2023_grads

[west egret]

I'm surprised sofi pays that much

[fallen fox]

yeah sofi is nuts

[swift falcon]

so perhaps it's kind of like applications, where if you go enough you might get that unicorn opportunity

[west egret]

We're also not exactly in the best economy. Just go anyways IMO

[fallen fox]

nah just go to career fairs

i got my first internship at Oracle that way

[west egret]

Worst case scenario you lost a few hours

[swift falcon]

perhaps, though I'd probs have to take PTO to go if they're during the day

[west egret]

ahh you're actively working

that makes things harder

[fallen fox]

sofi interview was pretty ez too

i couldn't so some basic OOP shit

very basic freshman level shit

[swift falcon]

yeah, it's not the worst but I'd have to be getting a lot out of it, my campus is like 50 minutes away etc.

[west egret]

For context, all the university career fairs I went to were through online

so maybe diff experience with in-person

[swift falcon]

oh really?

[daring gazelle]

trash

its over

told my recruiter I am on OPT before accepting my offer

Waiting the results

probably it would be rescind

[fallen fox]

i'm doing the same for cvs health

[fallen fox]

let us know please

[daring gazelle]

I wont get a job anytime soon

god dont want it

they will definitely deny

[atomic oxide]

I would say 90% of the OAs/interviews I got were from career fairs. Talking to the recruiters doesn't guarantee you a job offer but they definitely get you through the door.

[swift falcon]

what does OA mean

[atomic oxide]

Granted don't bother with some of the large companies (e.g. Amazon) since they just tell you to apply after taking your resume

Online assessments

[swift falcon]

ok and I assume interviews were actually with technical people then, not just the HR screens?

[iron lily]

Don’t lose hope, the recruiter will probably come back to you with good news

[atomic oxide]

I've had both. Sometimes the recruiter will move me on directly to speak with the technical rounds, sometimes they give me a HR call to learn more about me

Regardless, at least my resume isn't tossed into the trash by a robot

[swift falcon]

yeah fair enough

[atomic oxide]

Also like someone mentioned earlier, the online ones are the best

You don't have to dress up, minus a collared shirt, and recruiters are way more receptive online

[swift falcon]

is it like video call speed dating?

[fallen fox]

in my in-person career fair the engineers/recruiters would keep your resume and would call you for an interview

[lone rapids]

What company

[fallen fox]

h&r block i think

[swift falcon]

and you'd talk about your resume I assume, like actually get them to read it

[fallen fox]

with career fair you're basically skipping the RNG which comes with online applications

[fallen fox]

yeah

and if the recruiters/engineers like your resume enough; they will interview you

so in a lot of cases, guaranteed interviews

[swift falcon]

do you know if they come to these career fairs to fill positions that aren't necesarily posted?

[fallen fox]

yes sofi did for mine

i interviewed almost a month early

before they posted the online application

too bad im dumb and cant clear interviews

[swift falcon]

what happend with it?

[fallen fox]

i got rejected at the final round

couldn't do basic OOP

the interview was ez AF as well

[lone rapids]

Like what

[fallen fox]

i regret it so much lmao

[swift falcon]

how?

what?

that makes me super scared tbh

[fallen fox]

it was pretty much creating two classes: a Bank and Employee

[swift falcon]

oh no

how do u mess that up

[lone rapids]

So bank and employee has no relation or they wanted

[swift falcon]

was there some weird shit?

[lone rapids]

Employee to be child of bank

[fallen fox]

yeah

i did end up coding the solution though

but it was too late

200k gone

[swift falcon]

i need more information

[fallen fox]

🔫

[swift falcon]

what was the tricky part

[fallen fox]

there was no tricky part, i'm garbage and dumb

[lone rapids]

They wanted relations in sql or just two classes?

[fallen fox]

just two classes

[lone rapids]

I think they wanted to see inheritance and use of correct modifiers i guess then

[fallen fox]

employee inherits from bank

[swift falcon]

how does employee inherit from bank though that's weird

i can see how that could trip you up

it's tripping me up

makes no sense

[lone rapids]

So bank has an employees list

Probably that they wanted maybe

[swift falcon]

but that's not inheritance

that's like composition or sth

[lone rapids]

Yea its not inheritance really

[swift falcon]

it would be like SavingsAccount inheriting from Account

that would make more sense

[fallen fox]

🤔

[lone rapids]

As you can see @fallen fox we proved you are not dumb

[fallen fox]

or maybe im not explaining the problem clearly

[lone rapids]

Self esteem

[fallen fox]

the 1st technical coding screen they just asked me two sum lol

[lone rapids]

Did u use hashset or nah

[swift falcon]

see now two sum and LC is different level for me, that's what I"m nervous abt

I'd rather do some tricky OOP

[fallen fox]

i used a map

[lone rapids]

Yea map i meant

[fallen fox]

200k gone from ez interview like that

i should kms

[swift falcon]

so did you bomb the interview, but then you figured out the answer afterwards?

[fallen fox]

i bombed the 2nd techincal coding screen

recruiter > OA > 1st screen > 2nd screen > behavioral

[swift falcon]

yeah the oop part

you said you coded the answer tho

[fallen fox]

yeah it was too late, interviewer moved on and started asking me trivia

[swift falcon]

oof

like SOLID and shit?

[fallen fox]

nah more like the details of databases

[swift falcon]

"how do u database?"
"idk, use sql or sumshit"

[fallen fox]

there was a sql coding round in the 1st interview

[swift falcon]

dw - I applied for a job at a big company as a support tech many years ago, and they asked me "what is the importance of 127.0.0.1" and I was like

ion't know what da fk that is

they were like "LOOPBACK?!?!?"

and I cried and knew it was over

so there you go, we all have our own crosses to bear

[fallen fox]

tbh the rejection wouldn't hurt me as much if I had a job' and the current market wasn't dogshit

but i'm unemployed, market is shit, faang isn't hiring, wages are garbage and I lost pretty much the only way I could make 6 figures

[swift falcon]

start OF

[fallen fox]

and the interview process wasn't even difficult

[swift falcon]

the best feeling is when you think you have some rapport with interviewers, and then follow up with them a week or two later and they're like "ur done, leave me alone"

[brave forge]

What company is this

[fallen fox]

SoFi

200k new grad in Seattle

[brave forge]

Jeeeeezzzzzz

[fallen fox]

the only jobs offering 200k right now require 5/10+ years of exp

[brave forge]

Reading your resume You have 1 internship and 3 game projects. That’s was a really good interview to land

[fallen fox]

yeah probably

[brave forge]

At least it’s attainable man when I start interviewing for early 2024 new grad jobs I need to grind leetcode like max motivation

Btw did u land game dev interviews?

[fallen fox]

nope never applied to those roles

[brave forge]

Ok lol apply for some

[daring gazelle]

the technical people loves me even wants me to start early

but this OPT thing might be the end of me ngl

being better try harder isnt enough anymore

you need to be born in the right place as well I guess

[swift falcon]

what is OPT

[daring gazelle]

Optional PRactical Training

[swift falcon]

is it mandatory?

[somber kettle]

I have read that if they like you personally, they will go out of their way to make things easier for you...not sure what OPT involves...is this like a review period or?

[fallen fox]

opt is a temporary 3-year work permit for international students

[somber kettle]

thank you for explaining that

[prime palm]

WHAT

[prime palm]

?!!!

[grizzled bronze]

Where did you get the $200K number from?

[jovial latch]

Christ

[daring gazelle]

ngl I am holding on to a bit of sanity here if I get rescind just because of my Visa. I think my outlook on the world will completely change once again and I will be completely apathetic to everyone.

Just to keep going

and not give up

[livid yew]

Just switch to MasterCard

[lone rapids]

What company

[gleaming fable]

bro I never even heard of a sql coding round before, you got really unlucky

[fallen fox]

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/sofi/salaries

[grizzled bronze]

Not accurate, I don't see $200K base anywhere for new grad.
The listing itself has this payrange too : $92.8K - $174K.

[pure mauve]

p sure hes accurate if its sf

[grizzled bronze]

He said Seattle

[pure mauve]

its remote

[fallen fox]

Seattle/SFO baseline SWE seems to be around 180k-200k ish

Helena MT is much lower though

aroud 115k-120k

[grizzled bronze]

Oh you're including the whole TC instead of just the salary

[fallen fox]

yeah

[grizzled bronze]

[prime palm]

this is so fuckin nice too

because no state tax

cries in california / nyc

[fallen fox]

yeah

can you email the recruiter again after getting a rejection email?

[static moth]

[grizzled bronze]

You can

But they're just gonna ghost

[fallen fox]

a recruiter from conduent ghosted me three times

im used to it

[grizzled bronze]

Conduent, what a name

[crystal delta]

helena is about 155k non negotiated

seattle about 190k

(not including relocation)

[winged shale]

Has anyone interviewed at Veeva for their Associate Software Engineering position? Was wondering what the process like

[tardy geode]

ONLY PRAYGE for the szn

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1081810437064114256/4x.gif

[fallen fox]

[fallen fox]

160k in montana is cracked lmao

[nimble shell]

160k in montana bruh ud live like kings

[jovial latch]

but also, montana

[fallen fox]

do they offer a sign-on bonus?

[pine topaz]

atleast its better than arizona right @pulsar mural

[jovial latch]

depends, does montana also have a water crisis?

montana probably has more nutjobs

i mean both are just not very good states

[atomic oxide]

What? Arizona is a cool place to live (minus the water shortage right now)

[jovial latch]

water crisis in the middle of a fucking desert is kinda a deal breaker ya know

but you know, building a whole ass suburbia in the middle of a desert with lawns n shit probably wasnt the brightest idea to begin with

i mean yea i imagine arizona is nice to live in but the whole water thing and unoptimable city design in a desert...kinda a whole problem ya know lol

like, the situation is certainly not gonna get better down there lol

something i like to ask myself is "is this state or town gonna be worse off 10 years from now"

water is kinda important, also i pretty much only drink water lol

[crystal delta]

they don’t do sign on, they do base + rsu + 10% of base target bonus

[fallen fox]

thanks!

[proper marlin]

i did

[agile niche]

For scheduling?

I mean after the initial contact

[mossy fiber]

did circle just release new SDE role or its just repost

[swift falcon]

hello fellow gamers

[proper marlin]

For scheduling

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1083951927362076714/20230220_002602_1.gif

that fire is bloomberg new grad and those kittens are ghosted candidates (like me )

[tardy geode]

the economy is tanking

with banks being hit

[livid yew]

It's gonna be a rough month tbh

[bold pier]

Month?

Months

Years

Decade

[chilly burrow]

Yes

[tardy geode]

[faint umbra]

doomed forever

[bold pier]

Doom Eternal was better

[final ore]

but some say because of svb failure the fed has no choice other than decreasing interest rates which is a good thing

[random seal]

should i still do the hirevue for svb's IT Early Career Development Program

[mossy fiber]

in terms of fed's long term goal, nothing changed

[pine topaz]

we are heading from a recesion to a depresison

its been a long time without one, we need one

[foggy perch]

as an ow degen have you whaled for any skins yet @jagged ferry

[swift falcon]

im sad

💨

pardon

ok good night

[lethal vortex]

I did for ft sde about two weeks ago. I heard that there would be one day virtual onsite with four rounds of interviews if I pass the first one. The interviewer also said that it would take a week to three weeks to get the result from the previous interview.

[broken sonnet]

Did anyone receive cancellation email from Google recruiter for early career swe role saying that the position has been filled.??

[sonic coral]

Quite a few people did on the g discord sadly

Looks like L3 headcount for all of 2023 is nuked

[broken sonnet]

Do you have the server link for google?

[chilly burrow]

#server-links

[sleek owl]

my recruiter called me today, but said that my interview results are valid till late november, a year after you passed HC

[broken sonnet]

Thnxxx!!

[broken sonnet]

When did you interview?

[sleek owl]

OA august -onsite 28 October - passed HC December 1st

[nocturne obsidian]

How has applying to jobs been for y'all? I have heard from others its rough out there.

[bleak raven]

wtf ....

[wispy pond]

been hella rough, passed the hackerrank for Citi but never heard back...

[bold pier]

Is L3 SWE III?

[bold pier]

for Google

[fallen fox]

2022 i was hearing back without even passing hackerranks

[wispy pond]

goddamn how

[sleek owl]

L3 is the entry level

[bold pier]

I have interview pending for a SWE III position, hope it's not nuked

[sleek owl]

Swe III for google?

So L5?

[bold pier]

Ya

[livid yew]

Google is weird

[sleek owl]

I think you should be safe if it is L5

[livid yew]

They start at SWE3

L5 is SWE5

Sorta

Right?

L4 is SWE3

[pulsar mural]

[frank wedge]

Ratio + L

[livid yew]

So L5 is SWE4

Idk why they all gotta have different level systems

[sleek owl]

I wanna know what’s L2 and L1 lol

[livid yew]

So annoyed

[sleek owl]

Maybe interns

[livid yew]

It's weird

[bold pier]

L5 is manager lmao

[livid yew]

Yeah that's usually where people stay as a IC or switch to management track

[sleek owl]

What’s IC?

[livid yew]

Individual Contributor

[bold pier]

So I guess rejection is in my hand for now

[sleek owl]

Check the google discord

You might get some more info there

[bold pier]

Link

[sleek owl]

Just posted it in #server-links

[bold pier]

Thanks

[lethal vortex]

No new grad ft offers from Google?

[bold pier]

Me is also new new grad, just with some experience

[sonic coral]

SWE 3 is L4

[bold pier]

Anything is a uplevel for me without a job rn

[swift bobcat]

What do you guys recommend answering for a conflict with teammate/manager behavioral question if you’ve never had a conflict with anyone during ur internships lol

[grizzled bronze]

Make up a believable scenario, use ChatGPT to help with ideas

[chilly burrow]

talk abt a conflict with a teammate on a group project

[swift bobcat]

Hmm okok

[tardy geode]

say that when you joined X company as an intern , during a design discussion a co worker of yours debuked your ideas as inexperienced/cap etc....

every company is doing this , this is the new techboom 💀

[lethal vortex]

The market is so tough.

[wild igloo]

yall think 2024 is gonna be better?

[jaunty storm]

I hope so.

Still can't find anything.

Been thinking about going to the NSBE conference but it will cost me $2000 and my funds are going to go dry.

Basically gamble a trip to KC for a job fair or risk losing money for grad school.

[grizzled bronze]

Yes

[fallen fox]

[fallen fox]

the media says recession late 2023 🥶

[onyx sparrow]

yeah I'm going for that conference

it has gotten to that point

[jaunty storm]

Is it worth it?

[tardy geode]

lol no

[jaunty storm]

I’m planning on going alone and mainly sticking around for the job fair.

[tardy geode]

2024 late things will bounce

[onyx sparrow]

I know that there will be like 300 companies there and I already have an interview scheduled with a company during the career fair

[fallen fox]

amazon will open ng 2024 in june for sure

[tardy geode]

the whole world and their mothers gonna apply

[jaunty storm]

The 300 companies are worthwhile anything to see a recruiter face to face.

[tardy geode]

my friend got fired from amazon due to performance issues , 6 months in

[onyx sparrow]

Exactly

I can't wait to print out 300 copies of my resume

[jaunty storm]

I just need to convince dad to let me borrow $2000.

[tardy geode]

you should go , career fairs are big advantage to citizens

[jaunty storm]

That’s the only way I get interviews now.

[tardy geode]

[onyx sparrow]

I'm international but I'm going regardless

[jaunty storm]

NSBE, School fair on April 4th, SHPE, oSTEM, ColorStack, CodePath, AfroTech, GMIS, and a few more on my list for this year.

I do plan to travel to DC occasionally for those fairs too.

And I’ve been applying outside the US for good measure.

[fallen fox]

what does it mean if a recruiter looks at your linkedin profile

for a role you applied to

they interested?

[jaunty storm]

Ignore it, just keep going.

[fallen fox]

[jaunty storm]

I have an easier time applying to jobs outside the US.

I get a higher response rate.

Despite no visa.

[jaunty storm]

They’re just looking into your job history to know you better.

[fallen fox]

my linkedin profile is blank

[jaunty storm]

You have to fill it out.

I’ve lost opportunities for the slightest errors, you can’t afford to have any gaps anywhere.

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-be-bruh-beluga-gif-25964074

i hate linkedin lol, i only use it to look for jobs

the entire website gives me anxiety

[jaunty storm]

Just never open the main page. You need to fill it out.

The slightest gap will hold you back.

[steep sundial]

Would that even work?

[jaunty storm]

I’ve had interviews outside the US already.

[steep sundial]

Which countries are you choosing?

[jaunty storm]

England for starters.

Canada maybe.

I’m considering Spain as well.

I’m thinking where do people not want to go?

[steep sundial]

So like are you applying to only remote or only in person or both?

[jaunty storm]

Anything really.

I’m willing to sacrifice anything at this point.

[steep sundial]

Wow. If you're getting interviews then you must be doing something right. Never thought of applying to other countries

[jaunty storm]

I just have to keep trying. Swing harder every time.

I’m going to do pramp to get more comfortable talking.

For the few companies still hiring this year, I don’t want to miss.

[steep sundial]

I guess my last question is do you use LinkedIn to apply or other sites?

[jaunty storm]

Anything that posts new grad jobs.

I’m not leaving anything behind.

[steep sundial]

Let's go. You just gave me motivation

[jaunty storm]

I have to keep it up. I lose if I stop.

[steep sundial]

[torpid birch]

Go to Australia for a year under their working holiday visa

Take a workcation

See the world a little bit

Get hired by atlassian for a software development position

Die from a poisonous tarantula bite during onboarding

[swift falcon]

probably one of the better outcomes

[swift falcon]

who sends out a rejection email @ 12:53 AM

smh

companies these days

[steep sundial]

😂

[timid kraken]

Are there any good career fairs for non minorities (brown male)?

[chilly burrow]

There were, but most of em r done now afaik

[timid kraken]

I see, I'm 2024 grad and just wanted a heads up on the tech fairs available - the only ones I know of are greylock and codepath

[signal trellis]

we do, however, this is a custom question. feel free to report the link on the extension so we can help improve the filling in the future. our next update should catch all of these though

[pulsar monolith]

which loc have you applied to?

[lunar hatch]

for paypal oa

did you get the confirmation msg from hackerrank after completing it

just found that i did not although i completed it like last friday

[granite trench]

https://about.fb.com/news/2023/03/mark-zuckerberg-meta-year-of-efficiency/

[lunar hatch]

isn't meta supposed to announce second-round layoff tmr?

[granite trench]

Not sure about tmr, but it says layoffs in tech groups in late April

[teal jackal]

year of my nutsacks bruh

[livid yew]

Show nutscake

[tardy geode]

i think its done for international students , now fk applying to jobs . priority has shifted from finding jobs to finding legal ways to maintain status

[sleek owl]

Did you apply for your opt yet?

[tardy geode]

"YeAr of EffiCieNCy" , why tf did they hire shit ton of people then by asking top 10 FB tagged questions and throwing 276k for ng

[tardy geode]

no not yet

[livid yew]

Imagine asking tagged

Lazy ass interviewers

[tardy geode]

that's what they did

[swift falcon]

i just need one job app to accept me plsssss

[livid yew]

So gey

[daring gazelle]

anyone here interviewed with Snap?

how is their first one?

[lunar hatch]

Last time I heard the tech layoff mainly focuses on reality labs

[frank wedge]

Tech phone, any range of difficulty, expect med-hard

Unless this is for apprenticeship

[fallen fox]

i applied to a bunch of roles at this company and a recruiter got back to me for a it support role

would it be okay to ask her if she could do something about my swe applications?

[tardy geode]

just take anything that helps you maintain status at this point bro

you could ask but theres high chances she might softly deny

[fallen fox]

yeah

just wanna ask her tho

[tardy geode]

with incoming meta layoff my stress level is off the roof

[fallen fox]

2023 looks bleak

[daring gazelle]

apprenticeship

[fallen fox]

how did it go with the recruiter?

[daring gazelle]

Havent gotten respond

but its only been 21 hours

I have first round Snap of Thursday

[frank wedge]

Oh, then not sure about that process. Definitely much easier though. You should be wary about ft conversion ability though. Apprentices have been stuck at my place for a minute, and I’m pretty sure snap is likely doing something similar

[daring gazelle]

probably flung this one too

[daring gazelle]

ft into meters?

[frank wedge]

Not sure what meters means. The snap up program is like 9 months right? Before promotion into standard entry level. I was just saying to be wary that they might not allow you at the 9 months mark due to market conditions

[daring gazelle]

oh you mean full time

[frank wedge]

So that’s 9 months before coming L3, when they already have a normal new grad program

Yeah full time

[daring gazelle]

I thought you mean feet into meters as in math

[daring gazelle]

oh well

you do what you have to do at this point

[frank wedge]

Ofc, just wanted to point it out though. Esp if you eventually get multiple offers

[tardy geode]

multiple offers is a thing of 2021

[fallen fox]

friend of mine graduated with 0 internships in 2021

2 months later had a 160k offer at IEX

[frank wedge]

Well I had multiple in start of 2022 too, but obv it’s a different market now.

just wanted to put that out there because I feel bad for apprentices at my company that can’t convert, so probably best to take Standard ng if you ever get one

[nimble shell]

multiple offers I can’t even get multiple interviews lol

insta reject

[fallen fox]

i cant even get a single interview

[daring gazelle]

OPT brothers

[nimble shell]

I’m hoping things can recover in 3 months cause it’s an absolute shitshow rn

[fallen fox]

no chance in 3 months

[nimble shell]

I don’t want to have a 3+ month unemployment gap on my resume ong

[daring gazelle]

ngl if i was just interviweing like normal americans I probably would have a job by now

[fallen fox]

me neither, but i'm thinking of lying about my internship end date

maybe i can extend it from december 2022 > present

[daring gazelle]

yes

[fallen fox]

im getting desperate

3rd month of unemployment

[tacit grove]

this market is so trash atm 😩

[fallen fox]

2024 will be better for sure

watch amazon post ng 2024 in june

[pulsar monolith]

If anyone needs some non tech prep https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ER80H7Q52MehIvgzn3flwGJ1e-ZVvp_AHqCvtKt3M_0/mobilebasic

[tacit grove]

Correct. As they say "this too shall pass"

[prime palm]

bro

2023 is not over yet

[prime palm]

rela

x

[cloud zinc]

Unless a million software engineer new grad applications appear overnight, theres no reason to not panic at the state of the job market

[prime palm]

it shall be done amen

[swift falcon]

bro i am kinda panicking

all thanks to this discord

I was blisfully unaware before I joined

[slender niche]

I got into apple

[swift falcon]

wow congrats!

[cloud zinc]

Same here. But I got this career prospect blackpill from r/cscareerquestions before entering this discord server.

Also congrats Tuco

honestly pretty angry at the university staff that denied my concern over the job shortage back when I was an undergrad

[pine topaz]

what did they say

[tardy geode]

you won't progress hard if you don't panic

[cloud zinc]

Granted, I was freaking out over the scarcity of reasonable new grad job postings and how I would graduate without a job. Most of them dismissed these concerns by saying some bullshit like "ahh but new york times and nbc news that jobs are propagating at an all time high, you have nothing to worry about.". It didn't help that my senior project was the most useless nothingburger of a project that I had the misfortune of getting assigned to

[tardy geode]

a bit of panic is healthy

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/good-vibes-only-ananya-panday-positive-vibes-happy-peace-gif-16375018

sue your school

[tardy geode]

There is a difference between being optimistic and being realistic

people don't get this , like most people

and then they label you as pessimistic

[fossil jewel]

there's also panic thats terrible for you

[tardy geode]

[fossil jewel]

all in moderation

[tardy geode]

gonna gift you nitro if i get a job

[fossil jewel]

you might wanna take an IT job or smth if you need status

[tardy geode]

[fossil jewel]

nah its okay homie

gift it to urself <3

[cloud zinc]

like I was also panicking about how worthless the tools and scope of the project I was assigned to towards my professor. But this warranted nothing but a handwave along with a belittlement of how "senior projects don't impact your candidate worth for future job hunting". LIKE IM PRETTY SURE A LOCKHEED-SPONSORED CAMERA PROJECT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM A SHITTY BLENDER VR PROJECT. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME SCOPE OF COLLEGE DEGREE GOALS

[tardy geode]

i will gift myself a camera

[fossil jewel]

yeah its obv different, but dont limit yourself to your capstone proj

[fallen fox]

interview in 20 minutes

[fossil jewel]

good luck

[fallen fox]

if it goes well i get to stay in the us

[tardy geode]

praying for you brother

[swift falcon]

mb you right

[tardy geode]

[fossil jewel]

ignorance is bliss sometimes

[swift falcon]

i kinda panicked and that's why I was able to apply to 25 jobs last week

[cloud zinc]

I'm angry with how this project failed to be useful towards my resume. Especially with how this project utilized tools that has no business being in a software engineering senior project course. It honestly felt like it should've been assigned to a game design major project

[tardy geode]

see a bit of stress is good , if you stay chill then you won't work as hard as your true potential . that's what i think

[swift falcon]

taking a break this week, coz I have family stuff and to see if anything new kind of regenerates in the mean time, will probs hit hard again next week

[fossil jewel]

yeah your feelings are valid

100%

[cloud zinc]

Its been a year and I'm still pissed. Other project teams have had projects that involved full-stack and some even have companies sponsor their projects

[fossil jewel]

esp if little coding was involved

[cloud zinc]

mine was just grunt work for a graduate team's project from a completely different department

[daring gazelle]

In the US academia is the shover sellers you think they wont say there is gold to be dug up?

[cloud zinc]

I'd expect this kind of deception from coding bootcamps. Not from an ABET accredited university

[daring gazelle]

nah man

[tardy geode]

i couldn't solve binary tree paths wtf

[cloud zinc]

I know that now

[tardy geode]

i had to see the solution

[daring gazelle]

its not backpilled from job market

[prime palm]

Path Sun?

Sum

[daring gazelle]

its blackpilled in life in general

[tardy geode]

nope

[tardy geode]

https://leetcode.com/problems/binary-tree-paths/

[cloud zinc]

definitely an eye opener, but still annoying to not receive this revelation until after graduation

[prime palm]

Oh

Not bad

[tardy geode]

i couldn't come up with the solution at all

and its a easy prob

[daring gazelle]

as a dude you are treated like dirt and nobody until you get something. And since there are no roadmaps anymore. Mostly we have to adapt to lie more to get a job

A degree is basically a given nowadays

they dont even want to know what bachelor you have

just a bachelor

cause they know its all trash

[lone rapids]

Almost same as path sum which is todays challenge

[plush lily]

Who asked thst

[lone rapids]

If he wants to build on the logic he can with todays problem

So is 3.5

😂

[ashen musk]

lmao 392 codeforces rating, that's like unable to solve even q1

[lunar hatch]

how long is citadel's turnaround time

after phone

[tardy geode]

i am unable to develop that thinking which would make you write a clean recursive soln for Binary tree probs

i have watched idk how many vids on it

still unable to

fk LC

[west egret]

You can do that one with a DFS. I did it with a stack by storing tuples containing the node and the path up to that point.

[chilly anchor]

anyone working on multiple jobs as new grad?

Currently on OPT

[gleaming fable]

yeah I'd be insanely lucky to even have 1 job this season

since I had 3 ft offers with no internships in '22

[chilly burrow]

Only 21/80 mediums? No it isn't lol.

Also 3/45 hards is bad as well...

[jaunty basalt]

The amc score isn’t even enough for AIME

So ap English is hard

[tardy geode]

wtf is this job description

💀

[lunar hatch]

Chatgpt time

[gleaming fable]

🇬 🇮 🇹 🇭 🇺 🇧

[errant karma]

Tbh this pretty terrible

[tardy geode]

how did you guys improve in recursion

i am just unable to come up with recursive solutions 😭

[split plaza]

practice

[raw echo]

^for me, re-writing it as a for-loop and focusing a lot on end conditions helped

[obsidian quartz]

I know it's too late but are there any open positions left for 2023 new grads who provide visa sponsorship that I can apply to now?

[earnest perch]

nope

[lunar hatch]

Almost none

[obsidian quartz]

Any hope man? Can I apply for 2024 grads if my graduation is in 2023 january?

[earnest perch]

yeah you can

[lunar hatch]

You already graduated?

[earnest perch]

the competition for 24 grads is gonna be insane

if there even is a 24 grad cycle

[obsidian quartz]

In that case what positions should I consider for applying with 2 internships, 1 Full time job experience of 3 months (had to leave because of my final exam)? Worked in Full Stack Development.

[obsidian quartz]

yeah

[lunar hatch]

Just apply to whichever you can find online

I am in very similar situation wrt experience

Three big-n internships

[obsidian quartz]

All of them are like "NEED 2 years experience" and I guess internships do not count as full time experience

[lunar hatch]

And am just applying to whatever on linkedin or so

[lunar hatch]

Why not? It depends on the stuff you do imo

If you do the project a regular FT does then it should be counted

[obsidian quartz]

idk. A recruiter told me, internships don't count as experience -_- It's only for Fresh Grad roles.

Any hope for us? The layoffs, the GPT-4, meta announced today they are laying off 10k more, continuing hiring freeze at least for the end of the year. Idk where it's going!

[jovial latch]

well no where good thats for sure especially with this bank shit

[lunar hatch]

idk tbh. I am just hoping that at least one would come thru

[obsidian quartz]

Doing leetcodes now should even be considered as an investment?
Remember back then when people were like just do 300-500 lcs and you will meet BigTechs pretty soon

[lunar hatch]

currently in process with three companies and have a delayed offer and am keeping applying everyday

[daring gazelle]

isnt it bad to have recursion in your program?

[obsidian quartz]

I kinda don't even have the inspiration to do lcs.

[lunar hatch]

u never know what would happen next

on average i would get 10+ rejections and 1-2 next steps/interviews stuff per week

[fossil jewel]

kinda?? but for LC such as trees and dp its a must have tool

[rain patio]

i mean

[fossil jewel]

the fear with recursion would be stack overflow

[rain patio]

not always

[fossil jewel]

yeah not always

[chilly burrow]

i nvr vibed wit dat advice tbh

[fossil jewel]

but i think for DP (which im not good at) if you're able to see the problem recursive you can optimize it

i think 300 LC is too much

diminishing returns

[rain patio]

you can do DP iteratively too a lot of the time

[chilly burrow]

i sort of agree

[fossil jewel]

i think its the visualization

[chilly burrow]

it depends on da person tho

[rain patio]

no ur just coping oreo

[fossil jewel]

[fossil jewel]

i mean my goals in life are different

[chilly burrow]

after dis many

i can solv hards

[fossil jewel]

im not trying to get HFT

[rain patio]

ik ur srs but

thats exactly what a cope enthusiast would say

[fossil jewel]

WOW

the disrespect

[rain patio]

next you'll say i like to have wlb

[fossil jewel]

[fossil jewel]

i do

thats the best

i refuse to be a corp slave

[rain patio]

u already are one oreos

stop lying to yourself

[fossil jewel]

i am

until

5:00PM

then i am Oreos

sometimes you stay later thats ok

im not doin 9-9 everyday

[rain patio]

same

[tardy geode]

goated

[pine topaz]

no u dont batcoz u spend 24 hrs a day on discord

u have no life

[tardy geode]

24hours a day leetcode = no life

[jade solar]

Quite the opposite. Leetcode IS life

[tardy geode]

[sleek owl]

INTL students can’t even do that

[lone rapids]

@chilly burrow which company u got offers from

[shut crescent]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/technology/meta-facebook-layoffs.html

21k people total

[whole berry]

nice job

[chilly burrow]

A startup lol

[granite trench]

My brain starts leaking after a week of not doing leetcode

[whole berry]

mine too

thats why just do dailies

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

bruh I hate this

I will kick whoever designed linkedin’s search function in the nuts

if I ever meet them

[azure smelt]

yea its weird

y am i being shown sales positions

[tardy geode]

this is nothing , i saw a sous chef position under software engineer

[swift falcon]

I got victoria secret sales retail associate

I should have applied

booba

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

let me get you into a bra that fits sweetie

[plush lily]

Is meta imploding?

[shut crescent]

zuckerberg is a lizzard thats why

[tardy geode]

its in the phase 2 of dying

https://tenor.com/view/zuckerberg-inside-job-facebook-conspiracy-gif-23567495

[fossil jewel]

@fervent drift he said the W word

[fervent drift]

bro being sexist in 2023

[fossil jewel]

fr

[fervent drift]

smh we need to ban HIM

[rain patio]

300 lc and still a sexist

[fossil jewel]

[rain patio]

[fossil jewel]

maybe thats why

🚫

but like

i dont think they deal with the code

or matching algo

[rain patio]

debatable

[fossil jewel]

yeah linkedin is generally scuffed

[fossil jewel]

IM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT I WOKE UP TODAY

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

do you think the "jobs based on your profile" is gas

what if thats how they lure in the copers

[fossil jewel]

idk i dont look at it anymore

most postings have crazy # of applicants

[fervent drift]

smh

[rain patio]

[chilly burrow]

Idt any of these r entry level

[tardy geode]

backtracking is basically lot of DFS right?

[chilly burrow]

Also Stripe isn't hiring entry level at all afaik

[fossil jewel]

i see stripe, and doordash too

[rain patio]

im not entry level

[tardy geode]

nobody hiring entry level except L3 Harris

L3 Harris is the GOAT

[chilly burrow]

Ok den

[rain patio]

im in hs rmbr

[fossil jewel]

mongooo

[chilly burrow]

@rain patio not relevant

[tardy geode]

this is not even mid right ?

[rain patio]

?

[tardy geode]

my LC stats

[chilly burrow]

Nah dats higher than most afaik

[rain patio]

i don't count ezs

[fervent drift]

bro he deleted it LMAO

[fossil jewel]

i mean it was pretty sexist in a sense

[rain patio]

u guys are actual SJW bullies

[tardy geode]

ezs pave the way to mediums thats why i do it

[fervent drift]

yea "probably a woman" fucked up smh

[tardy geode]

[fervent drift]

wait was it you who said it lmao

[rain patio]

no what

ur gaslighting now

[fervent drift]

then how we bullies

we just helping bridge the gap between men and women

equal treatment for both

[fossil jewel]

ah that got misinterpreted

[tardy geode]

[fossil jewel]

you made it sound like the bad design/matching was because a woman did it

[chilly burrow]

Are most pms women?

[fervent drift]

idek what gaslighting is

i think you're tryna gas light me smh

[tardy geode]

what's the diff between PM and TPM

[fervent drift]

if i knew what gas lighting was i would do it

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

ur not a real feminist if you don't know what gaslighting is

[fervent drift]

now you're saying i dont stand for womens rights??

[fossil jewel]

gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[fervent drift]

this is just fucked

catbox needs to be exterminated

[rain patio]

ok slay queen

[fervent drift]

now youre assuming MY GENDER???

HOW CAN CATBOX KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS??

[fossil jewel]

yeah the phrasing was off

[rain patio]

no? are you assuming only a specific gender can be queen?

ur fucked up

[fervent drift]

how could you call me a queen without knowing my gender?

[rain patio]

anyone can be a queen

[fossil jewel]

we're all queens on this lovely day

[fervent drift]

example?

[fossil jewel]

queen the band

[rain patio]

yahkunas a queen

and hes a guy

[chilly burrow]

Idt thats true

[fervent drift]

@pulsar mural prove this statement?

[fossil jewel]

if he's a queen im overthrowing the queen

[chilly burrow]

These jokes r lame af

[mossy fiber]

🙏linkedin do not recommend me to be a software engineer

[fervent drift]

did kirby leave ?

[fossil jewel]

yeah a while back

[fervent drift]

why

miss bro

[fossil jewel]

think it was the #quants-n-traders

[chilly burrow]

Dats prob an exception

[fervent drift]

ahh cant handle em?

[chilly burrow]

In tech rule of thumb is that most roles are male-dominated

[fervent drift]

they can get annoying and have a big god complex

[fervent drift]

sir?

in this day and age?

@fossil jewel we got another one

[fossil jewel]

yeah thats still the case?

mostly male dominated

[chilly burrow]

Ye lol

[fossil jewel]

i think what can skew the perception is that many women swe's go into PM after some time

[rain patio]

i thought pms and designers were mostly women too

[fervent drift]

pms mostly yea

i have not seen many male pms

and if there are male pms then they got in early

[rain patio]

at least it's not a complete sausage fest

[chilly burrow]

Even then it's mostly men afaik

[fervent drift]

whereas cs is just a t-booster

[chilly burrow]

Like 60/30

[fervent drift]

chess

been playing chess, wanna get better, anyone here play regularly?

[sonic coral]

What elo are you

[chilly burrow]

For SWE it's lower

Like 15/85

[fervent drift]

bruh my rating like 430 i started like in october

[rain patio]

i thought swe was 5/95

[grizzled bronze]

Butt plug

[sonic coral]

Lol im not that much better I’m like 800 in blitz

1k in rapid

[fervent drift]

zam

yes

notion

[chilly burrow]

Ye

Notion

[rain patio]

no

notion

[fervent drift]

just over 180 apps is beginner level

try 500

or 400000000000

[chilly burrow]

Actually I've switched over to Obsidian

[dusky tapir]

I have a painful cyst on my back

[chilly burrow]

Which is pretty good imo

[fervent drift]

pop it

whats the 5.5in for @dusky tapir

i like notion

nice templates

[tardy geode]

how ?

[fossil jewel]

notion is neat

there's a template

[chilly burrow]

Templates

[tardy geode]

How do you guys do it using notion?

oh

[rain patio]

why do you track apps

[fossil jewel]

https://www.notion.so/templates/job-hunt-tracker

[tardy geode]

but you gotta type it out each time you apply right

[rain patio]

its all in your email

[fossil jewel]

i get other emails

[fervent drift]

templates and tryna learn it too

[fossil jewel]

consumerism

[fervent drift]

i take notes on it

[chilly burrow]

• so i can follow up
• compare to others
• feel bad abt myself

[chilly burrow]

I delete them

[fervent drift]

lost count

[rain patio]

i dont need to track apps to do those last two things

[fervent drift]

u like us fr

[chilly burrow]

It rlly helps

I advise u try it

[fervent drift]

dw billion, your time will come

[timber rock]

200ish

[fervent drift]

mid 200s for me though

out of 200 only 30 follow ups and 4 interviews and 1 offer

[chilly burrow]

Dats a good ratio tbh

[fervent drift]

wasnt for my mental health at the time

almost died

[fossil jewel]

congrats on the offer

[fervent drift]

oreos you've known about the offer

[chilly burrow]

Damn I hope you're feeling better

[fervent drift]

ive been in #full_timers ever since

[chilly burrow]

Congrats on the offer

[rain patio]

oreos doesn't remember you

[fossil jewel]

starts with v

[rain patio]

i do though

[fervent drift]

i mean not literally almost died, just felt like a failure

[fervent drift]

yes

[fossil jewel]

ok i remember

SEE BATCOX

[fervent drift]

he did forget ngl

[chilly burrow]

Veeva

[fervent drift]

no

[chilly burrow]

Oh damn

[fervent drift]

i got rejected from them

[fossil jewel]

u sell vans

u guard them

[rain patio]

u steal old people's money

[fervent drift]

guardian of the vans

[fossil jewel]

u write c++ code

[fervent drift]

assembly

wonder how you got that

[west egret]

Vandelay Industries

[rain patio]

VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY

[fossil jewel]

virgin airlines

[fervent drift]

catbox and oreos gonna get me fired before the BGC even happens

[rain patio]

if you're not hiding something BGC will be ez

[fossil jewel]

fr

[fervent drift]

define hiding

[fossil jewel]

they just ask for old employment records

[fervent drift]

what counts as hiding

[fossil jewel]

i mean

no felonies

right?

[fervent drift]

correct

[fossil jewel]

right?

[fervent drift]

right

[rain patio]

yo wtf

LOL

[fervent drift]

???

[fossil jewel]

i mean to do

shake

[fervent drift]

lol

[fossil jewel]

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT

[fervent drift]

u can still delete...

[fossil jewel]

im not gonna delete

im not a coward

[fervent drift]

gets banned

but ye only thing im worried about is that one of the startups i worked with is now like dead

so

[west egret]

Kirby?

[fervent drift]

idk if they gonna like

talk to them or not

[fossil jewel]

you have w2 and pay stub?

[fervent drift]

unpaid internship

[fossil jewel]

then no need

[fervent drift]

i have offer letter though

[fossil jewel]

think the check is in terms of tax related matters

[fervent drift]

okay

[fossil jewel]

like they just ask for jobs within 3-5 years

i think if your company has compliance laws you have to disclose???

[rain patio]

ok

[fossil jewel]

or you're not allowed to trade during your employment

im not completely sure

tbh

[rain patio]

when was this

[lone rapids]

Tc

[rain patio]

did you lose money

if you lost money you dont owe the irs

you just owe urself

for being bad

nope

[fervent drift]

what

[rain patio]

ok but seriously

i think bgc is just to verify you've worked where you've claimed to work

• you didn't lie

[fossil jewel]

also crime checking

you'll see whats needed when u get the deets too

[chilly burrow]

Wat?

Did u mean 2 type thx?

[fossil jewel]

nah they wanna know how much bank ur gonna make

congrats tho!

[chilly burrow]

Oh idk it's all equity

[rain patio]

hes making big bank

[chilly burrow]

So I'm hoping it'll get big

Fingers crossed 🤞

It sucks that they can't pay

[rain patio]

bad timing dude lol

[chilly burrow]

But it is a startup

[fossil jewel]

yeah hopefully it turns into more

[chilly burrow]

So it's the norm

[graceful crown]

Can they see how long i worked somewhere in the background check?

[chilly burrow]

If it becomes the next Stripe

[graceful crown]

I have extended my internships by over 4-5 months on my resume

[chilly burrow]

My equity will make my salary around 80k

[rain patio]

what

[chilly burrow]

Hope that answers your question @lone rapids

[rain patio]

you mean 800?

[fallen fox]

they could always call HR if you let them

[chilly burrow]

No 80k lol

[fallen fox]

otherwise not really

[chilly burrow]

It's a ng role

Not a staff engineer

Lol

[rain patio]

naaaaa ive seen those startups tc

[chilly burrow]

How?

I'm the first hire

[rain patio]

oh

[chilly burrow]

Wat startup r u refering to?

[fossil jewel]

for me they did actually

[rain patio]

one of the kewl ones backed by greylock

[fossil jewel]

they asked start date and end date

[chilly burrow]

Which one

Stripe?

[rain patio]

stripe just laid off

guh

[chilly burrow]

Idt I'm smart enuf 2 land it lol

[rain patio]

oh sorry

same though

[fossil jewel]

u made cool bots!

[chilly burrow]

Ye dats not enuf lol

[tardy geode]

Soulks is smart af , he just being humble

[rain patio]

dw just practice some LC and im sure you'll get a great job soon

[chilly burrow]

I do hav a job lol

At da startup I was talkin abt

[austere sand]

im going into master's cuz getting a job in this market is AIDS

[swift falcon]

how is masters gonna help that

i hab a mastas and still having trouble

[dusty mauve]

no, lots of people in your boat

a lot of people do indeed go back to school

[swift falcon]

i have had no internships

i had one with my current company technically, but it doesn’t count since ai literally did the same thing pretty much

[dusty mauve]

do you have any previous internships at known companies?

[rain patio]

you can still apply? i thought apps were due months ago

unless you mean for spring cohort

yea

also wtf your resumes actually p good

[dusty mauve]

Yea it's good

What I would do is keep applying tbh while doing the masters

but if you don't wanna pay, then just keep applying rn

and grind leetcode or whatever

[rain patio]

sponsorships a bitch

if its free id give a second try

[dusty mauve]

it's also clear you do a lot of python stuff profesionally, which isn't too hot rn maybe that's why

oh shoot ur not us citizen dang

[chilly burrow]

Y move 2 Canada?

We don't hav jobs here either lol

R u an American citizen?

You can't get TN unless u r Canadian, American, or Mexican

[rain patio]

do you have something lined up in canada?

[chilly burrow]

Yeah around that long

[rain patio]

then what would be the point of moving to canada

how long would your masters be

i doubt itll be for free

[pine topaz]

can u become a candian citizen with work visa

[pine topaz]

becasue canada is beter than usa

🍁

[rain patio]

if thats the case they wouldn't even be asking this q

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-dog-falling-gif-26009645