He doesn't play the combo
#Pell's Bracket 3 League Rental Library
fresh parcel
golden bolt
as a rule i typically do not like decks that rely heavily on a single card
fresh parcel
Which most people do from what I've heard
golden bolt
yeah i assume most people do the dual strike reverberation price of progress dealeo as a way to kill
fresh parcel
No, the infinite combat one
fresh parcel
golden bolt
this has dual strike -> reverberation -> pop which is 10 damage per nonbasic land to all players
which is obviously a problem for surviving unless you also have angel's grace
fresh parcel
Yep
supple jacinth
Didnt want to take up another thread @golden bolt but I think I figured out who Im going to start brewing for your league
[[!ertai, resurrected]]
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
ooh that sounds really fun
also will be nice to have another blue player at the table
because im pretty sure the 4 people i brought in from elsewhere are not going to be as responsible, i know one of them's on vannifar
so at least that person will be running a few counterspells
i do need to finish signups by this weekend
supple jacinth
ooh that sounds really fun
The trick is that Im going to use the counter effect on myself
[[!lotus field]] etb sac two lands draw one
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
ayo free draw one
supple jacinth
And then flickers become removal/cantrips
golden bolt
you can also run like, [[consign to memory]] and [[tale's end]]
silk quailBOT
Instant
Replicate 
(When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Counter target triggered ability or colorless spell.
He wept not for what was, but what could never be.
supple jacinth
Exactly
golden bolt
god i wish i could get away with tale's end in marchesa
lilac perchBOT
Long May She Reign! :crown:
golden bolt
i probably can but the issue is mostly needing my counterspells to be able to easily target things in case i'm out of gas
genghis i need you to tell me you're not gonna fucking stiflenaut me
silk quailBOT
supple jacinth
Autocorrect got me there
supple jacinth
Its fine, I can be dastardly other ways
This may be a sort of self-cheating bad christmas deck
golden bolt
you're out here trying to be dasdardly and i am building the fairest deck that has ever existed
i am literally putting mother of runes in the deck it cannot be more fair
supple jacinth
[[!delusions of grandeur]] but I either give it away or stifle the ltb
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
they have been warned about zedruu
it was like the 2nd game i played with them they were like "what's the worst deck to play against in mtg" and i snap said zedruu
supple jacinth
Its either this or turbofog ngl
supple jacinth
Huggy
golden bolt
the children were not warned about turbofog i kept that in the back pocket
supple jacinth
This is b3, my rule is "dont overengineer,"
golden bolt
fair
silk quailBOT
supple jacinth
I can reliably stifle the game loss and life loss triggers, and donate it
golden bolt
I don't think it's a great idea but you're a human being with agency
supple jacinth
If I go all in, I can have 5 of the "life gain = card draw" effects in here
One is lich, which I can't donate
Well, not usually
Ill ruminate
golden bolt
i will warn you a little one of the players today (the one on Vannifar Evolved Enigma) was looking at putting eugene in the deck
like, 8 mana eugene
which i've heard interacts poorly with lich's mastery specifically
supple jacinth
[[!eugene]]
silk quailBOT
supple jacinth
Im drawing a blank on that one
golden bolt
[[Ugin the Spirit Dragon]]
silk quailBOT
supple jacinth
Oh Im dumb
golden bolt
eugene
golden bolt
fair enough
supple jacinth
God willing, every creature will be a french vanilla
golden bolt
Okay, so last night one of the players played the Breya loaner deck
and had natty thopsword and Esper Sentinel drew them into KCI
they did not know about thoptersword KCI combo though because they're very new
but if they did, the game ends pretty much immediately
I might need to find another artifact deck, because again with a pilot that knew what they were doing that's t4 infinite life, mana, and thopters
I think I need help.
fresh parcel
That's why I was concerned about that breya list
It was reading like it was a t4-t5 win deck
golden bolt
Yeah, same; I'm just figuring out what to replace it with.
I think [[Golbez Crystal]] might be good?
silk quailBOT
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Human
, Sacrifice an artifact: Bjorna, Nightfall Alchemist deals 1 damage to target creature. Goad that creature. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
Partner—Friends forever (You can have two commanders if both have this ability.)
1/3
golden bolt
I don't necessarily want to stay in 4 colors actually
fresh parcel
OK
golden bolt
I think that's kind of part of the issue
fresh parcel
I'm looking at artifact commanders from last year. Golbez is very cool but he sort of has a Yuriko issue from my pov
golden bolt
Yeah, that's a concern
He does make you run the things to drain people with, though, and unlike Yuriko they have to be creatures.
This is, again, not a problem because [[Tortured Existence]] is a real card they printed in like 1996 or whatever
silk quailBOT
Enchantment
, Discard a creature card: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
"There are terrors lurking in the unseen corners of us all." —Crovax
golden bolt
but still!
fresh parcel
He just cares about the creature's power he's just so open ended
Obviously he's not as fast because it's an end step trigger
But there's a reason they used the character as the reskin for Syr Konrad
[[lady octopus]] is cool but very combo oriented
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Scientist Villain
Whenever you draw your first or second card each turn, put an ingenuity counter on Lady Octopus.
: You may cast an artifact spell from your hand with mana value less than or equal to the number of ingenuity counters on Lady Octopus without paying its mana cost.
0/2
fresh parcel
[[infinite guideline]] is very cool but may be more work than your players want to do?
golden bolt
Thinking about this, I could just put Jaws as the deck for artifacts, actually
I have a full build that's functional and I know wins around the turns it needs to
midnight veldt
Thinking about this, I could just put Jaws as the deck for artifacts, actually
I'm beefing up Jaws's protection / unblockable suite
it's not protection but thoughts on [[!doc ock's tentacles]]?
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
I think that card's probably absolutely beyond acceptable
as you can urza's saga it into play and then cast jaws sometimes
fresh parcel
It's similar reasoning for me playing the hammer and you don't need tbe spell to equip it
So yeah, it's probably fine to good
storm bolt
I think that card's probably absolutely beyond acceptable
It ups the clock by a ton too
[[jaws predator]]?
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Shark
Trample, haste
Whenever Jaws deals combat damage to a player, create that many Blood tokens. (They're artifacts with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Whenever a noncreature artifact is sacrificed or destroyed, Jaws deals 1 damage to each opponent.
5/5
storm bolt
Yeah 5->9 is a big step up for no cost
golden bolt
that's actually pretty big, thanks
golden bolt
i should also grab you an invite to the league discord at some point
I gotta talk to Logan about possibly seeing if people wanna join up here
golden bolt
oh shit we might have 2 people on capitoline (genghis's is just in the 99 but still)
silent cedar
But Parhelion and Gix don't work I think, and Kiora, Solphim, and Cat Car are probably okay as well but maybe not as rock solid about
golden bolt
i think Gix is probably good for this actually, depending on how powered you have it
you know im also always a sucker for any deck with risen reef in it, too
silent cedar
here Ill post the list lol
this may just be because of some local mindsets and stuff, but Ive noticed that Gix in 3-pods gets drained out of the game
like the other two usually can hate on it enough that it can't slug well
so I usually only want it for when it would be a full pod
supple jacinth
oh shit we might have 2 people on capitoline (genghis's is just in the 99 but st...
Perfectly matched!
golden bolt
i think one thing with gix is you really gotta lean in on some real lifegain sources
silent cedar
https://moxfield.com/decks/mf_U4DrJ5EucKcnzR7gXbQ
https://moxfield.com/decks/xe0mWUXnOUChHuk_DaQH3A
https://moxfield.com/decks/B8SDVsEnIEaAldzfB5eUiQ
The other decks I have that I'd consider
silent cedar
i think one thing with gix is you really gotta lean in on some real lifegain sou...
maybe yeah
supple jacinth
I have been struggling to not make this deck into a t6 clock
But I figure if it gets close people just slot in more grave exile
silent cedar
6 pieces of lifegain in Gix, and one is the backside of Wandering Archaic
golden bolt
yeah, and the other people from elsewhere that are newer are playing with decks that are pretty versatile
supple jacinth
https://moxfield.com/decks/mf_U4DrJ5EucKcnzR7gXbQ
https://moxfield.com/decks/xe0...
Is that an Esika's Chariot deck?
golden bolt
one of them had a scrabbling claws the other night
silent cedar
Is that an Esika's Chariot deck?
damn right i tis
supple jacinth
Brb, diving in
golden bolt
Esika's might be actually really good
silent cedar
its the first vehicle list I brewed online when the change got announced, and its what catalysted me to make Parhelion
but Parhelion is seeking a slower experience than what yall are planning, despite the smothering tithe
supple jacinth
Fair
silent cedar
Cat Car, that deck could likely hang fine
supple jacinth
Ive been tempted to make that Death Shadow vehicle into a deck
supple jacinth
But its fragile enough to leave me itchy
I struggle against myself when [[!lich]] is involved
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
If you want a good metric, I've built 2 of the decks at the table I've been playing with right now and typically those games go long, like I believe we had a game monday (?) that went to turn 12
but people were attempting wins early
they just get handled and we keep going
supple jacinth
Ok
silent cedar
I do like games that go like 9-12 turns
even if they can end earlier
supple jacinth
Any examples that I should keep in mind as far as early wins?
golden bolt
I think the earliest win so far was Vannifar flipped 2 titans?
supple jacinth
If I dont have to feel bad about curving Konrad into Iname, I wont
silent cedar
like, if the range for turns we're thinking about is like 7-12 that's a good idea for what decks I should consider
silent cedar
like, if the range for turns we're thinking about is like 7-12 that's a good ide...
for example
silent cedar
thrulamog?
golden bolt
but that pretty much just outright won the game when it happened turn 6
golden bolt
i play storm right now but i don't think im staying on storm
i think im gonna actually be playing simic nonsense
supple jacinth
Funny thing is I feel like I have to actively slot in GC's here
silent cedar
I think Cat Car isn't winning on turn 6 unless it can just take some final chips at people
A lot of my decks are combat focused
golden bolt
[[tamiyo inquisitive]]
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
Flying
Whenever Tamiyo attacks, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
When you draw your third card in a turn, exile Tamiyo, then return her to the battlefield transformed under her owner's control.
0/3
Tamiyo, Seasoned Scholar
Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+2: Until your next turn, whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, it gets -1/-0 until end of turn.
−3: Return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand. If it's a green card, add one mana of any color.
−7: Draw cards equal to half the number of cards in your library, rounded up. You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size."
Loyalty: 2
golden bolt
i think
silent cedar
(so yes put the fogs in the decks lol)
supple jacinth
But I dont want the faster mana options since it pushes the risk of t6 wins from being an occasional lucky novelty to semireliable early on
golden bolt
yeah totally fair
and yeah storm if you end up on catcar you're probably going to be totally fine
supple jacinth
Im honestly thinking I just run the tutors since they do double duty of helping with answers after I iname and get interacted with correctly
golden bolt
for reference, and not so you can metagame, the people i brought in are on Vannifar Evolved Enigma, Omn4th, and whatever out of the deck library the third person chooses
supple jacinth
As they are effectively extra Triads pre 6
golden bolt
last time the one person played Breya but they also know i have to pick a different artifact deck for the library
supple jacinth
Imskir is cool
golden bolt
supple jacinth
Dirty what he did to Bosh tho
golden bolt
This is kinda what is going on rn
supple jacinth
Is that how many people are in the league??
golden bolt
I've basically scrapped a lot of my current work because it felt wrong
no
I'm trying to cut down on the number of things in the library to focus more on quality
those are potential things i will put in the library because a lot of things were power outliers
I need to finish a signup sheet today, I think for the first month here I'm just gonna use Google Forms
and do things using random.org or whatever
silent cedar
Esika's might be actually really good
so the goldfish Im doing has me casting both Beastmaster Ascension and Ezuri's Predation on turn 6 with 10 insects from Springheart Nantuko
golden bolt
i think that kills, yeah
silent cedar
despite also keeping a 1.5 lander (bala ged)
golden bolt
that's a t6 and t7 win attempt
silent cedar
I mean, so I attack and get the counters, then I predation
its definitely one of the faster kinds for this deck (and it assumes I haven't lost anything so far in the game)
golden bolt
i think it's very reasonable, and nothing wrong with that being the fastest way you're winning because i don't think omn4th is winning before turn 10
supple jacinth
Is it wrong that I kind of want to add a random Excruciator to this list?
Redefine Demon Time a little?
golden bolt
Doomsday Excruciator?
silent cedar
okay so Cat Car might be my pick, or at least it will be in contention
Kiora i love but that deck is a lot more durdly and a bit slower even at its faster pace
golden bolt
that'll require an answer for sure
supple jacinth
Thats the one
supple jacinth
I dont think Im going that far
golden bolt
what's the one that grabs a demon
supple jacinth
Ill be shortening my deck a ton with Iname
silent cedar
[[demonic counsel]]
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
Demonic Counsel
silent cedar
I did know it! holy shit
supple jacinth
Excruciator gives me a second plan if my yard gets nuked
Actually, I do have a fair couple demons (thanks kamigawa)
golden bolt
yeah
that's what im saying, i think demonic counsel actually does multiple-duty in a deck like that
especially if you're running excruciator
supple jacinth
Iname also does automatically set up delirium
golden bolt
creature, artifact, enchantment is free
supple jacinth
Instant
supple jacinth
[[!nameless inversion]]
silk quailBOT
supple jacinth
Its a removal slot card
Im happy with it
Yeah, excruciator and the tv tutor are in
golden bolt
hell yeah
supple jacinth
God Im going to cast that after someone feels clever with a Bojuka and its going to be like breaking open a bottle of wine
supple jacinth
Is there a given deckbuilding platform that works best for tabletop sim?
golden bolt
Moxfield or Archidekt
supple jacinth
Perfect
golden bolt
both work for the importer
supple jacinth
Im setting it up on my steam deck so this will be a little different than Ive been used to lol
golden bolt
ah ok! i assume you can still copy and paste a deck link
There is a table you use for this sort of thing, and it has an importer on it you can use to get your deck.
supple jacinth
I should be able to, I have to fiddle around with things a bit but it looks like the initial setup for the game is the hardest step
supple jacinth
Im docked so anything demanding a keyboard and mouse setup is doable
supple jacinth
Technically have VR too but the steam deck is not suited to handle that stuff without an external graphic card lol
golden bolt
i've heard TTS is great in VR but let me tell you
i dont think i would try it personally
haha
supple jacinth
I wish it was just native to the headset rather than a thing I have to stream through
Its not going to be how I manage things, at least
golden bolt
yeah fair
This needs 4 cuts, I really liked this one and I think this probably ends up as the artifact deck for the library
it's just Affinity for Artifacts in a way that makes you very aggressive and hard to handle
golden bolt
Done.
I think this is fine. In testing it's fast but it's not putting out the damage to kill someone before t6
storm bolt
Hey @golden bolt for Zoo, is there a color combo you prefer this to be locked to?
hoary sparrow
I mean I’m just a guy but fwiw when I think of Zoo I think of Naya
storm bolt
I mean I’m just a guy but fwiw when I think of Zoo I think of Naya
I agree, I just wanted to hear Pell’s thoughts since it would be geared towards them
More colors means more flexible but I’m down to figure it out either way. I could also think of domain zoo too
golden bolt
I actually don't care what colors I'm in as long as it's more than 1.
golden bolt
…
Look storm, when it comes to zoo, the point is having the most efficient creatures, and you typically don't get those in monocolor. That's all.
silent cedar
🤨
golden bolt
One of the things you'll see, over time, is that creatures that are multicolor cost less mana for their stats than ones that are monocolor, as sort of compensation for being "harder to cast"
silent cedar
🙄
golden bolt
yeah yeah eyeroll all you want storm 😛
silent cedar
storm bolt
Look storm, when it comes to zoo, the point is having the most efficient creatur...
I am cooking something up, but it’ll definitely need some cleaning up
storm bolt
https://moxfield.com/decks/Q4pHDAOxik-osNbDqLQw9Q
@golden bolt this is kinda what I got cooking right now - lemme know what you think. Slamming a ton of creatures mv<=3 that either grow over time or are huge for their cost. Might go slight ferocious subtheme since it seems to be leaning that way, but yeah.
I think some creature cost reducers would do a lot here too
I also went w saskia to make pushing damage twice as effective, or to get over pillow fort shenanigans
Deck definitely needs more draw and interaction
But that’s what I plan to tackle today
golden bolt
Interesting. It's not I'd had in mind myself but pretty cool so far!
storm bolt
I know you unfortunately can’t directly play the Kird Apes of the world, but I don’t feel like card inclusion matters as much as the vibe of the deck does
golden bolt
I was looking at making something nonred and using shit like [[ketramose]] and [[cosmogoyf]] along with various things.
hoary sparrow
https://moxfield.com/decks/Q4pHDAOxik-osNbDqLQw9Q
<@68916583912710144> this is ...
SASKIA LETS GOOO 🎉
hoary sparrow
I was looking at making something nonred and using shit like [[ketramose]] and [...
oh that's also spicy
golden bolt
just using cards that are horribly overstatted for their cost, get value for doing the thing you're already doing, etc.
and the reason for nonred is Psychic Frog and Thought Lash
storm bolt
I was looking at making something nonred and using shit like [[ketramose]] and [...
I definitely considered that too - my initial thought was running all the things that grow naturally as well, like [[sandman scoundrel]] constantly getting bigger (and on a 3 drop? Wtf). Ketramose was one I thought of for this deck too
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Sand Elemental Villain
Sandman's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
Sandman can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
: Return this card and target land card from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
*/*
storm bolt
and the reason for nonred is Psychic Frog and Thought Lash
So based. I shall return
I wanted to avoid 5 color at all costs ngl
storm bolt
No, but 5c just feels a bit like a copout for this. Not to mention the only 5c commander I’d even remotely consider for the deck is Jared Carthalion
golden bolt
Oh I have one I'd consider
golden bolt
[[Rukarumel]]
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
As Rukarumel enters, choose a creature type.
Slivers you control and nontoken creatures you control are the chosen type in addition to their other creature types. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.
, : Create a 1/1 colorless Sliver creature token.
3/3
golden bolt
Maybe not good enough though, I'd probably be better off with Atraxa or something.
golden bolt
Well, it was actually that I'd name Sliver
storm bolt
I see
golden bolt
and run some of the really annoying slivers
hoary sparrow
There's a tabernacle sliver, isn't there?
storm bolt
Lmao [[scarlet spider ben]] is actually a really fun one. I’m looking through all the mv<=3 creatures rn
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Web-slinging 
(You may cast this spell for if you also return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand.)
Trample
Sensational Save — If Scarlet Spider was cast using web-slinging, he enters with X +1/+1 counters on him, where X is the mana value of the returned creature.
4/3
golden bolt
There's a tabernacle sliver, isn't there?
Correct.
The ones I'd be most interested in, though, are [[Two-Headed Sliver]], [[Cloudshredder Sliver]], and [[Galerider Sliver]]
golden bolt
being able to give cheap, reliable boardwide evasion is pretty solid
but then if you're going even a little into slivers you might as well run Crystalline Sliver and Opaline Sliver
and then it kinda snowballs from there so like, maybe Rukarumel isn't the best option here
midnight veldt
I know you unfortunately can’t directly play the Kird Apes of the world, but I d...
You can if you're not a coward 🙂
storm bolt
Yeah, yeah
I am a coward unfortunately, because I like translating decks to functionally work in commander
Like I don’t run tarmogoyf in my jund midrange list. I do run barrowgoyf though
Though tarmogoyf probably fits well here too
Hmmm…. Pell, I wonder if we can cut white too and do some sultai shenanigans
It seems a lot of good beaters care about contents or size of graveyard
Could do Tymna//Kydele
If we did 4c
Lots of mana right away for more beaters
Which means I could cut ramp too…
golden bolt
unsure 
storm bolt
I would say muldrotha but I fell asleep halfway through suggesting it
Could do [[Kotis sibsig champion]], lets you rebuy your beaters later on
silk quailBOT
storm bolt
And is a beater themselves
golden bolt
i don't really like it personally but it's an option
Another 5C option is just like, Najeela?
Kinda depends on Warrior count.
storm bolt
I didn’t mean to make it like this, but here we are
Scope creep took me in a VERY different direction
golden bolt
i think this might not still be zoo but it is very aggressive if nothing else
what the fuck do you mean we have diamond weapon in here
also, i've never in my life read the text on [[stubborn burrowfiend]]
silk quailBOT
golden bolt
what the fuck do you mean this is randomly just a billion/billion for 2
it is very mothman coded
and im glad to see he is in here
storm bolt
what the fuck do you mean this is randomly just a billion/billion for 2
Yeah I was scryfall mining all cards that say mill on them and I was like “HUH???”
storm bolt
what the fuck do you mean we have diamond weapon in here
It’s a huge creature for 2, it also blocks really well
golden bolt
only thing i am worried about with this is that it is stone fucking dead to rest in peace
and pretty dead to leyline etc.
storm bolt
Yeah, that’s why the removal suite has a lot of ways to destroy those
Maybe I should add some counterspells
golden bolt
probably
storm bolt
Like the deck is literally “i will fill my yard and kill you because my yard is full” and it plans around that as much as possible
golden bolt
at least like, the ones that counter enchantments
storm bolt
Offer you can’t refuse and co
golden bolt
oh, and probably stuff to hit endurance
storm bolt
Definitely need to be the cheaper ones
golden bolt
can't really afford to get enduranced at any point in the game
storm bolt
True
golden bolt
very similar to meren
golden bolt
i know this is stupid, but is there a world where we run Cephalid Illusionist and a shuko or something
it is functionally an overrun for a lot of the creatures in the deck
storm bolt
That’s true, but i’m not a fan of combo myself
Also, I feel like some crucible of worlds effects are in order
golden bolt
probably
storm bolt
Making land drops is vital
golden bolt
also, and i know this is silly
but maybe nexus of fate
it's real easy to mill yourself out
and at minimum just always having 1 card in library is good, and at no cards in deck you just have every turn remaining?
storm bolt
Ooh. Twilight diviner
golden bolt
twilight diviner also good
ive never played a deck that could run altar of the wretched
i just dont play black decks with big dudes
storm bolt
Tbh it’s kind of insane in this deck
If you hit a boneyard wurm it’s just draw for gy, double your gy and eventually is a big ass beater on the backside
golden bolt
you could be [[hogaak]] ing
silk quailBOT
Legendary Creature — Avatar
You can't spend mana to cast this spell.
Convoke, delve (Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color. Each card you exile from your graveyard pays for .)
You may cast this card from your graveyard.
Trample
8/8
storm bolt
but maybe nexus of fate
I always love playing nexus of fate
golden bolt
golden bolt
the gaak gets altered and then you get the resources to recast him off of it
storm bolt
Sorry I’m gonna move to #1092547804079063191 i feel like I’m hijacking your thread now