quants-n-traders

[rare rock]

by how much?

[short patio]

this is not something I can give you a measure for, since it is company dependent, and traders receive a larger proportional share of PnL (profit and loss) that they generate

[rare rock]

oh

i think i can be a quant dev but not sure about trader

[sick flame]

wait youre saying that once I go for swe in quant its hard to make a switch over the trading

at its core isnt it the same process to get into both prob/stats, and a ton of lc
or would you say its more dependednt upon the compnay

because tbh i want to go into qr and create algoritms but without a phd/masters it seems near impossible to get into that

so my goal is to leverage the swe skills i have to get into one of the big firms and go for one of those more demaning roles later

as much as gradschool and phd teaches you i feel like I am more than capable to learn it on my own and being surrouned in an environemnt that eats breathes and sleeps quant, I will probably learn more of an applicable

even after working for these firms as a swe ?

that wouldnt get me an interview???

thats all i need to hear

as long as i can get through to interviews its just a matter on experience and practice

where would you say no

ahh the more research focused firms

makes sense

how does cit rank in the firms list

in terms of perstige

and pay

across similar levels

becuase i think its worthwhile finding a firm and investing a good amount of time into it, build connections, show interest so in 4 years when i graduate, im not just another applicant to them and have shown demonstated interedt + have the expereince to back up that interst

idk from what ive seen in quant it looks like everyone just says stand out but that is kind of hard without putting all eggs into one basket

take some writing calsses and beef up the gpa lol

i get that just thought it would make me stand out more

if i have shown interest in a company over years

ahh ok

no but it makes you stand out no? like interning say 2x at a company then when it comes time for ft

like isnt that immedate fast track

to the offer?

[tulip sapphire]

Pay is team/pod dependent

[sick flame]

wdym by that

are you recent grad?

[tulip sapphire]

Friends

[sick flame]

yes

LMFAOOOO

caught red handed

what year

wtf

what the actual fuck

your a senior in hs

?

nah id believe it

caught that

oh so you are recent grad??

i thought youre at inuit

[lost leaf]

why so toxic. Aren’t you taking 5 year ms because you couldn’t a good internship before your senior year?

9 year ms

[sick flame]

alright everyone CALM THE FUCK DOWN

[lost leaf]

[sick flame]

shits having me more confused than when i came here

[lost leaf]

just stalk 150 quant firms and apply to every single one of them (and fail every interview you get)

[sick flame]

bro who are you

[lost leaf]

radix simp sympathizer

s6

[sick flame]

do any of you have expereince in quant

alright stopn with the fucking girl

[lost leaf]

[sick flame]

trying to have an insightful conversation

bro get off my dick

[lost leaf]

you know its cope

if the 12 year old with 13 years of experience in av cant get waymo you dont have a chance

what are they even looking for

are you going through a rough patch in life right now? im here if you need to talk.

[sick flame]

has anyone heard of discover day at sig

i just got an email saying i was accepted

are programs like that worht it

[cyan sparrow]

who

[deep cargo]

its the freshman one without an interview

[sick flame]

is ther much of an upside tho

[deep cargo]

you get an interview, you can put it on ur resume as some sort of trading knowledge

[sick flame]

🤓

jjk

lol

[deep cargo]

bro wtf is this

[sick flame]

is that you?

bro looking uncomfortable in his pfp lol

[cyan sparrow]

Respect him he's a harvard grad

Unlike you chaewon

[deep cargo]

collecting them like infinity stones 💀

[lost leaf]

all time classic

[deep cargo]

just to end up at amazon...

nothing was talking about the profile

math means your cracked regardless

[cyan sparrow]

This is very correct

[sick flame]

he has like 6 colleges wtf

[cyan sparrow]

All fake like jordan's rings

[deep cargo]

he didn't have to put all of it in his summary

[lost leaf]

theyre all like 1 week programs arent they

lol

[deep cargo]

he lowkey looks like a shady crypto bro

[cyan sparrow]

hes real

bro look at his company

its cracked

could be you chaewon

if you werent a discord addict

[weary path]

you will always be just another applicant for them, unless you already worked for them. Would not try to optimize for one firm, is negative EV

[short patio]

What does HRT ask for algo dev? QT style questions?

Or is it that + OS / c++

[short patio]

Yeah, very automated trading, was just asking for curiosity’s sake since even QR is called algo dev

[pearl spade]

obv im very late to the drama but this is all school exclusive

[static musk]

can confirm the jump one is school exclusive

[pearl spade]

ill bet my right kidney that they have their own school list and pick candidates from there so a mixed school dinner

i wish i had those dinners lol free food and u get an interview

instead i have no free food and 2 failed minor mistake onsites

bro jump crypto sponsors our crypto club

but no one knows abt it which is a shame

naw they have

they throw money at everythign crypto

bro i gotta pull up to the upl one day

been delaying it for a while

[barren steeple]

jump dinners arent school based, they just meet any cracked ppl in tbe cities they go to. And in summers they hit all the big tech cities so if youre good youlle ger dinner

also a coiple ppl k know went to dinner but no interview

[pearl spade]

yes they hit the big tech cities because thasts where the good schools are

u think they would go to like Austin to poach people from like University of Random ass Lake in Hawaii or UT

NYU baruch

[lyric loom]

@ember lava

[pearl spade]

@small owl where do u go

oh bruh

didnt read

[lyric loom]

EL GRINCH FEET

EL FURRY FEET

[rose holly]

columbia maybe

[runic grotto]

[lyric loom]

@rose holly BATCOX

[pearl spade]

naw i feel like its darthmouth

[lyric loom]

EL CATTO DRACO

@marsh ocean

@marsh ocean

[pearl spade]

its like a weight scale to some extent ; when you do a sizeof operation on yourself normally the scale shows your weight but instead sometimes its so big it breaks the entire thing

[lyric loom]

EL MEESTA FOXZ

MEESTA FOX

[runic grotto]

Wdym

[short patio]

Man sizeof

Surely there’s a page

[runic grotto]

sizeof(char) is defined to be 1 then it depends on the struct/type

[short patio]

Cap

https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/sizeof

Google 4head

Close enough to man page

Or just look up how the internals work

[pearl spade]

1st one was def asked to me last 2 def for other firms

[short patio]

Concurrency for sure

And virtual memory

Whatever os stuff I’m sure is fair game

[pearl spade]

first one explain malloc/free ig and thencontinuation into segmentation and paging and shit

[short patio]

External vs internal fragmentation 🤓

[runic grotto]

Oh wait you were asking Tanz mb

[short patio]

OSTEP time

[runic grotto]

Why thumbs up @lyric loom

[stark crow]

first two seems like qs they might ask

you really don’t need to prep for os qs specifically just do an OS course if you can and you’ll be fine

Implementing multi-threading w/o a kernel is a good one if you’re looking for qs tho
What happens when you malloc 8GB on a machine that only has 4

etc

[short patio]

uhh is half of it then mapped to disk instead of ram?

[pearl spade]

implementing multi thereading without a kernel 🤔

thats like eating a sandwich without any middle part inside

[short patio]

kernel has to implement multithreading for itself

[pearl spade]

exactly

[short patio]

so surely you can implement multithreading without a kernel bc the kernel can do it

[pearl spade]

but u need the kernel to implement multithreading tho?

[broken thorn]

pid

fork

children

[short patio]

That’s process silly goose

[short patio]

Just write bare metal multithreading ez pz

[broken thorn]

mutex

deadlock

shmem shget shupmyass

[runic grotto]

semaphore

[pearl spade]

yes when u write bare metal u are writing a bare metal kernel to implement multithreading

so how can u implement multithreading without a kernel

its like asking how to open a file without accessing memory unless im reading the q wrong ; the file is ltierally memory u will need to access it in memory some way shape or form

[rose holly]

maybe they're talking about user level threads

[pearl spade]

like implement pthread/std::thread right? the more common ones not kthread specifically used by kernel

i might be tweaking but dosnt the kernel implement that

[rose holly]

google says it depends

[pearl spade]

idt anyone is this depraved enough to ask to implement kthread

its probably pthread/std::thread which is much more common

[rose holly]

but the idea of mapping many user threads to one kernel thread seems p close to what the question is asking

writing your own tcb, scheduler, and such

yeah similar to writing your own kthread ig

[pearl spade]

i know ppl who got asked abt high lvl implementations of user threads but not kernel threads 🤔

well thats my next project so itl be fun

[rose holly]

thats how i read it

@lyric loom can answer this, hes taking OS class

[runic grotto]

Well I saw this in systems not os so that's probably why

Did you see mutex more?

Yeah but in our class we have quite a bit overlap so idk

Yep sounds right

[rose holly]

this screams cmu

[runic grotto]

Iirc they're pretty useful for databases

You got through?

[shut void]

anyone here interview w marshall wace/ do their codility

[stark crow]

Have you never heard of green threads in OS class lol? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_thread

It’s handled in the user space, but to the kernel it looks like you only have one thread

[lyric loom]

no I never heard of it

Mr Wagonov

[stark crow]

It’ll allow it bc you can malloc way more than you actually have but once you need it you get thrashing

[stark crow]

matudu

[short patio]

yes bc page swapping wowzers

[stark crow]

(also they won’t ask you to implement it it’s just a trivia q)

[rose holly]

think it depends

what if you disable overcommitting

should just error

[pearl spade]

naw

not a single word in the ostep

[stark crow]

you should clarify but for the most part it’ll be for modern linux systems anyways

which has an optimistic strategy

[pearl spade]

page trashing is covered i got asked that once

[rose holly]

which is overcommitting

[lyric loom]

[short patio]

Jesus

Living like kings

[quasi orbit]

shoot guess my vegan ass dont get no entree

i will just eat crispy brussels sprouts

[fast mountain]

Page replacement came along with virtual mem mgmt

So like Linux 2.x era
Like 25yrs old lol

[fast mountain]

I don't think you can flip it off actually

You'll have to pin each page individually I think? Unsure tho

[drifting pelican]

Was this after applying or did they approach you for this 😅

[twin cloud]

Got approached

I sent referrals out and the recruiter gave them the dinner too

[drifting pelican]

Oh wow that’s really nice

Are you currently in the industry?

Like HFT? Or FANG

[rose holly]

i haven't tried it though
https://gist.github.com/t27/ad5219a7cdb7bcb977deccbc48a480d5

[sour python]

whats an average entry quant tc

[floral locust]

Ur weird and elitist @rose holly

Weird

[drifting pelican]

I’ve never heard of them, are their quants/engineers like rentech level or

[floral locust]

I don’t like quant surely I can put all my hopes and dreams into traditional finance roles

Should I eat dinner or sleep for 11 hours

Ok

[drifting pelican]

ahhh i see

[pearl spade]

why not make markets on the eu or asian side

his blunt probably hit

[lyric loom]

EL CATTO DRACO NEW PROFILE PIC

[pearl spade]

only termporarry

[floral locust]

I was cosplaying @rose holly

[median tide]

Is QT/QR reasonable to break in FT? Going to be working in ml research/engineer at FAANG for now

otherwise might stop reviewing prob/trading questions and just focus on promos

Also I'm a new grad so haven't started work and am graduating this sem

[twin cloud]

I’m in qwant rn

[rose holly]

Where

[twin cloud]

JS/Citadel/HRT

[rose holly]

Ru n4?

[median tide]

@atomic quail how difficult is is? Is this because almost all FT comes from the intern pipeline?

I’m more interested in trying out quant for a year or two even if at a smaller shop then switching back to swe/ml research

Main motivation is curiosity if quant not that I want to make a career of it

[rose holly]

yo

[zinc palm]

https://www.thewallstreetquants.com/

Is this legit

[short patio]

Half legit half shill

They’re obviously trying to sell you something

[pearl spade]

im sure this 3 month bootcamp will be able to magically get you past multiple target school candidates who have studied for years

[short patio]

“Senior quants from top shops like Point72, Millennium and more” SIG

[atomic briar]

wall street quant itself sounds dumb

that implies banks and not real trading shops

[short patio]

Oh I’m not talking down on any of these shops, it’s just funny how they’re marketing it as like elite quants, and there’s no mention of the super selective ones

Ah, so the name of the firm doesn’t really matter, they’re all similarly selective? Aren’t some much more profitable than others (like rentech?)

So it’s individual and team dependent

[runic grotto]

How would you tell if the team you're about to join is good/bad? Have connections inside the company already?

Ah ok

Rip page isn't opening for me

[short patio]

Bc he pasted same link twice

Critical thinking skills rip

[runic grotto]

Ah

[short patio]

Why are HRT and JS in the same tier as TGS and PDT (which barely even hire)

It’s just kids who want to go quant or at best have a couple years of exp in the field claiming to be authorities

[runic grotto]

Do you happen to know if this is also true for the swe side of quant?

Ah, ty ty

[pearl spade]

that rank list is weird lol

its like that analogy of what do u call someone who graduated med school last in their class ; a doctor

[weary path]

this is the truth

wouldnt call them big three mm, they are all shops that make most of their money from speculation and dont move the same level of volume that traditional mm do, but 🤷🏽‍♀️

but SIG is the OG

if SIG had better logo i would join

[broken thorn]

pass class?

[proven steeple]

We placed Denis Dancanet as the president of Cubist. He was one of the original 5 partners at PDT. He initially retired to start a flying car company but we ultimately convinced to speak with Steve and the rest is history. Steve Cohen himself reached out to us directly to help him fill the President role.

I have personally placed Pms into Millennium and Cubist. From the mentioned firms.

[proven steeple]

They are not really the same. They Look for different things and look for different type of talent. PDT and TGS mainly look for PHDs and do some work in ML. JS and HRT are a little less PHD focused and JS utilizes almost no ML.

PDT doesn'y pay as much as Cit, Jump, JS, etc.

Happy to make any introductions for people that might be interested in the space. I personally work with specific pod teams that hire exclusively through me as well as more collaborative setups.

[rose holly]

do you make a lot as a headhunter

[pearl spade]

jump is good but its an interesting hiring philosphy for university roles

jump would rather have 0 interns/new grads over X intern/new grads that are borderline/mediocre hires ; they vet their candidates very throughly in the interview process and sometimes some people get rejected with no reason why after onsites

[short patio]

when he's sourcing candidates that get paid millions a year, you bet he's getting paid close toa mil if not better

[proven steeple]

Jump pays really well if you perform. They should be up there too.

[proven steeple]

Let’s just say some headhunters make more then technical folks

[opaque sable]

they get paid based on the salary of the candidate

they're probably making bank

[short patio]

fired or no bonus

[proven steeple]

They don’t really fire people tbh. They have had one business that has failed but overall it didn’t affect them much.

[proven steeple]

You don’t really see that many people on their NC from Jump

I would definitely consider it to be competitive with those especially if it’s a good team.
The main thing at all these top shops is you end up on a good team. You want to have a good mentor preferably with a good track record.

[floral locust]

Lol

[proven steeple]

Hmm not really maybe Quantbot not sure

[viscid lynx]

what are your thoughts on radix?

and aquatic

[proven steeple]

Heard they let go quite a few people

[viscid lynx]

yikes lol

[rose holly]

arrowstreet

[short patio]

Blew up?

[floral locust]

What’s happening at bw

[rose holly]

weird they still have a careers page

[floral locust]

Idk

Ur weird trad fi kink

I’d think u keep up with that world

[short patio]

That’s Christina whatever there were two other partners no

[floral locust]

They’re no longer numba wahn

[rose holly]

whats bw? bridgewater?

[pearl spade]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-death-stare-stare-look-car-gif-17449959

brother ur literally ex HF into BW HYP ur fine

not me going no name -> Meta -> known unicorn1 -> unknown unicorn 2

also why not take TS @regal sorrel

id easily do TS over potentially fucking your mental health at BW

ig

but they make amazon look like a puppy and citadel look like a bobcat lol

they prolly do

does BW have NG or is it just intern

aight time to cold email in a sem

im just morbidly curious abt the cutthroat culture

yea

[lyric loom]

@marsh ocean

[lyric loom]

Yo

[broken thorn]

gigachad statement because odds are you know this from getting an offer from them and having 3.99 gpa

[rose holly]

yo

[lyric loom]

@rose holly

Shoo away

Shoo

[rose holly]

@lyric loom

[scenic bison]

THICC VOLUMPTUOUS MANOOL

[rose holly]

delete your account

yahkuna doxxes people

never tell him who you are

its not

qr

yeah

banh

[lyric loom]

like me

I go to Harvard

[rose holly]

no not like you

I go to harvard

you dont

they had other qr offers too

wdym? I am

[lyric loom]

NO UR NOT

[rose holly]

everything > philly

optiver's gonna crash soon

dont go there

arrowstreet isnt any better tho

you will have a very significant long term effect on your career

its just hard to say if itll be a good or bad effect relative to the others

I just dont trust optiver

They seem kinda sus

I think their marble value will go down and thats gonna make the salaries worth a lot less

Its gone up a ton recently

The marble value

Idk if they can sustain it

Cuz of the way marbles work the salaries could become less valuable over time

I think its just not a great system

Bonus shouldnt be profit sharing

Yeah but having it be directly proportional to profit is not great imo

I think its better to have it be based just on how well your performance is rather than also add variance by factoring firm performance to that extent

Yeah like I think its just added variance that isnt necessary

People act like its a great thing but it just feels like a gimmick that isnt even a good thing imo

why

oh wait it does?

yeah I like that system

thats a good form of transparency

i mean sure its transparent but I dont think its transparent in a good way

I'd rather see transparency in how performance affects bonus

not transparency in how some external factor affects it

yeah

but this transparency in the form of marbles is pretty useless

[obtuse flame]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ericwilsonharvard68_optiver-activity-7029903098634539008-ppVa?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios

[rose holly]

sure its a formula but whats the point in knowing it

@obtuse flame

hi

[obtuse flame]

Football -> trader pipeline

[obtuse flame]

Hi

[rose holly]

no way he started at penn state and went to the nfl and then got opt

thats fucking crazy

yeah but I just dont see why optiver being "transparent" in the form of marbles is something that anyone should care about

it is transparent but its basically showing you how your bonus is not correlated to your performance which is the part that doesnt matter

yeah but thats not the transparent part

thats the part that would be useful if it was transparent

but its not

yeah and most of the time theres very little correlation there

[obtuse flame]

What’s the diff between institutional trader and quant trader at Optiver?

[rose holly]

@golden wadi

[atomic briar]

the number of marbles you have depends on your performance

and then there's also a performance multiplier at the end too

[rose holly]

You should go

[weary path]

whats happening

student going to two sigma?

[rose holly]

Oh i didn’t know this part

Then its alright

[lost leaf]

its not like youre taking a RO

[empty topaz]

Hello sir

[ocean gazelle]

anyone know of a firm primarily building infrastructure in rust?

i know a few crypto shops using it, but im curious to see widespread usage

[short patio]

I think just bc it's so new, and even "new" shops are like >10 years old you won't see much of it until later down the line

[pearl spade]

yea older firms have a shit ton of legacy code and theres tradeoffs if you should stay legacy or switch over to rust

#quants-n-traders message

[daring haven]

School doesn't matter after resume screen

[short patio]

guess what gets you past resume screen? school, among other things

yeah truly unlucky

you need faang or adjacent on resume

otherwise L

[pearl spade]

and interview perf doesnt matter after offer

[neat cape]

hi guys, i dont follow this channel often, but is citadel fall 2023 basically closed bc those who got in for summer deferred?

[ocean gazelle]

100% true

some shops do tend to adopt new tech but yeah legacy code is a bitch

alameda had some rust infrastructure actually

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/jb4cds/comment/g8ume5r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

old job posting of theirs

[short patio]

ALAMEDA KEKW

masters or off szn

like bro

you have two hedge funds on resume before junior year

ur bing chilling

[ocean gazelle]

ikr

[solemn talon]

What if you go to a no-name school? Possible to get citadel interview with Faang on your resume? A few ex-amazon interns said that even after completing citadel OA in 20 mins they got resume screened.

[runic grotto]

While anecdotal I believe this is true

[queen vapor]

Yes, with high GPA

[runic grotto]

Tbh if you exclude that you take out a very large portion of potential candidates

[solemn talon]

Rip for non-target school goars

[runic grotto]

You can also succeed as non target

I just don't know them so I can't speak for them

[solemn talon]

high gpa?

[solemn talon]

3.5+ is enough?

[long raft]

I didnt know that people put gpa on their resume 😂 should have done it maybe this would have helped 😂

[runic grotto]

None of us are quant recruiters so we don't have this process down to a science, just an fyi

[short patio]

bro HUH

[short patio]

cit wants 3.7 or up

I think?

[solemn talon]

okay thanks

[short patio]

they seem to care about gpa a lot

[runic grotto]

[short patio]

for some reason

[runic grotto]

The sophs here bouta be op as juniors

[long raft]

In Europe nobody really does it. I have 4.0 and so far nobody really asked 😂

[queen vapor]

Yea I heard that too, I think they auto-reject if it's too low even if you ace the OA

[solemn talon]

btw I was asking for SWE

not quant, sorry did not clarify before

[long raft]

Only citadel asked and there I bombed the OA 😂

[royal forge]

yea happened to me

[broken thorn]

does citadel take 3.39 from non target with no faang

[neat junco]

Had 3 internships and TA

[short patio]

bro what

[neat junco]

Only got 30% of hft interviews I think

[queen vapor]

I thought everyone done it here! I have UK and US conversion, but nobody really asks either

[neat junco]

And most of them not even actively hiring new grad

This year

[solemn talon]

how about same gpa and non-target + faang?😂

[short patio]

no clue for swe, but just apply bro

like literally stop stressing and just apply and prep interview

if you don't get it

L bozo

if you do, good luck

like literally there's no downside to applying

[long raft]

For the company it’s a downside because they have to scroll through thousands of applications 😂

[runic grotto]

It's always 50/50, you get it or you don't

[solemn talon]

just tryna see if I even have a chance to get an interview not lol

[long raft]

We are responsible people and don’t want to waste their time 😉😂

[short patio]

why does one particular company matter? just apply to 30

you'll hear back from some

[broken thorn]

!!

wise words

[long raft]

30?? Those are rookie numbers. 300+

[short patio]

dawg there aren't 300 quants wdym

I mean in particular quant firms hiring SWE

[broken thorn]

@lost stratus look at this guy

thinsk there isnt that many quants

ur up to like 160 now righgt

[long raft]

Hahaha I wanted to cite his/her list because tbh it’s one of the best list out there.

[long raft]

It just threw a random high number out there

[lost stratus]

Are you limiting to prop shops/hedge funds? Theres also alot of asset manageme t and banks too

[short patio]

oh fuck here he comes with his list of 200 quant companies that ghosted him

[lost stratus]

Not all ghosted

[runic grotto]

Is Radix your top choice of firm

[lost stratus]

Yes

[broken thorn]

who will be kekwing when he gets a tier 8 firm and then mid career switch to tier 2 firm

[rose holly]

whats a tier 8 firm

[short patio]

alameda

[lost stratus]

^?

[lost stratus]

What

[broken thorn]

radix

[short patio]

?

t8

[iron totem]

Tier 8 gotta be like Wells Fargo

[runic grotto]

How do you even find half the companies on your list

I genuinely do not understand how this is done

[lost stratus]

Usually Linkedin

[runic grotto]

Oh

[lost stratus]

Or searching google and reddit and blind for keywords

[rose holly]

bro is a bigger expert on firms than most people in the industry 💀

[lost stratus]

I havnt don alot of the bigger firms yet but if you search linkedin for people who used to work at common firms, you can find people at other lesser known and small firms

For example lexidus holdings is new startupy firm that was founded by an ex js trader, idt they have alot of money yet either tho

[runic grotto]

Ah that makes sense

[lost stratus]

Theres also a quant firm in Israel named "final", https://final.co.il

Idk if they have an us office i think they trade in the us tho

[rose holly]

why is IE so bad?

[runic grotto]

Buying the firm rn

[long raft]

Imagine saying “i have final with final” 😂

[solar axle]

Yes

[solar axle]

That’s not true, ik someone who got interviewed with lower than a 3.7

[devout spruce]

i talked to som1 who got cit with a 3.3

[solar axle]

And he goes to low rank non target school without faang as well

[weary path]

yeah no point in making rules on what HR does 😂 unpredictable

[solemn talon]

yo fr?

[obtuse flame]

I thought 3.6

[lost stratus]

I have not heard of this, what exactly is this?

[solemn talon]

Have any of you guys moved to an hft after working in tech for a few years?

[short patio]

Is this swe or qt was more referring to latter

[solemn talon]

yeah heard HRT recruits from there a lot

[solar axle]

Swe

[solar axle]

For qt I thought resume screen is easier, cit cut off for gpa is 3.5 not 3.7

This pretty much applies to the rest of faang for infra right?

[solemn talon]

Does the SWE work in HFT differ from tech companies?

[devout spruce]

yes

his calc 1 mark was a 37

[solar axle]

@short patio hdyk?

[devout spruce]

and his first year average was <70 iirc

[lost stratus]

Alot of fb/meta backend/infra is done in c++ too

[pearl spade]

cit wants 3.5+(on website somehwere and i passed screen w 3.6) or a higher up can vouch for u

[solemn talon]

what country? is it not in US?

[solemn talon]

so get a referral if GPA<3.5?

[pearl spade]

referral from higher up not some rando person

[devout spruce]

he goes to a canadian uni

[pearl spade]

cit is like the 1 firm thats anal abt gpa

[twin cloud]

Ik 1 person has

3.3, offer given

[solemn talon]

probably target school or faang on resume

[broken thorn]

why are you responding seriously

[solemn talon]

Sorry I wont

?

i just brought it up cuz hrt 2s and jane street seem out of reach for me

yeah but general I would think cit is easier

[rose holly]

bc cit sends oa to everyone and give them false hope

[solemn talon]

is hrt easier?

[runic grotto]

Does anyone know what kinda of Python trivia firms ask

[quasi orbit]

i am super cute irl

[lyric loom]

@quasi orbit cap

[lost stratus]

^^does anyone know the answer to this

[lyric loom]

is my resume good

[quasi orbit]

i am so cute that they remade a cat cafe to a wxlter cafe

[runic grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wok-the-rock-the-rock-sus-the-rock-meme-the-rock-eyebrows-gif-23750956

[scenic bison]

💀

[obtuse flame]

For SWE JS is way harder

[short patio]

you'd lose ur mind staying there 24/7

[runic grotto]

Just outsource it

To chatgpt

:clueless:

[chilly echo]

I don't see openAI RS on there

[rose holly]

Res screen or overall process?

Yeah I failed js res screen too lol

lol

Js clowning

[runic grotto]

Man trolling a bit too hard

[obtuse flame]

Both honestly but resume screen harder

[rose holly]

100% agree on res screen, probably true for overall process too but i cant know cuz i cant get past js res screen 😦

[obtuse flame]

Wait for junior year

[rose holly]

I need to meet up with anon in nyc this summer

[tulip sapphire]

nah lol you can easily bypass their filter and i can name multiple firms with harsher gpa cutoffs

we have a mutual friend who was recently talking about not passing JS resume screen, so i think it is fair to assume they do have one

[pearl spade]

those other firms are easily school exclusive over gpa exclusive

[tulip sapphire]

yeah JS swe has one

[pearl spade]

i know which ones ur talking abt

[tulip sapphire]

fair enough

[obtuse flame]

Yessir, nyc best city

[short patio]

Anyone have an idea what TS NG SWE comp is? Or ballpark?

[royal forge]

@forest cobalt

[runic grotto]

Do you know how many hours people usually work

Ah ok

[broken thorn]

accept both, give "more" to anyone else

[runic grotto]

Is this for a firm that has a 7 letter name

Or 8

Oh ok

They seem pretty friendly

[zenith maple]

no

[broken thorn]

sleep with every team member, they will hard vouch for you

[lost stratus]

Do you know how 2s recruiting works? Do managers or cold emails to recruiters to managers help?

[broken thorn]

can i rly get a job for saying what ols is

bruh

[lost stratus]

Do you have any other funny interview stories lol

[lost stratus]

Are there things that they look for / are favorable

[lost stratus]

What would they want to see from an average low tier uc?

[broken thorn]

give me a few semesters

i will learn

for the goldman sachs

[runic grotto]

Can you say it in easier words

[broken thorn]

https://youtu.be/Lx4poQw1mZo

@split lintel can we make the white bear an emoji

maybe call it radix_simp

goldman_simp

@forest cobalt do u think we really do quant stuff here?

you must be new

of course no latex bot

we just shitpost about jane street and two sigma

[runic grotto]

tbh it's pretty odd we don't have a latex bot for how big of a cs server we are

[split lintel]

ok wait

[lost stratus]

If someone had all these except the past quant, what else would you suggest?

[solemn talon]

Do HFts make you run your code during interviews? for SWE

[broken thorn]

for i in range (whatever isnt an off by 1 error):

[lost stratus]

should I be only emailing people witht he title talent acquisition / recruiter or does "recruiting coordinators" also work

[runic grotto]

What scale are you using for school tier? 🤔

[lost stratus]

Low tier uc, looking for ft stuff, interned at unicorn, coinbase and fb

Only did backend/infra stuff at those internships

They ghost me

[runic grotto]

Is this very advantageous for breaking into some of the companies you just listed?

[pearl spade]

bro just keep doing interviews or transitioin to big tech/unicorn doing systems

i know exactly ur dilemma

[pearl spade]

all interviews except 1 lol

this is how i know ur old 😭

merced is the new davis now

[lost stratus]

Its just a low tier uc lol

Low enough that a citadel recruiter can say "yeah thats not looking so good for you"

[pearl spade]

wait yo now im curious what tech offers did u get since i haevnt seen u in a while

[lost stratus]

What tech is even hiring rn

[pearl spade]

idk i assumed u got an offer anywhere

bruh

are u still looking NG or delaying for itnern or smt

[lost stratus]

Idk yet

[pearl spade]

feel like u should have applied both

[lost stratus]

Still interviewing for a few quant firms

Yeah i probably should have oops

[pearl spade]

meta + unicorn + rando school wasnt as a strong as last years responses but it still got me responses

assumign discord doesnt work out and i dont have any last urges for uniswap

u2

[scenic bison]

this year was ruff

[pearl spade]

interesting work but not interesting tech stack + paper money FT + 2 yrs runway when i grad + i would probably burn out therew

[scenic bison]

crypto

they resume rejected me

[pearl spade]

yep

[scenic bison]

dracos are u 24 grad

[pearl spade]

yea

[pearl spade]

i changed it to 24 bc of this season

[scenic bison]

valid

[lost stratus]

Do they ever hire anyone :/

Ghosted 3 years in a row :/

[pearl spade]

u had to apply early

and theyd prolly give u oa

[floral locust]

Yea

No

[runic grotto]

Uwm is random school?

[floral locust]

Dracos likes to degrade himself

[runic grotto]

Ah

[pearl spade]

id say so ; we have good rankings only due to grad research but we have no resceruiting presence at all (referring to swe)

[floral locust]

Wisco

[short patio]

at least u have the best ostep prof in existence

[pearl spade]

only systems company that loves us unconditionally is rockset lol

but they didnt open intern apps this year

[short patio]

this year is just pee pee poo poo

like maybe 5 companies actually hiring

rest are laying off, hiring freeze, rescinding

[pearl spade]

back when everyone and their mothers got interview 🤣

u could prolly walk outside and the tiny dog on a leash could have been barking PSC points to you

[devout spruce]

passing the interview process is still kinda crazy tho

[lost stratus]

Its just leetcode tho?

[devout spruce]

leetcoding perfectly in an interview is tuff ngl, u have to come up with the perfect solution right away and u need to communicate ur thoughts consistently idk i just struggle with technicals

[lost stratus]

Why does that mean its crazy? sounds like you havnt learned enough about ds&a or didnt do enough practice problems

[pearl spade]

bro u cant be insulting the usaco gold on this

i think ayo is gold last time i checked his website

[scenic bison]

💀

[lost stratus]

Idk for my meta internship / interviews the only prep i had was from doing lc as a freshman

Wdym i interned at meta too (as a soph) i dont consider that an acomplishment

[scenic bison]

think he means current offers

[tulip sapphire]

I applied pretty late and they got back to me though I turned them down

[devout spruce]

i hit plat

but hes right

[pearl spade]

jesus

[devout spruce]

i dont practice anymore/stopped doing cp

[dark jacinth]

talk mad shit for someone with no offers after getting ghosted or failing interviews from every quant firm under the sun

[lost stratus]

Hows that relevant about getting a meta internship before?

I was j pointing out how interning at meta / passing their interview isnt "crazy" by any means

Before 2022 all you needed is >= 1 internship even if it was a no name company

Yes

[pearl spade]

(-(- isnt wrong

[runic grotto]

(-(-

[pearl spade]

bro wtf do i even call you if ur name is inpronounceable ; ill just call u nested parentheses

[lost stratus]

It requires cold emailing too

[runic grotto]

I think Radix simp should suffice

[pearl spade]

this is what u need to understand ; Facebook resume screen is a lot more different than Meta

[lost stratus]

I like to go by (-.(-.(-.-).-).-) 😂

You didnt send enough cold emails then its entirely your fault im sorry you cant contest this

[pearl spade]

Facebook hired decently conservatively, high pay, elite school recruiting, good res value

Meta hired every dog on the street, shit RO rate, every school got interviews, reduced res value

[devout spruce]

facebook used to hire so many loo students

it was like ~200 every term

[pearl spade]

fb was always hiring from loo, cmu, gt bc a good talent pool + loo is elite

[lost stratus]

Hmm maybe 200 with weekly follow ups each

I didnt have any internships before college so i couldnt do that

After coinbase i was able to pass resume scren since thats basically faang level

[devout spruce]

do cold emails acc work for faang+

[lost stratus]

Yes it helped be get interviews at rivian, coinbase, dropbox, lyft, with 0 internship exp and only projects (pre 2022/3)

Yeah

[pearl spade]

i got dropbox interview after cold emailing the motherfucker 5 times only to pass oa and be declined after recruiter phone due to HC

same with nuro but didnt pass onsite, yext passed onsite but no HC

mongodb responded after 5 followups to reject on HC

[devout spruce]

5 follow ups is crazy lmaooo

[lost stratus]

No coinbase is faang level which is enough to pass a resume screen but i had only sent like 50 idt it mttered since i had 2 big tech internships by then

[pearl spade]

i sent 6 for singlestore and just gave up lol

[devout spruce]

whens a good time to start cold emailing bigger companies(for fall season)?

[lost stratus]

Its all about followups too

Many people got interviews after following up with cold emails with non response for multiple weeks maybe even months

Not sure how that information helps anyone in any way lol

I already said low tier uc

what about tower, omc, aquatic, boerboel, headlands, tgs, pdt, ansatz, five rings, arrowstreet

[floral locust]

Omc?

[lost stratus]

old mission capital

what are the few you are reffering to?

were you trying to get into the cit server

[floral locust]

Errrr

[lost stratus]

how would you rank it for new grad quantdev/swe tc

why didnt you just ask a headhunter or people who had a cit offer or people who interned at cit

do pods ever have their own swe

how do you know which one do or don't?

[floral locust]

He has learned 🙏🙏🙏

[lost stratus]

what if it was pure swe

I tried reaching out to a few pm at tower but they said they only have qr on their team so i wasnt sure what to do since im looking for swe oriented stuff

they pay high if thats what youre looking for

[floral locust]

You kick us in the teeth

[lost stratus]

what about GTS

[floral locust]

I heard Shaw is the most elitist firm ever

🦧

5r is good

Another 🦧

[lost stratus]

is worldquant good

and 3red

[floral locust]

No

Yes

Yea

3red only has like 80 people tho lol

No

I’m 🦧

[lost stratus]

is that bad?

[floral locust]

I’m not a swe

Also work 80 hours a week

30% roi p good for hf?

No

Idr

[lost stratus]

does millennium have their own version of gqs

and what about exoduspoint are they considered any good

what wdym

[floral locust]

Millennium juniors are bottom of the barrel there

Pms eat good tho

I’m a data scientist lol

With dreams of a better life

[floral locust]

Both

[quasi orbit]

How can I break my master out of prison

[runic grotto]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnnL3iV95E

[lost stratus]

what is the cookout?

[quasi orbit]

Only thing I bent is ur gender

[pearl spade]

im confused ; u got a fake offer letter?

[runic grotto]

I’m decently confident that he got a legit one but also made a fake one to see if they would spot it

[pearl spade]

ohh

[runic grotto]

Wait

Ngl that's pretty funny

[chilly echo]

😟

[tulip sapphire]

what is high? is this high for US or high for UK

[lost stratus]

$600k new grad high

Okay

[lost stratus]

Disclaimer: you have to not be bad and maybe negotiate

[runic grotto]

Did you always have the (-. as a part of your nickname

Or did you add it recently

[lost stratus]

That was always my name before i adding a company name

Maybe arrow street according to blind and levels and radix if youre good

Actually idk boerboel needs insane negotiation they just pay very well but to have to be good for swe

[tulip sapphire]

wait ik someone who got a swe offer there and it was <200k (which is in-line for london firms)

TC

[tulip sapphire]

I don’t think these are true, like they both pay a lot but not 600k a lot

[lost stratus]

Its dependent on the skilset

If someone is able to do well in a more front office / cpp role theyre likely to get a higher offer and able to negotiate higher

[rose holly]

are you good?

[lost stratus]

I have no quant exp so no i probably cannot get it without negotiation

[tulip sapphire]

youre doing swe this summer?

[short patio]

he's off his rocker

[lost stratus]

I meant first year tc

[tulip sapphire]

are you sure this wasnt some QR offer

with nego i can see that

even w/o tbh

[lost stratus]

Well its not common by any means

[tulip sapphire]

Radix negos from what i hear

but you have to have higher offers

[rose holly]

this is QD right?

[lost stratus]

Dont forget the super secretive firms that dont have any public profile

[short patio]

for swe? still like 600k is absurd

[lyric loom]

can u name some super secretive firms

[lost stratus]

Theyre usually more qr oriented but maybe

[lost stratus]

No idk of any

[runic grotto]

Stop reacting to yourself

[pastel geyser]

isn't radix kind of a secretive firm? like nobody really knows who they are except for people heavily into quant

[short patio]

no, secretive firms are the ones where people can't say they work there

[lost stratus]

Although slightly irrelevant a selby jennings recruiter told me they had a under the radar crypto quant firm run by ex pdt ppl but wouldnt tell me the name of it

[lost stratus]

No i would consider radix well known in regards to quant

[pastel geyser]

is talking to selby jennings worth it? i saw someone in my linkedin dms from there

[tulip sapphire]

not for you

[lost stratus]

They just ghost ppl who arnt good

So if your good then yes

Like your resume would be liked by quant firms

[tulip sapphire]

it's better if youre not a ng

and have a few yoe

[lost stratus]

That too

[pastel geyser]

i mean ya radix is well known in quant but they've also got almost no public presence and a recruiting budget that's probably around zero

[lost stratus]

Do they even have recruiters

[tulip sapphire]

yes

[lost stratus]

Iv only seen like 1 recently on linkedin

[pastel geyser]

idk if i'd call him a recruiter but i got coffee with a Quentin Ybarra from there

he seems like he's primarily in a recruiting role

actually what am i talking about i've seen their talent acquisition person

[tulip sapphire]

youre right but i also wouldn’t say this publicly

[lost stratus]

What did they say

[lost leaf]

[tulip sapphire]

[lost stratus]

I don't mean literally

[pastel geyser]

remember that people have had offers rescinded and gotten fired over discord messages pls

[broken thorn]

where

were they bad messages

[rose holly]

there used to be a quant discord

[runic grotto]

[broken thorn]

i feel like "yeah i cheated on that shit lmaoooo" u deserve to be rescinded

was it a harmless message like "fuck you" to a friend

that would be sus

[tulip sapphire]

no

let's end the convo here

anyways

was anyone at cit amplify in nyc today

[pastel geyser]

it's amplify, not datathon

it's also over iirc

the networking event for amplify this year was exceptional i've heard

[lost stratus]

Didnt they find stuff that not allowed to share

[chilly echo]

I am that super secretive firm. Best offer I can give is a half eaten sandwich and $25/hr salaried

[final forge]

hey at least you provide food

[lost leaf]

oh golly it would be a shame if i were to leak cromulent capital ip into the quants n traders channel

[final forge]

I heard somewhere that some firms code in c++

[lost leaf]

-ev

[lyric loom]

@rose holly

lurking

EL SQUIRREL

Good fuck u buddy

[fast gazelle]

@lyric loom can I get desco referral. Ik your dad works there

[lyric loom]

He’s not here anymore buddy

[lost leaf]

overthrew the government

[lyric loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030602183336534076/1078083045338402956/image0.jpg

I went to this dinner

a few days ago

[cyan sparrow]

@mossy bone kick this fraud

[scenic bison]

went out for dinner today.

[fast gazelle]

stop coping

[runic grotto]

Anyone else go to Jump dinner yesterday

[lost leaf]

get as much fried rice as possible, squeeze out all the oil. discard rice. drink oil

[scenic bison]

W reasoning

[runic grotto]

jump?

[lyric loom]

I’m the most cracked

why didn’t u tag me

[thorny gate]

how good is Bridgewater for swe

would you say its better than like a good start up like roblox

sheesh i turned their interview request down

cuz i looked at levels and wasnt impressed

what other trading firms is bridgewater comparable to

yeah ik

but in terms of TC

and technical intelligence

what is IE

oh nvm

yeah quite mid

why what did you fumble

but why is it a fumble

what is x

[runic grotto]

Wait didn't Google X rescind somebody earlier this year

Oh ok

[lyric loom]

Sidgewater Associates

@rose holly

Stop

[thorny gate]

why everyone clowning sid

[tulip sapphire]

school diff

Imagine going to hyp and getting resume rejected

:deadge;

[thorny gate]

should i email bridgewater recruiter saying it went to spam and id be interested in interviewing for future seasons

they emailed back in september

and i just ignored lol

[lyric loom]

Sidgewater Associates

[thorny gate]

are any of you guys cracked at c++

my school does c++ a lot and somehow I still bomb those interviews

wtf is debate

[tulip sapphire]

cuz he bw ie is better than he admits lol

he's goated fr

just cant realize it

[thorny gate]

got real nice prestige atleast

i mean they gave me an interview so bar cant be crazy

[tulip sapphire]

what is your question?

[thorny gate]

just how to get cracked at c++

like i read effective modern but then I got asked a bunch of design based questions that effective modern didnt cover

[pastel geyser]

is ols something that's necessary to grind

i feel like there are five different ways to get the formula for ols, each of which should take <30 minutes to memorize

[lost stratus]

What is ols and inference?

[pastel geyser]

ordinary least squares

[lost stratus]

What does it mean to grind them i meant

[pastel geyser]

@forest cobalt is this banh btw

[lost stratus]

How does one grind ordinary least squares

[thorny gate]

so is investmeng engineering like swe or like trading

[lost leaf]

anyone heard of dogwater associates?

[floral locust]

Rofl

[thorny gate]

cuz swes done become partners

[chilly echo]

that's not the question you asked

[lost leaf]

what is whalur

[lost stratus]

Im asking now

[lost leaf]

is that one of the secret firms

[chilly echo]

Whalur Associates

[lost leaf]

oh yeah i remember

[lost stratus]

Just go join lower east side capital

[final forge]

I'm reporting you to the police

[lost leaf]

bw

associates

[floral locust]

I was not responding to that

[lost stratus]

Theres a quant firm in las vegas called monick llc

[chilly echo]

💀

[pastel geyser]

it's literally just line of best fit

you learn about the properties of the regression inside and out

[lost stratus]

https://us.teamblind.com/s/PYv5LrUk

This firm used to give an iPhone 13 pro if you had a successfull refferral

[lost leaf]

an entire iphone 13

[pastel geyser]

eg if we have y = a + bx as our formula

you should know that b = r * (sigma_y)/(sigma_x)

and the formula for r^2

i know somebody who was asked to explain why we divide by n - 1 instead of n to get a sample variance

complete with mathematical justification of that as an "unbiased estimator" and an intuitive one

[final forge]

I remember learning that in intro stats and I still have no idea why tbh

[lyric loom]

@rose holly stop lurking

[pastel geyser]

Essentially suppose we have a distribution X, and we select n values X1, ..., Xn

[thorny gate]

where are all the systems levels nerds at this whole chat is math

[pastel geyser]

i got asked this when applying for qt roles as well

[short patio]

Yeah you’re doomed for your next internship maybe you’ll get IMC if you’re lucky

[pastel geyser]

basically i was asked "if we find a regression of y against x, that is y_hat = a + bx, and another of x against y, with x_hat = c + dy, what's the relation between b and d?"

by the way, where can i find more details of the important properties? it'll be important when i intern

damn i should've done math + CS + stats instead of math + CS + econ

[short patio]

Can you repost here I never saw

Nah he’s fucked don’t you see, he didn’t land rentech intern for soph

He’ll only make 400k NG not 600k

[lyric loom]

https://tenor.com/view/love-cats-cat-cute-hug-love-gif-16191958

[broken thorn]

oh like breaking nda? thats understandable

[short patio]

Some people are just ambitious who cares

Why not chase what you want then

Then do that instead of quant fuck it

[runic grotto]

:clueless:

[scenic bison]

wait

why do i actually have that emoji

[lyric loom]

I have this pic saved of mit students where they intern in the summer

[runic grotto]

Where are the other 500

[pastel geyser]

radix either wants obscene comp math background or research math background

[runic grotto]

Mean or median

[tulip sapphire]

idk about that

[short patio]

My friend just had prev QT at sig and interviewed there for NG from T30, think you can def land interview

[pastel geyser]

i was boutta throw hands

[short patio]

QR I think? Is QT more competitive?

[pastel geyser]

radix only hires interns for quant technologist

[scenic bison]

yeah lowkey

[pastel geyser]

speaking of competition math, anyone wanna see the competition programming questions i just had today

[scenic bison]

hearing him doom about his exp is making me doom

[pastel geyser]

oh what, i wasn't aware of that. huh

ik somebody who had a final round interview there actually

[chilly echo]

so by top college you mean harvard... because only harvard offers math 55

dub

[pastel geyser]

he was asked to code a wordle solver

[short patio]

BW -> zon pipeline is sick

[pastel geyser]

he just did the boring thing with finding average entropy and minimizing this

then he was put into a situation where he had to find an actual dp solution because the entropy is a good heuristic but not fully optimal

[lost stratus]

Who is the radix guy

[pastel geyser]

why would anyone go from here, a bridgewater job, and significant research in cs to amazon?

something like 2000 words idk

mental or physical

[lost stratus]

🧢 you don’t know half the firms on my list

[pastel geyser]

if it was physical i can actually understand

ben qi?

we all know him

[scenic bison]

0

[lyric loom]

Sid is sexy

[rapid cargo]

YAHKUNA

[lost leaf]

[lyric loom]

@lost leaf

[floral locust]

They’re done this year I believe

The ro rates are p low iirc

It’d be interesting to take a look inside that black box fs tho

5r is good