#quants-n-traders
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As a software engineer?
they are very good at geometric problems
i.e., the triangle inequality, the pentagon conjecture, etc.
and applying that to options
I have my first phone thingy next week
Does anyone have any info on Goldman Sachs Quant Engineer superday?
its not great but not bad either
just go on linkedin and check past squarepoint current company and list every other one uwant to work at to see if its notable
anyone done arrowstreet hm round
is this the 1 hour int after the codepair
or the 4x30
the 1 hour
sure
some dude told me they let employees invest into the firm
and now the senior leadership doesn't gaf cause they're all rich as fuck
Anyone know if 2s still rejecting a lot after behaviorals for NG? Ik last year they rejected a lot of candidates after this step
1x phone, 3x final
Anyone know anything about cubist quant dev academy?
Anyone have experience with jpmorgan systemic trading process for analyst
hey! does anyone have any insights into the PDT Partners phone screen for systems engineering? I am used to more system design interviews with less leetcode but there seems to be a unspecified hackerrank n am scared .
hi
anyone get citadel recruiting survey and not get rejected
A pretty decent rotation program with 3 to 4 trading teams, not too large so watch out for HC
interview process varies, but mostly basic technical questions and heavy on resume / past experiences
dyk anything abt p72 process itself for qd intern?
What's the process like for sig is it oa -> phone -> final?
Also has anybody done sig technical i can dm pls?
oa -> phone -> phone -> zoom -> final
for qt at least
has anyone here interviewed with radix?
anyone got any advice for market making game strategies?
the general framework for solving these games are to make a market such that you make the most money.
haha idk
hrt hit hc
anyone have any advice for jump QR phone?
hc hit hrt
I got to final round but put poker on my resume
Bro if u do
They literallly reengineer your interview
I got touched by sig lol i casually played low stakes at my school and got touched about reverse implied pot odds and some confidence intervals
citsec moves fast lol i don’t know about citadel but it has to be similar
over a week and i wouldn’t be fairhful
i did
Honestly it was fine but they will grill on resume
for intern or ng?
I don’t know why i didn’t get through i thought i did fine
lol i was kidding
i dont think they hit hc but people doom about it way too much
had an older student here that was a mentor figure in a way that interned at areowstreet
they pay great but if u don’t have advanced degree they will very likely not give u return offer
also will grill you on options if you have market making or trading competition stuff like that on your resume
like expect you to be able to recall black scholes formulas lol but he didn’t get that and he still got in so idk
definitely one of those places that aren’t a good place to join before you turn 30 because its like a mid/late stage and very academic place he says he just got lucky getting in the internship
What does this mean?
Yeah it means ur on the edge kinda
So they want u to do another phone to see if ur worthy for onsite
What does HC mean?
headcount
imc or arrowstreet 😵💫
tyy
orz
anyone done squarepoint hm round? would appreciate any insight 🙂
whats considered the best team at citadel to work for? in terms of being on the chill side and interesting work
Graduate SWE, Montreal
for qr?
arrowstreet better
for qd, i have no idea
for qt at imc vs qr at arrowstreet probably the latter
but also depends on what u actually want to do
has anyone done the imc quant trading intern process?
what's the easiest quant to get into as a qd/swe?
sig
Is imc hc full for hardware engineering amsterdam?
citadel
yea filled
citadel is filled???
no i was responding to @lucid cloak
U doomed me btw
how 😭
imc, sig, virtu
imc and sig easier bc their resume screen is less random
eta prestige is cooked
drw ~ virtu
Is it not in Dec
what about for experienced hire? i work on capital markets rn
no clue
this is for intern
imc and sig new grad seem ez too, idt virtu hires external new grads
is there like a list similar to nc150 but for quantdev/sd?
thats more along the lines of what would be asked for these firms
SIG is really orz idk what ur talking ab
so like how do these wankers prepare
cause for shit like meta i can just grind meta tagged
idk how to prep for those cancer cit quesitons
the oas have been heavy lc gotcha shit tho, i guess the actual interviews arent as much
bro how what's ur gpa
Yeah because I’m ur mom
can anyone give me some info on PDT Partners. Heard it’s a top tier quant but how is it in terms of comp, culture etc
virtu is pure rng resume screen, drw seems to be rng
currently working at meta as an MLE, just graduated in june would like to maybe go for HRT algo dev campus hire. thoughts?
currently doing infra + some model training but I have the ability to pick my own projects kinda
what direction should I move in?
or maybe hrt algo dev experienced hire? idk how hard that is
Do I have a chance if go to no name school with non-tech internship? Looking for graduate trader role
why not to try to apply
I only pass rng screens
Move to HRT as an algo dev duh
i mean if u include hte niche no name ones
all of those (ctc, wolverine, valkeyrie, etc.)
- sig swe is by far the easiest name quant
way easier than imc since sig doesnt care about tech (most of their swes are drexel) whereas imc's edge is latency
bc i would have to prep for interviews
I don’t wanna waste a bunch of time if I don’t have a chance
lol true
imc interviews are weirdly easy too
i’m not sure how they get good swe talent if their interviews are that free
If you are going to prepare from scratch, then you are not making it
i think the idea is the question is constant but the grade intensely
bc their ng interviews are the same as intern too
they have a 50% SWE RO rate for a reason
I meant like ML work, infra, retrieval, ranking, etc
oh wtf
btw do you know what js swe ro rate is
i've heard 7/10-8/10 or so
dawg u don’t know me lmao
Then stfu and apply
statistically you're likely to get it
if you get them
i mean niche quants cant make their interviews harder than the name brand ones or their offer conversion rate will ne like 10%
they dont have capacity to interview like that
Have you done a class on hpc where you learned like mpi and stuff
unicorns can make their interviews harder than big tech because ppl will turn down big tech for unicorns
even tho they're smaller
so that's sort of the exception
exactly, I don’t wanna prep for interviews in advance if i have no chance
to even get one
is there other programs like citadel NXT
no
idt we even have a hpc class
what’s mpi
Message passing interface I think
what school are you at?
mpi is used for distributed computing
parallel computing, large datacenters, etc.
is that really a HPC topic?
turing 
orzzz
ut
Does anyone know how much Marshall Wace pays NG in NYC? Curious since I can't find anything online.
For SWE
can you apply to both c++ and py for akuna?
no
275ish ive heard from my friend who interned
i could be misremembering
oh dang, dyk how much they pay intern?
iirc on the order of $70/hr
i dont really remember tho i might be hallucinating
for SWE or QT/QR?
Got bloomberg tomorrow, no clue how this is going to go down
parallel computing is a subset of hpc
phone or final? (SWE?)
do u remember what he thought abt the internship? just curious
thought it was a great place to work
great pay cushy perks good culture
i don’t remember more
thank u, appreciate it
GTS
Good small firms would prefer someone with trading experience, a big firm or big tech company can afford to train you
pay is shit though
got rejected Marshall Wace
apparently I was too interested in quant dev, not general enough lol
Don’t they want specialists? Or do they just hate talent?
Doesn’t that just mean they don’t do quant dev internships
Or am I mis interpreting
Anyone know if DRW QR challenge is auto?
Got rejected by the rest of the HFT world after finals, MW was the last one left
ive never heard of mw
this is what happened during my citadel leadership calls
unofficially
but yeah gotta be careful about that
Yeah ik MW isn't HFT, but some of their teams are HFT adjacent
They still collocate their data centers and execute their trades similarly, just with some positional perspective rather than just trading against the spread
Why's homie clowning lmao 😂
Ever since he got belvedere he got a crazy ego
dont let him bully you bro. Marshall Mathers Trading is a top firm
Fine i fixed
Would you guys reckon OS/Computer Networks/ DBMS are the only topics you need to be strong other than the technical skills to make it in quant ? (SWE)
depends on what you want to do; often times there's flexibility in whats asked, especially if team matching is pre-offer
Can I get an example ?
sorry he said no
I haven’t taken OS yet but I want to learn the stuff before next recruiting season but next semester I’m doing an off season internship, what’s the best book to learn the important stuff
@terse barn
ostep
ostep is all the OS u need for any systems swe intern at like any company
unless it’s a cracked startup
Can u send a link
if u don’t want to learn this stuff there’s like at least 4 big firms that don’t ask it at all
Ur the best
So are they just like purely technical and what are those firms ?
Yes
Citadel, JS, 5rings, anyone else
ig CitSec makes 4
literally just implementation or leetcode
whats the best way to prep for 2sig behavioral, seems like everyone gets rej here
how do u pass 2sig resume screen 
how to pass sig resume screen 
how to pass drw resume screen 
how to pass ctc resume screen 
lie
Has anyone done the first JS phone screen?
thoughts on Marshall wace vs meta? Both swe. Wanna try quant but kinda scared of getting silo’d into finance if mw isn’t recognized by tech companies
yeah just swe
i'd prolly go meta
quant is glorified imo a lot of firms attract ppl with crazy intern pay but then NG is mediocre, especially for NYC
also the experience you gain is completely irrelevant for tech jobs
yeah the new grad pay is like mid 200s but idk what growth looks like from there
you're also a second class citizen at firms like mw so i'd keep that in mind
if you want to try it though i don't think it's a bad decision per se
just less optimal than meta
if you want to try quant later down the line, ads team at meta would be really good for instance
what u think about meta vs ctc? cuz i think marshall wace is like same tier ngl
i rlly want nyc but pretty confident i can just switch to meta nyc
but the unknown factor sucks
W
not anymore unf
might not be so certain this year
Wym
i think most of the summer interns not in nyc are waiting to hear if they can switch to nyc for ng
yeah living in menlo is wack
millenium giving out swe offers alr?
300k return
what r the mickest quant processes
I would genuinely hella fw metereology qyuant
ts sounds so fye
im ngmi for res screen
i think
thats acc so dirsrespectful its crazy
thats actually the worst shit ive heard in my life
naur
I need it BADLY
I like beautiful women who are tall
french + dagestani
larp??
i dont look african
play wit da O yo ass get killed
fuck tune
guys should I take networks or OS
did u end up getting millennium?
Anyone done quant research interview at imc ?
lol someone
LOL
yeah
they had a great experience
learned a lot of meteorology related data science
works at NASA now
that was real?
Anyone done imc hr interview
Is it worth to do a masters at top Cs school (e.g uiuc) to be target for quant?
depends what your other option is
if you can go to FAANG probably just dont do it
take meta and dont do a masters
ur interested in working on crud dashboards for longer hours and on a worse codebase?
pay makes sense, idk abt the rest
nah
i've worked in big tech and quant
quant isn't interesting or more fun
it just pays more
did u intern there before alr
it pays more
unofrtunate
honestly, you can p easily go from meta --> citadel
a lot of ppl on my team at citadel were meta
idt it's worth paying 50-100k for a masters
idk. maybe?
@zenith panther how are you eternally on this LMFAO
i have no life 💀
also i looked at my algos hw
and it looked easy
so i figure i can procrastinate
Google and Roblox
Google was significantly better.
◾
ngl roblox --> quant is big pipeline for some reason
my interview wasn't even LC 💀
yeah I think quant firms no longer ask hard algo
unless you do like algo dev
can't pass cit OA for my life 😭
`omg forces
orz-est graph of all time tbh
do u feel bad about yourself or something 💀
why you hating

what did i do to you besides tell u that swe is pain
friend had 11 rounds at cit for internship position 🫣

i might do cf again bc im in japan rn
why would i do more cf to reach my potential
cf is like a hobby you do on the side
? they dont expect you to solve it
I mean I think by default it's never bad to ask js to expedite?
they might/might not but it's not gonna hurt ur chance
if you got a ddl you got a ddl
💀
can’t do cf when there is 1 div1 every 1000 years now 😔
ngl u probably just didn't speak very well
i got 3 easies and 1 medium
💀
yeah.
don't have datapoints myself on this, but friend heard rejection pretty quick
that's probably it
I mean they prob have to coordinate to fly you out for onsite right
so reasonable if they take longer
i got asked a problem that basically went down to 4D DP (i had a 3D solve but its more annoying)
but i still passed even tho i didnt finish impl
bcz i spoke decnetly ig
uhhhh when's your ddl
if it's within a week then tell them to hurry up
whether you expedite this is not gonna change whether you pass the round
LMFAOOOO
hmm yeah rush js then
a week is very long for a firm imo
everywhere else I hear back like within the week
you can say it's luck. i think it's just bcz communication skills.
but ig their intern onsite visit day is coming up so maybe recruiters are busy planning
for interns with offers
the point of coding interviews aren't to flex how good you are at solving problems
tragedy
they're there to see how well you can convey your thought process to a cowoerker
it's okay im so washed its over anyway
agreed
Hello
if you can communicate well then they will more than likely help you out when you get stuck a little on algo
how tough was final
same as phone?
algo wise or design wise
oh wow
orzorz
making to final
see this year you make final, next year you get ng offer
it's okay

pro strat - join a startup so you get matched to the only team
man got rng diffed by hotel room
issok
the next chunk you explore in life might just be a quad witch hut
remember to shut your lights
.

Ik some ppl that got JS ng
One was prev QS @ Shaw and one was prev stripe
@low vault can we dm ab smth
.
surely you take ro over js
.
there is AGC coming up in 2 weeks and itll be a good time for u
wait are you above 2000? cuz they recently changed AGC lower bound
Yeah o just hit 2k xd
But I usually touch grass on weekends so doing atcoder is still pretty inconvenient
Next year cos uw
I’m so washed
Yeah I will after internship is done
probably taking notes on ur interview, something like 50% of interviewers i’ve had at any company have explicitly said “don’t worry if you see me typing or writing, i’m just taking notes”
im decent with systems
its not like my #1 tho
but i think it's probably what i want to go into for work
designing data intensive applications
Anyone know anything about Optiver Trading Operations Analyst intern role
wondering same
same got the oa
How so
orz orz
js final is crazy
offer
if you’re failing then i’m actually cooked lmao
Does anyone know anything about Trading @ BP (Commodity trading like energy/gas) and whether it can help break into traditional quant roles. Or would taking something like SWE @ chick Fil A or amazon help more
how long to hear back from cubist after oa?
which team? was this research technologies
recruiter sent me scheduling form for phone 1 day after OA, but then just kept ghosting me and still hasnt scheduled it
anyone know what to expect for voleon phone for swe?
yes, after 100 on oa
What list did u even find this on 😅
orz
im curious how you did it that way but I think it's nontrivial
||the string induced by dfs on each node is a subarray of dfs(1), so it's sufficient to check whether the range [l, r] is a palindrome, which can be found by checking the middle of the range in the manachers array||
wひchI feel like is motivated by ||euler tours||
yeah I can see that too
I was thinking of hashing originally asw
yeah it doesn't exactly match ET array indices (depends on how you do it) but the ideas are similar imo
has anyone done imc qt intern hr interview yet
How would u rec starting cf
companies be having random ass offices in real cities but you can't work there unless you're on the desk kinda sucks
Core dev roles all in just nyc/chicago/miami
Tower got a Charleston office would love to transfer there when I'm like 30 and have a wife
don't even know what's there lol
just know that we have it and there's like 20 or 30 ppl there max
Someone’s gotta do it 🤷
Is it not on levels
levels for small companies is pretty shite
Has anyone ever done anything similar to this, a virtual finance experience? If so what did you do in it and how can I best prepare?
im just curious how their marble system works really
already have a general swe offer which im much more inclined for wlb wise
so not sure if its worth continuing the process unless its a significant bump
Anyone know if Old Mission Junior Quant Trader - Micro-internship OA is auto or not?
auto
learn basic dsa first on leetcode, then start doing CF
you can start with a division 4 contest virtual participation
Rn I can do most questions like n250
im gonna assume that means neetcode 250 or something
if you're familiar with dsa, you can really just start rn
cf is a different experience than leetcode
less straightforward, you need to interpret the problem statement
Gotcha and ur saying I should still sign up for division 4 ?
div 4 is the most straightfoward and intended for beginners
has blackedge ever done off-season in the history of black edging or am i cooked
brio
I’m just like trash lol
Did anyone get call from fidelity for Quant researcher?
Is there a neetcode equivalent like an essential problem list for cf?
There's a bunch of "classical problems" that some problems simplify to, but there's no definitive list
Where can I find those classical problems
There isn't a definitive list
Just do virtual contests and solve problems and you'll kinda get a vibe for it
I’m doing cses
I guess start with that
Oh I think I’ve heard of that, I’ll check it out
Thanks
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Try the ladders out too, the cses problem are more algorithm based then the ABC problems in contests
Thanks!
yeah you fell off so hard
Takes one to know
do u really need usamo for quant ; ( am i cooked if i only can do one question on those tests?
~1/3
No ofc not I also suck at that stuff and did pretty good in interviews
Trading is about other things than rigorously solving Olympiad problems
has anyone try to push Cit to fall, for swe?
Are citadel and citsec recruiting processes for swe independent after leadership rounds? As in do the recruiters call separately to give results?
How was the interviews
no.
is citadel hc
nah just got VO scheduled toaey
Sorry to keep asking but Does anyone know how long it takes to hear back aftef 2 sig final?
in terms of comp growth and ceiling
yea - tyty
are the questions similar in difficulty to the phone screen
bc that was lowkey an easy medium
Yeah I imagine the churn through a lot as well
Anyone done imc qt intern super day
anyone solve the js monthly puzzle
can someone send me thier resume template for SDE role fresher
@lime zealot i saw u went through voleon swe process -- do u mind giving any tips for the process or things to expect? i ahve my phone in a few days
It’s standard
I NEED cit fall
get a headhunter to refer you
Cit does
tyty, I've heard mixed opinions though, some say it's not actually that bad vs your friend's story
were they a dev or QR ?
thanks for insight !
mind if I DM you ?
HRT
my concern w HRT though is that they’re an order of magnitude bigger than the other firms mentioned
u will get asked
has to do with impelmentation of ds, heaps etc
optimization
maybe the IO part of it i think besides that no?
it will be that or IPC
are you/were you there ? can I DM you?
yeah and impact, less greenfield stuff where I get to witness the design of stuff firsthand versus making improvements to existing systems
admiteddly the improvements will probably be more deep and technical than a greenfield project but as a new grad I would want to have a bigger picture understanding of things and specialize later
I'm not sure if this judgement is accurate
no
i just speculate
im still trying to get ino the industry
i just think HRT is the most well rsepcted
Hmm I work at HRT I’d say there are plenty of new projects you can do with good design
The benefit is that since there are more ish people around you get more experience and mentorship from them vs smaller companies where people can kinda make things up
So I don’t know if your assessment is entirely accurate
(And also citadel is definitely the biggest company on your list)
thanks ! could I DM you by chance with some more questions ?
go ahead
Wecu orz
Wecu orz
Lil bro trying to act like he isn't incoming radix intern
fair enough, i think all the firms i listed are respected enough though, and it’s not really a factor imo
Any downside to scheduling my JS qt intern interview like 3 weeks from now
I'm worried about headcount but a friend told me headcount isn't a thing for qt?
yeah basically no they'll still interview u
but the bar might be way higher?? idk
Anyone know if Cit looks negatively on you doing onsite not in person?
I have mobility issues so might be difficult for me to get to nyc
i thought cit was virtual onsite
i think if you say that to them then i really don't think they'd judge you for it
but regardless, if they provide you with the choice of a virtual onsite then I think they'll be indifferent to you picking it
Ye this will happen
One thing to consider is an onsite means they have invested more resources into you + you meet people so you might get more leeway if they like you
This is citadel, they're huge so I'd doubt it'd have any effect
Not a startup of 20 people
Citadel will throw away 20,000 dollars if it means they can do less work
I don't think it would make any difference at all you going over there vs. not when it comes to your actual result
They're not going to feel sunken cost for an on-site day, given they're willing to pay people $25k per referral
they're made of money 🫠
has anyone done optiver oa
Freshman student, roadmap to quant swe?
i ask because:
- highest paid SWEs
- feel that theyre less likely to be replaced because more skilled than FAANG
ive been told i need to learn cs fundamentals well and this should cover it: https://teachyourselfcs.com/
would like to hear your thoughts, any resource greatly appreciated
for now im going to look through a lot of quant swe job listings and see the type of things they want. ive also seem some videos on youtube, namely by codingjesus
my aim for year 1 is getting good at dsa (namely leetcode). in the future ive heard i need to get good at understanding operating systems, c++, distributed systems, networks etc
thanks. what is cscd btw?
oh i see
thank you
i'm not aware of the different types. i do know about the distinction between qt and quant swe though
i've never heard web dev for quant. i'm interested in distributed systems
i know
i understand
the thing with this is that if my goal is being an swe then why not aim for the highest. in terms of skill level
- quant swe
- faang swe
....
hence im asking what differentiates quant from faang and if there are any roadmaps to the former
this has been my understanding as well but please educate me
im talking new grad
Oh for distributed @rocky crater actually is EM for distributed systems at his own startup, he can help hire you to his company 🙏🙏
hedge funds run more lean so they're less of a "bullshit job" to me
i think this is going besides the main point
you can apply this reasoning to anything and you dont get very far
get gud with math
stats
needed for swe? i may be wrong but thats only needed for financial site. regardless im aiming to double major math and cs
if you're a ml swe it does matter
direction still helps
oh for sure
im asking what those skills are
i could say i like making react webapps but i dont think its going to get me very far (i dont)
i agree w/ fraud here
i don't think it makes sense to optimize for money at the highest levels unless you really have no preferences for anything
for ex the vast majority of quant firms are in nyc or chicago
tbh. qswe doesn't have the highest skill level.
what if u don't like being in a big city
what if u don't like working in smaller teams, what if u don't like the lack of stability, what if you don't like the longer hours, etc.
idc for any of that im just asking what differentiates the two. even if i learn what is needed to get into quant but dont get quant thats still fine. the assumption being made here is quant swes are more skilled than faang
besides the point
i genuinely think this is a naive take wdym you don't care for any of that; you have no preferences for anything? not the city you live in, not your work-life balance, not your org, nothing?
i think youre minsunderstanding
i dont necessarily want to be a quant swe. im a freshman, things may change by the times i graduate.
what im saying is that id like to follow some sort of roadmap of knoweldge or skillsets which current quant swes have, so by the time i graduate i know i have good market value
in that case i think fraud had the best advice, try to pick something you enjoy doing and specialize (in your case distributed) - you can build projects around that and then for interviews just do some regular LC
alright, thanks
i think the main things i will try to achieve industry-wise this year is getting good at dsa through leetcode and my school dsa course, and starting to read DDIA
you could definitely try to take the traditional path of like "random company freshman program" fresh -> big tech/unicorn soph -> quant junior etc. and see what you like the most
and a project or two
yeah i think this is the best thing u can do
Guys what’s the best way to prep for QR interview/can anyone suggest some good resources
do yall know why millennium swe tc (200k) is like WAY lower than other trading companies, like ts and drw are like 350 tc standard right?
is this kinda weird? like i feel like millennium is talked p highly of? but how can they attract top talent by paying so little
Probably because it’s less competitive and their revenue per head is lower but idk
That would be my guess
are they rlly less competitive than like normal trading companies like idk
akuna
or ctc or belv or transmarket groups or something
cuz their tc is still a tier below those types of companies
Probably less than akuna, idk about the other ones
but then by that logic why doesnt like drw pay 200k given they dont need top level swes too
why would they not be,
ig two sigma and millennium are more comparable
but my point still stands? like swes arent there to make money for either company
theyre to help traders make money
but also compared to other multi-strategy hedge funds they pay weirdly low?
im still kinda confused then, like millennium swes also derive an edge from having good engineering talent? like i am assuming their swes dont just work on slack
i guess millennium pay might derive from the pnl of that portfolio manager?
but millennium does seem to always have high pnl in the news, and they manage a large amount of money as well
so it seems weird that they seem successful in finance news, but pay extremely poorly
what about in comparison to other hedge funds
this does make sense thanks
was just incredibly confused about the pay disparity between QRs and SWEs @ mlp as well as SWEs to other hedge funds/trading companies in general
it must then logically follow that because they pay less, they dont attract top talent, one important thing to consider before i interview i guess
tbf drw doesn't do much hft
also d e shaw pays their swes a lot, they don't do hft either 🙃
bc they're not a trading shop
they're a fund
different strats
as an engineer you'll always be closer to the money particularly for latency sensitive strats
as a swe at a fund you're probably going to spend a significant amount of time developing tooling and whatnot rather than anything that directly contributes to revenue generation
on the other hand if you're on a systematic hft desk, then shaving off nanos by improving execution for instance will directly lead to revenue increase
this is true to an extent, but it's mostly just bc they don't need top talent
you don't need exceptional people to be a dashboard monkey, so it's not worth for them to outbid other firms to get it
as a swe and not qr or qt or any other role would u say mlp is kinda bottom tier for that exact reason then?
like akuna > mlp or sig > mlp?
its not really hft but options market making is always going to require more tech investment than whatever mid-freq alphas millenium is capturing
oh fair
yeah i can def see that
but wouldnt call them an HFT firm lol
they just do a lot of stuff, but vibe i got is that it's still mostly a market maker
fwiw their biggest omm desk does not consider itself hft
hm
idrk the difference between these terms
in my mind HFT -> very systematic
dude at drw said that most desks are still decentlt manual
and it's transitioning to being more semi systematic
Does 2S reject after passing hiring committee? 🙂
recruiter is working with me due to deadline, so I hope this isnt the case haha
but good to know tyyyy
is anyone in imc quant intern interview process
oh dam
holy shit nobody here as any idea what theyre talking about looool
drw is not hft
anyways fuck cubist
it isnt?
idk what drw does
but arent they pod based
so id imagine they might have some hft
o there was a bunch of context
ew
can i dm u abt the final behavioral lol (i have it soon)
I have an upcoming interview at Radix. I wanted to connect with someone. Can someone help?
anyone done arrowstreet qd intern final
Yes
Timeline was a week but I asked for expedite bc I have offer
I think so? Not really sure but I’m pretty sure
The end process is so confusing
Yes
Also you can dm
whend u do hm round?
last wk
had first 2 rounds of my final today
next 2 on thursday
i thought it was gonna be all behavioral
but one of my rounds was system design lol
sure
does any1 have a good data point on what 5rs ng swe tc is?
is it worth to renege akuna swe intern for 2sig swe intern?
isnt that like 2x pay
i think for 2x def worth doing lol
gotta pray a shared blacklist doesnt exist lol
can I dm?
Yes
anyone get old mission qt intern oa
why do these goddamn oas come when i have the most work due for school
geeg
Anyone did IMC trader NG interview plz dm
Anyone do garda capital swe first round?
there are plenty of lower paying companies
GTS
anyone know how long it takes to hear back after akuna trader final
I thought tower was good
thought they already reached hc
nah i did final on monday
yup
There might be swe positions on the large teams that pay better, idk
oh huh
thats like barely above tech rye
so tech will prob pay more in the lon run
i guess there really are only like
a few firms that pay crazy
Anyone hear back from Maven for graduate trader?
I am
Anyone here get an offer for GS Quant Engineer internship? Or has already done that internship in the past?
can i dm abt akuna?
Anyone know what Jane Street ng swe offer is?
I'm seeing 250+200+100 and 300+150+175 on levels.fyi and both look kind of legit
hmm interesting
seems offers mostly have a guaranteed first year bonus
Does anyone know if what the normal bonus range is, if the guarantee is just to be seen as a lower bound? At quant firms
Assuming an entire year before the 1st bonus
i can dm if u want?
A few days
But you might have to spam them
ye
r u being srs
Yes
I didn’t need to do this
Im cooked
TCcapped 😞
happens sometimes
i get the impression that their HR is overworked/disorganized
they mix up random details sometimes
and one of my friends did not get follow-ups properly
(though I did)
also they don't reject which is dumb
I had to ask for them to tell me that I got rejected
heh
can i dm which recruiter you had?
my recruiter was not like this but do not dm and i had different people
maybe it's just that one recruiter?
that guy earlier was talking sbt qt btw
not qd
but yeah my recruiter scheduled smth 16 hours in advance and the guy didnt even know he was interviewing me
sheesh how does it scale after that?
why not
i think it is pretty cooked
Anyone interviewed at Chicago trading company?
Metaprogramming is really important for some places
I got hella cooked by one cause I had no clue how to do it
lulw
ur done w cubist process right; can i dm u or r no, no worries either way
do quant swes generally have a problem with fall graduates? like r there any firms that only onboard ng in may
Can someone dm me an invite to a quant specific discord if there’s any
Anyone know what to expect from a group mock trading interview?
That is depressing as well
this explains why people at large firms are quite mid
I have heard that even for QRs, the comp growth is slow as the firm is already structured. However QRs have 2x start comp, so even comp growth is slow they still have 2x comp
Only way to make $ seems to be 1. be equity partner and own some profits 2. be PM at pod firm that give pnl cut
QRs can get profit sharing from their strats though so you can make a lot of money from
that if ur rlly successful
can anyone recommend a site like open quant or a book to best practice game theory and open ended problems for jane street intern trading
Planning to do it in Python, never used C++
What's mts?
The first technical round won't be as focused on systems, no? More DSA?
Anyone here done any QR interviews?
Any recs on how to study or prep?
Also, I want to do some practice problems for QR stats/ML stuff but can't find any
Know anything abt DRW?
Yes. I think this is how people make partner in firms
definitely you should know type traits at least
and know that template metaprogramming fucking sucks and concepts in c++20 make it a lot better
I think initializer lists are worthwile to know as well
If making 500k a year is not $ enough for you you're actually insane
500k is not $ bro it’s $$$
lmao its funny cause its in response to someone saying they’re not going to making 7 figures as a swe before 10 years of work
bro mad he’s not making 7figs before he turns 30 lmao, what is your goal in life
How did you get this info
"only 800k" 💀
Considering that Cit is 34 yrs old, SIG is 37 yrs and HRT 22 yrs, if you join hrt right now, HRT will be as old as the other firm when you are 10yrs in, and 5-6 will not be enough
Third, don’t be mediocre. We are all very outstanding among the students. But I want to say that in society, we should set higher standards. I have seen a lot of college students and colleagues who work together, and there are a lot of very good people who are better at technology and performance than me. But 10 years later, many people didn’t live up to my expectations: I thought they could have done well, but they didn’t.
Many people don’t set up challenging goals after they graduate. I looked back and found that some former colleagues worked for banks. Some joined banks directly after graduation, and some worked for a while before working for banks. Why do I connect this with “not being mediocre”? Because many of them joined banks to get a Beijing household registration, or because the banks had housing subsidy or provided affordable housing at the time.
If you are unwilling to be mediocre and want to perform well, will these things really worry you? Do you really need a Beijing household registration and a house in Beijing? If graduates set their goals as buying a two-bedroom house in Beijing and spend all their energy on it, their work will suffer.
Their behavior will change and they will not take risks. One friend did part-time jobs in his spare time to earn some money. Those part-time jobs didn’t require too much skill, but they affected his career development and mental state. I asked him why, and he said, “Well, to cover the down payment.” It seems he earns money, but he’s actually losing.
It’s important not to be mediocre. Mediocrity is not about a high salary or good technology, but having high demands for yourself. You may develop slowly in the first two years, but it will be very different in 10 years.
https://medium.com/@pandaily/zhang-yiming-5-common-characteristics-of-outstanding-youth-b1f99fde30f8
and working for 1mil/(your annual salary) years is enough to comfortably get thru that man
there's some gambling addiction in successful trading
it is not much about how much money is enough, but the rush will require some money
what kind of questions are asked in Morgan Stanley Alphawise Quant summer intern OA?
Any place where I can practice market making games that come up in interviews? I got cit sec first round coming up. Would be grateful for any pointers
i agree that like the best way to be stupid rich is thru finance but like most ppl don't have that goal. and like the money in SWE is more more than enough to live a great lfiestyle
and most ppl here would choose the latter
Most people were not born as king of england, and they didn't "choose" it that way
Thanks bro but this is for trading. any pointers on that
Did anyone interview with Apple? Wanted to know what each rounds would be? Do they ask LC tagged questions?
Do you know if they ask like LC tagged questions?
Cool
this is a bot bro this server is cooked
hey guys im a current sophomore interested in quantitative finance. I currently have skills in react and aws, and wanted to know if you have any courses or bootcamps you would recommend to break in to quant. Do I need to know c++?
Nah Srs dude Do I need to know C++
What’s that
typescript will be rly helpful
and excel
this will not last lmfao ur tripping if u think that the complexity of IB / PE warrants the salary they get and if u think GS or any BB bank isn't privy to this ur insane
I have an offer w them its completely variable on team
but the skills required in pe are completely different and if you like stem problem solving its not a good fit
Is IMC good at fpga? Got interview for
the skills needed in PE are memorizing basic finance concepts, how to add, multiply, divide, and subtract, and how to do MS powerpoint...
its quite literally the most GPTable career
ever
yeah so it probably won't be intellectually stimulating right
i mean maybe and listen u can prob make a shit ton of money but at the end of the day if ur thinking about the future what is the complexity in QR vs PE
Its not even comparable
Im not saying PE is a bad career path btw
Dont listen to this as some advice to go xyz direction because imo I honestly believe QR is harder to get than PE
Infinitely more difficult
I was fpga lol so idk if I'll be helpful
what team wtf
How do you guys land these cpp roles- I started ft with java and I wana switch
did anyone do the five rings final plz dm
Do u have final for swe or qt
wtf 😹
what's the chance there will be an SEC law that can destroy a quant world
bro wtf is this shit
!ban @scenic fable nsfw
Banned binjino_42651
LMAO
C-suite is also still no power the real power is of religious miracle or life and death
even legal change relies on the force of someone else’s gun
Please remember that these small people like Bill Gates, Zuckerface, and Bezos are entirely dependent men. They can’t really do with their wealth what you think they can…for example, they could never just kill a man and take his wife, but even the ruler of the smallest African country has this power, this true wealth.
In a world where the skills of those associates are manipulating an excel spreadsheet and making a powerpoint why would a 600k salary even be given lmfao in the future these positions are cooked asf MDs will c the power LLMs have and ask themselves if they could reasonably just axe 80% HC of an incoming junior class of hires
✍️ ✍️ ✍️
Sweatshop. 0 learning, 0 career growth. All you get is Apple on resume. IS&T is Apple but NOT 🍎 😭. Coming from someone who has a friend working there. Stay the fk away unless you want to hate work and your life.
a job where you learn stuff is a + signal
just join a terrorist org atp
not that hard and you get power 🔥
nlm has a few spots open
If I see interviewer name (SDA)
Does that mean it’s going to be a system design interview?
Or Statistical Data Analysis?
it is
whats headlands general wlb , comp, and prestige?
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is js qt intern 2 or 3 rounds before superday?
yes ?
I think that was nsfw
What was?
The picture from southkrvv
I'm blind ASF
He got banned.my.bad
Picture was glitched on my app I had to refresh
Both
so like performance dependent?
Anyone finished cubist (quant dev academy) first 2 tech rounds? wondering how long it took to hear back
are u sure? i didn't get it and im citizen lol
i feel like it’s more of a correlation then causation
there’s this dude going to 5r next summer who allegedly was ranked 1 at clash royale at some point lol
still def wouldn’t hurt to have on resume tho, esp for trading
also, genuine question, why are you trying to make that switch?
I am an Indian developer (2024 batch) and have experience with fullstack development and machine learning and interested in switching to the quant technical sector...any guidance is appreciated
who lol
MOHAMMED LIGHT 5R??!!!?!?!!?!?!?
probably passed the interview on an alt too
??
idk apply to optiver i heard they take indian intls
Oh I see
@low vault But first of all where should I learn the necessary knowledge ??
Tutorials ? Books ?? You tube videos ? Course ?
Yes
It’s not really maintained that well as far as I can tell but you can just check the companies pages directly
i mean it's not like there's a specific technical background you have to be or trading firms. Research is good, contests is good, math is good, etc.
expected SWE experience can leans towards systems programming (e.g. C/C++) but there isn't anything specific
ye
anyone done a Trading desk operations intern final with jane street?
Hey, how did this go?
Hi, does citadel care about gpa? Got an interview invite but my gpa is not high. Is it worth going through the process?
AFAIK they do but I’m not a reliable source
i got cooked by qt intern r1 feel free to do
you already got it
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unless they do like stack rank at end or smth
but even then just go for it
in this market don’t be turning down interviews lmao
has anyone here done akuna trading intern final round
What does this mean?
anyone know if 5r will match internship
Anyone taken IMC qt intern final?
Anyone have advice for CTC QTA final new grad?
Is it confirmed optiver resume screens after phone?
does js trader bar increase a lot the later you recruit?
maybe at superday
can i ask how long after 1st technical did you hear back
Anyone taken IMC qt intern final?
the lurker reveals
any advice on how to prep for jane street swe interviews?
anyone know if any companies still hiring traders for this cycle
cit was as of a few days ago
Like sending out first round interviews?
ya they sent a general email asking to apply by nov 4th (not reachout, just a generic thing)
so theyre probably still open?
any advice for jane street tdoe onsite?

