quants-n-traders

[dusty pollen]

yeah i want to prep a little but i heard it's just basic math stuff

what r u using for brainteaser prep

[low vault]

gg i got destroyed by zap-n

sob

[dusty pollen]

Yeah, for Quant Dev

But i think the easyhire is the same for both qt and qd, not 100% tho

[low vault]

well for starters

I thought one of the games was a timed puzzle instead of a optimization one

and didnt realize until halfway in

no the balloon one

whats the figure it out

oh wait

ohhhh

okay no i didn't do toooo bad on that one

but im also pre sure that i got mid on the reaction time

cos im like

median reaction time

i think i only really did well on the skyscrapes

ah

if they weight more on the coding and knowledge portion i think im good

if you are curious I DM'd you the number

[candid tulip]

how is akuna round 2 oa for trader? is it one lc hard like last year?

[hybrid hamlet]

Anyone in akuna 201?

[lavish marten]

anyone take akuna quant easyhire?

never seen this platform before

@hybrid hamlet ?

[hybrid hamlet]

Nah haven’t applied to their qt yet

[lavish marten]

@coarse yew @dusty pollen yall do the easy hire yet

like what even is this platform, AI interviewing? how tf

[dusty pollen]

Not yet

I'm assuming it's similar to hirevue but i'm trying to get more info before taking it

[lavish marten]

i mean

is it behavioral

idk how u could do anything besides behavioral w/ ai

[brisk nova]

optinomicon just fucked me in the ass

[solar drum]

isn't optinomicon the first round game

it is not a part of the oa

[brisk nova]

yes

[velvet osprey]

did u do anything else other than optinomicon?

[fossil willow]

Me me me

[vocal drift]

got rejected in a day 💀

[deep cargo]

Same

JS 👻

[neon mirage]

SWE NG?

[zenith panther]

JS is usually hella fast

[deep cargo]

Intern

[deep cargo]

I’m cooked

[rose holly]

Anyone know how long it takes to hear back after hrt oa

Usually if it's over a week wait there's a good chance for interview

[fervent bolt]

How does that make sense

[zenith panther]

every time i applied to js i got rejd day after

[vocal drift]

did anyone hear back from sig for qt intern? applied a while ago but didnt get an update

[kindred basin]

hrt open????

nothing back from drw

[open cedar]

When did you do phone

[young nimbus]

hey I figured you guys all know C/C++, can someone help me out with a quickish bug

It has to do with a test I wrote and null ptrs, thanks.

[open cedar]

When did you get invite? I got mine last Thursday

[zinc dagger]

anyone taken imc OA yet

do yk any concepts to focus on

for review

[fervent bolt]

Yeah same but I think they changed this year. I've been ghosted for a week but other people already have 2nd rounds

Anyone hear back after doing both akuna oas ?

[lavish marten]

which

[fervent bolt]

Python

But just in general because the timelines are prolly around the same even for qt

[lavish marten]

i got rej from both after 100

they actually scan ur resume after u finish both rounds

so it may take longer

[fervent bolt]

How long did it take?

Damn bruh wtf are they looking for

[kindred basin]

G_G

how long to fget second round

[fervent bolt]

I thought it was almost lock if u passed the swe oas since they arent easies but idk ig

[fervent bolt]

Got it next morning after finishing the first

[fervent bolt]

Maybe its also cuz ur only supposed to apply to one role

[lavish marten]

nah

[fervent bolt]

@lavish marten

[lavish marten]

i know lol

[fervent bolt]

Is it fake?

[lavish marten]

no

they just dont keep track until later

[fervent bolt]

Damn

How long did it take for u to hear back?

[lethal cape]

Start leetmaxing it’s over bro

Jk you’ll be alright

[undone rose]

has anyone interviewd for five rings micro trading internship before?

yeah

[dusty pollen]

have ppl with perfect citadel swe oa been getting rejected?

fuck

[lavish marten]

@rose holly

[pulsar scarab]

yea a lot, they usually screen the resume after the OA

[autumn remnant]

boys how do i get into quant

[queen sorrel]

You go back in time and get USAMO, Usapho, Uscao plat and IOi gold

[autumn remnant]

i want to just know the type of questions they ask at the interviews...

anyone in here made it into quant ?

[lavish marten]

anyone have any networking references/

[vocal drift]

its the tool optiver uses for their interviews

[low vault]

Man already did his phone

Orz

[livid wedge]

usually they’ll get back to u same day or next day if they like u

reject in like a week

[pulsar scarab]

did they ask LC or was it behavioral?

[livid wedge]

yea last year I got my reject a week later

haven’t done the process this year yet tho

sure but I’m also doing ng this year

I did intern process last year

For ur super day they give u the reject/accept same day

Isn’t it virtual for swes now

We can talk more over dm

[deep cargo]

Tbf it seems like they are moving kind of slow this year

[raw snow]

For optiver zoom interview for quantitiave trader intern, do they asking coding, behavioral, or math questions?

[leaden panther]

Why are quant interviews so fucking hard

i can never pass them failed so many of them

[pallid forge]

at least you're getting interviews ;-;

[leaden panther]

ive gotten 4 my whole time in college

[pallid forge]

what year are you in

[leaden panther]

Going into my senior year

i think i need to stop applying to quant

[pallid forge]

thats what 99.999% of people say before they score a job

keep going pal

[leaden panther]

Idk about that

im gonna stick to capital one prob

[low vault]

Probably

15 is quite significant

[last briar]

does anyone know sig oa cutoff for trading this year?

curious cuz they changed the format of their oa this year lol

[silent night]

do you guys think ill be able to get thru trading OAs and interviews without linear algebra knowledge?

[red comet]

bro is a freshman applying

[silent night]

im not a freshman i just didnt pay attention to my lin algebra class

[vocal drift]

no i got rejected

i also applied trading to cit and they sent me a swe oa 💀

trading

[mellow kayak]

is it important to write a cover letter for trading companies?

cause they are relatively small but maybe they get a lot of apps?

[hybrid hamlet]

whats the deal with imc trading internships?

dont see em on their website

but there's a link?

[queen sorrel]

I think it’s on there website now, saw it on handshake yesterday

[red comet]

The more apps the less they gaf

[raw snow]

me lol, do they ask about higher level college math

[covert oracle]

Anyone got recommendations on how to get started in quants w/out financial literacy?

[zenith panther]

math

[dire arrow]

how up to date r u on optimal sphere packing methods?

p common interview question

[dire arrow]

anyone got exp with sig qt oa?

what can I expect here

[raw snow]

I've never heard of that lol

[dire arrow]

qt

olympiads go far considering they r relevant and u did well

the screen isnt the hard part but yes u will get past

unless ur at north dakota agriculture institute

doesnt matter that much for most

only a couple cringe firms do that

[stone cipher]

Yea plat is enough

U might not make it past at some smaller places but those dont rly matter in the long run

[dusty pollen]

anyone done optiver swe phone and no what it's like

true true

so is it just resume review + why optiver

[dire briar]

behavioral first round?

[dusty pollen]

yeah i think so that's what the email said

[quasi orbit]

dm me

[stone cipher]

Wondering the same for citsec

I don't think so

[pallid berry]

anyone know if OMC interviews is cpp only?

oa was cpp or python but not sure abt interviews

[vocal drift]

they didn’t even ask me lmao they just sent me the swe oa

[granite burrow]

how was the optiver oa?

[slate crown]

hi is there anyway i can email a sig recruiter to update my resume?

some stuff has changed since i applied when apps first dropped months ago

[tall nebula]

this happens quite often (i assume ur talking about the issue where there are no available dates)

you'll just have to refresh often

[hybrid hamlet]

anyone apply flow?

[slim tundra]

is it impossible to get into quant dev if u start late (i am second year in uwaterloo CS and have 2 mid internships under my belt)

[zenith panther]

no

[slim tundra]

cause ive been looking at reddit and these guys r talkinga bout how theses companies only take like 150 ppl a year and its the people that have bene doing comps since high school and stuff

[slim tundra]

250 per firm or in total

bruh either way that sounds impossible

taking in if ill be competing with people that have been working for this specific thing since high school

[brisk ingot]

total

maybe a tiny bit more but not much

[vocal drift]

did anyone else get a “get to know optiver’s engineering culture” email

[pallid berry]

ye i think its much closer to this number than 250

cit/citsec is ~100 itself

[brisk ingot]

talking about swe interns

no way it’s min bound of 1k

no way they have that much

less

i’m p sure

[pallid berry]

p sure optiver had 70

[brisk ingot]

unless austin had a shit ton

chicago is less than imc

[pallid berry]

that mightve been across all qt qr and swe tho

u prolly right

if ur counting akuna u gotta start counting millenium virtu belvedere

[fresh swallow]

get a GTS coop under your belt and then leverage that for an internship at a better firm

if you can't get anywhere better

they have probably 5-10 waterloo kids a year for intern/coop

[zenith panther]

wow

so these ppl must be cracked

plus there are some sophs and freshman going to these places

they gotta be different fr or smth

[brisk ingot]

yea unbelievably cracked

generationally talented some would say

[zenith panther]

frfr

[low vault]

Man knows the Waterloo strat

Do u go here

[deep cargo]

Waterloo so broken

They rejected me after the final back when I was a soph 😔

Waterloo only had 2 interviews which I passed

[deep cargo]

My firm has 10

There’s quite a few smaller firms that are not as well known in both Chicago and nyc

[low vault]

Oh ic

Shaw

[low vault]

😔

[deep cargo]

Sadge some Russian dude interrogated me on OS during the final after being 15 min late

[low vault]

LMAOOOOOO

[fresh swallow]

when was this

[raw snow]

For optiver QT intern, is it HR behavioral or technical interview with a trader first?

[brisk ingot]

10 swe interns?

seems like a lot

[deep cargo]

6

Like February 2023

[fresh swallow]

was it one of the guys that's in poland?

I only know one russian that was in nyc office at that point and he's a java dev lol

[meager saffron]

^

[fresh swallow]

low tier hft firm

[echo sundial]

nah anecdotally ik someone from uwaterloo that got a swe intern and return at a big firm without any comps and mid internships (no trading / faang / nice startups) when applying fwiw

don't loose hope 🙂

[abstract storm]

How long does Jane Street take to reply after sending resume

[proud fossil]

Took 2 days last year

[stone cipher]

I'm curious what your methodology is for these guesses

Where did they say this

[fossil willow]

Can I join ur firm 😍

[last briar]

even for qt?

[abstract storm]

longer is rejected?

[zenith panther]

they replied at ~10 am after i applied at night

they are fast

[deep cargo]

Uh oh if Wecu is my comp I’m screwed

[white flower]

yo did anyone do the algo trading interview at nbc? would really appreciate some help for the 4th round, building a backend app in java or cpp. Thnak you guys!

[deep cargo]

They took a week for me

[abstract storm]

When was that

Has anyone applied recently?

[white flower]

whats the position?

[abstract storm]

I applied to more than one

maybe I fked up

I first applied for swe and said i'm also interested in trading

I then applied for trading shortly after saying I'm deeply interested in trading

I think I can do it but I wrote too much code and am not from so prestigious school.

But I can do it

I said too much. most likely is I will not get in. so this is meaningless

well i think they reject rather quickly as well

so we will see

[deep cargo]

Fr

[white flower]

anyone?

[low vault]

i think this really depends on firm

some firms are super NY-centric

ah

so you have JS - phone before, but not able to get it again?

blobsweat about blacklist

[low vault]

i would guess that their turnover is very fast if you work at a competitor

(not strategy wise, but talent wise)

[zenith panther]

mmmm

fair enough

[low vault]

ah icic

so diff track

i didn't realized they hire sbd / etc. interns too

[minor fulcrum]

anyone have any good sources of practice questions outside greenbook

[hybrid hamlet]

which role

[stone vector]

imx OA auto me think

[vague spear]

Is it bad if imc oa is auto and I didn’t get it💀

[dire arrow]

anyone doing the virtual trading challenge @ akuna

or have done before

[analog ravine]

has anyone gotten accepted into the akuna capital virtual trading challenge?

oh lol @dire arrow i am

dm?

[dire arrow]

ye sure

[neon mirage]

What’s a respectable score for Gcf?

General coding framework?

Or general coding assessment

I forgorrr

[deep cargo]

600

[vague spear]

DId you guys already do the oa? Is it coding or math or both?

[dire arrow]

both

code implementation of a math problem

[vague spear]

Cool, thanks

[sinful kernel]

ooh what's that process like? do they ask in like technicals

is this the S&P role?

ah i see

i didnt even realize they had sales and trading 💀

[deep cargo]

yeah

[pallid berry]

inc just released external ng apps but i applied to the link that was leaked

i haven’t gotten an oa but got an invite to the candidate portal a few weeks ago

do i reapply or just wait?

[neon mirage]

Imc? Or is inc diff

[pallid berry]

Meant IMC

[neon mirage]

So the prev app was a leak link? Like the greenhouse one?

[pallid berry]

Ye I think so

[brisk ingot]

how does the cit swe intern process work this year

bc i got an additional phone after the 1st one (which normally means you did mid on the interview), but they're saying its an interview directly with gqs?

[stiff elbow]

Is imc intern out officially?

Or is only the leaked link out

[brisk ingot]

officially out

[open cedar]

holy gqs

orz

[pallid berry]

last year gqs was just another possible leadership call after onsite. thats really werid

[brisk ingot]

yea thats what i remember from last year, team matching happening afterwards

and per a recruiter a few months ago

[pulsar scarab]

What's gq?

[sinful kernel]

global quant strategies

[pallid berry]

purely systematic arm of cit

[stiff elbow]

Did it come out today?

[brisk ingot]

i think so?

they posted on linkedin abt it, but idk if it was out before or nah

like officially

[stiff elbow]

Is it bad if I missed the leaked one

[brisk ingot]

no

[broken bramble]

anyone know how many devs old mission takes each year?

[brisk ingot]

they said 10 this year

[broken bramble]

Fire thanks 🙏

[brisk ingot]

it might fluctuate up a lil, but thats their target

[broken bramble]

Gotcha yeah, honestly got the impression they’d only take 2-3 for some reason

Didn’t know if it was worth the time

[deep cargo]

hows it going

[broken bramble]

loving it so far, fire hours, sick culture, work is hella interesting

if I get the RO, i’m running with it

[deep cargo]

im jealous

[brisk ingot]

they honestly take a good amt

and avg tenure is like 4-5 years, have only fired 1 ng swe in the past few years

dope culture

[deep cargo]

did u hear this from the event

[brisk ingot]

yea

from joe + one of the swes

[deep cargo]

ru going to the poker tourney

[stiff elbow]

Does OMC have internships

[brisk ingot]

unless they like systematically rehearsed some lies, idk

[deep cargo]

winternship for trading iirc

that's it

[brisk ingot]

i wish 😭

going to lolla that day

but lowk might have time to do both

events only til 4 so i think theres time

[broken bramble]

You went to the one in NY recently?

[brisk ingot]

chicago

[deep cargo]

nah there's a chicago one

[broken bramble]

Oh gotcha

[deep cargo]

🤑

tickets were kinda expensive ngl

[brisk ingot]

i think i paid like 180ish total?

ill take it

saturday's the only good day imo

in the lineup

[deep cargo]

oh that's not bad

im shelling out a good amount of money to watch a soccer game on the 31st

[brisk ingot]

oh shit which

[deep cargo]

real madrid vs ac milan

its on the 31st

[brisk ingot]

in chicago?

wtf

[deep cargo]

yeah

soldier field

hopefully mbappe plays

[brisk ingot]

bruh thats so dope

[deep cargo]

would be sick

[brisk ingot]

i wish i saw earlier, lowk would have gone

yea hopefully

rest of the real team is insane tho

[deep cargo]

fr I hate em but they are all world class

[brisk ingot]

legit

they rebuilt the team so well after the ronaldo benzema bale days

[deep cargo]

yeah perez is a genius

even tho he's corrupt

[brisk ingot]

frrr

[deep cargo]

no

[olive kettle]

is sig oa for swe intern automated?

heard they do resume screening after

[neon mirage]

yes

[vocal drift]

do places auto reject if you failed an early round last year?

[olive kettle]

think its only if you reached final round

[pallid berry]

OMC recruiter brought up a random mc question from the oa and grilled me on it yesterday😭😭

[hybrid hamlet]

anyone do drw qt oa?

[brisk ingot]

deadass lmaooo

thats so funny

[peak vortex]

anyone take cit SWE intern superday before? would appreciate tips

[brisk ingot]

the 3x45 min interviews?

[peak vortex]

yep

[brisk ingot]

from my exp just like the first phone but 3 in a row

nothing unique about it

[peak vortex]

is it pretty hard to get rejected if you pass those?

as far as i understand you’re just interviewing for a team after the superday but you might be screwed if no one wants you

[pallid berry]

This is true

[brisk ingot]

not sure what the process is like past that, someone else can prolly help

[pallid berry]

Although from what I’ve seen there’s always one more designy type interview

[brisk ingot]

but after the onsite they might make u take an extra phone if they think ur borderline between rej and continuing

[pallid berry]

Eh I’d say 50/50

Ik multiple ppl that got rejected after onsite

[peak vortex]

ok thanks for the help, seems like i’ll just prep lc + sysdesign further. not sure about OS, everyone i’ve asked who’s made it through said there’s no need but i see it everywhere online

[pallid berry]

U could get systems related questions as follow ups or just depending on ur resume experience

Just rng

[ocean gazelle]

What is Headlands SWE NG offer this year?

[amber valley]

Some good project ideas that quant recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[bright mountain]

Oh nice thanks

I think it worked

[vague forge]

Some good project ideas that quant recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[night topaz]

Some good project ideas Jane Street recruiters wanna see on your resume:

MERN discord clone

Calculator app

Chess engine

Todo list

Tic tac toe game

Automated trading bot

[hybrid slate]

what quant servers are there?

[night topaz]

?

[night topaz]

#quants-n-traders

This is the only quant server that can get you Jane Street

[broken bramble]

fuck bro i gotta schedule that, that mcq was brutal ngl

[low vault]

How to get cit interview orz

[vague forge]

orz

[brisk ingot]

before or after team matching?

[sinful kernel]

whats qr process like? ik its team dependent

do they look for research backgrounds and top school?

[thin bramble]

yes

[twin cloud]

Some good project ideas that quant recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[vague forge]

Some good project ideas that quant recruiters have told me about:

[queen pendant]

Cit QR mainly looks for skills in analysis, especially variational calculus. I got asked to apply the mountain pass theorem to show that a generalized steady state Choquard equation with a radially symmetric generalization of the gravitational potential is solvable by a radially symmetric function.

[low vault]

Personally I got 2sum

Leadership round I’ve heard of it

Oya cit or cit sec lol

[thin bramble]

leadership is just background questions

[low vault]

oh

one of my friend said leadership is pre ez so thats why i found this kinda perturbing

[plush trout]

Hey, chat. Does anyone know any SWEs @ Jane Street? May i have their contact info to discuss with them about the interview process?

[zenith panther]

uhhh

yeah

totally

[dire arrow]

is castleton commodities a no name or a decent internship

ive never heard of it b4

but they seem to have a decent amt of somewhat cracked folk

[deep cargo]

ng?

[plush trout]

Yeah

[deep cargo]

I think it’s one extra interview for ng but I might be wrong?

[deep cargo]

Well I’ll only have one 🔥

[plush trout]

Gl champ 🫡

[dire arrow]

wondering if its just me who hasnt lul

or if its overall consensus no nam

[velvet grotto]

how was the oa?

[split lintel]

my man @lime zealot is your guy

[zenith panther]

whichever one you are more comfortable in

python if equally or looking to learn more

idk

really?

there isnt?

interesting

mm

idk

ive never interviewed with js before

🤣

[fresh swallow]

why would this problem be hard in cpp?

why? It says it is a function of type int->int

it is not too difficult to just add template <typename T> and replace any occurrence of int with T

does python have an equivalent to std::linked_list storing interators and splicing? That to me is the annoying thing about LRU problems

From context I believe they mean API in the sense that cppreference/the standard is an API, not necessarily interacting with external APIs

[deep cargo]

Ordered dictionary makes lru easier than cpp

[fresh swallow]

when I was a new grad and still had baseline competence in python I would generally default to c++ and then if I was asked a problem that's much easier solved in python I'd ask to switch, usually it was no problem

[split lintel]

@keen breach there you go

[dusty pollen]

What’s the sys design like? Is the git repo good enough for it because I saw online they emphasise networking concepts when designing the system

Gotcha

Does it go LC after phone then the sys designs for final?

[lone umbra]

anyone gotten jane street phone for qr or qt

[brisk ingot]

recruiter said they’ll let u use python for earlier rounds but atleast one at the end is c++

[deep cargo]

If ur firm is too much radix deffo is lol

In terms of WLB

[zenith panther]

idt so

at least friend had to do cpp

[brisk ingot]

nope

maybe ft is a little better, but the interns r getting cooked

even worse

damn fr?

didn’t realize

[deep cargo]

You guys are like 9-10 hrs right?

[brisk ingot]

10 is prolly the upper bound

if u count lunch out of the workday

one of the sweaty desks works 8-6:30

hardware team is goated

9-5:30

island of happiness within the cooked execution team hours

nah not a ton

[deep cargo]

🥺

[brisk ingot]

lowk

im a concepts demon tho

😂

[deep cargo]

No more enable ifs 🔥

[brisk ingot]

damn really

wouldn’t have expected that

is firefighting bad on ur team

i feel like it’s prolly a big ish deal

gotcha kk

ours is so nice bc the team is relatively big, only have to do it one week a year

[zenith panther]

amongus

[grim sigil]

yikes

that scared the heeby jeebies out of me

[chrome lichen]

yo

how was it

I got mine with the low lat guy

tmrw

[deep cargo]

Crazy 💀

[split lintel]

this is funny
i think i'll add it as an emote

[chrome lichen]

Bruh

Need alpha

[vague forge]

[fossil willow]

Wtf these hours

Nvm I ain't fw quant no more I just want a 30 hour gogle team

[brisk ingot]

u dont like a casual 60 hour work week?

[fossil willow]

I'm doing ~30 hours rn ion wanna double that 🥶

So doomed

[zenith panther]

over

if ur struggling w/ that then you should probably not do quant/startups/research etc.

tech is good wlb and pay

nothing wrong with it,

[median pebble]

looking for some feedback on this 🙂

[hybrid hamlet]

i wonder if u know my friend from IOI

[median pebble]

ohh i mightt

are they from india?

[hybrid hamlet]

yea

[pulsar scarab]

Kinda throwing me off that learning based is bold but not machine lol

[median pebble]

lol sorry yh fixed that

😭 😂 (these emojis are creepy)

[fresh swallow]

you're going for trading firm swe?

i would add operating systems to relevant coursework if you've taken that

[median pebble]

yup

[median pebble]

not yet 🤐

[fresh swallow]

I guess just in general you don't list a language for that top internship so I'd add that. Also try to throw in more c++/os relevant topics if possible

or python/data analysis stuff can be good too for other types of roles

[sweet forge]

If I want to do quant trading, would a math minor be best?

[dusty pollen]

How long did it take for ppl to hear back after optiver phone

[dire arrow]

major

qt is more math than cs

[dusty pollen]

Did the recruiter explicitly say you were going to next round?

[vocal drift]

how long does optiver take to get back after oa? its been around a week since i took it

[sweet forge]

how much harder is it to land a quant job/internship with only a undergrad degree? is it reasonably probable?

[pallid berry]

its up to joe tho not her

[cursive atlas]

for quant trading, usually most interns are undergrads
for quant research, usually most interns are grad students

depends on firm tho

[brisk ingot]

i think they're talking abt opt not omc

joe is the omc recruiter right

[pallid berry]

ye

oh my b i thot they were talking abt omc phone

[cyan ridge]

Lol that was brutal

Felt like I was taking an exam in class

And then the "break" was a on the fly Why OMC wtf

That sucked

[fervent bolt]

Anyone hear back from Akuna SWE phone?

[fervent bolt]

Python

[queen sorrel]

bruh that optiver OA

[queen sorrel]

i did the timestamp thingy optimally(or at least near optimally) but the packet/stream concert ticket thing screwed me up

i initially implemented it wrong bc i didnt fully read the passage then did it properly but only got 1 testcase bc some wierd packet return order

and then i didnt have time to figure out what it was doing

but the linux trivia smh

ugh why cant they just do lc type questions

[pure kettle]

anyone done wintermute loop for trader before?

[zenith panther]

orz

kevinothy

[deep cargo]

Let’s goooo

Bros rly doing final before my phone

[brisk ingot]

how long does it take for them to reach out after phone?

[unreal swift]

How long is final?

wtf gl bro

[brisk ingot]

damnn

[deep cargo]

Wait what

I thought it was just 3 rounds..

[livid wedge]

is it qr or swe?

[muted ocean]

Is it in person?

Gl

[fresh swallow]

you got it chief

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feeIOZH7wr4

[split lintel]

You're my hero

[ember fjord]

hey, how much do you guys happen to know about the culture of the different HFT firms? From what I heard IMC and DRW are among the best in culture, and Citadel one of the worst but I am prob very biased

[zenith panther]

waz

how r u gonna attend

traders

[pastel sage]

anyone else do the jane street onsite?

[royal forge]

they always did this

[queen sorrel]

yeah ik a soph who got akuna ig 2 yrs ago

[stiff elbow]

Wait yeah don't sophs intern there

Is that still a thing

[timber fiber]

akuna paying each soph intern 50k for a summer so that they can leave to better firms seemed like a bad use of money

[royal forge]

Thank you so much for your interest in Akuna Capital! We see that you applied for the Development Internship - Python, Summer 2023 role, but because you are graduating after August of 2024 we will not be considering your application for this internship.  This does not mean that you weren't a fit for the role so please remember Akuna in your future job search!

from 2022

"always" was an exaggeration but they've done this the past 2 years (when this channel was created)

[fresh swallow]

anyone know a good resource for quickly refreshing on basic high level concepts for swe

[dire arrow]

if any of yall kwants wanna bless me resume id appreciate 🙏 #1267978804370997349 message

[thin bramble]

will you take DRW or IMC over citadel

is the real question

[ember fjord]

why wouldnt you?

[deep cargo]

Everything is team dependent no matter where ru are honestly

You can choose

[ember fjord]

context: I worked one year for an HFT firm and ideally I'd like to go back to "regular" software engineering, but market is not ideal and I might go back to HFT if I have to but I don't want to go anywhere where the culture is crap, even if the pay is good

[ember fjord]

that's extremely true from what I personally experienced

but my reference is one comp

[deep cargo]

Id prolly just do virtual cuz I’ve never done in person

Don’t wanna introduce unknown variables to something that important

[acoustic tendon]

hows cit round 2 like

in terms of difficulty compared to r1

[fresh swallow]

you could work for anduril

their recruiters are aware of hft

[royal forge]

for swe?

same as the first

[acoustic tendon]

swe

[ember fjord]

i’ll give it a look thanks for the tip

[fresh swallow]

yeah np

I just had final round there on Monday

[ember fjord]

i hope you’ll get an offer 💪

[acoustic tendon]

^^

already took os last semester but barely remember most details past like posix threads and basic scheduling

idk if its worth reviewing for the 3x45 rounds

[brisk ingot]

idts

[astral delta]

Is it harder to be a trader or a SWE within quant roles? What about the interviewing process for both? The pays are also similar so what would you recommend someone spend their time doing?

[ember fjord]

just pass the interview for the stuff you're most passionate about, it'll make both the interview and the job easier

[ember fjord]

so I checked and you have to be American in order to get the security clearance to work there, which is not my case sadly

[charred sequoia]

from my experience talking to some quant ppl quant dev is more like data engineering and involves more swe while quant trader is basically math + stats so I would think quant trader is harder (also more school elitist)

[fresh swallow]

Ah yeah if you're not american it's probably tough to get a job there. You don't necessarily need to be american though, there are non-cleared roles. One of my interviewers was polish

[fresh swallow]

no

[rose holly]

do I need to apply separately for the same role at citadel and citadel securities?

[fresh swallow]

yes

[rose holly]

i'm guessing I need separate referrals as well then?

[brisk ingot]

no?

it’s the same hiring pipeline

[umbral echo]

what is HFT

[fresh swallow]

for non intern/new grad it's completely separate

so if they're posting separately for a role I would assume it's a different role you have to apply to

[brisk ingot]

yea but almost 95% of the people here r talking abt intern & new grad

but yea experienced hiring is separate true

[analog ravine]

Do you need to get perfect to get past Akuna hirevue

[urban valley]

anyone done DE Shaw Systems dev intern technical phone round?

[cyan ridge]

Yes it seems that is the case

[analog ravine]

🙏

[reef marsh]

is cit swe intern 3x45 interview is the same as the first round?

like j lc

or is there usually some sys design/trivia etc

[brisk ingot]

yes

[brisk ingot]

but first could be anything, including this too

[reef marsh]

oh i see ig i just got lucky in the 1st rnd then

bet thanks

[stiff elbow]

Is IMC OA auto

[north dragon]

no

[queen pendant]

u heard wrong

[stiff elbow]

Do they screen after OA?

[brisk ingot]

everyone screens after OA

[stiff elbow]

Oh so it's before and after

[fresh swallow]

anyone interviewed with Tower?

[trim wharf]

Anyone know js blacklist time after rej from final

[trim wharf]

Last year

Even for intern then full time?

[dusty pollen]

does anyone know lc difficulty of optiver technical screen

[stone cipher]

No

[coarse blaze]

has anyone here been ghosted for more than 2 weeks after opt oa (qt)?

[lone umbra]

anyone else taken cit sec oa

trying to compare answers

[tall nebula]

yeah dm

[stone drum]

could you also reach out to me? for optiver swe technical

[vocal drift]

yeah

[coarse blaze]

its crazy they usually rej/give phone quickly

emailed them last wk, they said they would get back to me early in the week, still havent. dk if i should do another followup

[vocal drift]

yeah last year process was p fast

[coarse blaze]

ya what makes it odd is that lots of ppl heard back b4 us (for phone and rej)

[vocal drift]

:<

[noble herald]

is ghost good/bad or generally inconclusive

optiver ghost after oa

[bright mountain]

so basically

[gilded quartz]

pray tell

[ocean gazelle]

No system design

[hybrid hamlet]

Why the FUCK is sig ghosting me

[vocal drift]

does anyone know places where applying with multiple emails works

[midnight scroll]

Has it ever worked?

Most job services can automate duplication checking

[pulsar scarab]

I had a phone screen with recruiter in late June, said I'll be reaches out by a team and havent heard anything

[fresh swallow]

Odd

My sig recruiter has been super responsive through the whole process

offer coming up next week prolly

going to finally escape unemployment 🙏

[bright mountain]

Are you full time

[fresh swallow]

yeah

[lavish marten]

LFG

[bright mountain]

Are you happy with the offer

[olive kettle]

has anyone heard back after sig auto oa for swe intern

[lilac garden]

i got an email yestarday asking for updtaed resume but no response yet

[lilac garden]

yeah

[olive kettle]

Got 100 too damn

[pallid berry]

has anyone done the aquatic take home

running into some perms issues

[slate crown]

yea got rejected

i emailed asking if u could give my updated resume and got ghosted prior

[olive kettle]

Damn rip

[slate crown]

ye got 600 too

[pulsar scarab]

qd

[pallid berry]

permission issues lmao

[neon mirage]

his perm

[rose holly]

I heard back after 580.

They gave me a phone call and then ghosted.

Code signal first.

[rose holly]

Last year

They must've met me and thought I was too ugly.

[pulsar scarab]

emailed the recruiter and messaged in LinkedIn three times already

I am lwk this close to just calling her lol

tbf I feel extremely underprepared to clear their interview anyway

[pulsar scarab]

yea

it was a screening

nothing technical

just learn abot me

she literally said "we will reach out with the next steps within the next week"

[rose holly]

why is the culture bad?

Whats ur zetamac scores

[low vault]

For citadel phone - is it okay to delay it by a bit? I was thinking of scheduling it at the end of August, but I'm not sure if spots will start filling up before then.

If very few people are offered before september then I don't see a reason to rush

[low vault]

ngl i dont rly - it's mainly so i can focus on the end of my internship

[visual estuary]

Does anyone have interned at IMC Trading in Amsterdam as swe?

[vestal girder]

When did you give the oa if you don't mind me asking

[low vault]

The latest date I’m able to schedule on their platform right now is t the end of August

[low vault]

oooh hmm

i might do that hten

[pallid berry]

i wouldnt delay cit phone

they fill up

[deep cargo]

When does it end

[zenith crypt]

Hey, I'm offering referrals for Point72 and/or Cubist (full-time opportunities). Please dm me with the following information.

1. Your resume (pdf)
2. Positions you are interested in (title or job posting link)
3. Short blurb of why you are qualified (2-3 sentences)

I'll respond back if I do refer you.

EDIT: If it's internships, please apply directly

let me know if this channel is not correct

[low vault]

Final presentation is on August 21st

[low vault]

Gg cit just bugged me again to schedule my phone

It hasn’t even been a whole business day yet

Until they realize that I have the math skills of a hot potato

[analog ravine]

what is the bar to pass the akuna trading oa

[cyan ridge]

I got all but two of the test cases and got rejected

[analog ravine]

huh

[cyan ridge]

So assuming you need perfect

[analog ravine]

trading oa is just mental path and sequences

[cyan ridge]

Oh I was talking SWE

[ocean bloom]

Has anyone done the first round interview for Jane Street SWE intern? How was your experience? Any insights/tips?

[plush trout]

^ or new grad

Heard they were the same difficulty though

[split lintel]

My man @lime zealot got an offer like 2 days ago

[split lintel]

Sup alan
How's Meta
RO secured, I'm sure?

[plush trout]

Hey Juda
Busy
No RO secured yet

Busy to balance both that and interview prep

[split lintel]

Wear a gold chain to work
Zuckerberg seems to be quite fond of those these days

[plush trout]

Their earnings was great, and interns got good news

They will be sending out ROs to “top performers”

[plush trout]

Ty for the tip

Where do i pick up one of these gold chains

[ocean bloom]

Goat. Hopefully he replies to my dm 🙏

[fossil willow]

[spare belfry]

what's like the ratio of "top performers"? esp after the market crashes tomorrow :<

is Jane Street flexible in terms of moving interview dates like 1 month? lol

tbh don't really care too much about getting Jane (and also know the chances are small), and pretty busy for the next 3 weeks, but thought if I do have the time to prep for later on might as well

[spare belfry]

you're a hot commodity

[vestal girder]

I finished cit oa in 15 mins 😢 no call tho

[vestal girder]

Idk man . 2 easy questions is pretty doable in 15

They must check it by some checker and clear me no?

[low vault]

finish time probably doesn't matter

[hazy hawk]

Which quants are auto other than akuna and optiver?

Also probably a long shot has anyone done technical for optiver FPGA

[brisk ingot]

cit is auto im p sure

[vocal drift]

is akuna auto? i havent heard back after applying and its been a week

[primal flower]

Mine was a 2 hr design session with engineers (a system design and implementation problem). Make sure to know DSA theory (time and space complexity) and be able to argue tradeoffs in design well. Question is a harder LC medium. My recruiter also gave some tips ahead of time on what to expect, so maybe check with them?

[fresh swallow]

Anyone done Tower onsite for industry hire

[hazy hawk]

Akuna hardware is, dunno about other roles

[analog ravine]

how long does it take for akuna to respond after 2nd technical

this is for quant/tech (preferably quant tho)

[peak echo]

i havent heard back either even though recruiter kept telling me theyll reach out to schedule last week. one of my friends got ann email saying update by aug 9 tho

[rugged rampart]

Is cit not in 48hr => auto reject still true

[analog ravine]

Has anyone taking trading second oa

For Akuna capital

[gilded quartz]

damn how r u guys getting cit and optiver to chase u to schedule interviews

is it mostly olympiad kids

[rugged rampart]

I mean the oa

Not phone

[brisk ingot]

i wonder how much i've costed citadel in terms of hourly employee pay to do interviews

alr done 7 in the last year and 3 more soon 😭

[low vault]

Idk

I a cper

Not math nerd

[whole dust]

Hey, I'm offering referrals for Point72

[sick bolt]

has anyone started a spreadsheet for ng quant tc salaries by chance

[drifting imp]

anyone know anything about cubist

all these recruiters telling me it’s a really good opportunity but reviews online seem kind of bad

[peak echo]

cubist recruiters?

or other recruiters

lmao

[low vault]

Do you speak Chinese language spoken dialect?

[plucky verge]

for optiver oa practice, is tradermath premium worth it?

[pulsar scarab]

I am an olympiad kid (2017) and I am getting resume screened from most firms

[drifting imp]

no

[pulsar scarab]

I know one person who works there, he seemed to say good things about working there

[drifting imp]

okay sick

I mean I’ll probably just see what happens

but looks like the people who work there are a bit older

[fresh swallow]

This is a good sign, no?

If they have experienced people

[pulsar scarab]

or a bad, meaning they dont hire young people

my level of pessimism is prolly why I will stay jobless forever

[fresh swallow]

I mean as a company philosophy not hiring young people is fairly reasonable. Unless you're saying it as in they're less likely to hire you

not really something to worry ab when you're already in the pipeline

[pulsar scarab]

I cleared the regionals for my country (not the US)

for the regions? Yea

no

not for the country

that is I think 8 people lmao

[analog ravine]

has anyone done first technical round (after OAs) for akuna capital (quant/swe -- should be the same)

[timber fiber]

no

[analog ravine]

can i dm you abt it

[halcyon zealot]

No

I didnt

[analog ravine]

oh

lmao ok

[halcyon zealot]

I didnt see OA(s)

Well I will not have any phones until final

Only oas

[analog ravine]

huh why

[halcyon zealot]

They have 3 oas and final

[analog ravine]

uh

for what role?

[halcyon zealot]

Trader

Intern

[analog ravine]

oh for trader

did you take second oa yet

[halcyon zealot]

Yes

I got third

[analog ravine]

how was it?

like it just says its math

[halcyon zealot]

3 leetcode mediums

[analog ravine]

huh

[halcyon zealot]

One on the harder side

[analog ravine]

wait im confused

was yours not just the video thing

[halcyon zealot]

Its third oa

[analog ravine]

wait what

i only took 1 oa

and have the video thing now

[halcyon zealot]

For trader intern?

[analog ravine]

yeah

[halcyon zealot]

This year?

[analog ravine]

summer 2025

wait can i j dm

[halcyon zealot]

Sure

[analog ravine]

dont wanna dox myself to the entire channel

[queen pendant]

doing this for an irrelevant country is meaningless on ur resume

[pulsar scarab]

There are meaningless countries 😂

[queen pendant]

for imo yeah

[cursive atlas]

anyone done first phone for citadel trading intern

[spare belfry]

im on the imo team from the vatican city

[pulsar scarab]

cap no one in vatican is good at math

I have been there

[rose holly]

[plucky verge]

anyone do the akuna trading oa yet?

[tough hatch]

anyone got tips for the omc ng swe technical interview? heard they ask lc meds but not sure what topics they might focus on

[coarse blaze]

which one

[plucky verge]

quant and trading python one

[coarse blaze]

dmd

[cyan sparrow]

anyone done jane street swe phone yet?

[fringe roost]

nope, you're the first

[split lintel]

@lime zealot already has an offer

[abstract storm]

What are the most top tier firms?

Suppose you have an offer at say Citsec

[ocean bloom]

Tell bro to check dms

[split lintel]

Tell bro yourself

ngl his DMs are prolly flooded lol

[ocean bloom]

Fr

If anyone has done the Jane street phone interview help a brother out with some tips 🙏

[deep cargo]

I think ur the main contributor to that by ating him every time someone asks about JS 💀

[split lintel]

Well to be fair he also posted his jane street offer in the process channel

[split lintel]

Thank you my king

[sonic fractal]

Anyone done the Akuna python test yet

[zenith panther]

readability >>>>

everything performance required should be abstracted

[signal cradle]

did you even have to use any dsa? i thought it was all class design?

[fresh swallow]

nah

you're gonna nail it

[deep cargo]

gl gl

When is it

[fringe roost]

has anyone made it to cit HM yet

[zenith panther]

😁

[fringe roost]

how long does it take to hear back after onsite

i'm dooming

[fossil willow]

Cache followup?

[worthy frost]

Anyone do akuna’S second oa

[deep cargo]

Preach

[coarse blaze]

when did u do the oa?

damn they really hate me lmao i did the qt oa 26 days ago 💀

still havent gotten it, applied the day it came out

i did it last cycle tho

same lol

did u interview for the internship earlier this yr?

ah i failed the second phone lol

i rly hope we're not blacklisted lol

they said theyd reinterview

[queen sorrel]

same

[queen sorrel]

nah just norma;

wait wierd when i log into my twosigma portal is says i havent applied to anything but i got a confirmation

[rugged rampart]

@lime zealot how long to hear back from js for phone btw

[queen sorrel]

is this there wierd way of rejecting

oh wait yeah i tried to reapply and they blocked me and an rj showed up

[rugged rampart]

Damn so long

Did you expedite

[fresh swallow]

it took me 3 weeks to hear back from one company after recruiter phone call

[rugged rampart]

@lime zealot can I dm you about timeline sorry

[fresh swallow]

then less than an hour after tech phone

lol

[vocal drift]

same I even emailed them

[coarse blaze]

Same, they said they’d get back to me (they did not)

[queen sorrel]

ya

[coarse blaze]

mine still says resume review

[queen sorrel]

or well it just disapeared before then it popped up as no longer under consideration when i tried to reapply

fr

maybe next yr

[rugged rampart]

Thanks, dmd

[coarse blaze]

def should be the case

[zenith panther]

orz

[fresh swallow]

what to do when you have an offer deadline on the same day as a final for a different firm

[fringe roost]

has anyone gotten past cit onsite yet

[vocal drift]

can i dm anyone about cit swe process

[brisk ingot]

mine took ~1 day

so it varies

[ocean bloom]

@lime zealot do you mind checking dm thanks 🙏

[lavish marten]

GL

[acoustic tendon]

anyone did their cit onsite?

[lavish swift]

does anyone know the diff in interivew process/difficulty at cit sec qt vs cit macro trader

[acoustic tendon]

Usually how many ppl make it from cit onsite (3 technicals) -> team matching

[zenith panther]

# of ppl who made team matching / # of ppl who made it to onsite

hope this helps

[twin cloud]

i interviewed like 10 ppl for their onsite and only 1 of them made it thru 💀

my coworker had better odds tho

[acoustic tendon]

damn, if u dont mind me asking, how would u recommend prepping for onsite and what kind of qs did u ask

[late bear]

I don’t think they can provide qs asked. 😭 What if they are interviewing you? But a lot of the time it’s LC Hards for onsite.

[acoustic tendon]

ah thats true lol, u never know

[deep cargo]

Fr he mogs me

[twin cloud]

i asked like a leetcode medium difficult question, i made the question up myself

everyone in the company has their own question they can ask, it’s not standardized unless you’re applying for citadel launch

[peak echo]

does the same hold for qt?

[twin cloud]

i mean if ur a rising sophomore yea otherwise you’d prob get resume rejected

do it

the bar is lower

hedge fund

[fringe roost]

@twin cloud do u need 3x perfect interviews to pas

[queen sorrel]

is the "lower" bar for cit launch like HYPSM kids with freshman FAANG+?

[peak echo]

ik a couple ppl that got interveiws without both of those

[twin cloud]

i don’t 💀

[twin cloud]

you need practically all 3/5 for your interviews to pass

on both behavioural and technical

no

the behavioural is embedded in each round

[late bear]

This is launch right

[twin cloud]

no

swe intern

[wet gate]

so the first round is still considered for passing superday?

[twin cloud]

2 yrs?

like 50-55 on avg

[acoustic tendon]

sounds good thanks, im assuming its the same with behaviour questions in each int?

any tips for the behaviour section?

[zenith panther]

out of all the launch interns ive met, the minimum of their best internships was citadel

hope this helps

[queen sorrel]

actually yes, thanks for the help

[zenith panther]

that is exactly what i am saying

kevin u r too big brained

trust

[low vault]

Orz kevinnnnnnnnnn

[deep cargo]

Wecu orz

[low vault]

Storz

[low vault]

Wecorz

[celest tide]

Damn holy 😭

What do you think was the biggest mistakes/red flags that threw you off these candidates?

[deep cargo]

Bro this is rly turning into an AMA 💀 poor htmlbot

[twin cloud]

dude i gave people good ratings but all i see in the talent portal is rejected after their onsite 🗿

i honestly don’t think it’s me i pass most of the ppl i interview lol

[celest tide]

goated fr

Might be like a HM resume review after onsites then :/

[twin cloud]

nah i’m prob guessing the other interviewers prob gave a thumbs down or smth

[deep cargo]

There is that’s why there’s team match, but that’s a separate stage

For the HM round

[celest tide]

Time to start grinding even more now

Thanks man ❤️

[celest tide]

Yeah makes sense

[rugged rampart]

How long to hear back after cit oa (not asking htmlbot )

Just wondering

[fresh swallow]

for intern/ng they send OA to everyone

[celest tide]

I guess just one last question (no pressure ofc) but what advice/tip&tricks would you give someone in order to really standout in the interview? I think i have a high likelihood of passing eu swe intern screen but im just piss scared of the phone/onsites

[celest tide]

Should be within 1-2 weeks

[fresh swallow]

be good

[rugged rampart]

Very long range

But ok

[celest tide]

Normally its pretty quick (couple of days) but thats just the max ive heard

swe

[rugged rampart]

It’s only been 2 days for me

[celest tide]

qt i've idea sorry

I wouldnt worry much about QT/R response times

They fill pretty late

[rose holly]

anyone here do marshall waces process before?

[fresh swallow]

damn they paying nice for UK