2023_grads

[tardy geode]

[lunar hatch]

coin exchange

[timber rock]

Climbing stairs and house robber are both fairly simple, they helped me understand how it works better

If you don't really know dp that well then don't be disheartened if you can't do them tho

[split plaza]

the thing that helped me the most was implementing the naive recursive solution then just bolting on memoization, to get the top-down solution

bottom-up just requires a lot of practice imo

[daring gazelle]

No job experience = no hands one experience with tools and services. Certs = verifiable experience. Tbh if you worked for a few years the cert doesn’t matter. This is for new grads

Like if you said in your resume that you have experience with Enterprise Linux

Or whatever

They be like

“Ok buddy”

[jovial latch]

I'm thinking about getting an aws cert, whatever can make me fucking stand out tbh

Have little choice anyways, gotta do whatever I fucking can at this point

[daring gazelle]

dont get aws

like damn even when they call me back

like most of them use Azure

idk why

with certs the advantage is that you can do Devops

before switching to dev

[shut crescent]

idk if they care that much about certifications tbh lol

they are pretty easy to acquire

[sleek owl]

Are you in Canada?

[daring gazelle]

they dont

[daring gazelle]

nah

[daring gazelle]

then get some?

[fossil jewel]

i think AWS is more common than Azure

[daring gazelle]

yes

but just from experience interviewing

[fossil jewel]

which aws cert you have

regular practitioner?

[daring gazelle]

maybe just the companies that call me does

regular

[fossil jewel]

bc i think there's the cloud dev one

thats a step up

[daring gazelle]

i ma getting the solution architect

[gleaming fable]

interestingly enough AWS isn't always used for reasons you wouldn't think, my company's clients consider using amazon as a vendor as a conflict of interest so we have to use azure

makes me wanna jump off a bridge some days, the kinds of weird edge case behavior you get with azure can be infuriating

[fossil jewel]

only thing i did with azure is to get some free swag

lmao

and google cloud

[gleaming fable]

nah you're right I think industry polls usually have AWS ahead by a good amount as far as market share

[daring gazelle]

that why i want to AWS in teh first place

[wispy mason]

Where are you guys filing your taxes for free?

What's the process

[chilly burrow]

Jus don't pay lmao

U sav mor muni dat way

[tardy geode]

okay so correct me if i am wrong , the brute force way of 0/1 Knapsack is akin to backtracking. correct?

[late kestrel]

depends on income and state, but sites like freetaxusa or taxact are your best "free" options

youll have to pay to file state though

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

@livid yew

[errant karma]

Cash app taxes has been awesome and easy to use

[livid yew]

tf is this bro

[tardy geode]

imo this emoji conveys "flying kiss and fuck you"

cheddy being rude to us on a weekend

[late kestrel]

fair nuf

[livid yew]

turns out I get headache without caffeine

[late kestrel]

wym

[livid yew]

I went like 8 hours without coffee

felt like shit

[late kestrel]

u r addicted

[tardy geode]

try decaf

[livid yew]

I have been addicted for a while bro

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

like soda back in school

[tardy geode]

Diet Coke is goated soda

[livid yew]

big coke zero enjoyer

[tardy geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/765686006200139776.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[livid yew]

I have switched to 1 coffee a day, and then seltzer water

[tardy geode]

coke zero is ass

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

it tastes worse than diet coke

[livid yew]

I am thinking of getting a SodaStream

@tardy geode how was your inbox last week

[tardy geode]

wet

but with rejects

[late kestrel]

[lunar hatch]

last week got 7 rejections

the closest interview i got set up is end of march

not even sure whether it would hit HC then

[livid yew]

I mean yeah they cant just hire SWEs and put them nowhere

[lunar hatch]

anyone has any pointers on candid health?

[jovial latch]

has anyone interviewed with bae systems?

trying to see if ive been ghosted or they take a bit to make a decision

[lunar hatch]

i think they've been hiring since a few months ago but i looked up and they are just ~30 ppl in size

[swift falcon]

bad take

coke zero is goated

[chilly burrow]

Nah they rite

Coke is ass tbh

[swift falcon]

bruh pls

[chilly burrow]

I h8 soda tbh

[swift falcon]

cock zero has no calories and tastes good

like refreshing

i lost weight using that as my sweet

[chilly burrow]

I still dislike jt

I rather drink Water, Coffee, or Tea

[balmy kiln]

cock zero

[livid yew]

cold cock

[wispy mason]

For international students?

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

bruh cold cock zero

[swift falcon]

it’s my favorite

ice cold

[rain patio]

cock zero vine boom vine boom vine boom

[livid yew]

BRO STOP

[static moth]

yo can i dm u for a quick sec lmao

[balmy kiln]

Sure

[tardy geode]

yea yea , was just fooling around

[swift falcon]

how does one

get a job

[livid yew]

[clear bear]

Does anyone know what to expect for a Hiring Manager interview with Veeva?

[sleek owl]

Imagine if you had an offer already since January or something and you just chilling now

I am thinking of just starting a fitness tiktok tbh

They make good money

[tardy geode]

i would have asked my crush out

btw

why do we use a dictionary for dp in this problem? why not a list?

LC 494

[lime moth]

Not as easy as you might think to make money on tiktok

[dry kernel]

Anyone hear back from odoo after interview?

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1083951927362076714/20230220_002602_1.gif

that fire is paypal OA , and those kittens are people who have attempted the OA

[tardy geode]

In DP is bottom up (memoization) more optimized/efficient than top down?

[lunar hatch]

It’s usually better for cache

Cuz with recursion there’re lots of cache misses

[tardy geode]

i am not getting the intution to come up with memoization solutions by myself but i observed a pattern while solving

dp = {}
def memoize (index , conditions...):
        #base case
        #logid
return dp[logic]
return memoize(0,conditions..)

something like this

am i right?

by conditions i mean if something like m and n are given . like use m zeroes and n ones

[fiery pilot]

dp is a cache of recursive calls youve already done, so you would return dp[logic] if it exists
else you have to do a recursive call to compute that and save that in dp[logic] which you can do in your last line dp[logic] = memoize(…)

[sleek owl]

What if I can do 10 push ups

[lime moth]

1mill+ TC fs

[fossil jewel]

cache

[tardy geode]

ty broskis🙏🏻❤️

[tardy geode]

1mil+TC and lifetime supply of chipotle

[fossil jewel]

i’m not good with dp neither

[tardy geode]

same brother same

google jobs , glassdoor etc

but they the same shit

i mean companies post on all job boards like these major ones

its not us brothers , its this trash market .

i do but then they reject coz i am international

[cloud zinc]

I'd say look at the github repos for new grad roles, but they haven't updated their list since december 2022

coderquad, to be specific

[tardy geode]

that repo is ded fam

it was active until november mid 2022

[cloud zinc]

I know, that is why I added that disclaimer

[tardy geode]

oh ya , mb

[cloud zinc]

np

[tardy geode]

all this grind for what

[cloud zinc]

the market sucks so bad that my mother wanted me to go back and get a masters. Which is asinine because my initial plan was to gain work experience to break into a masters program after a year of experience under my belt

like slow your role, or in this case, "my" role

[tardy geode]

stay away from those

[cloud zinc]

heard from a LinkedIn post that most of the 200 applicants are either bots or fake data that LinkedIn puts up to garner urgency

either way, its a shitty practice for both real applicants and for recruiters

I'd love to get a masters but there is no way I could write an education plan essay without work experience

My mother was under the impression that "I need to find a job" is a compelling reason to break in

As if millions of other applicants don't have that already in their minds

even with the help of GPT-3, this wouldn't be good enough to validate a masters pursuit

[tardy geode]

💀

i watch south park every night 1 hour just to chill out

[jovial latch]

i stress eat

probably the only time in my life id rather it be a week day then the weekend

[cloud zinc]

Stress eat, grind dark souls, apply to roles, sleep.

[jovial latch]

if bae systems rejects me ima enter true desperation mode tbh

i got nothing else

[swift falcon]

tbh yeah

i can't wait till next wednesday 2pm

[faint umbra]

I have no interviews scheduled and no offer, only people who contact are contractors

[tardy geode]

Zulily did layoffs , my friend got laid off after 2 months of joining . dude graduated in dec 2022

[tardy geode]

same

i guess you are international too

[swift falcon]

it hurts so bad

[tardy geode]

I wish i could go back to gaming again

since grad school i haven't played anything

i used to grind Rocket League like crazy

i was a Grand champ 2 , only flex i have in gaming

[swift falcon]

bro I haven't gamed hard in like a month

just a bit of mtg arena here and there

trying to get these apps and shiet out

[dusky lark]

Palantir is rescinding offers?

[tardy geode]

yes

[dusky lark]

bitch

Lol I remember one of the engineers who I chatted told me
How they were recession proof unlike other companies

[tardy geode]

biz is biz

there are no emotions in the corporate world

[timber trout]

do you have an in person interview with them? when is it?

[dusky lark]

Any good resources to revise Multithreading?

[rain patio]

Following

[swift falcon]

just resume scanner tings

[fossil jewel]

thats what we expected tbh

since government contractor

i only see that one reddit and blind posts

i hope the best for the people who deal with this

[dusky lark]

Yea me too that's why I'm asking in this server

[dusky lark]

same man

[fossil jewel]

esp since palantir has a long daunting process

[shut crescent]

why would i do that lol its a waste of time, it doesnt do anything

easy to acquire = not impressive

[daring gazelle]

Wait are you talking about those hackerrank certs or certs like AWS solutions architects here?

I am a bit confuse

[dusky lark]

Why is Amazon still keeping applicants as under consideration

[daring gazelle]

Yo

I know right

They just do that then reject you like 3 months later

[dusky lark]

It has been like 5 months

[wispy mason]

is it hiring?

[pseudo dock]

in last semester. is it normal to feel like you dont know shit and are unhireable

[dawn sequoia]

yeah, imposter syndrome and senioritis can hit pretty hard at the end

but you can remind yourself how you got to where you are by reflecting back on your experiences, classes, achievements, lessons learned etc

I'm sure plenty of YouTube videos from student YouTubers on the topic too if you wanna look up their experiences and how they overcame these feelings

[pseudo dock]

i hope that will help, ive been trying to do more projects to improve my skill and demonstrables but i've ended up feeling like an even smaller and smaller fish in a bigger and bigger pond, and its changed my recommendations to be telling me all the stuff i dont know and should've done ahead of time

iss not good feelin

but i will do my best to overcome

[dawn sequoia]

just be careful not to overwork yourself into a downward spiral and burn out seeking some thing that may not exist (the perfect answer to imposter syndrome)

the deeper you specialize, aka get a degree, self learn, projects etc, the less you will know about things outside that specialty

when you come to terms with that, maybe you'll take a step back and appreciate where you are rn and make better goals for yourself in baby steps

a break from cs stuff is probably a good place to start. read a book unrelated to tech, start a new hobby, gym, sports, friends.. something away from the computer preferably imo and come back with a fresh mind

[tardy geode]

you got into palantir?

goated man

[dusky lark]

No dude

Kicked after HM last year

[tardy geode]

no company is safe except L3 Harris

L3 Harris has infinite HC

[tardy geode]

@lunar hatch got your mention notification but i don't see the mention

regarding sponsorship idk bro 😦 . i am just applying everywhere but it ain't helping

[plush lily]

Apply to masters as a backup

[tardy geode]

i am doing a masters rn

[plush lily]

Oh

[tardy geode]

phd , i don't have any research bg

[plush lily]

PhD?💀

[tardy geode]

so might as well get rejected there

might do some volunteering or contract shit

if i don't get anything

[plush lily]

You will get 500tc offers after all these years

[tardy geode]

what

how lol

bruh even 120k tc is fine in this trash market

[plush lily]

Jobs markets are cyclical, you never know if you get lucky and after phd it recovers

[tardy geode]

bruh i ain't doing phd

i might get rejected coz i don't have research bg

[plush lily]

[tardy geode]

[sleek owl]

I am honestly happy with 50k tc

[tardy geode]

for me tc doesn't matter tbh

[sleek owl]

I just want a 9-5 job till the market recovers

I hate my minimum wage job so much

[tardy geode]

i just want a job that sponsors / hels me pay off my loan

[sleek owl]

How did you get loans? I thought internationals can’t

[tardy geode]

there are a couple of lenders back home

i didn't take loan from a US bank

[sleek owl]

I see! My country doesn’t allow me to take more than 2k outside the country

[tardy geode]

oh i see

as international sometimes i feel luck matters more

if you make a decision tree for this , it would be never ending right ? (its unbounded knapsack)

[dry trail]

Anybody here who gave senior software engineer Business intelligence for Bloomberg interview

[sleek owl]

Nah in this economy I am taking 50 gladly

And I live in nyc

[fair zinc]

what

[jovial latch]

senior software engineer
lol

[fair zinc]

don’t they require 3 yoe?

[tardy geode]

they might be having

[swift falcon]

has anyone ever used dynamic programming to solve real life problems

cold email c-suite is a sigma move

[lunar hatch]

I see ty

Yeah it’s tough

I am finding nowhere to apply

[jaunty storm]

I’ve been hitting some extremes in my case.

I have a long history with struggling.

I would be taking 5 classes like C and Linear Algebra in the same semester, creating coding seminars from scratch, and grinding leetcode every day, whilst working in a sweatshop for minimum wage, still making the Dean’s List.

I would simply take the panic attacks and ignore my need of mental help for any ounce of success.

Even with my last two internships and jobs, I would come in with my mind feeling so scared and panicked.

Despite all that I still try to push myself even harder. Been spending a few thousands to travel around the country I search of work, and hired a few more doctors to keep me sane in this stretch.

I’ve been bleeding out mentally, financially, and physically, but I need to aim even higher.

This is what my mind is doing.

I’m very tired. I’m just so scared of becoming a deadbeat like I once was years ago.

[pseudo dock]

Shared fear

[tardy geode]

spent 2 hours studying dp , tried coin change prob . couldn't solve it on my own

FML

[nimble cosmos]

What dyall think about doing an internship after graduating if you don't have any viable FT offers?

[pallid vine]

what do you guys ask when karat interviewer says"do you have any question for me?". They usually aren't from the company we applied to right?

[sleek owl]

if your start date for the FT is later than your internship end date, why not

yeah but some companies accept graduates for internships and some companies don't even run education background check for interns

[tacit grove]

what's c-suite?

[dense grotto]

Does anyone know if the max flags for ramp backend new grad is 4?

[late kestrel]

the CXXs like CEO, CTO ect

[tacit grove]

oh! gotcha

[tardy geode]

Prayge for wet inboxes this week

[swift falcon]

let our inboxes overfloweth

[dawn sequoia]

I need my inbox dripping

bathing in offers

[livid yew]

sunday rejects hit diff

[late kestrel]

[sleek owl]

Am not even receiving rejections 😭

One day we will get an offer

[tardy geode]

studied dynamic programming for 4 hours , i am half brain ded fam

knapsack , knapsack unbounded smh

[sleek owl]

You deserve a cookie

[tardy geode]

my head hurts

i am gonna grab a milk shake

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

cheddy ... more like chad

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

My local milkshake place closes in 4 minutes

[fossil jewel]

wtf

why so early

[livid yew]

6pm on a Sunday?

Makes sense lol

have to go buy ice cream I guess

[fossil jewel]

i thought philly is a city that's active

[livid yew]

It is

Just this place I like closes early on Sundays

[fossil jewel]

i guess emphasis on local

ye

[tardy geode]

i go to five guys

best milkshakes

[livid yew]

I could take a walk over

No, I should cook at home tonight

Save some $$

[tardy geode]

if you go to take a walk , you might as well have dinner outside

[livid yew]

Only 40 today, might need jacket

[tardy geode]

so don't go for a walk

[livid yew]

No that's not cold lol

[tardy geode]

save money

[livid yew]

That's like hoodie weather

[tardy geode]

i was saying no walks for this

[tardy geode]

.

[livid yew]

Sadge cowboy

[tardy geode]

sad taco boy

taco bell viewed my resume for SDE 2

y no interview smh

[tacit grove]

LETS GO!!! 👍

[tardy geode]

bro it was a lot , but ended up understanding coin change 1 and 2 well

so that's a W

i mugged up LRU cache with understanding 💀 .

[tacit grove]

ugh I have to revise LRU Cache. Was asked this multiple times last year

[tardy geode]

this is now

[livid yew]

I wonder if you get free tacos

[tardy geode]

this was in sept 2022

[tacit grove]

Wow! That's awesome! Keep at it 👍

[dawn sequoia]

seems like you have already been seeking some help, which is good. just a matter of finding and making that change within yourself for a healthier mindset

[tacit grove]

Is DP asked nowadays? Was the least topic that was asked before

[shut crescent]

any certs haha. I guess AWS cloud could be valuable if ur trying to do data engineering

[livid yew]

wallet said no

[tardy geode]

ty brother

[lone copper]

So recruiter wants to call me 5 hours after news came out that the company will be having a hiring freeze. Am I doomed? Said they have a "quick update". I am delaying this call for dear life lol

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

[lone copper]

they've never been this nice to me before so I'm suspicious lol

[tardy geode]

I would say just pray

and think positive

[lone copper]

Thanks, nothing bad about being positive 🙂

[bold pier]

Tell them you're busy today coz you have to reject 2 other offers for them!

[lone copper]

I already rejected 2 other offers for them ;-; this what I get for having a heart

[bold pier]

Tonight we roit

[tardy geode]

wait

they wanna call you today?!

[lone copper]

I'll keep u guys posted

[tardy geode]

on a sunday ?!!

[tardy geode]

the server is praying for you brother

[lone copper]

They left me a voice mail I missed it (on thursday). Then I emailed them and they said they can call today or tomorrow. But we have communicated during weekends before

[tardy geode]

oh i see

[pure mauve]

Name?

[lone copper]

@pure mauve recruiter?

[tardy geode]

[lone copper]

🍏

It's not about rescind thankfully. But I'm interning for potential full time offer afterwards (I passed grad interview but was later told I am graduating too late)

[blazing flower]

Hello, has anyone here applied at Ramp for New Grad Software Engineer, Backend role?

[lone rapids]

Goated

[lone copper]

UwU

[pure mauve]

Company

[jaunty storm]

Yeah, it's all on me.

[tardy geode]

problems like last stone weight 2 need to be memorised .

smh

its not at all intuitive smh

[livid yew]

you gonna memorize it? big brain sheesh

[lunar hatch]

hopefully tmr paypal gets back after the oa

[tardy geode]

i saw neetcode's video on it

its very hard to get that trick of taking the total of all stone weights and splitting the sum into 2 parts

you wouldn't be able to come up with that trick unless you have sort of memorised the trick

that specific 2 steps

not the whole solution i meant

[tardy geode]

bruh i have no hopes

[livid yew]

good luck memorizing the trick lol

maybe if I had seen the problem within the last couple days

[tardy geode]

its just 2 lines 💀

not the whold solution cmonnn

[livid yew]

thats still tough to memorize bro

for a long period of time, like weeks

[tacit grove]

have you gotten paypals OA? I haven't even received an email for the OA

[tardy geode]

will revise

[tardy geode]

i gave , coding it in java was hell .

i think they gave out to like top x people who applied like way fast

i applied as soon as the position was posted

[late kestrel]

3.4k federal refund
1.6k owed to the state

[tardy geode]

like linkedin showed me posted 10 minutes ago , that's when i applied

[tacit grove]

Oh wow 😮 that's prob why

[tacit grove]

that's quite a refund

[sleek owl]

San Francisco pays patrol officers 103-147 starting salary

[livid yew]

[lunar hatch]

Yeah not sure how they gonna screen resume

I have extensive internships but they are not in java

Like I got kotlin, c++ and python

Although kotlin is basically a more advanced java

[bold pier]

Whats the use, they rejected me regardless

[chilly burrow]

People get resume screened for a variety of reasons. Just having the necessary skills is unfortunately not a guarantee.

Resume screens are very subject to luck.

[lunar hatch]

Yeah very true

Everything is luck

😢

[bold pier]

But not us!

[fallen fox]

unemployed for 3 months after graduating - how bad does it look to recruiters?

[daring gazelle]

tbh idk if they even care

[fallen fox]

i hope they dont

[bold pier]

Very subjective, some care, some don't about gaps. 3 months ain't much though

[daring gazelle]

like if they dont like you now then having 3 months unemployement probably wont change their opinion

its like asking

"40 years of not getting bitches, how bad would it look to prospective partner?"

[fallen fox]

[daring gazelle]

like the recruiters just doing their jobs I dont think they care

as long as you meet their requirements

[fallen fox]

i was thinking about changing the end date of my last internship

to show that i'm still employed but

will probably be easily verified

[daring gazelle]

dude

then might as well lie that you have 3 years of experiences

conjure up random positions in companies

if they interview you and dont verify

then good

if not

its not like they were gonna interview you if you had not lie anyways

this is why on my Tinder Profile I am always 6 foot

[fallen fox]

true

[lone copper]

some companies do actually check about past positions/school (like the ones with money) and they will call you out. Not speaking from experience tho 😅👀

[swift falcon]

daily linkedin bullshittery

when searching: software engineer state, United States

and past 24 hrs

[spark bay]

I meant wouldn’t employees not be appreciative if you were employed but working something unrelated

[errant karma]

Employers don’t use common sense like everyone else

[tardy geode]

received a linkedin request from a random dude whose cover photo is this

💀

[daring gazelle]

Probability of getting nothing

The thing is he is right

Even if you have 1 in 100 chances

[tardy geode]

but its elon musk smh , why do people still idolize him

[daring gazelle]

Then doing 100 times you probably succeeded

The problem is

Can you afford trying 100 times

Probably not

[daring gazelle]

Hella based

Make millions

Have a bazillion children

Waste money on random social media company

Walk in fire 80% of the staff

And somehow the company still running

Idk man seem like he got his shit together

I swear to god I thought for a bit there Twitter was gonna collapse

But I guess it take less people to run it than I thought

I gain mad respect for the dude when I found out he slept with Amber Heard then nonchalant left her for a younger actress

He got it for free practically despite being a billionaire

[pine topaz]

didnt he date cara delavienge too

despite his autism/assburgers/socioathic perosnality, mans got rizz for being able to date models

[daring gazelle]

Normies be thinking: "I need to be rich money so I can afford paying for women"

High IQ functional autistic person: "I need to be rich so I can talk women into sleeping with me FOR FREE, for the prospects of getting more money out of me but never will"

Its like taxes

Only poor people pay taxes

At some point when you are rich enough it comes for free

Its not about rizz its about leverage

[wheat seal]

A google early career recruiter looked at my LinkedIn

Is google recruiting now?

Yea it’s wild

[chilly burrow]

Afaik no

But mayb it's changed 🤷‍♂️

[timber rock]

cognizant final done. we out here chilling in witch

[dawn sequoia]

@timber rock gm huge W

[timber rock]

gm 😎

[lucid widget]

Don’t join Cognizant bro

[plush lily]

You got offer?

[lucid widget]

No, I already work but they suck, terrible company. My cousin used to work there

[timber rock]

It's better than unemployment and the pay is ok

[plush lily]

Congrats bro

[lucid widget]

Well that’s true, I don’t know how bad the new grad market is. But I just hold out hope something better than cognizant. But you could always take then switch.

[timber rock]

I dont have the offer lol, I just had the final this morning

[plush lily]

TC?

Lmaoo

You did good i assume

[timber rock]

It was fine, just a 30 min behavioural lmfao

[lucid widget]

Bruh, you hired

Congrats

[plush lily]

Yep, pretty much

[timber rock]

Definitely. Still in the pipeline for some better companies but it's an okay backup

[plush lily]

Summer intern?

[timber rock]

Nah, new grad

[plush lily]

Ohh

In London?

[timber rock]

Yeah

[lucid widget]

Yurrr, hopefully market picks up

Dang London

[timber rock]

Amazon needs to hurry tf up and unfreeze

[lucid widget]

How big is JET in London?

[plush lily]

Amazon

[timber rock]

Jet?

[plush lily]

I'm still under consideration since September

[lucid widget]

Just eat takeaway

[plush lily]

Lmaoo

[timber rock]

Those guys rejected me but I think they pay decently

[lucid widget]

Oh dang

[timber rock]

I'm not in London atm, I'm way up north but just eat is probably the biggest takeaway app

[lucid widget]

I work for their American subsidiary

I’m always curious how big they are in Europe

[plush lily]

In Spain it is probably the third, behind Uber eats and glovo

[lucid widget]

Yeah definitely interesting in food market

[timber rock]

It's probably 1st or 2nd with uber eats in the uk

[lucid widget]

In the US we behind DoorDash and Uber

[teal jackal]

I just got resume reject from a recruiter at 6am, another friend got it around the same time too

I don't have any other anecdotal evidence but I theorize its closed

[sleek owl]

Which posting is this?

[teal jackal]

new grad

it posted in august

Google

[tardy geode]

great start to the week with 4 rejects

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

good morning everyone

we are gonna get hired this week

[livid yew]

[brave forge]

only 2 more months until my internship starts

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

6 weeks of classes and then no more school forever

[livid yew]

Interview at 12:30

[brave forge]

your interviewing techie?

[livid yew]

later this week I get to interview a canidate as well, crazy week

[late kestrel]

oh shit thats probably me

lets goooo

[livid yew]

[brave forge]

imagine u interview someone and it's a person u know off discord

they are like hi Techie3445

[swift falcon]

instant hire

[livid yew]

instant lean no hire

[swift falcon]

sheesh

[late kestrel]

cap and gown ordered

[livid yew]

[fossil jewel]

all u gotta do is do a search on their discord messages

[livid yew]

[fossil jewel]

thats all u need to know their personality

[dawn sequoia]

[swift falcon]

bro pls

my personality is 100%

💎

[late kestrel]

me 2

[livid yew]

[lunar hatch]

what is the conversion rate from resume downloaded to interview/oa for you on linkedin

[sleek owl]

Does andruil requires security clearance?

[swift falcon]

how do you even see this stat?

[tender sluice]

JOB I NEED
JOB NEED I
I JOB NEED
I NEED JOB
NEED JOB I
NEED I JOB

[lunar hatch]

I mean I can only see resume downloaded for a few companies but no interviews from them

so jw

[swift falcon]

you can see they downloaded your resume?

how do you see that

[lunar hatch]

i think there's a notification they will send you once they download your resume

[tender sluice]

FRIK MAN FRIK

[livid yew]

FUCK MAN FUCK

[swift falcon]

interesting

[tender sluice]

me

I dont got SHIT

[tardy geode]

same

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[swift falcon]

bro I can't even get past screens

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

y'all are at least lucky you're getting OAs

[brave forge]

What’s your resume like? U have past experience ?

[tardy geode]

bruh not even OAs

[tender sluice]

im in like no processes either

[swift falcon]

not SE, but I have 10 years professional IT experience as support tech so I'm not some green horn

[tender sluice]

You guys think it will be better by Sept 2023?

They open like July 2023 again

Imma go for then

[brave forge]

I’m a December graduate so that’s what I’m going for also

[tardy geode]

everybody's mothers too waiting for ng 2024 , its gonna be insane

[tender sluice]

This season I couldnt even pass OAs

next season will be my season

[brave forge]

Whyyy that’s not fair for dec 23 grads literally our first hiring cycle to apply for

[tardy geode]

dude whoever i talk to is saying "waiting for ng 2024"

[tardy geode]

thats how life is

unfair

sometimes

[swift falcon]

I should have not done master's degree

should have just gotten job out of undergrad

[brave forge]

I’m not rly worried I’m like 75% sure my intern company will hire me back or my resume will be good enough to land something

[swift falcon]

I'd be a dev with 2 year experience

[tardy geode]

even people graduating in aug 2023 gonna apply for ng 2024

[swift falcon]

master's doesn't mean shit evidently

[tardy geode]

i want this confidence in life

[timber rock]

why does it have to be us

[brave forge]

No name place in Kansas lol that’s why they will hire me back because no one on earth will be interested in applying there. It’s also called shamrock trading

[swift falcon]

brb gonna apply

[late kestrel]

[brave forge]

Ya I mean there pay online says 90k + 20k stock / bonus for new grads and apartments in the area are like $1100 for high end places

[tardy geode]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/20/amazon-layoffs-company-to-cut-off-9000-more-workers.html?__source=androidappshare

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

bruh why no link

[timber rock]

ttps

[livid yew]

you forgot the

[tardy geode]

yeah they gonna cut more

[livid yew]

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[timber rock]

yeah cause they want to hire me instead

[tardy geode]

ig its over guys , gotta go through contract work and shit

[late kestrel]

that article is two sentences

[errant karma]

The problem is the 9000 people will take up any positions available and new grads will suffer

[swift falcon]

this tbh, I be seeing bitches applying from california and houston to my home city with linkedin premium

like get your own fricken city to apply to

like 2/3rds of applicants

[errant karma]

RIP to international students who are being laid off

[late kestrel]

its ok they added a third sentence to the article

also also @grim ore this influencing your decision at all

[swift falcon]

jus call me Andy guys, i'm ur fren

[errant karma]

“role eliminations” what a nice word selection for layoff

[tardy geode]

also who are graduating like me

[lunar hatch]

we're done

[tardy geode]

yeah

might have to do some consultancy shit

[plush lily]

I guess I'm staying "under consideration" one more year

[lunar hatch]

surprisingly got rejection feedback from gupuff

they got 3500+ apps for an entry-level sde

and they're looking only for folks with heavy experience now

yeah fr

especially heavy experience with kotlin+android

game over

[livid yew]

I have recruiter call with GoPuff in 1 hour

[lunar hatch]

goat

gl

[tardy geode]

good luck brother

[gray dagger]

Did google reject everyone wtf 💀

[lunar hatch]

i have gts interview in half an hour

anyone knows what to expect

[teal jackal]

gl bro

how do u interview during work hours

do you find somewhere quiet outside the office and excuse yourself there

[lunar hatch]

i even did not receive rejection

what role are they rejecting

[gray dagger]

This one

[lunar hatch]

ah i only applied to google aug 2022

and ghosted since then

[livid yew]

I WFH on Monday and Friday

[gray dagger]

I wanna be positive but it doesn’t seem like they’re interviewing anyone

[lunar hatch]

absolutely not

[livid yew]

should be pretty informal

[swift falcon]

yeah this smells like 2018-2019 when it employers had all the power with hiring

[livid yew]

Sure buddy

I've never done Alien Dic

[teal jackal]

I simply think google is closed for the season

[swift falcon]

did u figure it out

[lunar hatch]

the only folks i know who got google offer interned at HRT

this year for new grad

[swift falcon]

was it a brainteaser or like leetcode

[livid yew]

[lunar hatch]

yeah that's insane

HRT gave very limited return offers this year

afaik most ppl did not have one

[gray dagger]

It’s nice to have google on resume but afaik the work itself isn’t that interesting

[lunar hatch]

i think HRT was not doing so good last year

especially with decreased liquidity HFT is decreasing their volumes

[sonic coral]

Honestly it depends a lot on what team you’re on

[gray dagger]

This too

[lunar hatch]

not all quant firms are cpp heavy but def good to prep for cpp questions

also be hands on at LC questions

they're at least harder mediums

os/multithreading stuff is important for infra-related sde

for model-related sde prep for math

[cyan cosmos]

how do you deal with the longer interviews? do you not get pinged while interviewing.

[lunar hatch]

i'd say as long as you could solve 30-50% of LC hards without looking at solution

depends on your target

a lot of shops are language agnostic for LC problems

afaik 2s, deshaw and cit

yeah some shops restrict c++

[livid yew]

I just take PTO

[lunar hatch]

and for HFT knowing c++ trivia is always good

i got two LC hards

and another implementation heavy LC med

no

had to do it on the spot

afaik 2sig is on freeze for a while

no idea when it's gonna unfreeze

for new grad

[timber rock]

Definitely worth a try imo. iirc optiver restricts to java/cpp, hrt is python/cpp, drw/cit are lang agnostic

No idea, but the hiring bar will probably be the same for all locations

[lunar hatch]

I think they are sending the team match email in April

Hopefully

[wheat seal]

Oh ok yea I applied in august and never heard back either

[lunar hatch]

Cuz we are supposed to do team match only a few months before we start

Last time in February they told us they were planning to send team match in April

Hopefully they do it

[brave forge]

u take the whole day off for an interview? if there are like 3 rounds what do u do

[livid yew]

Depends on how long those are

If it's like 3-4 hours total, then yeah

[brave forge]

i am kind of running into the same problem also with my new-grad interviews for 2024 and starting applications during my summer internship. I was planning on only taking screening phone calls and deferring any longer ones until after my internship is over on Aug 12

[livid yew]

not sure

more than 0

[tardy geode]

i don't know what am i doing wrong

makes me depressed

[timber rock]

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

[fresh lagoon]

[tardy geode]

i want to cry

i have never got things smoothly , had to go through mental pain everytime

not yet

i would suggest 2 weeks before your 60th day

if you don't have any offers yet

2 or 1 week

that;s what i am planning

but we gotta file it anytime soon as USCIS takes a lot of time

so there's a girl giving an interview(ik its interview coz she has written "interview DND" on the door) in the room across the place i am sitting at uni . Also there's a dude sitting opposite to her with a laptop

💀

nope

i guess yes as i can see LC open 💀

even after your 60th day you don't get anything your 90 days will start . if after 90 days also you don't get anything then you have to leave

i have empathy for laid off peeps but thing is when they write they have 60 days to find a job(if they are on H1) if they are on severance lets say for 12 weeks then their 60 days clock doesn't start until last day of severance

so technically they have 12 weeks + 8 weeks . 20 weeks

considering they are on severance , if no severance then yes the day of layoff is when the clock starts ticking

[bleak raven]

💀💀💀

packet loss and retransmits is prolly what i would’ve answered

no way i would’ve thought loose cable wtf

[livid yew]

GoPuff recruiter chat went well

@grim ore

[pulsar mural]

@grim ore

[livid yew]

@pulsar mural

[late kestrel]

"Gopuff was originally an on-demand hookah delivery service"

aint no way

[sonic coral]

Isn’t the point of these kinda questions that there’s several reasons why this can happen and by asking you they can see what part of the OSI stack you’re more comfortable with?

And then can follow up with more questions in the areas you’re knowledgeable about

[void ingot]

Anyone here interviewed for Marshall Wace?

[lunar hatch]

finished gts interviews

tons of os stuff

although i aced the coding and answered majority of os stuff

not sure if that gonna work

[void ingot]

Was that an OS role?

[lunar hatch]

nah sde

backend mostly

[void ingot]

I see

[surreal shuttle]

I tried so hard to get a internship

but did not get any

finally got into amazon

and they delayed my offer by 6 months

[civic field]

They’re gonna honour delayed new grad offers though right

[lunar hatch]

i asked my friends and they even got to do h1b lottery this year

for amazon

[surreal shuttle]

after todays news i am depressed

i love software engineering

[fallen fox]

looks like no faang NG until at least 2024

[lunar hatch]

at least they still plan to honor it

just hope for the best

[fallen fox]

[surreal shuttle]

if they honor it, i will be the happiest person ever

[lost falcon]

Holy Delayed NG!

[lunar hatch]

yeah same for doordash

that's the biggest wish rn

[gilded swan]

Should I learn machine learning or get a higher paying software engineer job?

[livid yew]

ML probably pays more

[swift falcon]

inbox dry af

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

inbox wet

with rejects

[late kestrel]

[lunar hatch]

anyone knows linden shore and their process?

[tardy geode]

is it like a small startup?

[lunar hatch]

seems like a crypto shop

yeah i think it's a prop trading shop in crypto

[tardy geode]

glassdoor?

[lunar hatch]

not anything their

ig heavy cpp tho

[timber rock]

i did the recruiter phone

last week

[tardy geode]

can we make a chanel specifically for international students in the US ?

would be really helpful

i haven't been so stressed and anxious in my life

[void ingot]

Did you do the codility assessment?

[lunar hatch]

+1

[timber rock]

no, i was rejected after phone

[lunar hatch]

not LC at all but literally impossible to get offer

don't know what is expected

[tardy geode]

you gotta be from a target school to even get a call

[tardy geode]

you got to have a good command on OCaml , and they prefer BS CS peeps from Columbia as Columbia has a course in which they specifically teach you OCaml

well its a HFT , so you expect it to be hard

bruh

do you have an interview with them

?

Oooo

well check glassdoor , or #2023_grad_process

just curious , are you from Top 5 CS Schools?

oh i see

https://medium.com/@tzjy/jane-street-quant-interview-questions-how-many-can-you-get-right-44f5384c1201

[timber rock]

ik someone here who got an offer and if i remember correctly it was 3 algo rounds, said the questions werent that hard but it was long implementation

[tardy geode]

that might help

[timber rock]

that was for prod eng not swe tho

you might have more luck asking in #quants-n-traders

[tardy geode]

the interview is lang agnostic yes

[lunar hatch]

yeah it is language agnostic

i also did one in the past

it's kinda weird

the problems were simple but heavy with implementation

[tardy geode]

but they prefer people who already know OCaml (Considering you are a student)

[lunar hatch]

yeah that might help + any kind of functional programming experience

[bleak raven]

so i’ve done 4 internships , but there’s a pretty big drop off in name from 2nd & 3rd internship to the 4th , should i put the 4th internship on resume yes or no?

it’s also somehow the one that’s paid me the least out of all of them 💀

recession thingz 😔

[timber rock]

yes

[cedar gulch]

I would say yea if the skills are relevant to the role you’re applying for

[bleak raven]

1,2,3 all backend , 4 is frontend; my FT offer is with company 2

oh yea to mention this is gonna be a resume for after my initial years at entry level

[cedar gulch]

Oh yeah then if you’re not restricted to one page you might as well, if anything it’ll add to your resume since it shows you’re willing to learn other areas of tech as well

[chilly burrow]

I'd say there may be value in keeping 4 if you ever wanna switch to frontend

[bleak raven]

mmm okie dokie makes sense

[sleek flame]

is there any channel for US international students?

[livid yew]

[brave forge]

#international

[sleek flame]

Thank you

[swift falcon]

35 apps 9 rejections so far

how many apps do you guys manage over a week?

[worthy aspen]

175apps with atleast 40rejections so far since Jan( 0 OAs)

my goal is to send out atleast 3 apps per day, with a high of 8 apps per day. But on average 3

[swift falcon]

gotcha, I'm way lower than that I guess

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

ive been kind of selective, like if it's a .net job I ignore it

but maybe I should just start applying to everything

just seems like all the job postings are pretty stale

[worthy aspen]

I've mostly stayed away from anything that says .net but I did end up picking Java(along with a project) so I could just add a project on my resume

found this article today from the WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/that-plum-job-listing-may-just-be-a-ghost-3aafc794

[jovial latch]

most app postings are absolute bullshit

after a while you get a sense of what is worth applinyg too

tbh if linkedin bothered to filter out contact jobs or scummy consulting shit youd only have like 20% of postings left

[lost falcon]

most of them not sponsor or requiring citizen or security clearance

[swift falcon]

Among those who said they advertised job postings that they weren’t actively trying to fill, close to half said they kept the ads up to give the impression the company was growing, according to Clarify Capital, a small-business-loan provider behind the study.

what tha fkkkkkkk

[chilly burrow]

Don't wanna sound rude but 35 is kinda low

[swift falcon]

yeah it's a joke lmao

[jovial latch]

its partly job boards fault too, they have no incentive for quality control

[swift falcon]

i mean I am applying and want to get into the hundreds, but it's a joke that I'm bragging about it haha

One-third of the managers who said they advertised jobs they weren’t trying to fill said they kept the listings up to placate overworked employees.
this fucked up too

[tardy geode]

what the fuck is this

linkedin paying 200k TC to SWEs for this shit ^

[chilly burrow]

Just checking lol. I've talked to ppl who don't know how tough it is and say stuff like "I've applied to 25apps but haven't gotten an interview!"

[swift falcon]

it's like there's not even a search angine

[chilly burrow]

Those r ads

[swift falcon]

Since his layoff from a startup in August, he says he has noticed that most jobs that catch his eye have been up for months.
THIS

[tardy geode]

💀

[swift falcon]

like the 'perfect job' and it's like 2 months old

[worthy aspen]

its tough cause my friends who got jobs in the past two years incl my current employer(campus job) says "oh dw you'll land something" and idk if i should even be that optimistic lol

[chilly burrow]

Something may b off with ur LinkedIn

Cuz the only irrelevant things I get r ads

[swift falcon]

no i have the same bullshit scratch that I am seeing promoted

[tribal pelican]

LinkedIn is so bad lately, many times it advertises 2-3 months old job posting as new

[brave forge]

i searched the same thing on linkedin and got accurate results, although it still recommends me intern jobs when I'm looking for new-grad now but that might just be because of my history looking for intern jobs this summer

[worthy aspen]

there are a couple. I usually say i dont require sponsorship (cause you dont need sponsorship for OPT-just a signature from your super)

[swift falcon]

it's like 9 promoteds to every one actual job

how do we get rid of promoted jobs

[brave forge]

u can use adblock

[chilly burrow]

Doesn't work

[swift falcon]

I have ublock origin on

[brave forge]

i thought u could add a script to ublock and then it blocks it

[swift falcon]

if u have it pls send it

[tardy geode]

you international?

[brave forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/rth1jr/blocking_linkedin_promoted_posts_news/

people say this just googling real quick

[worthy aspen]

if they ask me do i have authorization- i say yes. and the thing with future sponsorship, i answer depending on how clear there questions are. If they are vague i answer No

[tardy geode]

can graphql be used to develop a data management system?

[worthy aspen]

yes

[tardy geode]

then why you putting no for sponsorship

[worthy aspen]

cause i got plans for a phd after, who knows

[tardy geode]

oh

[worthy aspen]

or maybe i just wanna leave the US, so many things can change. I dont wanna commit through a web form asking me what i wanna do in 3 years lol

[tardy geode]

this makes sense

[worthy aspen]

[tardy geode]

but then what if you get selected and then they reject you coz of sponsorship

[swift falcon]

not working unfortunately

[worthy aspen]

I take the L

[brave forge]

My intern job I got hired for never asked me for documents lol

Idk if they will after I start

I had more checks working retail then this

[swift falcon]

hell yeah

[worthy aspen]

the thing with recruitment is often times they don't wanna deal with immigration cause its intimidating. If you can someone get passed the recruitement stage, employers can change their mind depending on your performance. I have a friend who started working for an accounting firm that dont sponsor to now them hiring a bunch of international students open to sponsoring. So my approach is obviously to not lie but if they ask vague questions, I return vague answers

[swift falcon]

from -> https://gist.github.com/jaydorsey/d728423051fbcb54f1abd53ed3920c9e

it shows literally 4 jobs a page now lmao

[brave forge]

Oh ya I saw that link

[swift falcon]

thank you 🙏

[lone copper]

Update we good, recruiter called to tell me about housing

Did not get fired yet lol

[sleek owl]

Does andruil take opt?

[swift falcon]

about the ghost jobs lol

[jovial latch]

another reason why hr twats deserve to rot in hell

[atomic oxide]

Highly doubt it - they're a privatized defense contractor

[tardy geode]

what company is it

[abstract tapir]

Any one up for DSA mock interview?

[dusky juniper]

yeah

[tardy geode]

[jovial latch]

the most sensible recruiter headline