#Rougesareth deck building
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Ayo?
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Do we want space for foundry inspector or etherium sculptor
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[[Apple of Eden]]
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Legendary Artifact
, Pay 4 life, Sacrifice Apple of Eden: Look at target opponent's hand and exile those cards face down. You may play those cards this turn, and mana of any type can be spent to cast them. Until end of turn, whenever you play a land or cast a spell this way, its owner draws a card. At the beginning of the next end step, return the exiled cards to their owner's hand. Activate only as a sorcery.
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I know it's 4 but it's fun
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Do we want space for foundry inspector or etherium sculptor
up to you, this is a crazy thing but you're in white so i actually like quickwelder over either of them
[[voyager quickwelder]]
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Artifact Creature — Robot Artificer
Artifact spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
The Guidelight Voyagers had been stranded on Avishkar with no way to get home. They considered every last unit essential, down to the glitchiest grunt.
2/4
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[[Apple of Eden]]
I like apple, but i think I need my cards more than their cards cause I have 4 card combos
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just depends on how much you care
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I do like quickwelder
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The one ring?
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it's in there
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The one ring is in
My GC's are ToR and the two free counters
I think that's right
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Is so nutty
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running a land that taps for nothing otherwise is ? but also like, maybe
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yeah this is PO
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I was originally more of a mix
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What's po?
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Paradoxical outcome
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[[paradoxical outcome]]
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which is less good when you're running enchantments than artifacts since artifacts frequently cost 0 and produce mana
(although it's in my estrid list)
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Its still good with enchantments, I just went a really heavy artifact build
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[[mirror made]]
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yep in there
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I could cut the pods and go more of a mix
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I have five VERY good enchantments
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Peacekeeper lol
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I like blind ob as a wincon
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Oh shit
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It helps a lot
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i do like the shorikai inclusion
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[[retreat to coralheim]] is another fun one
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obviously rouge's got TOR so that's more easily serached
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i think the sewer-veillance cam is like, still really good
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since it untaps on enter and leave
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It doesnt do artifacts sadly 🙁
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?
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[[sewer-veillance]]
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Artifact
Flash
When this artifact enters or leaves the battlefield, you may tap or untap target creature.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw two cards.
No one in New York was going to notice one more cockroach.
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Large sadness
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i was like "why are arcum players playing it then"
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[[fomori vault]]
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Land
: Add 
.
, , Discard a card: Look at the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of artifacts you control. Put one of those cards into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
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Kale and I went through this earlier, much heartbreak
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and then i realized it's because arcum
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Vault is great
Shorikai is probably good as well
It gives another 4 drop to tutor
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[[bucklby ferry]]
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[[oboro palace]]
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Legendary Land
: Add .
: Return Oboro to its owner's hand.
Here the soratami wove their endless plots—graceful, artful, and deceitful, while the unwitting world moved below.
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Yeah
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i really like transmutation font
i think that card's pretty good since you can pod the clue tokens into eggs
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Its the one I have in right now
I do like it too
And im only tutoring 5 drops in a grindy game anyways
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yeah, and font wins grindy games
imo
it is also a potential source of life, which sounds like nothing but you're very obviously a combo deck so people will hit you
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Im going back down to 33 lands you cant stop me MWAHAHAHAHA
You should probably stop me
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i think that's pretty bad in b3
going below 35 is like, death sentence level when you should expect to live 6 turns
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unsure
could just be solve
we're not winning with BSZ
wait did we add a win condition
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Enchantment
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay 
. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
Artifacts and creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
"By the time your knees have worn through your robe, you may have begun to learn your place."
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Solve?
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solve the equation
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good
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I kept it, I think its gonna be a turn 7
Oh
It was a turn 5
Now this is a hand
I wish I could run welder/engineer
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[[Scarecrone]] may be closest in azorius
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Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
, Sacrifice a Scarecrow: Draw a card.
, : Return target artifact creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Her poppets bring joy to the truly depraved.
1/2
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Beyond tameshi himself
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Seems decent
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It begins
We're going for [[barren glory]] combo, fleshing out the main line and working towards at least 1-2 secondary lines
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Goal oriented instead of bracket oriented deck, so ill direct it towards the right beacket after its revealed its inner nature
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i think the only artifacts you should really run are like, sol ring, kci, and zuran orb, at best, and even that seems kinda whatever
because saccing artifacts on something that can sac itself is the world's largest pain in the ass
[[grinding station]] i believe also works
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Artifact
, Sacrifice an artifact: Target player mills three cards.
Whenever an artifact enters, you may untap this artifact.
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yeah this one also works
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Yeah this is the one I want
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Goal oriented instead of bracket oriented deck, so ill direct it towards the ri...
Fuck yeah
More people should brew like this tbh
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Of this cycle
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Fuck yeah
More people should brew like this tbh
I often do!
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Same
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i think the only artifacts you should really run are like, sol ring, kci, and zu...
Agree hugely
Sol ring is not worth the headache I think maybe
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[[umbral collar zealot]] is creature or artifact right?
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Kci, LED, diamond lion, orb those are all on the table
Cause I dont want a secondary enabler for artifacts preferably
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Exactly
So I cant include an arti that doesn't self sac unless I chanfe my mind on enabler
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[[defiant salvager]]
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i know there's probably another one of these but
actually bad news there is not another one of these
unless you wanna pay 2 mana per for [[dockside chef]]
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Enchantment Creature — Human Citizen
, Sacrifice an artifact or creature: Draw a card.
The squirming is how you know it's fresh.
1/2
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which you might
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Well, classic move, I posted in my thread and immediately work picked up
I do suspect im going to want dockside chef
It hits the notes
Having the enchantment type is big
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Making some good headway, i think figuring out my secondary lines will help a lot
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Im about to launch this first rocket into space in factorio and then I should be able to make some more progress on this monstronsity
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I literally spent all weekend building trains instead of bad combo lmao
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I like trains
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I like trains
I like turtles
The trains are fun but daunting in factorio, so many pain points
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I have narrowed my mono green paper commander search down to i think either [[goreclaw]], [[legolas master archer]], or revisit [[yedora, grave]] with the goal of making my list more.more budget friendly
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Ayyyy
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Current front runner legolas. Goreclaw seems like the right archetype, but i dont exactly vibe with the design, a little too feast or famine.
My yedora list is currently 220 with no infinites, I would want to shave off at least 70 if not 100 from where its at
Goreclaw just feels like brainless mana cheating, which i get is green, but i like to work for my payoffs a bit
I think instead of building goreclaw ill just put more effort into eshki, same vibe but ive already built her
Or i could make Six B3 and WAY cheaper, six is awesome
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So apparently I am building Legolas with an Eldrazi theme
Thats what I am currently tinkering with, not sure whats up with that
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@hidden light @dusty charm any chance you two (and anyone else who wants to) could take a look at this list and give me your feedback, since youve both been in the artifact aggro space for a bit, and because I know kale in particular is a bit of an artifact specialist
The goal of the deck is to be able to present a fast over the top flying threat using a wide token board and cranial plating effects to make my commander big, while having the fallback plan of doing late game artifact durdles for value with the offspring ability.
I feel very short on card slots since I want some number (?) Of interaction, artifact engines, card draw, token generators, and equipment. Also im currently very unsure on rocks.
I think theres tons of sweet 1 power creature and artifact synergies I wish I was playing, im already over 200 considering cards, many of which are great.
TLDR I dont play artifacts enough, help
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Which list?
Thanks!
What are the goals for the list overall?
In terms of wincons
Like, yes, combo, no?
Preferred bracket?
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In terms of win cons its currently just beat down (my slots are so tight), but im open to over the top options, or an assemblage of engines going combo
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I see you have one etb doubler, which works well with offspring
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For bracket im usually not aiming for anything, I just focus on my theme and goals end see where it ends up. Ive got some powerful cards and stuff going on, so im sure its at least a 3, but if it ends up a no GC 4, or an aggressive 2 thats fine with me
Another goal is to stay around the 150$ price point, which ive found difficult, and im definitely open to buying on
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I don't love stoneforge. You really only have like, two targets I'd look for?
three, missed lion sash
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I like that its on curve and fetches an artifact at 1 power, but yeah I can see cutting it
I do like it a bit :p
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, destroy target permanent.
Equipped creature gets +3/+3.
Equip (:Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
Crafted from a fallen meteor, symbolizing the sudden change that wielding it brings.
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Just for a tutorable removal
Patchwork automata is fun but not great
Personal artifact pet card though, [[drafna, founder]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer Advisor
: Return target artifact you control to its owner's hand.
, : Copy target artifact spell you control. (The copy becomes a token.)
Alongside his wife, Hurkyl, Drafna built a legacy of scholarship that endured for millennia.
2/1
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[[genesis chamber]] has never played as well as it should unless I"m using an artifact tapper in the command zone
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One thing with Zinnia is that I've definitely found they need more mana than you'd think
So I won't suggest cutting cost reducers
[[losheel]] I'd heavily suggest
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Yeah. Cuts I'd suggest. Genesis chamber, patchwork automaton. Add Losheel.
Then either [[chrome dome]] or [[thopter fabricator]]
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Artifact Creature — Robot Ninja
Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+0.
: Create a token that's a copy of another target artifact you control. That token gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Broadcast: Seized. Initiate seek-and-destroy protocols."
1/3
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Maybe meteor sword for more removal
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I might include [[meteor sword]] with it
Good shout out for sure!
Sorry for the delay, got stuck training someone haha
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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/68/thopter-fabricator
This is a card i had in initially but feared it not proccing enough for me, having another token generator does feel good tho
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Yeah. Cuts I'd suggest. Genesis chamber, patchwork automaton. Add Losheel.
Chamber is probably a cut. Patchwork i think is just very cute being on curve both before and after Zinnia, and habing the token be identical to the original, but yeah its a little cute
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One thing with Zinnia is that I've definitely found they need more mana than you...
In testing i have found the mana requirements high as well, im super on the fence about the cost reducers for that reason, but they do feel a bit slow
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For reference, this is my Zinnia deck but it might be changed into a warp deck from birds. https://moxfield.com/decks/U9mZISPfYku4D4dATcbFeQ
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Warp is pretty compelling with Zinnia for sure
Chrome dome actually does seem on brand
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It's a 1/3 that boosts the others and makes token copies
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I have [[kykar, wind's fury]] in my list but you leaned a lot more heavily into creature artifacts for me to suggest it
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Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying.
Sacrifice a Spirit: Add 
.
"The raging gale fans the flames of righteous wrath."
3/3
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It seems to fill a similar ish slot to the 1/4 that makes a thopter when you make a token, but it being able to clone things like cost reducers end step is cool
What do you think of the cost reducers? I think I low key should cut all of them but the 1/2
Kykar could easily end up in the build, especially if I sub in more rocks and stuff like that
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For reference, this is my Zinnia deck but it might be changed into a warp deck f...
I remember this list, I think we talked about it a while ago as part of a xonversation on archetypes
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Yep
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[[losheel]] I'd heavily suggest
Losheel seemed sketchy to me because I cant offspring it, my commander is not an artifact, and because its only one card per turn, have you found it to play very well then? I havent actually played with it before
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It's 1 per turn but works on not your turn
Also I find the combat damage prevention for attacking artifact creatures helps
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Thats actually valid
Its pretty rare for it to function on all players turns
There are my cuts so far
Cutting down some of the clunkier stuff hopefullyh
Added chrome dome and thopter fabricator
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It also triggers on token creatures
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I am adding more rocks because I really do want more mana
And I think the downside of the myr is too high cosnidering i'm already worried about board wipes a bit
I'm really considering [[efficient construction]]
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I think I should play it
Also cards like [[jhoira of the ghitu]] im on the fence about
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
, Exile a nonland card from your hand: Put four time counters on the exiled card. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend. (At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste.)
2/2
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Or [[thopter spy network]]
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Thopter spy network might actually be solid here
I keep considering [[chromescale drake]] haha
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Creature — Drake
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Flying
When this creature enters, reveal the top three cards of your library. Put all artifact cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
3/4
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With the budget freed from cutting stoneforge I think [[illustrious wanderglyph]] is probably one of the better pieces of top end
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[[steel overseeer]] I feel like is actually probably clunky, but the dream is so sick
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Artifact Creature — Construct
: Put a +1/+1 counter on each artifact creature you control.
"The world is already run by all manner of machines. One day, they'll remind us of that fact." —Sargis Haz, artificer
1/1
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[[ethersword spinx]] I worry is a cascade card in a deck with counterspells. but its so on theme
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Got a turn 6 goldfish with an urza and a brudiclad, those are certainly cards lmao
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Yep!
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https://moxfield.com/decks/fpKjDUg6TE2_gaB4-CUXAw many updates, I think its looking cleaner
I keep considering [[arabella]]
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Here's my Koma WIP that im going to be working alongside Storm with
Okay i've started by adding a TON of 4 and 2 mana ramp effects, i'll leave them all in for now and prune back to a core as the deck develops
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Calling that a list for now, I may revisti soon, who knows
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[[Season of weaving]] seems fun
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Sorcery
Choose up to five 
worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Draw a card.
— Choose an artifact or creature you control. Create a token that's a copy of it.
— Return each nonland, nontoken permanent to its owner's hand.
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Yeah I like all the seasons
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https://moxfield.com/decks/zyj6ibnrJU-6N06lwwWFEA @hidden light Do you think you could give a quick peaksie, since I know you're a bird enjoyer?
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[[Stirring Hopesinger]] is a great card but you have few ways of using it
Yeah, I just have 7~ single target instants ATM. Its probably a bit loose
I cut it, i'm already off 3 mana anthems, a conditional one is rough, even with the upside of being a bird
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Legendary Creature — Bird Advisor
Flying
: You may cast target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard this turn. If that spell doesn't target a creature you control, it costs 
more to cast this way. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. Activate only once each turn. (You still pay the spell's costs. Timing rules for the spell still apply.)
2/3
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But it's basically all removal
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Yeah
Its almost worth a bit of a pivot
Mavinda is cool
Do you think im missing anything else notable?
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Creature — Angel
Flying
When this creature enters, search your library for a basic Plains card or a creature card with mana value 1 or less, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Warp 
(You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
3/2
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It's the one relevant to your deck
Comparatively
Hope of ghirapur was just there right?
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Yeah, im wobbling on it, but its probably going back in
I have a considering board
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Legendary Creature — Bison Ally
Flash
Flying
When Appa enters, airbend any number of other target nonland permanents you control. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, create a 1/1 white Ally creature token.
3/4
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As board protection and on theme for momo
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Creature — Angel Cleric
Flash
Flying
When this creature enters, you may exile any number of non-Angel creatures you control until this creature leaves the battlefield.
Foretell
3/4
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[[Airbender ascension]]
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Is this good for me?
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I'm thinking.
No, I was thinking it might be but not enough etbs
It resets paragon exile clause
And more rocs
But that's not enough
Sorry, on subway now
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All good, I think I have a weirdly low amount of ETBs
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[[Emeria angel]] brain got there
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Or [[island sanctuary]] but you skip card draw with it
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true though
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I have an 80% chance of seeing a single tempest hawk in my opening, am guaranteed to be able to play it on 2, and they tutor for more hawks. I don't think having more hawks does anything than make me more resilient to removal, so this could actually be cool
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@vital wing it has begun https://moxfield.com/decks/dYGKbdJjsU-uNiCIfy29vA
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Hmm, Roxanne stax, hmmm
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The tokens give you things to tap or sacrifice
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The tokens give you things to tap or sacrifice
Exactly
She helps maximize and give you resources in a stax big red shell
I would prefer to stay B3, so I will probably lean more on slug
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[[mechanized warfare]] might be worth it
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It bumps up the meteor damage as well as the artifact/creature etb
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I was thinking about this one specifically, cause its a 50% increase in output for 3 mana, which is a similar rate to most doubles and is easier on the mana
3 is a decent breakpoint too
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Yeah, it means it gets out before her, etc.
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Im going to try it
Usually cards that dont operate in a void i dislike in these strategies, but this is so cute too
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It's a card I like more in some decks than others.
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I wish tangle wire wasnt 20
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O_o
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[[$tangle wire]]
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V1 with 100 cards, I feel like im probably at least 20 off my endpoint, but its a good start https://moxfield.com/decks/dYGKbdJjsU-uNiCIfy29vA