#quants-n-traders

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chrome zinc
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hm ok smth to think about

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i have some offers rn so just trying to make a decision

dire finch
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rest in pisces aquatic

chrome zinc
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what happened to aquatic

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i rmr they were hyped some years ago

limpid pulsar
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4317 book

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Desco overrated Cit wipes

dire finch
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lemme let you guys in on a little secret... that guy is The Founder of the Citadel the Kevin Griffin

limpid pulsar
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whats the improvement of that over abbott?

dire finch
ornate urchin
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in terms of earnings

limpid pulsar
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ig thats why we have like 5 analysis classes

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mostly grad tho

craggy monolith
chrome zinc
dire finch
cerulean notch
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state school moment šŸ˜”

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except idt grad analysis is all that hard to get into at umich, most math classes that fill up have high drop rates

lament pivot
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I've recently gotten into competitive programming, and I enjoy it more than software engineering, mostly because it is more difficult for me, and I like the problem-solving. I'm interested in quant/hft because I think I might get to work on solving more interesting problems, and I think that quant/hft firms recruit competitive programmers. I'm not sure about the role, but I think I might be a good fit for a QD role.

I'm doing my undergrad in CS at Colorado School of Mines. I finished 3 semesters, and I have two left (graduating Dec 2026), because of transfer credits, and I'm doing C1's TIP next summer. Is it realistic/worth pursuing quant at this point? I think I would enjoy it, and find the work more interesting, but I'm not sure if I have a chance at this point. I'll apply for new grad roles for 2027, but my only other idea is doing a master's at another university that has a better reputation, which might give me more time to find a quant internship before I graduate, and improve my skills (self-study, etc).

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fwiw I'm around 1400 on codeforces after ~1 month, which I think is fine, but probably not where I need to be

dire finch
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reasonably no but a lot of things aren't reasonable

lament pivot
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Yeah, you are right. Thank you very much, I'll think about it. I'll definitely keep practicing cf, if only because I enjoy it and it is challenging, but I think you are right that it's all about the opportunity cost.

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Yeah, this is true too. I think it will delay my graduation, I guess it's a question of how long. I wouldn't mind going to a different school though, CS at Mines is not great imho, the best part is that I have plenty of free time to spend on personal projects, but the classes themselves are not great.

lyric orchid
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So if I have UIUC and c1 I got it

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šŸ™

lament pivot
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Yeah, that makes sense, thank you. I think it might not make sense to transfer for undergrad though, since I already have ~96 credits, and I wouldn't be able to transfer until Fall. At best, I could graduate in Spring 2027, but I think that's unlikely, since a t10 school wouldn't take all of my credits, and many require 2 years of attendance. A master's might take a similar amount of time.

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Yeah, I agree. I will apply for new grad roles, but I also want to see what I can do to give myself the best chances.

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Oh interesting, I hadn't considered that.

untold prawn
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yea i think this is true, but it may also be easier to get into smth like columbia ms

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it's like a cash cow program so idt it's super hard to get in like ugrad

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pretty sure yea

midnight scroll
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That's the whole point of Ms programs

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Cash cows for international students

untold prawn
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yea it's like 110k/year or smth

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fully online too if u want

twilit drum
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what about omscs

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shows up as normal mscs

untold prawn
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but it's rlly cheap

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maybe if ur company can sponsor it

twilit drum
cursive stratus
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quant

rare basin
worn tulip
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For citsec do they expect you to have deep c++ knowledge? I know for citadel they didnā€™t care about language

dire finch
worn tulip
dire finch
worn tulip
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Also I assume citsec > citadel for swe?

worn tulip
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for teams that did require C++ knowledge how deep did they go? I assume for NG/early career they can't expect that much?

azure zenith
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I think there will be a lot of variation though

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I did two citsec processes side by side and they were strangely completely different in approach

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as for the cpp trivia stuff one of them asked various metaprogramming stuff etc

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standard library trivia

dire finch
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hOW dOEs A tEmPlAtE WorK

azure zenith
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haha they went deeper than that

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But maybe the guy was bored tbh

dire finch
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mm compile time fuckery

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every time cpp gets new 'features' i take a big swig of kerosene and get on with it

azure zenith
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youā€™ll be lucky if you get to use those features at any firm lol

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some firms are on some very old cpp

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also very old Linux distros etc

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am I what

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oh no

dire finch
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oooOoooo confidentiality

azure zenith
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ye secrecy and definitely not jut getting weary of DM lol

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you can expect no less for ā€œquants-n-tradersā€

dire finch
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i'll have u know im autism AND adhd

azure zenith
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I used to be active here then got a job, stopped being active, but now resigned so I got bored and started going on my phone here again

dire finch
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resigned ?

azure zenith
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and was reminded at the stark difference between this place and the real life industry lmaoo

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nah

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not garden leave

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didnā€™t sign a NC

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šŸ˜Ž

dire finch
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or just pushed start date to new year? lul

azure zenith
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yep

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I wanted like a 3 month gap

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was pretty nice though i think if i had 1 yr garden leave I would get very depressed

dire finch
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seems legit

azure zenith
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d1 Austin?

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or which office?

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d1 Austin is cool af tbh

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But I think youā€™ll likely be making 2x at cit and not the hugest of culture difference so doubt itā€™s a mistake

dire finch
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v nice

mint aurora
cerulean notch
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Supposed they don't use new c++ there

mint aurora
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Comp wise

dire finch
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only if my task is aligned with adhd reptile brain

azure zenith
mint aurora
azure zenith
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Cit is definitely paying more

dire finch
mint aurora
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Ik official numbers for d1 but not citsec

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Donā€™t know shit about cit sec

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Hi

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Wow nice

cerulean notch
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For swe

mint aurora
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I been okay

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Huh

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the number he said?

cerulean notch
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Ignoring how the bonus vests or whatever

mint aurora
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or standard citsec number

cerulean notch
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And including sign on

cerulean notch
mint aurora
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Citsec vests better iā€™m assuming

azure zenith
dire finch
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numbers numbers...

mint aurora
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Before negotiating at least

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This yr

azure zenith
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bonus is usually just gonna be an end of year payout, no?

dire finch
azure zenith
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enlighten me

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lol

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that does not sound good

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So the numbers youā€™re saying are over the 2 years or per annum?

mint aurora
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I forgot ngl iā€™m p sure it vests tho but majority is at 2y mark

mint aurora
azure zenith
mint aurora
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But it still scales good so wtv

azure zenith
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if you make it to year 2

mint aurora
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Most swe does i think

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except for like when they did layoff lol

azure zenith
mint aurora
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Were ur friends core dev

untold prawn
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^^

mint aurora
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Huh nice

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I think they nego rlly high maybe thatā€™s why?

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surely they arenā€™t giving diff ppl diff comp xd

dire finch
azure zenith
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Imagine u intern with a guy and you both start but he gets paid 100k more

mint aurora
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Cit lowballed this one QR to get. paid less than swe this yr xd

cerulean notch
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both ro if that makes a diff

azure zenith
mint aurora
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nah he was on a very good team

dire finch
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wtf..

untold prawn
dire finch
mint aurora
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Nah he is just dedicated to boosting pnl

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doesnā€™t want to reduce pnl by increasing his comp

azure zenith
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a true Good Samaritan

mint aurora
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Yup

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He knows the value of providing liquidity to the markets

azure zenith
craggy monolith
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@dire finch can you get me a pair of the cit forces?

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US male size 11

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or 12

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or 11.5

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whatevers available really

azure zenith
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in my final round for the thing to take the merch I was so defeated because I thought I failed that I only took a pen

craggy monolith
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why?

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thats normal size

azure zenith
dire finch
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im a 9.5

mint aurora
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?? bro thatā€™s like just above avg

dire finch
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i report accurately

mint aurora
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11 is avg

craggy monolith
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11

dire finch
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ok we are all ASIAN here are you ASIAN

craggy monolith
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@dire finch get me an 11

mint aurora
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Diff strokes

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tho

dire finch
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wtf...

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im the gaped

azure zenith
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you know u can buy these company merch for some hilariously high price on eBay

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itā€™s honestly jarring to see the listings

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who is buying that

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it pains me

untold prawn
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also larpers might buy it idk

dire finch
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thas funny as fuck

cerulean notch
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paying for merch of a company you don't work for šŸ„€

dire finch
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@craggy monolith sorry im keeping my cit forces

cerulean notch
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gotta be negative aura

twin osprey
azure zenith
mint aurora
craggy monolith
azure zenith
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I just canā€™t believe someone would buy these

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mint aurora
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Cit has the best merch

craggy monolith
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fml

azure zenith
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rare hedge fund swag

craggy monolith
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cit mfs are so greedy

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wont even get me merch

cerulean notch
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js gives those out like candy too šŸ„€

craggy monolith
mint aurora
craggy monolith
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thoughts?

dire finch
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oh my aura

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holy fuck

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i need this

craggy monolith
azure zenith
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Worn too

craggy monolith
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netanyahu just dropped

untold prawn
craggy monolith
untold prawn
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highkey so clean

craggy monolith
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its so aura

untold prawn
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it's -aura if u dont work there tho

mint aurora
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optiver crocs gap

craggy monolith
craggy monolith
mint aurora
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Yes

untold prawn
dire finch
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me when im wearing my croptivers...

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oh my orz

craggy monolith
mint aurora
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they arenā€™t mine i never work in quant

craggy monolith
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shows that im at that cit level

mint aurora
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šŸ˜”

craggy monolith
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im just working somewhere else

untold prawn
craggy monolith
mint aurora
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Have js merch from failing the final šŸ’”

untold prawn
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šŸ„€

craggy monolith
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should get you a proc

mint aurora
craggy monolith
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like

mint aurora
craggy monolith
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im not wearing that shit šŸ˜­

craggy monolith
mint aurora
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@craggy monolith i have a rlly nice hoodie from failing ur company final tho

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šŸ˜­

craggy monolith
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rip

untold prawn
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cj is acc the goat larper bro larped quant and then made more money from getcracked than he ever did at his actual job

craggy monolith
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they fell off

mint aurora
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Wdym

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How is that larp

untold prawn
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yea but like a very mediocre one

mint aurora
craggy monolith
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he should do asmr

mint aurora
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actual goat of monetization

untold prawn
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ong

craggy monolith
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imagine him whispering cpp trivia

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tingly

untold prawn
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all those shorts paid off

mint aurora
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šŸ˜­

untold prawn
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his total is 60k/mo

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ngl most ppl forget to cancel subscriptions in general

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they're all on auto-pay by default

worn tulip
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What is citsec pay progression

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Is it much better than big tech at 5 yoe

dire finch
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yeah unless ur company stock explodes

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citsec is strictly better

untold prawn
primal shell
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Jesus

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All of this from a valkyrie swe?

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Insanity

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Lmaoo

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To be fair this is like

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He grifted 1000 people a month

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Actually the GOAT

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That's like .5% of cs majors

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1 in 200 cs majors pays for get cracked !

stone drum
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CJ aura

primal shell
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Its sad to see such a blatant grifter and dishonest charlatan scam so many people

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Extremely cold take, but if you are going to trade off of the name of being a "quant swe at a trading firm" to charge 250/hr for resume reviews (this was his pricing like 2 yrs ago) while tactically never actually saying where you work because its a dogshit trading firm, then you are dishonest.

cold heart
untold prawn
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valkyrie

cold heart
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clapped

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and chopped

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damn i was in the same building as him and never knew

mint aurora
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he also sells his advice saying itā€™ll help u break into faang etc not trading

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which is even more dishonest tbh LOL but itā€™s interesting

worn tulip
dire finch
stone drum
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Whatā€™s max cap for cit/citsec generally

untold prawn
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theres not really a max it just depends on ur pnl contribution

dire finch
worn tulip
dire finch
primal shell
chrome zinc
limpid pulsar
limpid pulsar
dire finch
worn tulip
chrome zinc
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Swe or trader?

hot mica
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Its less.

hot mica
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Who tf said valkyrie is the only trading firm in the industry?

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Unemployed bum!

worn tulip
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Idk if swe type matters

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I passed nxt by using only python a few months ago

chrome zinc
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ifl 700k 2-3 years for swe at citadel is kinda high / def not average case

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maybe a few people hitting that

worn tulip
chrome zinc
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wym

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well maybe I guess but I also know people at citsec with similar YOE making low 500s

worn tulip
chrome zinc
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yes lol

worn tulip
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Cuz at meta E4 I think Iā€™d make 400k

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If you factor taxes and col itā€™s a little better

chrome zinc
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col isnt much less in ca

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and 400k is a stretch at meta

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imo

worn tulip
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Iā€™m Bellevue living at home šŸ’€

chrome zinc
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you making 400k?

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at meta?

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damn i had no idea

worn tulip
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Because when you join as E4 itā€™s like 300k+ 35k sign on

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Then you get refreshers

chrome zinc
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how does that work out to 400

worn tulip
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Ok ig im also including stock appreciation

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Refreshers are 80k/4 yrs

chrome zinc
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i mean i can also just buy some meta stock

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if im bullish on meta

worn tulip
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Ye I guess more fair to say 350k/yr

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After two years at E4

chrome zinc
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but im talking like low 500s as 525-550 as an average case

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idk

worn tulip
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At Meta thereā€™s tons of bots ngl

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So not that hard to perform well

chrome zinc
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if youre a bot at citadel you get fired lol

worn tulip
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lol

chrome zinc
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or id be shocked if not

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like surely people there are smart and hardworking

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i guess im saying tho that like 500-700 is probably a fair range for 3 yoe

worn tulip
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Makes sense

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Just trying to figure out if itā€™s worth preparing + switching

chrome zinc
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i mean

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you probably would switch for free

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like if cost of prep =0

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cost of prep + cost of interviewing = 0*

worn tulip
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Ye

chrome zinc
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probably need to start prepping a bit to actually figure out the cost

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like figure out how much you know / dont know

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swe jobs in quant (at least at this experience level) usually have more bespoke interview processes than tech

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having some trading familarity is helpful

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and like c++ or python depending on the role

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unless youre just applying js or smth

worn tulip
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I did pass the technical rounds for NXT a few months ago but those were not low latency type and pretty general

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But I doubt that one pays as much

chrome zinc
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nxt can pay quite a bit

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its more like a talent pipleine for the hedge fund

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where they actually embed you in citadel will probably more so dictate your pay

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if i had to guess

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did you get an offer

worn tulip
worn tulip
chrome zinc
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didnt wanna just see citadel thru and renege meta?

chrome zinc
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but also depends

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well idk i could also see some roles in nxt being not graet

worn tulip
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So I joined Meta which isnā€™t a bad option imo and i can gain experience and leave later if a good quant opportunity appears

chrome zinc
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thats fair

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coulda also done the flip tho

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which is join citadel for a year or two

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then go to meta or similar + get paid non compete

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join some other quant role after non compete since you now have meta + citadel on resume

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but all good if you got an offer once youll get one again

worn tulip
chrome zinc
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wyd at meta

worn tulip
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C++ but itā€™s all high level stuff

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Just need to know how to use basic data structures

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The staff engineers on my team donā€™t even know C++ beyond the basics

chrome zinc
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lol

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i mean fair

worn tulip
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Yeah idk any of that šŸ’€

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Does the team you work on require rly performant code

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Trading lowkey sounds way more interesting than the stuff we do at Meta

chrome zinc
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ya i mean

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thats why people wanna work on it lol

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like i rmr someone told me a long time ago

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"if you want to work on interesting technology, you should work in tech, not finance"

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but its like

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is that actually true

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maybe true if youre high up

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idk tho can also be boring tho

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like trading stuff

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can get old, just like anything else

worn tulip
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It could be true if you are working on some of the newer stuff with AI and you like it but most teams arenā€™t doing anything too important

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Just make up bs metrics/impact to create a narrative

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With AI adoption here thereā€™s no coding skill required either

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So itā€™s all about selling your work

chrome zinc
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ya that sounds stressful

hot mica
worn tulip
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Also I didnā€™t know about the fund, is there a limit to how much u can put in?

hot mica
azure zenith
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to include possible stock appreciation in your salary
None of that is remotely guaranteed or real

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lol

worn tulip
azure zenith
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Wdym?

worn tulip
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number of stocks you get is fixed once you join

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Price moved up after I joined so my TC went up

azure zenith
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i see

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but youā€™re locked in terms of how much or when you can sell?

worn tulip
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How much

azure zenith
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or if you wanted could you sell any of it right now and cash out?

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I assume not

worn tulip
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You canā€™t sell until your stock vests

azure zenith
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yeah

worn tulip
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Itā€™s every quarter here

azure zenith
worn tulip
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No idea lol

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I mean prob not I think itā€™s not a thing anymore

hot mica
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Bro doesnt understand the point of a hedge fund šŸ¤£

modern pecan
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aint no one wanna put their TC into AQR, CIT, WALLEYE, etc

hot mica
stone drum
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This why you put your savings into a competitor firm instead

hot mica
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These firms have sharpes > 2 for a long long time. Yeah there might be down years but the intended vol is very low so its just not likely to be a catastrophic drawdown. I know its not a swe friendly concept especially with AI twit talking about how llms are beating hfs šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

cerulean notch
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Bros gotta be a troll

primal shell
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respect the swes

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:clueless:

hot mica
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Where else would you put your net worth? Obviously i have it in other investment streams including real estate and market beta lmao. But you dont seem to grasp how top multistrats operate if you think im talking about hedge funds in general rather than just the top few.

If you are comfortable with having a large % of your net worth in the s&p500 with its 0.6 sharpe (many people are, and most are implicitly doing this due to pension funds doing it), then you cannot seriously be talking about catastrophic events lol.

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Sorry about that. Most people here are swes

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Didnt mean to offend you like that

cerulean notch
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Probably the cranks I see on Linkedin sometimes, there are a surprising amt of insane ppl

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Who think they've made some world changing discovery

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It's just a britishism right

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Means fool

hot mica
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I did say most of it, not all. I think its just statistically justifiable to have a sizeable allocation to it

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Nah

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I meant ai community on X

cerulean notch
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Seems to be both

untold prawn
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WE are putting our entire net worths into camel milk

hot mica
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Dm me

modern pecan
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@hot mica Are there internal 2x levered funds?

hot mica
modern pecan
craggy monolith
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Fetterman hoodie sold out again December 26

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Website crashed 14 minutes

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Factory in Vietnam runs 24 hours now for restock jan 6

dire finch
hot mica
primal shell
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ew wtf

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why are those returns so high...

craggy monolith
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tqd mods farming alpha

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feesh create server same month his firm launch new pod

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coincedence probably

modern pecan
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Wha exactly r the tax optimizations?

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Ngl all the ftā€™s and leadership were complaining abt forced witholdijgs

dire finch
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how dare the irs get risk free rate on my earnings...

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grr

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water based firm?

tight mural
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Spy returned higher than most of these šŸ’€

craggy monolith
primal shell
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But muh uncorrelated returns

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We don't need uncorrelated returns if we have leveraged beta

dreamy temple
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we don't need uncorrelated returns if we have one bajillion dollars

untold prawn
grizzled sapphire
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Gem gif

blazing urchin
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Is bei da a target school

turbid geyser
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Hey anyone quant ai engineer here
Have a really golden opportunity
Dm me with your resume

cerulean notch
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<@&868936794601828492>s

worthy blade
grizzled sapphire
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is it possible to negotiate intern salaries if you have multiple offers lol

dire finch
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yes absolutely

pulsar scarab
pulsar scarab
marsh socket
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Does anyone have tips on how to pass the citadel swe intern interviews? Iā€™ve heard of a lot of people finishing the question and communicating well but still not getting through. Iā€™m wondering what usually sets the pass vs fails apart?

stone drum
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Sometimes questions can have multiple parts or follow-ups that you were expected to solve

dire finch
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sometimes you could just be chopped and leave a bad impression

craggy monolith
blissful pewter
opal bramble
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what do we think about my timeseries database api?

# 
    let series = db.timeseries("trades")
        .symbol(Symbol::intern("AAPL"))
        .fields(&["price", "volume"])
        .bucket(Duration::from_secs(60))
        .range(TimeRange::last(Duration::from_hours(24)))
        .resample(agg! {
            open:   first(price),
            high:   max(price),
            low:    min(price),
            close:  last(price),
            volume: sum(volume)
        })
        .execute()
        .expect("timeseries query");
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=> last 24 of ohlcv (as an iteratable)

craggy monolith
craggy monolith
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compound interest 1% better 365 days 365x better

blazing bay
pulsar scarab
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<@&868936794601828492> @shrewd walrus

craggy monolith
vestal panther
fickle latch
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This is a good meme

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I think.ill.download to share with friends and family

cursive stratus
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does js tdoe interview give brain teasers

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or only coding like SWE

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hi everyone i would appreciate help on that question

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thank you

grizzled sapphire
grim mountain
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does anybody understand this months jane street puzzle...

opal bramble
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what a strange datastructure for the modern age

jovial abyss
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does JS call to reject

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i had onsite yday but they emailed me w no context asking for a call

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what does this mean bro

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pls i need the offer

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yes

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swe

cold heart
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CTC helps you recruit for other quant firms. If you donā€™t like quant do Netflix

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Like you will get interviews at js, cit, opt, imc, etc

wind notch
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netflix > ctc? u sure?

cold heart
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CTC > Netflix

wind notch
wind notch
strange trench
frozen bolt
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does anyone know how sig tech discovery day interview works? they mentioned prob and ev stuff but is dsa or lc also on there?

stone topaz
#

!process sig technology discovery program phone pls dm if youve done proc before or have it now

craggy monolith
hazy cargo
#

Any info on it?

#

A non technical interviewer asking the questions? Do they just have the answer noted down to check

stone topaz
#

doubt interviewer is non-technical

hazy cargo
#

I looked up mine

#

Sheā€™s a comms major

stone topaz
#

idrk this is the only quant thing i applied to besides jsip

stone topaz
hazy cargo
#

Maybe theyā€™ll tap in a trader

#

To ask the problems

#

Idk

#

But my guess is, if not, they just have the answer written down and theyā€™re checking to see if we get it right idk

mint aurora
#

but they were pretty easy lol

hazy cargo
#

like if i explain my thought proccess or whatever will they have any clue

hazy cargo
lusty sphinx
#

wait guys btw how much did u get for ur oa for sig phone :( does 572 stand a chance

hazy cargo
#

572 prolly high enogh tho

lusty sphinx
#

still no info so was wondering šŸ„€ prolly not high enough

mint aurora
mint aurora
#

like hs math

hazy cargo
#

damn tf

covert urchin
strange trench
covert urchin
#

he got so excited and then they basically explained to him why they rejected him

wind notch
#

tbh would rather have that over an email

#

at least you get feedback

marsh moss
#

yo whats that one big quant disc server called

strange trench
#

they kinda just go yeah another candidate was a better fit

strange trench
#

not tons of math more like do u know what ur doing

wind notch
#

ok that's pretty dumb then

daring cypress
#

anyone did r1 of Citadel swe?

green drum
#

yo guys i have a question. Current sophomore looking to recruit quant next year. I've had a lot of upperclassmen telling me to study lots of probability and practice the green book, but I also saw some ppl on this discord saying to study smthing called stochastic calc? Was just wondering how important that is for trading especially and if its something that is necessary to learn

umbral spade
#

idts right

cursive cape
#

Any Hardware quant ppl in here?

strange trench
sharp nest
#

Given I am a sophomore rn is a quant internship still realistic in the future. I only have software experience and currently intern at a startup

mint aurora
mint aurora
mint aurora
pearl ravine
#

join TQD server

opal bramble
#

if you werenā€™t implanted std::pmr (polymorphic allocator) in the womb, donā€™t even apply for quant dev

sharp nest
mint aurora
#

Do u want qt
/qr? or dev

cursive cape
#

Non target state school can I make it ?

opal bramble
#

if your insanely cracked & do something very impressive

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anything is possible...

craggy monolith
azure zenith
#

but you will likely be ghosted a lot outside of that

#

why not try anyway though

fiery valve
cursive cape
cursive cape
foggy juniper
untold prawn
near knot
craggy monolith
shadow bough
#

Yes

strange trench
#

U can add whenever but Iā€™ve never really heard anyone getting a reach out for an incoming internship, everyone I know who got reach outs were IMO or did some incredible research

azure zenith
#

having internship on my LinkedIn(or CV? but I only applied once years ago, before doing the internship) got me a dinner with radix founder

#

the ā€œincomingā€ doesnā€™t really matter as itā€™s just setting your current workplace as that firm

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why wait?

#

if youā€™re gonna be the guy to put up incoming then commit to it yknow

strange trench
#

Wait I thought recruiting dinners arenā€™t too hard to get at my school they sent out a form and if u signed up u were invited

strange trench
strange trench
azure zenith
#

if you put incoming at anytime youā€™re that guy

azure zenith
azure zenith
wind notch
#

that's legendary

azure zenith
#

neither bro

#

Email out of nowhere

#

nothing to do with school

#

invite to Ams or london restaurant and I picked london

azure zenith
#

I was in london at the time already

azure zenith
#

and I ate some super thin fish thing

#

tasted good

#

failed 2nd round interview

#

we move

wind notch
#

that's some aura

#

why do you think they reached out?

azure zenith
#

no clue lol

#

had hft internship

#

thatā€™s it

grizzled sapphire
#

Radix founder invited you out personally cuz you had a singular hft internship?

craggy monolith
azure zenith
#

lol

#

it was a round table

#

10-15 people total

#

recruiter was the one who reached out

azure zenith
#

can easily prove though

#

but not going to in a thousand person channel

azure zenith
grizzled sapphire
azure zenith
#

none of those

#

No nepo connections

#

can prove in dm

grizzled sapphire
#

Or like maybe this was the reward for some competition, ig, but you said it was recruiter reach out

azure zenith
#

it really really isnā€™t such a pedestal thing youā€™re making it out to be

#

Bro it was none of those lol

grizzled sapphire
grizzled sapphire
azure zenith
#

and NO ONE talked except me, the recruiter, the founder, and another person on the table who I made friends with after

#

lowkey awkward

grizzled sapphire
azure zenith
#

I had fun at least

#

Asked the founder random stuff

#

But yeah first billionaire I met in person

#

Second one I met was also only wearing socks hilariously

craggy monolith
#

who is that

mellow aurora
#

Did you make this

blazing bay
#

Whatā€™s the fabled T200 prep, Andrew?

tranquil wagon
mint aurora
#

whenever ur sure u wonā€™t renege it šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

untold prawn
#

assuming ur soph or fresh yea

fickle ingot
#

anyone have advice for citsec SWE intern superday šŸ™

craggy monolith
#

Iā€™m not tapped in

blazing bay
#

How to quant gigaChad

craggy monolith
#

lowkirksixsevenuinely

#

its time to tap in

blazing bay
vapid cove
#

does citadel ask os and c++ questions

low vault
azure zenith
#

various other ICPC/high achieving people that work there

azure zenith
craggy monolith
vapid cove
wind notch
#

not for me

craggy monolith
daring cypress
#

hey have people been hearing back from two sigma product & cap strat internship yet? ik they just opened up i can't find much about it online.

vapid cove
#

They did that for me too

#

Thatā€™s just do you know hashmaps in c++ tho

#

Whatā€™d they ask abt kernel / user?

opal bramble
craggy monolith
rare basin
#

curios

craggy monolith
blazing bay
#

What does C++ implementation mean?

#

Like designing something?

white haven
#

Anyone familiar with what SIG swe tc is? New grad or 1-2 yoe?

tranquil wagon
tranquil wagon
white haven
tranquil wagon
candid comet
#

hello

#

i need advices

dire finch
#

agree

median ruin
#

anyone know abt citadel eqr swe intern process?

hardy marsh
tranquil wagon
hardy marsh
blazing bay
primal shell
tranquil wagon
charred spear
blazing bay
#

Whereā€™d you go?

#

Locked in?

charred spear
#

vro yes

#

full time lockin

#

im doing hella leet code

blazing bay
#

Youā€™re unc now šŸ„²

#

Have you gotten any good process or offers?

charred spear
#

yah i have offer which ill not dox but still looking for better yk

#

i think i sold a lot this year cause i didn't focus on leetcode so this week i'm gonna do a lot

#

wbu ur still going for intern right

blazing bay
blazing bay
charred spear
#

im hoping there's still some good shi coming out for spring recruiting

#

need aura

blazing bay
#

Is your offer atleast big tech?

#

Because new grad offer is awesome, youā€™re not fully cooked.

#

You wonā€™t be unemployed šŸ™

charred spear
#

yes yes

#

WE are employed

#

billions must try

blazing bay
low vault
uncut nexus
#

Dk what firms do offseason like Fall

#

?

craggy monolith
grizzled sapphire
#

Do the quant firms that come to the big ML conferences recruit interns? Do you guys think it'd be possible to get someone to interview you early for intern roles by getting to know them there?

river badge
#

is it +ev to let citadel recruiter know about other interview processes? post r1

bleak needle
#

i dont think its +ev really

river badge
#

hmm idk.. im thinking e.g. they might want someone more if they're also interviewing with their competitors

daring cypress
#

they just ask to keep it on their radar

#

they asked me too i dont think she replied any differently than she was before she found out

mint aurora
#

Is it worse than Js lol

silent umbra
#

did anyone do phone interview for SIG trading discovery day yet

torpid heart
#

Yes here! Have some questions.

#

Does anyone here have done interview with hrt onsite and arrowstreet.

clear gorge
silent umbra
#

me too šŸ™‚

dawn turret
#

anyone got interview for both sig trading discovery day and technology discovery day?

torpid heart
silent umbra
torpid heart
#

yes

tacit cradle
#

Hello people. Do u guys think green book is enough prep for an interview? Imma have my first one lowkey nervous

frozen parcel
#

Where can I find out more about what Quantitative Research Engineers at Citadel do? I got a recruiter outreach for the role. Looking to read:

  • blogs
  • interviews
  • reddit
  • threads here
dire finch
#

qualitative

umbral spade
frozen parcel
#

LOL autocorrect

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frozen parcel
craggy monolith
#

ā€œAoccrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the Itteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt ting is taht the frist and Isat Itteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toat mses and you can sitil raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.ā€

kind tundra
#

Anyone has give JS SWE interview?

grizzled sapphire
fading plume
#

Do headhunters let you skip rounds for interviews first time Iā€™ve felt with one have no idea what changes

stone drum
#

No

#

At least not the main technical rounds

feral topaz
#

Anyone at citsec I can chat with?

blazing bay
tranquil wagon
#

Iā€™d take citsec

#

Cit is bad vibes, citsec less bad

dusky oyster
#

Passed all test cases on technical but didnā€™t have time for much follow ups or optimization. Odds I move forward?

worn quartz
#

only advantage is they can get you a feedback if you fail

dire finch
#

commods is no go

dire finch
#

idk about the other teams

craggy monolith
#

long long šŸ˜­

dire finch
#

int64

craggy monolith
#

oh low latency sorry im retrarded

tranquil wagon
dire finch
floral salmon
#

for you

clever cloak
naive kettle
#

what databricks team are good for quant recruiting

near falcon
#

There is role for Quant trainers for AI company. If anyone here, who is like 100x smarter than me, wants to take the interview link and get paid. https://jobs.micro1.ai/post/4dd05238-5c9d-48b6-8a80-f0122d72837e?referralCode=c21eac3e-fb85-43ec-adee-8637d54b11e5&utm_source=referral&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=job_referral

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craggy monolith
modern pecan
#

single digit RO rates

shadow bough
low vault
signal storm
#

dude I got clipped by this in icpc MLE

#

how unlucky am I

tranquil wagon
craggy monolith
#

max dama's top ten c++ tricks

signal storm
stark fulcrum
#

anyone know if there's a citadel employee discord?

calm pumice
#

Hi currently in a process with Virtu for trading operations analyst intern. I am trying to figure out how much time I should put into prepping as I am primarily interested in becoming a SWE.

Primarily wondering would this role get me in procs for big tech and hft firms for SWE . Based on what I am seeing online does not seem like it so just wanted to get a vibe off people in the industry.

#

For reference I have f500 ds internship and incoming as a SWE intern at a midsized tech company for the summer

fiery tangle
calm pumice
#

Hey off an RO or what did he do?

fiery tangle
calm pumice
# fiery tangle yeah

damn did he have to network into or did he moreso talk to see if he could get placed into a process and re-interviewed

fiery tangle
#

they just straight gave him ro for swe instead of trading ops

calm pumice
#

Damn

calm pumice
#

Also if anyone for virtu could chime in would appreciate that

brave radish
#

has anyone done a two sig swe interview

edgy ledge
#

Hey, anyone with AQR offer? Looking to connect, please DM!

silent umbra
#

if i like lowk didnt do any work until now for school and my gpa is fried can i still break into quant

#

its like a 3.5 at a t10 math, t5 finance and t20 cs school

tranquil wagon
silent umbra
#

Yea thatā€™s what I thought

#

But like do hella firms care abt gpa

#

I thought it was just js citsec hrt and Juno

#

Jump

#

And my school isnā€™t target enough for hrt or jump anyways

tranquil wagon
silent umbra
#

okay bet thanks

#

lol yea it is šŸ™‚

#

does anyone that has broken into qt or something similar mind taking a look at my res

#

if i send in dms

#

i have a diff res for swe and qunat

tranquil wagon
craggy monolith
slim nova
#

I go to a target school (JS, citadel, HRT, Optiver etc recruit heavily from my school). My past internships include FAANG and a top tier unicorn (databricks, stripe etc). However, I wasnā€™t able to get in as an intern in one of these quant firms. Do I have a chance as a full time? I have heard they recruit fewer people for full time

ember star
#

Anyone know what Optiver r1 ask? (this is for swe)

silent umbra
#

No like I just didnā€™t give a fuck about school

#

Like I still learnt shit

#

I mean I have quant dev from a smaller shop in nyc

#

And u have data science at a f150 finance firm

#

So like not empty

#

I also decided to recruit swe for summer like a month ago

#

So Iā€™ve been doing that

#

Yea I mean Iā€™m a soph so like if I can land faang+ this summer thatā€™d be ideal

#

Itā€™s a firm that sells their pre trade algos to other firms

#

Flextrade

#

Yea Iā€™m a soph

#

As long as I can land some shit for this summer

#

Iā€™ll study my techs n shit

#

I have ML engineer spring internship at a f200 manufacturing firm too

#

So if I canā€™t land anything for Sumer

#

Iā€™ll just extend that

tranquil wagon
#

I donā€™t get how those companies stay in business, youā€™d think buying algos from them is like adverse selection

#

Lmao

slim nova
#

Prepping for interviews by learning C++ trivia etc, OS, networking and some hardware stuff. And of course leetcode. Am I missing something? Also, any best resources to learn C++ trivia they require?

tranquil wagon
#

Especially trying to write safe and performant systems while avoiding UB

#

Thatā€™s when u run into the rlly interesting stuff

slim nova
#

Makes sense. So they ask questions that you are actually likely to run into rather than random stuff right? (generally speaking)

#

Also, would you say they focus more on the trivia or OS, networking etc?

tranquil wagon
#

Iā€™d say as far as ā€œtriviaā€ that you havenā€™t directly used in practice goes thatā€™s gonna be more on the OS side in my experience

slim nova
#

Cool cool that sounds fair. My plan is to work on a big C++ project involving networking while grinding OS and networking

silent umbra
#

I mean they prob arenā€™t great

#

But they make 250M annual rev

#

So canā€™t be bad

#

Or atl somethingā€™s working

#

anyone have any tips for what i should say for why sig in my phone int tmrw

#

like i was gonna say shit abt poker and games

#

but idk if thats enough

tranquil wagon
tranquil wagon
silent umbra
#

LOL'

midnight scroll
#

Gaming culture was more or less what I said iirc lol

#

One of the interviewers seemed very pleased when I mentioned league to them

#

Think he was a big player too

#

Did you know they flew some of their Drexel coop interns out to worlds and they managed to meet Jensen

strange trench
silent umbra
#

LOL thats tuff

#

preciate it guys

silent umbra
#

LMFAOO

#

If u got it

#

Thatā€™s lowk aura

calm pumice
#

Interesting thanks, mind if I dm a couple questions if I get a offer

surreal pond
dire finch
#

but commods is not systematic

#

or at least not as systematic

tranquil wagon
tacit cradle
#

I ā¤ļø shrimp commodities

charred spear
#

is quant new grad over for this year?

#

i still wanna work towards getting into the field but idk how possible it is to jump after a year somewhere else. also, i have no c++ experience, idk what the best way to get more exp rn is

small sapphire
charred spear
# small sapphire do a master?

too late rn, I think Iā€™m pretty much set to graduate and didnā€™t apply anywhere. And I do have a job in fintech space (not stripe)

dire finch
charred spear
midnight scroll
#

congrats on capital one river trading

signal storm
clear gorge
#

congrats man

small sapphire
pseudo kiln
#

anyone have experience being flown to nyc for jane streetā€™s quant internship? like the final onsite i think

dire finch
#

no ur first one

urban delta
#

Like you gotta do 3-5 hours of back to back technical interviews seems like a grind

craggy monolith
pseudo kiln
urban delta
#

Yeah sorry bro šŸ˜­ but you should be fine considering you made it this far

#

Just be locked and spam caffeine

#

Take an L theanine, it helps focus your caffeine

tranquil wagon
dire finch
#

there's a form???

#

bros janitor fr

grizzled sapphire
glacial kernel
#

what's the general consensus on optiver culture and wlb? got recruiter reach out for new grad expedited process but don't know if i want to go through interviewing again

cursive stratus
#

bruh

#

bum channel

#

this channel is full of bums and frauds

tranquil wagon
glacial kernel
tranquil wagon
craggy monolith
foggy flower
brittle finch
#

is 3.5 at columbia too low for ATS

smoky vortex
#

just leave it off

covert marten
#

hows the transition from embedded sw to quant dev?

#

if my c++/c# is very solid

#

w/ a math background

mint aurora
covert marten
#

as an intern

#

breaking into it, getting interviews etc

untold prawn
#

depends on school and prev

craggy monolith
foggy flower
mint aurora
#

Getting interview prob hardest part

#

Rest is chill

#

If ur good at cpp

#

everyone i know with that bg did very well for intern recruiting

lethal wyvern
#

can anyone speak on thoughts about Old Mission for qd? Howā€™s it stack against Optiver IMC DRW etc for pay/career progression?

worn quartz
brisk tapir
untold prawn
#

bro loves trolling

tranquil wagon
brisk tapir
primal shell
#

u didn't hear about the headlands operatives in Cote D'ivoire giving them alpha on cocoa production?

#

big moves

#

you ever question how nordstream conveniently had underwater ruptures in the same time period cit natural gas had a generational run :clueless:

#

the pieces are all there

green viper
#

has anyone heard back from bridgewater

red tangle
#

how much c++ do you need to know for early career quant dev?

#

hmm what about bare minimum knowledge

#

the reason i ask is bc i've gotten reached out for quant dev position but i'm not too confident in c++

#

i have lots of gaps in knowledge

#

so just been using learncpp

craggy monolith
#

sabotage window leaked to the right desk

#

or did they schedule the dive team

mint aurora
red tangle
#

and also citadel eqr but dk team

mint aurora
mint aurora
#

Probably need to learn it a lot regardless tho esp if cpp23

red tangle
mint aurora
red tangle
mint aurora
#

I think itā€™s weirdly divided but not sure; eg their NXT role is C++ but EQR is mostly python

#

If it says QD prob python

mint aurora
red tangle
# 
I was keen to get in touch because Citadelā€™s Equity Quantitative Research (EQR) group in New York are scaling rapidly and looking for exceptional software engineers or quant developers (Python), at all levels, and wondered if youā€™d be open to a chat? No buy side experience is needed.
#

yeah i see the python

#

i'd prefer swe

#

but would need to prep a lot

mint aurora
#

Quant dev is basically swe unless u want more researchy stuff

#

There is two halves to it, one is research provision for fundamentals and another is systematic trading

red tangle
#

i currently use with c++ for work

#

but never used python in industry

red tangle
mint aurora
shadow bough
#

Can u do eqr research as qd and also do cpp? Maybe im just being too hopeful

mint aurora
#

If itā€™s on the cit side (at least for ng) iā€™ve not heard of them asking them super niche cpp stuff so

mint aurora
mint aurora
#

They donā€™t ask much math in the process

shadow bough
red tangle
mint aurora
mint aurora
#

They donā€™t ask any of that

shadow bough
mint aurora
#

The only cpp trivia i have seen is stuff that is actually used for code not those gotchas heā€™ asks

mint aurora
#

lol

#

citsec is a lot diff

#

and so are other cit teams

shadow bough
mint aurora
shadow bough
#

Like can u apply to eqr for intern specifically?

#

Ahhhhh

red tangle
mint aurora
#

For intern they just ask whatever hahaha

mint aurora
#

But maybe itā€™s diff for a few yoe idfk

#

prob not tho

red tangle
mint aurora
#

I spoke w eqr tho and did all the rounds tho thatā€™s y

red tangle
#

ah makes sense

mint aurora
#

And a few other firms, and a lot of my friends have

#

asw*

red tangle
#

was this for intern roles?

mint aurora
#

Donā€™t take anything i say w any seriousness tho lol (same w most ppl here)

mint aurora
#

New grad

red tangle
#

gotcha gotcha