quants-n-traders

[twin verge]

for swe anyway

js might be loo only

[brisk ingot]

idt any major firms do

trading they need to have a whole structured education process for the internship, and setting it up for fall is kinda a waste when they could just increase hc for summer

swe is a easier bc it’s legit just code monkeys working on a project

[ruby fog]

nah theres some people i know who switched

[twin verge]

benq

[rancid fable]

benq ?

[winged dove]

No finished my math degree and did an internship at a top physics lab

Why ? With what their offering they can just do the rentech way of only reaching out to people of interest

I also applied for the two week internship emphasizing I was interested in cs

How do you know ?

[azure zenith]

For a company of 20 people

feels like someone through a large pot of money at a small group of smart people and they just haven't fucked up yet

although 25 years is interesting

theie website sounds quite (rightfully I guess?) egotistical

do you know what's in the interviews

I'm curious now

also curious as to why they are flashing around having a Carnegie hall soloist for an investment firm

I guess trying to show they are like polymaths or something?

interesting

[winged dove]

You miss all the shots you don’t take

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/warrenhilton_financialservicesrecruitment-assetmanagement-activity-7169282687453626369-yfF5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios

What is their culture ?

[winged dove]

DE Shaw has a similar thing on their website maybe it’s just marketing

[queen pendant]

u aren’t making this shot in a million years

[winged dove]

I got final round of Akuna it’s a long shot but it’s a shot regardless

[queen pendant]

yeah i can dribble a basketball surely i have a shot of making the nba

[haughty hinge]

Yeah some companies you just save time not applying to

[twin verge]

if muggsy bogues can make it so can I

i simply want it more

[half valve]

W gaslighting to eliminate competition

dont apply to anything anyone, all of you are ngmi just only let me apply

[haughty hinge]

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[terse barn]

i got final round akuna with lockheed martin as my only experience lmoa

this is definitely on a completely different level

[winged dove]

Don’t care still gunning for it

[terse barn]

good mindset

[winged dove]

You gotta realize the people are at the top or get to the top because at some point they had to take a chance

I mean look at June Huh

[ruby fog]

agreed

gl dude

[winged dove]

I'm getting bites from other non-quant top places as well recently had an interview with INL and passed the first round of Stanford SLAC

[terse barn]

who is that

i don’t meat ride people in quant lmao

yeah they’re kind of dying lol

[winged dove]

https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/akuna-capital-llc/interview?page=6

[terse barn]

i think so many people declined or reneged this cycle that they unrejected a ton of people 2 separate times

[winged dove]

I had to work through their an entire options 101 course before doing their options 201 studied the entire summer for it 😅

So with the places i'm getting interviews from i'm a bit hopeful

[winged dove]

Yeah there are guys with simular profiles to him tbh and this level it's about the effort your willing put in, the people you know/work with and honestly as much as our egos hate to admit it luck

[queen pendant]

bro comparing himself to june huh 😭

holy cope

[winged dove]

No

[queen pendant]

u have the same line of logic as bill gates dropped out I can too

[winged dove]

Yeah but bill gates was in another league

[queen pendant]

wtf do u think june huh is lmao

[winged dove]

A lesson that anything is possible

[queen pendant]

yeah if ur june huh or bill gates

[winged dove]

Still I’m not giving up I’m get interviews at hard places and I’m gonna keep grinding

[queen pendant]

im just trying to be real here

ur not getting interviews at top places

[winged dove]

Stanford SLAC, INL, and Battelle

I can even show some of the emails just to mog but that’s unnecessary

I’m regards to firms have gotten HRT , Akuna and another place I forget the name

[queen pendant]

who who who

[winged dove]

I think Wolverine trading but I ended up not doing the OA

[queen pendant]

Top place
Wolverine
Pick one

[winged dove]

That is better then nothing

[queen pendant]

Arguable

[winged dove]

@queen pendant have you gotten anything ?

Also currently have 1 offer in processing as well

[queen pendant]

yeah im an incoming google swe intern on the google cloud internal tooling team working on frontend react components

[winged dove]

Recently almost got another prestigious place but was rejected

Made it to final round and everything

[queen pendant]

💀

[winged dove]

That is better then most recent grads I know people with jmpc and meta who have nothing

I’m being dead serious

Yeah the market has been rough for new/recent grads take a look around

Jesus some of you guys need reality check

[terse barn]

oh wait is he like academia type shit

i thought he was some random recent college grad in quant that this guy was like putting on a pedestal

[queen pendant]

what’s ur point

im just saying there’s no point in u applying to the places ur applying to

[winged dove]

In this market you do what you can and take what you can get

[terse barn]

apply to virtu dawg

they take defense mfs like me

🙏

lowest quant interview bar at any firm

[winged dove]

Did got rejected 😔

[terse barn]

what are these

are they all defense

[winged dove]

National labs and they are very hard

[terse barn]

or like national labs type shit

[winged dove]

Ye ye

[terse barn]

national labs bar is way lower

[queen pendant]

ur applying swe 😭

[winged dove]

I interned at one when I did my undergrad

[winged dove]

Swe is still an important role tho

[queen pendant]

im sure if u apply for rentech janitor u have a shot too

[winged dove]

Also @queen pendant aren’t you an swe at google ?

[terse barn]

yo is qd at mid firm --> qr at good firm like possible

[terse barn]

he is troling u

troling

trolling

[winged dove]

Yeah I’m aware

I would say national lab is harder then quant you gotta be a us citizen and meet a lot of security clearance check requirements

Most of the mfs in this server would not get through that process

[terse barn]

im dead lmao

do you know how easy it is

to get a clearance

[queen pendant]

yeah what about it

[terse barn]

u dont do shit

you fill out a form

and then u wait 6 months lmao

[winged dove]

You would be surprised how many people fail it tho

[terse barn]

and u talk to an old retired cop

[terse barn]

yes bc they smoke weed or some shit

or lie

[queen pendant]

might actually be true

[terse barn]

that is not hard at all lmao

[queen pendant]

look at quant swe bar nowadays

[winged dove]

Again it’s due to that particarly

[storm rivet]

It’s a pretty involved process, js

[terse barn]

what does js stand for here

[winged dove]

Even top tier people a lot of times get denied

[terse barn]

just saying?

oh

[queen pendant]

I don’t get ur jump in logic

[terse barn]

yes because they arent american lol

that shit is so free if u are born in the US

[queen pendant]

because u got an interview for swe at some random lab u think ur gonna get an interview for qr/qt at a top firm

?

[terse barn]

my name literally sounds like a weapon of mass destruction and i am brown than a mf and i got a clearance

[winged dove]

Nahh not due to that and not quite for instance if you have any forge in contacts they could deny

[storm rivet]

Having interviewed at a 3 letter agency, it’s more than a form lol

[queen pendant]

involved =/= hard though

[terse barn]

do u have a clearance

[storm rivet]

Yep

[terse barn]

oh

nice

[winged dove]

Plus for the technical interviews they are like onsite only for some of the postions I had to go to one of their secure testing sites and take an exam

With a security guard standing by the door

[terse barn]

idk i think 3 letter agencies bars are usually a bit higher than just some random contractor

but like

[queen pendant]

yeah I had to do this in high school for my sat 💀

[terse barn]

the hard part of all of that is not the knowledge its literally just being american

[winged dove]

Mainly been hitting agencies, labs and small private labs then just random tech companies

[storm rivet]

I’ll give you an example: answering very, very personal questions about your personal life to a complete stranger. Yeah it’s not rigorous like mathematics, but it’s not comfortable

[terse barn]

i am at a small private lab rn lol

[storm rivet]

Especially if you’re getting a poly

[terse barn]

yeah

easy

[winged dove]

It’s mainly about your life and that shit is hard

[queen pendant]

yeah so it’s not a hard process

that’s easy af lmao

[terse barn]

compared to getting grilled about some networking concept youve barely heard of

[storm rivet]

Damn you’re just hot shit Op

[terse barn]

id much rather talk about my personal life

[queen pendant]

yeah i am

how do u think I got google swe intern

[winged dove]

Op would fail the process I bet

[storm rivet]

lol how about your intimate life?

[terse barn]

ive been through both proceses lmao i literally have a clearance and interviewed for some quant firms

[terse barn]

yeah so?

[storm rivet]

I was being obtuse with saying personal

[terse barn]

how does it matter

[winged dove]

It matters because that’s where a lot of people fail tbh

[storm rivet]

Damn I guess if you’re a robot go for it

[winged dove]

Ahh yeah and then I’ve been applying for uni swe postions as well

Forgot to mention that

[storm rivet]

Yeah the interrogation.. er.. interview gets some people

[winged dove]

Willing to bet some math textbooks that most people in here would not survive

[storm rivet]

Idk man, they got the special sauce

[queen pendant]

Oh nooo how will I survive someone asking me what city I was born in 😭😭😭

[winged dove]

That sauce comes with a side of ego lol

[terse barn]

what does betting some math textbooks mean

i dont understand this phrase

[winged dove]

Actually willing to bet some textbooks anytime there was a dispute between two students in math program people who had good notes would place them on the pot

[queen pendant]

???

are u on any medications

[winged dove]

Yeah some of the people my program had god tier handwriting so their notes would be in demand

[storm rivet]

Y’all toxic

[winged dove]

@queen pendant just because your at fanng dosent mean your better then people

[queen pendant]

it does imo

i was able to get google and u werent

im objectively better

[storm rivet]

“Govt shit” can mean many things

[terse barn]

tf are you talking about bro 😭

lowkey u might fail the behaviorals

not even the techs

^^

thats how my stuff was too

for my clearance

[storm rivet]

TS/SCI?

[terse barn]

nah just secret

it was free

[storm rivet]

Lmao

[quartz knot]

google cant even generate pictures of white people bro

[terse barn]

TS is not much harder though i was going through the process of getting it

[winged dove]

You were just on the beginning of the high side

[storm rivet]

Bro that’s literally just the SF86 form. No wonder you think it’s a breeze

[terse barn]

i did the poly

[storm rivet]

There are multiple levels above TS

[terse barn]

yes ik

instead of doing allat

u can just study a textbook

and do some leetcode

and u make triple the money

🤯

[storm rivet]

Just sayin, speak to your experiences

[terse barn]

and u kill less middle eastern children

[queen pendant]

wow really

has it helped with ur quant interviews

[terse barn]

💀

[winged dove]

Yeah there is an overlap in regards to material

[terse barn]

like what

💀

[winged dove]

Leetcode, calc based stats, brain teasers, etc

[storm rivet]

Some of my old mentors did work in signal processing with the NSA. I think there’d be some similarities with the mathematics there

[terse barn]

dude i interviewed with batelle

i had to do one lc easy

[storm rivet]

If you’re asking about on the job stuff

[winged dove]

If the interview is easy then the challenges will be elsewhere

[queen pendant]

@winged dove what role did u interview with for hrt

[winged dove]

Quant dev/swe I think

[queen pendant]

did u get to final

[winged dove]

Nahh think I got to second round

[terse barn]

which one lmao

[winged dove]

I’ll have to dig in my email

Hrt interview was as diffcult as my other tech/lab interviews

[brisk ingot]

aren't they both just called core dev

[terse barn]

aint no way lmao

[brisk ingot]

at hrt

[winged dove]

Actually yeah first round was leetcode mediums and second I think was live round with more mediums and a hard can’t remember what they asked

[terse barn]

isnt there algo dev and swe

which are 2 diff things

[winged dove]

If we are talking about just the interview difficulties it was similar to other places I was aiming for alongside hrt

Akuna was the hardest for me since you had to do their entire options course before options 201

[terse barn]

or u could just like not

u dont need to do shit for swe

u said ur applying for swe right

they dont ask about any of that stuff unless ur going for trading or research

[winged dove]

swe and trader are the roles I’ve been applying to

Like I’ve been applying for mutiple things

Yeah and hrt was the algo dev postion

I would say the hardest interview I’ve had was for the dod when had to go onsite and take their maths exam due to sheer breath of the material yes it was easy would made it hard is that they could have asked anything

[brisk ingot]

algo dev is their research role

[twin cloud]

what role

[terse barn]

no

[winged dove]

Quant swe and trader I interviewed for both

[terse barn]

https://boards.greenhouse.io/embed/job_app?for=wehrtyou&token=3903145

diff posting

than algo dev

[winged dove]

It was my first time interviewing for quant so it was the hardest for me

[queen pendant]

u did not get algo dev interview 💀

post email rn

[terse barn]

LOL

[winged dove]

Lol I don’t have to prove anything

[terse barn]

hrt algo dev first interview

thats crazy

[brisk ingot]

https://www.hudsonrivertrading.com/work-at-hrt/

[queen pendant]

that’s chill lil bro ik u didnt

[terse barn]

yea ik

its like research oriented

but theres a diff role thats just called qr

[twin cloud]

their office is nice

[brisk ingot]

i think that's just a one-off posting

i've never seen another qr posting

but who knows

[twin cloud]

the QT position, they play a lot of poker though

[brisk ingot]

u might be right

[winged dove]

This was after the second round

@queen pendant ^

I did hrt I think after Akuna

[terse barn]

isnt this the standard rejection email

before u get OA

i got the same email after i did the OA and got resume rejected

[winged dove]

Nahh they send this rejection email regardless of round

[queen pendant]

🧢

[winged dove]

Regardless I still interviewed with them

[queen pendant]

post the interview invite

[winged dove]

Dosent matter I still got rejected and why are you so intrested

[quasi orbit]

hrt interview was not possible

bar is too high

[queen pendant]

because ur capping

[winged dove]

I mean I can show off other stuff I’ve gotten but there is little point

[queen pendant]

other stuff meaning u didn’t interview with hrt

[winged dove]

I did and honestly I don’t gotta prove anything

Also like who cares ? If I interview with hrt or not in fact why don’t you guys apply for yourselfs

[queen pendant]

it’s fine ik u didnt

[winged dove]

Lol

Think whatever you want

😂

[winged dove]

great thanks for letting me know

actually that's what you get when you apply again for the same role you preivously applied for

[terse barn]

i got this for reject after OA

not phone

the email he sent is the reject email you get for reject without OA

[winged dove]

Still tough regardless

I don't think HRT is pushing it giving the questions the national labs asked at least. When I did their interviews like there is an overlap with material at least for the roles I applied for

I think for one of the companies I interviwed they gave me a takehome which was like a 400 point pwnable

That particular place asked something like this: https://github.com/minaminao/ctf-blockchain/tree/main/src/ParadigmCTF2022

Tbh I did not do well on them

Again I consider ctf a bit harder because you can literally get asked anything like they don't really fit into standard interviews tbh

I would say that ctf questions are a bit out of the norm for what you would get in an interview

[terse barn]

sandia doesnt even ask you to code

lmao

for intern at least

[terse barn]

why is it so hard to read your messages

yeah im not on the same brain waves

i cant read

[winged dove]

lololol I don't have autocorrect enabled so I apologize for the bad grammer

Yeah some places I believe just send out an auto oa or pre setup hirevue

[neat summit]

When you are at a networking event or talking with old school acquaintances, you say Volant- their eyes LIGHT up. Not even kidding. It's so elite and prestigious. The best part is when some random CS majors don't know what is - it only clearly means they are a loser who only knows the big stupid brand names like Jane Street or Citadel. Volant. It's prestigious. It's sexy. It's hot. Volant.

[haughty hinge]

Bruh wtf did I just read

No way bro compared National labs to quant

If you’re applying for research positions at national labs it’s hard because most of the time they require citizenship and PhD which very few have compared to overall pull of applications

Actually I’m not even gonna bother, imma let Zoph cope, good luck bud

[winged dove]

National labs are not easy I would say they are on bar with quant. Also research postions aren’t the only thing is competive for NLs other technical postions can get quite competitive I think the reu I did had over 4k applicants roughly

[haughty hinge]

you can say what you want but Ive seen a bunch of dumbasses get into national labs and none of these people even made it to final rounds for quant firms

[terse barn]

do you know how many applicants even the shittiest quants have lol

its way more than 4k

[haughty hinge]

dude half of GT freshmen are interning at national labs this summer because they need a "filler internship" for swe like tf are u tryna prove

[terse barn]

some of the good REUs are probably comparable in terms of acceptance rate

tbh

[winged dove]

Pal relax

Plus like I’ve talked to lab directors and another guy at top place it’s pretty competitive

And there is a national lab to quant pipeline tbh

[haughty hinge]

theres NCR quant pipeline too

and McDonalds -> Quant pipeline

[winged dove]

Some previous quants have actually worked at national labs look into some of the oak ridge alumni

I mean regardless you shouldn’t shit on something just because it isn’t bright and shiny

National labs produce a lot of interesting and difficult work same with defense contractors

[haughty hinge]

I dont have a problem with people working in national labs I have a problem with you comparing them to quant in terms of difficulty

and with pretty much all your takes

[winged dove]

It is in fact you go land something at some of these places the interviews I found pretty challenging and intrestring

[haughty hinge]

some unknowlegable person is gonna read this chat, listen to you and die of copium

[winged dove]

Again it’s just my opinion don’t like it just block simple as that

[haughty hinge]

the problem is you post it as a statistic not an opinion

[winged dove]

Again not landing quant isn’t the end of the world what matters is that you get started

[haughty hinge]

you say "oh national labs get 4k applicants, thats on par with quant". Thats not an opinion

[winged dove]

That was for the reu

Different thing entirely

[haughty hinge]

@rose holly I need help bro

gay

lol fair

[terse barn]

this is definitely not true lol

[winged dove]

National labs are difficult for other reasons as well the applicant pool is still very competitive and the skill set is similar to quant

[terse barn]

but its still much harder to get

[terse barn]

hm yes i love market making on the number of bombs we're dropping in the middle east

[winged dove]

Like interview wise at least for the postions that I’ve been gunning for there is a significant overlap in the material

[haughty hinge]

and salary lower

and number of employees higher

[winged dove]

Which labs in particular ?

[haughty hinge]

give a statistic on the most competitive national lab

[winged dove]

I mean your the one saying it isn’t competitive you give the number 😛

[haughty hinge]

I dont have to give u shit, you gave a dogshit take, noone agrees with you and youre wrong

so its you who have to provide a number

[winged dove]

Still competitive 😛

[haughty hinge]

ok show it

[winged dove]

Go look at the profiles for yourself

[haughty hinge]

or is it as competitive as your hrt interview real?

[winged dove]

Yeah I would have to say the interview at battelle was pretty hard

[haughty hinge]

yeah if you think about it

or college

[winged dove]

I mean it depends on the place tbh

Like there are some high schools that are on par with small elite unis

orz ?

[haughty hinge]

thats why I cant keep quiet some, people are gonna hear what this guy says and are gonna emotionally hurt themselves

because he got into one and everyone needs to know

[winged dove]

Nahh didn’t different place

It’s not about the place nor the t it’s about the work. The work national labs do is pretty impactful the amount of the staff they employ albeit greather then quant it’s still as hard to get into one

Heck I haven’t looked into the international labs such as CERN or similar places

[haughty hinge]

^

[winged dove]

Still working at national lab or adjacent can help for landing quant

[haughty hinge]

bro...

can u just stfu about national labs

[winged dove]

I’m being absolutely serious

[winged dove]

Ban me then

[haughty hinge]

I already texted mod

[winged dove]

Sweet

[haughty hinge]

yeah because its made for t50 freshman

noone else in their right mind does them

exactly

[winged dove]

Compared to what ?

Lololol

[haughty hinge]

or fellowships

[winged dove]

I mean in regards to basketball wait nvm I see what you trying to say

[haughty hinge]

like hypsm fellowships I can believe are on par with quant

because they take like 10 people

nah its a bit sweatier

[winged dove]

ngmi ?

Not familiar with the term tbh

CERNs programs are honestly pretty top tier

[haughty hinge]

no like Hertz scholarship

[winged dove]

I don’t know what your smoking lol

[haughty hinge]

its the shit that funds your phd

[haughty hinge]

thats why they pay less than I make as a teaching assistant?

yeah I saw a mf who did harvard PhD at 18, got bored started 2nd MD/PhD at MIT/Broad at 18

and is a like a world jazz player

hes a Hertz guy

[winged dove]

Yeah that was my reu project nothing fancy but it was interesting and learned a lot

[haughty hinge]

of @regal sorrel friend, I realised who you are lmao

[winged dove]

But I mentioned that it was an reu that I did during freshman year

[haughty hinge]

how are u, doing ok?

[winged dove]

At least from what I remembered talking about the post

[haughty hinge]

we chatted like a million years ago about CSE and BW

I didnt get it

[winged dove]

Still like it’s a memey reu project nothing special

[haughty hinge]

no culture fit

wtf lmfao

how

I interviewed in august

what is going on

no way

💀

did u cop anything for the summer or researhc?

him choice

bro if I was ngmi like @regal sorrel Id be so happy

hello

I like your parlay with zoph, you seem like a reasonable human

wish I lived in that world too

[winged dove]

Lolol

[hot mica]

This is their new role because they've been expanding into mid frequency. Algo dev is their original qr role for hft

[brisk ingot]

heard it’s just a medium

[winged dove]

Have one currently trying to get a second one

[spark seal]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-movie-bonnie-gift-present-gif-12901193722005311915

[deep cargo]

holy shit reading through that national lab vs quant discussion was the biggest brain rot i've ever seen

[spark seal]

https://tenor.com/view/chica-fnaf-rizz-w-rizz-fnaf-meme-gif-6058095616017147707

[deep cargo]

start from here lmfao: #quants-n-traders message

[deep cargo]

‘twas quite the read no 😂

[tranquil wagon]

This is why I’m in this server

[deep cargo]

[uncut steeple]

Due to his poor academic record as a undergraduate, Huh was rejected from all but one of the American universities that he applied to. He started his Ph.D. studies at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign in 2009

UIUC pull df thru for me, please.

[twin verge]

masterful troll I say

I'm rolling

[tender zodiac]

I think I’ve been enlightened. Time to go to Battelle

[haughty hinge]

💀💀💀

[rose holly]

when will fall postings for NATIONAL LABS come out?

[brisk ingot]

willing to trade quant internship for national labs

[night cove]

Trade u for one 1 fermilab reference

[short sphinx]

I’m his recruiter

[soft phoenix]

bridgewater > js/jump/cit/hrt/imc/2s/5r/arrowstreet/drw

[livid wedge]

maybe 80 years ago

[soft phoenix]

no, now.

[livid wedge]

thats why everyone ik who got an offer from cit/hrt/sig/js took those over bridgewater

u must know something they dont

[brisk ingot]

they just didn't get the $2m ng comp then

[abstract storm]

How can I get into an alpha research position as new grad?

I have some publication but am unsure if I should do a PhD. I strongly prefer doing research over non-research engineering but prefer research (search?) on profitable oppurtunities even more.

Seems there are two choices:

1. Try to land an engineering position. I have incoming engineering internship and if I try hard I'll probably land a ng position. However this isn't what I'm most interested in.
2. Do more research, apply for quant positions, and also PhD programs. I'll probably lose a lot of opportunity cost, which I'm somewhat fine with. The risks are much higher though

[abstract storm]

The major goal might be to get more research training and demonstrate ability to do independent research, which is pretty much impossible if I go to be a non-pnl related quant dev

[spark seal]

Cauchy-Frobenius theorem or burnside lemma?

[soft phoenix]

i quite literally do.

[deep cargo]

no im not @hazy marten is a larper and a capper

@hazy marten ur an ioi gold medalist and future icpc world champ

[deep cargo]

"dont be shy"

[deep cargo]

that sounds like something he would say

[dire karma]

i'll remember this

[stone vector]

real

[brave vessel]

Neetcode face reveal

[brave vessel]

She knows her audience

[shy cave]

hi

[sturdy steeple]

stfu you clown

[deep cargo]

gtfo u goon

[sturdy steeple]

congrats on cit btw @shy cave

[shy cave]

what'd you call me 🤨

[deep cargo]

dm @shy cave for a referral

[split lintel]

congrats on citadel and thanks for the referral @shy cave

[shy cave]

ofc bro gotchu all

[sullen onyx]

would yall say there's like a top end zetamac score that could somehow guarantee at least OA maybe even interview?

new to quant stuff don't really know how it works

[gilded finch]

Anyone know if there's a problem list for Millennium llc?

[sullen onyx]

whos arthur benjamin

nvm

[rose holly]

how long it take to hear back from citadel VO?

[rose holly]

virtual onsite

[dire karma]

https://tenor.com/view/evangeliobe-gif-20831072

[night cove]

janitor

[queen pendant]

no

no place has a spot on the application for u to fill out zetamac

u don’t need to grind zetamac bc u don’t need to be cracked at it

80-90 is good enough for p much everything

[brisk ingot]

for swe was under a week-ish

from the people ik of

[wintry tendon]

this is overkill zetamac is kind of a waste imo you need to be better with fractions and just hold up under pressure

but like idk only CTC and akuna test mental math

im pretty sure mental math is mostly a test to see if you hold up under pressure but i could be wrong

[midnight scroll]

thats silly though theres no pressure to it

instead they should have you play a hand of poker against chatGPT who will always end by going all in

[wintry tendon]

i think most people feel some pressure in interviews

[half valve]

Ngmi if u feel pressure in interviews

[silent axle]

would you guys take swe at sig or swe at amazon

[tranquil wagon]

What part of Amazon

[silent axle]

Junior year intern

I’m not in this situation rn but im going to amazon in nyc this summer (so idk what team) and i have sig discovery day so if i grind getting sig swe next year is possible

but im wondering which one is more worth it

@fossil willow @tranquil wagon

[tranquil wagon]

If you want to be in the quant industry do sig, if you enjoy Amazon this summer then maybe stick with that

Idrk just decide what you wanna do

Neither is more “worth it” imo

[silent axle]

yea but it’s probable so just wondering ab it rn

how does sig swe stack up to rest of quant dev?

nah im a sophomore

but i’d get sig interview for junior internship

[analog ravine]

I’m guessing it is but just asking is imc launchpad oa auto?

[analog ravine]

^

[brisk ingot]

trading might be, but idt swe is

don't quote me on it, just from observations

[weary nacelle]

It’s funny af that you tagged my boy @fossil willow The leading voice on quant 💀

[little oxide]

Yo

[little oxide]

Some recognizable faces here

Mr beast from the east here too💀💀💀

[little oxide]

No way u here too😂

[night cove]

Bruh ain't no way I just got a deshaw interview

Ok what do they ask

Anyone know

Probably some math oly stuff we cooked

Thx bro

W we love to see it

Is it behavioral? Idk

Ah

Idk what's in it 💀

[night cove]

Thx

[night cove]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-sad-despair-gif-25732605

[night cove]

"Hire" 💀

[night cove]

2 days ago

[brave vessel]

what is that like an autism filter?

[tranquil wagon]

For this summer?

[night cove]

next

this summer is roblox szn

[tranquil wagon]

Dang that’s crazy that the apps are open this early

Congrats on the interview

[night cove]

yeah ikr pretty weird

[night cove]

thx

[tranquil wagon]

Are any other notable firms open already?

[night cove]

5r winternship?

[tranquil wagon]

Gotcha

[little oxide]

Stop the cap

Nateussy

[little oxide]

No one tell him

[night quartz]

!problems databricks

[edgy bane]

!problems can only be used in #leetcode-bot

[night quartz]

!problems snowflake

[edgy bane]

!problems can only be used in #leetcode-bot

[twin cloud]

Who wants this box

Im literally gonna throw it away

Doing some spring cleaning

[midnight scroll]

🤓

[neon mirage]

Orz

[night cove]

Prop trading

[night cove]

im not 🔥

no idea what this will entail so we just ballin

[brisk ingot]

its legit the prop trading intern

[sinful kernel]

dm me im in Desco process rn

[little oxide]

Send it to me

[little oxide]

U gon get cooked

It's not qt tho desco has only qr

[unreal swift]

aight

[night cove]

Again, prop trading

[little oxide]

Maybe Last one lol would have got time limit exceeded

[little oxide]

shut yo ugly ass up

lmao its for full time too

algo dev intern also has 4 questions in OA

so i assume its same shit

lets ask him directly

@hoary pendant what was in those 4 problems?

[little oxide]

String what

[twin cloud]

if you live in NY i’ll give you a citadel blanket for free

i never used it

i have a bunch of citadel trash that i never wear in public

[midnight scroll]

im buildiny my quant larp room

citadel sheets, jane street pillow, HRT toilet seat cover

[twin cloud]

i have a bunch of swag that i’ve never worn out in public

i only wear the cit shoes bc the logo isn’t that obvious

[little oxide]

Can u ship it

I will pay the shipping fee

[rose holly]

Hi, has anyone interviewed for Optiver SWE? Is LC prep useful?

[thin bramble]

citadel has arcteryx?

[little oxide]

Whats arcteryx

[thin bramble]

https://arcteryx.com/us/en

[rose holly]

If that’s true that shits hard😭😭🔥

[ruby fog]

no

[analog ravine]

what position and year for arrowstreet?

[analog ravine]

oh wow didnt know they were still hiring

[little oxide]

looks ugly shoes brand

[little oxide]

Akuna is one trade away from becoming a janitor at my crib

Avoid them

[buoyant hatch]

is anyone getting OA's these days?

[proud fossil]

Only you

[tranquil wagon]

Only me?

[weary nacelle]

hi

[rose holly]

Frontend developer

PM intern

[half valve]

Janitor

Ng janitor is 300k base i think

[weary nacelle]

link?

[gentle pagoda]

Hi, anyone had (or will have) an interview to Squarepoint (desk quant)?

[weary nacelle]

link?

[brisk ingot]

not until offer idts

apparently they've been asking high school graduation date this year? Didn't for me, but heard they did for others

i mean if u can graduate early u can prob get away it

not sure tho

[midnight scroll]

parroting what others said here before but IMC cares about grad date

[summer stone]

i'll buy it off you and meet you in person

[quasi orbit]

they didnt use to

until 2022 no one return

[brisk ingot]

heard last year there were a ton of sophomores asking for return internships

prolly why they got mad/changed it

rip

[brisk ingot]

cit doesn't check

or atleast just say u grad 2025 and your fine

[twin cloud]

dm me

[rose holly]

what does citadel "additional technical screen" after VO mean

[brisk ingot]

means they're on the fence abt you

[rose holly]

i'm gapped

[brisk ingot]

ngl it's a good situation

just gotta do good in the interview

atleast you know fs what the bar is atp

[rose holly]

[deep cargo]

how long did it take for u to hear back after the VO

for the additional tech

[rose holly]

little over a week

[sour python]

if you dont mind me asking, could you send your anonymized resume to me?

im also looking to apply to IMC

[restive oxide]

I got an email for online assessment for DoorDash.
Does anyone have any idea on that.
Please help me out on how to prepare for it.
Thank you

[sour python]

sent req!

[analog ravine]

wait @brisk ingot could you send to me too, also interested

[deep cargo]

wait @VoiD could you send to me too, also interested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brisk ingot]

only sending it to the person with the most !'s

[deep cargo]

surely i win im the only one with any !

stop

u alr have cit u larper

👿

[analog ravine]

just curious on the process of you developing the website, how do you know like, for example, that the top 75 section is accurate? In general, how did you come up with which problems to focus on?

[rancid flare]

brother u do not know quant firms

my interview with akuna recently was 2 problems straight out of green book

these questions haven't been patched since the 2008 publication date

[analog ravine]

oh yeah also another follow up, how is your website better/different from the green book @tepid star

[rancid flare]

cuz it's not a book ?

@tepid star just did an interview with imc, lemme see ur imc questions to see if ur legit

[analog ravine]

i mean like yeah but whats the difference between just reading it on this persons website or just reading a pdf of the green book if its the same content

[rancid flare]

can't tell if ur srs

if u wanna read ur pdf then go read ur pdf

where u interview at?

top firm

friend just interviewed at JS at said he got this exact problem in one of his interviews
https://quantessential.io/problems/river-length

but replace river with escalator

intern tho not new grad

yeah was r1 true

little condescending no?

did u make JS final round?

then just practice enough problems till ur actually good at prob/stats

[analog ravine]

wait i lowkey was. im just like actually curious bc then i mean you're right ill keep reading the book lmao

but if there's like a different/more benefit from the website then i would just use that

[rancid flare]

for me, book is kinda annoying where u have to adjust ur scroll so u don't actually see solution

no difficulty guide which was hard when i first started

fewer problems to practice from

[analog ravine]

ah i see ok thanks

[rancid flare]

also no hints

only ~20-30 people out of thousands aren't bots?

u a bot bro?

[analog ravine]

outside of green book what did you do to prep @rose holly

[rancid flare]

don't think ur qualified to comment on the interview process then for quant firms in general

cool bro!

any actual useful advice u wanna give or u just wanna stroke ur ego?

what's ur advice then if not practice problems and study? be born smart and be born "not a bot"?

bro's calling everyone who's not in JS final a bot

saying stuff like u can't get alpha on interviews

which is just blatantly false

is studying not alpha?

clearly 5r ain't a top firm

if that's ur definition of alpha

all quant firms with alpha are cheating then?

i've seen math, econ, cs, stats, physics mainly

literally half of quant firms

also 5r perf is doggy

how much u paid as an intern?

pretty much only stats and probabilities, plus u play some games

ur insecure or smth

i know a guy at 5r rn

it's nowhere close to that

u said having alpha for an interview is knowing the problems in advance thereby cheating

ur saying "alpha = cheating"

all quant firms with alpha are cheating?

so studying for interviews is alpha because u have an advantage

?

5r trader brain btw

not correctly

clearly

radix > js > hrt > cit pay

ok maybe u don't count algo engineer at hrt a trader

then radix > js > cit > 5r

[candid cradle]

@rose holly how do u recommend to practice if not quantessential.io and not green book

i heard returning interns get 625k+ tho

oh i see

why not quantessential.io if it has more problems?

just curious

but green book > quantguide or nah?

[deep cargo]

just do both

[candid cradle]

kk

any advice for later round interviews? that's where i usually get rejected

i looked at both qg and quantessential. don't think i'll pay but for the free version i think quantessential is cleaner

yeah swe interviews are kinda dumb

legit just straight off leetcode

but i used to do cp so it's chill for me

quant interviews a different beast tho

kk true. is it enough to just do problems to get intuition to pass final round?

[rancid flare]

ok mb u right

spoke with some buddies doing trading

indeed it's cit > 5r > js

but they did say some of their pre-final round interviews questions came from green book / qg / quantessential.io

[rancid flare]

but ye i agree, just practice any list of problems. goal is not to memorize tho and just build intuition

[haughty hinge]

That’s an actual definition of alpha if we talk about interview questions. It’s used as a term in TQD. So like knowing that sig has easy qs but rejects if u make a counting mistake is alpha

@rose holly just don’t waste energy lol

^

Same perception

[ruby fog]

congrats

[ruby fog]

let him cook man

he been cooking in here after his offer

[deep cargo]

Just grind now and stop bitching

Yeah but that’s cuz I actually like swe lol

💀

[ruby fog]

i’m horrible

[vernal hornet]

ballgoat

[weary nacelle]

no prestige

if its not quant then its cooked

arent you the guy dipping on IBM

what are we

i will be seeing you in mclean

do you have motion rn

or are you currently just scheming

[little oxide]

Hmmmm

Interesting

[little oxide]

Cooked him😂😂

[little oxide]

💀

[little oxide]

Yeah cringe

[little oxide]

Cook him

[little oxide]

Cooked him again

[little oxide]

They released 2020 version but didn't update it lmao

[little oxide]

🤣 @rose holly he cooked u

We not paying 50 dollars a month lil bro when we can get all these problems for free

[merry saddle]

Mind me asking, where did you find quantessential.io

[little oxide]

Hey bro send me discord I have great feedback for u

Buddy

@merry saddle

[coarse blaze]

Yo

[merry saddle]

These questions are a blatant rip from quantguide

Didn't even bother changing the question names

[coarse blaze]

Bros charging more for a qg ripoff 💀

[little oxide]

The cooking starts now

@merry saddle go ahead

[little oxide]

Gotta prove bro

Can't put allegations like that

[merry saddle]

I'll let someone else reach out to him

[little oxide]

Yeah snitch on him

Beat his ass

Give him what he wants

[merry saddle]

Yea literally the same question name and prompts

[coarse blaze]

Lmaooo at least charge less

[night cove]

Bros bouta get sued

[little oxide]

no way

[little oxide]

u r the culprit too

[little oxide]

😭

@tepid star gotta answer bro

bro really thought we wouldnt notice

[torpid saddle]

drop-shipping a website is hilarious

[merry saddle]

Yes

You can also input the answers on quantguide to see if they're correct

[little oxide]

Scam

[little oxide]

💀

[flat oxide]

What are y'all's endgames? Is there a specific dream role you are working for?

[deep cargo]

Retiring early

[twin verge]

ios engineer @ ramp

[brisk ingot]

big oil lobbyist

[plain ivy]

after starting ng, whats the min amt of time to wait b4 job hopping?

[deep cargo]

better chance of getting into uiuc than that chief

[twin verge]

negative time tbh, renege them for better

[deep cargo]

👎

[sour python]

WAGMI

[vague sentinel]

A year is a solid chunk of time, if u work for less than a year it might not count as a yoe towards your progression

But ofc if the job is rly bad u just gotta get out when u can

[little oxide]

u mean expected amount of time?

[stone vector]

you think

[obtuse moth]

anyone know what schonfeld oa is like

[quasi hazel]

Anyone from BCG who could provide me a referral please

[vague forge]

address the allegations bro 😭 @tepid star

[merry saddle]

They don't

They know what they're doing is wrong too

But for everyone here that would like the original which gets updated routinely with more questions written by people that actually know the subject matter, visit https://www.quantguide.io/

It's also cheaper lol

[vague forge]

wait

they were charging for it?

thats crazy

[merry saddle]

Yea they're charging 50/month when quantguide.io charges 35/month with the most expensive plan

Honestly just feel bad for the people they advertise to. Like the others have said in here already, it's literally a dropshipped version of quantguide and it's worse lol

[vague forge]

dropshipping websites is crazy

[midnight scroll]

calculator app

mern stack

[brisk ingot]

weather app

[midnight scroll]

unironically making this for school project

weather app 🔥 im gonna get that 400k TC next year

power trading seems interesting

[merry saddle]

what sorta model

[midnight scroll]

one of the profs I had was doing a research paper on alternative energy market

[merry saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/power-jeremy-fragrance-gif-7621753315283580988

[midnight scroll]

Probably a graphcast clone, or some more traditional model

Depends how ngmi our group is

[brisk ingot]

🐢

[midnight scroll]

read a couple of papers about a modified graphcast model for small resolution regions that seemed interesting

wonder how they pay

[merry saddle]

can always fall back on SARIMA

[vague forge]

to do list project

[rose holly]

Does sig care about gpa?

[merry saddle]

Up to an extent

[rose holly]

Like what

[merry saddle]

If it's above 3.5, you're prob fine

[sturdy steeple]

yes

[sturdy steeple]

bro stop gatekeeping da latinas

[deep cargo]

u go to dartmouth stop 🧢

[midnight scroll]

uiuc is for the asians sorry

[sturdy steeple]

nah i've heard rumors

[sturdy steeple]

fake news

[midnight scroll]

Its kinda crazy that almost a quarter of a schools population is international for a state school

[short sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-no-way-parallel-unit-holy-guacamole-gif-25696227

[midnight scroll]

I got interview with SIG with a 3.6 so the GPA bar aint 3.7 at least

[neat summit]

QSWE?

[midnight scroll]

yes

[somber orbit]

headhunter?

[little oxide]

And what is that firm?

[midnight scroll]

SIG

lowkey SIG has one of the cooler abbreviations out of all the firms

just looks nice

(hire me)

[half valve]

Rentech

[little oxide]

Yeah but pronouncing is pain in ass

If u just say SIG people would be like what

And if u try saying susquehanna ain't nobody got time for that

[gilded quartz]

anyone knows if imc has blacklist for bombing OAs? i wanna do swe but got a trading OA

[brisk ingot]

nah

they don’t

[rose holly]

how long until i can reinterview at citadel

(fumbled my extra tech)

[weary nacelle]

Would re applying twice with a different gpa get me blacklisted 💀

Yeah I never did oa but I def would have been screened either way lol

just curious if it would hurt to try now lol

[low mural]

i doubt

for next cycle

[weary nacelle]

was hopping for fall I know they’re doing hella fall ints rn

a shot, I know it’s insane LMAO

Alright Ty

Hope you land it 🫡

My goal for this fall is to do at least two quant interviews but I know I’m cooked on school name and gpa lol

[low mural]

dont know anything ab

[weary nacelle]

Bet any firms I should be targeting specifically? I know HRT/Jump/JS is unattainable for me lol

I’m cool with being a qswe lmao

[weary nacelle]

Ty for the answers I sent you a dm 🙏🏽

On it thanks chief

[midnight scroll]

Why is the qt resume screen lower ?

Less applicants?

Unfortunately I am ngmi at anything math

unless I somehow grind and turn into a genius over the summer

[uncut steeple]

whats the gpa cutoff for cit

god knows how many times i applied

[uncut steeple]

lol

[uncut steeple]

thanks , can i ask the source

[half valve]

Vouch on this i had the same dream

[uncut steeple]

isn't qt p intense

eg. you don't make money you're fired

idk how it works at shops like jane ( never heard of anyone getting fired there before)

maybe jane's strats+infra is so strong u can't lose money as a trader

other option is u just don't get fired if u lose money (see: caroline ellison's interview)

[winged dove]

I mean it makes sense

[uncut steeple]

what does that even mean

if you don't make money you don't make money

doesn't matter if you're a fields medalist if u don't make money

is that just translation for they don't fire ppl

[midnight scroll]

I think it means that to even get an offer you have to meet a level of standard

so it's very difficult to troll the job if you've met the hiring standard already

[vague sentinel]

That's how any top tier company works tbh

No interview process is perfect but taking the absolute best is gonna probably get u people way over the level u need

[little oxide]

false positives 😂 bro did too much bayes problems

[neon mirage]

Is LinkedIn premium worth It

[ruby fog]

no

[neon mirage]

I used it up a long time ago I didn’t really maximize its utilities lol

[neon mirage]

Bet presh

[little oxide]

Definitely worth it

[ruby fog]

excellent

[half valve]

what role ddi u get

[brisk ingot]

drw

[ruby fog]

Dr. Aight

[little oxide]

neither

[rose holly]

drw and im swe

[rose holly]

I'd probably say aws ngl

Haven't heard great things about montreal office for drw

[little oxide]

Fr

[clear sparrow]

drw newgrad is 🥜

[terse barn]

huh

how much

is it not like 300k

oh what

[fast gazelle]

Montreal is peanuts

anything Canada is 🥜

[clear sparrow]

amazon pays more in canada

[brave vessel]

how come hft shops done lose money from seg faults and shit

[rose holly]

matt godbolt

[deep cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/evangeliobe-gif-20831072

My idol

[terse barn]

LOL

virtu bought them right

well after they merged

[late hedge]

What website do yall use to find out quant dev , quant traders salary other than levels fyi

[brave vessel]

I didn't think that was a seg fault

[quasi orbit]

i wonder where hs is now

[late hedge]

Full time

[broken yarrow]

has anyone done Jane Street puzzle for this month?

[little oxide]

Not reading allat bro💀

[little oxide]

Yes

[late hedge]

ah ok thanks mate!

[rose holly]

do you guys make a lot of money compared to general developers

[neat summit]

It's not about the money

[broken yarrow]

Can I send my answer to verify if it’s correct ?

[broken yarrow]

I did last week

I was genuinely confused where my answer was wrong

[clear sparrow]

its about providing liquidity

[thin bramble]

I want to bring liquidity to the markets because I believe that by working as a software engineer in quant hft, I can truly make a positive impact on the world. When I help maintain market liquidity, I'm essentially ensuring that the financial gears run smoothly and efficiently.

You know, it's about more than just numbers on a screen. It's about helping individuals, businesses, and even entire economies thrive. By ensuring that buyers and sellers can easily connect and trade, I'm contributing to a fairer and more transparent marketplace. This means that when someone wants to invest their hard-earned money or a company wants to raise funds for expansion, they can do so without unnecessary hurdles.

Reducing transaction costs might not sound glamorous, but it's a big deal for everyday people and institutional investors alike. Imagine being able to invest your savings without worrying about hefty fees eating into your returns. That means more money in your pocket to achieve your dreams and plan for the future.

Also, think about the times when the market gets turbulent. By maintaining liquidity, I'm actually helping to prevent wild price swings and sudden crashes. This stability isn't just important for Wall Street; it directly impacts the pension funds, retirement accounts, and life savings of people all over the world. Knowing that their financial security is being looked after brings peace of mind to countless individuals.

So, when I say I want to bring liquidity to the markets, it's not just about algorithms and trading strategies. It's about making a positive difference in people's lives – giving them more control over their financial futures, supporting stable markets, and fostering a stronger global economy. That's what motivates me, and that's what makes me truly happy about the work I do.

[quartz knot]

number go up --> good

[thin bramble]

are we all just glorified slot machine players

[rose holly]

Really? then how about doing it for free? No compensation, no bonuses. Just your helping spirit.

[thin bramble]

this is obviously, not written by me

it's posted here some 7 months ago

[weary nacelle]

Link?

[thin bramble]

#general message

[little oxide]

Not reading allat yap

[brave vessel]

Wouldn't market makers bring liquidity not hft? Hft just exploits arbitrage which u can argue makes prices slightly more accurate

[thin bramble]

I assume most hft firms would run some market making, and market making firms also do arbitrage

[brave vessel]

Something like hrt is mostly hft tho right

[uneven narwhal]

got rejected by wolverine after getting 100% on the c++ swe hackerrank lmfao

[simple crest]

Thanks for saving me 150 minutes of my life

I’m gonna watch the Wolverine movie instead

[midnight scroll]

You and a few hundred others unfortunately, it just be that way with auto OAs

always a gamble to see if its worth wasting the time

[peak egret]

anyone hear back for cit datathon?

[void sable]

Y same

When does Akuna stop hiring for August 2024 new grad?

[peak egret]

great movie btw

[stray sentinel]

They’re still hiring?

[hazy hawk]

Do any quants have off season

[ruby fog]

no

[tranquil wagon]

One of them does a winter mini internship thing

Idr which

[peak egret]

peak6

5 rings

still salty i tossed the peak6 one

[midnight scroll]

peak6 is Female only iirc

or is that for their summer internships

Old Mission also did a winter one (I nuked the OA)

[weary nacelle]

That shit was aids ngl

[midnight scroll]

im too ngmi for these companies

[weary nacelle]

Genuinely same

[terse barn]

what are yg thoughts on virtu

[peak egret]

nah they had like a 1/2 week long boot camp

[midnight scroll]

Ah ok

Jokes aside what are the most like well known firms outside of the industry

I had no clue Optiver existed till college

[peak egret]

there might very well be a female only thig im not familiar w

[midnight scroll]

but like everyone and their mother I presume knows Jane Street

[peak egret]

cap lol

[midnight scroll]

I think their summer roles are

ok those that are familiar with quant

[peak egret]

qf is a pretty niche industry all things considered

[peak egret]

well yeah ok fair enough

[midnight scroll]

like for me at least I only really knew of Citadel, Jane Street, Two Sigma

[peak egret]

theres a lot

lowkey some of the lesser known ones do some really cool stuff

[ruby fog]

i had no clue internships were a thing

[peak egret]

issok im too stupid for any of these places

[stray sentinel]

Definitely not de

[neon mirage]

Ppl think citadel is the uni lol

[next rampart]

is there a sig discord

or intern chat or something

[buoyant elbow]

is there path to transition to quants positions being associate data scientist ?