#quants-n-traders

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fresh swallow
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but he joined at 2yoe

orchid ether
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As a software engineer?

fresh swallow
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yeah swe/quant dev

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he's part of a desk

orchid ether
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Oh shit

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Do u mind if I dm u?

rocky crest
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they are very good at geometric problems

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i.e., the triangle inequality, the pentagon conjecture, etc.

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and applying that to options

storm gazelle
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I have my first phone thingy next week

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Does anyone have any info on Goldman Sachs Quant Engineer superday?

valid sand
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its not great but not bad either

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just go on linkedin and check past squarepoint current company and list every other one uwant to work at to see if its notable

summer jackal
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anyone done arrowstreet hm round

pulsar basin
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or the 4x30

summer jackal
fresh swallow
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some dude told me they let employees invest into the firm

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and now the senior leadership doesn't gaf cause they're all rich as fuck

neon mirage
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Anyone know if 2s still rejecting a lot after behaviorals for NG? Ik last year they rejected a lot of candidates after this step

low vault
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1x phone, 3x final

trim wharf
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Anyone know anything about cubist quant dev academy?

low blaze
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Anyone have experience with jpmorgan systemic trading process for analyst

sweet mango
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hey! does anyone have any insights into the PDT Partners phone screen for systems engineering? I am used to more system design interviews with less leetcode but there seems to be a unspecified hackerrank n am scared .

trim wharf
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hi

shy patio
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anyone get citadel recruiting survey and not get rejected

pseudo marten
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interview process varies, but mostly basic technical questions and heavy on resume / past experiences

lavish marten
charred sequoia
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What's the process like for sig is it oa -> phone -> final?

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Also has anybody done sig technical i can dm pls?

unborn folio
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for qt at least

warm anvil
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has anyone here interviewed with radix?

tender venture
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anyone got any advice for market making game strategies?

warm anvil
tender venture
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no i know but any advice

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on specific strategies

warm anvil
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haha idk

rough plume
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hrt hit hc

tardy oriole
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anyone have any advice for jump QR phone?

sinful kernel
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anyone else got additional phone interview for cit?

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idk what it means

low vault
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hc hit hrt

empty jewel
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Bro if u do

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They literallly reengineer your interview

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I got touched by sig lol i casually played low stakes at my school and got touched about reverse implied pot odds and some confidence intervals

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citsec moves fast lol i don’t know about citadel but it has to be similar

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over a week and i wouldn’t be fairhful

empty jewel
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Honestly it was fine but they will grill on resume

trim wharf
empty jewel
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I don’t know why i didn’t get through i thought i did fine

low vault
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i dont think they hit hc but people doom about it way too much

empty jewel
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had an older student here that was a mentor figure in a way that interned at areowstreet

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they pay great but if u don’t have advanced degree they will very likely not give u return offer

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also will grill you on options if you have market making or trading competition stuff like that on your resume

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like expect you to be able to recall black scholes formulas lol but he didn’t get that and he still got in so idk

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definitely one of those places that aren’t a good place to join before you turn 30 because its like a mid/late stage and very academic place he says he just got lucky getting in the internship

storm gazelle
minor eagle
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So they want u to do another phone to see if ur worthy for onsite

low vault
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headcount

rose holly
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What skills do I need to be a quant intern?

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Is it just a lot of math and ML?

mighty nest
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imc or arrowstreet 😵‍💫

mighty nest
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tyy

flint dirge
uneven crow
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anyone done squarepoint hm round? would appreciate any insight 🙂

ocean bloom
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whats considered the best team at citadel to work for? in terms of being on the chill side and interesting work

uneven crow
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Graduate SWE, Montreal

unborn folio
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arrowstreet better

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for qd, i have no idea

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for qt at imc vs qr at arrowstreet probably the latter

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but also depends on what u actually want to do

crimson crystal
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has anyone done the imc quant trading intern process?

green flame
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what's the easiest quant to get into as a qd/swe?

sinful kernel
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sig

halcyon zealot
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Is imc hc full for hardware engineering amsterdam?

green flame
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at least somewhat orz 🤡

green flame
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wait i heard imc doesnt rlly ask hard lc is that true?

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rlly?

zenith panther
potent summit
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yea filled

zenith panther
potent summit
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no i was responding to @lucid cloak

deep cargo
grim pecan
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Any of yal take the Putnam?

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or ICPC

zenith panther
terse barn
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imc and sig easier bc their resume screen is less random

split lintel
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mcdonaldseta prestige is cooked

lavish marten
stiff elbow
valid sand
terse barn
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this is for intern

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imc and sig new grad seem ez too, idt virtu hires external new grads

valid sand
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is there like a list similar to nc150 but for quantdev/sd?

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thats more along the lines of what would be asked for these firms

sinful kernel
valid sand
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so like how do these wankers prepare

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cause for shit like meta i can just grind meta tagged

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idk how to prep for those cancer cit quesitons

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the oas have been heavy lc gotcha shit tho, i guess the actual interviews arent as much

kindred turtle
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bro how what's ur gpa

low vault
ocean bloom
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can anyone give me some info on PDT Partners. Heard it’s a top tier quant but how is it in terms of comp, culture etc

terse barn
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virtu is pure rng resume screen, drw seems to be rng

grim sigil
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currently working at meta as an MLE, just graduated in june would like to maybe go for HRT algo dev campus hire. thoughts?

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currently doing infra + some model training but I have the ability to pick my own projects kinda

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what direction should I move in?

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or maybe hrt algo dev experienced hire? idk how hard that is

quick grail
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Do I have a chance if go to no name school with non-tech internship? Looking for graduate trader role

halcyon zealot
tranquil wagon
tranquil wagon
rocky crest
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all of those (ctc, wolverine, valkeyrie, etc.)

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  • sig swe is by far the easiest name quant
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way easier than imc since sig doesnt care about tech (most of their swes are drexel) whereas imc's edge is latency

grim sigil
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I don’t wanna waste a bunch of time if I don’t have a chance

terse barn
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imc interviews are weirdly easy too

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i’m not sure how they get good swe talent if their interviews are that free

halcyon zealot
rocky crest
terse barn
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bc their ng interviews are the same as intern too

rocky crest
grim sigil
terse barn
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btw do you know what js swe ro rate is

rocky crest
grim sigil
terse barn
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hmm

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i need to clutch

halcyon zealot
rocky crest
terse barn
rocky crest
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i mean niche quants cant make their interviews harder than the name brand ones or their offer conversion rate will ne like 10%

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they dont have capacity to interview like that

tranquil wagon
rocky crest
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unicorns can make their interviews harder than big tech because ppl will turn down big tech for unicorns

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even tho they're smaller

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so that's sort of the exception

grim sigil
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to even get one

valid sand
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is there other programs like citadel NXT

terse barn
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idt we even have a hpc class

tranquil wagon
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I need help with homework

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It’s not going well

terse barn
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what’s mpi

tranquil wagon
warm anvil
midnight scroll
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mpi is used for distributed computing

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parallel computing, large datacenters, etc.

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is that really a HPC topic?

zenith panther
zenith panther
terse barn
atomic roost
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Does anyone know how much Marshall Wace pays NG in NYC? Curious since I can't find anything online.

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For SWE

green flame
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can you apply to both c++ and py for akuna?

rocky crest
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i could be misremembering

atomic roost
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oh dang, dyk how much they pay intern?

rocky crest
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i dont really remember tho i might be hallucinating

atomic roost
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for SWE or QT/QR?

rocky crest
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SWE

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do they have quant traders

jade solar
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Got bloomberg tomorrow, no clue how this is going to go down

vernal hornet
pulsar scarab
jade solar
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2 hackerranks I think

warm anvil
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austin right

storm turret
rocky crest
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great pay cushy perks good culture

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i don’t remember more

storm turret
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thank u, appreciate it

fresh swallow
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Good small firms would prefer someone with trading experience, a big firm or big tech company can afford to train you

fresh swallow
atomic roost
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got rejected Marshall Wace

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apparently I was too interested in quant dev, not general enough lol

tranquil wagon
atomic roost
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lol

tranquil wagon
# atomic roost

Doesn’t that just mean they don’t do quant dev internships

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Or am I mis interpreting

vestal remnant
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Anyone know if DRW QR challenge is auto?

atomic roost
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Got rejected by the rest of the HFT world after finals, MW was the last one left

zenith panther
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ive never heard of mw

rocky crest
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unofficially

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but yeah gotta be careful about that

atomic roost
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Yeah ik MW isn't HFT, but some of their teams are HFT adjacent

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They still collocate their data centers and execute their trades similarly, just with some positional perspective rather than just trading against the spread

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Why's homie clowning lmao 😂

thorn wyvern
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Ever since he got belvedere he got a crazy ego

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dont let him bully you bro. Marshall Mathers Trading is a top firm

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Fine i fixed

misty basin
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Would you guys reckon OS/Computer Networks/ DBMS are the only topics you need to be strong other than the technical skills to make it in quant ? (SWE)

rocky crest
rocky crest
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sorry he said no

tranquil wagon
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I haven’t taken OS yet but I want to learn the stuff before next recruiting season but next semester I’m doing an off season internship, what’s the best book to learn the important stuff

terse barn
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ostep is all the OS u need for any systems swe intern at like any company

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unless it’s a cracked startup

tranquil wagon
terse barn
tranquil wagon
misty basin
misty basin
rocky crest
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ig CitSec makes 4

terse barn
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virtu

terse barn
neon mirage
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whats the best way to prep for 2sig behavioral, seems like everyone gets rej here

terse barn
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how do u pass 2sig resume screen huh

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how to pass sig resume screen huh

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how to pass drw resume screen huh

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how to pass ctc resume screen huh

native pumice
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lie

fluid pond
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does hft call to reject?

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yea Jump

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is it doom

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😔

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can I dm?

storm gazelle
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Has anyone done the first JS phone screen?

storm turret
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thoughts on Marshall wace vs meta? Both swe. Wanna try quant but kinda scared of getting silo’d into finance if mw isn’t recognized by tech companies

fresh swallow
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quant or swe

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being a quant swe sucks tbh go to meta

storm turret
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yeah just swe

untold prawn
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i'd prolly go meta

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quant is glorified imo a lot of firms attract ppl with crazy intern pay but then NG is mediocre, especially for NYC

fresh swallow
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also the experience you gain is completely irrelevant for tech jobs

storm turret
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yeah the new grad pay is like mid 200s but idk what growth looks like from there

untold prawn
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you're also a second class citizen at firms like mw so i'd keep that in mind

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if you want to try it though i don't think it's a bad decision per se

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just less optimal than meta

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if you want to try quant later down the line, ads team at meta would be really good for instance

storm turret
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what u think about meta vs ctc? cuz i think marshall wace is like same tier ngl

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i rlly want nyc but pretty confident i can just switch to meta nyc

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but the unknown factor sucks

west oriole
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W

rocky crest
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meta ny ng goes up to 230k

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meta negotiates a lot

stoic wigeon
gilded quartz
storm turret
gilded quartz
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i think most of the summer interns not in nyc are waiting to hear if they can switch to nyc for ng

fresh swallow
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yeah living in menlo is wack

gilded quartz
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millenium giving out swe offers alr?

vast relic
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300k return

dire arrow
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what r the mickest quant processes

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I would genuinely hella fw metereology qyuant

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ts sounds so fye

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im ngmi for res screen

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i think

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thats acc so dirsrespectful its crazy

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thats actually the worst shit ive heard in my life

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naur

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I need it BADLY

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I like beautiful women who are tall

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french + dagestani

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larp??

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i dont look african

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play wit da O yo ass get killed

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fuck tune

neon mirage
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guys should I take networks or OS

late dagger
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did u end up getting millennium?

sleek smelt
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Anyone done quant research interview at imc ?

valid sand
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Anyone do optiver oa ?

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Is it cooked

terse barn
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lol someone

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LOL

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yeah

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they had a great experience

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learned a lot of meteorology related data science

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works at NASA now

floral salmon
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that was real?

zenith panther
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correct decision tbh

sleek smelt
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Anyone done imc hr interview

broken yarrow
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Is it worth to do a masters at top Cs school (e.g uiuc) to be target for quant?

zenith panther
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if you can go to FAANG probably just dont do it

zenith panther
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take meta and dont do a masters

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ur interested in working on crud dashboards for longer hours and on a worse codebase?

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pay makes sense, idk abt the rest

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nah

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i've worked in big tech and quant

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quant isn't interesting or more fun

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it just pays more

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did u intern there before alr

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it pays more

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unofrtunate

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honestly, you can p easily go from meta --> citadel

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a lot of ppl on my team at citadel were meta

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idt it's worth paying 50-100k for a masters

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idk. maybe?

graceful geyser
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@zenith panther how are you eternally on this LMFAO

zenith panther
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also i looked at my algos hw

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and it looked easy

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so i figure i can procrastinate

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Google and Roblox

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Google was significantly better.

graceful geyser
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ngl roblox --> quant is big pipeline for some reason

zenith panther
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crazy hating

graceful geyser
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what does this even mean lmfao

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wecu?

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yeah

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man's giga chad

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orz orz

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true

zenith panther
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my interview wasn't even LC 💀

graceful geyser
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yeah I think quant firms no longer ask hard algo

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unless you do like algo dev

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can't pass cit OA for my life 😭

low vault
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`omg forces

zenith panther
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do u feel bad about yourself or something 💀

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why you hating

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what did i do to you besides tell u that swe is pain

graceful geyser
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friend had 11 rounds at cit for internship position 🫣

low vault
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no just cf is neuron activation

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is it 10.35 AM ET rn

zenith panther
low vault
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i might do cf again bc im in japan rn

zenith panther
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why would i do more cf to reach my potential

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cf is like a hobby you do on the side

graceful geyser
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what are you hedging

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quant?

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confirmed offer?

zenith panther
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? they dont expect you to solve it

graceful geyser
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I mean I think by default it's never bad to ask js to expedite?

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they might/might not but it's not gonna hurt ur chance

zenith panther
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citadle doesn't expect very much

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they hired me

graceful geyser
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if you got a ddl you got a ddl

zenith panther
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💀

fiery pawn
zenith panther
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ngl u probably just didn't speak very well

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i got 3 easies and 1 medium

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💀

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yeah.

graceful geyser
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don't have datapoints myself on this, but friend heard rejection pretty quick

zenith panther
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that's probably it

graceful geyser
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I mean they prob have to coordinate to fly you out for onsite right

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so reasonable if they take longer

zenith panther
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i got asked a problem that basically went down to 4D DP (i had a 3D solve but its more annoying)

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but i still passed even tho i didnt finish impl

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bcz i spoke decnetly ig

graceful geyser
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uhhhh when's your ddl

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if it's within a week then tell them to hurry up

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whether you expedite this is not gonna change whether you pass the round

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LMFAOOOO

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hmm yeah rush js then

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a week is very long for a firm imo

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everywhere else I hear back like within the week

zenith panther
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you can say it's luck. i think it's just bcz communication skills.

graceful geyser
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but ig their intern onsite visit day is coming up so maybe recruiters are busy planning

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for interns with offers

zenith panther
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the point of coding interviews aren't to flex how good you are at solving problems

zenith panther
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they're there to see how well you can convey your thought process to a cowoerker

low vault
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it's okay im so washed its over anyway

graceful geyser
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agreed

hardy grail
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Hello

graceful geyser
# graceful geyser agreed

if you can communicate well then they will more than likely help you out when you get stuck a little on algo

zenith panther
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you got JS?

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ah

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unlucky

graceful geyser
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how tough was final

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same as phone?

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algo wise or design wise

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oh wow

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orzorz

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making to final

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see this year you make final, next year you get ng offer

zenith panther
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it's okay

graceful geyser
zenith panther
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you can go to big tech

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and work on real stuff

graceful geyser
zenith panther
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my bad

graceful geyser
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pro strat - join a startup so you get matched to the only team

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man got rng diffed by hotel room

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issok

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the next chunk you explore in life might just be a quad witch hut

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remember to shut your lights

low vault
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.

zenith panther
low vault
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One was prev QS @ Shaw and one was prev stripe

graceful geyser
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@low vault can we dm ab smth

low vault
graceful geyser
low vault
fiery pawn
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wait are you above 2000? cuz they recently changed AGC lower bound

low vault
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But I usually touch grass on weekends so doing atcoder is still pretty inconvenient

low vault
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Next year cos uw

zenith panther
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@low vault how to become orzz

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wait r u good at systems and that kinda stuff

deep cargo
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I’m so washed

deep cargo
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Yeah I will after internship is done

terse barn
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probably taking notes on ur interview, something like 50% of interviewers i’ve had at any company have explicitly said “don’t worry if you see me typing or writing, i’m just taking notes”

low vault
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its not like my #1 tho

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but i think it's probably what i want to go into for work

graceful geyser
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designing data intensive applications

hexed obsidian
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Anyone know anything about Optiver Trading Operations Analyst intern role

flint dirge
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How should I prepare for qt interviews

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failing horribly

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Usamo+putnamPepeHands

stiff elbow
rocky crest
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orz orz orz js final is crazy

nimble solstice
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offer

near nymph
silent shore
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Does anyone know anything about Trading @ BP (Commodity trading like energy/gas) and whether it can help break into traditional quant roles. Or would taking something like SWE @ chick Fil A or amazon help more

lavish marten
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how long to hear back from cubist after oa?

sour pilot
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recruiter sent me scheduling form for phone 1 day after OA, but then just kept ghosting me and still hasnt scheduled it

supple shoal
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anyone know what to expect for voleon phone for swe?

lavish marten
valid sand
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What list did u even find this on 😅

zenith panther
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orz

low vault
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im curious how you did it that way but I think it's nontrivial

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||the string induced by dfs on each node is a subarray of dfs(1), so it's sufficient to check whether the range [l, r] is a palindrome, which can be found by checking the middle of the range in the manachers array||

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wひchI feel like is motivated by ||euler tours||

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yeah I can see that too

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I was thinking of hashing originally asw

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yeah it doesn't exactly match ET array indices (depends on how you do it) but the ideas are similar imo

zenith panther
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damn

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orz

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i should do CF again

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im rusty asf now

sinful kernel
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how does comp progress at quant swe

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ik its mostly flat hierarchy

low vault
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Ah fair

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👍

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I think the question would be more interesting if the tree was undirected

harsh cargo
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has anyone done imc qt intern hr interview yet

valid sand
fresh swallow
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companies be having random ass offices in real cities but you can't work there unless you're on the desk kinda sucks

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Core dev roles all in just nyc/chicago/miami

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Tower got a Charleston office would love to transfer there when I'm like 30 and have a wife

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don't even know what's there lol

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just know that we have it and there's like 20 or 30 ppl there max

valid sand
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Team?

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Ctc could be Java

tranquil wagon
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Someone’s gotta do it 🤷

sinful kernel
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dm me jsut got swe intern offer

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for sig

midnight scroll
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Anyone know blackedge NG TC

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(qd)

tranquil wagon
midnight scroll
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levels for small companies is pretty shite

lean oxide
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Has anyone ever done anything similar to this, a virtual finance experience? If so what did you do in it and how can I best prepare?

midnight scroll
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im just curious how their marble system works really

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already have a general swe offer which im much more inclined for wlb wise

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so not sure if its worth continuing the process unless its a significant bump

vestal remnant
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Anyone know if Old Mission Junior Quant Trader - Micro-internship OA is auto or not?

midnight scroll
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auto

spice talon
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you can start with a division 4 contest virtual participation

valid sand
spice talon
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cf is a different experience than leetcode

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less straightforward, you need to interpret the problem statement

valid sand
spice talon
lavish marten
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has blackedge ever done off-season in the history of black edging or am i cooked

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brio

flint dirge
gentle silo
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Did anyone get call from fidelity for Quant researcher?

tranquil wagon
spice talon
tranquil wagon
spice talon
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There isn't a definitive list
Just do virtual contests and solve problems and you'll kinda get a vibe for it

valid sand
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I guess start with that

tranquil wagon
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Thanks

proud fossil
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Try the ladders out too, the cses problem are more algorithm based then the ABC problems in contests

tranquil wagon
sturdy steeple
deep cargo
sturdy steeple
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congrats on c1 @deep cargo

fringe stratus
rapid mesa
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~1/3

rapid mesa
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Trading is about other things than rigorously solving Olympiad problems

mint inlet
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has anyone try to push Cit to fall, for swe?

drifting crown
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Are citadel and citsec recruiting processes for swe independent after leadership rounds? As in do the recruiters call separately to give results?

thin bramble
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Yes.

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The leadership round is also independent

valid sand
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How was the interviews

sudden tusk
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is citadel hc

sinful kernel
neon mirage
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Sorry to keep asking but Does anyone know how long it takes to hear back aftef 2 sig final?

sinful kernel
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in terms of comp growth and ceiling

valid sand
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that sounds rough bro what role was this

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might be ur recruiter just being shit

sinful kernel
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yea - tyty

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are the questions similar in difficulty to the phone screen

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bc that was lowkey an easy medium

valid sand
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Yeah I imagine the churn through a lot as well

harsh cargo
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Anyone done imc qt intern super day

valid sand
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anyone solve the js monthly puzzle

chilly sonnet
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can someone send me thier resume template for SDE role fresher

supple shoal
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@lime zealot i saw u went through voleon swe process -- do u mind giving any tips for the process or things to expect? i ahve my phone in a few days

sinful kernel
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I NEED cit fall

thin bramble
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get a headhunter to refer you

deep cargo
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Cit does

rancid tangle
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tyty, I've heard mixed opinions though, some say it's not actually that bad vs your friend's story

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were they a dev or QR ?

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thanks for insight !

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mind if I DM you ?

zenith panther
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HRT

rancid tangle
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my concern w HRT though is that they’re an order of magnitude bigger than the other firms mentioned

valid sand
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u will get asked

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has to do with impelmentation of ds, heaps etc

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optimization

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maybe the IO part of it i think besides that no?

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it will be that or IPC

zenith panther
#

concurrency

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and io

rancid tangle
#

yeah and impact, less greenfield stuff where I get to witness the design of stuff firsthand versus making improvements to existing systems

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admiteddly the improvements will probably be more deep and technical than a greenfield project but as a new grad I would want to have a bigger picture understanding of things and specialize later

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I'm not sure if this judgement is accurate

zenith panther
#

i just speculate

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im still trying to get ino the industry

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i just think HRT is the most well rsepcted

rotund glacier
#

The benefit is that since there are more ish people around you get more experience and mentorship from them vs smaller companies where people can kinda make things up

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So I don’t know if your assessment is entirely accurate

#

(And also citadel is definitely the biggest company on your list)

stoic wigeon
#

damn

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grass isn’t in fact always greener on the other side

rancid tangle
deep cargo
#

Wecu orz

#

dzdo orz

low vault
#

Wecu orz

robust totem
#

Wecu orz

low vault
#

Lil bro trying to act like he isn't incoming radix intern

rancid tangle
hybrid parrot
#

Any downside to scheduling my JS qt intern interview like 3 weeks from now

#

I'm worried about headcount but a friend told me headcount isn't a thing for qt?

kindred turtle
#

yeah basically no they'll still interview u

#

but the bar might be way higher?? idk

main totem
#

Anyone know if Cit looks negatively on you doing onsite not in person?

#

I have mobility issues so might be difficult for me to get to nyc

cunning charm
azure zenith
#

but regardless, if they provide you with the choice of a virtual onsite then I think they'll be indifferent to you picking it

rapid mesa
stoic wigeon
#

wtf really?

#

for trading final is also virtual

main totem
#

Has anyone done QR onsite for citadel?

#

Or know anybody who has

fresh swallow
azure zenith
#

This is citadel, they're huge so I'd doubt it'd have any effect

#

Not a startup of 20 people

#

Citadel will throw away 20,000 dollars if it means they can do less work

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I don't think it would make any difference at all you going over there vs. not when it comes to your actual result

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They're not going to feel sunken cost for an on-site day, given they're willing to pay people $25k per referral

#

they're made of money 🫠

valid sand
#

has anyone done optiver oa

vagrant rose
#

Freshman student, roadmap to quant swe?

i ask because:

  1. highest paid SWEs
  2. feel that theyre less likely to be replaced because more skilled than FAANG

ive been told i need to learn cs fundamentals well and this should cover it: https://teachyourselfcs.com/

would like to hear your thoughts, any resource greatly appreciated

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for now im going to look through a lot of quant swe job listings and see the type of things they want. ive also seem some videos on youtube, namely by codingjesus

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my aim for year 1 is getting good at dsa (namely leetcode). in the future ive heard i need to get good at understanding operating systems, c++, distributed systems, networks etc

#

thanks. what is cscd btw?

#

oh i see

#

thank you

#

i'm not aware of the different types. i do know about the distinction between qt and quant swe though

#

i've never heard web dev for quant. i'm interested in distributed systems

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i know

#

i understand

#

the thing with this is that if my goal is being an swe then why not aim for the highest. in terms of skill level

  1. quant swe
  2. faang swe
    ....

hence im asking what differentiates quant from faang and if there are any roadmaps to the former

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this has been my understanding as well but please educate me

#

im talking new grad

mental moth
vagrant rose
#

hedge funds run more lean so they're less of a "bullshit job" to me

#

i think this is going besides the main point

#

you can apply this reasoning to anything and you dont get very far

vagrant rose
robust bone
vagrant rose
#

direction still helps

vagrant rose
#

im asking what those skills are

#

i could say i like making react webapps but i dont think its going to get me very far (i dont)

untold prawn
#

i don't think it makes sense to optimize for money at the highest levels unless you really have no preferences for anything

#

for ex the vast majority of quant firms are in nyc or chicago

zenith panther
untold prawn
#

what if u don't like being in a big city

zenith panther
#

qswe has a higher floor by a bit

#

but like... it's not really all that

untold prawn
#

what if u don't like working in smaller teams, what if u don't like the lack of stability, what if you don't like the longer hours, etc.

vagrant rose
# untold prawn what if u don't like being in a big city

idc for any of that im just asking what differentiates the two. even if i learn what is needed to get into quant but dont get quant thats still fine. the assumption being made here is quant swes are more skilled than faang

untold prawn
vagrant rose
#

i think youre minsunderstanding

#

i dont necessarily want to be a quant swe. im a freshman, things may change by the times i graduate.
what im saying is that id like to follow some sort of roadmap of knoweldge or skillsets which current quant swes have, so by the time i graduate i know i have good market value

untold prawn
#

in that case i think fraud had the best advice, try to pick something you enjoy doing and specialize (in your case distributed) - you can build projects around that and then for interviews just do some regular LC

vagrant rose
#

alright, thanks

#

i think the main things i will try to achieve industry-wise this year is getting good at dsa through leetcode and my school dsa course, and starting to read DDIA

untold prawn
#

you could definitely try to take the traditional path of like "random company freshman program" fresh -> big tech/unicorn soph -> quant junior etc. and see what you like the most

vagrant rose
#

and a project or two

untold prawn
vestal remnant
#

Guys what’s the best way to prep for QR interview/can anyone suggest some good resources

long solstice
#

do yall know why millennium swe tc (200k) is like WAY lower than other trading companies, like ts and drw are like 350 tc standard right?

#

is this kinda weird? like i feel like millennium is talked p highly of? but how can they attract top talent by paying so little

tranquil wagon
#

That would be my guess

long solstice
#

are they rlly less competitive than like normal trading companies like idk

#

akuna

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or ctc or belv or transmarket groups or something

#

cuz their tc is still a tier below those types of companies

tranquil wagon
#

Probably less than akuna, idk about the other ones

long solstice
#

but then by that logic why doesnt like drw pay 200k given they dont need top level swes too

#

why would they not be,

#

ig two sigma and millennium are more comparable

#

but my point still stands? like swes arent there to make money for either company

#

theyre to help traders make money

#

but also compared to other multi-strategy hedge funds they pay weirdly low?

#

im still kinda confused then, like millennium swes also derive an edge from having good engineering talent? like i am assuming their swes dont just work on slack

#

i guess millennium pay might derive from the pnl of that portfolio manager?

#

but millennium does seem to always have high pnl in the news, and they manage a large amount of money as well

#

so it seems weird that they seem successful in finance news, but pay extremely poorly

#

what about in comparison to other hedge funds

#

this does make sense thanks

#

was just incredibly confused about the pay disparity between QRs and SWEs @ mlp as well as SWEs to other hedge funds/trading companies in general

#

it must then logically follow that because they pay less, they dont attract top talent, one important thing to consider before i interview i guess

low vault
#

tbf drw doesn't do much hft

#

also d e shaw pays their swes a lot, they don't do hft either 🙃

low vault
#

wtf is mlp

#

my little pny?

unborn folio
#

they're a fund

#

different strats

#

as an engineer you'll always be closer to the money particularly for latency sensitive strats

#

as a swe at a fund you're probably going to spend a significant amount of time developing tooling and whatnot rather than anything that directly contributes to revenue generation

#

on the other hand if you're on a systematic hft desk, then shaving off nanos by improving execution for instance will directly lead to revenue increase

unborn folio
#

you don't need exceptional people to be a dashboard monkey, so it's not worth for them to outbid other firms to get it

long solstice
#

as a swe and not qr or qt or any other role would u say mlp is kinda bottom tier for that exact reason then?

#

like akuna > mlp or sig > mlp?

dire arrow
#

is NSA res val

#

or mick

stoic wigeon
#

wut really?

#

i did superday there and that wasnt the vibe i got at all lol

static musk
stoic wigeon
#

yeah i can def see that

#

but wouldnt call them an HFT firm lol

#

they just do a lot of stuff, but vibe i got is that it's still mostly a market maker

static musk
#

fwiw their biggest omm desk does not consider itself hft

stoic wigeon
#

hm

#

idrk the difference between these terms

#

in my mind HFT -> very systematic

#

dude at drw said that most desks are still decentlt manual

#

and it's transitioning to being more semi systematic

neon mirage
#

Does 2S reject after passing hiring committee? 🙂

#

recruiter is working with me due to deadline, so I hope this isnt the case haha

#

but good to know tyyyy

raw saffron
#

is anyone in imc quant intern interview process

stoic wigeon
#

oh dam

main totem
#

Anyone know what chances of getting offer are after cit onsite

#

For NG

lavish marten
#

holy shit nobody here as any idea what theyre talking about looool

#

drw is not hft

#

anyways fuck cubist

zenith panther
#

idk what drw does

#

but arent they pod based

#

so id imagine they might have some hft

#

o there was a bunch of context

#

ew

lavish marten
#

ya i didnt read it

#

its j misleading to say that

lavish gale
pine hearth
#

I have an upcoming interview at Radix. I wanted to connect with someone. Can someone help?

summer jackal
#

anyone done arrowstreet qd intern final

lavish marten
#

its also myopic to do the opposite

#

i get what ur saying tho

neon mirage
#

Yes

#

Timeline was a week but I asked for expedite bc I have offer

#

I think so? Not really sure but I’m pretty sure

#

The end process is so confusing

#

Yes

#

Also you can dm

deft citrus
summer jackal
#

had first 2 rounds of my final today

#

next 2 on thursday

#

i thought it was gonna be all behavioral

#

but one of my rounds was system design lol

deft citrus
#

can i dm

summer jackal
maiden field
#

does any1 have a good data point on what 5rs ng swe tc is?

mystic ocean
#

is it worth to renege akuna swe intern for 2sig swe intern?

hybrid pine
mystic ocean
#

around that

#

heard u can't renege in quant tho

#

not sure how true that is

hybrid pine
#

i think for 2x def worth doing lol

mystic ocean
#

gotta pray a shared blacklist doesnt exist lol

lost heath
neon mirage
wintry tendon
#

i think so yeah

#

like the only team thats good at imc

#

yeah sort of

lavish marten
#

how long to hear back after p72 first phone round?

#

qd

peak egret
#

anyone get old mission qt intern oa

#

why do these goddamn oas come when i have the most work due for school

#

geeg

whole mirage
#

Anyone did IMC trader NG interview plz dmPepeHands

odd rapids
#

Anyone do garda capital swe first round?

fresh swallow
#

GTS

burnt lark
#

anyone know how long it takes to hear back after akuna trader final

low vault
#

I thought tower was good

empty jewel
burnt lark
empty jewel
#

Wtf

#

intern?

burnt lark
#

yup

fresh swallow
#

There might be swe positions on the large teams that pay better, idk

low vault
#

oh huh

#

thats like barely above tech rye

#

so tech will prob pay more in the lon run

#

i guess there really are only like

#

a few firms that pay crazy

oblique orbit
#

Anyone hear back from Maven for graduate trader?

storm gazelle
#

Anyone here get an offer for GS Quant Engineer internship? Or has already done that internship in the past?

foggy rover
abstract storm
#

Anyone know what Jane Street ng swe offer is?

#

I'm seeing 250+200+100 and 300+150+175 on levels.fyi and both look kind of legit

empty jewel
#

second is qt

#

they explicitly state qt base is 300k

abstract storm
#

hmm interesting

#

seems offers mostly have a guaranteed first year bonus

#

Does anyone know if what the normal bonus range is, if the guarantee is just to be seen as a lower bound? At quant firms

#

Assuming an entire year before the 1st bonus

tulip sapphire
low vault
#

But you might have to spam them

lavish marten
lavish marten
low vault
tulip sapphire
neon mirage
#

Does 2 sigma call to reject??

#

Yes

#

You’re trolling

#

Say swear bruh 🥲

#

Last wed

abstract storm
#

This is depressing

#

and I don't buy

split lintel
#

Im cooked

floral salmon
#

TCcapped 😞

low vault
#

i get the impression that their HR is overworked/disorganized

#

they mix up random details sometimes

#

and one of my friends did not get follow-ups properly

#

(though I did)

#

also they don't reject which is dumb

#

I had to ask for them to tell me that I got rejected

#

heh

tulip sapphire
#

my recruiter was not like this but do not dm and i had different people

#

maybe it's just that one recruiter?

low vault
#

sure

#

heh

lavish marten
#

not qd

#

but yeah my recruiter scheduled smth 16 hours in advance and the guy didnt even know he was interviewing me

sinful kernel
#

sheesh how does it scale after that?

cursive atlas
#

why not
i think it is pretty cooked

cold heart
#

Anyone interviewed at Chicago trading company?

orchid ether
#

Metaprogramming is really important for some places

#

I got hella cooked by one cause I had no clue how to do it

lavish marten
# low vault lulw

ur done w cubist process right; can i dm u or r no, no worries either way

gilded quartz
#

do quant swes generally have a problem with fall graduates? like r there any firms that only onboard ng in may

ocean bloom
#

Can someone dm me an invite to a quant specific discord if there’s any

urban eagle
#

Anyone know what to expect from a group mock trading interview?

abstract storm
#

That is depressing as well

#

this explains why people at large firms are quite mid

#

I have heard that even for QRs, the comp growth is slow as the firm is already structured. However QRs have 2x start comp, so even comp growth is slow they still have 2x comp

#

Only way to make $ seems to be 1. be equity partner and own some profits 2. be PM at pod firm that give pnl cut

untold prawn
hybrid parrot
#

can anyone recommend a site like open quant or a book to best practice game theory and open ended problems for jane street intern trading

whole cedar
#

Anyone have tips for Optiver SWE first technical round?

#

Intern ^^

whole cedar
#

Planning to do it in Python, never used C++

#

What's mts?

#

The first technical round won't be as focused on systems, no? More DSA?

whole cedar
#

You have any reqs?

#

I've read CSAPP

vestal remnant
#

Anyone here done any QR interviews?

vestal remnant
#

Any recs on how to study or prep?

#

Also, I want to do some practice problems for QR stats/ML stuff but can't find any

#

Know anything abt DRW?

abstract storm
fresh swallow
#

definitely you should know type traits at least

#

and know that template metaprogramming fucking sucks and concepts in c++20 make it a lot better

#

I think initializer lists are worthwile to know as well

fresh swallow
empty jewel
#

500k is not $ bro it’s $$$

empty jewel
#

bro mad he’s not making 7figs before he turns 30 lmao, what is your goal in life

abstract storm
#

How did you get this info

spice talon
#

"only 800k" 💀

abstract storm
#

Considering that Cit is 34 yrs old, SIG is 37 yrs and HRT 22 yrs, if you join hrt right now, HRT will be as old as the other firm when you are 10yrs in, and 5-6 will not be enough

abstract storm
# fresh swallow If making 500k a year is not $ enough for you you're actually insane

Third, don’t be mediocre. We are all very outstanding among the students. But I want to say that in society, we should set higher standards. I have seen a lot of college students and colleagues who work together, and there are a lot of very good people who are better at technology and performance than me. But 10 years later, many people didn’t live up to my expectations: I thought they could have done well, but they didn’t.
Many people don’t set up challenging goals after they graduate. I looked back and found that some former colleagues worked for banks. Some joined banks directly after graduation, and some worked for a while before working for banks. Why do I connect this with “not being mediocre”? Because many of them joined banks to get a Beijing household registration, or because the banks had housing subsidy or provided affordable housing at the time.
If you are unwilling to be mediocre and want to perform well, will these things really worry you? Do you really need a Beijing household registration and a house in Beijing? If graduates set their goals as buying a two-bedroom house in Beijing and spend all their energy on it, their work will suffer.
Their behavior will change and they will not take risks. One friend did part-time jobs in his spare time to earn some money. Those part-time jobs didn’t require too much skill, but they affected his career development and mental state. I asked him why, and he said, “Well, to cover the down payment.” It seems he earns money, but he’s actually losing.
It’s important not to be mediocre. Mediocrity is not about a high salary or good technology, but having high demands for yourself. You may develop slowly in the first two years, but it will be very different in 10 years.

empty jewel
#

and working for 1mil/(your annual salary) years is enough to comfortably get thru that man

abstract storm
#

there's some gambling addiction in successful trading

#

it is not much about how much money is enough, but the rush will require some money

lethal cape
#

has anyone heard back from millennium after the 2x30

#

for qr intern

tardy shuttle
#

what kind of questions are asked in Morgan Stanley Alphawise Quant summer intern OA?

sturdy bison
#

Any place where I can practice market making games that come up in interviews? I got cit sec first round coming up. Would be grateful for any pointers

rose holly
#

LMFAO

#

preach!

#

my goat

sinful kernel
#

i agree that like the best way to be stupid rich is thru finance but like most ppl don't have that goal. and like the money in SWE is more more than enough to live a great lfiestyle

#

and most ppl here would choose the latter

abstract storm
#

Most people were not born as king of england, and they didn't "choose" it that way

sturdy bison
#

Thanks bro but this is for trading. any pointers on that

kindred comet
#

Did anyone interview with Apple? Wanted to know what each rounds would be? Do they ask LC tagged questions?

#

Do you know if they ask like LC tagged questions?

#

Cool

floral salmon
#

this is a bot bro this server is cooked

low vault
#

hey guys im a current sophomore interested in quantitative finance. I currently have skills in react and aws, and wanted to know if you have any courses or bootcamps you would recommend to break in to quant. Do I need to know c++?

#

Nah Srs dude Do I need to know C++

#

What’s that

strange loom
#

and excel

rapid arch
#

this will not last lmfao ur tripping if u think that the complexity of IB / PE warrants the salary they get and if u think GS or any BB bank isn't privy to this ur insane

rapid arch
rose holly
#

but the skills required in pe are completely different and if you like stem problem solving its not a good fit

hot jacinth
#

Is IMC good at fpga? Got interview for

rapid arch
#

its quite literally the most GPTable career

#

ever

rose holly
rapid arch
#

Its not even comparable

#

Im not saying PE is a bad career path btw

#

Dont listen to this as some advice to go xyz direction because imo I honestly believe QR is harder to get than PE

#

Infinitely more difficult

hot jacinth
#

I was fpga lol so idk if I'll be helpful

dim sphinx
#

what team wtf

valid sand
#

How do you guys land these cpp roles- I started ft with java and I wana switch

snow moss
#

did anyone do the five rings final plz dm

kindred turtle
#

Do u have final for swe or qt

stiff elbow
#

wtf 😹

stone vector
#

what's the chance there will be an SEC law that can destroy a quant world

coarse blaze
#

bro wtf is this shit

clever cloak
#

!ban @scenic fable nsfw

glacial bladeBOT
#

Banned binjino_42651

fast girder
#

LMAO

#

C-suite is also still no power the real power is of religious miracle or life and death

#

even legal change relies on the force of someone else’s gun

#

Please remember that these small people like Bill Gates, Zuckerface, and Bezos are entirely dependent men. They can’t really do with their wealth what you think they can…for example, they could never just kill a man and take his wife, but even the ruler of the smallest African country has this power, this true wealth.

rapid arch
#

In a world where the skills of those associates are manipulating an excel spreadsheet and making a powerpoint why would a 600k salary even be given lmfao in the future these positions are cooked asf MDs will c the power LLMs have and ask themselves if they could reasonably just axe 80% HC of an incoming junior class of hires

cerulean gazelle
#

Sweatshop. 0 learning, 0 career growth. All you get is Apple on resume. IS&T is Apple but NOT 🍎 😭. Coming from someone who has a friend working there. Stay the fk away unless you want to hate work and your life.

strange loom
#

a job where you learn stuff is a + signal

rose holly
#

just join a terrorist org atp

#

not that hard and you get power 🔥

#

nlm has a few spots open

main totem
#

If I see interviewer name (SDA)

Does that mean it’s going to be a system design interview?

#

Or Statistical Data Analysis?

stiff elbow
#

it is

trim hare
#

whats headlands general wlb , comp, and prestige?

rose holly
#

<@&868936794601828492>

candid tulip
#

is js qt intern 2 or 3 rounds before superday?

clever cloak
rose holly
#

I think that was nsfw

split lintel
rose holly
#

The picture from southkrvv

#

I'm blind ASF

#

He got banned.my.bad

#

Picture was glitched on my app I had to refresh

candid tulip
void sorrel
#

Yes

#

Some people skip the 2nd

dire arrow
#

how much does js infocus help

#

for next cycle recruiting

uneven crow
#

Anyone finished cubist (quant dev academy) first 2 tech rounds? wondering how long it took to hear back

vast relic
#

I’ve seen 2 to 4

sinful kernel
#

more strategy games lol

#

idk how much fortnite is helping

untold prawn
stoic wigeon
#

i feel like it’s more of a correlation then causation

#

there’s this dude going to 5r next summer who allegedly was ranked 1 at clash royale at some point lol

stoic wigeon
#

also, genuine question, why are you trying to make that switch?

merry glade
#

I am an Indian developer (2024 batch) and have experience with fullstack development and machine learning and interested in switching to the quant technical sector...any guidance is appreciated

low vault
#

probably passed the interview on an alt too

merry glade
#

??

low vault
merry glade
#

Oh I see

#

@low vault But first of all where should I learn the necessary knowledge ??

#

Tutorials ? Books ?? You tube videos ? Course ?

peak egret
#

Yes

#

It’s not really maintained that well as far as I can tell but you can just check the companies pages directly

low vault
#

expected SWE experience can leans towards systems programming (e.g. C/C++) but there isn't anything specific

empty jewel
#

inrerviewed quant at citsec

#

quant trader

#

intern

#

wasup

empty jewel
#

ye

sinful kernel
#

is this global fixed income + macro (not citsec QT)?

#

if so dm me

earnest kraken
#

anyone done a Trading desk operations intern final with jane street?

sleek smelt
#

Hey, how did this go?

faint glen
#

Hi, does citadel care about gpa? Got an interview invite but my gpa is not high. Is it worth going through the process?

neon mirage
near nymph
#

i got cooked by qt intern r1 feel free to do

peak egret
#

you already got it

#

so

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

unless they do like stack rank at end or smth

#

but even then just go for it

empty jewel
placid stag
#

has anyone here done akuna trading intern final round

merry glade
#

What does this mean?

fallow lion
#

anyone know if 5r will match internship

drowsy girder
#

Anyone taken IMC qt intern final?

urban eagle
#

Anyone have advice for CTC QTA final new grad?

calm silo
#

Is it confirmed optiver resume screens after phone?

kindred turtle
#

does js trader bar increase a lot the later you recruit?

empty jewel
sleek smelt
raw saffron
#

Anyone taken IMC qt intern final?

lavish marten
#

the lurker reveals

viral valve
#

any advice on how to prep for jane street swe interviews?

sleek smelt
#

anyone know if any companies still hiring traders for this cycle

midnight scroll
#

cit was as of a few days ago

sleek smelt
midnight scroll
#

ya they sent a general email asking to apply by nov 4th (not reachout, just a generic thing)

#

so theyre probably still open?

earnest kraken
#

any advice for jane street tdoe onsite?