question for people who did the roblox OA, did you get all the questions correct to move on? Or did you just do your best and ended up getting next round interview?
@spring verge i did not pass any of the OAs and got the interview
#2021_grads
iron gate
i got like half the cases for each of them
i'm thinking the google form responses are weighed really heavily because i spent a lot of time thinking of my "why roblox" response
mental frigate
To take full advantage of an IPO we would have to stay at the company for the entire vesting period right?
ruby herald
Hi, anyone interviewed with Lutron Electronics? Would appreciate if you could share your experience. Thanks
nocturne relic
I just got OA for Roblox...but I thought they were pretty much done with their hiring? Anybody know if there's a point doing it?
ohh nvm...I should prob scroll up half a page before asking
blissful adder
if it makes any1 feel better i got a 675 on a codesignal and ended up getting offers (not from that place tho lmfao)
@tiny wedge this does make me feel better lol
young spindle
what sort of questions are Roblox asking on their OA?
tribal timber
Anyone took the Palantir OA (Flood maps version A) ?
sterile field
Has anyone received OA from Tiktok?
mental frigate
@sterile field did you?
rocky spoke
my tiktok app says "Written Test" but I haven't received one yet
sweet vigil
What about people who finished Roblox OA around 2 months ago and didn’t hear anything else yet, we will get interviews before the new OA batch right?
mellow vault
What about people who finished Roblox OA around 2 months ago and didn’t hear anything else yet, we will get interviews before the new OA batch right?
@sweet vigil I’m hoping! Mine had gone really well
sweet vigil
@sweet vigil I’m hoping! Mine had gone really well
@mellow vault same
mellow vault
I didn’t think they’d take more interviews let alone send out more OAs after seeing so many people waiting to hear back
earnest mist
Did anyone take the ByteDance OA? How’s it?
rocky spoke
Oh damn i didn't see that
peak dirge
Anyone else been getting a whole bunch of OAs and been feeling a little overwhelmed?
rustic ruin
lol where you getting them from?
I need to find more places that are still accepting applications...can't find a job rip
blissful adder
yeah, @peak dirge what companies?
peak dirge
Pinterest, Tik Tok, Square, IBM, Intel, Amazon, and MasterCard the past month. Only done intel and MasterCard. I also have a final interview with Accenture next week for their office in San Fran but I don't want to do consulting at all so I'm just using it as a learning experience.
peak dirge
It's just been super stressful with LC and studying for interviews and thanksgiving is around the corner and I can't even see family this year
rustic ruin
😦 good luck with the studying and all!
blissful adder
yeah i hear ya, i also just did a consulting final even tho i dont really want it. just take a step back and schedule them into your calendar based on the deadlines.
how long ago did you apply to pinterest and mastercard
cursive loom
lol
urban hemlock
big nerd energy
blissful adder
yeah what the f
rocky spoke
Consider yourself lucky to be getting OAs @peak dirge !
May I ask who shared the Verily offer in #new_grad_salary_sharing ?
cursive loom
Apple SWE 2 tho
daring bough
May I ask who shared the Verily offer in #new_grad_salary_sharing ?
@rocky spoke it’s meant to be anonymous, up to the person who submitted the offer details to contact you
ornate charm
Anyone done tiktok hackerrank ?
patent cloak
Surprised he got SWE II at Apple, MSFT, and splunk with only 1.5 YOE. I thought you need at least two years, but good for him
spring verge
May I ask who shared the Verily offer in #new_grad_salary_sharing ?
@rocky spoke they commented a little while ago publically like a day or two ago can probably look it up through search
cloud hearth
fasho tiktok squad bega @ornate charm
digital carbon
Yo who tf this legend with this offer dump
@high thunder it's probably [redacted]
mortal temple
pretty fat offers though
digital carbon
imposter syndrome here I come
blissful adder
^^^
tight marlin
has anyone received any next steps after completing the background check for vmware?
spice belfry
@peak dirge was mastercard the pymetrics?
got that in sep but haven't heard back since
mystic mica
NOBODY HAS DONE TIKTOK HACKERRANK/OA YET, it doesn't even open until 11/22, for 48 hours, and you'll have 120 min once you start
blissful adder
lol
noble crag
Does anyone have experience with signing and then getting a better offer?
noble crag
I'm not yet there but worried about ending up in that situation. How much time is normal to ask for, to consider an offer?
vagrant raptor
Usual offer deadlines are 2 weeks
noble crag
Yikes
vagrant raptor
The situation is pretty common where someone accepts an offer and finds a better one and has to reject the previous offer
noble crag
If it's common I guess that makes me feel better
blissful adder
can someone explain that process? signing an offer doesnt bind you to anything?
vagrant raptor
For the offers I have signed, there is an "At Will" clause mentioned in the offer
You can at any point end your relationship with the company
And the company can do the same
true ^
blissful adder
@vagrant raptor so you just email the recruiter?
vagrant raptor
yeah no prob, its best to avoid the situation if you can
blissful adder
yah
rocky spoke
Lol who's Apple salary is that? It's obviously not new grad
tired bay
Yeah it’s a 1.5 experience was at Lyft currently got Citadel and Apple offers
rocky spoke
why are they even posting in 2021 grads
tired bay
And negotiated Apple up from Citadel not me someone else
vital granite
because technically, they are eligible for new grad roles I guess?
Also Farmer how did you negotiate up? Need to take notes for negotiating pay
vocal carbon
Anyone have any clue on how much $ to expect from a 2-3 person startup
vital granite
all I can say is look up similarly sized startups and check their payscale
vocal carbon
that's the problem tho i feel, similarly sized would be maybe 5-6 people at most, and would have 0 salary reports
orchid ibex
@vocal carbon what position are you being hired for
and it also depends on how much funding they have
be careful of equity/stocks in a startup its pretty much monopoly money
vocal carbon
Lol yeah tiny startup equity is a lottery ticket
worthless in 99.999% of cases
@vocal carbon what position are you being hired for
@orchid ibex soft eng?
orchid ibex
are you a new grad?
vocal carbon
Yepp
royal rapids
@high thunder it's probably [redacted]
@digital carbon it's me
@rocky spoke I got put into the new grad pipeline for a bunch of places and the swe II pipeline for others cause i'm technically right on the border
royal rapids
I signed with Citadel yesterday
and then today my Lyft director told me they could match which would've been nice to know earlier 😭
spring verge
Has anyone gotten an email back confirming their interview time with Redfin yet?
royal rapids
but i think the comp ceiling at citadel will be higher if i can stick it out for a few years
blissful adder
and then today my Lyft director told me they could match which would've been nice to know earlier 😭
@royal rapids bruh you a lit ass swe
you a beast
teach me
royal rapids
I have a really good relationship with him (he was my EM when I interned in 2018, and my FT team when I came back and has been on a 🚀 since then)
blissful adder
all about who ya know eh
royal rapids
yep
i feel like i got lucky with most of what i got asked tbh
citadel was only 2 rounds of leetcode, the rest were system design or talking about my experience which i find to be waaaay easier
high thunder
considering your industry exp it makes sense thats how it went for you.
atomic badge
@royal rapids what was the LC difficulty level for Apple?
royal rapids
Mediums?
royal rapids
considering your industry exp it makes sense thats how it went for you.
yeah that makes sense, I got absolutely destroyed by their LC questions when I interviewed for FT before i graduated so i was caught off guard
marble pond
this ui reply design sorta sus?
marble pond
yeah that makes sense, I got absolutely destroyed by their LC questions when I i...
test
interesting
old kestrel
interesting
Interesting
mellow vault
this ui reply design sorta sus?
This is weird
rustic ruin
wtf how do i reply?
vagrant raptor
> wtf how do i reply?
click on the arrow next to the emoji button
when you hover over a message
mellow vault
I think my app auto updated or something because I did nothing and it changed in an hour
rustic ruin
when you hover over a message
genius
vocal carbon
> wtf how do i reply?
Test
subtle field
I think my app auto updated or something because I did nothing and it changed in...
same
gleaming sigil
Anyone done video karat interview with Intuit?
cerulean pivot
Interesting
lol
meh
all this does is hyper link
to the quoted msg
not that much diff from quotes
autumn lynx
jesus bro that bloomberg offer
someone teach me how to get past the resume screen for them
arctic drift
rng
rustic ruin
jesus bro that bloomberg offer
wtf who got that? that was not what i saw lol
spring verge
could be a masters grad
they usually have increased comp by a little bit
for the same entry role
mortal temple
aren't the other bloomberg offers similarly high?
arctic drift
yeah they're all similar
tired bay
Yeah that 150 offer is standard
unkempt echo
145 is standard, 150 is a bit negotiated
tiny wedge
is that 200k stock for roblox target value or predicted
orchid ibex
roblox ipo should be double tbh
i would expect new grad offers to be about 350k
that is if they are still valuing at 25
obtuse stone
Roblox gives offers already implying they're 4x the previous valuation
They popped off from covid but idk if enough to warrant 8x in less than a year
tired bay
Will be interesting to see if they maintain this user pace outside of pandemic
rotund helm
i think they basically struck gold for kids under 12
tired bay
Yup basically
copper fractal
how do you make money from a bunch of 12 year olds
when i was 12 even if i wanted to buy stuff on the app store i couldnt lol
tame latch
Parents lol
rotund helm
there are rich kids i guess
tired bay
Can’t the kids be “developers” on the platform?
rotund helm
Can’t the kids be “developers” on the platform?
@tired bay yea
the entire roblox product is basically a game engine
dire ferry
top developers on roblox pull in tens of millions a year
rotund helm
never used it myself but i saw its results as a kid
10 years ago there were DayZ clones, RTS games, tycoons, games where you can be a dog all built with it
dire ferry
i developed on roblox between 2014 and 2016, made a popular game on it when i was 13. ppl still ask me if i'm ever going to recreate that game, it had a pretty vibrant and loyal community
rotund helm
what was it called
dire ferry
blocklr
dire ferry
yup lol i did an interview with a journalist at Roblox over Skype
that was my peak tbh
jk lol
but it was still a really good time, i was so happy seeing hundreds of people playing my game
that's nothing tho compared to how many concurrent players current roblox games have (tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands)
rotund helm
yea they gotta give you that offer lol
dire ferry
i interned last summer and i have a return for next summer, i just saw someone mention roblox development and wanted to chime in
roblox employees can't cash out their profits if they decide to make roblox games though, so i'd have to give up on reentering roblox game development should i choose to work at roblox full time
brave kettle
anyone know if Microsoft TC is based on interview performance? i see some people with 110.5k while others get 119k base
dark jewel
yes, it's based on interview performance
most of the 119k's are returning interns who negotiated though
hollow sphinx
Anyone know the location and TC for M&T Bank?
round blade
Anyone can provide an insight about Citrix or Akuna Capital (C++ developer)? I have to make decision tonight 😦 I would appreciate your help
arctic drift
I feel like Akuna is the obvious choice here
Unless Akuna either really lowballed you
or Citrix really gave you a great offer
or you don't like C++
what are your opinions on both rn
quick panther
lol don't go to citrix
arctic drift
wait so Akuna lowballed you?
round blade
No, I think the price is fair
digital carbon
Akuna without a doubt
arctic drift
fair in general or fair for a trading firm
digital carbon
This is not even a question imo lol
round blade
in general
arctic drift
yikes
quick panther
if TC is too low then work for 2 years and dip
arctic drift
so not like this?
round blade
120k + 30k + 25k for the first year
arctic drift
is Citrix comparable to that
I'm pretty sure Citrix comp isn't that high don't know for sure tho
round blade
Citrix: 110k + 15k +14k stock (44k for 3 years)
arctic drift
this is where
arctic drift
I mean if someone's really against trading firms then
I guess
I think it's just priorities
arctic drift
if TC were the only thing under consideration then 100% akuna not even a question
@round blade why are you considering citrix
and why Akuna
round blade
Not really, since I am an international student, I am worry about the job security. this is my only concern
arctic drift
like what are your factors
digital carbon
Even disregarding compensation, there would be more interesting work and better career growth at akuna
arctic drift
Citrix has a lot of old people so you'll be really secure
Akuna you're prob technically less secure but like
Idk how secure you really need to be
round blade
don't get fired at the first year
arctic drift
yeah you're fine
go to akuna lol
trust yourself
you got through the interview process
you'll be g
round blade
Thank you so much !
round blade
I don't really mind the industry, I was a business student 2 years ago, lol
tidal hazel
to those who have worked before/earned a paycheck or ten, how do y'all recommend i spend the first few paychecks (or not spend it)? like, one of my friends has literally been pouring it all into his 401k cuz he's staying at home with parents
arctic drift
ah but do you want to work with boomers
whole spoke
did you negotiate with akuna?
tidal hazel
i dont wanna do that, but what would be some good tips
arctic drift
to those who have worked before/earned a paycheck or ten, how do y'all recommend...
bruh isn't there a cap to how much you can put in your 401k
lOL
round blade
did you negotiate with akuna?
At the final round, hr ask me about the price of other offer and gave me this one
tidal hazel
yeah, he means the max amount obv
round blade
ah but do you want to work with boomers
what you mean about "boomer"
whole spoke
i think i remember a guy on here got an offer similar to that and didnt have a competing offer, he asked for like 150k base and they bumped him up to 130k base
arctic drift
what you mean about "boomer"
my interviews at citrix seemed like everyone there was really old
round blade
my interviews at citrix seemed like everyone there was really old
I heard about many people work for Citrix over decades
arctic drift
yeah do you want to be a lifer
it's not inherently a bad thing, it's just something that's not for me
lots of people do the same with bloomberg
and stay for like
20 years
round blade
No, I may leave in 1 or 2 years
digital carbon
Can confirm many lifers at BB
whole spoke
if you havent asked for a bump i would at least try sending an email to see if you can get a little more
digital carbon
akuna will open more doors LMFAO
Absolutely
round blade
i think i remember a guy on here got an offer similar to that and didnt have a c...
Cannot argue for more 😦 I talked with hr on phone and discussed about this
whole spoke
ah ok gotcha
round blade
ah ok gotcha
They gave me offer just one day after on-site and I hope I learned how to negotiate the price before that
visual lagoon
Surely no company will cancel your offer for asking more TC right?
digital carbon
Surely no company will cancel your offer for asking more TC right?
They already kinda asked though
If I understood correctly
arctic drift
C#?
visual lagoon
In general but yeah, I wouldn't ask twice lol
digital carbon
Oh yea in general it doesn't hurt
noble crag
it's the most boring language i have ever encountered
C# is based
tidal hazel
wow, thanks, thats insightful!
ive been trying to do my own research but theres quite a few differing opinions so i'm trying to ask around haha but ty!! @quick burrow
tame latch
You can actually contribute 56k a year to a 401k using a backdoor conversion
tidal hazel
huh, interesting
last linden
c# is just java for windows
digital carbon
c# > java
high thunder
Declare yourself as self employed
digital carbon
is that a sophisticated way of calling oneself unemployed
also what the heck is a backdoor IRA
sinful hawk
Is it better to rent/buy a condo if you have to move to a new city for work?
silver owl
i dont wanna do that, but what would be some good tips
yolo it all on $TSLA calls
obtuse stone
probably rent unless u plan to stay there for a long time
digital carbon
buying can lead to a decent amount of losses if you end up needing to sell before the apt/house appreciates enough to offset the cost of commissions
I say this from my family's exp moving like 6 times
tame latch
Gotta catch em all
ocean geode
i am self employed. congrations me
vapid river
@round blade mind if i pm ya abt citrix
tired bay
Spring is more standard
I think he saying delay past Spring to graduate Fall to do another internship and get return and start immediately
Yeah some just did return interns for most part still fair amount of hiring but not as much as in past
woven tinsel
I interned with Southwest Airlines last year and I was hoping they would bring me back as a new grad hire
But they seem to be on a hiring freeze at the moment
visual lagoon
oof airlines during covid
tired bay
Most companies bring their cohort of new grads over summer Jan/Feb is less common graduating in Spring is def better imo
tired bay
No conversion wouldn’t be harder but some might say come back and start in summer is all
worthy spear
Hi has anybody here had a hiring manager interview at Palantir? Is it technical or non-technical?
orchid quail
Wow no idea msft had crazy new grad TC
Total Compensation: 233k year 1-2, 218k year 3+, goddamn
normal tide
Wow no idea msft had crazy new grad TC
That's not new grad. That's SDE 2
orchid quail
Oh, mb
wind acorn
That's not new grad. That's SDE 2
that's still baller status tho
how long does it usually take to get promo'd from SDE 1 to SDE 2
normal tide
that's still baller status tho
That is true!
tiny wedge
qualltrics sent me swag 
blissful adder
does anyone have tips or a template for how to reach out to engineers on linkedin?
at companies ive already applied to
torn talon
Hey fellas! I have a technical interview in 1 week. I remember that someone here suggest to grab a "anonymous list" or something like that in leetcode to practice. It is basically a good list of leetcode questions to focus. A mix with different levelsm Sorry, I don't remember the name of that "list" but it seemed pretty famous. Does anyone know what I am talking about? 🤪
vagrant raptor
visual lagoon
blind 75
vagrant raptor
@torn talon
torn talon
You guys are amazing! Thank you!!! @visual lagoon @vagrant raptor
mystic mica
Hey fellas! I have a technical interview in 1 week. I remember that someone here...
besides blind 75 your other best bet is LC prem and look at the company's question list
ivory star
If anyone wants to do a mock Object Oriented/ Low Level Interview, DM me.
silver bone
Hey everyone, I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I'm new here. What is the status on Google and Facebook new grad hiring for non-past interns? Are they going to open hiring? Facebook opened their hiring, a recruiter reached out to me briefly asking what role I was most interested in a few months ago, but she told me they aren't interviewing anyone from outside the intern class yet for new grads. Any idea when this will change? As for Google, they have yet to open their apps. Will they?
digital carbon
Pretty sure google has already said they're not opening external new grad hiring until January at the earliest
I have no clue about facebook but it doesn't look like they're hiring external new grads at all right now
silver bone
Any indication if Google will open in January or?
mystic mica
Hey everyone, I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I'm new here. Wh...
You're pretty much on the money. For some reason FB is allowing referrals to go through but people who use them, even those who have good resumes, are getting rejected. I've heard several times of people mentioning that Google (or some recruiter they heard from) won't be opening their new grad app until January
Amazon is starting to/already started to waitlist, and I think MS is hiring normally but it always slows down around this season anyways
silver bone
Yeah, one of my friends got waitlisted from AMZ recently..
I just don't understand why they are delaying it... 2021 head counts?
tired bay
Cause budgets are scrutinized in times like this every penny counts
tight marlin
I had a google recruiter back in august or september tell me they would open new grad swe roles in january, there's been others here that have been saying the same as well so hopefully it'll be the case
scholastic and fan duel told me they'd be looking for new grads in early 2021 as well, lots of places are just hiring experienced devs rn and holding off on new grad
molten tapir
FWIW I was on a bus the other day and I overheard a google employee say they were going to open up new grad hiring in February, not January...so...
tight marlin
wow, I wonder how competitive it will be with them opening so late with lots of people already having offers
dry mural
scholastic already opened up their role and closed it early this szn @tight marlin
tight marlin
oh that's weird, they sent me an email yesterday saying "we are delaying our recruitment timeline and will reach back out to you early next year"
mystic mica
They might just open it up again next year
dry mural
true
silver bone
@tight marlin I feel like lots of folks would reneg for big G lol
tame latch
Google thinks very highly of themselves
yes a lot of people might reneg, but you still have a reduced talent pool Bc people aren’t going to be waiting arround on google.
silver bone
Don’t get me wrong, I’m hoping the competitiveness is as low as possible lmao
mystic mica
yes a lot of people might reneg, but you still have a reduced talent pool Bc peo...
One thing to keep in mind is, a lot of people who aren't in discords/the grapevine or in the loop might not even know they're gonna tentatively open in Feb, they might just assume they're not hiring at all this year or something. Fingers crossed :^)
vapid river
Evil, i like it
wary basin
Google thinks very highly of themselves
Which is TRUE.
blissful adder
Think it depends on position/location for when they send it out
digital carbon
Google thinks very highly of themselves
Yea I find this really cringe, Google today is not what it was 10 years ago. The people who would've already signed with other big tech companies (i.e. the people Google generally cares about and wants to hire) wouldn't renege for Google imo
nimble plover
That TikTok OA was interesting...
terse umbra
Was it difficult
nimble plover
Personally I thought it was, but it depends on what you know. Wasn’t your standard leetcode kind of questions
rocky moon
I wonder if the tests are different for each position?
nimble plover
I think they use the same one for all them. But I think mine was for their Backend
silver owl
did u guys get a recruiter call before the OA?
rocky moon
i gota message
fickle rose
I got contacted by a recruiter on LinkedIn and I submitted video answers
terse umbra
I haven’t talked to a recruiter at all yet lol just submitted the app then got the OA
@nimble plover did you end up taking the whole 2 hours for the assessment?
nimble plover
Pretty much @terse umbra . Honestly should've probably ended my assessment earlier, not gonna get picked for the next round anyways.
terse umbra
Damn sounds like it’s gonna be pretty rough then 😟
rocky moon
there's a second round of OAs in December i think
but u have to have only applied to one position before this one
vocal carbon
I am doing the tiktok oa rn, def intereting
rocky moon
what are the questions like?
patent cloak
I don’t wanna share specifics, but holy shit this tiktok OA is hard
vocal carbon
I don’t wanna share specifics, but holy shit this tiktok OA is hard
lmao i ended mine, only wanted to do it for fun anyway as i cant work in the us
good luck!
autumn lynx
Are they leetcode style problems?
rocky moon
from cs majors discord:
problem 1 - easy af
problem 2 - medium-ish probability/dp problem (got 10/12 test cases - tho one of the test cases i failed seems to have the incorrect test output idk)
problem 3 - hard-ish math problem. I brute-forced to pass 4/5 cases, but will probably fail on the hidden test cases
problem 4 - medium-hard graph problem. passed all test cases
terse umbra
jeez
cerulean pivot
tiktok has a high bar
daring bough
isnt that a kesha song
cerulean pivot
tiktok is
terse umbra
if the OA is that tricky then hopefully you won't need a perfect score to get ur resume looked at
but that's prob what's gonna happen
spiral glade
Low bar to get through oa AFAIK
3 is enough to get an interview
At least, for Singapore's it was 3
spiral glade
I got rekt in the 2nd interview though
LC hard 
cerulean pivot
they just recently introduced OA looool
spiral glade
And a very very difficult to understand accent
wind acorn
isnt that a kesha song
TIL she changed her stage name from ke$ha to kesha
ornate charm
Is it best to renege before I sign with another company or can I wait?
copper fractal
@ornate charm Wait till you have the other companies offer letter in your hands
ornate charm
The reason I ask is because after signing, the company will probably run a background check on me and if they’re getting info from HR of the company I’m about to reneg on, it could be weird
Yes I do have it
atomic pivot
Thoughts about delaying grad a semester/quarter?
Not sure if this recruiting cycle will work out for me
vagrant raptor
wdym sadge? like you're not getting any callbacks or..?
atomic pivot
i did get a few callbacks, some bad interviews
im just not 100% confident i can land something rn
vagrant raptor
whats ur planned grad date?
atomic pivot
im gonna keep trying and decide over winter break if i should take some time off
vagrant raptor
yeah that sounds good, as we approach holidays, recruiting definitely slows down a bit and picks back up after so don't give up yet, I believe in you!
blissful adder
^^
fleet niche
Anybody khow many questions do you need to do for karat? I didnt have time to finish the third one, got about halfway through
brittle zenith
@fleet niche I think it depends on the company and the questions, but I passed with just solving 2
fleet niche
Thanks @brittle zenith
unkempt echo
i solved 1 question for rh and passed
terse umbra
i solved 2 for pinterest and didn't pass 🙃
maybe I think their hiring bar in particular is generally just kinda high
i felt like i gave a really good interview all around
terse umbra
yeah idk
its whatever, im not super concerned w it anymore, i think there's always some degree of variability when it comes to interviews
autumn lynx
i solved 1 question for rh and passed
robinhood?
unkempt echo
ye
autumn lynx
the code signal?
dusky robin
Karat
unkempt echo
karat
gleaming sigil
Anybody khow many questions do you need to do for karat? I didnt have time to fi...
For Which company?
worthy spear
If I asked someone a reference letter and they left me on read, should I follow up on my message or should I just forget about it?
atomic pivot
how long has it been
azure gull
Has anyone interviewed for IBM Devops Engineer role?
full shore
this tik tok OA is so fucking stupid
im a cs major i dont fucking know how to do math
storm parrot
Anyone can provide an insight about Citrix or Akuna Capital (C++ developer)? I h...
Hey @round blade can I send you a message regarding Akuna's C++ Role
worthy spear
how long has it been
Wednesdayish/Thursdayish
I asked for one from Xemployee and he said sure but then I pretty much said NVM I read it wrong and said that I will need it for another post and he said he'll hold off writing it until I send him the new job post. Then, I found one and sent it to him and he just left me on read
fringe kelp
hint: it's a DP problem
lol is it really?
vital granite
oof
not sure if you've seen the roblox postings in the 2021 grad process channel
they slow af right now
if you didn't do it early, then don't count on it as your best shot. interview with other places.
who knows maybe they'll speed up soon. a couple of days ago they did a lot of rejections
also got a rejection from jp morgan but I had withdrew my application first
eat it, can't take a rejection if my application wasn't in the process anymore 😉
mystic mica
dp table has probabilities
lmao DP table filled with probabilities, I've heard it all now
acoustic venture
Anyone have experience with TikTok OA? I have one for an AR/VR SWE position and I would to get pointers on how to prepare.
vital granite
Anyone have experience with TikTok OA? I have one for an AR/VR SWE position and ...
earlier in this thread someone mentioned this from one of the CS discords:
"problem 1 - easy af
problem 2 - medium-ish probability/dp problem (got 10/12 test cases - tho one of the test cases i failed seems to have the incorrect test output idk)
problem 3 - hard-ish math problem. I brute-forced to pass 4/5 cases, but will probably fail on the hidden test cases
problem 4 - medium-hard graph problem. passed all test cases"
difficulty terms are meant to be in reference the LC
seems to be a difficult OA, not envious at all.
acoustic venture
earlier in this thread someone mentioned this from one of the CS discords:
"pro...
ah.. thanks for bringing this to my attention.. let's hope I don't bomb this.. seems to be a tough one
subtle field
@quick burrow Just don't put it in your work experience section. Putting it in your bio/profile is ok imo
hybrid folio
@quick burrow I have it in my LinkedIn header but that’s it
vapid river
That's just gonna prevent recruiters from hitting u up
Why do that to urself unless u secured a faang
vagrant raft
No
full shore
who cares what other people think
if its something you worked hard for and are proud of and want to share go ahead
hybrid folio
@vapid river idk if for full time is different but I had intuit, Expedia, and pure storage reach out to me for internships after I put my incoming title in my LinkedIn header. I think it makes you look more desirable.
blissful adder
anyone know what the growth potential is like at the major banks in NYC?
fringe kelp
is applying again to companies that you haven't heard from in over a month or got rejected from a good idea? Like if I apply using a different email/account or something
iron gate
so roblox couldn't meet my deadline last week so i went with another offer
but i'm willing to renege with them since it'd be a much better offer than what i have right now
should i just tell them that i no longer have a deadline or just wait to see if they get back, my worry is they'll see i had a deadline that already passed and assume that i locked in with the other offer and reject me
digital carbon
If they ever get back to you, you can tell them you managed to get the deadline extended
royal hearth
Does anyone have a post interview thank you email template?
digital carbon
anyone know what the growth potential is like at the major banks in NYC?
I don't think it's very good, banks see tech as a cost center and banks in general have lots of internal politics afaict
But it probably varies by bank, I think JPMC or Morgan Stanley might have better growth opportunities than other banks since they take tech more seriously
peak dirge
For those that keep asking how the Tik Tok OA is...
https://reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/jzl6s8/tiktokbytedance_oa_perspective_top_30_us/
mystic mica
For those that keep asking how the Tik Tok OA is...
https://reddit.com/r/cscaree...
Lol I thought about posting that here but scaring one server was enough
zinc knoll
It was not div1C level
At worst like div2C
/ div1A
and the 26 letter cycle doesn't exist because the input string is |str| <= 25
acoustic venture
and the 26 letter cycle doesn't exist because the input string is |str| <= 25
did you find the question online?
acoustic venture
right yeah.. I thought if there is a collection of tiktok oa questions somewhere, I could practice from that to prepare
high thunder
lol
silver bone
AMZN Seattle vs MSFT Seattle? What do y'all think? Need to make a decision.
rotund helm
msft
silver bone
MSFT slightly higher comp and benefits
patent surge
MSFT no doubt
silver bone
@rotund helm @patent surge Why do you say that? I want to better understand your reasoning.
patent surge
I'd take MSFT > AMZN, even if microsoft gave worse comp
Amazon tends to have far worse WLB, and they have some really bad issues with PIPing employees.
rotund helm
you wont get pipped at msft
ppl make it getting pipped at amzn is a coin toss
and even then wlb is worse
unkempt echo
To play devils advocate if ur confident in ur ability and want to climb as fast as possible amazon is better out of the two
But overall yes msft is prob a better choice
silver bone
One thing I'm worried about is the comp at microsoft is pretty flat for the first several levels, which would probably make me want to jump ship in the first few years.
patent surge
Sure, but that's fine.
unkempt echo
Okay idk about 90 ppl climb fast working 40-50
vagrant raptor
thats fine, its normal
patent surge
I'd rather jump ship after 2 years of solid work than get PIPed 6 months in and be jobless
lmao
tired bay
Msft is safter bet Amazon more risk and upside
unkempt echo
I think comp at amazon has been higher lately too
patent surge
They said the msft offer was higher, though
unkempt echo
Also amazon is like actually in the city while Microsoft is about 30-40min our by car
Progression**
silver bone
I was able to negotiate the microsoft offer pretty well + i was a returning intern
But like I said after the initial stock grant
unkempt echo
If you plan on jumping ship in 2 years msft is prob the move
For the initial good offer
dark jewel
One thing I'm worried about is the comp at microsoft is pretty flat for the firs...
Amazon comp is just as flat
If you’re talking about stock appreciation, just take your Microsoft salary and buy amazon
tired bay
Lol 😂
unkempt echo
You can check levels but longer term amazon pays more than msft on basically every level
unkempt echo
levels would disagree
dark jewel
People take stock appreciation into account when they make their levels post
unkempt echo
No they don’t, it’s verified offer letters only
They take straight RSU value on the offer letter
dark jewel
Levels switched to offer letters like less than 2 years ago
unkempt echo
Levels was barely a thing in general over 2 years ago lol
dark jewel
That’s not true
tired bay
Amazon 1 to 2 base increase pretty good imo
unkempt echo
Very niche compared to today
silver bone
Does amazon have good refreshers?
dark jewel
Amazon refreshers are based off previous stock performance
So if the stock goes down, fat refresher. If the stock moons, you get nothing
With that being said, amazon hasn’t ever been down over a 2 year period
silver bone
Do you get a new stock award on promotion or?
dark jewel
Not immediately. You’ll get a 10-15k base increase then the next April you’ll get your TC evaluated
tired bay
You don’t get stock bump until year 2 if u get one
unkempt echo
@silver bone what are you trying to get out of ur first job tho
dark jewel
If your stock rose too much, you may not get another grant until you finish vesting
dark jewel
I feel like amazon is like learning how to swim by jumping into the ocean
unkempt echo
if you were able to pass this years amazon hiring bar im sure you're capable of handling yourself there
dark jewel
I’m in a coop program, so I’ve been doing 16 weeks of school/16 weeks of amazon intern rotation since 2017
unkempt echo
ofc im not a primary source though, just have a couple friends that are currently fte at amazon
dark jewel
I definitely learned a ton, but the hours can definitely be rough
silver bone
<@!343182133310783488> what are you trying to get out of ur first job tho
I want to learn for a few years before trying to move to a few other companies that I'm more interested in.
But I also don't necessarily want to drown lol
unkempt echo
do you know which teams you're on?
dark jewel
Amazon won’t assign you until at least March
silver bone
I know that I will be Azure org at MSFT
unkempt echo
Azure is huuge though
next onyx
Amazon tends to have far worse WLB, and they have some really bad issues with PI...
what's PIPing?
unkempt echo
if work/learning is the concern then it seems really team dependant over company dependant
silver bone
They do more specific team assignment closer to start date
tired bay
PIPing is where you get told to leave 🤣
patent surge
Essentially, it's a 'Performance Improvement Program', or whatever wacky term the company uses to describe an employee who isn't doing well.
daring bough
what's PIPing?
amazon's performance improvement plan (PIP) system for low performers. passing it is hard and it mostly ends in termination from the company
patent surge
They give you time to 'Do better' and 'Meet expectations', but it's just them telling you you're getting fired.
next onyx
ohhh damn
patent surge
Amazon does it a ton, as they often have unrealistic expectations of new grad engineers.
unkempt echo
azure is an awesome org
tired bay
Standard is around 8-10% for Amazon on PIP
dark jewel
It’s team dependent too. I would regularly do 60+ hour weeks at AWS, but my retail team was 100% out of the office by 5 every day
patent surge
8-10% of what? People who pass it, or people who are currently PIPed?
tired bay
People who get PIPed
silver bone
People who get PIPed
That is insane
acoustic venture
Found it! For anyone else who finds it useful, questions are posted in a reply to one of the comments here: https://leetcode.com/discuss/interview-question/945519/tiktok-oa-new-grad-2021
daring bough
its insane if u think about how big amazon is lmfao
dark jewel
Standard is around 8-10% for Amazon on PIP
Nah, it’s been 5% stack ranked for about a decade now
tired bay
I mean maybe company wide it gets diluted to 5% but team to team it’s higher
silver bone
Honestly kindof my plan lmao
dark jewel
Pip is pretty good tbh. Free 3 month salary while you go find a new job
I know a guy who got pipped and found a job in <2 weeks
For more money
So ended up getting a 25% pay bump plus his like 50k severance package
Pretty value
daring bough
is it true if ur on PIP you can't tell anybody that you are on PIP
like within ur company
dark jewel
I’m sure you can tell people whatever you want
But how often do people go around telling others that they’re underperforming at their job
daring bough
tbh my last internship i caused a SEV and i was lowkey kinda bragging bout that shit
but i think thats different
lmfao
still got top performer new grad offer lmfao 💦
cerulean pivot
still got top performer new grad offer lmfao 💦
flex more
spring verge
what's a SEV
grave gull
still got top performer new grad offer lmfao 💦
flex harder
spring verge
oh i see
grave gull
wait is this the trick
spring verge
wait lowkey cause SEV2 on purpose then be a critical worker to fix it showing that dedication
grave gull
wait lowkey cause SEV2 on purpose then be a critical worker to fix it showing th...
lol do you actually want that stress
spring verge
no no just a joke lmao
tiny oak
break the codebase from a coworker's account and then fix it from your account
easy promotion
spice mica
Has anyone interviewed with Vanta? If so, please DM me.
azure gull
I am once again asking 😂has anyone interviewed for IBM Devops Engineer?
dry mural
LOL
https://tenor.com/view/bernie-sanders-i-am-once-again-asking-for-your-financial-support-gif-16208683
@azure gull this is how it be
XD
GL finding someone
tiny wedge
i am once again asking if roblox is still 👻ing
brazen bough
0
real prism
Day 27172618 for me still no response from roblox
tiny wedge
good thing i didn’t let my other offer expire in hopes of roblox calling back
azure gull
<@!160871903899156480> this is how it be
I’m getting desperate🤣 Glassdoor didnt have much info either
tiny wedge
roblox after the final
supple fjord
inb4 i get a ps5 before i hear back from roblox xd
tiny wedge
inb4 i get a ps5 before i hear back from roblox xd
inb4 i get an RTX 3080
hollow hound
#2021_grads A lot of you will be joining your new jobs soon, many of you, your first (of hopefully many!)
I hope you don’t need to, but it’s likely you’ll be joining your new team remotely.
I recently joined Apple fully-remote and it’s been six months since then. I shared a few tips for joining a company remotely that’s hopefully useful for you all!
real prism
Hope they respond before thanksgiving seems like the most logical...
But I’ve been saying theyll finally get back this week for the past month so idk
patent cloak
I’d rather have a very difficult OA than one that’s too easy like JP Morgan/GS/PayPal/Vanguard where everyone and their mother can solve it. Because then it just comes down to luck/resume/networking to move onto the next stage. Those OAs made people get their hopes up. At least with a hard OA, it gives everyone a chance. Like if you do well on it, you’ll probably get a call back. If everyone can solve the OA you’re back at square 1. You def don’t have to get 100% on tiktok OA to get a call back, they just pick the top x%
blissful adder
Yeah for sure but theres a happier medium lol
patent cloak
That’s true, I think Roblox and Stripe OA was def a happy medium but there were still quite a few people who didn’t get a call back after getting 100%
tame latch
Oa difficultly doesn’t impact the number of people who get hired.
wind acorn
https://reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/jzmhzr/what_do_you_guys_think_of...
wtf
tame latch
It’s like if the class has a lower mean but is curved with the same distribution
wind acorn
smh hiring in this industry is so broken
tame latch
The original scores matter in context of how other people did
Well if you have a lot of people applying you have to filter somehow
It’s better than networking and prestiege
Which can be even more skewed
patent cloak
Exactly
tame latch
Problem difficult matters in context of how other people did
patent cloak
Yeah OA difficultly doesn’t affect the number of people being hired but it allows less luck to come into play
wind acorn
actual question
tame latch
I think they are arround 200 new grad
wind acorn
why tf does tiktok even need these type of people
wind acorn
the people that can solve insane probability questions
are they really gonna be good SWEs
wind acorn
the guy in that thread literally said he just did it for lulz
blissful adder
@patent cloak i think thats more of an issue of what order they screen resume/OA
tame latch
Look if they have a headcount need of 100
Then they get too 100 people on some metric
You could have easier oa and better bullshitters
terse umbra
lol they don't need 100 tho their engineering team is tiny
tame latch
Doesn’t help filtering
patent cloak
@wind acorn i agree with you but how else do you filter people
tame latch
Ok so that just means they have a lot of apps and very few spots
If u have 20 spots to fill and 10k app
U can’t give a phone to everyone
rocky spoke
i agreee, but this is actually ridiculous
tame latch
It’s like using sat math to evaluate the upper bound on people’s skills
I think it’s more fair to give everyone oa
blissful adder
^also cheaper
terse umbra
i mean sure but if ur gonna give a ridiculous OA before resume screening ur essentially saying ur profile/experiences aren't worth looking at unless ur a top tier CP god
terse umbra
which is inherently flawed logic i think
tame latch
correlation
if you know what the game is
then you should be better than other people at the game
wind acorn
recruiting is literally just an RNG anyway
tame latch
the point isn't that you can leetcode
terse umbra
we all know the game we still have a right to complain about how the game is broken lol
wind acorn
also this whole thing is flawed like
blissful adder
I think were giving companies way too much credit for giving a shit at all as to whether their hiring practices are 'fair' lmao
tame latch
they are trying to use it as a proxy of problem solving
blissful adder
they want good engineers period
patent cloak
TikTok’s recruiting is not RNG that’s what I’m saying
blissful adder
they all have their own way of deciding that
tame latch
if you put in the time to be good at cp, it's not rng for you
blissful adder
^thats not a small task
terse umbra
CP is a subdomaain that not every SWE is interested in
tame latch
cp is a filter
wind acorn
i guess that's fair but being good at cp does not mean you're a good swe lol
last linden
wtf is cp
wind acorn
it just means you can hack together code in 120m
tame latch
competitive
wind acorn
that isn't readable
tame latch
problemsolving
blissful adder
"cool people"
tame latch
competitive harder than leetcode
tame latch
basically if you do icpc you are using that as a proxy of the talent pool
terse umbra
some are yeah
wind acorn
then there's this stuff
cursive loom
i just know they have a ton of anti-reverse engineering things in place for tiktok itself
which is kinda sus
maybe thats why lol
terse umbra
i dont think teh entire premise of LC is broken because large companies need a standard metric to judge talent, but demanding CP experience on an assessment before even looking at a resume
is a bit fucked
wind acorn
yeah 100%
tame latch
why do quant companies basically recruit from icpc
patent cloak
Testing basic DS and algo knowledge isn’t enough in 2020
tame latch
because it's a proxy
tame latch
for example people at the top are exponentially better
cursive loom
ofc
full shore
we should just remove competitive programming from existence
no ones allowed to program competitively
tame latch
competitive is just harder problems
well if you were good
you would do well on the oa
so it wouldn't matter
terse umbra
not necessarily lol
rocky spoke
HAHA this is just insane
terse umbra
wtf kidna logic is that
tame latch
doing well on oa
vapid river
Cs is crowded now, companies need extra barometers to weed ppl out. Simple as that
terse umbra
being a good swe means you would need to get 100% on an OA designed for competitive programmers?
what
tame latch
again
rocky spoke
honestly getting correct is fucking hard already. then u get TLE on half the test cases
rocky spoke
for reference, i got 835 on codesignal
tame latch
who are also taking it
rocky spoke
but yes this is way out of my scope
rocky spoke
china must have some ridiculous engineers
tame latch
getting 1 problem on putnam is very good
even though 1 problem is 10/120
it's a curved test
you just have to do well compared to other people
for example a particular quant company might hire 5 people
you have to basically somehow show you are top 5
yes they do
hrt
yes
how many round did you do?
i'm suprised they didn't ask you competitive
rocky spoke
@tame latch did u do the tiktok OA
rocky spoke
bro. why u here first of all and secondly, please take it
wind acorn
again can you lmk why cp experience should be relevant for a swe role
tame latch
you just have to do better than other people
rocky spoke
there's hard and then there's impossible. tiktok is veering on impossible
tame latch
because it's a filtering mechanism
terse umbra
the point is its a bad filtering mechanism
tame latch
not really
patent cloak
Like if was deciding to hire between two people, all things being equal, I would rather hire the one who could solve a LC medium vs one who couldn’t
tame latch
for example if you could solve lc mediuem in 5 min => probs stronger singal than lc medium in an hour
wind acorn
or it just means you might've seen it before
tame latch
Ok
and if you are able to see enough cp problems
then that's a singal that you study hard problems
mortal temple
I think the biggest problem with LC type interviews is that many people don't even realize that LC is important for interviewing until they actually interview. It's something that you have to know to prepare for
tame latch
because people can just memorize lc problems
and it's not good signal
it's just memorization
you can use proxies
flint halo
you can do ok at lc without prepping
tame latch
because you have to filter out alot of resumes
at scale
and the fairest would be a test
flint halo
you can’t rly say the same abt cp
patent cloak
@wind acorn I’m not sure if your suggestion earlier was serious but no one really has a better mechanism
tame latch
if tik tok gets 10k applications and has 30 spots
and has 20 recruiters
that's why
there's other interviews
after
you can add a system design round
but you can't give everyone a system design round
because engineering time is expensive
terse umbra
right given the fact that everyone has the foundation to solve DS+algo problems, which candidate does it better
wind acorn
@patent cloak nah wasn't really serious but essentially this is what happens during the resume screen anyway lol
tame latch
would you rather have a company screen your resume and you never have a shot?
or a cocmpany that's using bots to screen resumes?
that's expensive on scale
if i have to hire 20 people
and i have 10k applications
it's cheaper for a company just to send everyone oas
most companies have more recruiters
it's cheaper to do an oa first
on their end
have auto reject criteria such as sub 3.0 gpa
and give everone else a shot
to prove themselves
people who are good enough to solve those questions
are problem better at cs
correlated
and they just need to get positives
not all the positives
but enough positives to fill headcount
large companies need more people
wind acorn
are problem better at cs
*better at cp
tame latch
and hence different hiring standards
tiny wedge
wtf is going on with tik tok OA
tame latch
people being better at cp are correlated to better at cs
you don't need causation
you need proxies to generate signal
lol
cursive loom
wtf is going on with tik tok OA
tik tok oa hard apparently
rocky spoke
fuck
rocky spoke
who's actually taken the OA?
terse umbra
i have
tame latch
you're missing the point which is companies are trying to get good signal.
rocky spoke
let's here frmo those who have..
tiny wedge
glad i didn’t apply lol it would probably have crushed my soul
terse umbra
yeah it was not a fun time lol
terse umbra
but its w/e in any case their phone screens would have been brutal also
patent cloak
There are a dozen potential reasons why someone who could solve a LC medium in 20 minutes is a better engineer that someone who can’t. But that doesn’t matter. All that matters is there is a correlation on a large scale
rocky spoke
@terse umbra did u manage to solve any questions ?
terse umbra
first 2
tiny wedge
🍿
terse umbra
well on the 2nd one there was 1 test case i couldnt get but to make msyelf feel better i will say i solved both 🙂
tame latch
in a reasonable ammount of time
rocky spoke
@terse umbra i gave up after an hour lol
tame latch
if you can then you keep using it
for example if you have a correlated signal on a particular stock movement to generate an edge
you don't have to say that it's causal
but you can use it when modeling
rocky spoke
@tame latch what're u ranting about
tame latch
oh
terse umbra
i was about to, but i realized later on that the 2nd problem would need DP and once i realized that i couldnt just leave it blank so i tried to do the best i could haha
tiny wedge
is tiktok OA a code signal?
tame latch
and it's faster to hire that way
last linden
hackerrank
tame latch
for example if you can't solve any of the problems or pass any test cases
rocky spoke
@tiny wedge i wish man
terse umbra
but i got like 3 test cases on the 4th probelm which is as good as 0 tbh and then 3rd problem i didnt even try cuz i didnt have the time
tiny wedge
all hard OAs are just weed outs
tame latch
it's indicative of a lack of prep
real prism
did anyone else apply to tiktok and get a response email back with a super long random string in the email contents?....
tiny wedge
leetcode skill means almost nothing in the industry
tame latch
it's like the people complaining that weedouts are hard
tiny wedge
hit take
rocky spoke
tiktok OA is codesignal x10
tame latch
in school
terse umbra
code signal isnt' always bad tho its RNG
tiny wedge
hot*
terse umbra
but lots of times it is def
rocky spoke
codesignal is not hard, u just gotta manage ur time
terse umbra
yeah
rocky spoke
tiktok is insane
tiny wedge
lol i got rekt on code signal
tame latch
there's a paper that showed that that's optimal
i think the paper that the creaters of codesignal
rocky spoke
i think if u solve 2 questions on tiktok with 100% test cases, u can probably start doing CP honestly
tiny wedge
if tiktok makes their OA that hard then they’re just gonna get leet bots
terse umbra
anyone can start doign CP i think the point is you shoudn't have to
terse umbra
like anybody can dedicate teh time and effort to getting better at competitive programming
tame latch
basically ur trying to say is that not doing cp might ignore certain portion
terse umbra
but its not for everyone
terse umbra
and not everyone wants to explore that subdomain
tiny wedge
such a dumb hiring bar tho
rocky spoke
@tame latch where u working now
rocky spoke
u sound liek a god
tame latch
i'm not
the point of doing cp is it reduces randomness
in your hiring
because you can pass more interviews
for example if you can finish interviews faster
you can have time to bond with the interview over stuff
and demonstrate people skills etc
rocky spoke
we get it
patent cloak
That’s a good point, I never thought of finishing faster as more time to connect with the interviewer
wind acorn
mfw i thought i finished and had time to connect with an interviewer
terse umbra
some interviews will just keep asking questions if you finish early
wind acorn
then they told me that was the warmup
tame latch
you finish all the questions that they ask
and finish all those early
is it hard yes.
If you can do it though, it's very good
tiny wedge
i’m sure they’ll love it when ppl recite questions
terse umbra
right at that point its just memorizing
tame latch
You can finish the problem for them
if you want
if you know it.
As they are saying it to save time.
tiny wedge
atomic pivot
another day another argument over LC
patent cloak
I mean it can sometimes be a tired argument but he’s making some good points
tame latch
People who are "10x engineers" are significantly more effective at maybe only 50% more pay. The talent impact isn't normally distributed, it's more has a long tail towards people who are very good in terms of impact.
tiny wedge
go do codeforces
tame latch
You might be a good swe, and do great things in software, but from a small companies' point of view the purpose isn't to get very swe it's to get enough top swe to fill their headcount without getting false positives.
Quant trading needs math
i'll study math instead
tiny wedge
does 36 act mean you’re top of the class?
tame latch
36 actisn't because it doesn't have a high enough bar
it's limited as a metric because the questions are too easy
rotund helm
so lost
mortal temple
why does tehee love quant trading so much
tame latch
and is more a test of how many dumb errors did you make
tiny wedge
how’s that any different from CP
rotund helm
idk i just remember this guy as the dude who was saying 100k in nyc was garbage
tiny wedge
leet is hard enough as it is
tame latch
because cp isn't a measure of how many dumb errors you can make
tiny wedge
it’s a measure of how many algos you can hammer into your head
tame latch
no
mortal temple
I thought the point of coding interviews is to see that you can code and to see that you're a critical thinker
tame latch
i'ts a measure of problem solving skills
rotund helm
yes and no
tame latch
if you are able to see more things you can solve problems faster
if you are able to connect ideas together faster that's an indication of better critical thinking skills.
rotund helm
there are ppl who can solve most leetcode intuitively but they dont make a big percentage of cs applicants much less the general population
tiny wedge
not everyone has the time to bury hours into this stuff
rotund helm
for most ppl its just pattern recognition + practice + pray
tame latch
implementation is important.
rotund helm
i just hate lc bc it has nothing to do with the job
feels like a waste of time
make me sad 😦
tiny wedge
the bar shouldn’t at the level of CP for the initial weedout lmao
atomic pivot
gatekeeping swe if you dont have enough time/resources to do CP
rotund helm
but yeah CP is too high
tame latch
And you don't have to work at the company
it's the same thing they have to weed people out
and it's a cheap way for them to do it.
tiny wedge
how is cp any cheaper than regular lc
rotund helm
ideally i think most interviews should ask around LC med to check for problem solving skills and then focus on behaviorals + experience
tame latch
And that would be fine for most companies
where supply and demand have a reasonable balance.
But if supply outstrips demand, they have to filter harder.
Because their engineers can only interview so many hours.
tiny wedge
most people probably aren’t gonna figure out a CP problem with regular skills