2023_grads

[grizzled bronze]

Unless someone messed up and forgot to remove the "internship" label from the listing

[autumn iris]

are people with internships+ research experience struggling with new grads roles?

i know its bad for people that dont have any sort of experience, but i thought having

internship experience+research shouldnt make it that bad

[obsidian crater]

yes

[autumn iris]

i graduate in december, prepping now and gunna start applying next month

for full time roles

[wild sage]

for those here who've been successful, where did you find your jobs? a lot of unsuccess in here (myself included) and just need some positive vibes + helpful resources right now

[autumn iris]

isnt it just linkedin

linkedin/glassdoor to company website

[wild sage]

i've applied to soooo much linkedin it doesn't go anywhere for me

@autumn iris did you get an offer from a job you applied to via linkedin?

[autumn iris]

i applied to most of my internships through linkedin, i do get calls

got interviews coming up

like

dont use the easy apply, literally go the company website

[late kestrel]

youve killed him

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

[prime palm]

ya

[prime palm]

u r wrong

[autumn iris]

wtf

[prime palm]

both offers I got were companies that were on pittscs but this was in like November 2022

(so Pitt scs is kind of dead now)

[prime palm]

I just saw ur a dec 2023 grad

Should be fine by then

[autumn iris]

[prime palm]

Just know you'll be recruiting July / aug 2023 to start in 2024

[autumn iris]

yeah im planning on applying next month

or june

currently late interviewing for summer internships, but i should graduate with like

2yrs of ML research experience, and 1 internship (2 if i get one for this summer)

[prime palm]

Good luck captain @autumn iris

It's a bad market out here

[autumn iris]

[midnight merlin]

@autumn iris It ain't great. only getting bites for intern roles as ng. Keep prepping .

[jagged viper]

Does anyone have experience with asking to work strictly from home in a hybrid position? Or just expressing that it’d be better for you? Has it ever backfired?

[tardy geode]

PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE PRAYGE

please prayge for this shit economy

[pine topaz]

Eid Al Fitir is with us this week

allah is with our side

https://tenor.com/view/prayge-pepe-pray-frog-pray-gif-24741498

[jagged viper]

I see! They’re hybrid could be in another state and it’s a financial loss/burden for me to move to that suburbia💀.

But yeah definitely just something to bring up with the manager

[swift falcon]

it’s an illusion

meant to suppress us

we’re literally being oppressed

we’re all high value candidates

[bold pier]

This is what I tell my mom when she asks if I got a job yet!

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/flirt-youmu-youmu-konpaku-touhou-project-shrine-maiden-gif-18971967

[rain patio]

Hi @sly thicket! Can I dm you about an interview? (You have your dms off)

[swift falcon]

a new day

a new chance for recrooters to respond

new possibilities for email

new possibilities for calls

[fallen fox]

linkedin jobs ngl aboslute trash

[swift falcon]

use filter with ad blocker to get rid of promoted

[neon tide]

Becomes much more usable

[swift falcon]

is this fr

[neon tide]

Scared me

Shadow banned aka your resume goes straight to trash

I mean cause their promoted listings literally make the job search garbage

It’s not like it’s just an ad you can deal with it

It’s like a fundamentally different search product with and without promoted

[swift falcon]

'delivery driver'

'victoria's secret retailer sales associate'

[neon tide]

10 pages of promoted mixed in with legit search results is cancer

Not even exaggerating it was 10 pages when I stopped

And googled for the filter

[swift falcon]

and it's hard to parse them, the promoteod sign is camoflaged

like you have to read it and waste the brain power

I will

[neon tide]

By gimping their own features to try and steer people towards premium

I get why they do it

I do

[timber rock]

Cognizant just called me to ask why I rejected them lmfao

[neon tide]

But I’m going to filter it if I can lol

[swift falcon]

my job web site is going to be 1 page, like basically an excel sheet, you have the job title, column headings etc.

all filterable

no ads

nothing

just a damn table of jobs

hyperlink on where to apply

and a point of contact

(and 0 adoption by any company)

recrooters be like "but I have to actually do my job?!?"

oh and we'd ban all the scam jobs like revature

when it comes to job search, you don't need fancy animations or things to inspire you, or cool graphics

you just need information

cold hard information

[fallen fox]

i wish i could go back and tell my 16 y.o self the importance of going to a target school

i have not gotten a single interview after 600+ applications

[swift falcon]

like you could have a main technology column which only allows like 3 keywords, and then ancilliary column which could have like 5, that would cut down on the scope creep of positions

[livid yew]

Lol rip

I didn't even know about "target" schools during HS

Counselor never explained to me

[fallen fox]

yeah

[swift falcon]

id have to tell my middle school self tbh

[fallen fox]

i cant get a single interview

not one

[livid yew]

Google L4 reject

Guess I'm not ready lol

[fallen fox]

bs

[livid yew]

Maybe need 5YOE

Yeah

Apparently the sponsorship stuff costs Money

I had no idea lol

So many masters kids at age 22

It's nuts

[fallen fox]

i have been putting in "no" to sponsorships

[livid yew]

Y'all need to chill the fuck out lol

[fallen fox]

still cant get interviews

[livid yew]

[west egret]

Not going to say target schools don’t matter. You can get a SWE job going to a state school. But target school prestige definitely helps.

[livid yew]

No please view ads.

[swift falcon]

let me find it

[west egret]

I mean lying on your applications isn’t going to help. As soon as they see you need sponsorship that could very well affect any offer you get.

[livid yew]

I went to a state school

Maybe target ish

[fallen fox]

technically dont need sponsorship as i have 3 year work auth

[livid yew]

Bro you gotta be Asian or have a 4.0 in HS to get into MIT

Or both

[fallen fox]

dont wanna work for 3 years at the same place anyway

[livid yew]

Nah these days 3yrs is common tbh

Anything under a year is sus

2 is sweet spot

[swift falcon]

ok, I use ublock origin and grabbed it from here -> https://gist.github.com/jaydorsey/d728423051fbcb54f1abd53ed3920c9e

#2023_grads message

jump to that message for the correct one ^

[livid yew]

Unless you are getting physically and/or mentally raped by your manager

[west egret]

Honestly grinding to switch companies every year seems like it’d be way too stressful

[livid yew]

If she's hot enough

Unlock is what I use at work

[timber rock]

there's nothing i want more than to be in a perpetual state of leetcode

[livid yew]

I'm staying 2.5 ish

Get a couple vests

[swift falcon]

how do we something pinned

[livid yew]

Then dip

[swift falcon]

mod?

[west egret]

Low key I don’t mind doing LC but I don’t want it to be something I have to obsess over

Instead of living life

[livid yew]

Don't be old man like me. I slipped in shower this morning

[swift falcon]

oof

[livid yew]

Yeah my elbow hurts lol

[swift falcon]

i fell down the stairs pretty bad the other day

was scary

[livid yew]

I was just lying there on the tub floor

Thinking about

[west egret]

lol consistency beats slamming out 3 LC a day

[livid yew]

Somehow I have no bleeding or bruises lol

[swift falcon]

like uncle junior when he slipped in the shower

[livid yew]

That's how I'm doing it

[timber rock]

dont need to be good at lc when you never swithc jobs

[west egret]

When I don’t have an interview coming up, I just do 1 LC a day

[livid yew]

I don't have muscles

[west egret]

But the week before yeah I’ll grind it out

[fallen fox]

do companies generally track your internet usage?

started this new it job and all ive been doing is applying to other jobs while at this job

[swift falcon]

track? no. log? yes.

investigate? if given cause to.

[fallen fox]

[west egret]

If it’s remote, just do it on a separate laptop

[swift falcon]

don't be like me and leave your vpn running and only realize it at 2 am

[fallen fox]

on site

[west egret]

Idk if you want to apply when your screen is in plain view of others

[swift falcon]

I generally don't apply to anything when I have VPN running, but will turn it off and fuck around for a few hours lol

who's doing a no chat gpt rule?

[night marsh]

"Entry Level"

(unless they mean Extracurricular, which in that case okay)

[west egret]

Just apply anyways

Don’t self reject

[night marsh]

I'm doing that rn anyhow lol

It's funny though

[west egret]

Yeah the way I see it. If you self reject, you’re basically doing their job for them.

Let them decide.

[night marsh]

Definitely so. Good mindset to have.

[swift falcon]

I really have a hard time believing people are just copy and pasting code from chat gpt into production stuff without having to apply it to the actual use case, from what I've used it for, it's kind of like a glorified documentation helper

though that's just personal use, idk what it would be like in corporate

to clarify, when I say glorified documentation helper - I still think it's useful because you can just ask it 'what do i use here' and it will find you the right class instead of having to parse through the entire library documentation and understand it

so I agree with this

why would companies want to block increased efficiency?

that's the real question

perhaps they could steer people towards tools like co-pilot instead of just blocking chatgpt

https://github.com/features/copilot#pricing

is 19/per user good?

that's for bidness

so do u still prefer chat gpt over copilot?

oh wow

oh dang really?

i've never used it, but I know a guy who has and was impressed by it

oh, so it needs to catch up basically

so it's more for like patterns and auto complete rather than knowledge gathering?

[night marsh]

Based Go

[swift falcon]

so just like a better IDE functionality

in before udemy has courses on "How to use chat-gpt to increase your productivity as an xyz" $149.99 $16.99 (2 hours left on this deal)

like sales people?

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-confused-work-team-gif-13674122

i'd die if that was my job

so like american psycho

mergers and acquisitions

[pine topaz]

from what olf of wallstreet told me, the higher up you are in the food chain, the less work that you do

[teal jackal]

yep

[bold pier]

I must be very high up then, coz I'm doing no work

[sour spindle]

got rejected after applying.

I dont know. they may have some ATS and do not read the resume at all

yeah. I gave so many interviews but no reponses at all.

[modern steppe]

How do you guys represent return offers to the same place on your resume?

if its same team but different project/ skillset

[tardy geode]

i applied to so many jobs but no interviews .

Linkedin roasting me

smoothest linkedin headline ever .

[obsidian crater]

Bro that feeling when you apply to a job and it matches your profile but you still get resume rejected

[neon tide]

Almost as good as when you apply to some no name company and get resume rejected

https://tenor.com/view/who-the-hell-do-you-think-you-are-reacher-who-do-you-think-you-are-who-are-you-reacheronprime-gif-24770072

[obsidian crater]

[tardy geode]

thats happened with most of my apps

[obsidian crater]

sick of this shit lol

[tardy geode]

[bold pier]

5th round of interview for the same company, if I don't get this job imma pack my bags and go home

[obsidian crater]

[bold pier]

there 1 more technical round after this, if i clear these they want me to fly to their office also for another round

[neon tide]

7 rounds? fuck man if you need 7 rounds to tell if someone is a good candidate your hiring process is shit

I can 4 rounds being reasonable. OA/Phone Screen, two tech interviews, and behavioral. If you need more than that just holy shit

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

welcome to 2023

[neon tide]

we have to make sure this new grad can do every problem from blind 75 before we hire them

optimal solutions ofc

[tardy geode]

[night marsh]

Bruh yeah I hear that

(i forgot if I complained about it before, but) had something similar where after 4 technical rounds, a behavioral, and a recruiter call they were saying the non negotiable compensation was 90k. Keep in mind these questions were LC Meds/Hards too

[autumn iris]

they dont

[bold pier]

This is the new normal it seems

[autumn iris]

finance/business is like

super competitive

not compared to CS, but theres just way more people with those majors

and most starting salaries is 55k

[autumn iris]

my friend is a senior at snowflake

they told me its normal over there

[night marsh]

Yeah indeed

[autumn iris]

its actually normal for most senior roles

[night marsh]

For senior that kinda makes sense bc there's a larger breadth of concepts. Still big but it makes sense

[autumn iris]

like the glassdoor salaries is way less than wat it actually is, so if u want to make money

[night marsh]

New Grad on the other hand...

[autumn iris]

u go through the entire process

same thing

[neon tide]

Normal and being necessary are different things

[autumn iris]

they pay one of the highest salaries

[neon tide]

It can be the normal and still be stupid

[autumn iris]

then apply to a diff company

cause they way u think about it, if other people are getting in

then people are willing to do it

[neon tide]

No one said anything about willingness to do it or not

it can be fucking dumb

and we all do it

[night marsh]

Genuine question - is there a study that finds a relationship between # of rounds and opportunity cost?

[autumn iris]

yeah but they have to filter people out

[neon tide]

not sure why that's hard to understand

you don't need to see a candidate 7 times to know if they're a fit

[autumn iris]

what if they have 20 other candidates

[neon tide]

all you're doing at that point is convincing your bosses bosses boss that they're a fit

it's literally just a song and dance

[night marsh]

Like the # of extra rounds could either be used to onboard a new hire, or you get a slightly more culture fit candidate from those extra rounds

[neon tide]

because there's not trust between c suite and hiring managers

so it's a dumb game that must be played

we can objectively acknowledge it's stupidity while being forced to participate in it

[autumn iris]

[night marsh]

It wouldn't make sense for NG because most are gonna start off as code monkeys and thus don't have as much autonomy as they'll mostly do their higher-ups bidding

[neon tide]

instead of being like "lol just apply elsewhere then"

[night marsh]

Kinda hard to apply elsewhere if you don't really have options

[autumn iris]

it depends on the company obviously for NG

snowflake only hires students with internship experience+ they give leetcode hards

[night marsh]

yeah .. that is true. But 7 rounds is still pretty crazy for a NG imo. idk if being able to solve LC hards necessarily correlates to being a better dev overall, sure, but 7 rounds?

[autumn iris]

LC hards is to filter the candidates out, then rest is behavioral, case studies, etc

there are people who just grind leetcode 24/7, but are sht at other stuff

[autumn iris]

my friend told me 5-7 is very common

for most companies

[late kestrel]

i wouldnt say very common

[autumn iris]

the last few is generally meeting teams/directors/head people

[late kestrel]

not uncommon but 3-5 is pretty average

[autumn iris]

are we counting phone

and oas

[late kestrel]

oa->phone->onsite->hr/manager is a pretty common cycle

[night marsh]

Not for NG. 3-5 is more average

[night marsh]

your friend is applying to some very laborious places then lol

[autumn iris]

most of them apply to big tech/top companies so i guess thats why

oa-phone- zoom- HR/manager- then they fly u out

[night marsh]

idk if even big tech has that many, iirc places like DB, Uber, etc usually have 3-4 which is like OA, Phone, Tech, Behavioral with HM

[late kestrel]

no one flies u out anymore

[autumn iris]

are we talking

about like high salaries finance

or like any job related to finance

very competitive

i mean idk i think its still different things

its also a huge area

like quant/ analytics/ investing banking/etc

[west egret]

But also think about the time commitment if they had in person for on-site

Having to pack and fly out somewhere while juggling school schedule

Easier to just roll out of bed and prep for your interviews

[late kestrel]

yeah but free trip

[west egret]

How much free time would you even have though lol

[late kestrel]

not a whole lot

one evening

but i like travelling

[west egret]

I do too

But I like mine to be big uninterrupted blocks of time

Takes a few days to even get used to the area

[late kestrel]

its about the journey

[brave forge]

interesting thought

[west egret]

That’s true. I feel like I can perform better from my room compared in-person for interviews though.

[late kestrel]

i wouldnt know, the last in person job interview i did was for a retail job in high school lol

[west egret]

Virtual interview are prob here to stay though

More flexible and costs less

I don’t ever want to work for Elon though

[brave forge]

space companies are cool though, but there are a lot more then just SpaceX

[west egret]

It has more to do with that WLB at his companies seem to be notoriously bad

[brave forge]

ya you dont go there for a good wlb for sure

[pure mauve]

Just curious what’s worse: Elon or TikTok

[west egret]

I wouldn’t know

[neon tide]

this is what im used to

[night marsh]

Indeed

[tardy geode]

The rate at which zuck is laying off meta mates , he is gonna end up being the only employee by 2024

spaceX popping

[fallen fox]

bungie's oa is c++ and you have to use linear algebra and trig

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

💀

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[tardy geode]

ayo wtf is this super reaction

XD? 💀

this is some 2010 shit

[late kestrel]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[autumn iris]

Depends on where ur at

Im in south, prob different if ur on west or northeast

orlando is 60-80kish for devs

Business/finance is way lower

Im in atlanta atm

from florida though

Meh

[delicate sigil]

Has anyone given the 1st round of interview at SoFi

[static quarry]

has anyone had a debugging coding interview before?

what was it like

how long was it

because mine is 75 minutes

okok so about the same

no tegus

[swift falcon]

system.out.printlin(“debug-1”)

[static quarry]

gotcha

[late kestrel]

AT&T does one too

its pretty basic

[static quarry]

im assuming syntax and logic errors

mostly logic though. its language agnostic

time to bully chatgpt into making sample questions for me

[cloud zinc]

if a recruiter scouts your resume for a role that doesn't fit your background, would it be appropriate to question them on said role?

[tardy geode]

[ornate cliff]

Got Ramp phone screen... Dear God I don't wanna fuck this up please please 😭😭😭

[obsidian crater]

I think I got ghosted for my interview

💀

[ornate cliff]

Bro what the fuck... Name and shame

[obsidian crater]

local startup bro

nobody here will ever have heard of it

[ornate cliff]

[lone rapids]

For work authorization date as an intl on opt what should i fill? Should I also account for stem opt extension right now?

[obsidian crater]

That's after a year

[cloud zinc]

Raython cancelled their new grad software engineering role. This was an administrative decision as well 😭

broke ahh

[outer radish]

ayo wtf i swear they're making BANK rn sending missles out

hella drones and radars

[neon tide]

well they are having layoffs

[fallen fox]

bungie oa is fucked

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

never had a company ask me trig

[cloud zinc]

has anyone applied to RitePros before?

I'm not sure if they offer full-time roles or if its contract-only

[fallen fox]

looks like one of those "consulting" firms

[cloud zinc]

that's depressing

[fallen fox]

they will likely "train" you, fake your resume and put you on a contract

[cloud zinc]

that sucks. They have like five to six positions that match my skillset

[swift falcon]

p sure they do that on porpoise

[pine topaz]

ayy goodluck

ramp recruiter literlayre ached out to me bu tnever responed back after i told my scheudle

[ornate cliff]

Reach out again and tell em "I got the flags let's make it happen"

[lime moth]

Finally got an offer but pay is kinda weak, anyone have any advice on negotiating? Don't have any other offers tho rn but I am waiting on a final round result from someplace else

[gilded swan]

Anyone apply to relativity space or get an interview?

[late kestrel]

bro youve mentioned the pay like a dozen times at this point

you dont have any other options, right?

i mean theres nothing anyone here can tell ya

if its the best youve got, so be it

[night marsh]

Accept and renege if you get something better

it's better than being unemployed

there you go

[ornate cliff]

I always just ask "are you able to offer any higher? it would be really helpful with the burden of student loans etc etc."

I never had competing offers and always got a small bump

[lime moth]

Hell yea I’ll try something like that

[pine topaz]

I only want it if ur working there

otherewise im not reaching out

[tardy geode]

cold emailed a recruiter to review my app , got rejection email after like 5 mins

[sour spindle]

Take it up with no much negotiation. I mean you can surely ask for something higher but if they say no then just take it up and continue searching for better job. That’s the best thing in this current market scenario.

[obsidian crater]

Why this market so bad

I wanna rope

[lime moth]

Yea that’s what I plan on

I finally got an offer even though I graduated last year without an internship. Those are you who are still searching it might take some time but you got this

[obsidian crater]

I been praying

Allah isn't answering

[grizzled bronze]

Could be the candidate was already identified for the role/they finished hiring

[grizzled bronze]

Try praying to Yahkesus

[obsidian crater]

Ok

In the name of the father, the holy spirit and God Yahkesus himself, may all the job searchers of this server be blessed with high TC, good WLB and no PIP jobs. Amen.

[swift falcon]

[split plaza]

prayge

[grizzled bronze]

I'm not smart enough for AI, but applied thanks

[mossy fiber]

insane, MS unfreeze

[livid yew]

MSFT

[grizzled bronze]

This is still pretty good, you have exposure in both so you'll be able to pick up Azure easy

Any cloud experience is a plus, it's not required

That and your cloud exposure makes you a really attractive candidate

Nah, that has nothing to do with Microsoft

Like I got resume rejected from Chick-Fil-A

that has nothing to do with other companies

Yeah, harder than Nvidia

Fewer spots, more prestigious

You're gonna get an interview at least

Source: Trust me bro

[west egret]

I got resume rejected by McDonald’s two seasons in a row

McD > FANG

[outer radish]

WE COMIN OUT THE RECESSION BOYS

[grizzled bronze]

This time it's different, this role is relevant to your ML internships

[outer radish]

TIME TO GET SOME BIG BOY STEAKS

[grizzled bronze]

[mossy fiber]

[static quarry]

the cope

[sour spindle]

Does anyone can make out of this “the hiring team is requesting final director approval to proceed with an offer. Once I have approval I will let you know and we can connect over a call to talk through next steps”

Is this a positive that they are preparing an offer for me or just holding onto me before they find another candidate

[outer radish]

never heard of cope

only recession stop

[grizzled bronze]

Is this Veeva?

[mossy fiber]

msft has rejected me 33 times already

[static quarry]

34th times the charm

[sour spindle]

I hope so and hope they don’t reject me 😭

[sour spindle]

You better not apply to Microsoft next time

[outer radish]

first thing i would do at microsoft is fix their fucking resume parser

JESUS LORD

[mossy fiber]

fact

[sour spindle]

I think you could applied to 33 other companies rather than applying to Microsoft repeatedly

[sour spindle]

No.

[mossy fiber]

it didnt hurt

[sour spindle]

Did this happen to you at Veeva? Veeva just rejected me right after applying on the portal

[grizzled bronze]

I have recruiter round scheduled for next month, expecting it to be canceled though

[mossy fiber]

got rejected after final💀

[grizzled bronze]

Wait a week and follow up again

[mossy fiber]

but veeva is good. ez coding

[sour spindle]

Why are you even expecting it to be cancelled? Just attend it and you never know sometimes luck works

[obsidian crater]

hah

nobody is hiring

[livid yew]

MS

I had a loop with them back in 2021

failed

[grizzled bronze]

Others had theirs cancelled. I'm still attending it if it's not cancelled

It's best to keep expectations low in this market

[livid yew]

@grizzled bronze

[grizzled bronze]

[livid yew]

heh

good luck

[mossy fiber]

they told me they filled like 2 weeks ago

[grizzled bronze]

Maybe someone reneged and that's why they're holding on to my interview

[sour spindle]

I hate this period of waiting

[mossy fiber]

idk man. its another position

devops ng iirc

[sour spindle]

its like they like us after interview but at the same time want to interview others and make us wait. Hiring manager is never satisfied.

[mossy fiber]

I had my final with them in Feb for sde ng

I told them I am a backend guy, but they still arranged my interview with a fullstack (frontend focused) team

[deep wasp]

Company I signed with (I start in august) just announced some layoffs (10% of workforce)

I was thinking of emailing my hiring manager and asking if new hires are impacted.

Is that a bad idea?

[sour spindle]

I dont think you should ask. Just sit on the fence and do your job and perform better

[obsidian crater]

rip

what company?

[deep wasp]

well I haven’t started yet

F5

[obsidian crater]

[sour spindle]

Then just be quiet and join as per your start date.

You will be communicated if you are laid off

[deep wasp]

I mean I’m about to sign a lease

[obsidian crater]

yeah ask

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah in this case ask

And expense them for the lease if they lay you off after signing it

[mossy fiber]

yeah just ask

[deep wasp]

Sounds good.

[sour spindle]

yeah ask for higher severance kind of pay. They generally compensate and end up paying something

[mossy fiber]

I don't think any company would fire an employee for asking if they were affected by the layoff

[sour spindle]

I see. thanks for the input. I just cant make much sense and just frustrated with waiting period.

so what you mean to say is it is positive as of now and chances of being rejected, though likely, but are less.

I mean the hr shared me the benefits etc etc but no written offer yet.

[fallen fox]

2.6 gpa enjoyer here

[swift falcon]

my philosophy with leetcode

[fallen fox]

[ornate cliff]

gpa doesn't matter

unless you want certain hft

😂

[fallen fox]

some companies do have a min gpa requirement

but those are pretty rare

also grad school

[ornate cliff]

just don't transfer the work ethic that got you 2.6 into the workplace

[fallen fox]

[ornate cliff]

gotta switch it up

[sleek owl]

Should I take a 20/hr internship for 8 weeks till the job I got starts or save the 8 weeks for the OPT?

[grizzled bronze]

Apply for defense (it's hard af to pass resume screen for though)

[fallen fox]

[grizzled bronze]

Networking is the way into defense

They probably got hired from one of those hiring events

[fallen fox]

actually nvm im a monke brain myself

[grizzled bronze]

Also look into insurance companies

[whole berry]

looks like they need some of us in here to revamp their team

[cloud zinc]

are there any defense companies that are looking for java devs

seems like the majority of them want C/C++ devs

[brave forge]

just tell them you know C++

[cloud zinc]

They'll see through it

Added the language on my resume for one of those companies, and the resume screener saw through my bluff

[neon tide]

Python, c# too

[cloud zinc]

yeah smh

[neon tide]

Legacy offerings or flight/guidance is in C/C++ but other offerings are in c#/python from the ones I’ve interviewed with

I didn’t ask about Java specifically tho

[grizzled bronze]

Nice!

[cloud zinc]

whats funny is back during one of my interviews with a defense company, I tried to coax the screener by lying about my desire to switch to C/C++ embedded development. Unlike the rest of the defense recruiters, they ACTUALLY wanted people who want to pursue Java development

[grizzled bronze]

[grizzled bronze]

Was it Raytheon?

[cloud zinc]

Yeah. Felt like they pulled the old Spicy Keychain on my ass.

[livid yew]

[pure mauve]

Dead

[split plaza]

factual

[static quarry]

C++>>>>

[late kestrel]

what are we doing then

[brave forge]

Are u forgetting game dev

[obsidian crater]

sadge

I got rejected because "budget"

interviewer said I did good though

[timber rock]

[sour spindle]

Ain’t the budget generally allotted before the job is posted as open to apply?

[swift falcon]

bro what

fuck these mfin companies mang

so stupid

the disrespect

yanking our mf chains

[obsidian crater]

idk man

they don't care anymore

[ornate cliff]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3433895675/?refId=GAxCjNAI1795sQkoyRmG5A%3D%3D

[atomic oxide]

A lot of the LM Space teams want Java devs with some Python scripting ability. But their primary language is Java.

[cloud zinc]

Bro I got rejected from Guidehouse consulting 31 MINUTES AFTER APPLYING TO THEIR JUNIOR JAVA DEV ROLE

For fuck sakes

[jaunty storm]

It's automated.

Have you gone to any job fairs?

[cloud zinc]

Only one, back in late March this year

[jaunty storm]

I recommend seeking them out, it's worthwile.

I've gotten a total of 7 offers from going to job fairs.

[cloud zinc]

I mean the one in my college was fruitless because the vast majority of the booths want C/C++ devs. Also most of the major web dev companies pulled out

I'll definately keep my eyes open for a job fair outside of my state. There will be a similar event tomorrow, but none of the companies are looking for software people

[south sable]

Is there a channel for posting job fairs?

I know of the events channel but that seems to be too general

[cloud zinc]

there is a $1999 dollar hadoop developer certification training session 5 days from now. Would it be worth it to attend?

[fallen fox]

1999

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[cloud zinc]

I know that pricing sounds ridiculous, but on the other hand I'm not sure if Hadoop is hot enough to pursue it

[obsidian crater]

2k is too much

[fallen fox]

anyone hear back from sofi after the final round

[obsidian crater]

honestly kinda lost hope at this point

[drifting talon]

Anyone else have to do a sys design round for sofi 1st round?

[obsidian crater]

LinkedIn job # is deceptive

[jaunty storm]

There should be one if not let's suggest it. If you go to enough fairs, you'll find an opportunity pop up soon enough.

[lament summit]

I mean it’s apple

Even before this year it was probs that many applicants in a week

[fossil jewel]

hadoop kinda getting replaced by spark anyways

surprised there's a whole conference lmao

[teal jackal]

Getting an apple interview is nuts

[mossy fiber]

Anyone else have to do a sys design

[prisma flax]

Not worth it, Hadoop has been lost, many new technologies has replaced it

just know how to leverage stuff on distributed system than it's easier to understand

[grizzled bronze]

Getting any interview is nuts

[sleek owl]

does the expedite opt process guarantee receiving it under 30 days?

[ornate cliff]

bruh no one answering my DMs about Ramp

I got QUESTIONS

[bold pier]

Absolutely not.

[grizzled bronze]

I got ANSWERS

(probably not the kind you're looking for)

[ornate cliff]

[swift falcon]

hello friends

I pray for us

let us all get jobs soon, as we look for them

may our callbacks be many and ghosts be few

may the technical interviews be only easies

may the recruiters be nice and treat us as high value workers we are

let us receive the TC we deserve 90k+

amen

[ocean pelican]

i go to a target school and i have gotten only 4 interviews in like 4 months so its not so much better in this economy

[jovial latch]

nah the only emotion you're allowed to feel is despair

[pastel bane]

any discord servers for quant?

[ornate cliff]

#quants-n-traders

[tawdry nacelle]

Bro this job market is nuts

I just want a decent paying swe job

[fallen fox]

i want a paying* swe job

[livid yew]

[brave forge]

best i can do is a swe job that you pay them for

[livid yew]

[obsidian crater]

Got an interview from another local company

Intern position tho

[livid yew]

[obsidian crater]

They probably won't ghost since there is an actual zoom link

But JS and Python 🤮

where my C++ jobs at

So the first call is a 15 minute thing with a recruiter

It's probably gonna be behavioral or introductory so idk how to prepare or what to say

[chilly burrow]

For behaviorals general things tou should be prepped for is:

• tell me about yourself
• have 2+ stories for each of your resume experiences that can easily be adapted to any situation
• should be able to elaborate on any of your resume bullets

[obsidian crater]

[south sable]

you want money?

in this economy?

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

[livid yew]

L take

[obsidian crater]

How will I justify my beard, dorito crumbs and no bitches if I'm not a systems programmer?

[livid yew]

I just got handed a massive project at work

[obsidian crater]

[livid yew]

Gonna spend today reading docs, then writing a multi page engineer doc

[obsidian crater]

[livid yew]

Good luck to everyone next week with interviews

And may the odds be ever in your favor

[obsidian crater]

Inshallah

[livid yew]

Woah chill

[obsidian crater]

what

Inshallah is a meme

[fleet kiln]

Does anyone know what jpmc process is

I got a take home test but is that part of their usual process

[deep wasp]

I asked this last night and got mixed responses and so I am going to ask again. A few days ago the company I had an offer for announced 10% layoffs. I was thinking of emailing my hiring manager and ask if new hires are affected. I am nearing signing a lease on an apartment and stuff so I kind of need to know. Does emailing look bad, or does it even matter?

[fossil jewel]

bruh that means God willing

[livid yew]

I know lmfao

[fossil jewel]

do you bro

[obsidian crater]

👺

[livid yew]

yes I asked ChatGPT just now

[fossil jewel]

you're very midwestern

[livid yew]

its Arabic for "Gods will"

everyone knows this

[fossil jewel]

aka idk if you had exposure to the cultures of the world lmao

[fossil jewel]

oke then

[fallen fox]

im going to get ghosted by bungie after spending an entire week learning c++ and linear algebra

[fossil jewel]

i hope not bro

[south sable]

i hope not either

but you'll come out stronger 🦾

[fallen fox]

[brave forge]

oof

gl man. did u try learning opengl

[livid yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972617781910597682/1077365386024079411/6613-memefrog-roll.gif

https://www.phind.com/

[fallen fox]

havent tried opengl

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[swift falcon]

[tardy geode]

i have no faith in big tech now

[brave forge]

try https://learnopengl.com/ it is great

[fallen fox]

[livid yew]

massive too

[fleet kiln]

I got rejected from virtu when i aced the brainteaser problem they asked me in a recruiter call

[tardy geode]

dude this shit company reviewed my resume and sent me 3 fucking OAs which i did then rejected me saying "after reviewing your resume" I mean what the fuck were you doing then before sending me 3 fking OAs

recruitment was already shit now its become shittier

[obsidian crater]

[fallen fox]

barclays makes you take an IQ test 💀

[rain patio]

What job

if I can skip all the bs and just take that sign me up

[fallen fox]

some new grad swe role; it's automated so you gotta take 5 different tests before the recruiter sees your resume

[tacit grove]

ugh

they're doing fine I don't get why it's so necessary

I see...makes sense

[tardy geode]

they are an ass of a company

[fallen fox]

ye

[tacit grove]

same goes for Uber tho

[tardy geode]

as in ?

ohh

[livid yew]

as a Lyft simp I am

[tardy geode]

i thought you were googlchan simp

[livid yew]

🥰

[obsidian crater]

Comcast simp

[livid yew]

[obsidian crater]

Every company that rejects me

I curse them and pray for their stock to collapse

[livid yew]

[fossil jewel]

i miss meesta raccoon

:(

ripplematch

looks like consulting

[obsidian crater]

I hate these consulting shits

[jaunty basalt]

Revature with a band aid

[obsidian crater]

They pay you shit and make you sign a contract

Very bullshit

[fossil jewel]

yeah ripplematch is ass

like really

i get emails with matches when my preferences are NYC only

[tawdry nacelle]

Bruh I hate ripplematch

[fossil jewel]

or remote

[grizzled bronze]

Nah it's good

[night marsh]

They are

I worked on the K8s team there

it was really nice, a lot of room for engineering and experimentation there

[fossil jewel]

like how many times do i gotta mention to their 5th grade literate machine learning algo that im not interested in going to wisconsin

[tawdry nacelle]

Handshake is the site I use that actually lets me get responses back, problem is they’re usually defense companies/small startups

[deep wasp]

Got my first internship on handshake

[grizzled bronze]

I'm getting a $100 Amazon Giftcard thanks to RippleMatch, they advertised this survey thing with Roblox's new assessment and it didn't take too long

[fossil jewel]

ripplematch was better last year and the one before tbh

[deep wasp]

Good for local stuff

[tawdry nacelle]

At this point I’ll take anywhere

[night marsh]

I got my first recruiter hangup on Handshake lol

[tawdry nacelle]

Preferably urban, as long as I’m not in bum fuck no where

[deep wasp]

Big sigh of relief

[fossil jewel]

gg

[night marsh]

gz

[tawdry nacelle]

Gg

[grizzled bronze]

Well it sucks overall, I deleted my account after I did the reward thing. That was the only good thing.

[fossil jewel]

honestly only reasons i still have acc is bc ddog used it for this cycle

[tawdry nacelle]

Besides LinkedIn, what are you guys using for jobs?

[obsidian crater]

Tinder

[livid yew]

what happened to meesta?

meesta left

wtf

lol

[obsidian crater]

Lord Yahkesus

[tawdry nacelle]

What about grindr?

[fossil jewel]

yeah i wanted to tag him when you commented the 🥰

but couldnt find him

:(

[livid yew]

I should log on to work before 5pm

[obsidian crater]

Grindr too

[tawdry nacelle]

Haven’t gotten a single reply back from simplify yet

Lucky

I got ghosted

[livid yew]

[tawdry nacelle]

Tbh now that semester is almost over and I’ll have free time again, imma try and power out as many projects to beef up my resume during my adt internship

[late kestrel]

\

[late kestrel]

[tawdry nacelle]

I actually applied to a staff position posting bc why tf not to see if I could say I worked there

[livid yew]

💀

[fallen fox]

i would take that

[livid yew]

its in a location called Chennai

idk where that is

[obsidian crater]

oh that's India

[livid yew]

lmao

I see

[livid yew]

well yeah

1 Indian dollar is .012 american cents

[obsidian crater]

$17K is not bad for India tbh

[livid yew]

there is a good chance wit this promo, I will go from 112k base to roughly 148k base

[obsidian crater]

I looked up rent in Chennai and apparently a one bedroom apartment is $85 a month

[lone rapids]

India has rupee not dollar

[livid yew]

[livid yew]

you know what I mean

[lone rapids]

No lol

[livid yew]

I call everything dollars lol

[lone rapids]

Rent is 250 bucks

[livid yew]

I am gonna squeeze on this promo, get another 7k base, and 10k stonk

[obsidian crater]

250 bucks rent on $17k salary not terrible

[livid yew]

yeah, I pay 2000 on 112k salary

🥜

[obsidian crater]

Average salary in my city is $33K and rent is $1K

tfw rust belt

[tawdry nacelle]

That also depends on how nice the place is

[livid yew]

decently nice

[tawdry nacelle]

If it’s like a 400sqft studio, yea fuck no

[livid yew]

I did not realize it was top of my budget until like 6 months in

I did the math

and was like

oh....

I should move

[tawdry nacelle]

Are you remote?

[livid yew]

680sqft 1bd

nah lol

fuck remote

[tawdry nacelle]

Nah remote let’s me work at home in my jammies

[livid yew]

I am against fully remote work

the minority in this server probably

[tawdry nacelle]

Most likely

[livid yew]

also
A. I don't own/wear jammies
B. I am hybrid

[tawdry nacelle]

I don’t wanna dress up to do what I can at home and waste gas and travel time

[livid yew]

having roommates could get sussy

considering I sleep, well you know

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[tawdry nacelle]

Then work naked if that’s how you walk around the house

[livid yew]

tbf I live 3 blocks from the office

so its not a commute at all

[grizzled bronze]

Weird take, you can not prefer it but why you gotta be against it?

[livid yew]

that is what I meant to say

same thing, different words

[grizzled bronze]

Catch me in pity city

[livid yew]

but yeah I am looking to move into a 1.5/1.6k place when my lease is up

[late kestrel]

hybrid is so poggers

[tawdry nacelle]

Nah one sounds like a preference, the other sounds like a ceo who is forcing his employees to go back to in person so he doesn’t have to deal with his wife and kids he hates

[late kestrel]

full remote and full rto is bad

[livid yew]

I just mixed up my words in my brain buddy

I have bad ADHD and am Autistic, what you want from me

[grizzled bronze]

A job

[livid yew]

look I started working before remote work was a "thing"

[grizzled bronze]

[livid yew]

yep back in 2020

[tawdry nacelle]

A job

[livid yew]

[tawdry nacelle]

Now gimme

[late kestrel]

didnt u start like right during it

oh nvm ur joking

[livid yew]

yeah but the first job did not give me remote option

[late kestrel]

thats just small midwest company things

[livid yew]

management said

• in office, 5 days a week
• no masks
• no 6ft

I basically prob got covid several times

currently, yes

I used to live in Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois

I have no aspirations for woke California

[late kestrel]

thats how my summer internship was right during the hight of covid in bumfuck southern Indiana

[livid yew]

rip

I would not

lemme move here

bro I want to crack 200k base.

yeah I guess as a socially inept 24 yr old, I have nothing to do other than work

[tawdry nacelle]

Bruh no one needs that much especially at 24

[livid yew]

I am almost always doing work, during meetings. coding, doing PR review, writing docs.

[livid yew]

I want to buy a condo mf

[late kestrel]

cuz socializing and free stuff and actually being productive

[tawdry nacelle]

Not a real flex unless you buy a 2 story home

[livid yew]

I have AI transcribe and document meetings for me

[livid yew]

is a 3 story condo

[tawdry nacelle]

Honestly I would do hybrid/in person if it’s a walkable city

[tawdry nacelle]

Ok fair

[grizzled bronze]

You'll get there sooner than you think

[livid yew]

[grizzled bronze]

[tawdry nacelle]

I grew up near Manhattan, so I miss being able to walk places/take the subway

[livid yew]

I do that too @tawdry nacelle

I don't know how strict our policy is, I don't ask questions

[grizzled bronze]

You should, Comcast has good culture. They're not gonna bite.

[livid yew]

I work on personal stuff at the office

[late kestrel]

not me

[livid yew]

I was asking my manager for help with a side project yesterday

[tawdry nacelle]

Just depends on how well you can manage yourself from distractions

[livid yew]

oh I am a dirty person tbh, I don't always wash hands after piss

[tawdry nacelle]

And that’s why remote is an option

[livid yew]

ideally if I dont touch my cock, whats the issue

[late kestrel]

which is why i need 3 days a week in office to do work and the other two days at home i can do minimal work

[livid yew]

I try to use my muscles for iit

[tawdry nacelle]

Valid

[livid yew]

[tawdry nacelle]

He uses his biceps to lift it up at the urinal

[late kestrel]

man someone take his keyboard away

[livid yew]

yeah I never work on Friday

nobody does

I have seen a total of, 3 messages in slack today

I just say I have appointment, and do interview

[tawdry nacelle]

Tbh I want 4 days work week, I saw Notion had a posting and were saying they do that

[livid yew]

I am supposed to log my PTO

I have never bothered

and still get paid

nobody explained company policy, I just wing it

[tawdry nacelle]

Isn’t that more on call

[grizzled bronze]

Just escalate it and go back to bed

[livid yew]

@lunar sonnet why is my EKS cluster offline

https://images.cdn.appfolio.com/tierview/images/e69287a3-7c25-409a-b2e0-e5edf4b90e17/large.jpg

I make $54 an hour

sorry $54.13/hr

15% of every paycheck goes into 401k

[tawdry nacelle]

You act like $112k isn’t bad

[livid yew]

I spend too much lol

[tawdry nacelle]

Bruh I’ll take $70k rn

That sounds more like bad money management issues

[livid yew]

we are only hiring 2ish/ more like 3yoe and up

[livid yew]

idk I never took a class

on personal money

[tawdry nacelle]

It’s not even that, just watch your spending habits

[livid yew]

if my bank account has enough for rent+util, all i need

[late kestrel]

consoooom

[livid yew]

CAPITIALISM

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

on top of that, I put another $750 away from each paycheck into a travel fund

for some vacation in the future

I artifically limit my avail money

[late kestrel]

money isnt real

you will die before youre 40

just consoom

[cloud zinc]

keep getting resume rejected by Okta's new grad roles

wtf Leidos rejected my application for their Entry level developer role in less than 12 hours

never even received an email regarding that result as well

[neon tide]

Need this to fail

Can’t give a proof of concept to greedy c suite fucks that actually works with outsourcing

[cloud zinc]

tf?

[obsidian crater]

fake job postings

[cloud zinc]

what are they even looking for if not even an ex-FAANG is wanted

[obsidian crater]

[cloud zinc]

The vast majority of my skillset and tools match my experience too

[obsidian crater]

first time 🪢

[cloud zinc]

what do you mean hired through the covid era

are they saying that people who landed a role during covid are "not good enough engineers" as those back then?

that sucks

fuck them

[jovial latch]

blegh

interviews were so easy in the covid era

every fuckin company was fucking hiring twats

fuck em

[cloud zinc]

There was no way for me to get internships until the covid era, since I was ineligible for said internships as a freshman or sophomore

[rain patio]

Same

[cloud zinc]

I genuinely wish for them to undergo the most severe case of poverty and job shortage as we're experiencing

[rain patio]

I got an interview in 30 min

Thanks bro

Why am I nervous

[jovial latch]

recruiters are indeed the scum of the earth

[rain patio]

It’s on a language I’ve never used but it’s similar to java and python

Doesn’t seem too bad

It’s like if java and python had a baby

Aight 💀

[ornate cliff]

Phila is so pretty damn

[jovial latch]

what the fuck is a mix of java and python

[rain patio]

Fr not gonna fumble

Groovy

I remember introducing myself during a career fair where I said my name was my major and I’m majoring in my “actual name” 💀💀😭

Lolll

Nah

Their requirements didn’t match with my skillset cuz they wanted someone experienced

[livid yew]

[torn stone]

In general how many candidates would a company interview for a role with 1 HC?

[polar fox]

Someone more experienced in speaking??

Jkjk thats a cute mistake haha

I one time introduced myself with my high school friends name bc i was thinking of how he was doing, so i just rolled with it lol 💀

[neon perch]

Did anyone heard back from sofi new grad relay?

[drifting talon]

Yeah

[neon perch]

After phone?

[drifting talon]

After recruiter

[neon perch]

Yeah so you have your interview scheduled?

[drifting talon]

No, just sent my availability

[neon perch]

I haven’t heard back after recruiter and it’s been 2 weeks

[tardy geode]

are you international?

[fallen fox]

sofi mfers went from asking two sum to ghosting candidates

[tardy geode]

💀

two sum ?

fr?

[fallen fox]

https://leetcode.com/problems/pairs-of-songs-with-total-durations-divisible-by-60/

[tardy geode]

my friend got asked two sum for fidelity , bro couldn't solve it . i was like man wtf