Dungeons and Dragons

[craggy pelican]

like the exact opposite

we both agree angron is just mid ig

[plush thicket]

well the death guard page is literally missing from the store so guess I ain't getting Morty XD

[craggy pelican]

rip

[plush thicket]

it's £25 cheaper to buy them from not GW XD

[craggy pelican]

ofc

[plush thicket]

in any case, 1 vote for morty, 1 vote for fulgrim

[hollow plume]

1 vote for Alpharius

[craggy pelican]

litearlly the most boring primarch bro isnt even much bigger than a marine

[hollow plume]

He has the best subtle drip ever

[craggy pelican]

the drip of the entire legion is pretty damn good , but alpharius himself is just super boring

[hollow plume]

You only think he's boring because he rarely takes to the field and becomes a walking target, my goat played both sides and even in death his twin's still wreaking havoc

[craggy pelican]

no i think the espionage factor is cool and all , i just think he should look more unique than his marines , i find the whole "i am alpharius" thing dumb

[dark stream]

meanwhile I know nothing of warhammer, except that the sisters of battle are cool

https://tenor.com/view/elliered-sisters-of-battle-gif-19127151

or something

[craggy pelican]

i think you'd love these girls , they're an assasin faction that can shapeshift to look like other people , all female , and thier identities are kept secret even from eachother

[dark stream]

https://tenor.com/view/adepta-sororitas-sister-of-battle-mad-cup-gif-7124970825008737609

[hollow plume]

I love them but they are not as cool as my sisters of silence

[dark stream]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-battle-sister-vr-victory-gif-13013532345785717387

[hollow plume]

https://tenor.com/view/sisters-of-silence-warhammer-40k-40k-finger-guns-gif-7794841643770757519

[craggy pelican]

yeah the sisters of silence are neat too

[dark stream]

I know they're making a warhammer total war set in the 40k time

I hope they make a sisters of battle legendary lord

[hollow plume]

That will tragically be DLC

[dark stream]

beyond the sisters of battle, the only ones I could even remotely see myself play, is the tyranids

[craggy pelican]

you no likey assasins i sent?

[dark stream]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4199910/Total_War_WARHAMMER_40000/

Steam

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[dark stream]

I don't know them other than assassin lady- I'm not full on "assassins" as a whole
I like subtle deadly more-

the sisters of battle reminds me of norse mythos valkyries

which is something I'm a big fan of

[craggy pelican]

they're espoinage agents , fit in a place with shapeshifting , cosy up to a target and then moider

[dark stream]

https://www.totalwar.com/games/warhammer-40k

[dark stream]

I assume in the game, all the "hoomans" are on the same faction anyway, so you can get all the units you'd want

[craggy pelican]

the imperium would be way too large if they do that

probably gonna split it up to the church , marines , assasins and custodies

[dark stream]

might

in total war 3, they have like species factions, but then in that faction is different types of units
usually with different legendary lords that buffs a unit type in some way or other

[craggy pelican]

each of the factions i mentioned can have like 10 unit types

[hollow plume]

Considering how we have space Marines and imperial guard as two different factions, I reckon sisters of battle will be their own group

[craggy pelican]

every branch of the imperium would probably be its own faction yeah

[dark stream]

I for one would appreciate that, more emphasis on the best group

if you made a sister of battle in dnd, would it be an artificer or a battle domain cleric?

[craggy pelican]

battle cleric

a subfaction of the sisters literally goes to battle naked

maybe some barbarian in there

too smol , better picture

[hollow plume]

Zealot barbarian or Oath of Redemption

[craggy pelican]

zealot fits better

[hollow plume]

Normal sisters of battle would be paladins of Devotion of Clerics of War

[dark stream]

yee, the war clerics is what I'm thinking

and highly set in their way

[hollow plume]

I put in Paladin on the basis that Space Marines are actually fighters not paladins

Same for Imperial Guard

[craggy pelican]

i think the only paladins would be the grey knights

[hollow plume]

Even then you have Rune Knights and Eldritch Knights

[dark stream]

war domain cleric also automatically give proficiency in martial weapons

though I don't know what guns in dnd count as

the gun part and heavy armour is why I added artificer

[hollow plume]

Gunslingers have it

Marital weapons typically, though I have seen in some more modern homebrews that bows and crossbows are reskinned guns

Admech are easily just artificers, but the more esoteric branches would be sorcerors and wizards

[plush thicket]

war cleric

[dark stream]

war cleric with gun

[plush thicket]

also Justin, I'll paint Alpharius when he gets a 40k mini

[dark stream]

and off hand mace/flail or something, not sure what melee they use

[hollow plume]

Electro priests are storm sorcerers for example, but things like a Magos or Skitarii can easily be a tempest cleric of a gravity wizard

Assassins are much more diverse roguess, barring eversor who is just a barbarian.

[craggy pelican]

barbarian is too slow for eversor , gotta be some sort of wild magic sorc mainly for the moment they die and blow

[hollow plume]

No a barbarian can be fast

[plush thicket]

Evasor is actually a monk

[hollow plume]

I've taken Karlach and given her a rapier and shortsword, so her as a Dex and con stat means she gets a higher AC and a fast blender

[craggy pelican]

something about a monk being super high on performance enhancing drugs that they literally explode sounds just.. .wrong

[plush thicket]

and yet, I'm correct

[craggy pelican]

i still think wild magic has to be involved

[hollow plume]

Not necessarily

An eversor is just a roided up person, the explosion is just something that's a last resort

[plush thicket]

anyway, Justin, actual answer plz, of the options provided

[hollow plume]

Angron

Just cuz of the murdermachine he is

[craggy pelican]

so we have a vote for each

[plush thicket]

Factions will probably be:
Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Sisters of Battle
Eldar
Orks
Necrons
Chaos

with the different chapters like Raven guard or ultramarines having their own legendary lord

[dark stream]

[dark stream]

assuming at least some dlc factions and what not too

[plush thicket]

yeah

on release it's probably Marines, Guard, Orks, Chaos

the rest will get DLCs

got this today, is pretty good so far but I've only done the first area

[craggy pelican]

oo i wanted to try this out , let me know how it goes when you're done

[plush thicket]

It's more Ori then HK

if that makes sense

[dark stream]

maybe

I don't know what melee they use, though I think they use guns more

[plush thicket]

that works

[craggy pelican]

chainswords most of the time

[plush thicket]

they can use chainswords but a lot of them have power swords as well

[dark stream]

[plush thicket]

I have a full army of them

[dark stream]

[plush thicket]

this is the best model

there is no debate

it's a tank with an organ on top, that shoots missiles

[dark stream]

skull babies

[plush thicket]

yeah, sisters have a lot of skull babies

[craggy pelican]

thats going in the folder

[plush thicket]

k

[plush thicket]

fission mailed, buys Abaddon instead

[craggy pelican]

if you do you have to buy the MTG card abaddon as well

[plush thicket]

I already have the mtg deck

[craggy pelican]

[plush thicket]

I sold a small Eldar army I had for the Abaddon deck and £100

was a good deal

[dark stream]

would be.. quite something to play a 40k dnd campaign
somehow make characters likely of different factions work together

[plush thicket]

it probably wouldn't work in D&D tbh

you'd be better off with another system

[craggy pelican]

i mean thats just what rouge trader is isnt it?

[plush thicket]

mmmm yes and no

RT is based off one of the 40k rpg iirc

Don't know how good they are

I think they tend to be very heavy on the rules

[dark stream]

what sort of feats would a war cleric based on a sister of battle want?

[plush thicket]

Tough

weapon master

[dark stream]

I know they shoot guns and are faith based fanatics

[plush thicket]

sharpshooter

that one that lets you inspire your team

[dark stream]

so sharpshooter, and inspiring leader

[plush thicket]

that's the one

but also Tough and maybe weapon master or heavy armour master

[dark stream]

I was considering weapon master, but war cleric are already proficient in all martial weapons

[plush thicket]

I thought it was just specific ones but I'm probably misremembering

[plush thicket]

well don't need weapon mastery then XD

[dark stream]

[plush thicket]

but the others are still good

[dark stream]

yee

tough, sharpshooter, inspiring leader, maybe war caster

I don't know if sisters of battle actually "cast"

but they do hold weapons so not both hands are free

[plush thicket]

not cast in the way a psyker or wizard would

but they pray and sometimes miricles happen

[dark stream]

5e divine intervention

[plush thicket]

kinda yeah XD

you could probably just flavour the spells as being tech

[dark stream]

then maybe fighting initiate for the ranged fighting style would fit

[plush thicket]

yeah, that'd fit too

tbh depending on what "unit" you were trying to make, you can justify just about any class

[dark stream]

https://tenor.com/view/elliered-sisters-of-battle-gif-19127151

[plush thicket]

like they have paragon warsuits that could be an armourer artificer

[dark stream]

yeah for me I was thinking the war cleric, or artillerist artificer

[plush thicket]

btw my dad gave me a new mini
you'll love it
it's Queen Victoria with a double barrel shotgun

[dark stream]

[craggy pelican]

i need to see that

[dark stream]

would the sisters of battle be considered "chaotic good"? or some notion of "lawful"?

[plush thicket]

lawful evil I'd say

[dark stream]

I would say chaotic lawful, but that's not a thing

[plush thicket]

you will when she's done

[dark stream]

[craggy pelican]

thats.. just true neutral

[plush thicket]

lawful because they do believe in the rule of law
but evil because the law is a tyrannical distopia

[dark stream]

yee

fanatics

[dark stream]

I don't know what type of gun fits, so I just made it a revolver from dnd

since not 2-handed

[plush thicket]

two main guns that sisters use are the bolt pistol and the boltgun (same as the space marines)

but I believe smaller versions of both

revolver probably fits for a bolt pistol

[dark stream]

I also gave her the "healing word" spell, but not cure wounds
and if leveled, won't get other healing spells

the healing word meant to be something like a moral boost to let someone keep fighting, or something

[dark stream]

I'll rename it that then

[burnt storm]

Lawful doesn't refer to the current politics or regime. It has to do with following a rigid moral set.

[hollow plume]

A lawful evil character will do horrible things but has their own code

[burnt storm]

I mean, if the law is chaotic, following it rigidly doesn't make one lawful

And vice versa

[plush thicket]

lawful is the attitude towards society

devils are lawful evil for this reason

demons are chaotic evil because they have no society they're just endlessly fighting

[burnt storm]

I disagree because there can be lawful and chaotic within those opposing the laws of a tyrannical society.

If you don't believe this, and all such freedom fighters would be chaotic, since they opposed the rest of society, then I guess we just have different defs tho.

I like my def of lawful because it doesn't even need 'society' or 'government' or even governmental law. But others will dislike it for that same reason.

[plush thicket]

I agree with this except I reach a different conclusion

a freedom fighter is someone who is against an unjust society making them chaotic, but their opposition to a tyrannical society makes them a good person

hence chaotic good

and my view of how the alignment functions is only in line with how they are defined within the game of D&D itself

not necessarily a reflection of how I view the world

the law/chaos axis is defined as the distinction between "the belief that everything should follow an order, and that obeying rules is the natural way of life", as opposed to "the belief that life is random, and that chance and luck rule the world"

Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability

Chaos implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility

meanwhile good vs evil is the classic altruism vs oppression

[dark stream]

to me:

• chaotic = doing something because "you" want to, not based on good or evil
• lawful = you follow a set of rules often imposed or placed by someone or something else
• good = you do things for the sake of goodness, not because it benefits anything
• evil = you do things for the sake of evil, not because it benefits anything

to me, adding chaotic to an alignment basically makes that alignment "fanatic"
unless it's chaotic neutral- then you just like mischief

I'm not sure how to describe neutral

[plush thicket]

I would personally disagree just because you can be fanatical to a structure that has rules

like a religious fanatic who believe above all else in the rules of the religion they follow

[dark stream]

yee I would consider them chaotic good or evil, based on which religion

[plush thicket]

but believing in the rules of a religion would make them lawful

[dark stream]

but there's also the trouble, because then where does "lawful" come in, because that fits too

yee

chaotic lawful

[plush thicket]

it's almsot like we're assining binary traits to a complex and metaphysical system XD

[dark stream]

[hollow plume]

Lawful good - I won't kill you cuz it's not right

Lawful neutral - I won't kill you because that's murder and I can go to prison for it

Lawful evil - I won't kill you but your family's fair game

Chaotic Good - I won't kill you but I need you alive so imma break your kneecaps

Chaotic Neutral - I won't kill you but I might if my life depends on it

Chaotic Evil - pulls the trigger

[dark stream]

what about neutral good/evil?

[hollow plume]

Neutral Good - I would kill you if it saved the lives of others

True Neutral - it depends

Neutral Evil - Gimme a good enough reason and I'll kill you

[potent crypt]

what about i'll kill u if i'm in the mood for it

[dark stream]

neutral evil = if it advances my agenda I might kill you

[hollow plume]

Chaotic evil

They would also say they wouldn't kill you and then shoot you in the back of the head the moment your back was turned

[dark stream]

chaotic evil is the "I'll be cruel for the sake of cruelty" regardless of need or reason

I like neutral evil the best out of the "evils"
because it's based on personality

[hollow plume]

Aka the murderhobo

[plush thicket]

murder hobo is chaotic stupid

[dark stream]

to be fair, I think "murder hobo" would even be offensive to actual psychopathic murderers
because even they typically have some kind of reason, even if twisted and sick

[plush thicket]

exactly

that's why I call it chaotic stupid

[plush thicket]

ok one thing you'll love about GRIME
your ability to heal is based on your ability to (essentially) parry enemies

[craggy pelican]

That entirely depends on how good the parry feels tbf

I quit blasphemous entirely because parrying felt like shit and some enemies felt unbeatable without parrying

[plush thicket]

it's pretty good imo

it's relativly generous with the parry window

definitly more DS parry then say sekiro

but you definitly don't have to parry

[craggy pelican]

[plush thicket]

if I miss a parry then it's because I did it too early

you can't really be too late because you stagger a little if you get hit

[plush thicket]

Morty has won from all the polling

so fuck it we ball

[burnt storm]

I was trying to think of someone who was lawful and chaotic at the same time. Dr. Who?

[outer field]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-dr-who-christopher-eccleston-ninth-doctor-dance-gif-12405505

nah, he's chaotic good.

https://tenor.com/view/gifgod-remasteredgifs-jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-tip-hat-gif-15837780565091868534

this guy though, chaotic and lawful is who I think of.

[hollow plume]

He's chaotic neutral

He has a moral compass which inherently changes based on the situation at hand

[outer field]

can't argue there

https://tenor.com/view/batman-the-animated-series-ras-al-ghul-betrayed-betrayal-gif-17880435

what about this guy then

Ra's al Ghul

[plush thicket]

now this is a good idea

[potent crypt]

[hollow plume]

Chill touch but I just slap you with mercury

[pearl storm]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[craggy pelican]

In the same vein , sodium and potassium coated weapons , the second they contact blood or any form of moisture, they explode and continue to burn

[plush thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[hollow plume]

searing smite but it's just white phosphorus

[hollow plume]

Warforged Cleric of the Forge, but a Guilding bolt is just a rad-carbine

[plush thicket]

oh speaking of actually

in my other campaign, my character has built a rifle with an underbarrel shotgun attachment

[craggy pelican]

for slightly more advanced metalllugy i could interest you in radium glass weapons , imagine the obsidian clubs that the aztec used but the glass is actually radium-silicone and once broken into the person , it irradiates the shit out of them so even if they retreat , they still die , your own armor would need to be leaded tho so it doesnt slowly kill you

[burnt storm]

Concerning radiation and D&D, the healing that you usually recieve in game should be enough to counteract lower dosages.

[craggy pelican]

That is assuming healing just brings back perfect cells , if it just forces your current cells to multiply healing might actually make radiation damage worse also would come with the side effect of constant healing causing cancer

[hollow plume]

@plush thicket would a lead pipe be considered a club weapon

Asking for a barbarian OC

[plush thicket]

I'd have said so

[hollow plume]

Excellent

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-pretty-please-i-dont-wanna-be-a-magical-girl-mahounono-aika-gif-7414490001824290454

[plush thicket]

maybe a great club if it's a big one

[burnt storm]

I had assumed healing would cause perfect repair, otherwise the way people heal from injuries in D&D parties wouldn't make sense.
This is similar to how Jim Butcher has magic work in the Dresden files: magic is something that exists down to the cellular level, not just a mental thing. Hence wizards outlive normal people and getting someone's blood is Very Bad in that universe (lets people mess with your magic and track you easily).
If healing was not perfect repair, I'd expect the caloric consumption of parties to be crazy high, since mundane cellular division would require a lot of food to repair injuries.
Still, depending on the campaign setting that might absolutely be the case.

Grimhollow for instance...

[craggy pelican]

I mean the mass would always come from the magic resource, the question is the mechanism , if it is perfect repair and you repaired magically a limb of a 60 yo man who lost that limb when he was 5 , does he just get a 5 yo limb Deadpool style?

[plush thicket]

no, he'd have a 60yr old arm

[burnt storm]

I think in the case of complete replacement it would depend on residual self-image, matrix style.

That would also make it harder to restore a limb a while after it had been lost, which ... feels correct?

I.E. the magic is replacing whatever your mind/soul/brain thinks is supposed to go there.

[craggy pelican]

Maybe both versions exist , you can get the perfect healing if you get yourself fixed quickly but if you wait you have to get the regrowth treatment which can give you a tentacle instead because your back alley cleric fucked up guiding your cell division

[hollow plume]

<@&1415565266556813373> can I get a show of hands for this Saturday

[craggy pelican]

in

[hollow plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsIJ7OLRtyQ

[plush thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-ver-strong-maybe-bohdi-tulsa-king-s1e9-its-very-likely-gif-27419032

[craggy pelican]

sorc , no question

[crisp jackal]

After watching this, it wasnt somehow sorc

Also paladin surprisingly high

[craggy pelican]

nah he kinda cheated to make wizard win

[crisp jackal]

I mean maybe

But seems fair enough

[craggy pelican]

sorc would have easily won if he stuck with a consistent ruleset

[hollow plume]

Drake his ruleset was the Geneva Convention

Wizard by virtue of access to the highest amount of spells, naturally has a higher chance of war crimes

[timid siren]

They also have access to wish naturally unlike other classes

[hollow plume]

Can you gimme an update by Friday? It's cuz the uhhh dracolich fight will either result in y'all surviving or Hammerhal gets destroyed

[craggy pelican]

the robots better show up to help or i am telling the lich where they live

[plush thicket]

oh I was joking, I'll be there

[hollow plume]

Oh lovely

<@&1415565266556813373> Saturday is a go. The entirety of the session is the dracolich fight so it will go really quickly or really slowly. do lmk if there are delays/latecomers

[plush thicket]

if you somehow kill Yaromir then I will bring out the bard

[hollow plume]

That's not on me

And the dracolich didn't come alone

[plush thicket]

oh no, if I'm playing a bard, that will be on you

[hollow plume]

That reminds me, combat is going to be structural:

1. PCs and currently engaged NPCs go
2. Allies go
3. Enemies go
4. Environmental damage

Due to the amount of ......stuff on screen

[craggy pelican]

so initative doesnt matter

[plush thicket]

so not initiative?

or do we roll to determine our order, then everything goes after that

[hollow plume]

Initiative will determine order

But to clarify on the 1st part this means that anyone you guys fight is considered its own combat and other NPCS can get involved/leave to fight others

If that makes sense

[plush thicket]

so there's "stuff" going on outside of our immidient combat
we roll for initiative in combat as normal
but stuff outside the combat happens in that order

[hollow plume]

[plush thicket]

kewl

I picking up what you're putting down

[hollow plume]

Simplifies my job on owlbear and the initiative tracker

[plush thicket]

yes, 100% XD

just imagine you were still doing it on krita tho

[hollow plume]

That would be a nightmare because I did it once and had to use Warhammer Old World rules for movement and combat

Every infantry block had a fixed movement speed and their leaders could cast buffs that affected their whole unit for simplicity

Also I just.....rolled D6's for "how many die in melee"

[plush thicket]

dang

is it bad that I wanna play warhammer old world

[hollow plume]

But that WAS where I got the idea for rolling d10s for misfires and stray shots

[plush thicket]

I love the artillery mechanics in old world

I'll do my dwarf army

||in 10 years||

[craggy pelican]

sets an alarm for 2036

[plush thicket]

I'm actually noticing as I go back and watch bat reps for the different games

I get very bored by the 40k ones
but I really enjoy the old world ones