2023_grads

[livid yew]

so much work

[prisma flax]

I can’t, it needs a dedication of atleast 4 years

[livid yew]

bro I barely passed my bachelors program

[paper basalt]

think my undergrad gpa is like 3.2

yea at my uni the grad students were almost exclusively indian

i only interacted with them via the code help room

nice people usually, sometimes some fuck heads

[static quarry]

john deere cancelling interview 5 minutes before it starts lol

[paper basalt]

terrible

[prisma flax]

Its a mix of everything, some of them are serious and others just want to pass their time

Masters only useful if we know what nice we want or experiment with all if you haven’t did it in bachelors

[paper basalt]

i did a graduate 1 year program and a lot of it seems like a trap if you arent real serious about a research topic or yea phd

big opportunity cost for income

phd wont guarantee some big salary either

B.S. in CS -> get a job is best outcome for most

any job

[prisma flax]

Yea i do agree most with bs + job is the best possible thing anyone can do

[dusky lark]

Anyone took the process for Mytos?

[pastel bane]

how to relieve my fatigue from job searching?

[teal jackal]

MS is only worthwhile if you are planning on entering a career field with extremely specific requirements

[bold pier]

lol that depends on how you structure your courses, one can choose to end masters with 0 expertise in any area at all

[ornate cliff]

Yes if you dominate the bahavioural 🙂

[bold pier]

In fact in some colleges that's not even an option, I had to throw my intended course plan out the window coz all the subjects I wanted got taken before I could enroll during registration window

[teal jackal]

yeah outside of a few circumstances, grad school for cs is totally useless

my friend is actually strongly considering going to vanderbilt for datasci MS because vanderbilt lets you skip gen-ed level datasci classes if you have done them at another university before

[swift falcon]

no don’t say that

[bold pier]

Yeah the Masters with specialization like DS or CyberSec might have been a better choice now I think about it, general MS CS is hit or miss

[swift falcon]

tbh at this point, it seems to make 0 difference in my job search

nobody is like "omg u have a masters??!?!?"

[neon tide]

Yeah my masters is mostly international students tbh

[worthy aspen]

at this point my MS just feels like a scam

[neon tide]

I saw a slight uptick in response rates with the masters before first internship compared to just bachelors, but shortly after that I got my first internship so hard to every separate anymore

[swift falcon]

the only redeeming aspect is that I got a stipend from GI bill to get degree, but it was a lot of stress with the way I did things

[neon tide]

Bro this is only reason I’m getting a masters

Milk gi bill

[swift falcon]

lol

I still have like a semester worth of stuff left

but I don't want to go to PhD

[neon tide]

I’m starting masters number 2 next year

Literally for MHA

[swift falcon]

Health Administration?

[neon tide]

found school that is half time with one class 3 hours a week

[neon tide]

Oh monthly housing allowance

mha

[swift falcon]

oh

lol makes sense

[bold pier]

Most International students enroll in Masters for VISA and OPT, actual programs are in fact a scam unless you are into some cutting edge research

[neon tide]

So one class a week in a second masters

$1100 a month

Never have to list on resume if I don’t want to

[swift falcon]

see I never realized this until I came to this discord and it suddenly made sense why the majority of people in my classes were international students lol

[neon tide]

My masters is kinda a cash cow tbh

[earnest perch]

ms is an immigration program

ms + amazon new grad with day 1 h1b application

[swift falcon]

the only thing is that I could probably go back and get PhD if I am bored in like 5-6 years and have like some senior research thing with a job I can spin into it

[neon tide]

I considered this but the options for part-time phd is like non-existent or shit programs

[prisma flax]

yea amazon new grad was very easy to get into

[neon tide]

And the thought of being a full time PhD student

[swift falcon]

yeah

fuck that

especially with 4 kids and having to support an adult lifestyle

if I was single I'd maybe do it for the clout

[neon tide]

Need a top program to buy in and make a good part time PhD

[swift falcon]

yah

[neon tide]

If I could spend 8 years part time at a top PhD I’d do it

[bold pier]

That was the dream

[swift falcon]

part of the problem I've read is that you should be getting a funded PhD and self funding it is looked down upon

so that kind of makes using GI bill resources moot

[neon tide]

Meanwhile us with gi bill

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

[earnest perch]

same. last year around 200 people got into amazon from my university, most of them being international students

[prisma flax]

what is gi bill?

[neon tide]

Pays for college or vocational school if you served in military

Short summary

[prisma flax]

amazon new grad made easy for others because they kept a lot of pressure on other companies

[prisma flax]

woah that's nice

[bold pier]

You got 4 kids? Join the the millennials_2023 channel

[swift falcon]

what I should have done is aggresively applied after my bachelor's degree and still gone back to get the master's degree

instead I waited until now to start assuming I'd be high value and it'd count for something

[neon tide]

That timing

Hope you didn’t buy a house at the top too

[swift falcon]

I did

[neon tide]

Same

[swift falcon]

right before covid hit

[neon tide]

🤝

[swift falcon]

so I'm actually in good shape

[neon tide]

Oh you’re fine then

[swift falcon]

but like I've said before, my salary is getting spread kind of thin

[neon tide]

I’m a break even if I sold today

After fees

So hopefully doesn’t go down more cause trying to sell next year

[swift falcon]

I'm in a nice house, new build, big enough for family (though 'cozy')

so it could be a forever home

[neon tide]

Yeah we like our house but not in love with the area

Not Houston people

We have found out

Moving to Philly next year cause family there

[swift falcon]

huge help with kids ngl

[neon tide]

Yeah we’re trying for first now

Want in-laws lol

So move back to Philly is key

[swift falcon]

yeah if they're willing it's a big help

[neon tide]

Can’t imagine 4 tho with going back to school

Wild

[swift falcon]

technically I just had 2 during undergrad, 3rd was born in beginning of masters, 4th is due in a month haha

but overall it's rough

I didn't see them a few nights a week before covid

when everything went virtual it was great

the stress was crappy though, definitely took a toll on my patience with them

😔

they got a spot on my thesis dedication though so that makes up for it right?

[neon tide]

We are pretty set on stopping at 1 because I think I would lose my mind with more than one lol

Yup thesis dedication makes up for it

It’s just such a different ballpark with a 2:1 ratio parent to kid

Instead of 2:1 kid to parent

[swift falcon]

yeah for sure

honestly if you do want more, a 2 year gap is nice

[tardy geode]

wtf is this error , i tried uninstalling nodemodules and reinstalling em

doesn't help

it shows everytime i do npm start

[lone copper]

accepted offer, going to usa , good bye poopy canada

[obsidian crater]

which startup is this lol

[cobalt lake]

what company/ city are you going to? if you dont mind saying

[obsidian crater]

ah

[ornate cliff]

See @lunar sonnet it's possible 💞

@lone copper tell us more bro I'm trying to be like you 😭😭

[worthy aspen]

try running npm install react-scripts

[lone copper]

it's big company so I will say but I won't share which location because of privacy reasons:
Advanced Energy as a firmware engineer

[obsidian crater]

Hardware mogger

[lone copper]

just have resume and expirence that fits job, apply for job, nail interview, accept offer

i had a few diff offers so that helped speed things up

[lone copper]

HW life

tho it is still a lot of coding just more like low level like embedded C and a bit of assembly but they really wanted someone with electrical knowlege and some lab work is required

[ornate cliff]

Are you Canadian citizen? I'm curious about the TN visa process

[lone copper]

yessir

[ornate cliff]

And Congrats you're GOATED

[obsidian crater]

Hardware too hard for me

My brain is very smooth

[lone copper]

I actually might have to move back start date bc my uni doesnt have convocation until June and my start date is mid may, i have to look into that but my exams end on the 28th so like my schedule too busy to celebrate ;-; I think I need degree for TN visa

[lone copper]

/j (not me but funny msg from HW discord)

[obsidian crater]

hardware bros

[lone copper]

haha but I just like doing what is interesting to me, I liked CS in high school but I thought physics was cool too so I took an EE major and then ended up liking it a lot. I wanted to do something that I enjoyed even if it's hard, the challenge keeps me going. I could transition into SW if I wanted but I genuinely think I would get bored just writing code all day

software is better effort to money ratio, I am idiot who doesn't care and wants to actually work hard 🥲

[ornate cliff]

Yee u do, I can send you a helpful post I found about the process, kinda quirky so it's good to know these things

[faint igloo]

location?

[lone copper]

ye sure thanks, I also have a few friends who are from Canadian unis who went through the process too so they gave me some advice

[lone copper]

I said above I don't want to share which location I am in for personal reasons but I said the position and company above

I just don't like putting personal info on the internet too much, privacy and shit ya know

*she but yeah

lel

specialized good, I had projects using the same architecture boards they used

it cool we all bros anyway

[obsidian crater]

[ornate cliff]

Cries in crud

[lone copper]

the thing about HW is it's less scalable so there's less jobs but also since it's a lot harder there's less people. Software is more jobs but more people, so it evens out the competition . either way specialized is good but specialize in things like not web dev bc everyone does that lol

[cobalt lake]

ah ok i understand, but NICE, congrats

hopefully once youre in the US itll be easier to get other US jobs (with US level salaries) as well

[lone copper]

embedded C and a bit of Assembly was listed on job application. I have used C++ but I did all my ARM embedded projects in C. Although some other jobs I was interviewing preffered C++, they said maybe Embedded Linux is good too

[obsidian crater]

GOAT

[lone copper]

ah ok nvm , I dont know enough about it then. I just hear a lot of people saying it's not worth

[obsidian crater]

C is easier than C++ unironically

[lone copper]

I use C and Python the most

[ornate cliff]

🐐🐐🐐🐐

[lone copper]

um yeah for sure it is

[obsidian crater]

My internship was embedded-ish in C and C++ and the C parts were way easier

[lone copper]

C++ has way more default functions and syntax, C++ is one of the hardest modern languages to learn imo

they mostly cared about HW knowlege like power and voltage stuff bc they work with energy, they said they prefer hiring ppl with strong EE fundemntals because the software stuff is really easy to teach/train but the HW stuff is not easy to train

[late kestrel]

EE too hard im a CoE and the cs classes were way easier

[lone copper]

yeah, I was more referring to entry level, I am a new grad so I was thinking for new grad web dev it's hard thing to specialize in because everyone does it

[ornate cliff]

Tesla?

[lone copper]

yeah fair, I think rn my courses are like 60% comp eng though they are def my easier courses rn

[obsidian crater]

I would've done Comp Eng

But my school is infamous for having a dogshit CE professor

She is insufferable

[lone copper]

I sometimes think what if I did comp eng instead but my knowlege in power , high level voltage ect was what gave me an edge for this job. Comp eng people don't take Power courses

[late kestrel]

outside of maybe networks and embedded what coe classes do yall have

[lone copper]

but if u just care about embedded CE is fine even CS is fine, I just liked learning EE stuff

[ornate cliff]

I feel like hardware has insane job security

[lone copper]

computer aided engineering (algorithm course kind of ? idk for the last project we had to train ML model to decode bayer , i guess just applying algorithms to coding), adv internet communications (sequel to networking course I took last sem), digital signal processing, computer communications networks, this is just 4th year stuff...but in prev years i took stuff like logic design (verilog) and like DSA

[lone copper]

yeah, and also some jobs can't be done remote

[timber rock]

Anyone know any good c++ courses or ways to learn c++ that aren’t leetcode? I accepted a c++ job but I’ve barely used it and don’t wanna embarrass myself

[paper basalt]

get a book like Starting out with C++ and do some of the assignments, also absolutely get experience with makefile / CMake

[lone copper]

I initially thought i'd go into power but it's kinda boring though really secure and can be high pay. But it would be like working with big power distribution company. uh they are kinda old fashion usually a bunch of old men working there so not fun vibe, but everyone needs power delievered to their house so that industry will never die

[lone copper]

https://www.learncpp.com/

[paper basalt]

if you only did 1 thing before starting, learn makefile

[neon tide]

Imma probably do a msce

[ornate cliff]

You're in trading firm right? I would make a typical finance project like an options pricer

[timber rock]

🤝thanku

[timber rock]

Yes

That’s a good plan

[mental stump]

C++ Primer will be a good tool book

[obsidian crater]

How did you get into a trading firm without using C++

[timber rock]

I have about 1.5 months between my internship ending and ft starting, so that’s probably enough to become half decent

[lone copper]

I was originally thinking about masters bc there are some parts of EE really more lower in the stack that you really want masters. I really liked signals but i have no clue what that kind of work is like

[ornate cliff]

Black Scholes options pricer in C++ is like the basic bitch project of quant lol

I kinda wanna do it for fun I been reading about it

[timber rock]

I just admitted to my interveiewers that I don’t know it and used them as a live c++ wiki during the technical LMAO

[ornate cliff]

😂

[obsidian crater]

bruh what

[ornate cliff]

That's some goat shit

[timber rock]

I know the syntax, I’ve used it a long time ago but idk the libraries that well

[obsidian crater]

I'd have gotten rejected fast af

[ornate cliff]

Check out the pinned posts in #quants-n-traders some nice resources

[timber rock]

They told me in previous rounds that they don’t judge based on c++ knowledge anyway, it’s based on ur problem solving blah blah

[ornate cliff]

Specifically cpp stuff like common patterns and optimizations bla bla

[timber rock]

Yeah I mean not all firms require c++

[obsidian crater]

gotcha thanks

[timber rock]

Mine also didn’t “require” it but they did make me do the oas and technical in it

[obsidian crater]

https://leetcode.com/discuss/interview-experience/3330304/my-first-interview-xr-trading-entry-level-c-software-engineer-remote-us-2023-failed

[lone copper]

yeah I had an interview that said "C or C++" but then in the interview they asked which I was more comfy in and I said I use C more these days but I am fine derusting in C++ and after that the guy was just like oh since you know python we could have you working in verification and testing and I was not interested in that

[obsidian crater]

that's so unusual

weakness in C++ destroys most quant interviews

[ornate cliff]

Maybe he's more swe and less quant where he's going it depends

[lone copper]

I had no time or else I would've brushed up on C++ and then not played down my skills but I didn't want to be fake as I probably would forget a lot of answers to more complex questions. but it worked out for the best, it was a really crappy cheap company

[timber rock]

Yes, it’s an swe role

Lots of firms don’t require c++, Optiver and hrt are two more examples, pretty sure cit is lang agnostic too

[brave forge]

would opengl count as c++ experience

[obsidian crater]

HRT requires C++ iirc

at least my OAs had to be in C++

[timber rock]

Hrt requires either c++ or python, you select which one you want to use when you apply

[obsidian crater]

Quant jobs feel insanely hard to get

[ornate cliff]

Yeah they're fucked

[teal jackal]

yeah quant pretty much treats hiring as a form of social science

but i get it

a lot of demand for devs wanting to join quant

[ornate cliff]

In addition to LC hards as standard, it's all the random math tests too

[obsidian crater]

Just be top school, C++ wizard, have finance knowledge, be good at math/statistics and solve leetcode hards in 40 minutes bro

ez

[timber rock]

They basically told me in the offer call that i explained what I was trying to do well and that I only tripped up at the std library method names and whatnot, which is easy to learn

[ornate cliff]

Ya you right

Idk what a swe at quant does

[obsidian crater]

C++ low latency magic

[lone copper]

Assembly >>>>

lowest latency

[south sable]

what the

they're doing this to interns???

[paper basalt]

Lol

im doing the quizzes rn on learncpp.com see if i can make the cut

[lunar hatch]

Lots of places are language agnostic

First not sure about the bar in uk

Also among us hft places

2sig/cit/JS absolutely language agnostic

For entry level

[timber rock]

Oh yeah forgot about js as well

[lunar hatch]

yeah but i mean for language agnostic places they gotta have some high bars in other aspects

so in general still fair

[obsidian crater]

True

No way I'm getting in lol

[lime moth]

Where do you find smaller firms tho

[lunar hatch]

that's related to how to define smaller firms

if by size some smaller firms are picky as f

like pdt partners

and 5r

[timber rock]

I dunno tbh I got here from a cold application on linkedin lmfao

[timber rock]

I meant like less prestigious ones I guess

[prisma flax]

You went to prestigious school in uk?

[lunar hatch]

yeah that might be the case

[timber rock]

Yep t5

[lunar hatch]

i've never had any success getting pdt and 5r interviews

[ornate cliff]

whats t5 in the UK

[lunar hatch]

that's insanely difficult

[ornate cliff]

other than oxford and cambridge lol

[obsidian crater]

UK exists

?

[lunar hatch]

oh and tower

[timber rock]

Oxford Cambridge Imperial Edinburgh UCL

[ornate cliff]

uefa champions league?

[obsidian crater]

small trading firms don't reply sometimes lol

[prisma flax]

I like Edinburgh business courses

LSE is also dope but dont know i just felt edinburg was also good, found business analytics was good

[timber rock]

Bro who deleted that LSE comment lmfao

LSE sucks for cs

It’s definitely t5 for some other subjects

[prisma flax]

Imperial data science is dope from what i heard

Economics and business i guess lse t5

[timber rock]

Yeah for sure

[prisma flax]

I feel like getting into t5 - t10 in uk is lot easier, those t5 are different league compared to other universities

[timber rock]

Yeah I mean if you look at world rankings, ucl is like t25 but the one after that is kings which is way down at like rank 60

[prisma flax]

yea, how about bristol?

bath?

are they good?

[timber rock]

They are well respected in the uk

I’d probably put bristol above bath but tbh I don’t know much about bath uni

[prisma flax]

was thinking to go for bristol or edinburgh for business analytics

I heard bath has strong Business programs

[timber rock]

I go to edinburgh but don’t know much about the business school tbh

[prisma flax]

yea but for jobs they suggest being around london

[obsidian crater]

scoissh

[prisma flax]

also heards like queens a lot

[timber rock]

It doesn’t matter that much, you can just apply to jobs in london if you want

[obsidian crater]

If you did you'd be deported

unless you graduated in december

[hardy hinge]

any reviews for itility US ? couldnt find much on the web

[brave forge]

same here

my intern place paying new-grad like 110k in kansas city which is super good, but intern is only $18/hr and they only hired 4 SWE interns. On the bright side, last year they hired back all their interns for new-grad and they had 8 soo

[livid yew]

@obsidian crater

Any offers this week

[obsidian crater]

0

[livid yew]

Rip

See if Google Maps is hiring

[obsidian crater]

Might get a government internship

[livid yew]

This shit broken as all hell today

[obsidian crater]

Since my interviewer said I did very well

[livid yew]

App keeps crashing

[obsidian crater]

I can fix it /s

[livid yew]

Just trying to navigate around cluster fuck jersey

[obsidian crater]

New Joisey

[prisma flax]

safari is also crashing a lot recently

[obsidian crater]

sad comcast filled position

[bold pier]

Bruh why are startups having 6 rounds of interview, I'm tired after 2 itself

[obsidian crater]

even funnier thing is that it still says "active" on workday

workday is a pos system

[grizzled bronze]

That's not on Workday though to be fair, some companies are shit about updating portal statuses

[livid yew]

These are mostly backfill

I don't think we are opening a lot of "new" roles

[mossy fiber]

tiktok is so cringe. They schedule interviews during 7pm to 9pm

[brave forge]

it is probably so you can talk to the motherland

[neon tide]

[mossy fiber]

ic

they only give me 7pm to 9pm or 10pm to 12pm

[grizzled bronze]

Too bad companies aren't more transparent about that

At least some companies have good recruiters that are transparent. Like one told me the listing was only for an already identified candidate.

[lone rapids]

Would you accept a 80k offer in missouri or a 70k in san diego

[obsidian crater]

80K missouri

70k san diego is

[lone rapids]

But crime rate

Is insane

[obsidian crater]

where

St Louis?

[lone rapids]

Yes

[obsidian crater]

Live in a suburb

[lone rapids]

Sd has safety weather and beaches st louis has 85k for first year and much lower cost living

[lone rapids]

U know anything about the south side

[obsidian crater]

no

But cali rents are like 2k

So that'll eat away at your income

[lone rapids]

Thats on lower side and far from my work place in sd

[obsidian crater]

:F

[lone rapids]

In 2k in st louis i can get a apartment closer to work place and it will also include utilities

But crime

And no diversity

[fleet kiln]

citadel imc and two sigma have a significant amount of non cpp teams

js/cit is language agnostic

jump and hrt have python roles

[obsidian crater]

hmm

[lone rapids]

What if st louis is 100k

[obsidian crater]

depends on your finances

[livid yew]

St Louis ain't that bad bro

Well depends where in SL

[lone rapids]

I mean i have no debt

[lone rapids]

I wanna live in the safest place lol

In st louis

[livid yew]

Oh I mean I don't know SL that well

Lol

Every city is going to have crime

[lone rapids]

But st louis tops the chart lol

[livid yew]

Does it really?

[obsidian crater]

yeah

[lone rapids]

Yes

[obsidian crater]

Why not just live in a suburb

[grizzled bronze]

Defense company?

[obsidian crater]

Drive into the city

[lone rapids]

International

[obsidian crater]

Suburbs are safe

[livid yew]

Idk bro I see a lot of shootings/theft daily in Philadelphia

[late kestrel]

stl crime is super localized to the IL side and the north of the MO side

[lone rapids]

I’ll look into that for sure

[livid yew]

Yep

[late kestrel]

just stick to just west of the city

[livid yew]

Yeah fuck IL

[obsidian crater]

You better watch out before you become a Philly statistic

[livid yew]

You think I don't carry?

[obsidian crater]

[livid yew]

Gotta be careful when I open my glove box lol

[lone rapids]

How is tower grove east in st louis

[livid yew]

[obsidian crater]

I like this emote

[prisma flax]

that's some crazy shit

[grizzled bronze]

[lone rapids]

So either i can enjoy great weather diversity beavhes at the expense of no savings at all in sd or risk in st louis for decent bit more

[late kestrel]

is that great weather, diversity

or great weather diversity

[lone rapids]

This sir

[late kestrel]

what are the two companies

that matters too

[lone rapids]

Startup in sd and st louis is midsize company

[obsidian crater]

Honestly I've worked in startups before and

Not for me

[late kestrel]

im from the midwest so id be picking stl in a heartbeat and i dont even like stl all that much

[lone rapids]

All because of higher tc?

[late kestrel]

at the end of the day are you gonna look for a better job in 2-3 years?

[ornate cliff]

i carry my v card

[late kestrel]

if yes, might as well save 20-40k in the bank and move on

[grizzled bronze]

Nice, your valentine must be really nice

[brave forge]

which company in MO?

there's only like 10 in the whole state lmaoo

[lone rapids]

Lmaoo. I’ll not disclose right now

[south sable]

and you're sure it's not because of a time zone difference?

because if it's otherwise, that's kinda whack

[livid yew]

[ornate cliff]

all positions are filled it's not you it's them

[tardy geode]

the problem was with the path it had ":" which was not allowed

[ornate cliff]

would you guys put an Interests section if you had room?

[timber rock]

i probably wouldnt but i dont think it'll hurt as long as you're not removing anything to fit it

[lone rapids]

I would put another project even a school one

[bold pier]

I wish multi page resumes were a thing, I hate omitting so much nice stuff just coz it's not cool

[brave forge]

You can do 2 pages I think a lot of experienced people do

[ornate cliff]

ya maybe if you're 5+ YOE I feel like

[bold pier]

I have enough content for 3 pages with 3 yoe

[sleek owl]

Does SoFi ask System design or OOD in the on-site?

[fallen fox]

they asked me java ood

after the 1st leetcode round

[sleek owl]

Thanks!!

[fallen fox]

afaik sofi doesn't ask new grads sys design

[fallen fox]

bootcamp grads on suicide watch

[lone rapids]

You got one yesterday?

can a verbal offer be cancelled if I counter offer with 30% more

[brave forge]

Ya lol

[lone rapids]

but it is in the salary range

of the job

[teal jackal]

They're hard to find and besides, if it's easy to get into its that way for a reason

[shut thistle]

which>

[shut crescent]

i havent heard u can get a job without a degree in a while now

where did they all go

[obsidian crater]

suicide watch

[shut crescent]

nah man u dont need a degree

remember

[paper basalt]

that was largely a while ago, or if you have mega experience they can forgo the degree

[brave forge]

well there's this new way of skirting around that and bootcamps with online degrees like WGU now

[paper basalt]

my friend makes 217k with no cs degree but hes got almost 20 years experience across devops/linux

[brave forge]

you can get a degree in 6-12 months and be equal to any other new grad

[shut crescent]

yeah but imagine not having a degree rn and no experience

[paper basalt]

yea it is the way

[brave forge]

granted u have to actually be smart and know leetcode and build all your own projects and land internships but it's still possible

[shut crescent]

yup

[paper basalt]

cs degree is a formal entry token for it all now days, despite how bad it is now, it wont always be so bad

[shut crescent]

those are the people we are saying are on suicidal watch

[brave forge]

feels like cs degree barely gets u anywhere though

it's like they just check off the box and then ignore it after

[shut crescent]

people were saying no matter what, u dont need a degree to get a CS related "new grad" equivalent job

[paper basalt]

cybersec is about the most liberal entry level where they might let you earn certs in the mean time but thats kind of drying up too

the government is desperate for them but the skills are complicated to obtain and get certified for

[brave forge]

i thought cyber sec had no entry level

[shut crescent]

everythings drying up lmao

they acted like there isnt going to be more and more competition as the years go

[brave forge]

cs degree is legit too easy to get

[paper basalt]

ya it is problematic you can hand a cs degree over on a thumb drive

[brave forge]

engineering degrees are soo much harder and my friends in engineering have no trouble finding jobs

[paper basalt]

we have it better than EE/Mech eng by far

their work is also more difficult

id say

[brave forge]

ya their course work is INTENSE but they are always guranteed a job, although pay is low like 70k or 80k is considered good

[shut crescent]

their work is way more difficult lol

i clock in 9 am clock out 2pm and dont do shit right now

[obsidian crater]

CS is not easy either

[paper basalt]

some mech eng jobs are absolutely grueling

[brave forge]

cs work isn't easy but the degree is at most universities, unless your somewhere high ranked

[obsidian crater]

top 40 school I guess

I probably have to study like 50 hours a week

[shut crescent]

i mean u can get Cs and get the degree too

[obsidian crater]

Classwork + homework + lectures

[shut crescent]

so its not even hard at all

[obsidian crater]

I mean sure

You can half ass anything and call it easy

[brave forge]

i study like < 5 hours a week rn lol and after this term im down to 4 classes left

[shut crescent]

getting a degree is dogshit easy lol

[paper basalt]

code beggars/cheaters all thru my uni

they can go the entire way doing it

[obsidian crater]

My uni has MOSS and a really strict academic integrity policy

[brave forge]

ya this stuff, it iss o easy to cheat your way through uni in CS

group projects also help u get by

[paper basalt]

chegg etc, and now chatgpt gfg

you dont need to know shit

[shut crescent]

i mean i think we all cheated on our assignments lol

[brave forge]

exactlyy and no one is checking code quality and maintainability

[shut crescent]

most professors say if u look at external sources and if its not ur own idea then ur cheating

[paper basalt]

ya we all looked at code or chegg a bit but if you actually finished a project there is some original polish there for sure

[shut crescent]

uni process is actually very stupid lol its all a business

[paper basalt]

theres slackers that just skate the whole way thru

[shut crescent]

u actually dont really learn that much shit from it

especially california schools

all those professors are there for research money

[brave forge]

with my uni they re use the exact same course and same project requirements for everyone, and they also require you to upload it to github to submit it. So everyones project is on github and it is soo easy to see the final code and do the same thing

[shut crescent]

they legit gave me $7.2k per quarter cuz they had to get rid of money before the year ended lol

[paper basalt]

yea that github upload is scary lol

i read something like it even looks at how shit was compiled, not even variable names etc

tree structures can be analyzed

[obsidian crater]

University is really annoying

[brave forge]

what are u on about

[obsidian crater]

They teach a lot of theory nonsense

[shut crescent]

yup lol u literally can search one line and the entire shit pops up

[obsidian crater]

That doesn't help with getting a job

[paper basalt]

yea

[obsidian crater]

Profs expect me to give a shit about their stupid class

When I want a job

[shut crescent]

bro my job is completely different to what i was learning in my classes lmao

majority of that shit is useless

[brave forge]

exactly none of that is useful but you get the degree which checks off the box and now u can focus on other sutff

i could of gotten the same internships i have now and passed the interviews out of high school

[obsidian crater]

honestly the whole leetcode thing is useless too

[paper basalt]

i started my cs degree in my 30s i wish like hell i'd done it after hs

[obsidian crater]

but whatever

we can't do much about it

[shut crescent]

more than useless lmao

[brave forge]

im graduating this year at 20 lol hope im working full time either late this year or beginning next year at 21

[paper basalt]

its a lot of timing and luck

get the right interviewer in a good mood on the right day

[shut crescent]

yeah lol

some people at amazon got in cuz they were asked two sum

[brave forge]

well dont most companies have like 3 - 5 rounds so u have to go through like 3-6 interviewers

[shut crescent]

not all them are technical though

[brave forge]

some of my interviews have been 1 phone and 1 swe interview though

[obsidian crater]

Not bad

[fallen fox]

zon 1x30

[paper basalt]

"ok monkey, play 4d chess, you have 29 minutes to go"

hopefully i can stay at my job thru 1 promotion and yes, learn some leetcode while finding some kind of project to work on a little bit

work will be a lot of embedded and python testing maybe, so i want to get back into web/app stuff, maybe kotlin

trust me you dont want management promotions early in your career

i got promoted to e-5 in military and i got pulled from the bench to be a desk jockey

[autumn iris]

How early did u guys start applying to jobs

[paper basalt]

december-january for december grad

[autumn iris]

I graduate in december 2023 and its not looking good atm

dont think im gunna get a summer intern

[paper basalt]

holidays hiring shuts down in december

but january it goes boom

[ornate cliff]

I wish I started earlier 😂

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

Wat

[paper basalt]

i applied all last year, but heaviest once i graduated

i got much better responses after graduation

[autumn iris]

doesnt process take forvever though

I was planning on applying in june

Well if i dont get internship, i prep for like 1-2months

[paper basalt]

ya ofc apply early, mid semester it just gets hard to devote numerous apps a day with a big workload

its very time consuming

[autumn iris]

My last semester is chill for that reason

[paper basalt]

if youre customizing the resume and app etc

[autumn iris]

[brave forge]

that's why i switched to min enrollment

[paper basalt]

i had a fuckin capstone class building a fullstack website with 2 shitty teammates

[brave forge]

so i have a ton of time to focus on interviewing

[brave forge]

where do these people go after they graduate lol

[paper basalt]

moms couch and fortnite

[brave forge]

could have done that without uni

do u have them on linkedin?

[paper basalt]

they dont have linkedin lol

nah guess 1 does but 1 doesnt

[livid yew]

no linkedin

[paper basalt]

no linked in, no bitches for sure

my groupmate bruh

[outer radish]

Yo did u actually

Cause im boutta graduate and i aint gettin shit rn so im hoping things pick up later on in the summer

[shut thistle]

2023 will apply in 2024 links 😦

[paper basalt]

april is probably cooling off for sure, but cycles are all different and shit

i did yeah

you never really know just gotta keep at it, it sucks

[paper basalt]

i had weird stuff happen, interview with northrop, got rejected via email, then month later northrop recruiter "yo i think u a good fit for this job" lmao, after i got a job elsewhere

[obsidian crater]

lo

I hope that happens to me

[fallen fox]

my vmware portal says i got rejected but recruiter sent oa?

lmao what

[obsidian crater]

One day that MSFT recruiter will be like "Yo free job homie"

[paper basalt]

hopefully in like 5-10 years all the scuffed hr crap gets cleaned up

like i had one interview from a job fair, then she didnt save any info correctly on their platform, so 2nd round guys were like uhh we dont see anything for your first notes

and this high level data officer said "so what would you like to do here" rip

i had the floor for a moment and said look im looking for an entry level software role, ill learn anything, nada

[brave forge]

everyone that interviews for microsoft says the process is terrible, ig it is hit or miss

idk how they get people

[paper basalt]

i mean you just know it has to be , when probably hundreds or thousands are in and out of a big shop each year

[sleek owl]

imagine interviewing for google and neetcode is one of interviewers

[mossy fiber]

any good resource for preparing QA Eng interview?

[brave forge]

if the interviewer looks indian then it probably is him

he doesnt sound indian so you wouldn't tell right off he grew up in america i guess

[sleek owl]

neetcode is indian? i didnt know that actually

[brave forge]

ye

he made a post

[sleek owl]

thats so dope

i always thought he was white lol

[brave forge]

i actually was shocked also. it's because he grew up in america and not india so he didnt learn indian english

[jolly mist]

https://www.udemy.com/course/software-testing-interview-masterclass-ace-the-qa-interview/

use the udemy free trial

amazing resource

[shut crescent]

what company

look on glassdoor

ask someone on linkedin whos a QA at that same company and ask them what the interview process is like

[mossy fiber]

tiktok

[shut crescent]

i always just add someone on tiktok whos working at the same place i applied for

with like less than 1 yr experience there and just ask them what the interview process is

[obsidian crater]

996 incoming

[cobalt lake]

I wonder if I could recognize his voice in an interview

[cobalt lake]

you still got 2024 recruiting season

"up to 1 year after grad is considered new grad" gonna come in clutch

[outer radish]

boutta collect 2024 new grad offers like a pack of nuggies

[cobalt lake]

wendy's nuggies 💯

[split plaza]

lol 2024 is about to be the most brutal by a massive margin, considering both current cycle applicants and more previous cycle applicants than usual + lower HC than normal (probably)

[grizzled bronze]

Feds are predicting a mild recession later this year

2024 new grad season will still be great though

[livid yew]

Haven't we been in a recession since 2020?

[grizzled bronze]

Nope, we got covid stipends and our stocks/crypto portfolio went up

[livid yew]

My crypto is wayy down

I never got the COVID check

[grizzled bronze]

You serious? I thought everyone gets the relief checks

[obsidian crater]

I thought you said you knew nothing about crypto

[livid yew]

[sleek owl]

can international students who are filing as residents for tax purposes claim paid tuition?

[obsidian crater]

bro ask a lawyer or your school advisor or something

[sonic coral]

Not if you’re a dependent

[azure zephyr]

anybody here have the seattle new grad discord link?

[swift falcon]

friday night rejection email

feelsgoodman

[neon tide]

[languid pond]

tfw invited to a call to be rejected over a call and they tell you it's because an internal candidate with more experience applied

just reject me over email man don't raise my hope like this

[shut thistle]

if it was new grad, how can someone with experience get in?

[languid pond]

Wasn't explicitly a new grad position, just labelled as like "level 1"

[shut thistle]

gotcha

[tardy geode]

its gonna be a circus

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

how tf are people getting interviews

there's this dude at my uni who is giving interviews each fking week since the sem has started

might have already got somethin

[fallen fox]

is he intl?

[fallen fox]

💀

[obsidian crater]

I feel like smartr is a waste of time

[pastel bane]

when you learn a new language/framework, such as DJango/React, where do you find the corresponding projects to do? and hence write them on your resume

[neon tide]

Github

https://tenor.com/view/copy-paste-paste-copy-ctrl-c-ctrl-v-gif-12913156

[errant karma]

YouTube

[pastel bane]

For example, I want to learn Django, so I just search Django on github?

[neon tide]

I was kidding lol

About copying others projects

I’d agree YouTube and watch others / code along, and then spin off their ideas into your own

[prisma flax]

Combining projects allowed it to be more comprehensive and sounds complex

[delicate lantern]

What would be better masters of computer science information systems and masters of computer science computation

*Cough *cough which one would pay more and not have me pull out my hair

[sleek owl]

computation sounds fancier

[delicate lantern]

it does sound like it'll pay more

there's also this
Computer Science - Health Informatics M.S.

does not sound as fancy

[neon tide]

computer science computation for sure

[tacit grove]

wtf

[swift falcon]

yeah, what is his resume like?

[tardy geode]

💀

[tardy geode]

yea and he international

[timber rock]

everyone getting jobs next week

[faint umbra]

u have 3 offers what do u want ❓

[neon tide]

4 offers apparently

[timber rock]

i want the rest of the people here to get offers

im chilling now but i had no offers from sept until 2 weeks ago so i been thru this with the gang

[faint umbra]

Thnx for thinking for all of us are still looking.

[obsidian crater]

[tardy geode]

you deserve that , the grind paid off brother . congrats

[timber rock]

I feel woefully unprepared but I appreciate it 😂

[tacit grove]

which companies did you get the 3 offers at?

[timber rock]

Full time at <redacted> and cognizant, and internship at a local tech company

Accepted <redacted> and the summer internship

[fossil jewel]

nothing but vibes here

[brave forge]

uk market looking better then usa lol

[late kestrel]

dont look at the salary diff

[fossil jewel]

nah ik the UK has less jobs tho

[timber rock]

Yeah I mean you’re not gonna get US-level salaries anywhere else except switzerland. But we have the highest swe salaries other than those countries so I’m chilling

[fossil jewel]

but then again look at the UK size wise

[timber rock]

It’s pretty bad, we have way less companies, most of the companies people here talk about are completely unknown over here

[timber rock]

But it does seem easier to get responses from my sample size of 3 people

[fossil jewel]

less applicants im guessing

[timber rock]

Not sure what it’s like in the US but 1-2k isn’t uncommon

Assuming over there it goes way higher

[ornate cliff]

hes wishing other good fortune chill out

[swift falcon]

I claim this for myself (and others ofc)

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836269

[sleek owl]

Why is 2k taking so long after the take home

[timber rock]

[swift falcon]

[tardy geode]

[fallen fox]

[brave forge]

:prayge: :prayge: :prayge: :prayge: :prayge::prayge:

[delicate lantern]

[livid yew]

[split plaza]

[outer radish]

I AM GOING TO GET JOB

I AM GOING TO GET MONEY

[sleek owl]

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[ornate cliff]

apparently I'm white

[obsidian crater]

whiteboy

[ornate cliff]

[fossil jewel]

ah thats been there for a while

lol

[autumn jolt]

[errant karma]

spreading the love I see

[stray imp]

Has anyone interviewed with Citi before for software development analyst?

[kindred latch]

yea

[oblique wasp]

was anyone able to apply at Navan (Trip Actions)?

[obsidian crater]

ydah

[oblique wasp]

Anyone interviewed at SoFi this week?

[ornate cliff]

I did

[oblique wasp]

oh okay
Is there any option to set job alert on their page?
Cos in the grad postings channel, it was posted during midnight and when I tried to open the link in the morning, it was inactive

[ornate cliff]

just set alert on the postings channel?

that's how I caught it

oh you mean in case it reappears?

[oblique wasp]

Yes

[ornate cliff]

no clue

[oblique wasp]

Cool
Thanks!

[fading sphinx]

OH MY GOSH, I RANDOMLY CHECKED IN ON SERVER AND FOUND YOU HERE

[outer radish]

LMAOOO MY BOYYYY

[ornate cliff]

Did y'all meet at Jane Street

[fading sphinx]

he was my roomie

[bold pier]

New scam just dropped

[swift falcon]

excellent grammar

“Base on your experience, happy to inform you..”

[bold pier]

Apparently it's a fake check scam

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/12dmy0r/is_this_a_scam/

[swift falcon]

ouch

another way to make job hunting miserable

[jovial latch]

i actually got something like that too tbh lol, incredibly obvious its a scam

it did make me very upset scammers are fuckin targeting new grads trying to find a god damn job though

[bold pier]

Might as well reply, at least I will have a fake offer

[jovial latch]

nah, i aint wasting my time with that shit

[bold pier]

Would make good youtube content though, scam the scammers

[jovial latch]

theres a whole bunch of that shit on youtube

indians really have to stop faking american accents tbh

[bold pier]

I don't even try, but my Indian accent is so weird people assume im from Europe

[jovial latch]

probably better tat way tbh

idk

[final ore]

Please roast 🥹 https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1097000195687989248

[ornate cliff]

Gotchu

[final ore]

Thank you very much that was really detailed and helped me alot....

[final ore]

Any other suggestions?

[dusky lark]

Tiktok careers site is soft-blocked via my ISP

Is it just me

[misty pilot]

Is anyone here familiar with the OPT and STEM OPT process

I had a couple of questions regarding what I can answer to my employer on an interview

" Company will not sponsor applicants for work visas in connection with this position. Future sponsorship will not be considered." Do you think I will qualify for this position even though I need OPT?

[fallen fox]

no

99.9% of the time they will just instantly reject you, 0.1% they might if you're giga cracked or they're really desperate

[misty pilot]

I mean I answered no to the question of do you need a sponsorship because I genuinely don't need a sponsorship. I am planning to go back to my country after my STEM OPT ends

And as per my understanding, STEM OPT and OPT don't count as sponsorship??

Ok so I still have a chance lol

So I can answer no, cause I don't need it right?

I might as well get the interview experience lol, I finally have passed an OA

But do you think that burns the bridge to the company in the future? Like will they flag me for future?

[sleek owl]

What if I am using my opt first year but I won’t need sponsorship because I am applying to family based adjustment of status. Do I put “No”?

[tardy geode]

sunday prayge for the upcoming week

[tacit grove]

yesss

[split plaza]

[worthy aspen]

Lots of things can change in the future. If saying yes under the mere assumption that my situation will remain unchanged is also in many ways deceiving. Matter of fact, I could in fact pack my bags and leave requiring no sponsorship, and my answer to vague questions as such has always been no, no i dont need sponsorship. With my OPT, i dont need sponsorship and Id rather not commit to any of my 3year goals ahead of time. And yeah certain companies will have a hard requirement where they will reject you towards the end because presumably you’d still require one if things stay thr same, but thats a topic for once you get past those stages. I’ve seen countless of my friends who are working with companies that said no. And im talking about industries and roles that arent even tech and just dont sponsor. I think being able to have that conversation is necessary. If a company rejects you because of that in the offer stage, well they wouldve rejected you when you applied anyway. But you miss out on an interview experience and the opportunity to explain yourself

Im not deceiving if im saying no i dont need sponsorship in the future. I’d be deceiving tho if they ask if im on opt and would require status changes. It boils down on the question they are asking me. If its vague, my answer is no to sponsorship

[quick wraith]

Is that true even If you have an H1B?

I am a new grad and I got picked in the lottery

[worthy aspen]

What if i jump ships? I dont think its any mental hoops. But i dont like playing by vague corporate questionnaires when Ive literally seen companies changing mid employment to hey ill sponsor you when they explicitly made it clear during hiring they wont. Im saying all this cause i’ve seen these play out

I’d also be lying if i say i didnt see companies rejecting once they figured out. So its how you wanna play it. Being chicken will most likely never get you an interview which most internationals struggle w

[sleek owl]

I had a final interview with a company that said "no sponsorship now or in the future" but when looking at h1b database they do have "graduate developer"

[quick wraith]

They might have to sponsor for a green card ?

or they might just flake on it

[worthy aspen]

What you said in your last sentence is the key. You gotta know what you’re up against if you decide to play by this. Quite honestly at this point, i have nothing to lose

[sleek owl]

i am not planning on getting h1b though because i am filing for my green card this june, and i have my opt for the mean time

i mean i didnt get the offer yet lol

but i guess i will cross that bridge when i am there

[worthy aspen]

My point quite honestly is to not lie when asked explicitly during an interview about my plans. But i dont wanna set myself up for failure right away depriving me of an interview because of vague questions asked in an application to weed folks out

I get everything you are saying thats common sense stuff. But at the end of the day you are there for yourself. The lense im speaking out of is, I wanna take my chances and be able to speak my situation. After the speaking, if they dont wanna go with me thats fine w me, but if they do by saying they wont sponsor regardless, hey i get the job. I get all that but I dont wanna play chicken especially after seeing countless of my friends make it through by saying no to that question. Again, they got rejected from 90% of the places after saying no, but some did go through

[fallen fox]

[swift falcon]

guys what if we just started our own company?

we can just make some bullshit CRUD app to sell or sth

[obsidian crater]

Who's buying

[swift falcon]

we all just get paid in experience

so it doesn’t matter

[obsidian crater]

Just call yourself a cofounder

[swift falcon]

we could call it CSC Dynamics

like age?

[sleek owl]

Me

[swift falcon]

I am 32

[sleek owl]

I just turned 26 and I don’t feel old at all

[swift falcon]

I am feeling like if I don't get a job soon i'm going to start getting discriminated against in job searches

[sleek owl]

Everyone has their path

[sleek owl]

Do they do that?

[obsidian crater]

It's feeling doomed

[ornate cliff]

Not that old... And no one cares about age in swe

[autumn iris]

how long u guys spent prepping+job applying

[swift falcon]

i mean ive heard abt it but maybe not 30-40

and maybe my info is bad

[timber rock]

8 months before I got my first offer

[autumn iris]

did u start prepping in school

or was it 8 months after graduation

[timber rock]

Yeah I started around aug/sep right before my final year started

And got offers in april

[autumn iris]

[brave forge]

thats a lot of prep

how many leetcode

i feel like most companies like older people more then younger people

think about it, im a 20 yr old new grad interviewing and i have like meh social skills and only a few years of work experience since I was 18. Not really much life to talk about, i got the degree and i have some projects and a few internships and some leetcode skills.

meanwhile a 30 yr old has a decade of skills and jobs and work to talk about along with a lot more life experience so they can navigate interviews a lot better and are usually closer in age to the interviewers so it's more 1 to 1

[timber rock]

not much, you can see im very inconsistent lmfao

i pretty much leetcoded for like 1-2 weeks prior to interviews, until around march where i burned out and just winged them

134 solved total

[brave forge]

were your interview questions easy or medium level? i have heard UK leetcode interviews are easier

[timber rock]

i'd say like 80% medium, 20% easy

i didnt run into any hards this season luckily

[brave forge]

im friends with a developer in the UK and he messages me like wtf are algorithms and why are they doing an assessment on that and then im like u got to practice leetcode and he says he'll just do his best and then he lands the job like wtf that stuff must be so much easier then here

if it's 80% medium that's like on par with here most companies ask mediums anyways

[timber rock]

leetcode is less common here than it is in the us tho

a lot of my interviews were more job-related like build a system that calculates the loss and gain of stocks or something

but at big tech yeah it seems to be about the same

[worthy aspen]

Thats what I’m thinking too, i say thats a cofounder match right there lol

[magic acorn]

Is there any cisco new grads server link ?

[tacit grove]

maybe check in the server links channel

[errant karma]

Have you all seen this

Oops wrong server. I meant to send to the intern one

[obsidian crater]

So sick of seeing software engineer 1 / jr positions that require 2 years of experience

[brave forge]

ikr

i almost want to say i have a year with internships lol

[swift falcon]

you know what’s insulting

my sister in law’s husband makes more than I do

he’s a college drop out and is literally like an estimator for machinery

i have a master’s degree

what gives?

I literally got a pay raise this year and I still make 1k less than he does

smh

[obsidian crater]

Wait until you hear about this college dropout named Zuckerberg

[lament summit]

no ones stopping u from switching to machinery

hes just gonna b at that same salary forever, whereas u will always go up

dont compare urself to jobs where there is no trajectory

[timber rock]

cs students complaining about money is the funniest thing

[lament summit]

fr

[swift falcon]

bruh pls

where job doe?

[ornate cliff]

Apply anyway you're goated

[iron lily]

You mean your brother? lmao

[swift falcon]

nah lol

my sister in law is my wife’s sister

he’s her husband

[iron lily]

o true 🤦‍♂️

I’m dense for that

[swift falcon]

i mean tbh

i just kinda say it like that

but idk if I should just say brother in law

[vital leaf]

when will I get job

[swift falcon]

this week

[swift falcon]

we will get offers

[onyx sparrow]

this week

[vital leaf]

[ornate cliff]

RAMP ghosted me... fuck them 😭

[ornate cliff]

I just got an email that my job application "has been forwarded to a hiring manager"

that's new 😂

[prisma flax]

Oh I thought its still sunday night won’t get any response

[bold pier]

Nah man, getting rejections through out the night!

[misty fable]

hahaha i've been getting 3am rejections

i wonder where some companies outsource their HR to

[fallen fox]

early morning rejection first day of the week FeelsGoodMan

[livid yew]

@fallen fox I see job in your future

[fallen fox]

[late kestrel]

@livid yew

[obsidian crater]

[livid yew]

@obsidian crater

[swift falcon]

[tardy geode]

I want to just lay down and cry

[obsidian crater]

same prayge

[west egret]

[tardy geode]

Its so frustrating , that even when your resume matches so much with the job description you get outright rejected

[timber rock]

[brave forge]

aren't u international? maybe they do not do sponsorship

[jaunty storm]

I’ve had resumes that 100% matched. Still missed it.

LeetCode alone is not enough to pass interviews.

So I coded a bot that will try to convince me to not give in to my depression.

I’m going to add it to telegram as well. The dark stuff that some in my group chat deal with has me concerned. I did it to keep them safe.

[teal jackal]

Yes! The anime girl pfp is very important tbh

in all seriouesness good idea

[swift falcon]

I remember seeing a while back some statistics about the liklihood of getting a job via knowing someone at the target company vs actually applying

I searched it and found an article from 2016 and people kind of ragging on it for the sample size of like 3k people

now I'm wondering if we actually have any good data on this? has anyone read anything related to this recently?

[obsidian crater]

Knowing someone is better

How much better idk

[swift falcon]

yeah I can only see anecdotal stuff on reddit rn, and there is one person that has commented they've seen it actually work inversely (someone who knew someone that applied put in a bad word for them)

[lone rapids]

How can i counter offer when my first counter got declined and they wanna stay on original offer

[woven berry]

I can personally say this is how I landed my job lol

[swift falcon]

interesting, care to expand?

was it like a friend or former co-worker?

[woven berry]

college friend

A lot of the times its about who you know not what you know. Not saying what you know doesnt matter, it matters a lot but who you know matters even more for some jobs lol

I think linkedin is a pretty good place to start

https://tenor.com/view/connection-its-about-connection-40yr-old-virgin-mooj-steve-carell-gif-20490652

[swift falcon]

I have 30 connections

perhaps I should aggresively connect with people

[woven berry]

You dont have to aggressively connect, but maybe messaging a recruiter or someone that works in that company and express your interest could work

Having the technical ability should still be your prio but you should be doing both imho

[tardy geode]

bruh i have had this same shit with companies that sponsor

[tawdry nacelle]

and you made it Fiora from Xeno 1?

[jaunty storm]

[jaunty storm]

Once I get the proper text detector and dedicated messages written I was going to name it Sharla.

[tawdry nacelle]

I'm debating at this point copying the job description into my resume at 1 point font and white font color

[tawdry nacelle]

should've made it best girl, Reyn

[jaunty storm]

Reyn is for memes.

[tawdry nacelle]

I feel like I'll be able to really beef up my resume once I finish this semester and actually have free time for personal projects

I already started making a list of personal projects I wanna make

[swift falcon]

make a To Do app for all the projects you want to make

[tawdry nacelle]

you act like I have time to make even that rn

I just have a list in my notes app

and rn have a rough idea of what I'm gonna use to code each project

[swift falcon]

but imagine if it was stored in a database accessed through REST calls with a desktop or web app front end?

[tawdry nacelle]

that wouldn't even beef up my resume, gotta do more unique projects

[swift falcon]

like what?

💀

[grizzled bronze]

I'm targeting $300K new grad for 2024, gonna land two jobs and be overemployed 🤑

[swift falcon]

side note: shouldI wait until tuesday to follow up by email, or should I send it out today? It just hit the 2 week mark since my interviews.

I read sth about monday being a bad day, seems kind of dumb

[grizzled bronze]

Follow up now

There is no "bad day"

[swift falcon]

amen

[prisma flax]

am also thinking about the same thing, I had my interview last monday so it's been a week

should I wait a bit more or follow up?

[swift falcon]

I think it's generally 2 weeks to wait right?

[grizzled bronze]

I would do it now, I've always followed up after a week unless they gave me a further out time

[prisma flax]

Yea it's usually 2 weeks but I have some hard deadlines to meet, wanted to know if am moving forward or not

[prisma flax]

Yea, they mentioned 3-4 days

[swift falcon]

dang now i'm questioning my entire existence

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-13611303

Follow up with a thank you email within 48 hours by sending to [e-mail] or your recruiter.
they had this listed in their interviewing tips and I didn't do this fml

[livid yew]

🧢

[young peak]

Unemployed cscd folk in a nutshell

[swift falcon]

fuck me

just sent the wrong date in a follow up email

fml

GOOD BYE

[south sable]

just send a reply with the correction

[swift falcon]

like how should I say it

"I apologize for the follow-on reply, I just wanted to make a correction that the interview date was 4/3/2023"

[south sable]

Just be short and to the point

"Apologies for the additional reply. Correction: the interview date was 4/3/2023"

[swift falcon]

Beautiful thank you

[neon tide]

https://tenor.com/view/late-night-seth-lnsm-lnsmgi-fs-seth-meyers-paper-shredder-gif-9199043

Your resume when they see the wrong date on the email

[cerulean crater]

Intl student here! No offers so imma start packing my bag to gtfo!😂👌

[vital leaf]

+1

[misty fable]

my situation isnt nearly as dire (currently in canada, have a bit more time), are you in US?

[cerulean crater]

@misty fable yeah in the states. Applying to Canadian pr! :p

[misty fable]

best of luck man :( you got this

[cerulean crater]

You too! Atb 🙂

[prime palm]

Whoa

What's that username

[slender apex]

Anyone here previously 2023 and now 2024

[pine topaz]

ur not the first to ask this

[vital leaf]

are you an ramp employee?

[prisma flax]

[bold pier]

I used Ramp once

I like stairs better

[teal jackal]

im lazy and want an elevator

[slender apex]

i just jump the window

[bold pier]

if you're lazy why you moving at all

[prime palm]

I'm just curious about your username LOOL

Did a recruiter shoot your family

[mossy fiber]

anyone need linkedin premium? got some free 2-month trials from linkedin could share to others

[cloud zinc]

I'd love some of that

[delicate elm]

what does premium even do?

[mossy fiber]

just dm me if you need it. 9 left

Important note: If the recipient already has a Premium subscription, or has used a free trial within the past 12 months, they won’t be eligible to claim the free trial.

[late kestrel]

damn i think i used a free trial in august

[chilly burrow]

It'd b gr8 4 u 2 share dis in #layoffs_support as well

Thank u 4 helpin out others 💓

[lone rapids]

Will you accept a 85k tc plus potential 9.5 k annual bonus at st louis or look for other opportunities

[chilly burrow]

I would accept and keep looking

If you have no other offers

[lone rapids]

70 k sd

Doesnt help either

[chilly burrow]

Wat is 70k sd?