Ochokochi does not need a NERF

[brittle rapids]

Luck

I spent a grand total of 3 tokens for 5k Paladin

Luckily I already had 5k from previous event gold coin

[mystic bison]

For real 💀

Doritos

[hoary pollen]

Damn

[bitter hare]

past win section

[wicked gale]

Nah, it's good, I just cannot let them know that.

Why would I tell anyone how to dominate the game with it? So others will cry because of their skill issue for pixonic to make even less usable after.

As far as it goes, it relatively balanced, counterable, not overpowered but decent at doing what it should.

[wicked gale]

In other to combat Ochokochi run more lockdown, Emp, rust, sonic. Not enough players are using these .

Even of you cannot kill them just stopping their movement is a big help, even choke works against it.

[brittle rapids]

Newton is even more broken than Ochokochi

[mystic bison]

Newton is only broken because of the weapons

Newton ignoring tonans and fulgurs is nowhere near a top tier titan

[wicked gale]

Just like Rook before it. Ochokochi is the new fastest fully mobile, adept self healing, best DPS with just the biw alone and all around tank in game. Scratch that, best all around bot in the game, no need for roles and skill.

My back literally turned, half asleep and taking a leak my Ochokochi not even facing the bot on the other side of the wall but I press the ability so I kill 2 players on the other side of the wall.

I don't even need to aim.

[mystic bison]

Balanced

[wicked gale]

I seeing full ultimate and mk3 hangars in champions getting totalled by Ochokochi. 1 Ochokochi completely obliterate 4 of my teammates titans in our spawn

[mystic bison]

This op who claims that pixonic knows what it's doing with the power of new weapons

Either hasn't played for over a few months or is just bootlicking to the next level

I have an ocho

And I agree that it should be nerfed

[wicked gale]

I seeing 1 Ochokochi ending games in less that 30 seconds with full 5 cap beacons and.

[mystic bison]

It is in no way completely balanced

If I get a good mothership chain then I stay in my ocho for the entire game

[wicked gale]

Out of all leagues champions players are the fastest to quit a match and drop from game.

[mystic bison]

Fr

[wicked gale]

I in match where half my team just leave after seeing one Ochokochi coming.

Even I in ocho just walk into enemy spawn, without ability because they left game.

The game is a bully system.

[hoary topaz]

Wait, this thread is still alive? How come

[ember pecan]

You?

[hoary topaz]

you?

[ember pecan]

Us?

[hoary topaz]

lol

[clever canopy]

they do know

[clever canopy]

bruh you need skill to counter the ochokochi

[swift widget]

Walking into the enemy spawn unscarred should not be possible even with the best skill available. The point is not about needing skill to counter the Ocho, but how little skill Ocho itself requires to cause the massive havoc it is incriminated for. It wouldn't be the first time Pixo released an OP set of robot+weps+drone+pilot, but Ochokochi pushed this archetype even further than its previous boundaries

[wanton fable]

Spending so much money to get an OP bot and wanting no nerfs for it
Wow

https://tenor.com/view/wisers-slow-clap-applause-clap-gif-15837938

[mystic bison]

I literally spent fourty dollars for my ochokochi

And I still want it nerfed

If that doesn't say anything about its power then I really don't know what else to say

[wanton fable]

Because you know that the overpoweredness of that thing ruins the game badly

[mystic bison]

Yessir

It's unbalanced

[obtuse bough]

Bro wherever made this post is a pay to win that never touched grass before

Get a life bro

Personally I think Ochokochi need nerf more than any other robot in game. The skill is the most disgusting things I've ever seen in other robot, worse than mars

Its just leaving no space for free to play and for the other robot from last update to survive. 👎👎👎

[swift widget]

If it wasn't a game, it would be indeed frustrating to buy a car and get your product nerfed aftermarket... But it's a game where they clearly stated that everything is subject to change at any given moment, and that players basically have not a word on it... What do people expect at this point ? Pixonic has been doing this cycle for years, and still people fall for it

[mystic bison]

Champ league is literally ocho stomping ground

Maybe some ophions and dagons

But thats it

[wanton fable]

It's overpowered sure but it's mad boring doing the same thing over and over again

[zealous obsidian]

Don't emoji spam

[next oar]

"Not overpowered " like it's completely normal that a single one wipes out 6 titans, 14 bots and Is left with half Life (350 k hp) in the aftermath. Completely normal and super well balanced 👍

[light hedge]

Are you saying that Ocho killed off Ophion? It's one of the few solidified counters to Ocho

[light hedge]

Tbf I feel like that's more of a DE+Kestrel issue. Of course the high health pool doesn't help, but that's not really a fundamental problem with Ocho, per se. Just a problem with any high HP bot

[light hedge]

Mars has never been a problem. Was always too squishy to be useful, and only got more squishy with the recent nerf

[next oar]

No, rust weapons on ocho are op, and the health makes him immortal

[light hedge]

Health is moreso the DE+Kestrel thing, as I said.
And the rusts make anything OP, so I feel that's an invalid argument in regards to Ocho

[next oar]

Can be but still, i wouldn't never seen such thing with a thypon or some other non meta robot

[light hedge]

That's because Typhon's squishy. DE+Kestrel Fenrir's been a thing for a while, and the only reliable answer was Blastcharge weapons. The only reason it works better with Ocho is due to a higher natural health pool, and its damage conversion.

[mystic bison]

Nah

Not really

1. Fenrir relies on defense points, and reapers and titan weapons shred through that

Which means that it has nowhere near the amount of anti titan potential as the ochokochi

2. The damage conversion is an insane buff to the ocho

Basically ignoring 60% of damage, no grey damage, while gaining defence points (pilot) which is fenrir's whole thing

3. Mobility, fenrir is a sitting duck in some situations due to how slow it is in the defense mode

Ochokochi doesn't have even close to the same problem, with its stampede allowing it to cross five hundred meters in a few seconds

[light hedge]

I wasn't referring to mobility at all, just defensive properties, in regards to DE+Kestrel being the primary reason it has the longevity it does

[mystic bison]

Mobility contributes heavily to longevity

A robot with higher mobility and equal everything else will obviously survive longer

Imagine a luchador that could go as fast as an ochokochi

That would instantly make it the strongest titan in the game by far

[light hedge]

Obviously. As it can close distance faster than other bots, it can reach cover or its enemies faster, resulting in less damage taken

[mystic bison]

Yes, which contributes to its longevity, does it not?

[light hedge]

Read the first word, please

[mystic bison]

Of what, if you mean primary then yes, DE + Kestrel is a big factor but not the primary factor

Personally I would say that the ochokochi's damage conversion and speed is its primary factor

Kestrel and De are nice bonuses you get becaues the goat rips through your enemies and you can charge mothership fast

[light hedge]

No, I was saying "obviously" as in I agree

[mystic bison]

Oh, my bad then

[light hedge]

All good

Tbh I feel like the pilot causes most of the problems with Ocho

[mystic bison]

Yeah I tested no pilot ocho

A lot more squishier

[light hedge]

Gaining hundreds of DP if being shot by multiple people can make Ocho near-invincible, has to be 1v1 to stand a chance

[mystic bison]

Vephko makes it an unkillable stomping machine

[light hedge]

That's what I'm saying, Vephko is the real problem lol

It's not Ocho itself that's problematic

[sharp trail]

Me simply having the time of my life seeing all the people taking this post seriously

[light hedge]

I realized long ago that it was satire, I'm just surprised how many people think Ocho needs to be nerfed into the dirt

Like I get that Ocho rips through your teams, but notice that every single one is running Vephko and Deft Survivor. The ones that aren't get eaten alive

[mystic bison]

Vephko 100% needs a nerf, if you manage to get three bots shooting at you in ability you become immortal

[sharp trail]

This is usually either due to enemy ochos or rust weapons. This dude not justify ocho at all

[sharp trail]

Try one singular seraph

You can get 300-400 DOT stacks from one seraph

[light hedge]

Not sure how one would nerf a pilot that only gives 1DP per DoT effect though

[mystic bison]

Oh yes especially that lol

[mystic bison]

Perhaps change it to DP per damage? Or 1 DP per 10 DoT

[light hedge]

Even prior to rusts, Ocho wasn't impossible to down

[light hedge]

Perhaps this could work, although it seems a bit extreme

[sharp trail]

Without having an enemy ocho it kinda was (obviously some basic skills required)

I for one never lost my kestrel ocho when against a non-ocho team

[mystic bison]

Because 1 DoT is extremely hard to balance, as some robots send hundreds of DoT at you (Seraph) while others don't

[light hedge]

Rarely happens with my own as well, Kestrel provides a lot of sustain

[light hedge]

imo that's why I justify Vephko. Certain weapons won't do too much for DP, whereas others (Seraph, like you said, or things like Prisma) just feed it basically a Last Stand

[sharp trail]

Nowdays, all you need is one enemy rust user and decent support fire and it's gone in ability

Fight my hybrid ochos and find out

[light hedge]

Rusts are a game ender for most bots, which is insane

[light hedge]

I'll take your word for it, I prefer not to be blown out of the water

[sharp trail]

😆👍

Smart decision

[wanton fable]

I've seen some ridiculous things but saying that the Ochokochi doesn't need a nerf is just beyond ridiculous

I get it you probably spent a lot of money trying to get it and level it up to max

But when you run through the game with a robot that can slaughter basically anything it's just not fun for the enemy team

[sharp trail]

Yet another person taking this post seriously

[wanton fable]

Yeah sorry I kinda took it a bit too far I just really hate the Ocho

[sharp trail]

This post is plain satire. No one on their right mind believes that ocho is balanced (I'm saying this as someone who has 5 ochos... Only use 2 tho)

[light hedge]

Fr

[wanton fable]

Out of all Ocho users you are one of many I respect

[sharp trail]

I'm honored 😊

[brittle rapids]

For real

I got shredded in 1s by a DoT Ophion after my ability ended

From 400+k to 0 in like 1s

[sharp trail]

Skill Issue, just hit the heal module button

[brittle rapids]

Bro

I was healing

Conduit is worthless rn

[sharp trail]

That wasn't a dot ophion then

[brittle rapids]

Phase is probably better

[sharp trail]

Dot is easily healable

[brittle rapids]

No the new DoT pretty much ignores healing

[sharp trail]

And deceivers max dot stack is a joke

[brittle rapids]

The amount of stacks that accumulate instantly

[sharp trail]

Oopsey, you confused rust and dot

[brittle rapids]

My whole hp bar turned green in ability then I was ended instantly

But yes those weapons are a serious issue

[sharp trail]

Mhhm, rust do make you not heal

[brittle rapids]

Not sure tho

[sharp trail]

And you gave a low level ocho son

[brittle rapids]

Uhm

Mk2 lvl 9 is low?

[sharp trail]

Mine spawn at 710k/750k yours?

[brittle rapids]

E

Mine spawns at like 390k

I don’t have $600 for pilot

[sharp trail]

Pilot low level?

[brittle rapids]

Nah it has 2 T4 skills

And a T3 Master Gunsmith

But it’s Eddie Noll cause I don’t have Vephko

[sharp trail]

Aha, there are some really good memorium offers lately but I wouldn't invest into ocho anymore

[brittle rapids]

Yea

[sharp trail]

Haha that explains it

[brittle rapids]

It’s already amazing I made that pilot spending around 2k being a free to play

[sharp trail]

How did you get the ocho f2p? Sus 😳

[brittle rapids]

Luck ig

First day of event

The free purple silver pad

[sharp trail]

Bruh.

Gimme your luck

[brittle rapids]

Pls no

I have 50 data pad opening video coming up

I need that luck

[sharp trail]

Silver-blue?

[brittle rapids]

Ye

[sharp trail]

I'll buy you 50 red pads if you give me your luck

[brittle rapids]

But then I would get trash on the 50 pads

[sharp trail]

Me who spent 10 Doritos today in ultimate luck and got 6k mute components

[brittle rapids]

Also I’m pretty sure Splinters gonna take big L soon

[sharp trail]

Trash red rewards are better than the best blue rewards facts

[brittle rapids]

There’s no way they’re gonna be left alone when Splinter Dagon can 1v2 Ochokochis

[brittle rapids]

But nerf coming

[sharp trail]

No splinter dagon can 1v2 an ocho lmao

[brittle rapids]

Uhhhhh

[sharp trail]

I eat then alive

[brittle rapids]

2 tapped by a Splinter Dagon

[sharp trail]

Them*

[sharp trail]

Nope sorry son

[brittle rapids]

After my Ocho teammate full Splinter Ocho also got 2 tapped

[sharp trail]

Skill Issue, learn to use ability correctly

[brittle rapids]

????

We charged him both of us at 200m

And then after the first Ocho charge ended it died instantly

Then I got half my hp turned into DoT

Then I died

[sharp trail]

Again, skill issue. Please, a bit of respect.

[brittle rapids]

Okie

[sharp trail]

I'm telling you, I've eaten every splinter dagon I've come across

Ochokochi>Dagon

[brittle rapids]

Fr

[sharp trail]

And I run both ocho and dagon

[brittle rapids]

Dagon even in low Champions has Absorber in ability

I have like 503something

[sharp trail]

Please excuse the low levels of some weaps, haven't managed to max all the new stuff yet

[brittle rapids]

Bru

WhT

[sharp trail]

Trust me, I know my stuff

[brittle rapids]

How much did u even spend

[sharp trail]

This event? Not too much tbh, I got dagon from operation pass

[brittle rapids]

Okie

[sharp trail]

Only bought about 50 red pads that's all

And some resources obviously

The ochos were damn expensive last event tho

[brittle rapids]

Wow

Like how much for an Ocho

[sharp trail]

From 0-100? Including everything? Prolly about $120-150 each

[brittle rapids]

Bro

[oblique pivot]

Aint no way yall actually spent this much

I spent only 10 for the cards and got the ochokochi

Even the weapon set for it lmao

[mystic bison]

My luck is horrible

[oblique pivot]

Its funnh

I tried to spend alot to get a slug shotgun set for my leo

And somehow ended up with a full ochokochi set

[mystic bison]

Sob

[oblique pivot]

And i dont even use the ochokochi

[sharp trail]

first off, this was probably this season. last season it was a hella lot more rare. secondly getting the robot is one thing, then there's leveling it with modules, drone, pilot skills not to mention robot and weapon levels, all including dorito chips....

[mystic chasm]

Reading this post is so fun

It’s just a 20v1

[sharp trail]

reading you taking this post seriously is even more fun

[oblique pivot]

I got it from the end of the last season when the cards were cheap

[sharp trail]

same difference

what you don't get is that its a minimum of $40 to max a drone, $20 to max a pilot, $30 to max weapons and robot, and another $10 if you don't have maxed amps

so thats $100 without taking into account the pads

this is, of course for someone that has maxed out desls tho

[mystic chasm]

Ngl the guy who made the post sounds very serious

[sharp trail]

I hope that's sarcasm

[wanton fable]

i hope this whole thing is a troll

[oblique pivot]

Seeing his other posts

I sure do hope so

[brittle rapids]

I have a Ocho

And without skill / pilot + OP drone it dies pretty much instantly

I’ve scored enemy Ocho kills with my own less than 30 times in like the whole event + previous one

[soft plank]

Fun fact
Ocho actually sucks if the player doesn't play it very well
Which makes it a easier threat
Any players with good amount of skills who knows how to play the bot can understand and to make it op in front of everyone
Same for dagon too

[oblique pivot]

well this can be applied to most robots doesnt it

[light hedge]

Generally speaking, yes. I think the bigger problem here is that Ochokochi has a very low skill floor to be playable, resulting in even inexperienced or bad players being able to dominate with it

[obtuse bough]

Dude are you blind and can you please go to guess the sound giveaway and fix these emoji spam instead of targeting me right here

Do I have to take a picture and show you ?

[zealous obsidian]

Then don't break rules. it's simple to do

[obtuse bough]

Ok then go fix other too

[light hedge]

That's not Hydra's job. Quit harassing people because the things you want aren't done

[obtuse bough]

I was reminding him to warn people if he really likes to warning someone 😒

[light hedge]

Or just quit junior staffing

Not your job, not Hydra's. Leave it at that.

[obtuse bough]

Ok

[hoary topaz]

0$

Someone beat me

[oblique pivot]

Giveaway im assuming

[hoary topaz]

I just opened the storage and it was there. Mistake, or I didn't see me winning

Not the storage

But I don't remember the name

[light hedge]

Inventory

Couple people had that happen, probably messed up IDs during a giveaway or smth

[hoary topaz]

Yeah

[candid lake]

Uh wat

[hoary topaz]

Wat

[hoary topaz]

?

[candid lake]

Nvm

[hoary topaz]

Ok

[candid lake]

Huh when mute

[sharp trail]

Don't spam emojis if you don't wanna be next you [Ѐ♤Ð] noob

😂🤣

[candid lake]

Lol

Wats wrong with 4 emojis

[sharp trail]

https://discord.com/channels/692379063716937790/743409654125690930

[candid lake]

Oh ye

Only 2

[ember pecan]

What if.. you named yourself emoji?

Now you have emoji on your name

Will they kick you?

[dense badger]

i think the server rules vaguely implies that more than 2 emojis are spam

[candid lake]

Ye

[candid lake]

Idk depends on them

[ember pecan]

I wanna try but

[cold hatch]

2k messages and counting

[hoary topaz]

I'm somehow alive

[candid lake]

Huh, how did you survive 7 day mute in 1 day

[hoary topaz]

Idk

Let's just forget

[candid lake]

Lol

:Pog:

Huh

[hoary topaz]

No

Don't do it

[candid lake]

Oh no

[hoary topaz]

Lol

[faint pawn]

ngl ochokochi needs a buff

[ember pecan]

Yeah they need to buff it's cost by 1000%

[light hedge]

Hey, it's already down to luck

[brittle rapids]

They need to buff by giving 100dp outside ability

[hoary topaz]

I was here 1 minute ago

[brittle rapids]

Ngl Isabella Porter is basically worst pilot ever

It makes Leech barely able to tank

[hoary topaz]

Nah, if Ocho needs a buff, then it's only a speed buff (and nerf all other stats)

[brittle rapids]

Nah

Then might as well use Nether

[hoary topaz]

What about the pilot that increases the hp of fenrirs shield ?

[brittle rapids]

It at least does something

I did the math

And Isabella doesn’t increase the damage redirected

But reduces the damage Leech can take

[hoary topaz]

I know, yeah

[brittle rapids]

This at least recharges Aegis faster

Also why not make Ocho have only like 225k base hp but give it 100 dp

That would be a really huge nerf but barely noticeable until Reapers show up

Oh wait no

Because

The very slogan of Ochokochi is

[hoary topaz]

Lol

Yeah

[brittle rapids]

‘You’ll fire your Reapers, but I’ll run you through’

Ochokochi is ready for deployment in 9.4

[ember pecan]

"I'm just a medic but watch me heal an entire infantry."
Mender at the ready, support systems online

[swift widget]

I'm pretty sure Isabella does increase the redirected damage And it does so by quite an amount, basically going from 35% redirected to 65%... Yes you tank twice as less (90% -> 80%), but you double the amount of damage the enemy is taking. It just makes your Leech ability "two times faster", meaning that you take damage twice as fast and the enemy takes twice the damage

[brittle rapids]

Yea but issue is that a lot of weapons can shred 1.5m hp really fast

[light hedge]

Then it wasn't a problem to begin with, was it?

[brittle rapids]

Isabella kinda sucks because Leech additional redirection is pointless if you die really fast

[primal field]

Ochokochi is annoying I was in a ffa match and me and 2 enemies had to stop fighting and whipe of the dude who had it and then resume our battle later on because of how fast it kept killing us at just mk2 now what horrors would await with a mk3 I think it should be nerfed

[swift widget]

I already killed an Erebus with a standard Leech by sheer Leeching ability (because another Prisma camper was targeting me). Yes you will kill the Leech, but you will bring to your grave anything that you Leeched on

[brittle rapids]

Yea

So do I buy Isabella?

[swift widget]

The point of Isabella is not survival, it's sheer damage output. When you realise you take 65% of your own damage back, that's kinda scary ngl

[light hedge]

Also forces you to play weird. Either you let Leech hit you unchecked, or you fight back but take most of the damage in return

[brittle rapids]

Hmm alright

[swift widget]

Take at your own risk, I am not into recommending pilots because they come down to personal preference

[brittle rapids]

So do I buy or no because it’s expensive

And I don’t have 30k gold to burn on pointless stuff

[light hedge]

I'd say it's worth it if you're dying quickly anyway (which you seem to be implying)

[brittle rapids]

Alright

[swift widget]

I would say : if you are satisfied with your Leech's defensive profile and absolutely don't want to risk it, wait for Mindread or any other suitable pilot with your setup. But if you wanna spice up your game because you're dying anyways like Keoshi said, the damage bonus should at least get you to take your killer with you

[brittle rapids]

I bought it

I probably will be able to take care of Mars lol

Mars would be great help

[swift widget]

Oh yeah, my standard Leech was a threat to Mars on that point. Now you have a Reflector-grade damage redirection

[brittle rapids]

Yup

Also what module should I use

Phaseshift?

[swift widget]

That or healing I guess

[brittle rapids]

Oki

If I roll Mechanic for second skill I’ll use phase

[swift widget]

Unlike an Ares that capitalises on a shield, Leech takes on its own hitpoints

[brittle rapids]

Ares is bad nowadays

Even bsgs shred at 300m

[swift widget]

It's in the pantheon of OGs

[brittle rapids]

Yup

[swift widget]

With Isabella you might want healing more than Phaseshift, since you take much more damage than with a regular Leech Maybe that's something you will have to try in-game, test both

[brittle rapids]

One last thing though

Should I get a LS for Leech

[light hedge]

Last Stand could be good on Leech. Depends on what your other modules are.

I'd honestly say Leech could benefit from at least an RA and NA

[swift widget]

I'm for an LS too given it's a glass cannon outside of ability

Prone to be one-shot

Man I still remember that gigachad of an Invader I met in a game, it had 3 maxed LS You sneze on it, they trigger On an Invader it's even funnier

[light hedge]

Hm, I wonder

Does LS stack with max Shai?

Or are they separate?

[swift widget]

Have no idea

[brittle rapids]

Doesn’t matter though

Also I think I need 2 more Shai drones

Lvl 4 Shai or Beak / Kestrel for Angler

[ember pecan]

Beak or shai

Go for beak
Being shai won't help... Get it?
If not then.

So, the humor in my statement lies in a play on words involving the name "Shai" from war robots, which sounds like the word "shy." By stating, "Being Shai won't help," i cleverly connected the name of the drone to the concept of shyness.

[swift widget]

[brittle rapids]

Lmao

[mystic chasm]

OHHHHHHHHHH

Smart

[foggy plover]

The amount of brain cells I have after reading this is still higher than the poster's

[hoary topaz]

Hhahahha

Wait

You've read all 2k+ messages?

[foggy plover]

no, the thing that the poster said

[hoary topaz]

Oh

[ember pecan]

Holy cow.. 2k?

[hoary topaz]

Eventually

[light hedge]

2,123 messages at the moment (2,124 if you count mine)

[mystic chasm]

2,125 actually

[light hedge]

2126

[ember pecan]

2127

[mystic chasm]

This channel bouta become one of those counting channels

[jovial laurel]

Your based and prob just run a full coho hanger

[celest mantle]

2130

[ember pecan]

Dude it's still 2023

Oh wait, I'm dumb

[light hedge]

2126 again

[ember pecan]

2128

[light hedge]

No, now it's 2128

[hoary topaz]

So fast

2130

[zealous obsidian]

Hey @mint venture could this thread be locked? All it is, just spamming now

[hoary topaz]

Agree

[mint venture]

gotcha