I do
#quants-n-traders
floral locust
modest sleet
Does anyone know a really good book for networking? ( style similar to OSTEP ideally )
modest sleet
http://gaia.cs.umass.edu/kurose_ross/lectures.php
Thanks!
fair yew
yup, this year was their first QT intern class though
They have post-trade analysis, but not the traditional trader role.
broken thorn
tbh id just brute force check every possible num of black balls and solve for white
assume 2, then plug super simple formula to find white, then do 4 and 6 etc till i get to black ball num>my best total ball
for the sketchiest proof by "dude trust my brute force"
chilly garnet
I'm really trying to get into hedge funds as a software engineer. I have 4+ years of software engineering experience. If there is anyone who can refer me to their company, I can DM you my resume and a job posting. I'm open to any major city in the US and I have authorization to work in US. Thanks!
lost stratus
Doesnt like everyone pass tower resume screen or did you mean qr
What do they look for
lost stratus
Has anyone heard of "Dark Forest Technologies"
Seems to be a systematic firm
Founder is ex Bridgewater
lost stratus
Wow very helpful
Yeah i saw all the public info already
I tried reaching out but the guy j said my backround doesnt match their current needs rn
They are probs looking for more qr ppl
Idk actually
Yeah
Wait actually wdym by this
Oh you mean like their people
Lol coinbase also thinks of itself as a "decentralized company"
Did you see this lol
Connection to rentec 🤔
empty burrow
I've got an algorithm engineer interview for HRT coming up soon, anyone have any advice about how to prepare?
lost stratus
Do you know what they look for
0
Still got an interview for 2 different roles that i had 0 relevant experience with
Which one
Are there any big ones besides virtu and citadel
And gts
Jane street is a mm?
Wait mm means market maker right
weary path
tower is also an mm and relies on speed
js is mm but not fully latency reliant and makes money by taking more risks, so quite a bit of manual intervention is needed
also the reason why the traders dont leave the desk unless they have to use the toilet.
i think usually HFT refers to props who’s edge is speed, i.e they make money by mainly being faster than their competitors.
but ofc there might be different definitions🤷♂️
long raft
What’s so important about TA? Like at my uni if you get an A they will send you an automated email and ask if you want to be TA 😂
long raft
Yeah as a TA all you do is check assignments, monitor the forums, answer questions if students have them in discussion sessions.
So as long as you did understand the topics you learned when taking the course (which they assume you did when getting an A) you are good enough to do this
storm ember
this is the strat i would go for @primal shell. for a concrete procedure for generating candidate values, use the continued fraction approximations for sqrt(1/2)
storm ember
using this procedure, the next smallest solution after 21 balls is 697 balls: 493 white and 204 black. then the next is 23661, with 16731 white balls and 6930 black balls
storm ember
very simple. the continued fraction for sqrt(1/2) is periodic too, its just [0;1,2,2,2,2,2...].
so one approximation would be, for instance, 0 + 1/(1 + 1/(2 + 1/(2+ 1/(2 + 1/2)))), notated [0;1,2,2,2,2]
which is 29/41
you just keep adding layers to get better approximations
broken thorn
What’s so important about TA? Like at my uni if you get an A they will send you ...
are y asking why important on resume, or why for schools
i think its obvious whu schools need them, and the reason it looks good on resume imo is
long raft
are y asking why important on resume, or why for schools
Resume + for companies
broken thorn
u have to be so far above and beyond the A level knowledge to be a good TA
long raft
i think its obvious whu schools need them, and the reason it looks good on resum...
for schools I see why its important to have them. There is no doubt they need them 😂
broken thorn
u need to be able to explain the difficult concept to stupid freshman/sophomores (of which you used to be)
knowing ds is one thing
knowing leetcode is one thing
concisely explaining why a bst matters to someone whos never heard of time complexity before because they slept through the previous 5 lectures? thats not easy
tulip sapphire
Yeah as a TA all you do is check assignments, monitor the forums, answer questio...
i think this is school dependent, at some universities TAs do basically what lecturers do wrt content creation, infra, and teaching (in addition to what you said above)
i feel like ML experience is the easiest to bs cuz people who've taken a class that covers least squares can put yes with 0 pubs/relevant internships
broken thorn
is there a wah to write ols in vector form? i can't find it online
short patio
worth to take a masters to try again at quant?
I don't have any quant exp, could try recruiting for intern next summer and then ft summer after, but if I graduate 2024 only can try for FT
short patio
yhes
quasi orbit
I mean everyone simps for quant but honestly big tech is alr really good
you can definitely still live nicely off 200k tc lol
short patio
I'm thinking next year I recruit for FT for SWE, and then intern for quant firms
and decide after I get offers
lost leaf
People only simp over quant because they only see FY
the 50 swe people at the top firms making 600k are giving too many mid people hopium
runic grotto
the 50 swe people at the top firms making 600k are giving too many mid people ho...
How do we know we're mid or top 
short patio
the 50 swe people at the top firms making 600k are giving too many mid people ho...
eh I don't want 600k, I just think I'd enjoy systems programming more anyway
and the pay is njcie
lost leaf
How do we know we're mid or top <:thonk:817833892571775027>
if you need to ask youre probably mid
(i am bottom tier cope)
people are way too used to big tech HC. these quant firms get a metric ton of applicants for like 20 seats.
correct me if im wrong but amazon had like 7k seats last year.
if you would do well in quant you'd do even better in tech with the work ethic (hopium and copium)
post promo the pay diff isnt even that insane
short patio
really? I'd rather be doing c++ stuff at HRT, just for the sake of the technical challenge / stack than big tech doing whatever
if I get some low latency c++ stuff at big tech, that'd be good too
I mean yeah, but unfortunately openings are sparse
yeah and they pay doggy water
I had an embedded and another offer but comp is just not great at all
c++ grind time
runic grotto
They work at Waymo while teaching?
short patio
right, but there are maybe 10-20 waymo like companies that pay similar
lost leaf
really? I'd rather be doing c++ stuff at HRT, just for the sake of the technical...
doesnt most of google work with C++? same w nvda (cuda), bbg, etc
short patio
meanwhile any big tech under the sun hires full stack
lost leaf
nvidia research is a low level simp's wet dream
@quiet meadow thoughts on this
i thought google let their employees contribute to projects other than just on their team a bit (i have never worked at google so if someone can confirm or deny that would be nice)
big tech just seems a lot more flexible
i have an arty a7 that's just rotting in my closet
should probably do something with it 4head
void bone
modest sleet
C++ is the biggest language at Google
Though I’m not sure what the margin is as all of the big 5 languages are used quite a lot
pearl spade
if u do amazon then switch to bbg ull get like maybe a couple k increase to high 200
if u do bloomberg then switch to amazon ull get the monster SDE2 offer which is 400k since amazon needs bodies to fill for higher SDE's
if ur good enough to get bloomberg after their late stage stack ranks, ur good enough to succeed at amazon
broken thorn
nah sde2 process insanely hard
not like ng
no clue
prolly just like 4 rounds of lc/sysdesign on final day
royal forge
Bro💀
obtuse flame
Hmmm tough call but if you are more interested in c++ and finance then bb maybe
zenith maple
renaissance man
wintry tendon
dapper iris
probably considering i got one while still not knowing what it is 😂
fast gazelle
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Goals
That person is now my role model
No way
Its radix
The only explanation is they are cracked
It says mentorship
I also know that person irl
We went to the same hs
I just know shes really good at what she does
royal forge
early prodigies don't go to umass boston 😂
she might've been fouled by college apps though
last herald
up to interviewer
unironically I had a friend get two-sum first round
err I think it was 3 sum
either way
whole abyss
Has anyone given akunas vidcruiter video interview?
runic grotto
Really?
Holy shit this discord has a lot of people in it
👀
Went from USAMO to USOMO
Did it end up working out
Wait do college admissions know the diff between the mop groups
runic grotto
Is the transfer process that straightfowards? I thought transferring into a top school from a CC was hella hard
Well it says mentorships but idk what that means
pearl spade
That person is now my role model
wait wasnt she ur gf tho?
for college admissions yea
bar is high these last few yrs lol
only UC i could get into was merced
OOS schools wanted my money so i went out
runic grotto
What’s up with that high school?
obtuse flame
I see a world where she networked like crazy to get someone at scale to mentor her
Then somehow passing the Dropbox resume screen through various means
Could be cold email or polishing her resume in a certain way
Prob cold email and marketing herself
lost stratus
I’m just going to point out that 99.99% of college kids don’t try to either
Why
That’s for people who don’t work
obtuse flame
If u grind as an ad u become partner
What exactly does it mean to be partner? You make enough contributions you just take a decent part of the company’s share?
floral locust
It means 🤑🤑🤑
obtuse flame
I see a world where she networked like crazy to get someone at scale to mentor h...
Also her Dropbox apprentice ship seems a bit sus tbh, not sure what program that is
Then no one is a partner 
We need lowly workers
floral locust
I think generally you’re trying to shoot for the highest beta from contribution to bonus
Whether that just be in pure bonus or being able to put bonus in fund idk
Rly?
obtuse flame
Why do I feel like rentech is just scamming the public fund and making money with their internal one lol
lost leaf
you also got past tcs screen 
lost stratus
The Accenture -> quant pipeline is real
obtuse flame
Also saw a SWE/qr hybrid at sig
So sig SWE isn’t that pepega
Yeah
Too much variables to know
Entry level I mean
Not sure how it scales
No shot lol
lost stratus
Headlands research swe -> headlands qr
obtuse flame
Entry level sig pays more than cit?
Is that person the future savior of sig
Yeah 100%
Or they’re a secret god
atomic briar
do you guys believe everything you see on the internet
obtuse flame
do you guys believe everything you see on the internet
Of course
Like you’re a penguin
Because your pfp
atomic briar
exactly
obtuse flame
Cit is a good bet then
lost leaf
do you guys believe everything you see on the internet
yes
obtuse flame
The logic never lies
obtuse flame
Yeah it’s not +EV
viscid gale
Ask HR to switch roles for FT
runic grotto
Have you ever had the clueless emote successfully embed for you here
floral locust
The fashion dude?
leaden temple
whats so special about qre
devout spruce
loo op
lost stratus
if Radix Trading actually hired someone from nepotism I'm going to change my name to not be radix simp anymore
runic grotto
if *Radix Trading* actually hired someone from nepotism I'm going to change my n...
What would you simp instead
lost stratus
What would you simp instead
Citadel
runic grotto
^
fringe flint
does my $1300 meta portfolio count as a quant firm
runic grotto
does my $1300 meta portfolio count as a quant firm
It counts as 2
weary path
😦
barren steeple
2 bs???
bro tf
college applications aint that deep
i got 21 Bs and got into decent schools
gentle meadow
lmao duke is mid bro
unc is worse
NCSU is the move
wait is that public?
I’m not a quant trader
but shit didn’t add up
zenith maple
true, it's like 90% of !process jane street offer
edgy baneBOT
You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_grad_process
zenith maple
gentle meadow
the group is good
my fav song
that’s good too
I didn’t really like antifragile as much lol
I didn’t see the hype around it
never seen it but I will take ur word for it
I been listening to bol4 lately
the song that started all of it
they are ok
rest of the songs are kinda mid
the only one that I like
are the one in SS
I never liked nmixx lol
ive is decent
I like after like and love dive
I like gaeul
the short hair cut from gaeul won me over ngl
😩😩😩😩
NICE
tbh I don’t follow college sports
I just leetcode at hunt and eat ass
I was gonna join but I don’t have time for it
been on my glowup arc rn
wait r we connected
TF
who r u
yea I got bored
I’m like at 9K connections 
ok I got 1/9972 chances
lol I found ya
haha u will never figure out how I know lol
I’m actually from the same school
I don’t go to NCSU lol
actually
yea I’m been tar heels since day one
Ty Ty
I will drop it when the glowup happens
for now, I’m chunky rn
factz
once I get my google and cit offer
no one can stop me when I get rip and hot
play store
bruh I don’t know if I hear back until march 6th at the earliest
recruiter is out
Ty
yea I’m school rn
obtuse flame
lol if she lied to get the attention of companies then dam
gentle meadow
Pat is bad recruiter that got cc
obtuse flame
crazy hustle
gentle meadow
Lol I did full time school and internship
Quite painful at the very least
She might put American name
My name on my LinkedIn isn’t my real name
I used viet name for everything else
obtuse flame
last name should be same tho?
gentle meadow
kumar does appear as Indian name tho
so hard to verify that’s the person
She could put down american name
yea I’m actually William Lin
lost stratus
There were 90 people from dougherty valley high school who were accepted into uc berkely for the fall of 2019
dawn frigate
what's the sol for this
dawn frigate
yeah I can't figure this out
looks like there are 3-7 main parent nodes , then [1,5,9,7,1] ways to arrange them from [7..3]
floral wyvern
hi everyone
please refrain from posting the socials of other members of our server without their permission
boreal hound
yall
wat is the best way to get into quant
i dont go to a t10 school
but i do go a t50 school, and I have a faang on my resume. My gpa is low tho (3.3)
is it possible to get into citadel, radix, jane street, etc?
boreal hound
give it to me straight doc
what if i just dont put gpa on resume
or do they ask for it lol
i just wanna get to the interview in the first place lol
lmao
i actually had a phone screen with them
sig
i didnt get an offer tho😭
i missed my chance to get into quant lol
no target?
ill apply to any quant lol
true lol
maybe i shoulda tried harder to get into an ivy
lol
my school is good but not much name recognition
lmao
im horni for quant tho lol
nah im junior
well i dont wanna be quant, i wanna be SWE at a quant firm
i mean the answer is obvious lol
rose holly
not all of them pay like cit
boreal hound
ya, so im really only interested if they will pay more than faang
sig paid way more than faang
obtuse flame
JS SWE scales good
boreal hound
or would have
boreal hound
they had a 10k sign on bonus for interns
obtuse flame
but most prob don't get that high at 5yoe
boreal hound
it wasnt comparable
boreal hound
some faang have terrible WLB
obtuse flame
then just buy long options if you're that bullish
idt scale has a bright future
you pick a failed unicorn, the earning is a BIG diff
they're trying to do more stuff with the data but yea valuation is sus
well why not go for JS/HRT then since you earn average more
it def doesn't scale the same, traders eat
runic grotto
A year or so back I remember it was 92
rose holly
meh
obtuse flame
ya my point is that internal promo growth is a lot less than you think, you're forced to hop jobs otherwise you're underpaid
outside of meta not really
trader ceiling is a lot higher tho (obv you have to be good tho)
good trader >> good swe in pay
ya true, bezos did that kek
if you're in a swe focused shop for sure
rng is crazy ngl
runic grotto
if you're in a swe focused shop for sure
Which are swe focused?
obtuse flame
tho JS is more trader oriented
atomic briar
JS roles are so nebulous it's hard to make any statements on pay
but also I really don't like when people think like this
swe and traders both make enough money to never worry about money
I mean facts
get your money up not your funny up
I mean ok
you're not gonna be happy in life with that mindset
assuming you're not trolling
oh is this radix simp
runic grotto
Does this assume 1+ million cars?
atomic briar
if the public school has more talent than a private school it's gonna be really competitive
like just a really stressful environment
but I get your point
yeah
that's the plus of a private school
more resources so not as competitive
also less sweats
we're talking about high schools
have you seen any bay area high school
what
mit literally takes all of the people that make public and private high schools competitive
so it's a little different
runic grotto
🤔
atomic briar
also I wouldn't exactly call mit competitive
what exactly are they competing for
grades maybe
yeah that's just a different concept
I wouldn't be happy at mit tho lol
but private schools have way more research available
kids at top schools can walk into research positions
faculty/student ratio makes it easy
quasi orbit
im also a magnet
tulip sapphire
inb4 someone says "this is doable at any firm, just make partner"
dawn frigate
whats the solution to this problem
runic grotto
Reminds me of the time I saw a post by a guy who said he’s paying to go to apple after buying employee options and stock crashed
quasi orbit
snowflake ipo
drifting pelican
Elaborate
short patio
yeah I think I've seen this person before
wait huh I wrote this like two weeks ago
dawn frigate
whats the solution to this problem
please answer this
lost stratus
Billionaires row apartments are usually 50m+ tho
Btw its pinned in this channel and i update it anytime i come across more
short patio
Btw its pinned in this channel and i update it anytime i come across more
http...
how many of those are worth applying to (read: pay at least 300K NG)
lost stratus
how many of those are worth applying to (read: pay at least 300K NG)
Probably the 20 or 30 that most people already know
There’s quite a few that ghosted me so I can’t be certain but they seem to be qr heavy so they could end up paying more who knows
short patio
Probably the 20 or 30 that most people already know
There’s quite a few that gh...
yeah I figured as much, but good list regardless
it's my silly little bar to figure out what's worth applying to, not what's considered good or whatever
I wouldn't work at quant shop for under 300k
lost stratus
What are all the 400k firms
lost leaf
What are all the 400k firms
the goldman sachs
lost stratus
TGS
Radix
Headlands
Aquatic
Citadel
Jane street
HRT
Jump
Tower
OMC
Five rings
Vatic Investments
Unlikely to hire you:
Boerboel
Spark IM
Am I missing any or are any of those wrong?
can vatic do 400k too?
lost leaf
do you want to work at the goldman sachs
lost stratus
What is this Goldman Sachs thing
lost leaf
What is this Goldman Sachs thing
i want to work at the goldman sachs
the DN division??
lost stratus
Goldman is a bank
It’s irrelevant
Okay tell me more
And do you have any other sources for this
I know
Im sure any quant adjacent type company is good for resume value
/work
floral locust
Sell side
lost stratus
Belvedere has data science?
lost leaf
And do you have any other sources for this
the goldman sachs
lost stratus
What is that
floral locust
Banks have the best vol qrs
quasi orbit
Waymo is bad
chilly echo
According to whom 
quasi orbit
Equity will not be liquid for a long time
chilly echo
Who cares
fast mountain
VP at GS is senior swe
Bruh
His advisor's papadimitriou
PhD under papadimitriou sounds way tougher than HRT lol
broken thorn
PhD under papadimitriou sounds way tougher than HRT lol
what make him special
dawn frigate
legend
still not sure how they come up with 23 though
@analog stratus it's not the same question
hexed swan
citadel NG software engineer position interview is it only in c++ or language independent
obtuse flame
citadel NG software engineer position interview is it only in c++ or language in...
language independent but interviewer may ask C++ questions
solar axle
Has anyone been through the process for hrt algo dev new grad?
Does hrt have a cutoff like cit?
rose holly
how would anyone know
boreal hound
do any quants/trading firms have fall positions open other than JS?
i know, but i already applied in sumer so It won't let me apply again
i mean I guess I could, but then Id have to make a new resume with that new email lmaoo
stiff flint
do u have a link to this?
lost stratus
do any quants/trading firms have fall positions open other than JS?
LinkedIn shows someone doing a fall internship at hilbert technologies
stiff flint
bet ty
lost leaf
There’s no fuckin way
Hilbert tech?? That’s insane
Cracked
Who tf names their kid whalur
lost stratus
LinkedIn shows someone doing a fall internship at hilbert technologies
I think i saw them do Xantium Group winter too but they were qr
@primal shell ?
So how deeply did you look into them that you said this?
What did you see in their websites or records or interviews with them
Curious to know
lost stratus
How does the name matter?
Like what about optiver or valkyrie or headlands those seem equally random
Any good headhunter can tell you about boerboel
Same with xantium group
Which is also affiliated with tudor
And tudor is a really well known firm
I just dont understand why xantium group suddenly seems fake
lost stratus
What abkut geneva
Yes but the name also could be a meme
No i just do it slightly more than the average person
rose holly
@lost stratus did you graduate yet?
lost stratus
Yeah but its established
"Edgefocus partners" look it up they do alot of credit trading
rose holly
i would work at Ass Capital if they paid enough idc
lost stratus
Founded by ex optiver tho
Also "enginers gate"
Most of these people dont even know about omc
rose holly
theyre good
rose holly
i don't think places like exoduspoint or engineers gate are better than faang
cyan sparrow
patronous capital sounds like a gas station
lost stratus
patronous capital sounds like a gas station
So does aqr whats your point
And sig tbh
cyan sparrow
So does aqr whats your point
Chill on aqr
They have nice logo
SIG is disgusting branding
rose holly
would you take aqr over faang?
lost stratus
If you get a 600k offer from arrowstreet are you gonna reject it because "the name sounds like a meme"
cyan sparrow
If you get a 600k offer from arrowstreet are you gonna reject it because "the na...
arrowstreet is nice
rose holly
i mean arrowstreets been around
lost stratus
Would you join a john street capital
rose holly
JAWN STREET CAPITAL
lost stratus
If i said seven eight capital before you said that im p sure everyone would think its a meme
rose holly
vio
lost stratus
Okay
proven steeple
I know Boerboel
cyan sparrow
@proven steeple thoughts on DN capital
proven steeple
I know Boerboel
The seed HFT teams
lost stratus
I know Boerboel
Are there any other firms not on my list that youre allowed to say in public
Nah its not lol, i spoke to someone there , i think he said something about hogging something so i think its more lkke edge and hog come together
To form the name
proven steeple
Are there any other firms not on my list that youre allowed to say in public
h...
Pretty long list
long raft
I know Boerboel
I always have to think about the dog race named exactly the same. They look kinda cute tbh
lost stratus
Pretty long list
Do you know of any others that I may not have covered?
raw glen
radix
opaque sable
they liked u so much that they want to meet u again :)
floral locust
Yours is not normal
Unexpected phones usually just means they have too many candidates not enough roles
floral locust
Yea they told u in advance. I’m referring to the case where you have to do more rounds than expected
Were you required to submit some writing thingy
Oh I thought u were talking about them
Did u just submit one of your thesis drafts?
final forge
I didn't know ASU got that scuffed RIP
nocturne estuary
weary path
Asuusa
pastel geyser
same tbh
broken thorn
there are no elite firms 😔
short patio
there are no elite firms 😔
any firm that I work at must be elite, any firm that rejects me must be dogshit
lost stratus
there are no elite firms 😔
Princeton newport partners is the best firm
broken thorn
Princeton newport partners is the best firm
the one professor who said i can do research under him is the best firm
lost stratus
Its ok tgs exists anyways
neat junco
two sigma recruiters usually reply you once every 2+ weeks this year
their mailbox is like a one-way pipe
atomic briar
the venn diagram of firms that care about tech and firms that use a football team as the background image for their website has very little overlap
also it's very telling that this section of careers is very last on their website
and there's no one in tech represented in "senior leadership"
so basically it just looks like a conventional asset management firm
worldly zealot
Anyone knows what prop shop/hedge fund recruits in Canada apart from Squarepoint and Tower?
obtuse flame
Anyone knows what prop shop/hedge fund recruits in Canada apart from Squarepoint...
DRW
obtuse flame
I thought they only hire swe here
i saw trader intern offers a while back, you can google yk
worldly zealot
i saw trader intern offers a while back, you can google yk
Tyty
lost stratus
Name the 20
civic raptor
fuckin nerd
lost stratus
Anyone knows what prop shop/hedge fund recruits in Canada apart from Squarepoint...
https://www.wil.com/
According to google^
DV Trading also operates in canada
rose holly
https://www.wil.com/
According to google^
DV Trading also operates in canada
are they good
lost stratus
are they good
Idk about the first one but dv trading is decent
rose holly
hows dv pay for swe
lost stratus
If they want to talk about ev, im sure they spend more than 5 hours a day awake not dedicated to quant prep thats so its not a good idea to think about
Okay i meant it toward people who dont get past every single resume screen just just by existing, there isnt anything bad about trying to find alternate ways into a quant firm theres alot of rng involved in recruting anyways
worldly zealot
I have a quant offer rn in montreal but I cannot go to the US in the next few years due to immigration issues. So my options are limited to canadian offices. Does it worth trying and investing a few years of my life?
lost stratus
What firms do you consider worse than a resume gap?
dawn frigate
radix pays 100k/yr?
scenic bison
yes
dawn frigate
online says NG at radix makes 500-600k
lost stratus
online says NG at radix makes 500-600k
Yes radix is one of the firms that can do ~$600k+ first year new grad tc
dawn frigate
🖨️
honestly i wish i studied harder in ug now my transcript could be a lot better
(radix asks for transcript)
lost stratus
(radix asks for transcript)
Does headlands ask for it
Arnt they also a firm that can do 600k
Same with boerboel but theyre barely hiring i think
wind bane
Yes radix is one of the firms that *can* do ~$600k+ first year new grad tc
didn't you have a fb offer?
lost stratus
What are some non compete lengths for swe at the well knowns firms you have seen?
Especially for people who only have been at the firm for a couple of years or just one
What are the factors that lead to longer times?
fast mountain
But I've heard they don't hold in Cali? So one can still just switch to tech I guess?
atomic briar
But I've heard they don't hold in Cali? So one can still just switch to tech I g...
they wouldn't enforce a noncompete if you're going to tech
tech companies won't steal trading secrets
long raft
tech companies won't steal trading secrets
Thats what they want you to think 😏
solemn talon
(radix asks for transcript)
even years after graduating?
rose holly
Radix asks for your birth certificate
solemn talon
Radix asks for your birth certificate
what if i dont have one 
rose holly
Rejected
broken thorn
obama never worked for radix, coincidence?
broken thorn
i am the spearhead of the shoe birther movement
broken thorn
Trader > SWE > quant >bank quant > cashier > optiver trader
rose holly
Why does lelouch look a lil different
short patio
Day trader in my moms basement >>> all
broken thorn
all>>> day trader in mom basement basement but i lost money that day :c
short patio
can't make 5mil if you have a shit year
but if you're managing director at goldman ez pz
final forge
the bubble will rise again 
you need the lows to appreciate the highs
I lack the charisma to sell it
floral locust
Ur stealing my thingy
lost leaf
finance is for nerds, get a pure math phd and live in a cabin
please get a grip chaewon, it's been such a downward spiral for you recently. i hope you get well soon
raw glen
LMAOOOOO
lost leaf
first it was ramp simp then it was waymo hopium next thing you see its gonna be fucking infosys copium
how did it ever come to this
floral locust
dude your definition of good went from $1m/y to swe???
I keep not thinking’s it’s u
lost leaf
like a 9 but with severe mental issues
floral locust
Aren’t u banned
lost leaf
Aren’t u banned
from wher
only discord ive ever been banned in is some mc server discord 5 years ago
youll get anthropic for the summer anyways so might as well be 8
floral locust
Yea
smoky gulch
floral locust
?
tulip sapphire
I keep not thinking’s it’s u
same AS asw
rich mfs who have discord nitro smh
wait so why are you doing quant then
if youre good at big tech you can become a senior swe as a newgrad and make the same or more as in quant
ik someone who makes more than HRT algo eng newgrads make this year
at a FAANG
with just a bachelor's
i mean both are hard to get, if they are optimizing for top quant firms anyways without enjoying it, may as well optimize for similarly difficult objective fn.'s but for outcomes they'd actually care about
tulip sapphire
i mean ik multiple and that seems unlikely if what you say is true
some places also have leveling systems
and getting higher levels is pretty common conditioned on you being good (which is fair to condition on if you are simultaneously realistically applying to top quant firms)
gotcha, do u do research atm?
it is
it's the #1 hf
citadel says this
floral locust
Cit lol
tulip sapphire
guess who #1 is @regal sorrel
broken thorn
simply be the right tail ggez
personally i prefer the mid tail
bro ur missijg out
xkcd is the goat of web comics
vapid meadow
how hard is it to get in HRT?
short patio
how hard is it to get in HRT?
as hard as my cock
vapid meadow
as hard as my cock
can't know if i can't see proof
short patio
what's the OA? normal LC?
🤷♀️ resume screen monetn
moment
isn't interview the easy part
*getting interview
passing interview much harder
tulip sapphire
this was algo dev not core
core was gca at the start then later in the yr they swapped to add binary, rhombic cipher, wolfram alpha sysdesign, some board computations
both algo dev and core swe OAs were very easy if you took a decently rigorous algos course
tbh even if you didn’t it still was not bad
only 1 question on each really required a trick
and 3/4 is enough if you go to a target
tulip sapphire
yes
I don’t think i should name publicly but i can DM
oh ur banh
think of complex monotonic queues or segment trees, youve surely seen those
basic monotonic queues or stuff which can be done with segment trees but arent required to are usu lc hard
requiring segment trees or obscure linalg knowledge is sth i count as OD
some tech companies, some are high paying quant firms
i actually found the q on lc
so nvm
but some numerical algos as well
ive also heard DESCO's qd OA is hard but i wouldnt personally know abt that.
pearl spade
core was 775+ min(1,2,3) codesignal
modest sleet
core was gca at the start then later in the yr they swapped to add binary, rhomb...
I don't know why but the rhombic cipher problem description was so confusing to me... I couldn't understand what the question wanted from me at all
Maybe my lc skills are just too weak
solemn talon
Yes
tulip sapphire
I don't know why but the rhombic cipher problem description was so confusing to ...
It probably was but why read instructions when you can just pattern match to example cases, seeing the col[0][1::2], col[0][0::2], col[1][1::2], col[1][0::2], etc pattern takes less effort than trying to read the convoluted instructions 
runic grotto
"Oh shit you put that the wrong way. Quick, send him another email"
pearl spade
Nope
U could get a 850 on codesignal and still not pass
U need to get 123 on codesignal and do good on the robots tree shit
long raft
On-site via zoom or on-site on-site?
Imagine flying to [insert location] for every meeting 😂😂
random ruin
Is data engineering (say, at Fidelity) experience useful for the purposes of getting into quant?
short patio
No
atomic briar
it's better than nothing
I actually think it'd be moderately useful in getting interviews
random ruin
how do most people that get into it get into it? finance degree?
atomic briar
yeah definitely not finance degree
major in something very quantitative
this is basically an exhaustive list of majors for QTs
lost leaf
Major in sociology @rose holly
random ruin
Doing an MS in data science atm
I was under the impression that entry level quant positions were a meme
atomic briar
I was under the impression that entry level quant positions were a meme
most of them maybe
but quant is a very broad umbrella term
are you referring to quant trading or quant research maybe?
random ruin
are you referring to quant trading or quant research maybe?
quant development
atomic briar
Quant dev is basically just amped-up SWE
and data eng at Fidelity will def help with getting interviews for that
but also this is a point that has been touched on a lot here but there's only a handful of trading firms that are better places for devs than your average big tech company
weary path
Doing an MS in data science atm
damn in europe?
random ruin
damn in europe?
wuh? no in the US
broken thorn
maybe a survey of game theory in one class
but its a broad field
tbh applied math or stats both work
id go for pure math if i were u tho, recruiters love pretentious majors like that
modest sleet
People who have gotten offers from the top firms as SWE, did you prepare for system design? If so, how?
The screenshots are the best answer I found online as to how to crack trading firm interviews. I would like to get in next year, resume screen is not really a problem for me and I read through the pinned material but that’s still not very actionable / comprehensive. Would appreciate any tips.
short patio
People who have gotten offers from the top firms as SWE, did you prepare for sys...
Grokking sys design, know your OS, understand modern C++, know your networks, be able to bang out LC mediums/hards like it’s no issue
solemn talon
Grokking sys design, know your OS, understand modern C++, know your networks, be...
For networking, how in-depth should I go? I'm reading kurose, but idk if I should read it all the way through
short patio
For networking, how in-depth should I go? I'm reading kurose, but idk if I shoul...
No clue dawg I’m in same boat as you, studying up on networks
modest sleet
Grokking sys design, know your OS, understand modern C++, know your networks, be...
Thanks! LC mediums/hards like it’s no issue is going to be an issue but I guess only a question of practice
solemn talon
What companies you interviewed with and for what positions if you don't mind me asking
short patio
nah I meant more mediums, just be comfortable with the commonly asked hards. in any case, leetcode shouldn't be the reason that someone's failing the final rounds, it's just expected that you're good enough at it. I think the interviews are also very firm dependent (JS, Two Sigma barely ask any OS/trivia, just want you to code cleanly) while others will dive into OS fundamentals like HRT
raw glen
for studying operating systems and/or computer networks, did you guys actually take the class at your uni or did you opt to study it on your own?
is there, say any resume-related benefit to taking OS and CN then listing it on your resume?
summer stratus
Why'd you withdraw?
summer stratus
People who have gotten offers from the top firms as SWE, did you prepare for sys...
Also, if anything I think ICPC is the most actionable lol
CP has better value than lc grind
solemn talon
CP has better value than lc grind
what you mean?
solemn talon
for studying operating systems and/or computer networks, did you guys actually t...
just take it if it doesn't hurt your GPA and you can probabaly put those projects on your resume too
raw glen
just take it if it doesn't hurt your GPA and you can probabaly put those project...
thanks for the answer - after viewing the average gpa of each semester for my school's OS class, fuck no im not taking it 💀 average and median is both 2.0
maybe yeah. the stats are prob jus front face scary
raw glen
im not required to take it or anything, just considering it instead of studying it on my own
well, yes this would apply to majority of swe roles taht are outside quant
but this is the quant-n-traders channel alksdjfklsaf
runic grotto
I prefer water asset management myself
stable fossil
anyone know what type of quant role this is? a headhunter reached out w a position from a smaller firm that involves researching, implementing, and backtesting strategies and analyzing + improving pnl. seems like some weird hybrid thing but not too sure
lost leaf
and into a startup that's gonna get a 1bn valuation but it's only worth $20m at ng
floral locust
Downgrade
lost leaf
deepmind > radix
floral locust
Deepmind -> cap1 data engineer
lost leaf
Deepmind -> cap1 data engineer
deepmind -> chevron data science
gotta use the all time classic
floral locust
Smth smth whalur trading
uneven bronze
bw IE or onlyfans top 0.01%
uneven bronze
short patio
anyone know what type of quant role this is? a headhunter reached out w a positi...
QR sound slike
short patio
is it a good side hustle?
if you're good it's not a side job
stable fossil
QR sound slike
oooo i thought it was more like QD since it doesn't involve modeling but i guess QD is more so building research tooling and trading infra?
short patio
oooo i thought it was more like QD since it doesn't involve modeling but i guess...
you didn't mention trading infra in the original message, like the actual infrastructure for making trades would fall more under quant dev, but it's not a bad thing to wear many hats
I'd rather do that than be siloed
stable fossil
nono the role doesnt involve infra. i meant like i thought it was more of what QD does (i.e. implement the strategies) and QR does more modelling stuff. but looking at what ppl say QDs do it prob isnt QD since QD seems to work more on infra and research tooling/platform stuff
short patio
nono the role doesnt involve infra. i meant like i thought it was more of what Q...
yeah, QR/QT are the ones actually making PnL (making models, trading off them, etc)
lost leaf
? theyre gonna interview you next year after seeing your cracked resume
nathaniel bridgewater, the creator of bridgewater will get into a talk with Dr. Deepankar M Aind, the CEO of deepmind to get you an interview
dawn frigate
OF -> industry is solid exit opp
onlyfans?
dalio isn't even at bw any more
totally new mgmt
broken thorn
OF -> industry is solid exit opp
which industry can u exit to once ur too old for OF
runic grotto
😰
dawn frigate
yeah it is
grizzled osprey
anyone here doing ready trader go from optiver?
broken thorn
that looks fun
clever bridge
i hate her so much she was so rude
short patio
i hate her so much she was so rude
wha
leaden temple
Whats the pay difference between alpha and execution qrs?
dawn frigate
i hate her so much she was so rude
reddit history is an interesting read
honestly does come off as annoying no doubt
typical ABC shennanigans
floral locust
Jump out the house
long raft
Very different means? Better / worse?
raw glen
if that doesn't warrant an interview i'll cry
long raft
Maybe exception
Hahaha I would be happy with average jump bonus😂 still a lot of money
summer stratus
are the quants in this server mostly US?
short patio
For some reason some firms do use external headhunters, I’m sure if they reach out you’ll get the chance to interview. Passing interview is another thing entirely
short patio
are the quants in this server mostly US?
Anecdotally yes but a couple UK and others
summer stratus
Anecdotally yes but a couple UK and others
any aussies here?
does anyone know if IMC AMS employees travel every-so-often?
caught a chauffeur holding up 'IMC' at Zaventem earlier
static musk
anyone here doing ready trader go from optiver?
yes
raw glen
anyone here doing ready trader go from optiver?
wish i knew that existed sooner ;-;
runic grotto
anyone here doing ready trader go from optiver?
Yes
Though we submitted our app after the deadline and got accepted
Not sure wtf happened
grizzled osprey
Though we submitted our app after the deadline and got accepted
we just got accepted like 2 hours ago...
have u received anything else besides that?
raw glen
brooo whaaaaa
fuck it ill submit one jus in case see what happens
okay nvm cant submit it's closed closed
runic grotto
have u received anything else besides that?
No
static musk
have u received anything else besides that?
nah we should get more stuff soon
zenith totem
Any tips on getting an entry level quant job? 🙂
zenith totem
no idea who that is but consider my ass in line 🙏
scenic bison
converted another 🙏
zenith totem
Consider me converted 🙏
supple shoal
what do quant firms like to hear during behavioral interviews? have recruiter chat coming up soon with jump trading for swe intern
never interviewed with hft before
long raft
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cpgc8U4v2zi/
In 2 years citadel will replace all QR with it 😂😂
weary path
does anyone know if IMC AMS employees travel every-so-often?
a lot yes
long raft
a lot yes
Why do they have to travel so much? I thought QR and swe are typical Desk jobs ?
weary path
Why do they have to travel so much? I thought QR and swe are typical Desk jobs ?
no clue man, trainings meetings etc 🤷♂️
but i meant a lot for SWE standards. so once every two months
long raft
no clue man, trainings meetings etc 🤷♂️
Collecting sneakers from various headquarters 😂
obtuse flame
You’re fine
broken thorn
i dont get it
royal forge
Very
floral locust
I heard they’re good
broken thorn
what is the most prestigious hobby sport
tennis, golf, running, skiing, or something else?
long raft
what is the most prestigious hobby sport
open source contributing 😂
grizzled osprey
open source contributing 😂
fr
broken thorn
chess losing its prestige
everyone plays chess.com 600 rated blitz in their free time now
lost leaf
what is the most prestigious hobby sport
chicken
prestige of smacking ceo of The Goldman Sacks over and over
runic grotto
raw glen
anyone have thoughts on this ? im considering a grad level econometrics course (or rather, an intro to econometrics course for graduate students).
a grad course would count towards one of my requirements for honors college purposes but that’s not relevant - only another reason why i’m considering this
i guess my real question is - for quant how relevant is econometrics
broken thorn
thats scrub shit learn endgames like a man
long raft
limpid nacelle
short patio
EV of bet1 is significantly better than EV of bet2 🤔
runic grotto
This looks like optiver's website
short patio
Anyone know Optiver first-year comp for QT/SWE respectively?
summer stratus
is this from RTG?
dawn frigate
by the defective Power Peg code, SMARS sent thousands of child orders per second that would buy high and sell low lol
horror stories at night
limpid nacelle
is this from RTG?
what is RTG?
it doesn't matter
how so?
alright, let's say you have 100M$
Do you know what is the kelly criterion?
yes
if you know what KC is, you know the initial capital you have at the beginning doesn't matter
I guess what is not stated in the question is that you cannot put a weight on bet 1 if your initial bankroll < 1k and bet 2 if the bankroll < 100
but this is taken care by KC
a fraction yeah
yep
this is 🤡 tho for 100M$
dawn frigate
so I passed the wolverine phone
but got rejected
any reasons why
paased as in answered all the technical questions correctl
short patio
paased as in answered all the technical questions correctl
Not fast enough. Prickly personality, HC, didn’t consider edge cases, idk
Plenty of reasons
long raft
any reasons why
I would ask your recruiter if they could give you advice on what you can work on. Maybe this will give you some hints.
But as @short patio said above. There could be infinite number of reasons.
Next time you will get it! 👍🏽
limpid nacelle
paased as in answered all the technical questions correctl
how many questions did you get?
if you got asked 2 but the interviewer expected you to answer/code 10 questions
it's an L fs
dawn frigate
I think the full round , probably around 10 or so yeah
interviewer said "finished early..this was easy" at the end
no coding
dawn frigate
I would ask your recruiter if they could give you advice on what you can work on...
I'll send the email now think I will get ghosted though
dawn frigate
I'll send the email now think I will get ghosted though
chatgpt is writing this email 
queen vapor
what is RTG?
Optiver's Ready Trader Go event happening now
signal bloom
don't say its optiver's logo
summer stratus
foil is prestige
short patio
This is gonna be you bro
obtuse flame
How did he get cit hk lol? Crazy finesse
short patio
There’s a good reason he returned there, I mean he clearly can pass the bar
obtuse flame
Yea but he was just visiting hk from MIT, timeline must lined up hard
And he’s doing research assistant too
HRT algo dev < DRW qt so DRW is the best firm
runic grotto
HRT algo dev < DRW qt so DRW is the best firm
He must have got a good team
raw glen
im assuming drw matched if not toppled his other offers i cant imagine he's dumb enough to "settle" :/
floral locust
Drw > cit lol
floral locust
HRT algo dev < DRW qt so DRW is the best firm
Probably rn I’d agree
atomic briar
😵💫
when will people realize trading is not about prestige
also drw isn't even close to being a lame firm anyways
there are desks at DRW that are legitimately insane
boreal hound
does citadel just give the OA to anyone?
or is there a resume screen at all?
dam
so even if I ace the OA
they gunna see my poop gpa and reject me anyways
raw glen
imposter syndrome maxed out cuz of those profiles
floral locust
Yea
It’s the whole qr vs qt thing
EV wise if ur indifferent between the two drw is probably higher but go somewhere that’s the best fit
atomic briar
Is this a meme comment
lyric loom
Yo
atomic briar
It depends on a lot. But admittedly I’d probably want to go to an established firm just for what I know will be a more fleshed-out training program
dawn frigate
do all behaviorials have to be in STAR method?
lost leaf
so much passion in providing liquidity. im so passionate i even do it on the toilet after drinking my 5th cup of spoiled milk today
congrats on The Gold Man Sacks!
not having to work is the whole point of nepotism 💪 💪 💪 💪
#general message @dawn frigate thoughts?
dawn frigate
not clicking that