Ochokochi does not need a NERF

[hoary pollen]

Outrageous

[signal ibex]

Ong😭

[rotund sapphire]

All that to be in a low league

[hoary pollen]

Crazy

[signal ibex]

Hard to play?

[hoary pollen]

💀

[rotund sapphire]

"insanely hard to play" bruh💀

[swift widget]

The skill to run into an entire team. It asks for massive balls you know

[hoary pollen]

💀

[signal ibex]

U can run around with it for the whole game without a care in the world no way he says it’s hard to play

Dawgs off a perc

[sly basalt]

not when youre in an ochokochi

[swift widget]

I also love how all robots now need to run 50 or 60 km/h Hell I still have a Bulwark capped at 40 or so, but it doesn't feel outrageously slow somehow

[hoary pollen]

Haunts my dreams

[sly basalt]

100kmh crisis

[hoary pollen]

I remember picking up my stalker and going “holy this is fast” good days

[sly basalt]

(kestrel)

[signal ibex]

Like i mean unless i fight multiple or a rust ocho it literally takes 0 skill

[hoary pollen]

I literally couldnt tell apart hackers from kestrel users when It was released

[swift widget]

When you realise your fastest robot in your hangar is a vanilla Ares without speed skills at 60 km/h

[hoary pollen]

Hopefully ocho will get the angler service

Nerf the durability by a ton, nerf the speed, nerf stampede damage, and that should do it

The angler treatment

[swift widget]

You still see people running rust rockets ? 👀 I thought those to be dead

[signal ibex]

No not rust rockets

[hoary pollen]

Daguns

[signal ibex]

The new rust weapons

[swift widget]

Oooooh the new weapons I guess

[hoary pollen]

Dagon guns

[signal ibex]

Literally two clips ochos

[swift widget]

Ooooof

[hoary pollen]

Lowkey regret going into champ league with f2p hangar im struggling here

[signal ibex]

[hoary pollen]

Good part is I get to say I got into champs with f2p thats about it lol

[swift widget]

Oh do you see some Hurricanes recently ? Those guns have gone under the radars since their release, nobody talking about them...

[hoary pollen]

Theyre like

Really annoying

But not that powerful or gamebreaking

But theyre like

REALLY annoying

[swift widget]

I have to admit I like their technical proof of concept, of a multi-purpose launcher... But I would love the principles applied to Zenit and Noricum... Imagine Noricum as a rocket shotgun

[hoary pollen]

Imagine like

A shrapnel gun

Like moment it contacts your robot it explodes into shards

Im giving them ideas im gonna stop here

[swift widget]

OG rocket launchers do that actually the rockets explode when the target is in the explosion radius

But your shrapnel would certainly have a much larger blast radius, and kinetic

[hoary pollen]

Yeah I meant like ACTUAL projectiles flying off

Or like

Yeah

Every suggestion I make I fear pixonic is gonna add a gamebreaking twist to it

[swift widget]

Yeah, and now we can't even suggest buffs in fear that they don't actually buff the item and instead create an Ultimate version

I absolutely hate the Ultimates in that regard

Example : If people want Ao Jun back to its former glory, why to revert all its nerfs ? Simply create an Ultimate AJ back to its peak

Force people to buy again an Ao Jun despite them having one already

[hoary pollen]

Yeah i don’t care about another ao jun, I want MY ao jun to be useable.

God, even if prime ao jun was added to the game right now, it wouldn’t perform any better than an imugi

[hoary pollen]

I feel the same way.

[swift widget]

And we have to remember Imugi was broken on release

Now it's yet another niche robot only 0.0001% of players even know how to exploit

[hoary pollen]

Yeah ao jun is basically imugi with a flamethrower and no other damage buffs

Back in its prime too

[swift widget]

Well Imugi trades a BiW for a global damage buff...

Ao Jun melted Arthurs in one ability back in the days... The good old days

This was literally the OG Seraph or Ophion

[hoary pollen]

Fr

[swift widget]

I'm sure one could have fun with an OG Flamethrower Ao Jun

And with Rafael Petit because AoE is fun

[hoary pollen]

I tried but god its so hard to aim with all these ochos running around

Flamethrowers get countered by fast botd

[swift widget]

They come from a time when 50 km/h was already insanely fast... So yeah that's understandable

[soft plank]

Skill Issue

I don't understand how ocho is so fast
It literally the same speed as a ghost typhon

[tall pendant]

It’s funny how people say “skill issue” when someone loses or says they lose, but yet it should be “wallet issue” when you lose because skill isn’t really a concept in this game due to the P2W crap going on

[soft plank]

You realize p2w isn't giving anybody any wins

[tall pendant]

It is

[soft plank]

F2p is free to play
The games already free to play there's no need to pay just to play the game
Game isn't costing money to download the game
While p2w
Isn't paying to win
Your still losing either way u can lose sometimes

[tall pendant]

When people pay for a MK 2 techno scorpion with the MK 2 scatters and havocs, they win pretty much

[soft plank]

This game heavily requires skills now

[tall pendant]

It does not

[soft plank]

They can easily die to Incinerator hawk

[soft plank]

Oh really?

[tall pendant]

I won’t argue with you now

The game had skill, now it’s gone

[soft plank]

Because u decided to not give proof it not a skill game?

[tall pendant]

Well for me, I am a “skilled” player, maybe you are too. But I’m talking about the basic gameplay now

[tall pendant]

Not everyone has that

[soft plank]

To be fair
Paying players still gotta face against paying players too

Which can lead to whoever wins ig

[tall pendant]

Yeah, and F2P are kicked and bullied by both

[soft plank]

Pk Senko is f2p and manage to get in champs and bullies p2w

Some f2p can improve their skills and bully p2ws

Which still proves skills matter in this game still

[tall pendant]

Well that’s that person. And yes I do 2 clip scorpions myself too

[soft plank]

Ah

[tall pendant]

So theoretically, sometimes I bully P2Ws too

[soft plank]

See

Ur doin great

[tall pendant]

But only scorpions. The p2w kicker would be this beast

[neon merlin]

apparently your ochokochi sucks

Or your skill

Or maybe both

🤷‍♂️who know

[hoary pollen]

The flamethrowers are literally meant to be one of the most skill based weapon in the game so im not gonna say no to that

[ember pecan]

I must agree with him
If you have the skill, you would have been able to calculate next where ocho will go and fire there.
If not, then there's a bit of an issue

[hoary pollen]

Yeah Not just Ochos tho, generally fast moving robots are annoying to play against when you have flamethrowers.

Its not like I can’t hit them at all, I perform pretty decently with the flamethrowers, its just a bit of a nuisance and added thing to keep on your mind when playing the game

[ember pecan]

I'm still hitting them with my flame Mendy tho 👀

[hoary pollen]

Yeah so am I

I use flame ravana

[ember pecan]

So, it's a skill issue...

ocho I could hit because they target me lmao

[hoary pollen]

Its a skill issue if you can’t hit people with it, I can, but Im saying compared to weapons like magnetar, for example, is harder to aim.

[ember pecan]

Skill is if you are able to use it properly or you are good at it...

[light hedge]

Well duh, Mags are hitscan. Flames are projectiles

[hoary pollen]

Brother I’ve been running flame ravana for just over 2 years, I do not have a skill issue with the flames.

[ember pecan]

Are you the one who got said skill issue?

I just joined in lol

[hoary pollen]

Yep

[ember pecan]

Oh

Then if you can hit them there's no issue

[hoary pollen]

Yeah I was trying to point out the cons of flame weapons because we were talking about ao jun ember

[ember pecan]

I though we are talking about someone lmao

[hoary pollen]

Yeah when he said “skill issue” it shifted the topic towards me specifically but that wasn’t the point at all

[ember pecan]

Lol XD

[hoary pollen]

Flames deal crazy damage tho

Flame fenrir goes crazy too

[ember pecan]

Yes

Flame Mendy was able to shred Skyros... Somehow

[hoary pollen]

Flame does pretty insane damage for a T3 weapon

[hoary pollen]

Yeah this is exactly what Im talking about

This is exactly something pixo would do

[clever canopy]

true

we need to give them new ideas, apparently theyre running out of ideas considering robots have some weirdish names now

[hoary pollen]

Brother 18000 per shot is not okay

[clever canopy]

#1171688831486013540 it's a typo

Cracker, Breaker, Destroyer
A type of weapon that shoots out fragmentation shells, that can explode on impact and deal severe Kinetic damage. Every hit to any robot or Titan within 50m radius makes the armor of the robot or Titan more vulnerable, inflicting the Break effect on them and increases the incoming damage to that robot from any source. If shot at an Ally, the fragments immediately repairs the armor of the allied Robot or Titan, and decreases the damage taken to the Robot/Titan by up to 25%. This effect stacks on top of the existing Defence Points you already have on your robot/Titan.

Cracker MK3:
AoE Damage: 2300 per shot
Fire rate: 1 shot every 0.15 seconds
Ammo: 60
Reload time: 5s
Range: 345m

Breaker MK3:
AoE Damage: 6700 per shot
Fire rate: 1 shot every 0.3 seconds
Ammo: 40
Reload time: 5s
Range: 345m

Destroyer MK3:
AoE Damage: 15000 per shot
Fire rate: 1 shot every 0.6 seconds
Ammo: 20
Reload time: 5s
Range: 345m

Effect: BREAK
Accumulation: 5 stacks per shot
Max stacks: 85
Damage increase to enemy Robot/Titan per stack: 0.7%
Damage increase to enemy Titan per stack: 1.2%
Fragmentation Radius: 50m

Effect: PATCH
Accumulation: 1 stack per shot
Max stacks: 5
Damage decrease to allied Robot/Titan per stack: 5%
Grey Damage Repair per shot: 1% Max HP
Repair per shot: 3% Max HP
Total repair: 4% Max HP
Repair radius: 50m

[hoary pollen]

Is this a shotgun or something?

Oh impact frag gun

[clever canopy]

honestly, these weapons are based off the idea of the ochokochi
could be ocho's new best in slot, supporting/healing other Ochokochis in a full ocho squad, while further increasing the damage that the enemies take

[clever canopy]

No, shotguns deal damage in -> while this is a Kinetic weapon that deals damage to everyone within 50m radius

[hoary pollen]

Yeah-no… self healing is fine but

[clever canopy]

and since the repair radius is also 50m, imagine shooting at the non-Ocho players, while also healing yourself and your Ocho squad

Great idea 👍

[hoary pollen]

A brawler robot healing other brawler robots along the way will effectively make healing robots useless

[clever canopy]

well gargantua and pantagruel exist

[hoary pollen]

Or less appealing

[hoary pollen]

Thats self healing, as I said.

[clever canopy]

they can just nerf the healing later on

[hoary pollen]

Why not just remove the healing part?

[clever canopy]

maybe release this after a healbot meta or something

[clever canopy]

no, this is vital at keeping the ochokochi's alive

[hoary pollen]

It already decreased damage taken by the robot by 25% thats absurd

[hoary pollen]

Yeah they shouldn’t be given more survivability

[clever canopy]

yes, alongside ocho's dot decrease by 60%, this will help the ochokochis survive longer and be able to manage the dot.

This weapon concept is literally designed with full ocho squads in mind

[hoary pollen]

If you die using mk3 ochokochi and think it’s the game’s fault you should honestly uninstall

[swift widget]

Why to even worry about support bots now ? They are dead since they invented self-healing and Unstable conduit... You don't even need support bots anymore, maybe only for Titans because they don't have that healing button yet

[hoary pollen]

THAT is a genuine skill issue

[clever canopy]

true

[hoary pollen]

Except mender

[clever canopy]

honestly mender is still there

hanging on

[swift widget]

Well yeah because Mender is kinda goated with that 30% grey damage repair

[hoary pollen]

Menders on my team is always welcome

[hoary pollen]

FRRR

[hoary pollen]

Problem is this gun gives grey damage repair too apparently

[clever canopy]

honestly, the weapon concept cant really repair alot of grey damage

[swift widget]

Demeter used to be 30% before they nerfed APPMETR

[clever canopy]

0.1% is insignificant

[hoary pollen]

Brother you put that as 1% before

[clever canopy]

Yea, shouldve been 0.1%

[hoary pollen]

But imagine you’re getting spawnraided by 6 ochokochis

[clever canopy]

but honestly 1% is also fine

[hoary pollen]

They all refuse to die because of god forsaken game design

Mothership+ pilot+ modules+ this weapon

[clever canopy]

theyre using these weapons, dealing constant AoE at your team, and then you managed to almost take one of em out... it still has all 4 weapons though...

then the other ocho teammates frantically fire at that one guy

boom HP back to 50%

and they can roll again

[hoary pollen]

Without even these weapons ochokochi can take on 3+ robots already if you know how to play it, againdt the people who have the same skill level as you.

[hoary pollen]

That is not a good thing brother

[clever canopy]

that would fix the ochokochi's issue, if unstable conduit is on cooldown

to ensure that the ocho will stay alive

this weapon is meant for squads anyway

[hoary pollen]

Ochokochi’s issue is that it stays alive too long

[clever canopy]

too short in my opinion

[hoary pollen]

It shouldn’t be able to receive zero grey damage in its ability duration

[clever canopy]

should be longer :)

[hoary pollen]

Get better then

[clever canopy]

honestly, it receives damage over time

and it will receive grey damage

[hoary pollen]

Throw some of you “skill” in there

[clever canopy]

when ability ison cooldown

[hoary pollen]

No dot has no grey damage

[clever canopy]

this weapon is meant to fix that issue

so it can heal grey dmg even during ability cooldown

[hoary pollen]

If robots are invincible, why even bother playing the game?

[clever canopy]

weapon still has 5s reload

[hoary pollen]

There are 5 other ochokochis

[hoary pollen]

5 second vulnerability is NOT enough under any circumstances

[clever canopy]

yes, exactly, that would fix the issue with the weapon's reload

[hoary pollen]

Can I see your hangar?

[clever canopy]

since 5s vulnerability is still a vulnerability

[hoary pollen]

I want to see exactly what you’re running and if you are able to handle 6 ochokochis spawnraiding you

[swift widget]

Man, every robot is vulnerable when on cooldown.... Problem is that Ocho's cooldown is wayyyy too short for the level of protection it offers. It's similar to Revenant's one in terms of immunity to Gray damage, but you get 60% resistance the Revenant isn't getting... And the cooldown is somehow 33% shorter than all other robots with similarly powered abilities. This is a game design issue, if you're complaining then what other robots did you even play all those years ?

[clever canopy]

so basically this weapon fixes alot of the fundamental issues with the ochokochi:

• 12s cooldown means you can still receive grey dmg during that duration - fixed with grey damage healing and regular healing
• 5s reload time fixed with teammates also being able to fire the shots at you to heal you up
• dot damage taken might be way too much to handle - this weapon helps you to reduce the dot taken so your UC won't be overwhelmed, and in case you receive the RUST effect from the new weapons, your teammates can patch you up and reduce the DMG taken.

[hoary pollen]

Since one ocho can basically take out 3 robots, if you have 5 more of them in succession, and you time your ability right after your teammate’s one ends, you effectively auto win the game

[clever canopy]

no..

[hoary pollen]

Ochokochi is meant to be vulnerable so it can be killed

[clever canopy]

hopefully this will somewhat make the Ochokochi more viable.

[hoary pollen]

Ochokochi is already the most viable robots in the game

Do you want us to pray to the ochokochi robot starting from next year or something

[clever canopy]

honestly I just need Hacking WR YT's hellburner, he can handle six ochos.

[hoary pollen]

But can you handle it now?

[clever canopy]

it's a bit less relevant now due to the cooldown nerf

[swift widget]

• 1st point : that's call skill using cover, any robot can fix that without crazily short cooldowns
• 2nd point : average support bot moment
• 3rd point : 60% resistance + Mothership healing + Module + amplifiers aren't enough to keep you alive ?

You're trying to solve issues that don't exist because Ocho is OP... And you can use your so-called "skill" to even avoid half of the problems you pointed out

[clever canopy]

yes
To handle a six ocho squad, you just have to play in squads too, make sure you also have ochokochis (5 ocho and 1 ophion can also do) and these new fragmentation weapons

[hoary pollen]

You know what this sounds like

[clever canopy]

Match would probably last for exactly 10 minutes

and everyone would deal >50M dmg

so it would be a tie

[hoary pollen]

If you encounter

6 ochokochis

And you’re playing not in squads,

With your current hangar, which you’ve poured money into, can you effectively take out all the ochokochis and win the game?

[tall pendant]

Ochos don’t need any help

[hoary pollen]

Answer my question first za not this guy

[tall pendant]

Huh?

[clever canopy]

of course yes
you just need to be lucky to have the other five randoms running at least 2 ochokochis and 3 ophions so it would be a 3 ocho 3 ophion "squad" and all of them must have the new grenade weapons

[tall pendant]

Bro I kill goats with my Rhino bro. No need for other goats

[clever canopy]

honestly these weapons takes into account all the vulnerabilities of the ochokochi and aims to fix it

[hoary pollen]

So its “luck” now not skill? What happened to “Long live Skill in WR!!!” You were chanting yesterday

[clever canopy]

now with these new weapons, the Goat can be healed from outside with an Ophion flying above giving you 3.1% HP every 0.5s, so it won't matter if the Goat's UC is down

[hoary pollen]

Nobody wants that except you brother

[clever canopy]

so it'll fix the issue anw

[tall pendant]

What issue?

[hoary pollen]

Have you noticed that nobody is supporting your ideas about Ochokochi needing a buff?

[clever canopy]

the vulnerability issue of the ochokochi

[swift widget]

Am I listening to a Pixonic review now ? That sounds so much like what they do with releasing new OP Pilot, OP Drone, OP Mothership... everytime something is released, as if the OP robot and OP weapons weren't enough alone

[tall pendant]

It’s practically invincible

[hoary pollen]

Careful with the word “pixonic” there my brother, this guy worships pixonic to such a degree I do not understand

[tall pendant]

Bro it does not need a buff. My Rhino is vulnerable, that doesn’t mean I need to make some big essay on why it shouldn’t be

[hoary pollen]

Yeah right every robot should be vulnerable.

If you just cant be killed then you’re like a god in the game thats what you are

[clever canopy]

1st point: what if the enemy is right in front of you?
2nd point: Support bots are not always there in the vicinity, so maybe your teammate Ophion can now deliver the heals from above instead of waiitng for a Mender or something
3rd point:

• Ability is down for 12s
• Mothership requires charging time
• UC also requires a cooldown, isnt active all the time
• IA's only reduce not eliminate damage taken

[tall pendant]

But I do hate the fact that the ability doesn’t automatically turn off when the shield breaks, which is really annoying having to press the ability again mid-battle

[hoary pollen]

Za are you mad about the cooldown being 12 seconds?

Do you blame it on the playerbase?

[tall pendant]

It should be 15

But anyway I’ll be going to bed

[hoary pollen]

Goodnight

[clever canopy]

No, your opinion is wrong because you shouldn't really call anything OP in this game, the new stuff are sometimes even weaker than the older ones (take the typhon vs the hawk for example)

[clever canopy]

the cooldown is fine, 12s is okay, as long as the new weapons are implemented

if not then 6-8s should be fine

[hoary pollen]

Well they’re not right now, do you think the playerbase is wrong for making the cooldown 12 seconds?

Is it the playerbase’s fault?

[clever canopy]

I don't worship Pixo, I just appreciate their masterpiece

[hoary pollen]

Was the ochokochi balanced in your opinion when jt first hit the live server?

[clever canopy]

Yes it truly is

[hoary pollen]

Well are you aware, that apparently NOT EVEN PIXONIC, intended the cooldown to be 6 seconds?

[clever canopy]

I thought it is OP back then but like then I got one 2 weeks later and I ended up knowing that it isn't really OP, it's just that players haven't learned how to counter it

[clever canopy]

If pixonic didnt intend to have the cooldown to be 8s, then the change wouldve been donw overnight.

[hoary pollen]

Read their official statements.

Their words, not mine.

[swift widget]

That's a skill issue if you can't plan a manoeuver to survive an assault... When using an Ares ability you always want to reach cover before your shield even collapses. Why would you forget this basic principle in an Ocho ? And if that's an enemy taking you off-guard, why would you deserve a second chance ? It's like surviving a 10v1 ambush just because you have plot armor : this is what you're asking for apparently

[hoary pollen]

He wants ochokochi to make you a god of the battlefield, literally. His words.

[swift widget]

As if Ocho wasn't enough of a god already

[hoary pollen]

“Insanely hard to play” 💀

[swift widget]

💀

Sometimes I think people should go back to the OGs, to truly realise how easy the new stuff is... Nowadays you can win the newest items in events and chests, nobody even realises there are 40 robots available

[hoary pollen]

My gawd didn’t he see the video where 6 titans are fighting the ocho and it just doesn’t die for 5 minutes

[light hedge]

There's only 40? feels like more

[swift widget]

Like, even running something "modern" like a Blitz isn't near being as easy as an Ocho

[hoary pollen]

Ikr

[swift widget]

Certainly more, but that's simply an approximation about players knowing only the last 10 robots released

[light hedge]

It's a textbook case of powercreep. Y'all are gonna stay hung up on this? Must really have nothing better to do

[hoary pollen]

Blitz requires a lot of skill especially if ur not running leg pilot

[swift widget]

Well I shouldn't need to argue about this, but since we got a guy praying for "skill" in an Ochokochi and wanting to make it even more godlike... maybe that wouldn't be a dumb topic after all

[light hedge]

The guy's a troll, been doing this for like a week lol

Just don't give them any attention

[hoary pollen]

Fair point

Lowkey funny tho

[light hedge]

It can be entertaining

[swift widget]

We ended up talking without him for some time Fun to talk to people when a discussion is jumpstarted by such a troll

[hoary pollen]

Haha FR

[light hedge]

Fair

[swift widget]

Like, we know he won't change his mind, and we know our arguments are valid against his... So we can spend time chatting instead of making up arguments

[hoary pollen]

Frfr

[light hedge]

I'd say piloting Hover effectively takes more skill regardless

lmao

mb

[swift widget]

without talking about Hover can be yeeted out very easily since it flies already

[light hedge]

Tbf Hover can fly well above Ocho's stampede range. Silk's a great Hover player and managed to smoke my Ocho

[hoary topaz]

why does it have so wierd distance?

[hoary topaz]

also the damage of the heavy weapon is to big

I would change the stack thing: each shot has a 25% chance on accumulating 1 stack

and give the effects a time while they are working

I'd say 10 seconds or so with the immunity of 20 seconds

[swift widget]

Looks like a stack-based ability, not a single-trigger one like Blind So no immunity for you

[hoary topaz]

[hoary pollen]

I honestly think he knows he is speaking complete nonsense, but his ego is too big to admit hes wrong, so hes making stuff up as he goes, and hes come all this way defending his points so i think hes just going through with it completely now

Or Hes just completely delusional could be either of the cases

[brittle rapids]

Slowness is worst effect period

Because you can’t rotate your bot to shoot enemies and you effectively have perm lockdown if your enemy keeps shooting u

And u can’t even shoot enemy because guns can’t rotate because 18 stack slowness

• no effect immunity

[knotty zenith]

slowness shouldnt affect turning weapons

[brittle rapids]

Unfortunately it does

It’s basically most op effect

Only way to counter is either superjump away with Nether ( you won’t even survive long enough to accumulate the kind of slowness I’m talking about ) or Stampede / Charge / Castling with Ocho or Minos or Rook

Luchador froggie splash too short

[hoary pollen]

Double grav amps on thor

[knotty zenith]

it should have an immunity or a slower duration or something

[neon merlin]

Nah it wouldn't make sense

because it's against positive energy recuperator, angler, ravana, lynx, indra, luchador rook, ochokochi, phase shift etc (of course some things are weak but that's a typical pixonic excuse

[hoary topaz]

1 step. the hp nerf
2step. the ability cooldown/duration nerf
3step. immunity nerf

I guess Pixo will stick with this

[clever canopy]

idk

[clever canopy]

it's okay, Subduer exists

This is the kind of concepts pixonic would listen

if I make it too weak or according to you, "balanced" it would fall on deaf ears

[hoary pollen]

Nothing you suggest are exactly “balanced”

Take your ochokochi suggestion, you want to buff it right? Ochokochi is already one of the best bots in the game, and it is most likely will receive nerfs in the future patches. Nobody here except you want an ochokochi buff. Not even pixonic “ intended” for the ochokochi to have a six second cooldown. There are champion league players here, and they most definitely have better game knowledge than you, and they know ochokochi most definitely does not need any sort of buffs at the moment. Listen to them, the game shouldn’t ever revolve around a single robot, it has in the past, I know, but it SHOULDN’T, and you should most definitely not be condoning such acts.

[clever canopy]

the game doesn't revolve around a single robot, yes, but the ocho is currently slightly too weak due to the nerf and requires some buffs to make it more viable.

[hoary pollen]

Notice how nobody except you want ochokochi to be buffed?

Not even people with ochokochis?

[clever canopy]

No?

[hoary pollen]

Also, Ochokochi was never nerfed

[clever canopy]

But anyway check this out

[hoary pollen]

It was fixed according to pixonic

[clever canopy]

4 million HP world record

thanks to the durability extender

[zealous obsidian]

No promoting yt

[clever canopy]

wait it's disappearing

[clever canopy]

finally alive

[hoary pollen]

Bro just got summoned damn

[clever canopy]

bruh

look at that video tho

4 million hp ochokochi world record

those weapons are insanely good at taking out other ochos

the trickster and tamer

[hoary pollen]

Good for you

[clever canopy]

@hoary pollen Ocho

[hoary pollen]

Why are you @ing me in this

[clever canopy]

just look at it

the unknown ochokochi

finally getting its well deserved buff

at the end of the match though

all ocho needs is more HP

[hoary pollen]

Yeah it needs a nerf 4M hp shouldn’t be on any robot

It prolly will get a nerf sooner or later according to the pixonic business plan tho so

Just gotta wait it out ig

[clever canopy]

Not really

Ocho, Rook etc can have that

[hoary pollen]

Rook is a titan lil bro

[clever canopy]

no, because of noobs complaining

[clever canopy]

ocho is a bot that lives off of its HP

the ocho doesnt have any resistance when on cooldown

except you use armadillo or something

[hoary pollen]

Haha sure buddy

[hoary pollen]

Yeah so it can die just like any other robot

Do you want a robot or a god jeez

[clever canopy]

a robot that is well-versed and well-balanced

[hoary pollen]

Yeah well that robot needs to be able to die

[clever canopy]

yeah and hopefully the new heal weapon concept would make the oochie more useful

[hoary pollen]

Its already the most useful robot in the game?

[clever canopy]

in squads, if an oochie is on cooldown, you can use those weapons to heal the oochie with another oochie

[clever canopy]

it needs to be more useful

[hoary pollen]

Brother show me your hangar

[clever canopy]

so it can contribute more in team play

[clever canopy]

I'm not at home now

[hoary pollen]

Well what do you have in your hangar

[clever canopy]

ochokochi

ophion

fenrir

another ochokochi

lynx

[hoary pollen]

And you paid for those?

[clever canopy]

yes, I love the ochokochi ngl

it's a very balanced robot, and even if it's still a bit too weak (needs an HP buff ngl) it's very fun to play

in FFA i can get like

20+ kills with it

[hoary pollen]

I got an ocho and ophion myself as f2p and honestly if you’re stuck in Masters with double ochos, you got a problem buddy

[clever canopy]

No, everytime I go to champs, I lower my league a bit so I will stay in Master 1

and no you can't get banned for tanking in masters and champs

i'm sure it's only in experts and below

since master league gameplay is more fun ngl

[hoary pollen]

So you’re just staying in masters so you dont face better players

With better gear

Who will maul you

[clever canopy]

I can go to Champs, I just don't... want to

[hoary pollen]

Because you will die

[clever canopy]

Master 1 that is, at 4996

[clever canopy]

No

Die easier yes

but Masters just have that more fun twist

[hoary pollen]

You want to fight incompetent players because you lack the skill to fight better players yes?

[clever canopy]

no?

I literally use skill to make the ocho viable again

[hoary pollen]

The twist being you got better gear than them

[clever canopy]

after the pseudo-nerf

[clever canopy]

What?

Honestly master 3 - 1 is where i'm at

I never go to champs anw

[hoary pollen]

Brother do all you want to stay in master I really don’t care

[clever canopy]

and you can't accuse me of tanking

[hoary pollen]

But if you don’t fight champion players who are competent at the game,

[clever canopy]

since tanking is like expert and below

[hoary pollen]

Dont run your mouth

[clever canopy]

Masters are competent at the game, they just spend less

[hoary pollen]

Less than you right?

So you’re using money to beat them?

Not skill?

[clever canopy]

especially in a 1v1 in ffa

[clever canopy]

No, i'm using skill to beat them

[hoary pollen]

Because you lack the skill for champions?

[clever canopy]

No?

[light hedge]

Literally every bot can hit 4m

Anything usable*

[clever canopy]

I told you I can go to champs but it'd lower abit back to masters

I've locked myself in master league basically since it's more fun playing at ML

than CL

[hoary pollen]

I get it you want to stay at masters play it easy because its more chill there jts easier to kill people

[clever canopy]

no?

I use my skill to take out the lesser skilled players

that's it

[hoary pollen]

No no I get you you just wanna play it easy

[clever canopy]

it's all about skill

[hoary pollen]

Have some fun and all

[clever canopy]

not the ochokochi

doesnt matter what robot you have

or anything

[hoary pollen]

Enjoy the game for what it is and hey,

Thats okay!

[clever canopy]

yeah, honestly getting 20+ kills and stuff

[hoary pollen]

But don’t run your mouth about things that are clearly wrong if you’re just incompetent

[clever canopy]

I'm not incompetent

I literally told you I use skill to do those things

[hoary pollen]

Sure sure

[clever canopy]

back then with the Fafnir too, 28 kills in FFA

[hoary pollen]

Then go to champs and try to do your thing there ay?

[clever canopy]

but then it got nerfed

because incompetent people asked for it

[hoary pollen]

Haha yeah because pixo needs to make money

[clever canopy]

no, I'd stay at 4000ish league points

[clever canopy]

No, because yall asked for it

[hoary pollen]

Yeah you do you man I honestly cant blame you for not wanting to be mauled

[clever canopy]

and I guess i'd have to update my Titan soon

to the new Eiffel if it becomes a skill Titan

[hoary pollen]

Champs is tough ngl lots of dagons haha

But you stay there yeah?

[clever canopy]

I hope it'd have some resistance in flight, maybe an 80% damage absorbing reflector?

[clever canopy]

I'd get the dagon soon

[hoary pollen]

Just stay there down in masters and run your mouth about things you don’t know about and don’t experience

[clever canopy]

and once I get it, i'd start to campaign to not nerf the dagon and the weapons

[hoary pollen]

Yeah ofc buddy just keep spending thats the WR way

[light hedge]

lol that's not why Fafnir got nerfed

[clever canopy]

the trickster tamer

[light hedge]

That thing was broken

[clever canopy]

It's not.

It never was.

[hoary pollen]

Oh so its this?

[clever canopy]

I love my Fafnir, that thing gives me the ability to get

like 20+ kills in ffa

[light hedge]

You're smoking something foul to have this perception

[clever canopy]

as long as someone shot at my shield

[hoary pollen]

Definitely not because people complained pixo planned this from the start

[clever canopy]

yes true

[clever canopy]

no, they always complain stuff about every update

[hoary pollen]

Nah I mentioned wrong one

[light hedge]

Literally one shot to Fafnir's shield and it got like +70% damage to weapon, thing's nasty

[clever canopy]

every single update, every single new bot, new titan

the community shouts OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

NNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFFFFFF
IIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTT

[light hedge]

Because the new things are op lmao

[hoary pollen]

Haha and you abuse it and say you got skill

[clever canopy]

i'm tired of hearing that crap

[hoary pollen]

Stay in masters buddy you do your thing

[clever canopy]

I'd get my dagon soon

[light hedge]

ngl Dagon's kinda weak though

[clever canopy]

it's a balanced bot for sure like the ochokochi

[clever canopy]

true, needs buff

[light hedge]

Absolutely not

[clever canopy]

maybe 2x the shield power?

2x regeneration?

[hoary pollen]

This man is funny

[light hedge]

imma dip, this is going nowhere. @hoary pollen I'd advise you to do the same lol

[hoary pollen]

I want to but its too funny to just dip haha

Ive been visiting this thread every morning to start out my day gives me a few good laughs

[light hedge]

lol fair enough

Good luck out here soldier 🫡

[hoary pollen]

Thank you brother

[clever canopy]

?

It's not funny

[hoary pollen]

Nothing mate keep going

I needa hear more of this

[clever canopy]

...

[clever canopy]

It's not

I'm already tired of this vicious cycle

everytime new update drops everyone complained about every new thing being "OP" and whatever

[hoary pollen]

Mmm and what you gonna do about it again

[clever canopy]

just say the reasons why those new content are not OP.

Because it is.

Pixonic knows what's best about this game, and they don't need stupid people to complain everytime

[hoary pollen]

Haha okay mate

Keep going

[clever canopy]

?

[zealous obsidian]

Ease on the caps

[brittle rapids]

@clever canopy I totally agree with this

My Angler got nerfed so badly when it was a skill bot and not just your average Newton

And yes, people should stop complaining about meta bots, they’re meta for a reason

Those who call them balanced and need buffs have serious skill issues or weapon shortages

And those who call them broken are just complaining about being destroyed by either skilled users or wallet mk3

While the only thing that nerf cycle does is kill free to play because paid players will still spend anyways for next completely broken meta

And there is no point trying to balance free and paid players aside from completely reworking shop UI and only selling bad items but that would kill the game eventually

Even a Strider could easily obliterate a Nether if the Strider user spent $2000 improving his mech while the Nether was a free player

Issue is if meta items become useless and no longer have an edge over other items then other items will become meta and Pixonic will eventually be forced to release another broken meta because old bots destroying everything and they can’t nerf because then literally 50% players gonna quit

[mortal estuary]

Never seen a rook with 4 million 😂

[barren furnace]

My ochokochi at mk2 has about 320k health and can easily solo the kid titan, and the noodles titan

Very

[tall pendant]

A normal robot shouldn’t even have 500k HP

[hoary topaz]

wait did he get muted or what?

[tall pendant]

Who?

[hoary topaz]

the guy who created this thread

[tall pendant]

Oh

Idk

@clever canopy

Not sure why he would be muted, because Pixonic probably doesn’t mind buffing it for money

[hoary topaz]

he has the muted role though

[brittle rapids]

Probably did all caps messages

[ember pecan]

What's wrong with doing all caps?

[hoary topaz]

i guess

[ember pecan]

Lemme check rules

[hoary topaz]

lol

[ember pecan]

Can't find it there

[tall pendant]

Oof

L

He probably deserves that for making such a dumb thread

[hoary topaz]

I guess it was something before

in the middle or in the begining

[tall pendant]

Hmm

[hoary topaz]

not the caps only

cause I dont remember anyone got muted just for caps

[ember pecan]

What the name of the thread?

[hoary topaz]

"Ochokochi does not need a NERF"

[ember pecan]

💀💀

[tall pendant]

Same reaction here

💀

[swift widget]

Wow what did I witness overnight ?

[zealous obsidian]

Watch the emoji spam

[ember pecan]

Hmm?

Alright

What spam?

[hoary pollen]

With this I agree, angler was pretty broken upon release but it reached a point where it really was a balanced bot, but pixonic went down on it hard with the ban hammer even after that

[brittle rapids]

We shouldn’t even get nerfs at all

Items shouldn’t even be broken in the first place

Maybe just 10% better than old stuff

Not 1000% better then after nerf becoming half of what old stuff was

[hoary topaz]

somehow 3 emojies = spam

[hoary pollen]

Exactly. Pixonic needs to know where to draw the line.

[hoary pollen]

Shouldn’t be able to maul them straight up, it should have its clear strengths and clear weaknesses, and simply introduce a fun, new playstyle.

[brittle rapids]

Issue with this is the Dagon

[hoary pollen]

Dont even talk about dagon bro

Dagon is just

[brittle rapids]

It’s able to exploit weaknesses in pretty much every bot because of 6 slots

[hoary pollen]

Yeah

Its just pressing with straight up firepower

[brittle rapids]

Say 1 lockdown 3 blast and 2 dot

Nothing will be able to withstand that

[hoary pollen]

Its ability is simple but 6 weapon slots brother that is just

Especially with all these new weapons out.

[brittle rapids]

Fenrirs will get locked and blasted to shreds due to mitigation on blast and dot

Mars will get destroyed if shieldbreaker is used

Seraph will straight up be vaporised

[hoary pollen]

Imo everything in t4 should be viable. Its a hot take, but right now theres literally tiers within tiers because of the crippling powercreep.

[brittle rapids]

Ochokochi will get locked, then die

[hoary topaz]

reapers

[hoary pollen]

Theres like no point in having robot tiers atp

[hoary topaz]

EMP

[brittle rapids]

Ochokochi, Dagon is T5

[hoary topaz]

lol

[hoary pollen]

New stuff is always T5, almost always anyways

[hoary topaz]

I gues UE stuf is

[hoary pollen]

Dont even bring ultimates up

I will never

[brittle rapids]

Ophion too

[hoary pollen]

Forgive pixonic

[brittle rapids]

It’s T5

[hoary topaz]

[hoary pollen]

For making ultimate editions

[hoary pollen]

At least its vulnerable tho

Its like an ao jun but you can actually use it

[brittle rapids]

Then you’ve never seen Champs Ophions

[hoary pollen]

Okay I meant compared to ochos and dagons running around ophion is pretty tame

I run one myself but maybe its cuz I lack labrys

[brittle rapids]

Wanna see how 2 Ochos and 3 other bots stack up against 1 Wallet mk3 Ophion?

[hoary pollen]

I mean if you make it face against wallet mk3 ochos

Its pretty tame

I know people make broken combinations with weapons and motherships and drones and all but

If you just simply take the concept of the robot itself

Id prefer ophion over the abominations that are ochokochis ans dagons

[hoary topaz]

ophion -> blast spam -> ocho feels pain

[hoary pollen]

It flies and shoots and the boys got a shield

Ah well theyre all annoying to face against so I guess its that

Damn I really want more labrys

Ive been running Klaser ophion and its fun but it lacks the punch

[brittle rapids]

Run Scorcher Ophion

I could run K laser Mender if I wanted to kill a Destrier

[mystic bison]

No one bro is calling for ocho buff and so jun nerf

[hoary pollen]

The guy who started this thread does lol

[mystic bison]

No way*

Autocorrect going brrt

[hoary pollen]

I see

Fr tho

[cold hatch]

how long will this go

[hoary topaz]

idk

until, in 38473837 years ocho will be buffed

[swift widget]

What is missing in WR is a fixed scale of power... Weapons should have a DPM based on their range and precision, regardless of their Tier and effects. A T1 weapon and a T4 would deal globally the same damage, maybe with a slight increase with Tier (we're talking +10% at most), but the nexus point would be the added effects of the modern weapons. So the point of new stuff would never be increased damage, but opened playstyles.

A good example of that would be Gauss and Trebuchet : they are both snipers, with different reloading speeds ; where Trebuchet is a basic plasma cannon, Gauss additionally pierces defense systems because of the increased Tier. A fixed damage scale would be just that simple and healthy for the game on the long run

[hoary pollen]

But again pixo would never

[swift widget]

That's yet the main issue to overcome

[brittle rapids]

Because if stuff is too balanced then why would people even buy it

[wicked gale]

So sick of fight so many Ophions and Ochokochi I'd swear the game name is War Ochokochies.

[brittle rapids]

Nope it’s War Newton

Actually it’s War Newton Ochokochi Ophion

[kindred flower]

this could have only been typed by a whale

[swift widget]

Well that's also the problem with basing your entire business model out of power creep Of course it's harder to make a balanced game that economically survive, but then maybe an f2p model isn't the solution

[wicked gale]

Walking Flying and Always Levitating You War Robots.

[swift widget]

WFALYWR

Let's just keep it to WR

[wicked gale]

I actually like Ochokochi push ability so I can keep that.

Still name bulling and pushing and flinging your hangar all over the place war robots.

[swift widget]

War Robots That Do Not Touch The Floor Anymore

[oblique pivot]

Ive been reading this dude's posts

Yall sure like

He aint be satirical

Or maybe these posts are baits

Because if it isnt this is some serious pixo bootlicking

If any of these ideas become real it will

Actually be the doom of us all

[swift widget]

It went too far to be a funny troll at this point... We all suspect the serious bootlicking path now, as logic is not enough to explain what we saw in this thread

[hoary topaz]

yes

[hoary topaz]

agre

agree

[tall pendant]

Agreed. This P2W is just another one who wants OP robots to be buffed so they can be even more powerful than they were before

[swift widget]

I think all players should spend time with old machines, to realise what skill means nowadays... Give them a Mercury, give them an Invader, and they will realise what it means to be actually good at piloting... Instead of whining because their favorite OP robot will get nerfed

Bulwark makes you realise the value of an Aegis ; Falcon teaches you the art of timing ; Cerberus is the grandfather of all annoying effects we have (back then when EMP didn't exist)... All those "old" robots are the pillars that made the game as it is nowadays

[oblique pivot]

Truer words have never been said

[swift widget]

[hoary pollen]

He aint brother he said it himself

Hes hell bent on serving pixonic as some sort of god or something I wouldn’t be surprised if he prays to pixonic every night

[hoary pollen]

Honestly wanna see the guy go broke from how much he spends on WR

[hoary pollen]

Only way he might learn

[hoary pollen]

I don’t think anybody here can convince this guy

I just visit this thread every morning to have a good laugh

His entire definition of skill and skill robot is flawed and he constantly praises pixonic for some reason

If you say “pixonic knows whats best for the game” “pixonic has created a masterpiece and filthy noobs need to stop complaining” (his words), you’re delusional thats what

I know you’re trying to have a debate with him and Im not telling you to stop by any means, you do you I really don’t care if you want to have a debate with him or not, but take it to dms.

Hes going to deny any sort of statistic or numbers you come up with because he just doesnt want to admit he’s in the wrong.

You have to realise that he is not a normal person, a normal person wouldve deleted this thread or backed out soon as they see nobody is agreeing with them. This guy is either in some huge denial or he’s just ego arguing. He doesn’t even know what he defines them as skill, he had to use AI to generate an essay on the definition of skill in war robots.

Oh yeah cuz its funny to see his reaction

He contradicts himself every now and then

[oblique pivot]

There goes the rest of my braincells

I cannot take this seriously

Like

I dont know wether to laugh or be worried about guys mental health

[hoary pollen]

Just laugh ig nothing we can rlly do here I just visit this thread for comedy every morning

[brittle rapids]

Me taking on mk3 Redeemer Fenrir with mk3 Angler with lvl 5 Cudgels and Hammer mk2

[hoary pollen]

I love angler

Especially how it looks

Shame it got nerfed

[brittle rapids]

Yep

Still packs a punch tho

[hoary pollen]

Thing is, it reached a point where it was actually balanced since pixonic did a series of nerf instead of a big one

[brittle rapids]

Angler in it’s prime was way better than turret camper Mars

Mars literally worst bot to ever exist like whyyyyyyy

[hoary pollen]

Mars is just

Not fun for anyone

[brittle rapids]

And the turret is glitched 99% of the time

[hoary pollen]

If you play it, you cant kill people half the time

If you play against it, its really just annoying

[brittle rapids]

Either it teleports from 3m away from corner where it can’t shoot me and it teleports to behind the wall and starts deleting me

Or it just fires into blank space when deployed

[hoary pollen]

Its meant to be a fun bot

[brittle rapids]

Fr

[oblique pivot]

Saw a guy throw it off the cliff and it just teleports back up

[brittle rapids]

Wow

For me once the enemy turret just shot into blank space, not aiming at anyone even though I was literally 5m away from it

[hoary pollen]

I like the concept of robots like mars, its a saboteur robot, nothing like tons of health, its got decent speed and firepower, jt cannot spawnraid, it actually requires decent amount of skill on theory

[brittle rapids]

💀💀

[oblique pivot]

Youre in steath prob

[hoary pollen]

Its got such a weird hitbox and mechanic tho

[brittle rapids]

Nope

[hoary pollen]

Like it just shoots through walls sometime

[brittle rapids]

I was running my Angler

And I have no stealthed items except Crisis

[hoary pollen]

Anything related to throwing stuff in war robots is bound to be buggy tbh

[brittle rapids]

Unfortunately people just either deploy them under absorber / reflectors and die or drop them in enemy spawn and run away

[hoary pollen]

Yeah…

Pixo needs to realise

[brittle rapids]

Like everyone hates it because of the spawn camping

[hoary pollen]

Fast nimble robots needa be fragile

[brittle rapids]

Literally dropping turret and running away

[brittle rapids]

Leech

[hoary pollen]

And tank robots needa be slow

[brittle rapids]

Excuse me

Lynx has unbreakable forcefield in TS

[hoary pollen]

We seriously cannot have steamroller robots like ochokochis

[brittle rapids]

Tbf

Ochokochi dies in 1.5s against sonic scorpions

Especially those that run up to your face, then activate ability

[hoary pollen]

Not if you got 6 of them spawnraiding you

Thats the problem with ochokochis you can pick them out decently if theyre individuals

But like irl goats they move in HERDS

[brittle rapids]

That’s the issue

That’s why people hate them because of full squads

I literally lost a solid 1v1 against a Scorpion ( I didn’t die but I went from 400k to 100k and -1 light slot )

Ochokochi itself is pretty weak without all the durability extenders, Hiruko, Wallet mk3

Then ig people should stop complaining about it

Even 6 Erebus mk3 gonna be annoying as hell

[tall pendant]

If I saw a full squad of Rhinos or Rajins, I would like that

Lol

[brittle rapids]

Most annoying thing to fight when full squad is Newton

6 Newton is inf lift 2 of ur team

Can’t do anything, just getting infinitely lifted

[tall pendant]

Get yo hover lover mindset out of here lol

[brittle rapids]

Ehhhhhh I wouldn’t buy a Hover rn

Maybe after I get Nether and max my current hangar

[oblique pivot]

Theres a guy in here that runs a full hover hangar in champs

[brittle rapids]

If I get a Hover it’ll die in 2 ms because no spare amps

Or money for pilot

Tungsten Silk

[oblique pivot]

Tungsten steel

Oh silk

Mb

[brittle rapids]

@golden gale

What amps and pilot skills do you put on your Hovers

[oblique pivot]

I think he uses like

3x balanced units

[brittle rapids]

15k gold bruhhhhhhh

I’m poor

[oblique pivot]

Amps are like

Something that used to be scarce for me

Now i have like 5 or 6 immune and repair amp lying around

[brittle rapids]

How much cash did u spend

[oblique pivot]

Get a nuke amp

[oblique pivot]

Not much

[brittle rapids]

All my amps go to Ochokochi and Angler

I have 1 of each on Ochokochi

And 2 immunes on Angler

Bro why

[oblique pivot]

Mostly won em from event chests

[brittle rapids]

Ares sucks

I could kill u from 300m with bsgs

[oblique pivot]

Still usable

Kinda

[brittle rapids]

Crisis be like : We’re gonna see about that

[oblique pivot]

I dont use it so im not rlly sure

Im literally using a haechi in champs so an ares could prob work

[brittle rapids]

I don’t really see Ares being viable for anything except tanking a full Tonans hit for teammate

Damm that sucks

[oblique pivot]

That would be funny

Imagine if it dealt increased damage to titans

[brittle rapids]

Then Ares obliterating the Newton that shot it

[oblique pivot]

Wasnt the stack limit like

200k

[brittle rapids]

Yea that sucks

Everything deals damage in millions nowadays

[oblique pivot]

Ophion dealing almost 1m in one flight

[brittle rapids]

Pretty sure Spears / Otto Magnum are better

[tall pendant]

I thought lasers were kill stealers

[oblique pivot]

Do yall kinda miss when they released robots in pack

Nah i meant like

A family of robot

Like dash pack

And the pack ares was in

I forgot what its called

Yeah

Dash was the most iconic for me

Like

Its one of the most game breaking thing at the current time

It was released

They still do that

[brittle rapids]

Bro I don’t have $2000 to spend on a Hover

[golden gale]

a single mk3 hover like mine aint nuffin but maybe 30-50$

i can get into certain places in certain maps...for flying under maps...i can in part of abyss...but not all of it

where?

show me

right on ty...

do you need a second to get into game?

cool sending in next few seconds

[tall pendant]

Should we start a DM group to talk about this?

[brittle rapids]

I have $0 in my Paypal

[golden gale]

ahhhh...ok ok...the ole airplane mode trick...gotchya...lol...i thought you mrant a lefit live server hover only kinda thing lol

ty for showing me!

[golden gale]

im sorry

[oblique pivot]

Prob unless you want it patched

[golden gale]

hey hey Thunder Chief!

[golden gale]

when you wanna 1v1 lil lady?

[oblique pivot]

Im in class

Ill lyk when im ready

[golden gale]

its 8:07pm here right now

so if youd like to set a time just in case...that gives you idea of time difference

[soft plank]

Ocho is balance imo now that rust comes to counter it

But for once dagon is actually balance now

Hope the community doesn't say nerf it like mars did :v

[tall pendant]

Uh… not everyone has those goody new weapons bro

[soft plank]

Blast effect.
Blast effect also counters em

Literally any f2p can have at least a labrys :v

Blast effect bypasses the ochos ability
Not able to convert it to dot

So if u have scald dagon u can easily delete ocho

[tall pendant]

Not everyone has that too (even though most people probably have that lol)

[soft plank]

Hell even a scald khepri

[soft plank]

Atleast the drop for dragon is sorta the middle now

Everyone's been getting components of it sometimes

[tall pendant]

And practically no F2P has the Dagon

[soft plank]

One did

[brittle rapids]

Bro new weapons punch through Ochokochi dot resistance

[tall pendant]

If I had the Dagon, I would try it a little then trash it because it’s just so dumb to use. And not everyone can get the new weapons bro

[swift widget]

The problem I see with Blast is how the damage doesn't scale up with levels It's a 25k blast, period. Against a robot that has 400k HP without any modules and skills, so that's already 16 full blasts assuming the target doesn't heal back. That's a lot of exposure already, given the blast weapons are not designed to inflict more than a few Blast per magazine, and it widely depends on how many guns you have.

Genuine question : is Blast affected by damage boosts like Amplifiers, or generic damage pilot skills ?

[oblique pivot]

1 labrys deals 0 blast full clip

Youd need at least 2 labrys

And 2 labrys deals 1 blast for 25k

It will not counter an ocho

[oblique pivot]

You need to pay for a purple pad

[oblique pivot]

Unless you use a dagon or ophion while flying theres no way you would be able to 1 clip an ocho

Also no blast effect damage does not get affected from NA

[swift widget]

Okay so it's flat 25k damage... I know the old blastguns can maybe achieve 2 or 3 blasts per mag with a complete salvo, but we're far from the 16 blasts required by default... And those blastguns' direct damage are negligible compared to BGLs and BSGs

[oblique pivot]

Nope

Oh wait yeah

4 Bsg stacks like 2 times i think

My 3 mace at lvl1 mk2 does one

[swift widget]

With Scalds and Scorchers you can be pretty bonkers on Blastcharge effect because they have been designed to inflict as much blast as possible to compensate their low impact damage. If I had to get through an Ocho I would take those rather than other guns

[oblique pivot]

Iirc blast nades charges 3 times

For 4 of them

[swift widget]

I'll check how many mag% the old blastguns have

[oblique pivot]

Ksiphos ophion seems to be the most effective ocho counter so far

Its like

500k per mag with flight

Possibly alot more with a stacked nuke amp

[swift widget]

A single Scald is said to have 72% accumulation per mag... Problem : this weapon has an insane Reload-while-firing mechanic Only 8 ammo, but reloads in 6s... This effectively doubles its magazine size during a salvo, and idk how to interpret the Blast table

[oblique pivot]

I feel like having a set reload time is better

Also the khsiphos has the auto track mechanic

Which makes it much harder to miss

You wont ever miss actually

Unless the target is unusually fast

And small

[swift widget]

Yeah... Lazy weapon design

Old blastgun have a manual aiming all the way

[oblique pivot]

I think that they are actually alright

And

Somewhat balanced

They dont deal that much damage

They dont penetrate any shields

Their shield break ability is just awful

One of the balanced recent weapons for sure

Along with the hurricane

Unlike the new shotguns and rust weps

(They also look better than blast rockets)

Sound better too

[swift widget]

What I mean is from a technical point of view : back in the days you had what's called Lock-On (it's so old and outdated nowadays), aka "losing 3 seconds to be able to even fire at your target"... Those weapons were capable of swivelling around like the grenade launchers do, but they had those pesky 3 lost seconds each time you had to go from "no target" to "target acquired" (you could switch targets without delay if both were within 600m).

Then they released the Sting, little Light corrosive MG with the same aiming capabilities as the Lock-On mechanic but without the delay... It was released as a standalone weapon as a part of the 3 first DoT weapons ever introduced. And seeing how weak that weapon was, it was at least a weapon you had not to worry for aiming. And nowadays you got an increasing number of those guns you don't need to aim with : the K-Lasers and the Grenades as best examples. What made the Sting special is now becoming a widespread feature

[oblique pivot]

So true

They might as well remove the lock on for the scourge family at this point

Its obsolete

[swift widget]

The old missiles (Aphid and Spiral family), the Zeus family, the Scourge family... Those are old weapons, why would Pixonic bother ?

The fact that it's obsolete makes them even less appealing to buy

[oblique pivot]

They still seem to care about scourge

It recently received a buff

[swift widget]

I don't understand why they changed the firing interval... Now it's unsynced with the other weapons of its family

[oblique pivot]

Yeah thats true

[swift widget]

And if to buff Scourge, why leave the Spark and Calamity untouched ?

[oblique pivot]

Prob because medium weapons are more widely used?

I barely see anyone running spark now

[swift widget]

Because it's so weak.... It's a vicious cycle leading to old weapons to disappear

A Mk3 Spark deals barely 100k damage at full damage range, which is 50m... And it takes 8.5s to unload for so few output damage. A single Ksiphos unloads 60k within 4.5s, without counting the Blast effect and the fact that its damage doesn't change with distance

[oblique pivot]

Yeah crazy how the skadi which doesnt have the close range damage increase

Still beats the scourge

At 50m

[swift widget]

Well because that's not the same weapon tech... And they have instead a steady damage profile from 0 to 600m

[oblique pivot]

It still has auto track + its an electro arc firing weapon

Its the same thing but with freeze effect

[swift widget]

Technically speaking, a single Snaer deals "only" 60k compared to Spark 100k at ultra close range... But even beyond 300m the Snaer already deals more damage for the same output duration

[hoary topaz]

can you please help us out in the lore, when you are finished here

[hoary pollen]

How do you go under the map with hover

[hoary topaz]

how

show me

pls

[zealous obsidian]

This is a cool idea @mint venture

[mint venture]

whoops frfr

[mint venture]

there we go

[swift widget]

Well, farewell Davorgotron

[hoary topaz]

🫡

[brittle rapids]

Guys what happened to him

@clever night

[swift widget]

Disclosure of a glitch procedure

And subsequent ban

[hoary topaz]

for how long

[swift widget]

Ask the mods... But I don't have high hopes right now

[brittle rapids]

Damm

Alright we gotta evac

@swift widget @oblique pivot

We don’t discuss those concepts here

Farewell Davortragon

🫡🫡

[swift widget]

Careful to emoji spam

[brittle rapids]

2 should be fine

[swift widget]

In the rules they say 2 is the limit interpret that as you wish

"2 is sufficient"

[ember pecan]

Interesting

[swift widget]

What's funny is : 2 are sufficient... sufficient to convey a message without enforcement... or sufficient to be enforced ?

[ember pecan]

I spoke reversed and got muted...
Now I want to convey messege via emoji, but I read some stuff and it's not allowed

[hoary pollen]

Damn

[hoary pollen]

WR moment

[ember pecan]

Lol

[hoary pollen]

Is it just hydra or other mods that tight on rules too

I saw a guy get warned abt caps spamming when it was just like 4 words

[light hedge]

Just excessive caps, unnecessary in general

[hoary pollen]

I see

[clever canopy]

..

And oh well, the ocho really doesnt need a nerf

It really doesn't, i dont see why you have to argue over it

[hoary pollen]

Okay buddy

[oblique pivot]

the bootlicking is unreal

[hoary pollen]

Congrats on the unmute tho

[ember pecan]

Hehe

Why did he got muted again?

[hoary topaz]

caps

or somethig

[hoary topaz]

well, I now have an ocho myself

[brittle rapids]

Meta shouldn’t be nerfed crazily

Like Ocho nerf makes the bot balanced HOWEVER the other broken items need nerfs

Like dura extenders

[hoary topaz]

and I can say that when the lvl 6 bot dominates masters, something is really wrong

and I even dint have the pilot

[hoary topaz]

nah, they are fine

[brittle rapids]

Literally

[swift widget]

That's a problem with Pixonic game design : because the new meta is made from crazily OP items on release, they need to nerf them crazily to "restore balance"... It's all coming together, and it makes the situation even more nonsensical

[brittle rapids]

The reason why Ocho is so broken is all the ms turrets and drones and pilot skills that make it practically only have 2-3s for u to shoot at it because stealth from ms

[brittle rapids]

Dagon itself probably won’t be nerfed but weapons absolutely will

[swift widget]

Surprisingly robots recently seem to be less problematic than weapons A broken robot isn't broken when facing an OP weapon I guess...

[hoary topaz]

I agree with manni here. dagon and eifel themselves arent that OP which gives some dim hope

but those weapons are

which is sad

[swift widget]

The new robot Curie on test server seems to be on the same trend, being not so OP compared to what Ocho is displaying... But the weapons are utterly unbalanced

[hoary topaz]

i didnt play curie yet

so I cant tell

[swift widget]

I saw Manni's video, and the robot is still in development... So only time will tell if they butcher it like the others

[hoary topaz]

I hope it will be like the hurricanes

[swift widget]

Nobody is talking of the hurricanes right now They just vanished in the limbo of nerfed weapons

[hoary topaz]

lol

I mean the robot will be not meta

fine but not meta

not OP

like the skilled ravana

or somrthing like that

[oblique pivot]

they didnt even get a nerf

theyre just fine as they are

not too good not too bad

[swift widget]

Sadly it proves that people don't care about balanced weapons

[oblique pivot]

eh

[swift widget]

Not in a game where powercreep is that big

[oblique pivot]

i still see some people use it

[hoary pollen]

Yo guys

Should I invest a durability extender in my frozen scorn

[oblique pivot]

they keep recyling stuff

ravana and mars are just

powercrept haechi

[oblique pivot]

who even uses frozen scorn anymore

[hoary pollen]

Idk me 😭😭

[oblique pivot]

get a northlight or smth

idk

[swift widget]

See my post about Rockets in that guy's other thread (about a healing weapon)... This weapon family could be upgraded to T3-4, but Pixo just doesn't release rocket weapons anymore... Besides Hurricane which works as a jack-of-all-trades, we don't have specialised mid-range and long-range rockets that are efficient

[hoary pollen]

Yeah idk how to

How d u even get motherships anymore

Like black market chests?

Ive never rolled mothership comps from black market chests after spending like 1000

[swift widget]

Man I opened hundreds of Silver chest to get Mantis parts, got none in a year This is not even an option

Maybe they changed the drop rates, and I hope so

[hoary pollen]

Bruh

Pixonic moment

[swift widget]

I'm f2p btw, maybe the algorithm detected that and decided to ruin the Mantis grind

[brittle rapids]

Bro I would give Thor or Frozen Scorn if trading existed

I am currently running a base level Paladin

And have a Frozen Scorn lvl 28 and Thor lvl 29 in storage

[hoary pollen]

I got a thor on me

And frozen scorn too

[hoary pollen]

How does one acquire this

[brittle rapids]

Ehhh