2021_summer

[sage hinge]

sounds like a personal project lol

if it was seattle/sunnyvale i'd consider walmart

[west isle]

servicenow full time also pays quite a lot better than walmart's bentonville location

[sage hinge]

yep

[woven wren]

Honest to God I feel like most avg SWE full times pay more than bentonville's

[sage hinge]

im doing a part time swe internship with little funding and im still getting 20/hr, you'd think a fortune 100 company could do better lol

[woven wren]

Career dev wise tho do u think the ServiceNow position will look impressive to other companies

[woven wren]

Lol yeah they're cheaping out on their interns, it's p disappointing

Dude they're fortune #1 I'm p sure

[night surge]

they are

[sage hinge]

even the seattle location is kinda low lol but i think servicenow is pretty widely known

[night surge]

they're not the only ones that do that too

[woven wren]

I heard apple pays really low as well

[sage hinge]

i dont think its gonna make a big diff between the 2

[west isle]

I think they pay like 35-40 for the sunnyvale location so ig they adjust COL, but id rather get paid 35 to live in a high COL environment than 23 in arkansas lol

[sage hinge]

its by seniority, 35 for juniors, 40 for serniors there

[woven wren]

^^ yup

[sage hinge]

yeah hcol + high salary + high taxes still trumps lcol + low salary

[woven wren]

Kinda sucks how we all came into the Walmart position expecting 40 min and got passed a 23 max compensation lmao

[sage hinge]

you should be fine both servicenow + walmart are good comapnies

[balmy blade]

Trust me

Take servicenow.

Software Developer = Software Engineer

This is a no brainer LOL

"ecommerce" is not tech

faang is not gonna value a walmart internship more than a servicenow internship

[night surge]

what about pharmaceutical companies, i dont work at one but they show up occasionally when i shotgun apps

or actually in general, not all fortune 500 are tech but they seem to have positions

[balmy blade]

Should be fine, but service now vs walmart is a no brainer.

[night surge]

ah i see

[balmy blade]

Shopify is the only one

Not "target/walmart" 💀

[night surge]

yeah no

uh it wasnt purely ecommerce

they are known for consumer goods

[balmy blade]

o

[night surge]

P&G

[balmy blade]

proctor and gamble?

[night surge]

yeah

[balmy blade]

Yeah they are op

[frosty ginkgo]

SQL joins the table of alive patients names with the dead patients deceased status without any backup

[night surge]

[sage hinge]

Target/ Walmart labs have pretty decent name rec LOL

[balmy blade]

No I know, but if you are debating between servicenow and them

It's pretty easy pick lol

[sage hinge]

Lots of people don’t even know about service now lmao

Overall You’re gonna be evaluated interview performance and actual work you’ve done not the company

[night surge]

seems fair

[sage hinge]

But if u want to talk about name Rec I think some dude on blind put out a random tier list(which isn’t great) but gives u a signal of what companies are at least somewhat known

https://www.teamblind.com/post/Ranking-the-SWE-Technical-Bars-of-Tech-Companies-oJ1hDQDH

Again the list isn’t that great but service now ain’t even in the comments lol

[night surge]

oh yeah hft firms were added in the comments

i was going to say, keep hearing about hard OAs

i guess for me its more about if i should even apply and if they have bargaining power when i need to "rush" other applications

[sage hinge]

It also depends on who’s interviewing u too. Like I’ve mentioned it a lot but my dad when he was interviewing senior candidates at google tended to favor other Chinese swe’s, and hated Oracle/workday/service now peeps for some reason even tho they have great name rec 🤷‍♀️. Then again he’d probably shit on Walmart too 😂

[night surge]

im new here so great to know

[sage hinge]

Honestly biggest regret in life was not getting into cs earlier. Just cause my dad would take me to work at google everyday all summer and I just played with the wii and massage chairs 🤦‍♀️

[night surge]

if i get a interview like the one from chris chang's video ill take it lol

[frosty ginkgo]

my dad only took me to work at cisco for like 1 day on the weekend

[night surge]

i do feel the same way, i just found out about it late

[frosty ginkgo]

office looked boring back then when i visited

[sage hinge]

Same

I was just there for the food lol

Big regrets should’ve been making connections when I was 6

[frosty ginkgo]

google food looks rly captivating

[night surge]

can be motivating enough

the food

now im pumped up

[frosty ginkgo]

the food comes with high pay also

[sage hinge]

Ngl I’ve started seeing more and more high schoolers on LinkedIn LOL

[night surge]

facts

feels like i did nothing in hs

[frosty ginkgo]

same

[austere quarry]

lmao same

ive had ppl from my hs reaching out for connections actually

[flat vine]

i see people flexing their college acceptances on linkedin and it makes me wonder wtf was i doing when i was a hs senior

[sage hinge]

Bruh

[frosty ginkgo]

bruh who does that

[night surge]

college acceptance

[frosty ginkgo]

thats so stupid imao

[flat vine]

i saw someone flexing their stanford acceptance lol

[austere quarry]

lmfao

[sage hinge]

They have shit like cashier and incoming college at x on their LinkedIn’s loll

[austere quarry]

ive seen those too like what :)))

[night surge]

they're practicing

to flex

[flat vine]

gotta get a head start ahaha

[frosty ginkgo]

i havent updated my linkedin in like 1.5 years

[night surge]

i think twice when i do something half decent

[sage hinge]

Also Am I the only one who thinks people put a little too much on their LinkedIn sometimes

[frosty ginkgo]

how much is too much

[austere quarry]

meanwhile i turn off updates to my network

[night surge]

yeah curious about that too

oh yeah those are off

[sage hinge]

Like they got every club/frat/service/or even personal projects as work experience lol

[night surge]

ive had someone make little changes and a whole feed is filled with them

[frosty ginkgo]

ew

[night surge]

thats kinda weirdchamp

[frosty ginkgo]

personal projects as projects thats ok but as work experience is wack

[austere quarry]

lol. i mean i kind of get it

if u havent done anything much, u just want to fill it up

i kinda did that with my resume in hs

[frosty ginkgo]

yea but dont put it as experience for coding projects

[flat vine]

someone in my network actually has Academic Projects @ <school> as their linkedin title and it cracks me up everytime

[night surge]

i didnt even have one

[austere quarry]

"national honor society member"

[night surge]

common app doesnt count

[frosty ginkgo]

are u a freshman lejoro

[night surge]

no

im a junior

like i said im late

[sage hinge]

Living human being 🙏🏻

[frosty ginkgo]

ur not that late if ur in this server

[night surge]

gladge, i dont have nitro

i just found the content for data science a bit more accessible so im not even a web dev guy

im on more of that route than anything

[sage hinge]

This is the weirdest one. Like gitlet is a project but it looks like she worked at GitHub lol

[night surge]

bro i would be fooled

[frosty ginkgo]

she alr has relevant experience

[sage hinge]

Right

[frosty ginkgo]

whats the point of just slamming a personal project in betweem

[night surge]

shouldve done ur own name LLC

or something lol

[sage hinge]

But yeah honestly don’t understand the value of LinkedIn when u can just post ur resume

[night surge]

there could be some things you cant fit

or maybe im noob

[austere quarry]

nEtWorKIng

[night surge]

oh that too

but the thing is ppl ask for resume when i reach out

[sage hinge]

Linkedin isn’t useless but I feel like the profile page part is kinda useless

[night surge]

so lol full circle

[balmy blade]

profile part is just ur resume in a profile form

[flat vine]

use your linkedin profile page to flex how good you look tbh

[abstract tiger]

Is there any openings for interns in startup companies for this summer?

[austere quarry]

what if u ugly?

[night surge]

i see posts about linkedin not being a dating site

[abstract tiger]

What companies give automated oa?

[slim creek]

probably a majority

[steady obsidian]

hoes gonna put anything as an experience

"helped an old lady walk the street" - > SWE backend
"drank bleach" -> Frontend CSS
"took a FAT DUMP" -> ML with Tensorflow

i better be getting SPAMMED by recruiters once I get my fulltime offer

[balmy blade]

i legit loled at this

[silver sierra]

There is 100% WAY MORE internships than new grad actually

Too many companies only hire from their intern pool... like the unicorns :(

[sage hinge]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=2454060001&keywords=amazon swe

im 90% sure half of them are the same application but lots more full time than internships out there

[silver sierra]

Well, I was kinda looking for both and that's just what I saw

[sage hinge]

or just apply to everything on levels.fyi

i think there are less new grad roles than internships, but way more fulltime jobs than internships

just cause like u said companies are replacing new grads internallyu

[silver sierra]

Ahhh I see what you mean, I kinda assumed that when people said fulltime, they meant new grad

[sage hinge]

ohh i ahd the opposite

im thinking of like junior/mid level roles

but yeah its why finding an internship junuior year is important so that u dont have to go thru new grad pipeline

[steady obsidian]

man i haven't even started my summer internship yet and i am nervous about fulltime roles in August

[charred roost]

Anyone do a phone interview with Zscaler yet?

Got one coming up this week and just want to know what to expect

[sage hinge]

Is this for the ml positions?

[charred roost]

Its for DevOps

[cyan valley]

Bro not every company has interns

but every start up and every company will have ft

💀

[silver sierra]

I was talking about new grad...

[cyan valley]

Im responding to this^

Oooooooooooh u mean new new grad.

[abstract wagon]

time for a gap year

[balmy blade]

^

That's what im gonna do

I might just push back grad, get a internship at a place I would return at 100%

[abstract wagon]

except i wont want to go to back to college
im already feeling senioritis now and im soph

[charred roost]

yeah same, the senioritis hitting hard and I'm only a second year

[warped wind]

same, once you get your first legit job experience, life becomes so much easier

[ashen needle]

senioritis as a soph highkey a vibe

i think its mostly online school is the issue

1 more month of this shit and then i dont have to deal with school till next January when its hopefully in person😔

[charred roost]

🙏

Are you doing back-to-back co-op terms or something?

[balmy blade]

Yikeeees

[balmy blade]

Wdym til next Jan

[ashen needle]

Summer then fall

[charred roost]

Gotcha

That's op

[ashen needle]

This year my school said everyone can come back to campus. And then 2 weeks before school starts they go “nvm”

[charred roost]

Lmao rip

[ashen needle]

I don’t trust them with shit lol so praying next spring will be in person

[charred roost]

Lmao

[sly egret]

felt this lol
just trying to at least pass my classes at this point

[ashen needle]

I’m not excited to see my gpa after this sem

I’ve kept it so nice up to this point

[charred roost]

Yeah I'm kinda scared to see how my gpa will plummet after this semester

I've managed to do pretty well up until this point

[sly egret]

my school allows up to 3 classes for pass/fail for this sem + last sem combined, i still have all 3 saved that im gonna use for this sem but it's getting tiring

hoping they curve at the end at least

[charred roost]

Damn yall got limits on selecting pass/fail?

Actually my school probably has limits too but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere

My school is doing a more lenient pass/fail this semester

Letting a D- and above count for credit

[sly egret]

i think at my school D- was passing for CS, as long as it's not a prereq for anything else

[charred roost]

Oh that's nice

For us its always been a C- or above so this is a nice change lol

[lilac cloak]

both online?

[ashen needle]

Yea

Well

Summer might be in person

But prob not

[lilac cloak]

o.o

nice

told my parents abt the fall thing

and my dad was like

apply more

and im just that like

lots of black scribbles over the face

"im tired"

"you should apply to more"

"no. im tired."

[dense solar]

Bro chin up and take a break

[lilac cloak]

it's weird bc

after i got a summer offer oger winter break i said i'd take it easy during the spring

which it kinda is like half or 2/3 of the time

but then fall was my free sem

but ig not anymore

and idk if i get spring off bc if i get a return to summer place ill take it

then again i dont need a whole sem off

too much time off is also bad bc i feel like im afk/too much opportunity cost wasted

[dense solar]

Don't guilt trip yourself because you're taking time off, you deserve it

[charred roost]

^ Taking a break should be fine, you've worked hard to achieve what you've achieved.

[steady obsidian]

hope y'all have a wet week fellas

[remote geyser]

Does anyone have their Final's week conflict with their internship start date/week?

^if so what do you plan on doing?

[lunar dagger]

@remote geyser try talking to your mentor or something

They're definitely going to understand

Mentor or whoever is in charge of u

[flat schooner]

spaceX recruiter reached out for a chat but I'm international student

[abstract wagon]

i said "uh" once(because i was trying to make up a realistic deadline since i had already accepted an offer when he asked if i had any competing deadlines)
and the interviewer started saying "uh" multiple times in every sentence
he seemed annoyed but barely hiding it

"could you uh explain more uh about your uh experience"

[dense solar]

[remote geyser]

so I asked but my recruiter said they could move my start date but my end date stays the same

not sure if I would want to loose a whole week of internship tho

[ashen needle]

doesnt really sound like you have many other options lol

[terse torrent]

Anyone got a renege template

[manic saddle]

pinned in #2021_grads

[terse torrent]

Thx

[thorny pike]

what should i choose partitime salesforce internship or fulltime jp morgan job?

[austere quarry]

look into the conversion rate for salesforce

[mild kelp]

Ya I have that conflict and I'm sticking with the same plan. I have a different situation classes-wise because only one of my classes have a final and I have to only skip work those 2 hours. Others have just projects due so I can submit them whenever.

I would still say pick the same date and don't push later since end date is the same. Check ur classes and see which of them have finals. Also u could let the manager know and they would be understanding that u have classes from what I've heard. Unless ur meetings at work conflict with the exams, you should be able to take 2 hours off since ur doing a remote internship. And it'll be a day or 2 depending on ur classes so shouldn't be hard to manage in the 1st two weeks since those weeks are rather chill.

[balmy blade]

jpmc is a stable solid job

[warped wind]

do you need 100 on OA to move on for IMC

[hushed citrus]

hey all!

do u know if coinbase defers summer internship offers to fall?

[weak fjord]

Microsoft about to acquire discord for 10b?

[charred roost]

Discord + Microsoft Teams + Skype + LinkedIn crossover

[weak fjord]

The craziest news I heard

[charred roost]

I was just joking

[weak fjord]

Was that Microsoft acquired Playstation for 250b

That would be insane

[charred roost]

But I saw that article too about Discord being acquired

[charred roost]

Lmfao

[weak fjord]

They could do it I guess

[charred roost]

I'm still kinda salty that Microsoft bought Bethesda

Just flexing on Sony, showing how rich they are lol

Plus most Bethesda games will be Xbox exclusive in the future

[weak fjord]

Yeah, they got tons of money

[charred roost]

but competition is good ig

[weak fjord]

But PS is still better

With less money

[charred roost]

I think they both got their positives tbh

GamePass is too op

[jagged hare]

time to get into MSFT calls

[weak fjord]

That's true

[charred roost]

Xbox games + PC games + EA games all in one service

[charred roost]

lmfao

[pliant hawk]

discord interns next year ?

[formal finch]

which is more resume impact?

zoom or tesla?

I could do both but I don’t wanna extend my grad date unless it helps a lot

[charred roost]

I wanna say Tesla

But I just like the Elongated Muskrat

[formal finch]

sameeee

I wish they pay more tbh

literally taking a big pay cut by joining them

from my prev internship

[charred roost]

I'm kinda surprised that they pay that low

[velvet badge]

what was ur prev?

[charred roost]

But I guess they're still growing

[velvet badge]

@formal finch

[formal finch]

32 per hr is consider high at Tesla

[formal finch]

Cisco with 36.11 per hr and 8K

[charred roost]

Damn

[formal finch]

I work on a cool product at Cisco, which is the Cisco WebEx products

At Tesla, I’m working on Tesla website which is pretty dope tho

[velvet badge]

how was the Tesla interview process

any LC portions?

[formal finch]

just OA

Technical about OA and JS

[velvet badge]

rest was like behavioral screens?

[formal finch]

Then a behavioral with hiring managers

[velvet badge]

ooh cool

[formal finch]

I got the offer after that

Not too bad

[velvet badge]

that isn't too bad

[formal finch]

The hardest part is getting the interview

[velvet badge]

yup

Ghosted everytime

[formal finch]

haha same here man until recently

[stray spoke]

@formal finch anything noteworthy that got you pass Tesla resume screen?👀

[formal finch]

I built a web app that find easiest courses at my college and rank each of them based on official grade distributions and rate my professor reviews

It was big react job that had a lot users like 18K ppl

Tesla love react lmao

[charred roost]

Damn

Brb gonna learn some react

[stray spoke]

I should build one for my CC lol

Get that user count

[stray spoke]

Time to grind react

[formal finch]

haha I hope tesla makes a lot impact on my resume 🙂

I hope my exp @ Cisco + Tesla will be enough for apple

[stray spoke]

It definitely will

[charred roost]

Yee

I kinda want to build one for my school

But I think we already have that stuff

[stray spoke]

I’m anticipating your junior year offers already lol

[charred roost]

Though they're in separate parts

[charred roost]

man's gonna get all of AFUNGALMASS lol

[formal finch]

plz I’m too small brain

I’m not that good lmaoo

I just seem good

I promise that I’m ass at everything lmao

[charred roost]

Impostor syndrome bad

[formal finch]

I’m lucky motherfucker lol

[charred roost]

Lmao

[formal finch]

In the end, I just wanna settle at Apple and do IOS engineering in Austin TX

I will be set and don’t need to do recruiting ever again

[charred roost]

Solid life plan

[formal finch]

unless Google hmu for nc

[ancient flower]

its dependent on the hiring manager

[formal finch]

My fam is from NC and Google is coming to nc

So, I can farm that TC and live at home

[charred roost]

Nice

Yee

[formal finch]

Housing market near RTP is going to sky rocket because of Google

[charred roost]

Just buy a house before Google get to NC and then just profit off of the increasing house prices

[formal finch]

That’s the goal but houses already like 400K tho

so, I’m thinking of splitting 50/50 on a house with my dad and invest into it

[west isle]

lol 400k still a lot of room to grow, starter homes next to google mountain view going for 2 million+

[formal finch]

haha well, do you have 400K as a 2nd year in college tho

I def agree it’s a lot of room but I just don’t have that fund to buy a property in college

[charred roost]

Just become a new grad employee at a trading firm bro

ez

[west isle]

lol new grad at google is more than enough

[formal finch]

yeah but I have to get into Google obviously lol

[stray spoke]

I’m bracing for it

[formal finch]

[charred roost]

[crimson brook]

[stray spoke]

@formal finch wait you’re in HS lol?

[green salmon]

Ooo

Someone viewed my Palo Alto

That def means a rejection right?

[formal finch]

No lmao

I failed the ap exam in hs and got tesla offer as a 2nd year in college

damn I need to make that clear lol

[stray spoke]

Lmao I got real confused for a sec

[formal finch]

haha English isn’t my strong suit

[cyan valley]

That's def enough

[cyan valley]

Failed which AP Exam LOL

[formal finch]

ap comp sci

well, to be fair, I got 3 and was hella confused

I technically passed but I need 4 😠

[frosty ginkgo]

what year did u take it

from what i gathered from like last year, the earlier years usually had hard asf questions

and it gets easier every year

[slim creek]

high school cs is extremely hit or miss

[formal finch]

2019

[hushed citrus]

coinbase defer to fall?

do they?

[steady obsidian]

hey does anybody how to calculate taxes

for instance if am interning in a different state by being in a different state... which taxes apply lol

[night surge]

if theres no indication on offer that you are based elsewhere bc ur possibly remote then you pay tax in two states

that means file in two states

but you should be able to claim credit on your native state

so that would be paid to the other state

not out of ur pocket

[last yarrow]

[runic tinsel]

will a recruiter get annoyed if I don't have access to my USA phone number since I'm abroad?

Given that there's a scheduled call for an intern position

[steady obsidian]

@night surge i kinda am confused what u mean by that

[upbeat fossil]

basically you don't get double taxed because you file your taxes in both states but only pay 1 of them

[night surge]

Yeah you have to file in both

But extra work to make sure you only pay for one

[austere quarry]

bruh i got a 2 on the ap lmfao

hs cs aint shit

[sage hinge]

Our teacher left halfway thru first semester so all I knew how to do with hello world

Still got a 3 from cramming last minute lol

[steady obsidian]

so I should only pay for the lower tax state?

my state doesnt have income tax lmao

[night surge]

wait

lowkey think thats poggers bc i always thought it was pay for native state

[steady obsidian]

my native state is the state with no income tax

and if I am interning virtually at Cali

I gotta pay no income tax?

only federal 12%

[night surge]

i have no clue when it comes to no income tax as native

but generally you would pay for your native and then get exempt from the other after filing for both

[steady obsidian]

folks who are interning at Intuit send me a DM

I don't understand this tax stuff

[lean nexus]

just plug your w2s in and keep on hitting next til youre done

[terse torrent]

is it normal for a company to ask for SIN as u are signing the offer letter? will that be held against u in case u renege

[earnest musk]

if u sign an offer letter its more for a background check

and i reneged and nothing happened

[terse torrent]

thx

[steady obsidian]

Is it only me or career fairs have been absolutely useless for y’all?

[low epoch]

If you’re URM and go to those fairs, they are poggers

I have seen codepath and greylock mentioned for non urm

If fairs can get u past resume screen, good enough lol

[sinful tusk]

the state you live in

[twin relic]

got 3 offers from career fairs this year. they can be hit or miss.

[torpid hemlock]

@steady obsidian maybe just use sprintax, takes care of everything for you

[abstract tiger]

Anyone got vocera interview for SW intern?

[ashen needle]

Anyone wanna explain what it means for a company to be a unicorn

1b valuation it seems

But i don’t understand valuation

[lunar dagger]

@ashen needle if you've ever watched shark tank, it's kinda like that

I think

So like if an investor says ok I'll buy 10% of your company for 100 mil, then that's at a 1 bill evaluation bc it's 10mil/1% = 1 bill/100%

[terse torrent]

Do u guys send email to recruiter when accepting offers

[dark junco]

What a company would be acquired for if it was bought by another company (like discord might be) or the total value of all the shares if it goes public

[ashen needle]

aha i see

[spare patio]

should i go to nyc

or just chill at home

cuz there's a chance i work remote even in nyc (tho I got some of housing subsidized, like $6k total so doesn't cover rent entirely)

[abstract wagon]

if you think you might want to live/work in nyc in the future id say it might be a good idea to go

[spare patio]

honestly... I have no clue but probably not. I would go cali or bust

[abstract wagon]

ah then i dont think you need to unless you want to get away from home or something lol

[spare patio]

yeah change of scenery is nice, honestly the big thing holding me back is laziness lol

living at home so simple

[abstract wagon]

tbh just live at home its easier

saves money

pocket the stipend if you get any

[ashen needle]

with regard to return offers, how hard do you have to try to get one in your guys' experience?

[simple jay]

depends on company

[ashen needle]

recruiter for my fall co op said ~85% of coops/interns get return offer- how do i make sure im not the ~15% lol

[simple jay]

dont be like me and nap midday all the time

and set expectations w your mentor

[ashen needle]

i see

[turbid river]

yeah if you're not a little bitch and you do the work that's assigned on time you'll get the return

[ashen needle]

thats what i figured

[hushed citrus]

yes ^

anyone get IMC one way video interview for 2022?

[narrow patrol]

are companies srsly recruiting for 2022.. wtf?

[charred roost]

Yep

[narrow patrol]

did i miss a meme or something?

[charred roost]

Nope

[narrow patrol]

tf

which companies

[charred roost]

They are seriously recruiting for 2022

[narrow patrol]

ik quant starts early but

like tech companies!?!

[charred roost]

I know Google started

[narrow patrol]

wut

is this the new normal

i thought recruiting starts in july

im still looking for 21 fall 😭

[charred roost]

Google is kinda weird

[nova knoll]

Google basically had a washed 2021 so probs getting ahead of curve with new hiring initiatives

[charred roost]

They're basically emailing candidates they like right now

[narrow patrol]

any actual openings

summer 22? just curious

not quant

i srsly dont even know if ill be applying for 22 new grad or intern yet 😭

kind of..im a second year but i might graduate this fall or next spring idk yet

[abstract wagon]

Lmaooo that was me last fall

[abstract wagon]

i realize the only reason i want to intern at amazon is so more companies respond but im consistently getting interviews without it on there i just have to wait forever to hear back
i need to work on passing interviews and gaining relevant experience>>>name brand

[neon ridge]

Do you guys know any good newsletter that send out internship opportunities every week?

[stray spoke]

Yeah prestige is only useful for resume screens

Anything you did that makes you stand out?

[night surge]

Yeah it’s just the screens

I just want to up my market value

Be a better engineer

[earnest kestrel]

Is it appropriate to reach out to a recruiter or employee on linkedin to check in on the status of your application is you havent heard back in over a month?

If yes

do yall just hit the linkedin DM's cant get a hold of half of their emails

[ashen needle]

prob not employee

[earnest kestrel]

makes sense what about recruiter?

also

[ashen needle]

yea no reaon not to reach out to recruiter

[earnest kestrel]

what if i contact 5 recuiters or more cause I dont wann ajust rely on 1 and get ghosted

[ashen needle]

i personally wouldnt contact more than 1 bc what happens if they all respond but

others may disagree

[earnest kestrel]

I see

is there a cooldown before you cut your losses and move on to a different recruiter

i just started connecting with a bunch of different recruiters on linkedin

Also is there a message template any one has I can send for that ?

[night surge]

Yeah I’m curious

How much is too much

[abstract wagon]

asking for referrals
finding security vulns or just writing securityrelated stuff on resume
not really something i did but target school is biggest thing prolly

[stray spoke]

Cool you’re aiming for cybersecurity roles?

[abstract wagon]

yes or i applied for swe and got interviewed for security

[sage hinge]

is security stuff usually like rlly low level?

[abstract wagon]

only the stuff i like
it can be high level like web app or cloud security

[sage hinge]

ah yeah

i feel like u rlly gotta go from machine code -> assembly -> c

which is why im ass at it lol

[dry ibex]

do you guys think its possible for a company to email the wrong person with an interview offer?

i dont understand how i got an interview offer less than 12 hours after submitting an OA

just a bit surprised

[charred roost]

Take the offer and run my dude

But its possible for an email error to happen, haven't heard of it happening with an offer before though

I got an OA last week and then an email following up saying that the OA was sent in error

[dry ibex]

Lolol yea that’s the plan

But the interview schedule was for this week too so I had to like ask for a new time Bc I’m moving in

[balmy blade]

the hell which company lol

[dry ibex]

Thanks for the info though

Amazon 😳

[balmy blade]

u took the amazon OA?

and got an offer

without interviewing???

[charred roost]

Damn you're cracked lmao

[balmy blade]

that highkey

doesn't sound rihgt

im p sure they have to interview u

[charred roost]

But yeah email them or something

[dry ibex]

I got an interview offer

[balmy blade]

even if u ace the oa

[dry ibex]

Sorry if that wasn’t clear

[balmy blade]

oh

yeah

[charred roost]

Ooooh

[balmy blade]

that's diff story

LOL

[charred roost]

Yeah an interview is expected lol

[balmy blade]

THIS GUY SAID HE GOT OFFER OFFER

🤦‍♂️

[charred roost]

If you passed the OAs

Interview is next step

and then

real offer

[balmy blade]

Someone help

Groupon v GoDaddy

💀

[dry ibex]

Yea lol I’m just very surprised as to how fast it is Bc I’ve know Amazon takes a while

[charred roost]

Amazon took 4 months to even give me an OA and they're just zooming with you lol

That's OP

Good luck on the interview!

[dry ibex]

Thanks man!

[balmy blade]

This tbh got rejected in 2 days after oa3

🤣

[charred roost]

Same lmfao

Though with OA 2 bc I'm monke

[balmy blade]

I legit choked the OA

like choked as in choked

[charred roost]

Yeah same

I just blanked when I saw the questions

[balmy blade]

lowkey the amazon name pressure got to me

same dude

it wasn't even like hards

it was like meds at best

[charred roost]

Yeah I got LC mediums too

[balmy blade]

we got this in 6 months we reapply 🚩

[dry ibex]

I got an easy and then a hard medium

[charred roost]

Also bruh, the recruiter for a company I interviewed at a few weeks ago just emailed me

[balmy blade]

amazon legit don't care about ur resume

they will send u an OA

no matter what

LOL

[charred roost]

As in emailed me at midnight lol

[balmy blade]

LOL^

[charred roost]

Saying they want to talk

[dry ibex]

Lmfao

[charred roost]

is that normal lmao

Giving me some anxiety just before I sleep

[dry ibex]

Damn if they are staying up that late to email you

Must be good!

[charred roost]

I hope it is! They emailed me earlier in the week saying they had good feedback and news

So I hope that's an offer

[balmy blade]

;O

did u interview already

or

is this after phone screen etc/apply

[charred roost]

Interview

Technical interview

This is for the vape pen company I mentioned earlier lol, Pax Labs

they're process was straightforward, I applied and then had a behavioral phone call and then my technical

[balmy blade]

Lollll

🐐

U aced technical i am assuming?

[charred roost]

Yeah they only asked super basic stuff lol

This is for an Android dev role

and they were like "please take this data and show it to the user as text"

Which is like 3 lines of code

[cyan valley]

O wow

[balmy blade]

Good stuff

[hybrid crag]

has anybody taken the OA for the solutions architect intern role at amazon? whats it like?

[earnest kestrel]

Wondering this too just applied like 2 weeks ago

[hybrid crag]

did you do the online assessment

[abstract wagon]

😠 i was excited about a role and thought i did so good in recruiter chat that they cancelled the coding section

turns out the role i wanted no longer existed

[serene terrace]

someone sent this in the chat before but thought it would be helpful to share. it's a list of recruiter emails.

[lethal ore]

It is a hit or miss

[ashen needle]

those mfs gonna get spammed next year lmao

[serene terrace]

some of them are not accurate btw

as in some of the ppl on there don't work at that company or don't have the same posiition

so make sure to search them up before emailing them

[earnest kestrel]

I didnt even get an OA Lmao

[ashen needle]

Me and my friends have been planning to make a massive list like this this summer

[ember stream]

I think it is 🤞

[serene terrace]

that would be p helpful, but would probalby spam recruiters lol

[ashen needle]

yea for the sake of decency im contemplating whether or not to publish said list when i make it

[abstract wagon]

cloudflare

[round sparrow]

what is apple CI tech team

[formal finch]

I got TSLA through it lol

[formal finch]

CI - continuous integration?

yeah lol

[round sparrow]

i just got phone from apple ci team through cold emailing too

dammit ci sounds dogshit

[turbid river]

did you just cold email a recruiter and got matched with the CI team through that?

[round sparrow]

yea i emailed like 10 and three of them sent my resume to university relations and i guess thats what i got matched with

i applied normally and was ghost for months

[turbid river]

hmm yeah I feel like it's a bit late in the process but I'll try this strat out

[round sparrow]

yea one of the recruiters straight up replied i think you are a little late lmoa

maybe all the good teams are filled already lol

[earnest kestrel]

@turbid river @formal finch how did yall get the emails the bestI got is im connected with a bunch of recruiters on linkedin and I dont have their emails or cant find theirs on their profile. Yall think In Mail message on Linkedin is the move?

[round sparrow]

i used huntr io

[formal finch]

Lmao same!

[worn breach]

I want apple 😭

I’ll exchange apple for Tesla

[velvet badge]

Do you guys have any cold email templates/advice for what’s worked for you when emailing hiring managers/recruiters?

[abstract wagon]

[abstract wagon]

just say hello and what you want

short and to the point

[velvet badge]

“Hello give me job”

Deadass all I want LOOL

[earnest kestrel]

yall just ask for referrals or just to get your application looked at/ an update

?

[abstract wagon]

Hello [recruiter],
I am interested in [insert role ] at [ insert company ]. Please forward my resume

🧐

[velvet badge]

👀

[earnest kestrel]

Yall contact employees too or nah?

[velvet badge]

Gonna spam recruiters for 2022 NG apps

Nah no employees from what I’ve heard

[earnest kestrel]

like SWE's and PMS

[velvet badge]

They can’t do anything

[earnest kestrel]

Gotcha

[velvet badge]

Hiring managers yes

[earnest kestrel]

makes sense

bet

Yall conact with them on linkedin first or just raw dog message them?

[abstract wagon]

neither

i only use email

unless they say you can dm them on their linkedin profile

[earnest kestrel]

i cant get emails lmao

those shits are hard to find

and hunter asking me to pay for some shit

hunter.io

so im guessing its rude to cold dm a recruiter on linkedin?

[charred roost]

Someone sent a list of emails here

You could try those

[silk ridge]

Hunter should be free but idk never used, salesQL is free too

[abstract wagon]

cloudflare recruiter said there would be no coding rounds🤞

cloudflare vs amazon propel?

the team looks really cool

[formal finch]

same

[narrow patrol]

imagine having tesla

[narrow patrol]

cloudflare bro

[cyan valley]

none of those emails work anymore

u do realize once the email gets saturated

ur gonna have 100 people in here all emailing the same person

= useless.

it's only useful if the email isn't exposed

[charred roost]

Ah rip

[charred roost]

That's true

[cyan valley]

I've sent email to everyone on the last 3 got back and they said to apply to the normal link

everyone has that list it's useless

[earnest kestrel]

can anyone confirm whether its easier to get internships/internship interviews as a junior? i sent 170 applications since beginning of march so far gotten a total of 4 OA's 36 rejections and the rest havent answered yet. Im a sophomore btw

[faint musk]

It is definitely easier if you're a junior

as a general statement, can defer case by case

[lunar dagger]

@earnest kestrel same boat lmao

I'm hoping so

All the juniors that I'm friends with at my school are doing fang internships while I'm getting nothing

So I'm hoping that it's a graduation date thing

[earnest kestrel]

same

[earnest kestrel]

deadass thought i was the only one

[lunar dagger]

Nah we're all struggling

[earnest kestrel]

also can anyone share how many they applied to before they got their first one?

[lunar dagger]

Ik vinodh was at like 300 or something

I'm at like 310ish probably

[earnest kestrel]

shiiiii

[lunar dagger]

My friend at Berkeley was at 155

[earnest kestrel]

i gotta spam my resume harder

at what number are yall gonna put a hard stop?

[lunar dagger]

But my friend at tufts was 4 and got microsoft lmao

[earnest kestrel]

for me its either i get an internship or apply to 500 companies

[lunar dagger]

Tbh I just apply

I'm gonna keep applying until I get something

[faint musk]

I mean I'm a junior and it still took like 140 apps before my first offer

[lunar dagger]

Not much of a choice tbh

[earnest kestrel]

target school type beat

[lunar dagger]

@faint musk do u go to a target

[lunar dagger]

Tbh I think he just got lucky lmao

Like that's just an insane amount of luck

[barren night]

I’m a junior and it also took me hundreds of apps but my resume is also shit

[faint musk]

Nah I don't go to a target

[lunar dagger]

Did you have sophomore internships?@faint musk @barren night

[faint musk]

yeah but it was unpaid lmao I got lazy and stopped applying too early

[lunar dagger]

I'm also struggling bc I feel like idek what I'm doing

Like all the roles o see are web dev

[abstract wagon]

Def 300

[barren night]

This is only my 2nd year so i didn’t really know about this stuff last year so I ended up doing research

[lunar dagger]

And idk the first thing about web dev

[abstract wagon]

Sophomore in semi target

[lunar dagger]

Do you guys know anything about web dev?

I thought all I had to know was how to do leetcode problems

[barren night]

no i know nothing useful

[abstract wagon]

I took intro to web dev

[lunar dagger]

But it feels like I need to know web dev, app dev, etc to even be considered for these internships

[barren night]

i just got good enough at lc

[abstract wagon]

I only used the knowledge in one interview

[silk ridge]

html react css

[lunar dagger]

I've gotten a number of OAs where I couldn't solve a problem bc it had something to do with http requests

And all the startups I've interviewed for asked me sql design or web design question

And I'm feeling kinda lost

[silk ridge]

if you do a full stack project where you use a database + api you should learn all of that, ur school probably has a class that covers it later on too

[pliant hawk]

going for internships made me drop learning stuff for projects and jus leetcode

[lunar dagger]

I made the mistake of fiending machine learning

But like it doesn't rlly help with anything

[earnest kestrel]

Same, just got to find a balance

[pliant hawk]

hard to find balance when idk wtf i wanna do in swe

[balmy blade]

dont even go for startups

just spam apps at semi known companies

its just straight lc/oop

[balmy blade]

this is straight factrs

[charred roost]

just go through the fortune 500 list lol

and apply one by one

[lunar dagger]

Startups are the only ones responding to me tho

[charred roost]

just start at 500 and move up

[lunar dagger]

Like I haven't gotten a single OA from any large company since wepay

[charred roost]

Damn

Are you a soph?

[lunar dagger]

Yeah

[charred roost]

Hmm whack

Yeah I've mainly been hearing back from smaller companies

[balmy blade]

this is the best idea

[charred roost]

When did you start applying?

[balmy blade]

I just worked smarter not harder

If ur a soph

[charred roost]

I know all the big companies were essentially done by mid-Jan lol

[lunar dagger]

I started in August

[balmy blade]

ur gonna get a lot lot more rejections

[charred roost]

Oh

Nvm then

Yeah its just hard to get anything as a soph

[balmy blade]

Most places want a jr

who may come back

[charred roost]

I think I've gone through like 300+ applications

[balmy blade]

I got nothing as a sophmore

[lunar dagger]

So far the only interview I got at any big company was intuit

[balmy blade]

I didn't apply though as a soph

[lunar dagger]

Yeah I'm hoping jr yr will be easier

[balmy blade]

It will be lol trust

[charred roost]

yeah you'll definitely hear back a lot more as a junior

[lunar dagger]

What makes me sad is I thought I went to a p good school

But apparently not lmao

[balmy blade]

school doesn't matter

unless its legit t5

even if its t5

[lunar dagger]

Yeah that's what I'm realizing

[balmy blade]

still barely matters

like @charred roost u go to a t5 right

[charred roost]

Yeah I go to UIUC

[balmy blade]

yeah

[lunar dagger]

Yeah my friend at Berkeley only got a single interview after 155 apps

[balmy blade]

And he's on app like 300

So like doesn't matter

[charred roost]

T5 helps for certain companies since they have recruiters that look for students from those schools

[balmy blade]

Yeah

[charred roost]

But yeah for most companies, makes no difference

[balmy blade]

Are u a jr or soph?

[charred roost]

I'm a soph

[balmy blade]

Solid

[crimson brook]

yeah my UCB friends did like 100+ and thought it was a lot meanwhile we're out here 700+

[pliant hawk]

You’ll be set for junior year

[balmy blade]

^Fr

[lunar dagger]

^^^

Yeah if u have an internship soph yr ur big chilling

Especially from uiuc

[balmy blade]

^^

Faang inbound next year

[charred roost]

Yeah my friends at UCB are struggling rn

[balmy blade]

dont forget me

[charred roost]

And they're all really smart ppl

[lunar dagger]

^^^

[charred roost]

Lmfao that would be nice

Just gotta start the grind early

[lunar dagger]

Hit us all up with those referrals when you make it big

[charred roost]

Lol for sure

[balmy blade]

UIUC + 1 past + jr + >3.5 gpa + LC

Ur gonna get faang

[charred roost]

Gotta pay back to the community

[pliant hawk]

For new grad in august I’m guessing there will be no in person interviews? Or would companies start doing that?

[night surge]

ur a soph, thats pog

i did something in my major soph year but i realized it wasnt it

lmao i also do fortune 500

but i start from the top

[obtuse spruce]

im a soph from a non target Canadian uni. i just perfected the resume + projects and just spammed ~180 applications all year around + cold emailing. I think i did very decent for a soph but still awaiting results.

[charred roost]

Hope you get something soon my dude

[obtuse spruce]

fr im prayin

[stray spoke]

Even a small startup internship?

[night surge]

yeah

it wouldve been so pog if i shifted everything back a year

but hindsight 20/20

[stray spoke]

I feel slightly better now

[night surge]

experience is experience

[stray spoke]

The 2020 hindsight

[lunar dagger]

What Canadian unis are targets

Besides waterloo

Or is that the only target Canadian uni

[charred roost]

Toronto and BC maybe?

And Alberta too ig

[obtuse spruce]

yessir

[obtuse spruce]

loo definitely and uoft

[stuck spruce]

anyone know if amazon is virtual or not this summer?

[manic saddle]

you get to choose between virtual or hybrid

[reef glen]

Finally getting amazon assessment

[lunar dagger]

Rip us mcgill homies

[earnest kestrel]

Am I fucked for FAANG/unicorn if I dont get an internship the summer going into junior year?

Im a sophomore non target btw

[lunar dagger]

Idts

[night surge]

no

i have friends who hit big

[lunar dagger]

It's harder, but it's more than possible from what I've seen

I have a friend at Facebook and another at audible rn

[earnest kestrel]

ok thats good to here

is any internship better than nothing even if its not SWE related for applying to FAANG/ UNicorn for 2022.

I'll take anything at this point

even marketing and data analyst

[lunar dagger]

Yeah that's what I've heard

Something like data analyst especially would be good

[abstract wagon]

Am i fucked if i dont have an internship, while applying to new grad? Tryna just get a unicorn/FAANG or something

[night surge]

data analyst uses SQL and some python

so thats cool

[earnest kestrel]

ok bet thank you

Did i just get an OA from Citadel?

[night surge]

yeah lol

nice

[earnest kestrel]

Lets gooooo

[night surge]

good luck

[earnest kestrel]

Preciate it 🙏🏾

[abstract wagon]

Did you just apply?

[earnest kestrel]

yessirrr

[cyan valley]

u know it's automated

and they are already full

[earnest kestrel]

damn

[cyan valley]

LOL

[earnest kestrel]

sighhh

[cyan valley]

dont bother

wastin time on it

[abstract wagon]

Yea i got it a while back and failed the phone

[earnest kestrel]

thought i was doing something

[night surge]

practice?

anyways?

[earnest kestrel]

true

Ill just take it still

who knows

[abstract wagon]

I think so is Jane street as well, i got the OA a few hours after i applied

[earnest kestrel]

jane street is still taking applicants?

[abstract wagon]

Yea they have a fall co-op

[earnest kestrel]

thought the quant firms closed early?

ahhhhh

i see

[night surge]

i thought theyre on 2022 lol

but OA is still OA

[abstract wagon]

They just opened fall not to long ago

[abstract tiger]

Can we still apply for summer intern

[stiff vessel]

they gave you an OA?

ya you can apply every year

[stiff vessel]

ive never seen a v2 OA huh

ah probably not

they're full for both summer and fall though

im going to citadel and know a lot of other people going

still a secondary source tho so dont take my word as fact

that was for my gf, it was data infra

[pulsar ridge]

mood rbc is 💀

imagine doing two interviews for them and then 👻

[upbeat fossil]

I had an offer for 29 for RBC

Super glad I didn't take it

[fallow shuttle]

I remember asking them for 25+ 1st internship and they ghosted me

ye they told me same thing

but then they asked what range I was looking for

and I could tell 25 was too high lol

[terse torrent]

rbc :/

they offered me 21 for first

ranked for 25 for second

screw that

:/

[charred roost]

damn

[terse torrent]

CAN U IMAGINE GETTING RANKED

[charred roost]

is that in CAD too?

[terse torrent]

BY RBC

yes

[charred roost]

bruh

[terse torrent]

canada has no monie in tech

[charred roost]

o

[abstract wagon]

?

[terse torrent]

best place for new grad is like amazon

[charred roost]

i'm just used to the high american figures ig

[terse torrent]

oh its waterlooworks thing

u get offer rank or no rank

rank basically waitlist

i worked for them b4 and got ranked 🙂

lol

[fallow shuttle]

ye they do that

[lunar dagger]

Wait is this for the rbc internship that closed their apps on the 14th or something?

[terse torrent]

its ok they rejected me for so many positions in first yr and just ghosted

[fallow shuttle]

interview was disaster anyway since it was for android

and I had no exp

they kept asking me super specific things lol

[lunar dagger]

Where do y'all go and what yrs are y'all?

[terse torrent]

💦 🚽

[lunar dagger]

Lmao

[upbeat fossil]

waterloo OP we get nothing on this side of canada

[charred roost]

rip

[fallow shuttle]

BC?

ye ubc has super nice campus

[pulsar ridge]

i got one for infrastructure engineering and i had no clue what to do in that interview

[charred roost]

yea ubc's campus is beautiful lol

well their vancouver one is

haven't seen the okanagan one

lmfao

the interview i had yesterday was like that too

Dude just asked me what polymorphism is

[upbeat fossil]

rbc is still interviewing though?? i got my summer offer last november

[charred roost]

And what it means for a langauge to be compiled

isntead of interpreted

[fallow shuttle]

tbh I dont even remember

like if I got asked in an interview

I'd blank

[charred roost]

yep lmfao

all super basic oop questions

[pulsar ridge]

oh im sure theyre still hiring, i don't think any of us are interviewing for rbc rn tho

[charred roost]

none of which had anything to do with the role

[pulsar ridge]

looooool

[lunar dagger]

Bruh I thought rbc would be nice

Bc they're a massive bank

Why's the pay so shit

Lmao

[charred roost]

rip

[lunar dagger]

Ripppp

[pulsar ridge]

wdym this is the best part 🤩 you get to learn about yourself

[charred roost]

damn

[pulsar ridge]

OOP

[charred roost]

OOP

[pulsar ridge]

unity in canada pays more when u include stipend 👀

[upbeat fossil]

i mean there's also amazon, microsoft, and splunk

[lunar dagger]

It's kinda sus lmao

I was looking at like

Morgan stanley mtl

They pay like 80k cad lmao

For full time

[fallow shuttle]

nah u can get more than 35

[pulsar ridge]

heard it was 31CAD with 5k stipend

[fallow shuttle]

msft is usually higher to be fair

a bunch of different startups

friend making 40+ in waterloo startup lol

[charred roost]

damn

[fallow shuttle]

also some finance places and the usual big names

[lunar dagger]

Honestly I'd take low pay if I could get an internship at this point

I decided to go to school in Canada bc I thought it would be easier to get an internship but so far doesn't look like that's the case

I applied to ivies and my state school plus a few Canadian schools

Rip

[pulsar ridge]

oh thats a gg

[charred roost]

rip gg

Almost did the same lol

[lunar dagger]

Yeah I'm american

[charred roost]

With UWaterloo and UBC

[pulsar ridge]

yikes

[fallow shuttle]

should've just stayed in US lol

[charred roost]

Decided last minute to pic uiuc over Waterloo and BC

[lunar dagger]

I'm still waiting for berkeley to let me off the wait-list 2 yrs later :(

[fallow shuttle]

uiuc is good though

[charred roost]

ye

[lunar dagger]

Yeah uiuc is mad nice

Mcgill lmao

[charred roost]

I had the choice between UIUC, Waterloo and BC, was lucky to be in that position lol

[lunar dagger]

^^^

[charred roost]

Damn you went straight for Montreal

Rip

[lunar dagger]

I mean it's a fun school

But doesn't help with internships

[charred roost]

Yeah I'm just shitting on Quebec, McGill is still pretty good

[soft hound]

citadel 😩

no

🐻‍❄️

[lunar dagger]

I had an aunt who went to Mcgill so she hyped it up for me

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