quants-n-traders

[fast gazelle]

apparently a lot of places do stuff like that

like citadel does it if you make over a certain amount

[signal charm]

does positions like quant trade/researcher in HFTs come under stem OPT ?

also can you apply to these as a cs major considering your job needs to en directly related to your major for intl students

[lime flume]

does anyone know about interviewing for swe after (failing) trading pipeline

[modest kayak]

anyone have hrt phone for core dev? what do they ask?

[spice ferry]

does anyone know what they ask goldman's hirevue?

I applied for swe and trading btw

[rose holly]

goldman has trading lol?

[candid root]

Is the IMC "Virtual First Round" the first round of their final? I'm supposed to be at final but dont know if they mean like first round, first round

[spice ferry]

my bad. the role is called summer analyst lol

[heavy moth]

How important is getting an internship?

[fast gazelle]

wtf is voleon

recruiter keeps on bugging me to apply

[stray pier]

does anyone know about Optiver quantitative trader technical interview?

[steel heron]

Lol

[visual marten]

got my first interview with a quant trader tomorrow 🙏🏾

tips?

[floral locust]

Where

[visual marten]

imc

[stark crow]

That’s odd, they usually reject fast if you didn’t make it

[fast gazelle]

maybe they're comparing candidates bc they have limited spots

[ionic sphinx]

i have imposter syndrome being in this server

[fast gazelle]

are they actually good

im not actually going to apply bc their hiring process is annoying

several rounds + references

[obtuse flame]

Citadel?

@fast gazelle

[fast gazelle]

bruh the guy deleted

i was talking about voleon

[obtuse flame]

Heard they’re ok if you want to do quant work, but otherwise no

[fast gazelle]

that exists

?

isn't ken a republican

i feel like he would call citadel woke for doing that

lol

[stark crow]

citadel is anal about gpa

[fast gazelle]

yea ken is kinda weird with that

and he has to sign off on every offer

even interns

also the top 5 accomplishments thing is so cringe

who tf cares

my top 5:

1. leetcode
2. leetcode
3. leetcode
4. leetcode
5. leetcode

[stark crow]

3.6/3.7

Unless you’ve won competitions in which case you bypass that requirement

Either cit sponsored or icpc/imo etc

[fast gazelle]

not necessarily for swe

citadel swe bar isn't that much higher than faang

[broken thorn]

urmom

[broken thorn]

srs?

[fast gazelle]

yes

[broken thorn]

so if i get gogle and citadel its basically a chocie between half the work and pay or double the work and pay?

[fast gazelle]

ig

but there are teams at citadel that have decent wlb (relatively)

especially if you consider citsec

[nocturne estuary]

citsex

[broken thorn]

real

[fast gazelle]

yea true

they're definitely pickier than faang

[broken thorn]

does google still ask dp

[fast gazelle]

officially, no

[broken thorn]

hopefully

[fast gazelle]

dp is supposedly the least applicable to software engineering

which i can understand

[broken thorn]

dp causes false negatives

cuz qualified engineers are still dumb

[fast gazelle]

yea the idea is that dp is quite difficult to get good at and is least likely to be relevant for swe so it's not worth testing

i feel like people are just bad at dp in general

[broken thorn]

just go back to asking us why manhole covers are round

[fast gazelle]

people are always scared of dp more than other topics

[broken thorn]

those were the best days

dp is easier than stack problems

[fast gazelle]

aren't manhole covers round so you can place it in any orientation

[broken thorn]

theyre round to fit the average american

fun fact rome has rectangle manhole covers

coincidence 🤔

[fast gazelle]

romans were rectangular

[broken thorn]

u think a middle aged american guy fits in that?

[fast gazelle]

does it have to be in one piece

why would you want a logo on a manhole

[broken thorn]

to advertise your man hole company

[fast gazelle]

adwords on a man hole

put the words around the perimeter

[broken thorn]

ok jokes aside

all interviews should just be fermi approximations

and if ur vibes are good on which assumptions u make, then u r good

yu

[nocturne estuary]

Monocock

[unique gyro]

Anyone done SIG trader second phone?

[digital bridge]

cock

[wise bramble]

cock

[hallow shoal]

same as first screen

[gray rune]

Horny monkey traders

[broken thorn]

quant interviews but they lock you in a room with a math textbook and see how far into the problems you can make it in 72 hours

thoughts?

[unique gyro]

So same difficulty? Ik it's same format

[hallow shoal]

yeh same diffuculty

not too bad

same type of deal

[unique gyro]

noice

Did you do final as well

[hallow shoal]

yeh. Same Thing basically with a bit more open ended

[unique gyro]

Cool

[pliant axle]

anyone know what drw phone is like?

for trading

[candid root]

Green book

[pliant axle]

like the probability and stats or like finance topics

heard drw asks option questions sometimes

[candid root]

Probability and stats

Iirc mine were two questions directly from it

I forget which two

Brain teasers also along w prob ^

[pliant axle]

good shit ive done the prob and stats section so many times ive basically memorized the problems

[drifting pelican]

In terms of internships, which companies in this space normally give out return offers? HRT?

[haughty hinge]

Anyone here had an interview with Jump Trading for QR?

[drifting pelican]

rip

is 2s competitive with the rest in terms of pay tho

ah i c

and maybe the best progression as well?

interesting

ah yeah i see it on levels now

How long does it generally take to progress through 2s levels? Is growth fast generally (I know its a case by case basis but just for the average engineer). Its fine if you dont know, thanks for the other answers

oh and are these for quant or for swe?

ohhh ok

is swe at these quant firms worth it compared to faang in your opinion?

elaborate

yeah this is what im trying to plan

im a freshman rn tho so its still very early

same

wait @robust totem did you get amazon?

gl mate

you got it

This is what I want to do but im gonna need to prepare heavy if I wanna hit these next year

Ill cram during the summer when I have time again

processes for?

Oh I got Amazon for next summer

haha

Nah, I wish I knew how to play

maybe I have to learn that over the summer

when did you apply

oh

yeah

but you at least have the final coming up

so you just gotta ace it

and you will

ummm my question was kinda hard but i would say med

and then the follow up was a bit harder

oh no it wasnt lc

or at least anything i had seen

it was just a medium level difficulty for me

i would say

if youve been studying youll ace it for sure

yeah quant vs faang is a big question to think about

[nocturne estuary]

i think only top tier quant is really worth it

[hallow shoal]

hard to say

tbh

it depends if you wanna take the less known firm for opporutnites

for next year

[nocturne estuary]

yeah but with noncompetes will you really be able to switch effectively

on the other hand i am sure any top quant firm would love big N

[hallow shoal]

fair

[drifting pelican]

What exactly is top tier quants? Like just the companies that are super well known or are there tiers within those companies as well

How would you guys tier the current well known quant firms ig is what I’m asking?

Like what’s s tier

[viscid ingot]

Anyone have experience with prop trading firms as a regular trader in Uk?

[drifting pelican]

A tier

B tier

[viscid ingot]

Just going off of levels.fyi think Hudson River Trading is highest pay so assume S Tier

Five rings is pretty high too

Atleast for grad in Uk anyway

[obtuse flame]

Like Jane Street and HRT and good teams at Cit and PDT and maybe five rings and jump

[modern flint]

do we need to be a god at cpp to be a SWE at hft firms??? curious sophomore who wants to learn go instead of cpp.

[ebon stag]

if you didn't contribute to c++11 then don't even bother applying

[obtuse flame]

Depends on which trading firm

[fast gazelle]

does it count if i updated the readme

[ebon stag]

fix typo pull requests

[modern flint]

ok thank you for the help!

[floral locust]

PDT is quite a random addition lol

[digital bridge]

i prefer PDN

[obtuse flame]

can’t forget about it

[floral locust]

But u can

They don’t hire ug qr and dev role isn’t great

[obtuse flame]

Oh I heard the dev role is pretty good tho

[floral locust]

Ok

[candid root]

Jump QR or QT intern interview experiences?

[rose holly]

Hi! Has anyone interviewed with HRT for the algo engineer role?

[slim meteor]

what about radix

I just got probably rejected from them

[floral locust]

It doesn’t make sense to compare 50 person firms to 500-1k firms lol

[drifting pelican]

Is team placement at cit randomized?

[floral locust]

Radix headlands tgs hire like 1-2 a year. Js hrt cit are like 50-100

[drifting pelican]

Yea JS and HRT would be amazing

[slim meteor]

radix isn't 50 anymore

[floral locust]

Ic

[slim meteor]

they opened a new office in amsterdam and are hiring like 30 people

[drifting pelican]

these are all quant numbers right? or are these swe as well

[slim meteor]

I know 2 people who got radix fte already this year so I guess they hire more now

[floral locust]

Radix tgs dev is achievable

Radix tgs qr are quite difficult

[slim meteor]

I would say dev is quite difficult too, but maybe I'm just weak af

[hallow shoal]

Just become a c++ god lol

[drifting pelican]

I need to get on this urgently

[slim meteor]

I didn't fail bcs of c++

I fumbled on probability, didn't expect it on swe and got caught off guard 💀

[drifting pelican]

They asked you that for swe????

was it like algo swe or ...

[slim meteor]

not qr

[drifting pelican]

wow

[slim meteor]

but idk yet but assume reject

[drifting pelican]

gl

[slim meteor]

I have jump and citadel interviews as well so maybe I'll have more luck there

[drifting pelican]

oh wow nice

are the rounds back to back for those interviews?

[slim meteor]

not yet but further ones I think are

also it's for internship

[drifting pelican]

yep yep

[slim meteor]

radix was for ng bcs they contacted me lmao

[drifting pelican]

oh really?? you got linkedin recruited?

very cool

[slim meteor]

yea they were like how it was at meta, bad yea no return offer , come to us

lol

[drifting pelican]

oh what year are you? meta is impressive af tho still

ah i see so youre trying to go for an internship that can set you up for ng returns hopefully?

im a 1st btw

[slim meteor]

I have 3 year uni, I'm not in US

[drifting pelican]

ohhhhh

[royal forge]

what school?

[slim meteor]

but I graduate in september, and thinking about masters

[drifting pelican]

ah nice, masters while you work or?

[slim meteor]

top 1 school in the country but not known internationally probably

[drifting pelican]

I wanna do masters while I work in the future, idk how long that will take but

[royal forge]

👍

[slim meteor]

idk yet, I'll go to worse uni maybe for part time masters

for now I just say I'll do masters to get internships lmao

idk if I will do one

[drifting pelican]

ah yeah thats probably pretty smart

[slim meteor]

I apply for both ng and intern

[drifting pelican]

yeah i gotta lc more before I can do these harder interviews first tho

[slim meteor]

palantir didn't want me for intern so went for ng

[drifting pelican]

I want to get good at dp and graphs and stuff like that

[drifting pelican]

did you get interview?

[slim meteor]

Yea I got through karat and now have HR I think

[drifting pelican]

nice

[slim meteor]

also amazon final and bloomberg, and hope for google to respond to me after OA

I just want smth

[drifting pelican]

yeaa i c

you got it

wait does anyone have a link to the quant discord server if there even is one?

[unique gyro]

I think the big one got nuked some time ago

[drifting pelican]

ahhhh rip

np then thanks

[royal forge]

[violet glen]

what happened to the big server

[pearl spade]

server nuked ppl snitched owner fired

[tulip sapphire]

do u go to princeton lmao

[tulip sapphire]

fired?

[slim meteor]

nope I'm not from US

[slim meteor]

I don't know any lol

there's google nvidia bolt uber snowflake, I think from big tech

[nocturne estuary]

Jane Street bizdev or DRW SWE

[fleet oriole]

Drw

[nocturne estuary]

I think so too

[fast gazelle]

DRW bizdev or jane street swe

[waxen owl]

Is it hard to move from SWE to trader after a year?

Thinking of going FAANG vs taking mid tier firm (both swe)

[broken thorn]

whats the mid firm

[honest hemlock]

He guys, has anyone ever interviews at two sigma before?

Specifically for quant research new grad?

[waxen owl]

akuna

[floral locust]

Akuna traders get poached quite a bit

[waxen owl]

Yeah not sure if its easy to transition from swe to trading tho

Would it be swe to quant dev first and then a jump? If anyone has done it or has any advice that'd be fantastic

[dim spade]

i heard the longer u are swe the harder it gets

cause swe dont help with trading at all and u gonna be up against experienced traders at that point when interviewing

[waxen owl]

yeah good point

[hallow shoal]

why would you not take akuna?

[floral locust]

If u want to be trader get exp with trader

[dim spade]

swe/faang might help in getting internship interview and maybe ng interview

[waxen owl]

This would be for new grad

[hallow shoal]

I think Akuna SWE will be better for getting NG interview

oh wait

[waxen owl]

Saw someone at Optiver work as swe for a year then transition to trader

[hallow shoal]

TC for both? which higher?

[waxen owl]

Like the same

[dim spade]

i think u can still interview for ng a year after school

[hallow shoal]

location preference?

[floral locust]

Cit poaches from Akuna quite a bit

[waxen owl]

No location preference really

[hallow shoal]

I guess what are you looking for?

[waxen owl]

TC for Akuna probably a lil higher but pretty much the same

[hallow shoal]

have you interned at that faang alreaady?

[waxen owl]

Looking to be a trader full time

Yes

[hallow shoal]

wait is this NG?

[waxen owl]

Yes new grad

[hallow shoal]

so you thinking about doing NG for 1 year then transition to Trader?

[waxen owl]

Yes ideally

[dim spade]

just dont wait until u gotta interview for experienced

[floral locust]

Ur kinda wasting a year if u take dev if ur long term goal is trader

[hallow shoal]

yeh most trading interviews aremuch different than SWE

keep applying for trading?

[waxen owl]

Fair I guess I’m not qualified to go into reading at all rn

So that’s why I was thinking of taking swe offer rn

Also not sure if internal transfer would be easier

[hallow shoal]

if you believe you can do trading did you apply this year?

[waxen owl]

Yeah failed 2 phones, also was swamped with fall internship

Taking lots of math and stats classes next semester

[hallow shoal]

ah

not sure. There are many options you could do so ahrd to say

[waxen owl]

Fair figuring I’ll try out quant swe then since company had a terrible earnings call today lol

[vernal hornet]

meta 😅

[royal forge]

bro 💀

[broken thorn]

ny

[tranquil nova]

Has anyone heard of black edge capital?

I can’t find anything abt them on Reddit

Or much anywhere

[broken thorn]

apparently im doing embedded stuff rn. is fpga engineer viable path in hft

like are there enough positions, is competition harder/easier, etc

[steel heron]

isnt that the dude from csmajors

[fast gazelle]

yea

he taught them what a brony was at dinner

[steel heron]

[clear sparrow]

Market making is providing liquidity to the market

[steel heron]

its not about buying a security when its low and then selling it when its high

market makers have a price at which they'll buy a security and a price at which they'll sell it

and they'll continuously accept both ask and bid orders at those prices

they take a cut (from the bid ask spread) and in turn people can "rely" on market makers to enable them to sell or buy securities

[bronze belfry]

yes, the power of fpgas is that the hardware description langs are able to do things in parallel

[floral locust]

Hardware earns less than software in hft

[bronze belfry]

as opposed to your typical programming languages that run sequential

really fast stuff

[floral locust]

If u like hardware stuff tho def feel free

[steel heron]

fpga engineer

[royal forge]

likely difficult to get an internship for that though

[bronze belfry]

even fgpa? weirdly i thought since it requires higher skill it would pay more

[floral locust]

Less competing offers

[bronze belfry]

makes sense

[fast gazelle]

I thought fpga engineers get bank

seems like it’s niche enough and important enough that these firms would pay a lot

[broken thorn]

yeah

what do they make then if its less

[hallow shoal]

i mean its still bank

but just not asss bank

[broken thorn]

like how much

[hallow shoal]

no clue

but my friend said its similar ratio to like amazon SDE vs HDE

8500 in seattle vs 10000

[broken thorn]

for intern?

[fast gazelle]

I thought fpga makes more than swe at hft

like all their strategies rely so much on the hardware that I doubt they would pay less

[nocturne estuary]

FPGA is not sustainable

At some point they’re gonna have to break the laws of physics

[steel heron]

Quantum engineer

[full aurora]

anyone got tips on cover letter writing for HFT quant applications?

[broken thorn]

openai sandbox

[full aurora]

💀

but what's the prompt? 🤔

[broken thorn]

"write me a cv for jane street"

[twin fable]

To whom it may concern,

I am excited to apply to Jane Street as a quantitative researcher. I strongly believe that I have the skills and experience needed to excel in this role.

I have a degree in mathematics from the University of Oxford and a PhD in machine learning from the University of Cambridge. I have worked as a research scientist at Google DeepMind and as a postdoctoral researcher at the University of California, Berkeley. I have published papers in leading academic journals, including Nature and Science.

I have experience with a wide range of machine learning methods, including deep learning, Bayesian inference, and reinforcement learning. I am also experienced in programming languages such as Python, Java, and C++.

I believe that my skills and experience make me an ideal candidate for the role of quantitative researcher at Jane Street. I am excited to apply my skills to the challenges of financial markets and to contribute to the success of Jane Street.

Regards,
name

ez

openai goated

i just wrote the first sentence

[steel heron]

literally copy this

even if u dont go to oxford

join cs majors discord

and send it to the recruiter who joined yesterday

[full aurora]

you know the username of the recruiter in there?

[broken thorn]

well now we know how cracked u gotta be to get js according to the ai

[twin fable]

imagine having all these qualifications and still needing to write a cover letter

[broken thorn]

why the fuck u even need jane street at tthat point

you already have tons of money from deepmind and tons of prestige from being a ucb professor

shes poker pro right

i doubt she played poker or works for bridgewater for the money

its competition

obv money helps, but you dont play 12 years of poker at the top unless you love that shit

it makes sense cuz her passion is the competitive aspect of it imo

idk if im making sense

but liek if ur whole life is academia and u switch to finance i think its usually cuz they feel like they werent paid enough for the effort they put in

but gddeeepmind is prolyl enough pay for effort to feel rewarded

[floral locust]

She doesn’t like poker that much

She told me if she knew about trading back then she would’ve done that over poker

[long raft]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/business/vanessa-selbst-poker-bridgewater.html

[steel heron]

grace li

[broken thorn]

makes sense

gambling with other peoples money is safer than with your own

solvers? is this like a mental algorithm that is nearly correct if you pulled out the hypergeometric calculator, or like online cheating or somethign

[sturdy hamlet]

memorizing the gto actions to take in every situation

[broken thorn]

are there good approximations to change ur options based oncard counting?

since draws w/o replacement have slight changes to the probabilities'

[vernal hornet]

there’s no such thing as card counting in poker

[broken thorn]

i dont mean blackjack counting, just changing based on replacement

for instance there are 4 aces in a deck and 52 cards, so 1/13 cards are aces

but it takes fewer than 13 draws on average to find an ace

about 10 if i recall

because if you draw 5 non-aces, the chances have increased to 4/47 instead of 4/52

[vernal hornet]

sure, but poker doesnt work that way in reality

[floral locust]

Ur thinking too hard

U just look at computer output

And copy want it does

Like what u do in chess

[broken thorn]

so ur using a computer to calculate for you?

icrush says its memorization

[floral locust]

Yes

U memorize computer output

So when u play ideally ur brain has a hashmap of what u wanna do

[rose holly]

Computer output for poker is still flip

GTO style has rng in it

[royal forge]

💀

[rose holly]

Computer will say jam 40 percent of time

So u need to rng

[unique gyro]

Is Optiver new grad comp good in Austin for SWEs

their OA was suspiciously easy

[hallow shoal]

Lol my friend just got Jump Offer

60k for trader

[unique gyro]

I thought Jump doesn't have "traders"

[fast gazelle]

idk what the new grad one is but their intern oa is also pretty easy

but ofc the resume screen is brutal lol

tbh a lot of quants have fairly easy OAs

[hallow shoal]

https://www.jumptrading.com/careers/4600505/?gh_jid=4600505 ?

Oh wait I think you right. He got QR

[violet glen]

what

oh wait nvm its intern

[floral locust]

Jump is near 100%

[floral locust]

Yes

[carmine mountain]

Does anyone know about Two Sigma's SWE work culture? And what is the work life balance?

[rose holly]

Good and good

Def the best in the quant world

Hi Judah (Elonh employeeh)

[carmine mountain]

Do you work more than 40 hours per week?

[rose holly]

Did you get offer @carmine mountain

[rose holly]

As an intern def not

Full timers seem to work under 40 too

For the most part

I think regilarly youll def be below 40, prob will have to go above once in a while but on avg should be 40 or less

Did you get offer

[carmine mountain]

Nope. Just got the OA, but was wondering if I want to do it since I already have a FAANG offer.

What's the process? OA->final?

And do you know the return offer rate?

[carmine mountain]

@rose holly

[rose holly]

Very high

[tough sand]

This video has so much toxicity in the comment section holy crap. What is wrong with people

[rose holly]

Theyre probably cit employees

Thats more than I did last summer

[celest anvil]

Anyone knows how many rounds total does js trading / quant research intern have?

[fast gazelle]

cit wlb is better

[void elbow]

"I'll help anyone interested on how to earn 80k in just 72hours in crypto currency exchange inbox if you are interested📥

[fast gazelle]

I’m interested but I only have clash of clans gems

[broken thorn]

80k rupees

[steel heron]

bombs, rope, lamp oil

[frigid zealot]

So uh

How do I get started

HRT JS 2S Jump Cit

[royal forge]

get good

[nocturne estuary]

Probably get into big N company first

[broken thorn]

how many distinct ways can you rank these companies if ties are allowed?

[frigid zealot]

I was at Meta and Amazon already hehe

[frigid zealot]

I already failed

[broken thorn]

if it makes u feel better it took 5 of us like an hour to solve

and 2 of them were quants

(mostly cuz we kept thinking we had the answer and then realizing we were wrong

[old shore]

isn't it #rankings where ties don't occur + #rankings where ties do occur

so smtg like

n! + ( (n choose 2)x(n-1)! + (n choose 3)x(n-2)! + ... )

actually no this doesn't account for multiple sets of companies tying

but i think that's the only discrepancy

(to explain my calc, e.g. for n=5, there are 5 choose 2 ways to select for exactly 2 companies tying, and (n-1)! ways to order them since you can "combine" the two companies into one place, assuming that ordering between the tied companies doesn't matter)

[winter rover]

it's the fourth ordered bell number which is 75

[broken thorn]

its ||541|| ways but please don't ask why because i have no goddamn clue

[winter rover]

oh nvm there are five companies not four. so it should be the fifth ordered bell number, whch is ||541||

[broken thorn]

ok but imagine doing that without knowing the ordered bell numbers

[steel heron]

Lmao

[slim meteor]

isn't that sum of 2nd kind stirling numbers multiplied by a factorial

oh that's a ordered bell number

I think stirling numbers are more known, I didn't know about Fubini

[royal forge]

lol

[golden steeple]

Ok how about allowing >= and <=

[steel heron]

it wouldnt make sense if you can use <=

unless that means you would only use <=

and =

[golden steeple]

O true

Also re the original question

Why couldn't we just do 5! * 2^4

5! Orderings of companies

[steel heron]

because you would get duplicates

[golden steeple]

4 operators, pick btwn == and >

[steel heron]

a=b=c is the same as c=b=a

did lost sophomore say this

its mine now

👨‍💻

[broken thorn]

close!

[steel heron]

You could technically attend all of HYPSM. The fact that you could actually attend all of them is insane😭😭. Princeton undergrad, harvard/mit md-phd program, stanford or yale for residency or fellowship😭😭

thats all i found when i tried to find that wikipedia page

[broken thorn]

i imagine if the internet existed since the beginning of society we would have stuff like this

someone makes a wikipedia article about the Fibonacci or something and its hella work in progress

[spice ferry]

what should I expect for IMC's trader interview (second round after recruiter call)?
^difficulty wise

[next girder]

Combinatorics

[royal forge]

maybe, but both are important

number theory is fundamental

[broken thorn]

theyre both cool

learn both

[floral locust]

Pretty easy

[heavy jungle]

Yeah IMC Trader Video wasn't that bad

Still waiting to hear back though

[nocturne estuary]

Literally

[fast gazelle]

can I join if I don’t have offer and never will

[little shale]

this is a swe discord but does anyone know what typical pay is like for FPGA interns @ any firm

[broken thorn]

our top bro scientists say 85% of swes

[little shale]

lmao sounds good

[broken thorn]

#quants-n-traders message

[lime flume]

anyone know waht ctc final is like

[lime flume]

bump^ for trading

[broken thorn]

is belvedere swe OA automatic

[signal bloom]

Same for Citadel
Is it automatic??

[royal forge]

they resume screen after OA

[spice ferry]

does getting the survey after GS hirevue mean anything?

😔

[royal forge]

is this for a quant GS pos?

[spice ferry]

yes

[royal forge]

gl 🙏

[delicate bobcat]

I think this is coloring but you use 2x1 tiles for the first 18 rows and 1x1 for the last 1

Tho there could be something simpler

[broken thorn]

i like this one. pretty sure its impossible but proving it is not trivially easy

havent figured out the proof yet

[broken thorn]

i think im close but im limited by a lack of m by n chess board editor

https://musketeerchess.net/tools/boardpainter/

[rose holly]

Did anyone interview with HRT for the Algo Eng role?

[steel heron]

i would just make a python backtracking script to determine the answer and then get blacklisted

[long adder]

Hardware development engineer?

[terse oyster]

JS SWE vs CitSec QD? citsec tc is a bit more but both are high enough that I dont really care. Can't really find anything about SWE experience at JS so a little confused

[slim meteor]

js swe is ocaml remember

but probably better wlb than citadel

[stoic hound]

does SIG really only pay ~$150K starting?

or is levels wrong

[broken thorn]

time complexity? yes

[royal forge]

~200k seems more accurate

theres a posting there from 2 days ago

[stoic hound]

kk

[signal bloom]

I have a quick question.

I'm a college freshman (T-50 Liberal arts college)
planning to major in CS and Mathematics and I'm interested in Quant

[broken thorn]

drop the cs major

take a proof writing class asap

[signal bloom]

I've read a lot of posts about quant
and mentioning that, you'll need to be in T-10 colleges with Math competitions and ....

Is it worth a try to get into quant being at T50 Lac?

[broken thorn]

just do the math competitions

i think so

high performer in putnam should get them to care

and if ur gpa is near 4.0 thats good too

[hallow shoal]

hes trolling

[broken thorn]

ive heard top 500ish in putnam is impressive (gettinf about 20 points on the test)

[signal bloom]

GPA already tanked by writing classes T_T

[broken thorn]

which of us is trolling quant achived

[hallow shoal]

you lmao

if you T50 you won't have the benefits of better schools. Maybe try and get like Faang+ and then transition to Quant after that internship

[broken thorn]

for sure

[signal bloom]

I'm thinking of graduating early, working 2 years as SWE or whatever I can and going to grad school and doing quant. (if I cant get into quant as an undergrad)

[broken thorn]

i figure most reasonable strat is noname to faang to finance for ur 3 internships

thats a unique path

tbh i think id stay in shool and do putnam if i were u

also is this qt, qr, or swe at faang?

[signal bloom]

I'm applying to Internships rn (as a freshman)
started late october

Do you have any suggestion to get into noname?

[broken thorn]

spam applications to everywhere, cold email small local companies, go on indeeed or linkedin to apply for small places too

i hear indeed has lots of small placee

[royal forge]

😂

[tribal plinth]

He too based

[candid root]

Wow IMC only took 2 days to get back

So crazy

[steel heron]

Which one sounds more interesting to you

I think learning combinatorics for interviews sounds a lot easier than learning number theory

[floral locust]

Self teach combos is fine

There are a plethora of online sources

[dim spade]

i expect u to teach me this

[obtuse flame]

JS 1000%

Much better environment, no gamble on cit team

[terse oyster]

I interned at citadel and liked it soooo

[obtuse flame]

JS y1 is 550k with no nego this year

Cit you have to be high performer or bidding war I think right?

[terse oyster]

Both

I got a team change aswell to be more front office

[obtuse flame]

I’ll lean towards JS also to try out different companies

Can you do one of them off season

[terse oyster]

No. I'm also leaning towards JS cause of diversity in resume and prestige

Figure I could always go back to cit

[obtuse flame]

Yeah I agree

Heard some firms also only hired JS interns for ft

Actually maybe only one lol

[hallow shoal]

JS this year

was 550k for SWe?

HRT was only 430 SWE and my friend at CIT SEC SWE got 450 no NEGO

These were both return interns too

JS 550k sounds a little bull with no nego

unless its trader or QR*

oh damn

lowball fiesta

did HRT just run out of money?

[obtuse flame]

Trader is like 750 lol

[terse oyster]

Cit is always lowball

[floral locust]

Hrt u can nego

[floral locust]

Lol

[hallow shoal]

holy shit

what?

[floral locust]

It’s not

[terse oyster]

They have crazy negotiation headroom

It's kinda disgusting tbh

[hallow shoal]

if you had optiver swe vs cit swe

where to choose?

[floral locust]

Cit

[terse oyster]

Optiver was too low

Rejected that

[floral locust]

Nice

[hallow shoal]

damn

[sand heron]

Did anyone got to JS final ?

[hallow shoal]

time to rerecruit next year 🙃

[sand heron]

I want to ask questions about the format of the onsite

if possible

[terse oyster]

Same as phone screen

[hallow shoal]

2 OOD

[terse oyster]

Just longer

[hallow shoal]

if you make it past

you get more of that

if you dont you don't make it to lunch

Lol

[terse oyster]

Minimum 2 max 4

[sand heron]

to be specific for trader

[obtuse flame]

SWE is rng, mine was not ood lol

[hallow shoal]

oh same thing as well

[obtuse flame]

Might be luck too

[sand heron]

especially about the market making game

[terse oyster]

I am not sure if getting only 2 means you are rejected. It might be that you're really good

[sand heron]

do they give you time to compute Expected value and std deviation ... or do they expect you to be super fast ...

[terse oyster]

I for what it's worth bombed my second one

[obtuse flame]

maybe my sources are wrong but should be around that ball park

[terse oyster]

4-500

[terse oyster]

Not for swe

[hallow shoal]

its 450 this year return intern

optiver return intern is like 425

[drifting pelican]

What is the difference between Quant Trader and Quant Research at JS

[hallow shoal]

HRT return intern is like 430

[floral locust]

I have 5/6 firsthand sources

[floral locust]

Rly?

[terse oyster]

Are you at some js factory

[floral locust]

Wot

[hallow shoal]

yeh from friend

[floral locust]

Interesting

[hallow shoal]

without intern its like 340?

[sand heron]

haha obviously, but I'm training for the "make a market on a something" game and I always take 2/3 minutes to compute the EV/deviation before coming up with a market. It's not fast so I'm wondering if they give you some time to think or they want an answer straight away

[terse oyster]

No clue sorry :/

[sand heron]

tnx nonetheless

[terse oyster]

So that's why my offer was so low huh

[hallow shoal]

I wonder what HRT

no intern is

[hallow shoal]

was yours 340?

[floral locust]

U took cit over optiver?

[hallow shoal]

nah didn't have cit in hand at the time

[obtuse flame]

So is it far off or just not 750k exactly? Cause I never said it’s exactly 750

[floral locust]

What is your claim

That 750 is achievable for algo dev?

Or that it is standard

No

[terse oyster]

Yes, tc diff too big but also had js offer already so didn't really care

[floral locust]

It’s 575

No

Citsec vs hrt is close

Team dependent

[terse oyster]

You chose citadel from citadel and CitSec?

[obtuse flame]

Oh ok, thanks for the correction

[hallow shoal]

Dang how is JS so high

Compared to competition firms

[terse oyster]

Ah citadelx guys were amazing

[floral locust]

There are 4 places with 600

Of the major firms

Uhhhh

5

[terse oyster]

Did you intern with cdx?

[hallow shoal]

Why is HRT so low this year through

[floral locust]

Citsec, hrt, jump, js, tower can all go ~600 for qt qr

Not anymore

Inflection point

read the end of statement lols

[terse oyster]

I thought tower took a big hit and was laying low for some time

[floral locust]

Team dependent

[obtuse flame]

HRT is sus with return offers this year, heard can not as good returns

[floral locust]

Yea tower qr asked me ml for last round

I got coolered rip

[hallow shoal]

What’s JS NG

No intern

[floral locust]

500

575 qt qr

[terse oyster]

From my very small sample space it was 3/5

[floral locust]

3/5 2/3 has no sig diff lol

[hallow shoal]

these salaries and comparisons are truly a touch grass moment

😂

what about optiver internship xp

any insights

[terse oyster]

Well I don't think the return offers were a surprise

There was one guy who I thought would get it but didn't. I think he got rejected cause he wasn't a good cultural fit but for everyone else it was do good on your project and you're in

[obtuse flame]

They recently had a raise I’m pretty sure

Across roles

[floral locust]

I will confirm/deny

[terse oyster]

The projects are harder than you'd expect from say fang

Also it was very hands off so you'd have to really communicate a lot and figure out shit on your own

[floral locust]

U interned at cit?

[terse oyster]

Yeah

[floral locust]

Nice

It’s 500

Js swe

I agree with ur decision of cit over 2s internship

[obtuse flame]

Cool cool

[floral locust]

I think 2s swe is marginal relative to FAANG so if u believe yourself not to int next year it’s worth taking the risk of cit

[violet willow]

hello yahkuna, long time no see

[hallow shoal]

no inting

we got this

🤝

[floral locust]

I am just trying not to get fired

When I start ft next week somewhere(not js)

[hallow shoal]

AQR?

[floral locust]

How is arrowstreet intern comp so high

Aqr has mid strats but are mega levered so they get decent ish returns

[hallow shoal]

wait why is arrowstreet intern so high then?

levels is wack tbh

[floral locust]

That’s comparable to everywhere else

Yes

[heavy jungle]

Jesus I didn’t know it gets that high. Any advice for my upcoming citsec quant research interview?

[tranquil nova]

anyone have info on blackedge?

[floral locust]

I’m too dumb to help for that

Citsec qr can go higher

[heavy jungle]

my phone interview is this week

[hallow shoal]

glgl

[rancid spoke]

They manage pension funds, teachers fund a shit ton of insurance funds

[torn knoll]

jump swe intern vs. imc swe intern? thoughts?

[floral locust]

Jump

[hallow shoal]

jump vs optiver swe?

[floral locust]

Jump seems cooler than js hrt cit

For swe

[floral locust]

Swes just seem closer to the PnL at jump than other firms

[signal bloom]

What projects and experiences do quant(straight out of undergrad) have on their resume?
/The people who are not top 1%, winning math competitions/

[steel heron]

quant internships

[signal bloom]

not winning math competitions*
(not on the leaderboard)

[signal bloom]

How to get the first quant internship?

[steel heron]

go to good school and be smart ig

[little shale]

how long does sig usually take to schedule next next rnd interview ? (2nd round -> 3rd round final), think i aced mine

[royal forge]

t20s

[dim spade]

think math/stats/cs is valued more

mostly math

[royal forge]

for swe at quant?

[dim spade]

i was thinking trader

[royal forge]

Idk it;s hard to say

[dim spade]

well ik math is valued higher than financial engineering at js

[royal forge]

they mainly just want smart ppl

major doesn't matter

[dim spade]

still better to pursue a degree that will help

if that's the goal of the masters

[next girder]

Good school, research experience, publications

[dim spade]

i dont know

[obtuse flame]

Just do CS tbh

[steel heron]

financial engineering isnt viewed very good

[heavy jungle]

Ty

[digital bridge]

xue hua piao piao bei feng xiao xiao

[nocturne estuary]

QR expects you to get a grad degree before starting usually

Even if you get an undergrad internship

They would expect you to go and do a masters before starting full time

[unique gyro]

Ik couple trading interns that got return offers from firms as quants

They had ML publications tho

[nocturne estuary]

You can get a return but like I’m pretty sure there’s still an expectation or desire for more formal education

[unique gyro]

I mean u can't generalize to all firms but idt that was the case w these guys

[nocturne estuary]

Yeah

[unique gyro]

Like if they think you're cut out for it there's no point in going into a master's or phd where you'd learn stuff that's not even applicable in trading

[broken thorn]

i thomk it might be worth if ur life goal is to be a trader cuz then u get many internship opportunities

[unique gyro]

Not what I was saying

[broken thorn]

from what ive herd its very hard to get trader after u join industry as somethign else

maybe not true tho, just what someone who is cracked here siad

[long raft]

Did someone also had to do an OA For Jump trading? (swe)

[candid root]

Structure for IMC final?

[broken thorn]

imc is so needy lol they double email me every time begging me to do the next steps and saying why imc is so great

i dont even think ive passed resume screen yet lol

[nocturne estuary]

CMI

IMC

[sturdy hamlet]

anyone have a datapoint on sig’s ng SWE offer this year other than the one in csmajors

[zinc sleet]

how long does SIG take to get back for scheduling technical after phone?

[nocturne estuary]

not long

for me at least, but that was a while ago

they might be more full now/more applicants to handle

[radiant rivet]

anyone do jane street insight

if so what shd i expect for coding challenge?

leetcode style qs or like math/probability?

[signal bloom]

^

[hasty hill]

Yeah whatever u find and wanna pin go go for it

Make separate posts if you want and just write informative comment

If you pass my code review then u will be pinned

[sand willow]

any HRT python swe ppl here

[broken thorn]

how many zeta macs should i be able to zetamac @rose holly

[keen grove]

has anyone here done the Citadel onsite for SWE and the PDT Partners onsite for platform engineering?

also what is platform engineering 💀

[hasty hill]

👍

[keen grove]

there's a PDT merch link?

I got skipped from applying to onsite lol

damn ok rip me. I haven't touched LC in so long

oh and has anyone done the Akuna QR phone?

there are pdt slides ⁉️

[keen grove]

damn I want me some slides

[broken thorn]

is belvedere oa closed?

[royal forge]

yes

[broken thorn]

based

2.5 hours of my life restored

[royal forge]

FR 💀

[broken thorn]

ngl kinda sad tho i heard their question 2 was pretty cool

it was dp except u have to save subproblems as hashes instead of in an array

[fast gazelle]

citadel system design can be legit system design

the sys design question i got was basically one you'd see in grokking the system design interview

it's actually a variant of one of the examples

[radiant rivet]

wait what exactly do you mean? as in I should know probability and logic too?

[royal forge]

wtf

i just cached normally

https://leetcode.com/problems/parallel-courses-iii/

it's this

[floral locust]

pdt has merch?

[broken thorn]

isnt this a DAG problem

instead of a dp

[royal forge]

im not sure what that means

its dfs

[broken thorn]

directed acyclic graph. means u can do a topological sort

which is linear time sort

[floral locust]

js asks probability for trading final?

[broken thorn]

basically dfs but sort by post order numbers

[brisk stream]

js trading is easy

gambol gambol

[floral locust]

yea they'll let anyone pass the final

🪞

[royal forge]

i'm familiar with dags, i just don't see how that or topsort apply

i just did dfs

[floral locust]

c1 above js trading as well

i failed c1 passed js

2s is for lazy mofos

french

[signal bloom]

Quick question: Are you all from top schools(T30) and who participated in/won Math Olympiads?

[broken thorn]

ngl we all shit on 2sigma but i think good wlb an dpay is probably a sweet deal

[brisk stream]

tru

[floral locust]

hiru i need brain dead system 1 hobbies

any suggestions?

[broken thorn]

chaewon shits on 2sigma so much that i feel like thats the common opinion

[brisk stream]

wat is system 1

[broken thorn]

unplayable holy shit renege

[floral locust]

system 1 is like fast thinking, no brainpower

system 2 is slow deep thinking

[brisk stream]

nerd

poker

[floral locust]

poker is no longer fun for me

[broken thorn]

system 1 hobbies are for the weak

system 2 for 15 hours a day

[brisk stream]

good

[floral locust]

should i learn golf?

[broken thorn]

wtf does that mean, show up oace a week?

[floral locust]

im getting a golf cart

[brisk stream]

yeah

And surf

[broken thorn]

u should learn to ski for system 1

and also fly airplanes

it becomes system 1 after u get cracked at air planes

[brisk stream]

Do u work at 2sig

[broken thorn]

tc?

for swe or qant

[brisk stream]

there aren't even 25 work days in a month

[broken thorn]

thats pretty good david

are u intern?

swe or quanT?

[brisk stream]

2sig wfh is pretty decent though

[broken thorn]

intern tc?

LOL they penny pinching yall

5 bucks if ur soph

those 5 bucks are priced in

[royal forge]

what did u take

guessing cit

[brisk stream]

good choice

cit 😍

[broken thorn]

2 sigma over citadel then start a family at age 23

[royal forge]

how many swe interns does cit take every cycle?

[brisk stream]

we take roughly 200 across cit/citsec

[broken thorn]

from cs majors discord. perhaps a billionaire, perhaps a troll, likely somwhere in the middle

[royal forge]

ok that seems doable

[brisk stream]

u can find articles that give u the exact number for the past 2 yr tho

[broken thorn]

is js that big?

[brisk stream]

we had ~100 for citsec

[floral locust]

js was like 80 for nyc

[royal forge]

hopefully i don't get school screened again

[broken thorn]

are there really that many cs majors out there? i thought hft was like top .1%

[floral locust]

imagine having more dev than trader interns

[broken thorn]

they very smart and have good advice generally

[royal forge]

its def top 0.1

[brisk stream]

ok dev g

[broken thorn]

but this sounds like theres about 500 top HFT/quant swe interns, and theres gotta be way less than 500k CS interns

i mean 500k cs majors

[floral locust]

can u teach me to talk to women?

[royal forge]

nah 500k sounds right

[broken thorn]

google says its like half that i guess (50k/year*4 years)

i guess it checks out

[royal forge]

50k cs majors per class?

amazon hires 11k 😂

[brisk stream]

they love talking about poker and greeks

[broken thorn]

😂

[brisk stream]

ya I've heard of them but idk much else about the hf side

[floral locust]

noted ✍️

who has the better cafeteria cit or citsec?

uh

[brisk stream]

citsec for sure

Chicago food is second best

[floral locust]

that is a strong claim

[brisk stream]

second to sydney

[royal forge]

😭

[brisk stream]

prob just Uber eats there

too small to have food

[floral locust]

sydney is so far away

surfing in sydney sounds sick in the winter tho

[brisk stream]

fast in business class

depends on ur manager

[royal forge]

💀

[floral locust]

wouldn't the flight time be the same regardless of seat?

[brisk stream]

wall time /= patience time

[floral locust]

i heard they put the shitters on ll options for citsec

least desirable team by far

[brisk stream]

nah ll options has the most cracked ppl in the industry

no one else comparable

tru tru

not cause it's nice

Cause it's close to office

is nice tho

[floral locust]

marqueeeeeeeee

[brisk stream]

basically dorms lol

[broken thorn]

she

the pfp is kpop star

[floral locust]

isn't it great you get to work, climb, eat, and live with your coworkers in the same .2 mile radius 😍

day in day out

[brisk stream]

imagine spending that much time with your coworkers 🤔

it's like they live on their own little island

[floral locust]

.

its not little

nassau is 80 square miles 😤

[brisk stream]

cit is chill you'll be fine

[royal forge]

we need to make a tqd 2

this chat isn't enough 😈

[dapper iris]

chi food is mid

nyc is better for food trust

[brisk stream]

Ya the $150+ omakase scene in nyc is def > chi

[dapper iris]

everyone hyped up kyoten in chi, it was good but it wasnt anything special except the rice was pretty good

[brisk stream]

try ryo

it's my fav

[dapper iris]

god i tried it it’s not that good 😭

for free it is tho

the best thing ive had off ubereats so far was prob the smith’s salmon

[broken thorn]

omg are u the real faker

[royal forge]

Kyoten is mid too 😓

[dapper iris]

no its not my time yet

im thenextfaker everyone just calls me faker

[dapper iris]

yasuda and masa are better in nyc

[keen grove]

cap

chi got some amazing food

idk where y'all went

[royal forge]

So I should drive to nyc every day 💀

[dapper iris]

ginza onedera and prob noz too

[dapper iris]

where should i go

some guy at kyoten recc’d oriole so ill prob hit that up soon

going to ever soon prob too

[royal forge]

Are u Ft in chi or school there

[dapper iris]

ft why

hbu

[royal forge]

Just curious

Intern next summ

I’ve heard chi is dope in Summer

[dapper iris]

nice nice

wait what is ur pfp

[royal forge]

[dapper iris]

that looks like asuna

[royal forge]

Ye

[dapper iris]

but the right one doesnt look like kirito lol

so i didnt know

asuna is goated

[royal forge]

It is acc

Nice scene

[royal forge]

FR

[keen grove]

Bandit, Au Cheval, PB&J, all have great happy hours

Little Italy in general has great food

Chinatown has been a constant hit whenever I went

Billy Goat Tavern is an amazing burger for cheap

[dapper iris]

ive been there

[rose holly]

faker have you tried omakase mako

[dapper iris]

its just good for how much u pay tho

[rose holly]

i thought it was aight

[dapper iris]

its not that good in general

[rose holly]

not worth the price

[dapper iris]

im going in dec

[rose holly]

oh nice

i was dumb and booked the table omakase

instead of bar

[dapper iris]

idk everyone told me kyoten was miles above everywhere else tho

including the guy next to me whos been there “more times than he can count”

[royal forge]

I only know arrow street but idk if that counts

[brisk stream]

I'm at sushi rn

[dapper iris]

ok i cant speak to sushi in japan 😭