

closer image from Fabian, should help with ID
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1836410848098574761

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Another purported image of a Hezbollah walkie talkie that exploded in Lebanon.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:23 PM

these look to be some form of walkie talkie, still trying to discern make/model but you can see the attachment point of an aerial

[vital stag]

that one appears to be IC-V82

[raven remnant]

Ok, don't know if it's just those 3 photos, but it seems like there is a lot more smoke and fire in the aftermath of those photos, as compared to what occurred yesterday.

[vital stag]

it seems something weird is happening this time different to pagers
https://x.com/political_aya__/status/1836411609641529536

aya (@political_aya__) on X

I don't know if it's true but they're telling us to stay away from anything with a lithium battery...literally all our electronic devices and even the solar batteries we have in our homes...

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:27 PM

[grand bough]

If this is true, I'd imagine yesterdays events invited checks for other devices so they were triggered before things could be ascertained

[proper plaza]

no

There's a lot of bad info going around, time to take a breath and wait.

[atomic sequoia]

It is in Israeli intelligence's best wishes for people to be afraid of any instant communications device

[vital stag]

i hope it is no, i find it weird to be some regular devices exploding

[grand bough]

Would be good to see a video, I'd imagine there will be one if this is widespread

[raven remnant]

Counterpoint, even if the other devices were not rigged to explode. It's possible that people yesteday went and double checked their devices and damaged the lithium ion batterys in these things.

[warm furnace]

The Al-Jazeera English livestream is also running with the story of "communication devices" exploding in "Hezbollah stronghold" in southern suburbs of Beirut. They mentioned a car on fire as well as an apartment, several explosions being heard, some near a funeral for one of yesterdays victims.

[proper plaza]

first Reuters report is out:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollahs-taiwan-made-pagers-say-sources-2024-09-18/

BEIRUT, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Hand-held radios used by Lebanon's armed group Hezbollah detonated late on Wednesday afternoon across the country's south and in the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, a security source and a witness said. At least one of the blasts took place near a funeral organized by Iran-backed Hezbollah for those killed the previous day when thousands of pagers used by the group exploded across the country.

In general info is foggy, main thing is the video of the funeral

[elder apex]

Hi all, remember that people read this discord for information, not speculation

[grizzled zephyr]

||https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1836410581324050814|| video from the funeral CW just in case but shows explosions and mass chaos

[elder apex]

We do have some members who know quite a lot about batteries and I'm sure they'll be along soon

[opal vault]

Fabian has shared that too

[atomic sequoia]

Same thing as before, way too violent to be solely a battery

[willow vale]

Hm, noticed at least two cell phone stores on fire with this... this may not be as precisely targeted as the pagers.

[opal vault]

The Guardian is now quoting Reuters in stating that these were indeed targeted at different devices, namely walkie talkies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/18/middle-east-crisis-live-hezbollah-pager-explosion-lebanon-irael-iran-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66eae4068f085fa2473a3a61#block-66eae4068f085fa2473a3a61

[atomic sequoia]

OTOH(and I do agree that this seems less targeted), I would be distributing my underground c2 phones through a network of phone stores

[vital stag]

this seems to be regular phones shop

[elder apex]

Link to where the image is from, please?

[vital stag]

https://x.com/Bk_Hanas/status/1836413080009400621

"Explosion of communication devices inside a store in Sidon"

Ali Bk (@Bk_Hanas) on X

إنفـ جار أجهزة إتصال داخل محل في صيدا

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:32 PM

[raven remnant]

I know it's too early but, do we have any idea on when the pagers were ordered or delivered, and if there was anything else ordered or delivered around the same time period as the pagers from yesterday

[vital stag]

https://x.com/trbrtc/status/1836413966689464537

Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) on X

Based on its appearance and the visible markings, this device seems to be the ICOM IC-V82 model. https://t.co/QVwy22Tx6t

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:36 PM

[elder apex]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/18/world/israel-hezbollah-gaza-hamas/ff00c924-b66c-5a5d-929e-fe60da8b0d9c?smid=url-share

Hwaida Saad
Sept. 18, 2024, 10:39 a.m. ET2 minutes ago
Hwaida SaadReporting from Beirut, Lebanon

Hezbollah said that more explosions had occurred in different areas of Lebanon on Wednesday, this time affecting handheld radios.

[opal vault]

at least according to tentative info, it appears so, whether or not they were of the same shipment or merely coincidental timing is of course not clear
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1836414695160283411

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah that exploded across Lebanon today were purchased by the terror group some five months ago, around the same time as the pagers that exploded yesterday, Reuters reports, citing a security source.

Dozens of people are reported wounded in the

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:39 PM

[vital stag]

source: https://t.me/rasedal3ado138e/139879 | "Employee fingerprint machine explosion"

[raven remnant]

Here is the instruction manual for that model series from ICOM's website.

https://www.icomjapan.com/api/download.php?post_id=2941&fl=JTJGdXBsb2FkcyUyRnN1cHBvcnQlMkZtYW51YWwlMkZJQy1WODJfVTgyLTMucGRm

[grand bough]

Various radio websites stating this model is discontinued. e.g https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/ht/0882.html

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah it's also heavily cloned iirc

[vital stag]

source: https://t.me/almayadeen/257031
"Lebanon: Al Mayadeen correspondent: A number of lithium batteries exploded in homes, in addition to other devices, in various parts of Lebanon"

[opal vault]

are we certain that it's this particular model? and is it discontinued worldwide or just in whatever location this website is based? it doesn't give much info tbh

[atomic sequoia]

This is the most interesting photo of the lot, implies the battery contains the explosive

Devices could be clean and in Lebanon already(documented cases of Hezbollah using them+a now defunct company was the only official reseller of ICOM radios in Lebanon https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/press-releases/risky-business-icoms-two-way-radios-landing-hands-of-hezbollah)

[opal vault]

I'm a bit annoyed because I found a good 5 second video of someone holding up a detonated walkie talkie and showing both the front and back with the damage to the internals, but I clicked off of it and can't find it anymore, I'll try to get it

the trials and tribulations of twitter

[grand bough]

@opal vault I can make out "IC". The V82 not really but it's conceivable that it can be so

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1836416548019343573/en

[fierce vessel]

It's V-82 https://x.com/trbrtc/status/1836413966689464537

Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) on X

Based on its appearance and the visible markings, this device seems to be the ICOM IC-V82 model. https://t.co/QVwy22Tx6t

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:36 PM

[hollow marsh]

Preliminary reports of smartphone explosions

[elder apex]

Please post your source

[willow vale]

Solar panels, cell phones, laptops (no photos of this yet), and that fingerprint/entry panel thing... plus two cell phone stores on fire. This is just so bizarre. Iphone one I have the least confidence in because there are a billion photos/videos of people showing off their broken phones that look identical to this. https://t.me/kakhresaneh/73012
https://x.com/BigBreakingWire/status/1836416548426199226 https://t.me/News_24_0_7/140373

[neat vine]

closest i have is someone referring to this as an iphone? but need translation

https://x.com/ashrafnsier/status/1836414465484440045

Arab-Military (@ashrafnsier) on X

انفجار هواتف ذكية من بينها آيفون داخل محل لبيع الهواتف المحمولة في صيدا بحسب تقارير محلية

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:38 PM

[hollow marsh]

X, but no official reports yet...

[elder apex]

Please link the posts

[opal vault]

the search function for "Lebanon" in english and arabic is not working anymore on twitter, anyone else got the same issue?

[proper plaza]

Walkie talkies and pagers makes sense, since those are things hezbollah would likely bulk order.

Reporting of batteries / other devices may be panic

[atomic sequoia]

The time clock is a ZKTeco

[fierce vessel]

These walkie-talkies are rather common devices, maybe some of them ended up in the secondary consumer market? Could be sold at a cell phone store.

[proper plaza]

also, maybe given for repairs?

[hollow marsh]

https://x.com/sujitnewslive/status/1836416984189129103?t=toI3Vkdry7S5k_mxkX0G-w&s=19

Sujit Gupta (@sujitnewslive) on X

Several explosions took place again today in #Lebanon including the capital #Beirut, according to preliminary information, this time radios, radio receivers and smartphones are being exploded.

#Israel #BeirutBlast #Houthis #pagers #PagerExplosions #Hezbollah #Hezbollahpagers

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:48 PM

[grand bough]

It could be that just the battery component is the important part here. All of images we see are without the battery... It's removable and available to buy online separately.

[atomic sequoia]

disregard that I thought I was reading these as analogue only not "digital capable"

[hollow marsh]

https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1836421155021799673?t=7rFgwgqcWNPQ-Sp2E1JvSQ&s=19

Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) on X

Walkie talkie of an emergency responder in Burj Rahhal, southern Lebanon exploded in his house, full of women and children, causing extensive damage. Luckily no one injured. Exclusive reporting on Al Jazeera Arabic

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 3:04 PM

[atomic sequoia]

This is what I was getting at re: the removed battery w/ intact shell
But idk how you would do the detonation without manipulating the device itself

[raven remnant]

Can I get a translation on this video.

Seeing a lot of different claims on what exploded in this video and its all over the place.

https://fixupx.com/ME_Observer_/status/1836416295174070781

[vital stag]

" guys, lithium battery exploded in [ word isn't clear]"

[opal vault]

https://x.com/dwnews/status/1836422096043344033

DW News (@dwnews) on X

UPDATE: Lebanon's health ministry says over 100 people have been wounded in the latest device blasts. At least one of the blasts reportedly occurred during a funeral for those killed a day earlier.
https://t.co/Iwdn3sHM1Z

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 3:08 PM

[hollow marsh]

https://x.com/AlMayadeenLive/status/1836422298133266715?t=1j8dsinnY81x46PVYjTV_g&s=19

Al mayadeen reports

الميادين عاجل (@AlMayadeenLive) on X

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Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 3:09 PM

[opal vault]

praise minerva! I've managed to find the video with the damaged radio. it is in the same post as the funeral explosion video so I'll spoiler it, but it does show a front and back view of the radio which may help with ID
||https://x.com/NikhilCh_/status/1836414674172285007||

[hollow marsh]

Israeli is now attacking? Any other sources?

[paper moat]

The one that intrigues me is:
taken from
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/09/18/israel-hamas-war-gaza-latest-news-hezbollah-pagers-lebanon/
[There's no context as to where it is/what SKU it has].
Is there any indication of any in situ news outlets getting hold of the devices to do any sort of forensic testing as to the devices?

[atomic sequoia]

Now this looks a lot more like a tampered device w/ the explosive at the speaker

[opal vault]

I'm seeing no such reports atm. you're gonna have to post sources mate

[elder apex]

Remember in the immediate aftermath, grifters and excitable people go HAM to get clicks.

[atomic sequoia]

Would you want to be the one doing DFIR/any kind of forensics on a device that could blow up?

[violet briar]

"UN rights chief calls for investigation into blasts"-Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/world/hezbollah-pager-explosions-live-2024-09-17/
https://x.com/UNHumanRights/status/1836414396014223796

UN Human Rights (@UNHumanRights) on X

Widespread pager explosions across #Lebanon & in #Syria yesterday are shocking and their impact on civilians unacceptable.

@volker_turk urges against further widening of current conflicts & calls for those responsible for such an attack to be held to account.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 2:38 PM

[opal vault]

Some stills of the above video, of admittedly not great quality but hopefully useful to someone

[atomic sequoia]

If the devices have been in Lebanon a long time, one of the batteries being dead might lead to a surviving device but I don't think anyone would hand over/accept a device thats technically UXO

[hollow marsh]

Look the al mayadeen source posted

[elder apex]

In a fast moving thread, it helps to use the reply feature so people know what you're talking about

[surreal arch]

depends who wants to work with it

[elder apex]

So this line of questioning about who wants to touch devices doesn't add to the news

[grand bough]

Interesting that the damage is at the top of the front of the radio, pretty much negates the sole battery theory.

[elder apex]

If you have the info Crypto is looking for, post it.

[violet briar]

https://fxtwitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1836413044378706319

(Hopefully embeds correctly)

[opal vault]

my thoughts too, it's on the same side to the aerial as well so it's in the speaker area, I'm trying to find internal schematics

[atomic sequoia]

The overall shape+button+screen layout is what I would say is the ICOM IC-v82, but the text above the screen doesn't look like it says "IC-V82", kinda looks more like a full character instead of the hyphen but it could just be img quality+melted plastic

[opal vault]

assuming this is a IC-V82, here is a video on youtube of someone disassembling one which may help to give a sense of the internal layout and where the explosion may have originated from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0MggslS84

[atomic sequoia]

Taking a look at this image and I can't help but think there could have been a radio resting on top of this box

Look at the plaster/concrete, it has a radio shaped chunk in it at the centre of the spider web

[opal vault]

excellent point, the metal is bent downwards in the direction of an explosion which is indeed consistent with a radio resting on top and exploding. additionally, if it was the reader itself that exploded, the glass nature of its design would mean it would've been severely damaged but it's not, so the metal appears to have shielded it. I agree with this analysis

[violet briar]

I agree with that-Looks like a notable hole/ dent at the bottom.

[atomic sequoia]

The most damning part is the little antenna nub looking thing imo, it's literally radio shaped

[bold onyx]

maybe somebody had a walkie talkie in his hand and put it over the box to use the machine when it exploded?

[violet briar]

Lack of viscera in the area makes me lean towards someone put down something here that later detonated.

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah there's any number of possibilities there, some guy clocking in, time clock fraud, alibi generation etc

But it probably wasn't being held by someone because of the lack of red

[bold onyx]

wouldn't it all proyect backwards* the picture?

[violet briar]

Maybe- Given prior examples, these explosions are almost equal in all directions. Certainly have a "spread" damage pattern here- not what'd you'd typically see with a shape charge. (or any other "direction based" explosive that are in my mind atleast.)

I'd argue a decent level of force went towards where the camera would be.

[grand bough]

This is a great video. Especially this moment when he separates the motherboard from the metal plate. There is definitely space in the region of the top right part of the radio, between the plate and the motherboard components.

[atomic sequoia]

Explosive location within the device matters a lot when it's a charge this small, especially given the (Admittedly light) metal shielding inside these radios.
if the antenna is on the left the speaker is facing away from us

[opal vault]

extremely curious report from The Guardian quoting Lebanese state news, claiming that home solar energy systems have exploded
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/18/middle-east-crisis-live-hezbollah-pager-explosion-lebanon-irael-iran-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66eaf1ce8f08893ca2b39d5d#block-66eaf1ce8f08893ca2b39d5d

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/LebanonJets/status/1836427382162338254/en

[atomic sequoia]

Misinfo around the devices themselves creates plausible deniability for anyone injured being a victim of solar panels Vs being in Hezb.
But because we won't see the intelligence around /who/ the devices were given to, I think this works for them?

[opal vault]

agreed, the entire thing reeks of misinfo

[atomic sequoia]

Fwiw as well, this looks like a metal(however thin) box, and it punched through it

[wide osprey]

From the Guardian live updates; "Pictures of exploded solar panels, finger-print readers and other devices circulated social media, though it was unclear if they blew up by themselves or were simply near walkie-talkies which blew up."

Saw the fingerprint machine posted here, have there been any other device photos found?

[paper moat]

#1164712839206936688 message
Check the link here
Also @opal vault I think there's some circular news reporting[the solar panels are also reported in the telegraph but no sources]

[violet briar]

Getty Images have published 3 photos of one of the detonated pagers.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/photo-taken-on-september-18-in-beiruts-southern-suburbs-news-photo/2171996113
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/photo-taken-on-september-18-in-beiruts-southern-suburbs-news-photo/2171996259
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/photo-taken-on-september-18-in-beiruts-southern-suburbs-news-photo/2171995947

Only embedding one to prevent image spam- all 3 linked.

[opal vault]

appears to be the case, I've been scouring arabic language twitter and there's only stock images of solar panels on fire, not any real ones so no visual evidence thus far

[paper moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIh1eHRu38
AFP has video

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1836434607270436929/en

[violet briar]

Is that the charging cable bundled with the debris? Trying to figure out what in the world that noodle is.

[atomic sequoia]

The ruggedized versions had USB C rechargable batteries, not AAA user-changeable ones like the non-rugged version

[raven remnant]

Kind of looks like the power/eithernet cable to the Fingerprint reader, don't know the specific device to be certain.

[atomic sequoia]

You're talking about 2 different images I believe, but you're both also correct for both images afaik

[raven remnant]

Was talking about the Acedog photo of the fingerprint reader.

[proper plaza]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/18/world/israel-hezbollah-gaza-hamas/b2f7e9f9-f4d3-50f5-a9c6-49cedb571a2d?

Hungary also says it was just a shell company, not actually involved in production

The Hungarian government has distanced the country from reports that a Hungary-based company was involved in the production of the pagers that exploded on Tuesday in Lebanon. In an emailed statement, the government said that “the company in question is a trading intermediary, with no manufacturing or operational site in Hungary. It has one manager registered at its declared address, and the referenced devices have never been in Hungary.”

[violet briar]

Yeah that wire is likely from the scanner- which is notably damaged, but not at the rate i'd expect if it was the source of the detonation

[raven remnant]

Speaking about that scanner, why I think this is the power/Ethernet cord

[atomic sequoia]

What's your opinion on the door being closed when it went off, there's no visible deformation but it's definitely blackened in a similar spot

An ID on the location would be great too just to see where you'd be clocking in with one of those radios nearby

[midnight badger]

And even the pagers was questionable in how focused it was. Feels more akin to a terror attack.

[raven remnant]

I just borrowed Acedog's paint photo and edited it to show the cord hole. But IMO, the door was closed at the time of the detonation. And the Walkie Talkie was on top of the box. You can see some black charing from the top of the door which cauhgt the soot and debris in the area underneath the scanner.

[opal vault]

Gallant's words are not exactly reassuring
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1836436378394988841

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says Israel's focus has moved to the northern front as a "new phase" of the war is beginning.

"The center of gravity is shifting to the north, by diverting resources and forces [there]. We are at the onset of a new phase in the war, it requires

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 4:05 PM

[vital stag]

regarding the solar panels,
i found these article talks about a Israeli radio devices hidden in solar energy systems were found in Syria,
inside a shipment last April 2024 through the port of Latakia and the Masnaa border crossing with Lebanon.
https://www.syria.tv/268543
https://damascusv.com/archives/61426

[paper moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEe3Fmy_-WU
large number of miltiary outside one the lebansese hospitals
Livestream is at the American univrisyt hospital at beirut

[opal vault]

I'm seeing increasing discussion over the solar panel explosions but I'm still yet to find any visual evidence to support these claims so far, if anyone has any idea where to look that'd be much appreciated

[violet briar]

**Closer angle of the same blast- **Someone behind the guy dressed in red moves his arm just before the blast

I suspect it's the dude who's leaning over the barricade, or the dude who he (might be) greeting(?) Very weird arm movement.

||https://x.com/Intel_Slava/status/1836419269447364978||

Images just before blast- both highlighted personnel suffered injuries of some degree, with the guy leaning over the barricade clutching his arm- guy in red seems to have collapsed/ fallen.

Also trust me when I say it's easier to "verify" the movement and vague shapes of people in video form over photo form,

[opal vault]

for reference this is the sole image that is being attached to quite literally every post about solar panel detonations and it's clearly a stock/photoshop

[paper moat]

Yeah I've just checked the AFP image "exchange" and there's nothing.
https://www.afpforum.com/AFPForum/Search/Results.aspx?pn=1&smd=8&mui=3&q=891501648131040022_0&fst=beirut&fto=3&t=2&cck=a1aff2#pn=1&smd=8&mui=3&q=891501648131040022_0&fst=beirut&fto=3&t=2&cck=a1aff2
[Searched for Beirut but just generically searching for lebanon seems to bring up no images of solar, of course there's telegram etc.]

[opal vault]

annoyingly it is getting quite a lot of traction on twitter, even leaking onto the western defence sphere of twitter weirdly enough where it's being accepted at face value

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/Aly_jezzini/status/1836427066557837730/en ( journalist at al mayadeen)

[paper moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEe3Fmy_-WU
Live explosion[I'll get the clip]

https://youtu.be/TEe3Fmy_-WU?t=7423s | 2024-09-18 | ~16:33:38 UTC+0 | Reuters[just before the car alarm no idea what it is[controlled detonation maybe?]

[vital stag]

https://x.com/raminho/status/1836437278152904844?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A

Rami Ayari (@Raminho) on X

Diplomats say the #UNSC will convene an urgent meeting on Friday afternoon regarding pager attacks in #Lebanon. Meeting requested by @AlgeriaUN . Still unclear whether it will be open or held as closed consultations.

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 4:09 PM

[paper moat]

carbomb?/mine?

[atomic sequoia]

Suspiciously square

[proper plaza]

What is that supposed to be? It’s clearly cut into the ground

[paper moat]

probably a controlled det of suspicions items?

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah good shout, it looks like there's some utilities frayed off on the left side though, which would mean they just backhoe'd a hole in the ground wherever they could

[paper moat]

this is what they were blowing up:

[atomic sequoia]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/how-did-hezbollah-get-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon

[proper plaza]

I’d love to know who those “experts” are

[wide osprey]

I've seen it overlayed with a Telegram channel, Warlife3 but it's Arabic-language. There's current photos but that solar image one isn't present

https://x.com/Israel2252/status/1836434825940500770 Noting that there's AI imagery being used on X regarding the situation

Uri Israel (@Israel2252) on X

Round 3!

Solar panels reportedly exploding in Lebanon 🇱🇧

@LadyLevant822 this you?

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 3:59 PM

[vital stag]

the PCB Board looks too clean, likely the battery it is replaceable

[atomic sequoia]

The peeling upwards implies the explosion happened under the metal shielding, which would be inside the device and consistent with the other images of explosions coming from the speaker grille

[violet briar]

The **pager **debris (seen in Getty Images/ AFP footage) has a motherboard that's snapped in half, for additional clarification on the other detonation method (Could just be from the more "compact" method of concealment)

[violet briar]

^ Referring to here

[atomic sequoia]

I think even with the user serviceable components at the internal bottom rear shielding the devices would be fully stripped to get an explosive in the grille area(i.e hold speaker to ear when you hear a squelch)

[paper moat]

All from the AFP forum

[atomic sequoia]

Looks to be a cubby/hide with the faceplate on the ground? Up against the table

[proper plaza]

Removing the battery is likely still to prevent explosion, as the device can’t receive the detonation code (if there’s no secondary power source)

[violet briar]

There are images from Getty images (Will edit to include them here!) showing people removing batteries from their walkie talkies.

Edit: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/man-holds-a-walkie-talkie-device-after-he-removed-the-news-photo/2172015705?adppopup=true

[paper moat]

I think it was on the table next to:

[atomic sequoia]

(not sure on this) but I think the schematic for this radio could potentially allow for a strong enough RX signal to backfeed and power it

[atomic sequoia]

But that's like not feasible at this scale afaik(unless there's like ELINT planes dumping lots of watts at the ground)

[proper plaza]

Receiving signals costs power.
Almost as expensive as transmitting.

The sender would need to be very powerful and very close by (unlikely imo)

[violet briar]

Much easier to just take a pager/ walkie and use it on the ground with one insider. Again- they had to get their hands on it to physically plant explosives in them- they can just take one for personal use. (First wave had the pagers be the trigger, the concealment, and the payload all in one package, brutally efficent.)

[vital stag]

there was reports of sonic bomb(made by jets few minutes) in beiurt and south leb before the explosions started

[proper plaza]

Something sent a signal, I’d be curious how (they seem to have good coverage, hitting even syria?) I’m just arguing against stuff getting signals without battery power

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah I agree for detonation propagation, I'm assuming Israel had access to the one of the many nationwide POCSAG/Flex networks or Hezb's internal Telco. Just suggesting that non-powered devices might still be on call

[wide osprey]

I did see a tweet with a video claiming a plane but have not verified authenticity; https://x.com/BloomBloom313/status/1836452871757508775

bloom 🇮🇷🇵🇸 (@BloomBloom313) on X

🚨🇱🇧 A large aircraft at high altitude over Lebanon and the southern suburbs is suspected of emitting unknown signals that have triggered explosions in devices, cars, and batteries…

#Lebanon
#Pager

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 5:10 PM

[violet briar]

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/drone-hovers-in-the-sky-during-the-funeral-of-persons-news-photo/2172017346?adppopup=true

A drone was seen by ANWAR AMRO- the photographer who's on the scene supplying photos for Getty Images.

This could be the mystery source

[atomic sequoia]

Eitan?

[proper plaza]

Anything high up in the air would have been a great source for the signal, would have had far reaching coverage.

[grizzled zephyr]

doesnt seem like it, twin boom is very noticeable

these two fairings i think are going to be the smoking gun in getting the ID, it seems like they are some kind of pod

could also be a hezbollah/irgc drone too

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah that's the thing that was doing me in, thinking they were the front struts/fairings or whatever

[grizzled zephyr]

the hermes 900 does track in shape but doesnt have the front facing pods

its a bit of a crapshoot because it seems like it uses the somewhat widespread predator/reaper body type down to the v tail in the back

[atomic sequoia]

Fwiw Elbit do make their own COMINT/EW pods for these drones

[grizzled zephyr]

I think if it's an Israeli drone it would be a Hermes-series (probably a 900 due to range limitations)

Trying to see if it could be any Iranian drones now

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/MTVLebanonNews/status/1836455178326749381/en

[wide osprey]

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/hezbollah-downs-israeli-hermes-type-drone-violating-lebanese

This old article shows a Hermes 450 from below, profile looks very similar

Based on the similarity I'd say it's either Hermes 450 or 900

[grizzled zephyr]

Seems like it's a match - think it's 900 due to range limitations

[wide osprey]

The 900 also has more square wing-tips as opposed to tapered, the plane in question appears to have squared tips

[grizzled zephyr]

At 200km range flying out of Tel Aviv where they're based they'd be at the extreme

[vital stag]

it aligns to what happened in reuters live in Beirut
but seems Lebanese army doing same in east Lebanon
https://fxtwitter.com/AlakhbarNews/status/1836451883503780335/en

[vital stag]

https://x.com/TwistyCB/status/1836422909989904798

Twist (@TwistyCB) on X

Fire at a cellphone store in Sidon, Lebanon after a communications device reportedly exploded.
📍33.562424, 35.379328
@GeoConfirmed

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 3:11 PM

[opal vault]

I wonder, considering how quickly the situation is moving, whether we should make a new thread?

[pure pelican]

https://vxtwitter.com/BashaReport/status/1836451867749961932

[dense wren]

Friend of the family lost his arm and eye, kid is as far from hezballah as it gets

walkie talkie blew up

also hearing reports of solar panel equipment blowing up, laptops, laptop parts and phone parts

mostly in Shia and Hezballah areas, but the victims are obviously not limited to hezballah memembers

[opal vault]

I’m sorry about your family friend. I’m still not seeing much in the way of supporting evidence for the solar panels claim, nor about mobile phones and laptops. It’s really odd to me that the solar panels claim is being propagated really rapidly above all others despite the dearth of evidence

I’m seeing it a lot on twitter and especially in western circles

[digital oak]

safe to assume any number of these targeted devices would have been re-sold since getting to their first initial owners

[wide osprey]

https://t.me/Warlife3/89184

UNCONFIRMED

Google translate; Merkava IV tanks of the 98th Division on the border with Lebanon

[atomic sequoia]

I think the consensus in here is that the explosion here is outside of the wallbox, probably from a radio resting on top

[opal vault]

That tracks with announcements made by the IDF earlier
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1836331751888576718?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

This was well over 24hrs ago so it’s probably taken some time for the division to move into position

[wide osprey]

Screengrabs of the tanks

[atomic sequoia]

Wasn't there like self activation/mobilization of some units before this too?
As in, not ordered by higher command

[opal vault]

Ok hold up actually I’m a little suspicious now of the tanks because… the 98th division as far as I can tell doesn’t operate tanks. It’s a parachute division focused on light infantry operations

The only counter I can think of is that during the scope of the entire war a lot of the brigades within divisions have been moved around and so it’s possible that an armoured brigade from a different division has been attached but we have no reliable info on current ORBATs

[wide osprey]

Important to note that Warlife3 has had their watermark attributed to some of the stock solar panel photos floating around on Twitter. I don't see these photos on their Telegram however, so I'm not sure how to feel about source authenticity

[vital stag]

likely warlife3 is getting reports from isreali tg channels
https://t.me/newsil_tme/131122

[opal vault]

Yeah look I’m not confident that these tanks specifically are from the 98th, we know the 98th is being moved into position but unless the ORBATs have been significantly altered (which is entirely possible), these tanks may not be of that division

This video has a comprehensive guide on how to identify which unit a Merkava came from by tactical markings, I’m taking a look at them to try and make em out but quality isn’t great
https://youtu.be/Rr2qaKt-P3I?si=zBssEvJimnY_iiZV

[opal vault]

Ok so, according to battleorder (which is far and away the most reputable source on this stuff), the symbols of active duty tank brigades are listed on the rear and front mud flaps and have these designs per brigade

Does anyone else think this looks like a star?

[wide osprey]

Better image of left-back decal

[opal vault]

This looks like it’s from the 188th “Barak (Lightning)” Armoured Brigade which is usually subordinated to the 36th division

[atomic sequoia]

3Ξ would be 36 right

[opal vault]

The 36th Division is part of the northern command and is permanently stationed at the Lebanese border

[opal vault]

According to BattleOrder, that symbol indicates this is a tank of the 3rd platoon of the 3rd company

[atomic sequoia]

Ahhh, I assume Xi has no meaning in Hebrew

[wide osprey]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/amid-heightened-tensions-with-hezbollah-idf-deploys-98th-division-to-northern-israel/

98th joining up with 36th reportedly

[opal vault]

Frustratingly I can’t make out if the cannon barrel has rings which would allow us to determine which battalion

However the lone “4” on the flap that hangs off the back of the turret indicates this is a HQ tank

So we can determine that this tank is the HQ tank of 3rd platoon, 3rd company, unknown battalion, 188th brigade, 36th division

[atomic sequoia]

Are they like painted bands and does the colour mean anything? The battle order vid just shows a single one in a graphic unfortunately
I can count maybe 2/3 orange, painted bands on the 2nd screengrab but that's definitely not confirmable

[opal vault]

The number of rings corresponds directly to battalion number, I think they look orange because the street light above is very orange, they are supposed to be white

I also genuinely can’t tell the difference between the raised bumps on the barrel and any rings

[paper moat]

The AFP updated their exchange with some images of the event

[Whats not clear to me is whether the device was something previously seen or something new

[wide osprey]

Clearest I can get

[paper moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUmO9UIFU_0
AP:white house briefing

[atomic sequoia]

Is that like, a sandbag placed over top? Or devices put in the sandbag

I think what's happened there is there was a hole already dug that they decided would be fine to contain the blast if they covered it with dirt?

[drifting trout]

Looks like it. Two reused rice bags and a traditional sandbag. It's pretty standard to use sandbags over explosives like that to mitigate effects

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah, I was mostly confused about the uniformity of the hole when I first saw that pic earlier and there was no clear definition on if there were devices in there or not

Just struck me as a bad idea to maybe dig up a street, hit cabling and then maybe throw a few bombs potentially on a gas line or something

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1836530441265819967

[crystal raven]

Can you find out where he got that walkie-talkie and the battery from? If he got it new or used?

I got the suspicion, that some hezbollah member went to mobile phone stores to get their low capacity/ high explosive batteries replaced. The store switched out the cells with some new one with the correct capacity but held onto the ones that were tampered with as except for the capacity, they were otherwise fine. Thus some of the bombs ended up in the pile of old batteries, burning down the shops and some were sold further to unsuspecting customers.

[atomic sequoia]

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/hezbollah-exploding-pagers-firm-hacked-last-year-3283547

Source on this hack is public infostealer logs as far as I can figure out, https://www.hudsonrock.com/search?domain=gapollo.com.tw

[violet briar]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/world/middleeast/israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb&ngrp=mnp&cbgrp=p&pvid=C487C870-2894-4678-A28F-8697DEF1AA12

[violet briar]

Claims that the Hungary middleman company was surprise a shell company operated by Israel.

They just introduced a problem, and sold them a cheap (bomb-filled) fix.

[analog hazel]

Do we have confirmation of how many civilians died?

[limpid zenith]

The claim that an Apollo decive that literally has a manual on their wesbite wasn't manufacturered by Apollo is kinda absurb. Could you provide the name of the breach at least or the beachforums listing? There's parts of this that aren't convincing so I think it'd be helpful to have a secondary source. Is BAC consulting a verified shell? Do we have some indicatians of that?

[atomic sequoia]

This breach wouldn't have a name, that log would probably only be in a single telegram channel posted by an infostealer operator.

[limpid zenith]

I see BBC articles that attribute the situation to BAC consulting

[atomic sequoia]

Check the NYT article here

[limpid zenith]

But have we dug up a Hungarian registration

[grizzled zephyr]

https://archive.is/BEcyH I'm going over wikipedia and they are quoting this source (Al-Modon) that the devices were shipped through Iran

If so, it raises the possibility they were altered in transit rather than before shipping (similar method to how cartels have been shipping cocaine to Europe, see diagram)

[vagrant cove]

On BAC, I see a few possibilities:

• BAC is legit, Israel just modified/replaced the pagers in transit

• Same, but BAC was operating as a cutout to help Hezbollah dodge surveillance/sanctions. Fits with Apollo saying they got a weird transaction from the Middle East (I don't see Mossad messing that up). Also fits the CEOs not-complete-denial when the one journalist reached her yesterday ("I don’t make the pagers. I am just the intermediate. I think you got it wrong.")

• Identity theft: BAC was always just a one-woman policy consultancy operation, maybe a dormant one. Israel ran everything on the side and took care that the real BAC never noticed

• Completely a front. Fits with the BBC not finding much support for the CEOs background (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cew12r5qe1ro). Must have been a long operation -- but not necessarily with this whole plan from the start. Presumably being involved in that business also opened up less dramatic options for tampering.

[brittle tree]

Hi, please don't share or solicit sharing of breach data here. Linking to large media outlets reporting on a breach is fine, however.

[atomic sequoia]

Final option seems most likely to me, there's also the possibility she was directly contracted by mossad to act as a middleman without realising.
CAB as a person seems too good to be true IMO

[echo citrus]

The solar panel explosion is credible to me.
We saw piles of discarded batteries setting fire to whole electronic stores, solar panels are often connected to recycled car batteries when they reach their end of life.
It isnt absurd to imagine a pile of small discarded batteries assembled into a makeshift energy reserve in a solar panel in Lebanon.

[grizzled zephyr]

But wasn't procurement done recently? Doesn't seem like there would be discarded batteries that soon into the product lifecycle

[atomic sequoia]

Procurement for the pagers has been mentioned by "sources" as Feb this year for seizure iirc. But nothing about radios or solar gear
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/how-did-hezbollah-get-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon

[vagrant cove]

maybe the battery life isn't so good when the thing is part explosive? so they got swapped out faster?

[atomic sequoia]

Isn't the Occam's razor here that the electronics stores were used as distribution points for the radios, employees had radios or someone had sold their explosive impregnated radio second hand

I don't think I've seen a photo of a destroyed inverter or any other kind of solar gear that would have been the initiation point for an explosion/fire

[atomic sequoia]

I can't seem to find this Iranian "Telerim" firm that supposedly imported them to Lebanon

[vital stag]

seems there's another front company Norta Global (registered in Bulgaria, and operated by an individual from Norway)
https://telex.hu/english/2024/09/18/the-pagers-were-sold-to-hezbollah-by-a-bulgarian-company-the-hungarian-company-was-only-used-on-paper

[fair heart]

Comment from icom https://www.icom.co.jp/news/8108/

[vagrant cove]

so far the only link to norta global is telex's sources, right? though the reporter seems respected, I can imagine him getting somebody to talk with him from the Hungarian authorities, or even from within BAC

[atomic sequoia]

norta(.)no seems to be their domain

https://web.archive.org/web/20180307004229/http://norta.no/ last accessible archive I can find rm

If https://www.linkedin.com/company/nortalink this company page is anything to go off atleast(the Norwegian citizen's account links to this rather than "NortaGlobal LTD" which seems to be a Bulgarian subsidiary

[fringe panther]

No details on how they know it was being sold to Hezbollah directly

[atomic sequoia]

Has there been a raid or arrest on the Hungarian company/director? I can't think of any way "sources" would know that detail without first having internal BAC documents or bank records?
I've seen 'investigating' but nothing concrete about if it was police/hu intelligence

[fringe panther]

I mean as opposed to any other entity in Lebanon getting it - there are completely prosaic uses of pagers also (health care - which many people have already mentioned)

[atomic sequoia]

One of the things I thought about also, was how quick the "no pagers even touched Hungary" statement was made

[fringe panther]

That may just be based on knowledge of manufacturing capabilities

[dense wren]

not to mention how expensive cellular communication in lebanon is, how unreliable it is, and how severe power shortage is in the country

pagers and walkie talkies arent that unheard of

[fringe panther]

ISTR there are around 2m in use in the US (as of 2024)

[pure pelican]

From infosec security researcher Kevin Beaumont:

https://doublepulsar.com/hacker-group-handala-hack-team-claim-battery-explosions-linked-to-israeli-battery-company-5bea086280cd

A pro-Palestine hactivist group has posted on their Tor site that an Israeli company in Nahariya was involved in the pager/device operation.

[atomic sequoia]

So the NYT article that I think has good sources mentions another 3rd Front Company since unnamed

[pure pelican]

Beamount updated his article to report that Handala has started dumping data on Telegram.

[atomic sequoia]

Questioning the veracity of the IIB<>8200/mossad link because it was sold last year https://www.the-sunlight-group.com/en/global/articles/sunlight-group-establishes-strong-presence-in-israel-and-mena-region-via-the-acqu/ to an established greek power system group. This would be mossad potentially angering 3/4 whole countries it shouldn't have beef with at this point

[pure pelican]

That's a good catch regarding the sale, but Mossad has risked potentially angering countries it doesn't have a beef with before. The assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh being one example that comes to mind.

[atomic sequoia]

Agree, and they're feral enough to just go into the factory to replace units, but I don't see why all these fronts would be needed if the vidisco thing is true(which it very well could be)

Also, NYT source was explicitly mentioning front companies, not established ones

[fringe panther]

https://fixupx.com/AssedBaig/status/1836701850059309098

[crystal raven]

Such a pager can be build completely with off the shelf components. The injection molded case is likely the only custom part. Hungary would only know whether the pagers were produced in their country if they were in on the plan - which I rather doubt.
So I would go with primarily deflection and possibly the educated guess, that this won't be the last shell company in the chain.

[fringe panther]

Well if it had been exported or imported there would be paperwork that would cover either step that could be looked at.

[atomic sequoia]

Hungarian authorities would know based on in/outgoings of the firm, registered biz addresses, manufacturing locations/equipment purchases, import/export licenses etc
But the fact it was so fast indicates either all of this came up empty, deflection while they investigate or they've been informed of the case by mossad idk

[hidden finch]

Nasrallah referring to the Israeli attack as "an act of war"

"A declaration of war, an act of war" for the second time

[proper plaza]

My guess is that Hungarian authorities interviewed the owner of BAC.

BACs owner has reported that it was just an intermediary, and it would make sense to use BAC as a front to obscure who is actually producing the pagers

[fringe panther]

It's also just how supply chains work.

[hollow marsh]

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1836769873042538964 IDF: The IDF is currently striking Hezbollah targets in Lebanon to degrade Hezbollah’s terrorist capabilities and infrastructure.

For decades, Hezbollah has weaponized civilian homes, dug tunnels beneath them and used civilians as human shields—having turned southern Lebanon into a war zone.

The IDF is operating to bring security to northern Israel in order to enable the return of residents to their homes and achieve war goals.

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) on X

⭕️The IDF is currently striking Hezbollah targets in Lebanon to degrade Hezbollah’s terrorist capabilities and infrastructure.

For decades, Hezbollah has weaponized civilian homes, dug tunnels beneath them and used civilians as human shields—having turned southern Lebanon into

Twitter · Sep 19, 2024, 2:10 PM

[vagrant cove]

maybe, but it's easy to imagine situations where that isn't the case (e.g. transit via another EU country, hiring another company for manufacture/import, or straight-up lying on paperwork). Seems more likely that they started at the same point the rest of us did (it's a tiny company that nobody had heard of), added a layer along the lines of "we don't have any import/manufacturing permits under that name", and reached a conclusion that's maybe correct but not fully justified

[atomic sequoia]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-looking-exploding-pager-firm-boss-did-advisory-work-us-hezbollah/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew12r5qe1ro

Based on these 2 articles(regarding the director of the firm's work history seemingly being fictitious) im still heavily suspicious of it

[pure pelican]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/09/19/companies/japan-walkie-talkie-lebanon-blasts/

[atomic sequoia]

RE: board status, her linkedin features a link to /board-members2018 when the real link is just /board-members, there's no archives for the 2018 link, but she doesn't appear on the site as far as I'm aware

[atomic sequoia]

This is also a heavily 3rd party cloned radio fwiw

[pure pelican]

Post by Mohammed al-Bukhaiti, a senior political official and spokesman for Yemen's Houthi militants, regarding Starlink providing service:

https://vxtwitter.com/M_N_Albukhaiti/status/1836495327068819947

[Google Translate]

The US Embassy’s announcement of the start of operating satellite internet in Yemen via Starlink confirms the relationship between this step and the war waged by America on Yemen, which threatens to expand the scope of the conflict to include outer space orbits for the first time in history.

[vocal jetty]

Is anyone in this telegram group where they purport to be dumping data?

[atomic sequoia]

They put out a statement on their breachforums account that is just a clone of that post.
Data possibly posted for each company, unk size + contents

[atomic sequoia]

DMed you the source

[vocal jetty]

thank you!

[analog frost]

Not sharing it here, but for any journalists digging into this data please dm me privately if you need help opening the 3D models. I've only seen some of the data from Vidisco so far but it's mostly Autodesk Inventor parts (.ipt) and assembly model (.iam) files.

[neat vine]

Some analysis on the legal situation regarding the exploding device action https://lieber.westpoint.edu/exploding-pagers-law/

[dense wren]

https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-hand-manufacturing-pagers-exploded-lebanon-source/story?id=113851347

[opal vault]

has anyone got any further information on the solar panels claim? it's still being repeated at length and I'm not seeing anything yet. it's being a weirdly resilient misinfo claim amongst the rest of the misinfo around the attacks

[stone stratus]

Idk if I've missed something but what makes you say it's definitely misinfo ? Original source is the national news agency of Lebanon, here the Guardian reports it with them as a source, and they report pictures circulating on social media (though I know some of the circulated pictures appeared unreliable) https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/18/middle-east-crisis-live-hezbollah-pager-explosion-lebanon-irael-iran-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66eaf1ce8f08893ca2b39d5d#block-66eaf1ce8f08893ca2b39d5d

Pictures of exploded solar panels, fingerprint readers and other devices circulated through social media, though it was unclear if they blew up by themselves or were simply near walkie-talkies which blew up.

[opal vault]

the issue is the total dearth of any visual evidence, we've seen extensive visual evidence of pagers and walkie talkies being detonated but not anything else, additionally the guardian article points out that it's unclear if said "other devices" blew up by themselves or were simply near exploding walkie talkies. additionally, people on this thread have already conclusively proven that at least one of those devices, the fingerprint reader, was not rigged to explode, but a device resting on top of it did. on the balance of what I've seen and the lack of verifiable evidence, it's clear to me the solar panel claim is misinfo, but if anyone has other evidence on the topic that'd be very helpful

[stone stratus]

oh so the claim you're saying is misinfo is specifically "solar panels were rigged to blow up" and not "solar panels blew up"

[opal vault]

both tbh, but it's the "rigged to blow up" that's being perpetuated quite widely with the implication being that civilian solar panels had been used as IEDs. I have no doubt that some solar panels somewhere may have been damaged in some way (though even this evidence is not forthcoming), but it's altogether a different claim to say that the panels had been deliberately tampered with explosives, which is what is being repeated

[stone stratus]

I would tend to consider the Lebanon based correspondent for the guardian to be a reliable source though it's true I've just had a decent look for photos and I can't find any (that aren't fake)

[opal vault]

Usually yes it’s a good source and I would be inclined to believe them, but this claim is getting my goat above the others because of how often it’s being repeated. Even though misinformation works in mysterious ways, it’s always at the back of my mind that if a claim is getting wild propagation there may be some truth behind it, but I guess claims really don’t need any evidence basis to reach extremely far. The whole Haitian cats and dogs rubbish proved that, but that’s a discussion for #open-source-general

[silent hamlet]

Would there be value in that specific piece of misinformation to be pushed by certain groups?

[opal vault]

Certainly, the objective is likely to try and create doubt as to whether Israel is targeting strictly Hezbollah devices or civilian devices more broadly

[stone stratus]

Well the original reporting comes from the national news agency of Lebanon, I've back searched their site using google translate and they repeatedly mention the reports in articles see here : https://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/ar/latest/filter?keyword=الألواح+الشمسية

[silent hamlet]

Is it plausible that Israel would have agents embeded tbere?

[opal vault]

I would have no idea, that’s in the realm of speculation

[silent hamlet]

True, my apologies

[paper moat]

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1427662/did-solar-power-energy-systems-explode-during-wednesdays-attack.html
Best testomony I've found on the subject

[atomic sequoia]

The perfectly logical explanation that people may have been charging their radios near the solar panel still stands as we saw with the timeclock that probably didn't explode

#1164712839206936688 message
This is the only (historical) thing I've seen re: Israeli tampering with solar panels

[fringe panther]

https://x.com/qatarairways/status/1836782990715666674

Qatar Airways (@qatarairways) on X

Effective immediately: Following the directive received from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation of the Republic of Lebanon, all passengers flying from Beirut Rafic Harirl International Airport (BEY) are prohibited from carrying pagers and walkie-talkies on board flights.

Twitter · Sep 19, 2024, 3:02 PM

[paper moat]

https://youtu.be/bqu97BI36kw?t=26834s | 2024-09-20 | ~16:08 UTC+0 | The Independent Strike in Beirut[ Sadly we've come full circle it would seem]

[hot elbow]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/hezbollah-israel-conflict-hezbollah-launches-140-rockets-toward-northern-israel-a-day-after-deadly-pager-blasts-in-lebanon/articleshow/113527180.cms

[grizzled zephyr]

https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1837116069573488989

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) on X

Lebanese media outlets claim a Hezbollah figure may have been the target of the #Israeli attack

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 1:06 PM

[opal vault]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1837120629721415698

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The target of the Israeli airstrike in Beirut was Ibrahim Aqil, security sources tell Israeli media.

Aqil sits on the Jihad Council, Hezbollah's top military body.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 1:24 PM

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1837116722391797874

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

More images reportedly from the scene of the IDF strike in Beirut.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 1:08 PM

[hollow marsh]

Check al jazeera mubasher live footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eksOMqVMINo

[midnight badger]

https://x.com/lalarian/status/1837138425352208431

Lama Al-Arian (@lalarian) on X

Lebanon’s health ministry says eight people have been killed and 59 injured so far on Israel’s strike on Beirut. This death toll include several children.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 2:35 PM

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1837140242089853420?t=XqT0_G1-4ZXmNVr5L_OlIQ&s=19

Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) on X

🚨An Israeli official told me Israel has reached the conclusion that it won’t be able to get a diplomatic solution to the situation on the northern border without going through a military escalation. “This is why we have been gradually taking our gloves off and increasing our

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 2:42 PM

[timid bane]

Worked in manufacturing as an engineer my whole life. This is all just my educated guess. The pagers that blew up are Gold Apollo pagers. What happened was a separate shell company (not BAC, not NortaLink) bought the pagers from Gold Apollo. BAC, NortaLink, etc. were setup to manufacture under license the pager, but if intelligence sources wanted to do this, the easiest way to do this is to take authentic Gold Apollo pagers, open them up, manipulate them, then close them back up. That was "the manufacturing" of the NortaLink/other shell pagers sold to Hezbollah. If there were real manufacturing facilities, there would be records regarding raw material, machining, electrical, personnel, overhead, shipments, etc. that would give much more of a footprint to the 2nd factory operation that the people that ran it probably didn't want. So the blown up pagers started life as Gold Apollos.

[grizzled zephyr]

https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1837146277194183073

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) on X

Sky News Arabia claims the strike also led to the death of Mohammed Reza (referring to Brig. Gen. Mohammad Reza Fallahzadeh) the deputy commander of #Iran's Quds Force.

If so this is an even bigger escalation

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 3:06 PM

[hollow marsh]

https://x.com/mayadeenlebanon/status/1837148926668849237?t=6OmLZWkiybVXzpIJZEKEYQ&s=19

الميادين لبنان (@mayadeenlebanon) on X

"ليس هناك إمكانية لـ"إسرائيل" بشن هجوم بري على لبنان."

محلل #الميادين للشؤون السياسية والدولية قاسم عز الدين

#لبنان
#الميادين_لبنان

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 3:16 PM

[lone plover]

Also the company in Hungary comprises one person, the CEO [insert name here she's unknown and her online presence is too naive for it to be not at least bordering doxxing, but it's out there]. From the fact that she posted Pro-Russian (she actually calls the Ukranian government a Nazi regime... her LinkedIn profile is still up, by the way...) and anti-"US colonialism" posts on her LinkedIn profile, I'd say that if her company actually sold the pagers, she didn't know that she was working for Mossad. She seems like the perfect person to pick, though.

They needed a person that would not be suspicious the Hezbollah, but that could also be worked with without risking the operation. I don't want to seem mean but the COVID and politics related posts on her LinkedIn page don't suggest she was the brightest of her class or at least I could imagine that agent handlers know how to work that kind of personality type...

[pure pelican]

Crossposted in #infosec and #latest-research

published: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/09/20/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-exploding-pagers/?

to Foeke, Logan, and Jake. That's quite the turnaround to get that out under time pressure.

[proper plaza]

Good research

[pure pelican]

Under quite the time crunch, bravo to all involved in the research, writing, and editing

[acoustic bane]

!!!!!!

[hollow marsh]

Good piece of research there

[native citrus]

That another Erik, mentioned in the investigation, can be found on linkedin and other social media. I have no reason to assume that he has any relation to BAC [except that someone copied his biography to create Eric Hansen].

[elder apex]

Hey all, just a reminder that to stay in compliance with the discord TOS, we have to be very careful about posting profiles/accounts of people (generally, don't). If you believe you have something relevant to an investigation please DM @limpid harness and we will get that to staff.

[modern salmon]

That was interesting reading. Eric Hansen is basically one of the most generic names available in Denmark (part danish here). Feels very off.

[vivid swan]

https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/113171242558757442

[thin horizon]

https://apnews.com/article/un-lebanon-explosions-pagers-international-law-rights-9059b1c1af5da062fa214a1d5a3d7454

[vital stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/LebanonJets/status/1837513918094164314

likely it is Hermes 900

[green wedge]

agentic system was used, 4 LLM agents working together

[drifting trout]

Do you have a link that isn't a download file?

[atomic sequoia]

This has completely fictional information in it.
Did you even read it?

[elder apex]

Hi there, I'm going to remove this file because we generally don't want people uploading files to the Discord, as we don't know what they contain. Unfortunately it looks like this will also delete the text of your post. Please feel free to repost with information that doesn't require a file download

[paper moat]

Whatever pyro is over the lebanese border at the moment is super bright
Pretty sure its not the moon, its so bright

[brittle tree]

Some additional content advice: We generally consider LLM-generated content to be below the level of quality we strive towards here.

[opal vault]

There’s been almost constant, rolling airstrikes across the border and actually quite deep into Lebanon
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1837540012633514395?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF's widespread airstrikes in Lebanon this evening come after the military identified Hezbollah preparations to launch major rocket attacks.

The strikes are targeting Hezbollah rocket launchers and other sites.

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 5:10 PM

[paper moat]

All the livestreams I've found are from the israeli side facing towards lebanon.
yeah you can hear the jets as they fly over

[crystal raven]

pretty sure, that's the moon. The clouds are lit from behind.

[paper moat]

Yeah, I think its just the brightness of it that confusing me

[paper moat]

https://youtu.be/R9_XbrIsg-U?t=36059s | 2024-09-21 | ~01:10:29 UTC+0 | The Sun strike/artillery not sure of direction [6 in total]

[hollow marsh]

Any confirmed details about this? https://x.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1837565966500483216?t=hQO0UbQrEjfGt7W_-liS2Q&s=19

Douglas Macgregor (@DougAMacgregor) on X

BREAKING: Lebanon hit with massive bomb, one of the largest Israel has ever sent.

Developing.

Shockwave felt many many miles away..

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 6:54 PM

[charred echo]

5000lb? That was pretty huge

[crystal raven]

That's a bit too large and too much fireball for just a bomb. More likely, what we are seeing is the explosion of an ammo dump that was targeted in the airstrike.
Also, Douglas MacGregor is a person no one should listen to. He is well known for being a Russian propaganda and far right conspiracy theories spouting bullshit peddler.

[neat vine]

https://fixupx.com/RamAbdu/status/1837483041360695761?

[silent hamlet]

We just had a super full moon, that's why it was so bright

[fringe panther]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-spies-behind-hungarian-firm-that-was-linked-to-exploding-pagers-report/

[atomic sequoia]

Has there been a mention of this 3rd Front company?

[fringe panther]

I think some of the prior reports linked here have mentioned Norta Goobal.

[atomic sequoia]

BAC Consulting in .hu
Norta Global in .bg
? In .bg
There's supposedly a 3rd Bulgarian firm that hasn't been named

The reporting out of Taiwan is quite interesting right now, from what I can gather a mysterious guy called "Tom" was mistakenly mentioned by the owner of gold Apollo in his initial interview.
Tom(from BAC) poached an employee to open up Apollo Systems HK

https://tw.news.yahoo.com/全力查黎巴嫩呼叫器爆炸案-士檢-迄今未發現國人涉及-不用過度臆測-142447834.html

[midnight badger]

https://x.com/kenklippenstein/status/1838001378121163053

Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) on X

Former CIA Director Leon Panetta calls Israel's explosive pager operation "terrorism" in an interview with CBS today:

"I don't think there's any question it's a form of terrorism."

"When you have terror going into the supply chain, it makes people ask the question: what the

Twitter · Sep 22, 2024, 11:44 PM

[opal vault]

IDF now advising lebanese civilians to evacuate before imminent airstrikes
https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1838120521436672011

افيخاي ادرعي (@AvichayAdraee) on X

#عاجل ‼️ سكان القرى اللبنانية: الغارات ستبدأ على المدى الزمني الوشيك - اخلوا البيوت التي اخبئ فيها #حزب_الله الأسلحة فورًا! حزب الله يكذب عليكم ويضحي فيكم. حزب الله يقول إنكم بيئته وأنكم جمهوره لكن يبدو أن صواريخه ومسيراته أغلى وأهم بالنسبة له منكم.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 7:37 AM

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838149842817671415

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Since this morning, the Israeli Air Force has struck more than 300 Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, the IDF says.

Alongside the update, the army publishes an image of Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi approving the wave of airstrikes from the military's underground command room

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 9:34 AM

[gaunt turtle]

Hi, anyone looking further into Nortaglobal/ Nortalink?

[atomic sequoia]

I don't think anything further has come out about it since the Indian national is missing(currently I believe?)

[gaunt turtle]

Yes he is, there are some reports of the indian national having a profile on israeli networking pages, where he is purportedly connected to israeli intelligence

Please DM me if anyone has further information. – Journalist covering the issue.

[atomic sequoia]

(I already did)

[opal vault]

Unclear if these are civilian, Hezbollah or both. Regardless, these are serious figures and indicates just how close the situation in the north is to full scale war
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1838176359153070199?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Lebanon's health ministry raises the death toll of the IDF's strikes in Lebanon today to 100.

Another 400 were wounded, it says.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 11:19 AM

[empty glacier]

do we have a specific lebanon channel yet?

[opal vault]

we don't, I think we really should make one

Lebanese schools closed for 2 days
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-23/israel-launches-air-strikes-on-southern-lebanon-live/104385896#live-blog-post-124520

[empty glacier]

https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1287747305050472560

[fringe panther]

Do we have any more information on the other side of the supply chain? I.e where as this going to? It would seem odd for a somewhat clandestine group to just place a large open order.

[vocal jetty]

we had some details on Norta here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/21/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-exploding-pagers/

[atomic sequoia]

Handala leaked "Israel defense minister private photos"
"2/000 private photos of Benny Gantz

The former defense minister of the Zionist regime has taken very harsh and extreme positions against Hezbollah in recent days! Dear Benny, it is better to be afraid of your own shadow from tonight, we will publish two thousand of your private photos, our gift will also reach you soon, wait!

Yesterday We Leak 35/000 Emails of Benny Gantz too!

In recent days, we found out that Benny Gantz has made many confidential and destructive meetings at his office! We have been with this former defense minister of the Zionist regime for many years! To warn him, we publish only a small part of the data we have about him!

Benny, as you have a special interest in doctors and like to spend a lot of time with them, we advise you not to do something that you have to stay with doctors for the rest of your life! Benny understood what we meant better than anyone…

And a warning to other ministers and commanders of the Zionist regime, do you think that you are safe from the sting of Handala’s attacks? Do not think like this! We have always been by your side. We have a lot of patience, we will hurt at the right time!

These top secret images and documents are a very small part of our data lake! We were also present in the most sensitive and security meetings of your Ministry of Defense for many years!"

The photos seem legit.

And the emails
"35/000 Confidential Emails of Benny Gantz

Publish for First Time

In recent days, we found out that Benny Gantz has made many confidential and destructive meetings at his office! We have been with this former defense minister of the Zionist regime for many years! To warn him, we publish only a small part of the data we have about him!

Benny, as you have a special interest in doctors and like to spend a lot of time with them, we advise you not to do something that you have to stay with doctors for the rest of your life! Benny understood what we meant better than anyone…

And a warning to other ministers and commanders of the Zionist regime, do you think that you are safe from the sting of Handala’s attacks? Do not think like this! We have always been by your side. We have a lot of patience, we will hurt at the right time!

These top secret images and documents are a very small part of our data lake! We were also present in the most sensitive and security meetings of your Ministry of Defense for many years!"

[crude current]

least surprising news https://bsky.app/profile/jongambrell.bsky.social/post/3l4ygd3my5k24

[grizzled zephyr]

https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1838965534320157120

Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) on X

Iran has brokered ongoing secret talks between Russia and Yemen's Houthi rebels to transfer anti-ship missiles to the militant group.

Russia has yet to decide to transfer the Yakhont missiles – also known as P-800 Oniks - which would allow the militant group to more accurately

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 3:35 PM

[potent nebula]

Has this been confirmed and what is the original source? Thanks.

[atomic sequoia]

Original source is Handala themselves(Iranian Advanced Persistent Threat group masquerading as hacktivists) and from a brief look it's legit to me

[acoustic bane]

Hi if this is from the hack, we cannot have it in the server as it violates discord tos

[atomic sequoia]

Oh apologies!

[acoustic bane]

Please do not share any hacked materials or any links to hacked materials

[silent hamlet]

how do you know that they are Iranian?

[atomic sequoia]

General consensus in the security industry is they're Iranian-linked if not Iranian in origin
The phishing attacks related to Sayyed Razi Mousavi were one of the main factors pointing to that iirc

[pure pelican]

Houthi's claim attacks on USN destroyers in Red Sea and targets in Israel:

Houthi Statements
Attack on US Navy Vessels: https://www.saba.ye/ar/news3376985.htm
Attack on Israel: https://www.saba.ye/ar/news3376948.htm

Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-say-they-attacked-israels-tel-aviv-ashkelon-2024-09-27/

[neon flicker]

https://x.com/TheNewsTrending/status/1839694574148600251

Breaking News (@TheNewsTrending) on X

@sentdefender Massive attack on Hezbollah's headquarters!

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 3:52 PM

[crude current]

Israel hit 4-6 residential buildings trying to kill Nasrallah Live Updates: Israel Targets Hezbollah Leader in Strike on Residential Buildings Near Beirut https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/27/world/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-hamas?smid=nytcore-android-share

[acoustic bane]

We're talking about that here: https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1287747305050472560

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840394546019963388?t=BP4EudJT8YHvDfVhoBdIjA&s=19

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

Reports of an Israeli airstrike in the Yemen coastal city of Hodeidah

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 2:13 PM

[drifting trout]

IDF spokesman:

The Air Force attacked targets of the Houthi terrorist regime in Yemen about 1,800 km from the Israeli border

In a large-scale air operation today (Sunday), dozens of air force aircraft, including fighter jets, refueling and intelligence planes, under the direction of the intelligence wing, attacked military targets of the Houthi terrorist regime in the areas of Ras Issa and Hodeidah in Yemen. The IDF attacked power plants and a seaport, which are used to import oil.
Through the attacked infrastructures and ports, the Houthi regime transfers Iranian weapons to the region, and supplies for military needs, and thus also oil. The attack was carried out in response to the latest attacks carried out by the Houthi regime against the State of Israel.

Throughout the past year, the Houthi terror regime has been operating under the direction and funding of Iran and in cooperation with the Iraqi militias, in order to harm the State of Israel, undermine the regional order and disrupt global freedom of navigation.

The IDF is determined to continue to act and harm anyone who poses a threat to the citizens of the State of Israel, and at whatever distance it takes.
https://t.me/idf_telegram/11951

[opal vault]

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/29/israel-airstrike-yemen-port

[silent hamlet]

"The Israeli Air Force conducted an airstrike on the port of Hodeidah in Yemen on Sunday, two Israeli officials told Axios."

[opal vault]

Thanks, not sure why it isn't expanding

[modern salmon]

Thr Houthis are claiming the attack a failure, and that the oil tanks were preemptively emptied. There are two videos of the attacks in the thread below, there does some to be some substantial fires burning however.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/29/middle-east-crisis-live-israel-bombardment-lebanon-hezbollah-hassan-nasrallah-latest?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-66f9749a8f0859f4a95e62af#block-66f9749a8f0859f4a95e62af

[opal vault]

video from the city does indicate something very flammable going up...https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840399878700011687

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

More footage from the alleged Israeli strike on Hodeidah

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 2:34 PM

[pure pelican]

https://vxtwitter.com/trbrtc/status/1840430460251312315

https://vxtwitter.com/trbrtc/status/1840431761395745178

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1840452317663125570

Guy Plopsky (@GuyPlopsky) on X

🇮🇱 Several stills from the video showing F-15A and F-15D aircraft from 133 Squadron "Knights of the Twin Tail" at Tel Nof Air Force Base, each notably armed with a pair of SPICE 1000 precision-guided glide weapons.

Video link:
https://t.co/RecKKmjZ03

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 6:03 PM

[charred echo]

Gorgeous

[opal vault]

Appears that F-35s were used in yesterday’s Yemen strikes, refueled in mid air by 707s, a real juxtaposition of the cutting edge and venerable old
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840648461248495958?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) on X

The IDF releases footage of the aerial refueling operations amid yesterday's strike against infrastructure in Yemen used by the Iran-backed Houthis.

According to the military, dozens of IAF aircraft, including fighter jets, refuelers, and spy planes, participated in the strikes

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 7:02 AM

[grizzled zephyr]

To add a bit of a relevant addendum - Israel has pushed a LOT for new tanker capacity (they received their first KC-46 earlier this year) specifically because of this

Any significant strike against Iran would require tankers and the 707s aren't reliable (average age of around 50 years)

[charred echo]

First one comes in 2025 I think

[modern salmon]

Syrian news presenter Safaa Ahmed is reported kills by the strikes in Damascus

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-09-30-24-intl-hnk/index.html

[pure pelican]

Dark Fleet Tanker reported attacked by Houthi Sea Drone. Cordelia Moon IMO: 9297888

While the crew on board Cordelia Moon are reported to be safe, the tanker has been damaged on its port side ballast tank number six and is reported to be taking on water.

https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1150817/Dark-fleet-tanker-hit-and-taking-on-water-as-Houthis-resume-attacks

Reposted to #maritime

[drifting trout]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/02/copenhagen-blasts-israel-denmark-embassy-security-jewish/1e8607e8-8095-11ef-90f2-d1fc6303655d_story.html

[pure pelican]

Houthi's release footage of 10/1 sea drone attack on Panamanian flagged Cordelia Moon

https://vxtwitter.com/wammezz/status/1842124202758856817

[pure pelican]

Reports of air attack on targets in Sanaa, Yemen

https://vxtwitter.com/AhmadAlgohbary/status/1842213745809834012

https://vxtwitter.com/docshayji/status/1842215011818618914

[Google Translate]

📌📌 News of strong joint American British raids on #صنعاء …and the #الكثيب area, coinciding with the tenth anniversary of their coup against the legitimate government in #اليمن
Unconfirmed information about targeting Abdul-Malik al-Houthi, leader of Ansar Allah Houthis

[crude current]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/two-soldiers-killed-20-wounded-in-iraq-drone-attack-on-golan-heights-base/

[pure pelican]

USCENTCOM statement on Sanaa strikes:

https://vxtwitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1842269883226075153

[pure pelican]

United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations reports new Red Sea attack in an area previously targeted by Houthi militants

https://vxtwitter.com/UK_MTO/status/1844197419644273021

[pure pelican]

Houthi Statement on the attack on the OLYMPIC SPIRIT (IMO 9327097) attack in the Red Sea and claim an additional attack in the Indian Sea that has been previously unreported. The Houthi's claim the second vessel is named the ST. JOHN (IMO unknown) and suffered a direct hit with a cruise missile.

Crossposted to #maritime

[Google Translate]

In a statement issued by the armed forces, the armed forces stated that the first operation carried out by the missile force, the Air Force, and the navy, targeted the American oil ship OLYMPIC SPIRIT (OL). Shows that the targeting operation was carried out with 11 ballistic missiles and two drones, and the ship was hit directly and seriously by the grace of God.

She pointed out that in the second operation, the missile force targeted the ship ST.JOHN) in the Indian Ocean with a winged missile, in violation of the company that owns it the decision to prohibit entry to the ports of occupied Palestine. Confirming that the injury was direct.

The armed forces reaffirmed that they continue to impose a naval blockade on the Israeli enemy and that they will not stop their operations in the declared maritime operations area until the cessation of the aggression, the lifting of the blockade on the Gaza Strip and the cessation of aggression against Lebanon

https://vxtwitter.com/army21ye/status/1844438031660613876
https://www.26sep.net/index.php/local/89582-2024-10-10-18-06-14

[crude current]

https://xcancel.com/USAmbIraq/status/1844344636275409263

I don't know if this was sent to dispel a viral rumor or if someone in the US or Israel actually threatened this

[eternal sluice]

A little bit of both, perhaps. Israel's Channel 14 (to my knowledge, known for being unreliable) had a segment with Sistani having a bullseye over him, among others, which spawned a lot of talk on social media that the Israeli government was threatening him. Tweet: https://fxtwitter.com/suoad_q/status/1843724635667607879

Whether this was a Channel 14 fabrication out of thin air, or there was some talk among the most radical members of Israel's government, or it is an actual Israeli government 'secret' position is unknown.

And here's an AJ article, for completeness: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/10/us-slams-suggestion-of-targeting-muslim-scholar-al-sistani-by-israeli-tv

[buoyant fossil]

The former pm said it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gIAcmqAGlF4

[eternal sluice]

That, I did not know. Thanks for the info!

There might have been a misunderstanding here - the interviewer and Naftali seem to be talking about assassinating Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, not Sistani.

[buoyant fossil]

Oh my bad I really should have read things more closely. I'd seen Naftali's statement earlier and figured this was what it was about

[violet briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwRSB94bP6M

This group recreates the pager bomb incident using a similar model- Of course- they do not disclose how to make explosives, just document the effects and the methods behind the boom.

[fringe panther]

https://fixupx.com/timourazhari/status/1846526607395037228

[raven remnant]

https://x.com/centcom/status/1846745284262449561?s=46&t=0qAvqb6FOvZFc7eoZBKfXw

U.S. Central Command (@CENTCOM) on X

U.S. Central Command Conducts Multiple Strikes on Underground Iran-Backed Houthi Weapons Facilities

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 2:49 AM

[fringe panther]

https://apnews.com/article/school-children-lebanon-israel-war-education-1fc33f1878ac4f94b3000e8380797d8f

[crystal raven]

That's a tweet from the 20th of July.

[drifting trout]

https://x.com/shashj/status/1849538810884800803?t=C43keToQdHGs_bycOyTGOw&s=19

Shashank Joshi (@shashj) on X

“Russia provided targeting data for Yemen’s Houthi rebels as they attacked Western ships in the Red Sea with missiles and drones earlier this year, helping the Iranian-backed group assault a major artery for global trade” https://t.co/MoUQneraeR

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 7:49 PM

[fickle girder]

https://x.com/klipnewsorg/status/1852113910716825951

KlipNews (@klipnewsorg) on X

Official U.S. Navy photo of a Lieutenant wearing a "Houthi Hunting Club" patch on his uniform.

"The patch signifies the squadron's operational achievements and heritage," DOD caption says.

h/t @jaredbkeller

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 10:22 PM

(Patch depicts the sand people from Star Wars)

[smoky bobcat]

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/11/12/2-navy-destroyers-attacked-barrage-of-houthi-drones-missiles-off-yemen-coast.html?amp=

[split ocean]

What do you think will happen next between Israel and Iran? Is there a possibility that the situation will ease if Donald Trump becomes President again? Are any major escalations expected between the two countries in the near future? It seems that Iran is wary of further escalation, while Israel is showing more resistance, especially in terms of its dealings with Gaza and Lebanon. While Israel still has many challenges to face, what are your predictions for the future of this conflict and the broader regional dynamics?

[urban sedge]

Hi and welcome to the server!

That question is quite speculatory, which is not the goal of the server. The purpose of the server is to have discussions and conducting open source research, as well as news on topics that can greatly benefit from these. Therefore we try to be as academic and down to facts as possible rather than going around the what ifs.

We always recommend new people to take a little step back when they join and get a feeling of the server, so they can learnand grasp a feeling of how it works. We all have done it before (:

[slim spindle]

hello can someone help me identify the red and green logo in the upper left hand side of the photo?