#Y'shtola Communal Brewing
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
You could also go the otherway with [[Archmage of Runes]]
surreal shoalBOT
Creature — Giant Wizard
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, draw a card.
He's so intent on his study that others think him frozen in place.
3/6
soft peak
true that would probably fit better too
desert sequoia
Also, consider [[Alela, Cunning]] if you're playing UM ACKSHUALLY
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
(by which I mean "payoff on cast on opponent's turn")
soft peak
That is an interesting idea
I dont think my deck is controlley enough for that tho
Wants to save mana and cast mostly on end step just before my turn (not once per opponents turn)
Maybe I should fork my deck and fully commit to that
I got stuff like Fandaniel and Liesa and Talion which are great but kinda do their own thing
soft peak
Tho its been worth having them as alt threats i guess
elder mountain
What are your preferred cards for protecting Y'shtola? I currently run Flawless Maneuver, Teferi's Protection, and Dawn's Truce. My counterspell suite is Force of Will, Fierce Guardianship, Undermine, Swan Song and An Offer.
lusty igloo
What are your preferred cards for protecting Y'shtola? I currently run Flawless ...
wwhat bracket is this
elder mountain
My groups play at a high 3/low 4. Nothing is off the table, really.
lusty igloo
My groups play at a high 3/low 4. Nothing is off the table, really.
i'd probably add restoration magic, misdirection, force of negation, spellskite, and pact of negation
and drop tpro
elder mountain
Ooh, Spellskite is a good idea.
soft peak
What are your preferred cards for protecting Y'shtola? I currently run Flawless ...
[[March of Swirling Mist]] is really nice
surreal shoalBOT
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs 
less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)
proven bone
What do y'all Y'shtola players run for wincons, particularly in a more control oriented build?
wide quiver
Yshtola is the wincon
wide quiver
Yshtola burns the table
fervent burrow
She is usually a slow burn rather than all at once but [[torment of hailfire]] should be solid
surreal shoalBOT
fervent burrow
But also having 2/3 Yshtolas out and casting 2/3 spells ends the game quick but its all cumulative
desert sequoia
You can also non-deterministically storm with Omniscience, use [[Tainted Strike]] effects to Infect W or just Thoracle.
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west cedar
So i tried gra ha tia but I feel like yshtola could be more fun
So.gonna go back to her and keep the precin for now just gonna have to upgrade it a bit
With maybe some.of my.own rl cards for now
west cedar
i need help with buidlign my yshtoll;a
i jus tadded fewcrads fro medhrec but not sure if its any sinergy or jsut random cards i am adding
shouldi cut kryle
west cedar
hi lang so i want back to yshtolal for the dek not sure how good it is now tohugh
sthill pretty much preoc njsut with minor upgrades
and tweaks
wat you guys think take a look and mayeb some sugegsiton on what to cut and keep
i know its still mainyl preocn jsut some minor tweaks
west cedar
Anyone able to tske a pick at my yshtola
When possible I build it last night and played it only twice today but in my last game one of the players looked at my dec list and said I have to much removal
So the quais9nniz does my yhstola decknhave a solid base
Or should I just rebuild it the precon
And then watch a budget upgrade video
Bandaid those cards amd cut the ones they sugget
Suggest
west cedar
so this is my yshtoll s ofar sh=had 22 removla that incudes counter spells andsuch
but cut to 13
is 13 ok with her and shpuldi add different spells forn it
i coudl check out a quik decj tech video that suggests 10 cards to use for hjer
soft peak
its all preference
we cant tell you what's right or wrong
13 is fine if that feels right to you
22 would be fine too
west cedar
its all preference
am djsutig nthe deck a little bit right now
so what woudl be some suggesioins you woudl suggest
wtchig na decxh tech short
that suggests 10 cards for her
soft peak
I took a glance and the 2 soul sisters and brainstorm jump out as odd cards to include, dont really synergise well with the deck
Other than that it looks fine
west cedar
ok
yeah i think i wil ltkae the life gain out
the osul sisterst its better for a lifelink deckj
i am goig nfor the drain strategy lol
so isntant and sorcieries
and aot of cards that cause players to lose life
to trigge yshtolal more
sanguien bond is good for the deck ri ght
to have soem way to end gams
soft peak
Yeah its a fine card
west cedar
ok
thanks
the way i buld this dejc is usedthe rpeocn
ad jsut upgrading it
a litl bit its eaiser for me
then building from scrtach
if that makes sense
does watchig nyoutube shorts help with idea on how to buidl decks
if i atch deck tech shorts
soft peak
playing your deck and thinking about how each card is working in your deck is the best way
youtube etc can help you learn about new cards to consider but playing and thinking is primary way
west cedar
yeah i tohught so
i mostly been usig nedhrec
for soem card suggestioins
amnd been browsing this treads to
for some suggestions
that could work
soft peak
I also sometimes just look at random decklists for the commander on moxfield
sometimes there are some really unique cards people find
west cedar
true
migh tdo that to
but nbeed to pla yt he deck mroe
only did it 3 timess ofar
and iam new to spellsligner strtaegy
but something new to try
fom my other strategiesi play
i think disallow ould work to
it coutners spell or trigegreds abiltiies
or activated ones
soft peak
yeah its good
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
I dont know that you have enough instants in your deck
for her to be great
again though
west cedar
true
soft peak
you just need to play the deck more
soft peak
youll figure out which cards feel great and which don't just by playing
west cedar
without casting it
i see
yeha only 12 isntants
whihc ight not be neig h for yhsolla deck
but the nagain it any noncreature spell
sop artficats and soercieres and echantments cout nto
soft peak
whihc ight not be neig h for yhsolla deck
its fine
its just preference like I said
many people play her heavy at sorcery speed
west cedar
i see
this is wat it lookig like rightnow
maybe i should add soem more protecino for her
cause atm i dotn hgave much for her
west cedar
i thk i mgith be running to much creatures and artifcatcs and not eniugh instants or sorceires
this is what it looks liek right nopw
west cedar
Is it on or should I ad dmore instant and sorceries
soft peak
artifacts are fine theyre still non-creature, still trigger yshtola
creautre count is okay, I run 16 as well
winter dome
i thk i mgith be running to much creatures and artifcatcs and not eniugh instan...
the artifacts are fine, 16 creatures is way too many, 11 enchantments is pretty high
lusty igloo
the artifacts are fine, 16 creatures is way too many, 11 enchantments is pretty ...
11 is not too high in echantmnets
she's lowkey an enchantress
i run these
winter dome
I’m only running 4
winter dome
Also every time I've played against a Yshtola deck that was on the ophidian package, someone has removed yshtola in response, and the player was effectively out of the game
lusty igloo
Also every time I've played against a Yshtola deck that was on the ophidian pack...
u have to run backups
hence stuff like rhystic, trouble in pairs, etc
my deck was like that too, a good y'shtola deck does not need y'shtola
mine is still more y'shtola reliant than it should be but it's won pletny without her. i just dont want to go tooooo godstuffy, and it'll end up in b4 (which it probably alr is)
winter dome
I'm not on them, Yshtola's my kill con, but I just pass with mana up and cast draw spells and interaction, plus I don't run a lot of the "don't hit me" stuff because I'll lose 4 life to draw a card, I'll get the life back
plus I'm on 15 spells that either cost reduce themself or can be cast for no mana
west cedar
as for mine i dont know yet
lusty igloo
I'm not on them, Yshtola's my kill con, but I just pass with mana up and cast dr...
when the table is sweaty and if there is a politcer that recognizes y'shtola is KOS, no amount of interaction will save her
the less good tables tend to only try to kill her after critical mass
when it's too late
winter dome
I mean people who know aren't gonna instantly remove yshtola, for one, if they are running the curiosity package you get to really screw them when they go for it
soft peak
Also every time I've played against a Yshtola deck that was on the ophidian pack...
Timing matters a lot
And backups is good
Love putting curiosity on papalymo or a pinger wizard
Also i think 16 creatures is okay
If they all serve important purpose
Cost reduction, draw engines, damage, whatever
winter dome
Alisaie and alphinaud are not doing much for the deck
soft peak
My deck
16 creature
7 sorc
31 instants
13 artifact
3 enchantment
36 land incl enchantments
40 card that proc yshtola
soft peak
Alisaie and alphinaud are not doing much for the deck
The djinn felt out of place as well
winter dome
I'm on 1 PW, 8 creatures, 13 sorceries, 30 instants, 14 artifacts, 4 enchantments and 29 lands
soft peak
But still i really want to encourage this guy to play the deck
With yshtola u can go in circles forever but wont know where to land if youve only played the deck 3 times
winter dome
haughty djinn is fine, although I would cut a lot of the triple pip 3 drops
soft peak
Similar decks i just run a few more value engines and u run a few more sorcs
This mine
winter dome
also fandaniel, while doing something somewhat related to what yshtola wants to do, doesn't actually help yshtola, since by the time fandaniel's ability resolves, yshtola will already have needed to see 4 damage
soft peak
Is that true? Dont you get to order the triggers
I havent run into this cus fandaniel hits for 20+ and gg or something is sacced lol
winter dome
both are beginning of end step triggers, yshtola is an intervening if, if the condition hasn't been met the ability doesn't go on the stack
soft peak
I see
lusty igloo
I mean people who know aren't gonna instantly remove yshtola, for one, if they a...
not in my experience
west cedar
I am debating whether to make my rl yshtola deck back to precon state
Since I dotn own alot of the cards i have in archideckt
For now
With some adjustments from my collecion
But rl collecion
Or if not full precon but add some of my own cards to help the deck work while I order the others
Eventually
Do you guys think my physical deck for yshtola should I reset to defaulr
Precon state
And jsut replace the cards that dont work with the deck kn my colecio
west cedar
is into the stor ya good cut?
winter dome
Probably people who don’t run removal thinking that anything that punishes them for that is too strong
lusty igloo
It’s b2
A multiple curiositied yshtola that moves into spellslinger and solitary is easily banned from the bracket
west cedar
Probably people who don’t run removal thinking that anything that punishes them ...
Probably
west cedar
It’s b2
Any advice on what I could swap in it. Bit to make it more spellslinger or is it pretty good solid base
Sp is my yshtola a spellslinger or what type of deck is it
And its strategy
Wat I have right now
lusty igloo
uhhh ask me in a few days
west cedar
ok
i need ot play mroe of it but had a goodboard state yesterday in my
game
i had yhstolla out
vito
the brd that makes my spells chepaper
and like 5 artifacts
sacred galleon
Folks, I’m working on a faerie goad curse deck, and I’m wondering if anyone had suggestions for my last 20ish cuts: https://archidekt.com/decks/18129248/fairy_curses_goad_shtoler
the idea is to not have shtoler be so necessary to the game plan and just bring her out once I have enough goad/faeries to ensure a full cycle of draws, whereas the curses provide some amount of disruption/value post-shtoler.
I’m aware the curses are probably the weakest part of the deck, but ever since playing lynde I’ve loved them and would like to see about making the “warlock” in shtolers type line really feel meaningful so I’m averse to cutting too much of it
(I would also love to play a non-control shtola because while I do love control I already have a few, including a shtola control list that’s pinned here already and I wanted to branch out and explore an enchantress theme for her)
sacred galleon
Update: I've cut the deck down to just Faeries and Goad. Still leaning fairly enchantress, but I've decided despite how cool the white curses are, that if I want to play curses, I'm better off just playing my dedicated curse deck
urban haven
thoughts about adding some artifact lands (namely [[darksteel citadel]] and the 2 color indestructible bridges, example: [[razortide bridge]] ) to increase total artifact count and running [[metalurgic summonings]]
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact Land
Indestructible
: Add 
.
Structures built from darksteel yield to neither assault nor age.
Artifact Land
This land enters tapped.
Indestructible
: Add 
or 
.
The path to unity is forged in understanding.
Enchantment
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create an X/X colorless Construct artifact creature token, where X is that spell's mana value.
, Exile this enchantment: Return all instant and sorcery cards from your graveyard to your hand. Activate only if you control six or more artifacts.
winter dome
thoughts about adding some artifact lands (namely [[darksteel citadel]] and the ...
I mean metallurgic summoning is fine in lower brackets, but the artifact lands aren’t doing anything
urban haven
they are there just to be indestructible and count toward's metallurgic's 6+ artifact requirement
winter dome
By the time you’re gonna be using metallurgic summoning’s activated ability, you’ll naturally have 6 artifacts
lusty igloo
they are there just to be indestructible and count toward's metallurgic's 6+ art...
the indestructabilit of lands rly odesnt matter mld is banned lol
i owuld say no on all
unless ur dong artifact theme and not spellslinger control
urban haven
the indestructable is just so they dont get taken out by destroy artifact spells/wipes
winter dome
Not worth it
west cedar
so what woud lyouguys say o nthis yshtolal deck to muhc counter or control
itsm y upgeaded precon iwas working on
i feel like the deck has pretty good base
or maybe to much removal
let me know and would take any suggestions to improve the base of the deck a bit or should I cut some removal or is this how i should be playing yshstolla
lusty igloo
the typo god strikes again
wide quiver
I cannot
lusty igloo
i would take out sanguine bond lines. more free spells. i think trouble in pairs is a GC in disguise
west cedar
huh
oh you mean sanguine bond
and vito
and since i dont have this physical cards yet i di a bit different for my physical deck
i jsut added what i had in my colelcion
[[trapped in the screen]]
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment
Ward (Whenever this enchantment becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
When this enchantment enters, exile target artifact, creature, or enchantment an opponent controls until this enchantment leaves the battlefield.
Maggie had always wanted to be on television.
west cedar
[[sanguine bond]]
surreal shoalBOT
west cedar
[[combat research]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card."
As long as enchanted creature is legendary, it gets +1/+1 and has ward . (Whenever enchanted creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
west cedar
[[professor onyx]]
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west cedar
[[vona butcher of magan]]
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Knight
Vigilance, lifelink
, Pay 7 life: Destroy target nonland permanent. Activate only during your turn.
"For four hundred years, I have led armies of conquest. These lands hold nothing that can stand against me."
4/4
west cedar
[[ghostly prison]]
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"May the memory of our fallen heroes ensnare the violent hearts of lesser men." —Great Threshold of Monserkat inscription
west cedar
[[haughty fjinn]]
surreal shoalBOT
Creature — Djinn
Flying
Haughty Djinn's power is equal to the number of instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
"I adore your outfit. It's so . . . rustic."
*/4
west cedar
[[syncopate]]
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Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays 
. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
"Your eyes, they burn with resolve . . . beautiful."
west cedar
[[tragic arrogance]]
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west cedar
[[whispersilk cloak]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature can't be blocked and has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equip
Such cloaks are in high demand both by assassins and by those who fear them.
west cedar
[[winds of abandon]]
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Sorcery
Exile target creature you don't control. For each creature exiled this way, its controller searches their library for a basic land card. Those players put those cards onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Overload 
(You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
west cedar
[[the wind crystal]]
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Legendary Artifact
White spells you cast cost less to cast.
If you would gain life, you gain twice that much life instead.
, : Creatures you control gain flying and lifelink until end of turn.
"I give unto you the last of my light, and with it, the last hope of a fading world."
west cedar
[[arcane denial]]
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west cedar
[[read the bones]]
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west cedar
[[high fae negotiator]]
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west cedar
[[ronna sheoldreds faithful]]
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west cedar
anyway not gonna go in all the details
but yeah htis are cards i added in my rl deck
not sure how good they are for yshtolla tohugh
[[halo forager]]
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Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
When this creature enters, you may pay . When you do, you may cast target instant or sorcery card with mana value X from a graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
3/1
west cedar
its just some i added what you guys think
before i buy physicals i want to kind of make the digital deck balanced and have yshtolla do what she and the deck should]]
urban haven
would [[massacre]] be worth running? potential free trigger
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lusty igloo
it doesnt look that bad tbh
fervent burrow
Meta call, not an instant which sucks but its likely playable.
wide quiver
I would've liked it more as an instant, and it sucks as a boardwipe, so I wouldn't run it.
But it's also free sometimes
proven bone
so what woud lyouguys say o nthis yshtolal deck to muhc counter or control
can I ask.... do you type like this on purpose?
urban haven
can I ask.... do you type like this on purpose?
considering they can type the card names perfectly for the bot to pull it up, yes
west cedar
Hi guys
west cedar
can I ask.... do you type like this on purpose?
I try not to but I type so fast that I make mistakes and never double check and just send it
harsh torrent
Add in [[Norn's Annex]]
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
urban haven
Im actually gonna pick that up, lol. Procs the health loss and mana cost requirements as well. (Just ignore that i already have [[propaganda]] and [[ghostly prison]]
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"The cost of your opposition will be extracted from your wits." —Nekusar, the Mindrazer
Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"May the memory of our fallen heroes ensnare the violent hearts of lesser men." —Great Threshold of Monserkat inscription
urban haven
would [[teferi's ageless insight]] or [[Vnwxt, Verbose Host]] be worth running to increase the card draw on y'shtola procs
fervent burrow
I like Teferi's Ageless Insight. I'm not sold on Vnwxt just because that's likely going to take 3+ turns to come online and, well, that's just a lot to build up with. I run one or two max hand sizes, but it hasn't come up too often for me to worry about it on a creature
wide quiver
I like vnwxt much less without other ways of triggering it very easily too
winter cipher
Vnwxt is a card you include because you want as many speed cards as you can
wide quiver
I both like and hate speed
I like it because I like rewards for dealing damage, but I hate it because you are required to run as many as you can if you actually want to utilize it.
lusty igloo
Im actually gonna pick that up, lol. Procs the health loss and mana cost require...
solitary confinement usually puts in the most work
lusty igloo
would [[teferi's ageless insight]] or [[Vnwxt, Verbose Host]] be worth running t...
on y'shtolas procs no... a trigger doubler or a yshtola clone does that except it also does more dmg, lifegain, and makes eot trigger 1 spell instead of 2
if ur looking to boost other draw engines too like esper, rhystic, tip, wang shi etc, then maybe
urban haven
on y'shtolas procs no... a trigger doubler or a yshtola clone does that except i...
i mean, if you want to send me the 50-70$ that each of those cards cost, then sure
lusty igloo
i mean, if you want to send me the 50-70$ that each of those cards cost, then su...
If you don't have alternative draw engines don't consider teferis it's generally winmore
soft peak
Maybe in a group slug deck where the 4 life dmg will happen consistently its playable as well
elder mountain
I like [[Insight Engine]] as an aight One Ring replacement.
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Artifact
, : Put a charge counter on this artifact, then draw a card for each charge counter on it.
With each iteration, the database grows closer to original thought.
elder mountain
As a budget draw engine
lusty igloo
As a budget draw engine
[[insight]]
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soft peak
I feel like yshtola doesnt need insight engine unless you have a really weird build and aren't running curiosity package
theres a lot of better engines that synergize with what she wants to do more
west cedar
Hey guys whay you.think of the cards i added for my current rl physical yshtolla decl
Posted the cards I added a few days ago
Cause atm I dont have all the key cards like Vito in my rl collecion
urban haven
^
soft peak
potent charm
they trigger her drain off of ANYTHING
then ramp and its triggers drain
they counter something and it triggers drain
they kill something it triggers drain
its also the persons only deck
west cedar
is [[ghsotly prison]]
surreal shoalBOT
Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"May the memory of our fallen heroes ensnare the violent hearts of lesser men." —Great Threshold of Monserkat inscription
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Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"The cost of your opposition will be extracted from your wits." —Nekusar, the Mindrazer
west cedar
casue this are soem cards i added fromn what i had in my l colelcion atm
[[press the enemy]],[[ephemeral shields]],[[syncopate]],[[high fae negotiator]]
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Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Target creature gains indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays . If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
"Your eyes, they burn with resolve . . . beautiful."
west cedar
and [[vona butcher of magan]]
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Knight
Vigilance, lifelink
, Pay 7 life: Destroy target nonland permanent. Activate only during your turn.
"For four hundred years, I have led armies of conquest. These lands hold nothing that can stand against me."
4/4
near birch
its also the persons only deck
Hey this is a Y'shtola appreciation thread! (Jk)
I got an awesome Inkshield win last night! :]
west cedar
nice
i am jst tryig nt ofind 6 cards i can sue for now
in my deck til li order the onesi need
so been scrolling thorugh my colelcion
potent charm
Hey this is a Y'shtola appreciation thread! (Jk)
i apreacate that the person showed me how much i hate her
near birch
Lol
west cedar
any suggestions if this crads are good or no for my yhstolla
lusty igloo
good to use in my yhsotlla
Yes
Even playing them both in the same game isn't bad lol
west cedar
Yes
i see
and wat you thin kof the other ones i listed
its what i have in my physical deck right now
sicne ididnt order i nthe cards i have on digital deck
yet
but trying to fidn thgng that could help me in my colelcioin
case i got cards from jounry into the nyx t all the way up final fantasy
sets
but skipepd a few sets
soft peak
its also the persons only deck
have u tried gaining life
potent charm
have u tried gaining life
i wont add cards where their only purpose is to gain me life in a deck where lifegain is not the main focus
soft peak
then continue to lose to burn
potent charm
if it has lifegain IN ADDITION to another effect i want ill add it
i know its a bad card but [[vensers journal]] is an example
surreal shoalBOT
potent charm
it gives no max hand size and gains me life
soft peak
Someone in my pod runs that. Quite effective vs yshtola
potent charm
have u tried gaining life
also he gives ystola infect
a lot
and dont say then remove the infect becuase he obviusly has things to give hexproof or counterspells almost always
potent charm
Someone in my pod runs that. Quite effective vs yshtola
i was told to cut it from a deck as apparently its bad
more like advised
compact vine
Finally got my Fated Clash!
urban haven
Would [[codsworth]] be worth running for an enchantress deck?
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
Commanders you control have ward .
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast Aura and/or Equipment spells.
: Attach target Aura or Equipment you control to target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Proud to serve!"
2/3
near birch
Would [[codsworth]] be worth running for an enchantress deck?
If your focus is based on auras, yeah that seems pretty good.
west cedar
hey guys its me again
how is everyones yshtolal deck cming along
i need advice is there any cards that coudl work with yshtola lisnead of havign so much coutner spells in it
cause right now ihave a little to much
,maybe i ocpudl cut the mdown to 10 or 12 removal
and try different cards for thedeck
i posted htis dek before wil lrpost it
any sugegstions which removla orocutners i could repalce with betetr cards for her deck
and triggers
instead of so muc hremoval
i am jsut struglidn wit decions which are the primaryremovla i should keep and wchih should i repalce wit hdifferent cards
i m ging spellslgner route
well tyring to
buti keep comig nback to so much removal
because as it is right now i am at 19 rmeoval
west cedar
so hey guys sorry to bother you ut this deck ehre is my physicla yshtola deck not the one i posted yesterday but this one
this one is my rl one
dont have some of the cards my digital deck has yet sadly
So take a look and let me know
i feel lie kit might be kind of bad
west cedar
Wat you all think
fervent burrow
I really dont have time at the moment to go through it all, but what do you want out of it? Are you trying to keep in B2 or move up to B4? Do you have a budget for upgrades and such? To me the deck won't be great, but thats because mine is a B4 with 90% of the precon removed. We need some more context on what you want out of it beyond "if its bad"
west cedar
want ot keep it b2
west cedar
I really dont have time at the moment to go through it all, but what do you want...
want ot kepe b2 ugpraded
but have two versionso f the dfek the first oen wch i made digital
and the second one whic his what i was bale to do with my rl collecxion
jsut b2 upgraded precon
i dont play heavily competitvee
and already have a digitla upgradeds version of my precon whci hs just called yshtolla
with uprade in already
while my second ne which is physical bw2 atn with soem upgradede i foudn in my colelcion
tryig nt ogo spellslinger strategy
thats why ihave alot of instants and sorcceries nd artifactas and echnatmanmnets whsome creatures
hope that helps
lusty igloo
[[deathrite shaman]] this card probably gets played in high power in yshtola
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Creature — Elf Shaman
: Exile target land card from a graveyard. Add one mana of any color.
, : Exile target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard. Each opponent loses 2 life.
, : Exile target creature card from a graveyard. You gain 2 life.
1/2
daring oriole
if we're talking hybrid mana.. i've always dreamed of [[Jetsam]]
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Instant
Mill three cards. Investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Jetsam 
Sorcery
Each opponent mills three cards, then you may cast a spell from each opponent's graveyard without paying its mana cost. If a spell cast this way would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
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[Put a dollar in the jar.](#general message) :point_right::jar:
desert sequoia
[[deathrite shaman]] this card probably gets played in high power in yshtola
Lol
potent charm
i might wanna get the yshtola precon actually
i need to know how the one guy at my mtg club feels everytime he sits down to play and makes the game alloying for everyone else
though i aready have a final fantasy precon so i already know how strong they are
lusty igloo
though i aready have a final fantasy precon so i already know how strong they ar...
Yshtola precon is weak
potent charm
Yshtola precon is weak
a final fantasy precon?
weak?
they are some of the most busted precons ive played against
i also have the tidus precon and thats amazing
ive also went up against a slightly edited yshtola and it was by no means weak
wasnt even anything too strong, just a lifelink equipment and a stax peice
lusty igloo
a final fantasy precon?
it is generally considered a weak precon
potent charm
it is generally considered a weak precon
ok is it unplayable or just weaker then average but still ok?
lusty igloo
ok is it unplayable or just weaker then average but still ok?
second
generally it's a FF fan precon
lots of FF cards
with no synergy
wide quiver
"no" is just wrong
but it's fairly easy to upgrade to include more protection for yshtola and eliminate some of the weaker cards
maiden widget
potent charm
with no synergy
i mean isnt y'shtola just cast noncreature spells and drain opponents
elder mountain
Right, the pre-con has too many creatures. It's pulling in both "cast noncreature spells" and "Go wide with tokens/creatures" and so it's diluted in both strats.
It's not abysmal but it isn't as focused as it could be.
wide quiver
This
potent charm
Right, the pre-con has too many creatures. It's pulling in both "cast noncreatur...
ah
isnt there noncreature spells that have triggers when you cast noncreature spells in esper
elder mountain
You mean creatures that trigger?
For Non-creature, there's my jam, [[Shark Typhoon]]
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Enchantment
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying, where X is that spell's mana value.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle this card, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying.
urban haven
Im using [[metalurgic summons]] which is similar
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Enchantment
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create an X/X colorless Construct artifact creature token, where X is that spell's mana value.
, Exile this enchantment: Return all instant and sorcery cards from your graveyard to your hand. Activate only if you control six or more artifacts.
urban haven
Similar but different, its instants and sorceries, but they are not flying. But it gives the chance to exile itself to return all instants and sorceries from your graveyard back to your hand
daring oriole
For those running farewell, have yall swapped it out for anything?
wide quiver
I like quite a few board wipes over it
[[slaughter the strong]] [[starfall invocation]] [[promise of loyalty]]
urban haven
[[tendrils of agony]] a good pick? would trigger both parts of y'shtola, plus comes with storm if you had cost reducers and cast other spells
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urban haven
(stupid question, storm doesnt trigger y'shtola multiple times right?)
urban haven
(stupid question, storm doesnt trigger y'shtola multiple times right?)
going to assume not since the storm copies arent 'cast'
urban haven
also debating [[tainted sigil]] and [[mask of riddles]] because even more lifegain and card draw
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Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: You gain life equal to the total life lost by all players this turn. (Damage causes loss of life.)
Sigils corrupted by outsiders do not lose their power, only their purity.
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has fear. (It can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may draw a card.
Equip
daring oriole
you're better off with [[basilisk collar]] if that's the route youre going for
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch and lifelink. (Any amount of damage it deals to a creature is enough to destroy it. Damage dealt by this creature also causes you to gain that much life.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
daring oriole
mask of riddles would only trigger off combat damage, not on her effect trigger
for tendrils of agony we dont play enough spells on our turn to really storm off, at least from my experience. i'd run [[risky shortcut]] in place of that
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urban haven
already running that
near birch
For those running farewell, have yall swapped it out for anything?
farewell became the fourth game changer, so I ended up swapping it for Painful Quandary. I already play a hefty amount of wipes anyways.
[[painful quandary]]
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near birch
farewell became the fourth game changer, so I ended up swapping it for Painful Q...
Wait hefty might be the wrong word actually. I double checked and without Farewell I'm down to 4 board wipes :[
hidden knot
farewell became the fourth game changer, so I ended up swapping it for Painful Q...
I just saw [[Avatar's Wrath]], which seems like a good alternative, at least for the other creatures.
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Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hands.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.
urban haven
this is my current y'shtola deck https://moxfield.com/decks/ylin56TXa0atNvj5J622Tg currently debating if i want to swap a few things out to add [[champion's helm]] and [[darksteel plate]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
As long as equipped creature is legendary, it has hexproof. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
Equip
Artifact — Equipment
Indestructible
Equipped creature has indestructible.
Equip
"If there can be no victory, then I will fight forever." —Koth of the Hammer
urban haven
or things like [[sigarda's aid]] and [[codsworth]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
Commanders you control have ward .
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast Aura and/or Equipment spells.
: Attach target Aura or Equipment you control to target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Proud to serve!"
2/3
west cedar
hey i a mdebatign whtehr [[into thestory]] is a godo card to go with fo my deck or [[halo forager]]
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if an opponent has seven or more cards in their graveyard.
Draw four cards.
The boundary between real and imaginary is as thin as the page, and just as easily torn.
Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
When this creature enters, you may pay . When you do, you may cast target instant or sorcery card with mana value X from a graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
3/1
west cedar
the deck is doen jsut adding last tw ocards
urban haven
into the story is included in the precon, most people cut it for other things
west cedar
ok thanks
i fele forager could workj
cause helps trigger yshtolla more
you guys keeping [[grha tia scion reborn]] in deck ortake it out
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west cedar
maybe [[winds of abandon]] is not a good option for yshtola deck or does it work
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Sorcery
Exile target creature you don't control. For each creature exiled this way, its controller searches their library for a basic land card. Those players put those cards onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
west cedar
nm widns are poretyy good
urban haven
could always just piss everyone off and run [[grand arbiter]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
White spells you cast cost less to cast.
Blue spells you cast cost less to cast.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
The Arbiter is a conduit of justice, a will so disciplined that it dispenses justice without ego or remorse.
2/3
timid temple
https://moxfield.com/decks/Mgn2qaSxnk6RTtM-VzGZRw
Here's my Y'shtola deck if anyone wants to check it out
fervent burrow
https://moxfield.com/decks/Mgn2qaSxnk6RTtM-VzGZRw
Here's my Y'shtola deck if any...
potent charm
For those running farewell, have yall swapped it out for anything?
nah
its the only game changer in my deck so its not changing much
potent charm
i dont have yshtola im just generally speaking
distant marten
I've played it and it makes it easy to draw from Y'shtola every turn. Second the recommend. [[Soul Barrier]] works well too.
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Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a creature spell, this enchantment deals 2 damage to that player unless they pay .
"The Soul selects her own Society— Then—shuts the Door—" —Emily Dickinson, "The Soul selects her own Society"
distant marten
[[Sculpted Sunburst]] is a good wrath if you only care about having Y'shtola.
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urban haven
would [[ivory tower]] be worth bringing with all the card draw additions? things like [[helm of the ghastlord]] [[curiosity]] [[ophidian eye]] and such
fervent burrow
I don't think it's a bad idea so to speak as it's a 1 mana investment and likely will get decent use. My biggest problem is my slots in the deck are so tight I don't think I can fit a card that says "1 mana gain 20 life" in it. But I'm sure it'll do work
urban haven
lol yep thats my main problem at the moment
fervent burrow
This strikes me as something that in lower brackets you can get a lot of use out of, especially when you really expect to be taking face damage instead of other combos and such, but as you go up that slot becomes more and more important for interaction or more meaningful synergy beyond lifegain without a payoff
wide quiver
I don't think it's a bad idea so to speak as it's a 1 mana investment and likely...
Agreed here
urban haven
Similar point of [[well of lost dreams]] would get use but not sure if theres the room, also a different investment cost
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Artifact
Whenever you gain life, you may pay , where X is less than or equal to the amount of life you gained. If you do, draw X cards.
Some say the knowledge lost during the Ritual of Rebuking is returned through the well's waters.
urban haven
Is [[murderous rider]] worth keeping in for the adventure or should i just swap it out?
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Creature — Zombie Knight
Lifelink
When this creature dies, put it on the bottom of its owner's library.
2/3
Swift End
Instant — Adventure
Destroy target creature or planeswalker. You lose 2 life. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)
urban haven
thinking of swapping it for something like [[cunning rhetoric]]
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compact vine
If we’re doing theft, I prefer [[talent of the telepath]]
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near birch
t[[irma, part]]
Oh, I just realized this is not a until the end of turn effect!!!
I wanted to slot this my [[volrath, the shapestealer]] deck but I may need to pick up another copy!
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Shapeshifter
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature.
: Until your next turn, Volrath becomes a copy of target creature with a counter on it, except it's 7/5 and it has this ability.
7/5
lusty igloo
I wanted to slot this my [[volrath, the shapestealer]] deck but I may need to p...
yeah it's the new cheapest non-legendary copy but also gets bigger but also you can re-pick better creatures if you get them
im gonna buy 3 on tmnt release date lol
compact vine
I mean I’m already rocking Chameleon and Sakashima. I guess I could take Chameleon out though
lusty igloo
I mean I’m already rocking Chameleon and Sakashima. I guess I could take Chamele...
irma should be top 3 alongside quantumn and irenicus
being able to play her the turn before you cast yshtola and it being like a lothos or esper or something until it becomes y'shtola is rly powerful
cuz the current clone selection forces u play them after you cast y'shtola which is significantly slower
elder mountain
The foil is so expensive 😭
west cedar
Hi all so my yshtola deck is pretty much complete but sprremtly there sre some csrds in there that dont seem to work with what I am trying to do but the deck still works anyone would be willing to take a look if possible
Thats my deck
I could use some advice to see what are some decent csrds to use in it
Also been trying ti finish up my collecion on archideckt collecion page so far is ma t 1300 plus cards
So maybe I could find some that could make her a bit better
But I thought it
Let me know wat ylu think I got quite a few cards from khans of tarkir set
wide quartz
Looking for some yshtola conniseurs 🙂 Got this yshtola list for bracket 3, is it too much removal or what could i improve? https://moxfield.com/decks/w4FNfPvdgkqV1QRaxK-1cg trying not to break bank too much more than already
near birch
Looking for some yshtola conniseurs 🙂 Got this yshtola list for bracket 3, is i...
Looks really good! Removal looks solid as well. How's the Archive working out for you?
wide quartz
Looks really good! Removal looks solid as well. How's the Archive working out fo...
havent tried it yet in yshtola, its a card i had in a fun wheel deck with [[Arjun, the Shifting Flame]] as its commander - very differente deck - but it would win me the game if not removed within the end of next turns often
surreal shoalBOT
wide quartz
but yea its a win more card tbh 😛
soft peak
[[Defacing Duskmage]]
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Creature — Dog Warlock
Deathtouch
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/2
Vandal's Edit
Instant
Draw two cards. Each player loses 2 life.
soft peak
seems good
fervent burrow
Yeah that seems playable in most decks
near birch
[[Defacing Duskmage]]
I'm honestly blown away by this suggestion. I really want to try it out, definitely a nice fit.
lusty igloo
Up to y'all. 5 mana to maybe draw 2, 8 mana draw 4 is very, very low rate
I think you just play unagi if your meta actually has people drawing a ton. FMM alternatively. Much lower mana investment
However I find that many pods they don't draw that much so I don't run them
desert sequoia
Up to y'all. 5 mana to maybe draw 2, 8 mana draw 4 is very, very low rate
Isn't the idea that it's a 2 mana creature that repeatable draws 3-for-3?
fervent burrow
And it has deathtouch if I really need a blocker
lusty igloo
Mmm
It's still 5 mana draw 3 8 mana draw 6
But I'm mostly worried about preparing it
I remember and others have said FMM often sits there like an idiot
In b3 of course
Being instant speed is nice though. You can hold your mana and wait until it gets to your turn to use it if you have nothing to do
Many draw gos are sorcery like the risky shortcuts thing
fervent burrow
Why am I struggling with fmm
lusty igloo
Faerie mastermind
fervent burrow
Ah
desert sequoia
Being instant speed is nice though. You can hold your mana and wait until it get...
Same pips as Anguished Unmaking and Mortify as well, which is p good.
soft peak
its an amazing rate for my low bracket gradual burn deck
repeatable is crazy
and 4 damage per cast
wide quiver
I like duskmage a lot
desert sequoia
Fwiw, I've played FMM in br2.5 and it singlehandedly buried my opps in card advantage
We're talking I was archenemy for 3 turns and still walked with the win lmao
lusty igloo
https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ
i need 3 drops im finally going to 100
im dropping
helm of the ghalstlord
that has to be fkn wrong right
is kambal good enough in b3
it wouldve been a beast in today's game
but multiple psellslinger decks
fervent burrow
Who needs mana I need SYNERGY
fervent burrow
Anyways all I can say is I think [[Defacing Duskmage]] replaces anything like [[Risky Shortcut]] people had, cause I know a lot of people ran that
surreal shoalBOT
Creature — Dog Warlock
Deathtouch
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/2
Vandal's Edit
Instant
Draw two cards. Each player loses 2 life.
wide quartz
Anyways all I can say is I think [[Defacing Duskmage]] replaces anything like [[...
Nice one
Please let me know if other new strixhaven synergies 😉
fervent burrow
Might be some this week. We have Mystical Archives for reprint notices and Silver1uill previewed on Wednesday
slate walrus
Ohhh am I glad this channel exists. I’m pretty new to magic and my bf has been letting me play around with his precons and he has Y’shtola, and I thought “cat girl, that sounds fun” and holy moly is the precon badddd. It’s really not that fun to play and I need to severely modify it.
fervent burrow
Ohhh am I glad this channel exists. I’m pretty new to magic and my bf has been l...
Make sure you check the pinned messages as all of our decklists are there. Varies from modified precon to complete teardown and from B2 to pretty B5 level, but its all there!
And on this commander especially when you recommend a card you need to specify a bracket usually - i think 3/4 becomes the main idea but theres solid B3 cards that are less than ideal in B4/B5 and vice versa
slate walrus
Make sure you check the pinned messages as all of our decklists are there. Varie...
I appreciate you! Gonna poke through it all after work later 🙂
wide quiver
I should reassemble my deck
slate walrus
The precon just doesn’t vibe well. The cards have been kind of a mess. Some things are fine but some are just kinda… there and don’t add much.
slate walrus
Def too high on the creature count.
lusty igloo
I have 41 including MDFC's
41 def seems excessive
near birch
41 def seems excessive
I would normally agree but it fits well with the way I play the deck. It's a lot of draw go for sure.
lusty igloo
topless bolas?
near birch
topless bolas?
Risking it all! I usually don't play the two together honestly. I like the gambling aspect of Bolas.
soft peak
based
lusty igloo
lol fair
elder mountain
Super jank but this is the kind of card I love.
wide quiver
If it's jank, then phyrexian arena is jank
soft peak
I kinda lile that this card a lot
But it feels wrong for my yshtola deck
Ideally i get my setup cards down before yshtola
Feels a bit awkward at 5cmc
My deck usually goes t2 rock, t3 more rocks and/or other engines, likely t4 i can play ysh with protection
Could play it after I suppose but it doesnt leave enough mana to protect I feel
Maybe a turn delay is fine with the value dissertation gives you
wide quiver
I like it a lot too, just generically
lusty igloo
https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ
i need 3 drops im finally goi...
Going back to 35 need a cut
void grove
If it's jank, then phyrexian arena is jank
In 2026 Phyrexian arena is jank
fervent burrow
Oh, missed [[coercive impetus]] for the goad subtheme I know exists in some decks
surreal shoalBOT
void grove
Love to see a new impetus
near birch
Going back to 35 need a cut
Hmm, maybe Lim-Dúls Vault?
lusty igloo
Hmm, maybe Lim-Dúls Vault?
i think that card is goated
like it feels rly rly rly rly strong
like one scenario of picking one of your4 curiosity effects but the one with a good 4 cards to draw after is rly rly strong. in your order too!
but it's just insanely flexible after that. also triggers our girl from self-damage
i think it's the best tutor im on
beseech gives it a run for its money
near birch
It's definitely a cool card! How you are with managing the time it takes to resolve is maybe my only concern.
lusty igloo
im a fast player
i lose games from going to fast
im going to think more in tryhard games tho. i lost like 3 games yday from trying to speed thru my turn
near birch
Maybe Kaito?
lusty igloo
mmm
it's a very strong draw engine but one that is useless without yshtola
i'll think on it
soft peak
[[Reenact the Crime]]?
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wide quiver
I like reenact the crime a lot
soft peak
Just now discovering it seems really cool
near birch
[[memory plunder]] is a pet card that does something similar.
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turbid nexus
https://moxfield.com/decks/WBwiXgz6KUCVdCIadxHsOw looking for feedback
soft peak
https://moxfield.com/decks/WBwiXgz6KUCVdCIadxHsOw looking for feedback
Boardwipe suite is weak IMO, there are a lot of good one sided ones you can run like slaughter the strong, tragic arrogance
Not a fan of Angel's Mercy, deduce, spirited companion (could replace with baleful strix)
peek and cremate I feel could be improved
youre running blue no need for dash hope
Should add curiosity
You have a lot of instant/sorcery cost reducers but not that many 3+cmc instants/sorceries tbh. Arcane melee in particular, could replace with relic of legends or benders waterskin
turbid nexus
Sorry
lusty igloo
Arcane melee in particular, could replace with relic of legends or benders waterskin
i would def not do that
this is a high power deck
cant be playing true 3+ mana instants
Angel's Mercy is unplayable
soft peak
this is a high power deck
there's a high power deck somewhere in there but there's a lot that needs trimming
landbase needs a lot of work as well
fervent burrow
Sorry
No sorries needed, its a deck tech thread so its just feedback based on others experiences
elder mountain
https://moxfield.com/decks/WBwiXgz6KUCVdCIadxHsOw looking for feedback
If budget isn't an issue, I'd highly recommend Fierce Guardianship and Force of Will. Y'shtola is your engine and protecting her is important. I'd cut Helm of Awakening for Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff.
turbid nexus
If budget isn't an issue, I'd highly recommend Fierce Guardianship and Force of ...
Budget is a issue sadly i try to keep it under 500$
Originqlly i triwd to keep it under 450$ om tcg price
near birch
Budget is a issue sadly i try to keep it under 500$
Originqlly i triwd to keep i...
[[misdirection]]
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near birch
That's a neat alternative
viral wraith
I know I'm late but willing to help lol
My goal is keep it semi cheap for future upgrades as I have to order 400$ worth of cards for multiple decks still
I had originally sent my list to track what left to pick up. This ones the normal list
lusty igloo
queza and dancers has to go asap
wide quartz
Super jank but this is the kind of card I love.
for sure good maybe hard to fit in the upper bracket3 decks but a cool card i wud use for sure 🙂 nice one
urban haven
would [[pensive professor]] be good for the constant extra draw
surreal shoalBOT
urban haven
i guess constant is subjective, unless you have a way to remove those counters
wide quiver
I like [[defacing duskamage]] a lot from this set
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
[[defacing duskmage]]
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Creature — Dog Warlock
Deathtouch
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/2
Vandal's Edit
Instant
Draw two cards. Each player loses 2 life.
near birch
[[defacing duskmage]]
That's the one I'm eager to test out
lusty igloo
Me hater
wide quiver
You hate every card that isn't in your list though
Duskmage being repeatable, instant speed, and triggering yshtola draw on a single cast is very worthy of consideration
lusty igloo
You hate every card that isn't in your list though
lol
wide quiver
Say it isn't true 😛
lusty igloo
it's close enough to true i do be hating on 90% of suggestions
proud hatch
What do you all think of making her a token deck? like 1/1 flyers are gonna get consistent triggers on each turn.
wide quiver
Tokens are good for blocking, and that's typically it
Usually her card draw triggers off of me taking damage
fervent burrow
I think tokens will work in lower brackets but fall off heavily as optimizations scale up
proud hatch
I think tokens will work in lower brackets but fall off heavily as optimizations...
yea agreed.... im ducking off the plan now, i was testing thopter / foundry but too slow
I mean, what is y'alls win con anyway?
wait.. all you need to do is inf magecraft basically right
i should just go back to that plan
proud hatch
The list here I think has budget in mind
but I think I'm gonna go back on [[aetherflux]] + [[bolas citadel]] as win con
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, Sacrifice ten nonland permanents: Each opponent loses 10 life.
proud hatch
I just can't make the grindy version work
every time I play her, I'm kinda stopping people from winning, and I end up just being a kingmaker
without an efficient combo win
lusty igloo
U dun need aehterflux
proud hatch
ya I may not get it, just cause I've been over optimizing lately... and its a $20 card
lusty igloo
ya I may not get it, just cause I've been over optimizing lately... and its a $2...
I mean she finished the combo without a dead outside of combo card
Both papalymo and sheoldred close out
And Yshtola herself is extremely high %
proud hatch
At the moment the issue is like, I think people see a bit like a nekusar, and I get focused a lot. That combined online often you run to players with high lvl optimized b3 decks that win before turn 8 or 9. As a control deck just stopping the person winning while also often getting gang banged has made it super tough to win.
But I think i'll just stick to making her a grindy control deck as the challenge above is perhaps part of the fun, but may take a lil bit of politicing.
lusty igloo
You need to build the deck to have engines that can rebuild if yshtola is KOSed
proud hatch
I've been struggling to get draw triggers off her, especially with trying to make a sorcery work on my main phase when I can't swing at anyone with y'shtola
proud hatch
You need to build the deck to have engines that can rebuild if yshtola is KOSed
this basically just hits all the annoying cards in b3 -> esper sentinal, rhystic study, mystic remora
but also phrexian arena I suppose fits the b2 theme of this brew channel
lusty igloo
this basically just hits all the annoying cards in b3 -> esper sentinal, rhystic...
uhhh u can TOR, necropotence, trouble in pairs, etc if asking to pay is annoying
Black market connections
Sygg
There r tons of options lol
lusty igloo
I've been struggling to get draw triggers off her, especially with trying to mak...
Post decklist
proud hatch
Sygg isn't good at rebuilding if you get wiped.. because if play a sygg you'll get focused harder
it encourages players to attack you, which is part of why sygg is unpopular to begin with
I thought you were playing more budget, but you mention necropontence
lusty igloo
Fast high b3s can win on t5/6 not 8/9
I don't know why we're complaining about control Yshtola In b3 she's far above rate as a high 4 commander that's most likely too powerful for bracket 3
proud hatch
Fast high b3s can win on t5/6 not 8/9
I don't know why we're complaining about ...
I mean, I think reaching high 4 you'd need to build her with combo
I dont see her being high 4 thou
lusty igloo
Kefka is b5
proud hatch
yea i guess so
i mean on paper shes some what slow... easily focused down and i think shes just drawn a lot of hate
lusty igloo
Yshtola commands a ton of innate power as Vivi jr. With built in ard draw
proud hatch
i dont think hardly anything can stop a player that gets 3v1ed
the only way i see to solve the problem is the propaganda effects
but propaganda effects dont typically end up in bracket 4
in b4 I'd see her rushing bolas / aetherflux if she can hang there
lusty igloo
I'm kind of privileged in my deck costs thousands but she often wins the 1v3 in most pods. It's only the super sweat pods that tend to be hard to win
Also bad matchup into turbo or aristocrats
proud hatch
also i wouldnt look at it as complaining
lusty igloo
She doesn't play aether flux
proud hatch
just discussion
proud hatch
I'm kind of privileged in my deck costs thousands but she often wins the 1v3 in ...
i havent won with her in quite awhile, but I can win much more often with pillowfort control b3
not sure how you win 3v1
i gotta go pauper tourney starting soon
lusty igloo
Gl!
proud hatch
ty
viral wraith
i dont think hardly anything can stop a player that gets 3v1ed
Just win quicker trust.
All jokes aside depends what decks are targeting you
viral wraith
Yshtola commands a ton of innate power as Vivi jr. With built in ard draw
I can confirm. She can be super strong. My deck has been doing wonders
Its bracket 4 with more of the common win cons tho
compact osprey
I just recently got back into my Y'shtola. Went the poison route with it. Currently doing some new upgrades with all the sets that have come out since then.
soft peak
i dont think hardly anything can stop a player that gets 3v1ed
Why are you being 3v1'd
Playing yshtola can require some tact in my experience
proud hatch
https://archidekt.com/decks/21710807/yshtola
Thnx
proud hatch
Why are you being 3v1'd
Not sure, I usually asked them for input, sometimes it was cause I was the only one open, sometimes they gave an excuse, it happened 2-3 times in a row where I was 3v1ed out early
I was really confused but I was thinking I was getting hated like a nekusar would or something
viral wraith
Not sure, I usually asked them for input, sometimes it was cause I was the only ...
Keep in mind this can always be the pod. Until recently when I found a new group, my old pod would always hate me out of the game targeting me even tho there were fully developed boards when I had nothing. My new group is not like that at all, they just wanna play and focus the threat, not who has the strongest deck
proud hatch
Keep in mind this can always be the pod. Until recently when I found a new group...
I'm mostly in regards to public games online, which is a whole different ball game than playing in person.
I'm playing mostly what my paper deck would be online though.
viral wraith
I'm mostly in regards to public games online, which is a whole different ball ga...
I definitely get to that too!
soft peak
from what ive heard online powerlevels tend to be a bit higher, so part of it might be people focusing the yshtola deck as if yours is a stronger deck than it is. Haven't seen the list just throwing the idea out there
proud hatch
from what ive heard online powerlevels tend to be a bit higher, so part of it mi...
I think that's actually perhaps on point
That and y'shtola often doesnt have as many blockers
soft peak
yeah
I saw you mentioned a token based yshtola earlier, I think that can work. There's a good number of cards like [[Monastary Mentor]]. Would give you blockers early
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
Propaganda etc as suggested earlier would also work, as would running more boardwipes. A lot of good asymmetrical ones for yshtola
proud hatch
my turn 2....
soft peak
explosive but no draw is what I see
proud hatch
you are correct
but i can get triggers in at least from the -4
i drew into esper sentinal
so its working out
omg i have curiosity
proud hatch
how can i lose
okay they concede before like turn 6 just to overwhelming board state
I started off as a wad of cookie dough
now I'm more like hardened steel 🙂
lusty igloo
nice
i do enjoy mfdcs with painlands
i always try to pay 4 life when casting yshtola
daring oriole
i run the 3 pain lands, 3 shock lands. city of brass, and tarnished citadel
viral wraith
Speaking of lands I picked up one of the dopest lands I could today for her. Shadow signed foil unfinity godless shrine
On the grind to deck the arts out now!
near birch
@viral wraith and @compact osprey have such interesting lists. It's always cool to see just how different Y'shtola can be built.
I noticed you both have [[teferi, Time Raveler]], how has he been working out. It looks quite strong.
surreal shoalBOT
viral wraith
<@1221553249501319339> and <@142012390630883328> have such interesting lists. It...
Been super good even as just a slowdown card.
But tbf the 2 games I got him out, i had my combo and won on the spot
compact osprey
<@1221553249501319339> and <@142012390630883328> have such interesting lists. It...
Really helps out with that pillow fort piece. During my turn I don't want people interrupting my combos. If I can prevent someone else from putting something on the stack, I can usually get upwards of six proliferates in one round to win the game.
viral wraith
Really helps out with that pillow fort piece. During my turn I don't want people...
Can I give a small tip for ya?
run displacer too. If you have displacer kitten, teferi, and a sol ring, mana vault, or a mox (like mox amber with no cost to play/no exile a card effect). You can draw your whole deck (or as much as you want) and get a ton of colorless (or colored) mana. You play displacer and teferi. Play (for example) mox amber for 0. Flicker teferi with displacer. Tap mox for 1 colored mana. Use teferi's -3 to draw a card and return mox amber. You have done 1 cycle, drew a card, and have 1 floating mana. Repeat as much as you want
Then lab maniac (or any sort of win of draw with no library) or thassas and ya win. Its kinda a cheap way to do it but works. I've also used it as a way to draw and get mana when needed. You dont even need it to combo into a win
lusty igloo
T3f kitten isn't consistent enough withput moxen
You need multiple moxen to justify it
Kitten unfortunately isn't that strong outside combo for us, and t3f is, just like grand abolisher ranger captain of eos and voice of victory, a high power card (b4+)
I'd only add kitten if you have several moxen/petal/etc
lusty igloo
^ it's usually in high power decks that include cards like mana vault, chrome mox, mox diamond, and because so many other moxen, mox opal
Lotus petal tends to be higher priority in b4+ too
So b3 yshtola (which is most of us in here) can't afford to run t3f kitten
T3f himself is hard to defend in b3s creature heavy meta, and the abolisher effect is less important
Kitten being not very strong (removes curiosity if used defensively, it can ubtap rocks I guess...)
desert sequoia
without an efficient combo win
The meme play is [[Omniscience]], but you can also accomplish this much more easily with [[Ghostly Flicker]] and [[Archaeomancer]]
proud hatch
The meme play is [[Omniscience]], but you can also accomplish this much more eas...
Plus the missing piece... [[Palinchron]] type card
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Creature — Illusion
Flying
When this creature enters, untap up to seven lands.
: Return this creature to its owner's hand.
4/5
proud hatch
Stars align were a pain in the ass, I think just straight resolving a [[painful quandry]] is so much more consistent
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proud hatch
It can be a fun deck thou, don't get me wrong, Y'shtola flicker
urban haven
[[Wisdom of ages]]
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
Plus the missing piece... [[Palinchron]] type card
Any number of cards do the trick tbh. Gilded Lotus, Coveted Jewel, Peregrine Drake etc
proud hatch
My fav commander
seems kinda nice, garanteed card draw, but I hate playing expensive commanders (7 mana)
desert sequoia
I wasn'r really talking about etb shenanigans tbh, just about Y'shtola's ability to kill people. You can just go infinite w a 3 card combo using pieces that are just good anyway.
viral wraith
seems kinda nice, garanteed card draw, but I hate playing expensive commanders (...
I saw what was posted and immediately went "Oh wait, this is like my atraxa grand unifier deck" lol
viral wraith
I would recommend Atraxa grand unifier for all the ETB shenanigans
you and I both
proud hatch
I wasn'r really talking about etb shenanigans tbh, just about Y'shtola's ability...
its not that ez assembly 3 pieces even with tutors, but kinda depends on how strong the other b3 decks are
desert sequoia
It is if all of them are just cards you're playing anyway. Archaeomancer, Ghostly Flicker and Peregrine Drake are hardly cards without utility, especially since they all do heinous stuff with a dozen other cards too
proud hatch
that was one of my first builds with y'shtola
the flicker version
i mean its worthwhile, sure
one issue though, is like.... creatures don't trigger y'shtola
and flicker effects work better with creatures
so it kinda builds a little against the deck in the name of just comboing off
cause you gonna run creature with ETB effects now?
just look up pauper jeskai ephemerate
I was thinking an artifact version could be neat
cause you can flicker artifacts and still synergize with y'shtola
I mean... the 3 mana version of like... [[eviscerators insight]] + the 3 mana version of [[ichor wellspring]]
surreal shoalBOT
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice an artifact or creature.
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Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost and any additional costs. Then exile it.)
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
: Add one mana of any color. Each player loses 1 life.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if each player has 10 or less life, transform this artifact.
Aurora of Emrakul
Creature — Eldrazi Reflection
Flying, deathtouch
Whenever this creature attacks, each opponent loses 3 life.
"I felt compelled to take the twisted stone, and I abandoned my horse's burden to accommodate its weight. Now, its continued glow illuminates my home and warms my mind." —Garner Kroft, Moorland farmer
1/4
proud hatch
not enough good artifacts
lusty igloo
thinking hard on avatar's wrath over promise of loyalty
anyone have an opinion that plays both?
desert sequoia
and flicker effects work better with creatures
You can flicker artifacts just fine ??? Like Gilded Lotus or Jeweled Lotus + Archaeomancer and flicker is literally infinite damage with Y'shtola lol
You can also do fun stuff with [[Shorikai, Genesis Engine]] and [[Thopter Fabricator]]
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
, : Draw two cards, then discard a card. Create a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This token crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Crew 8 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 8 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
8/8
desert sequoia
I dunno, Y'shtola is just such a flexible card that if you're not in b4 she can hold her own with so many different strategies
proud hatch
but does y'shtola have a combo with gilded lotus thou?
zinc spruce
yshtola caw-go bird tribal when?
wide quiver
Probably never
soft peak
[[raven wings]] is a must include for yshtola caw-go
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0, has flying, and is a Bird in addition to its other types.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"There are some places even our ships cannot travel. I would know their secrets too." —Inga Rune-Eyes
zinc spruce
Probably never
:(
wide quiver
I mean, she's a noncreature commander lol
I guess you could essentially ignore her text box, but at that point run a less scary commander.
soft peak
[[Hermes, overseer]]
surreal shoalBOT
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Enchantment
(
can be paid with either or .)
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, counter that spell. That player creates X 1/1 white and blue Bird creature tokens with flying, where X is the spell's mana value.
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Creature — Bird Assassin
Flying
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, exile up to one target card from a graveyard. If a creature card is exiled this way, create a Clue token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
2/3
zinc spruce
this mf gets it
desert sequoia
but does y'shtola have a combo with gilded lotus thou?
Yes? Tap 3 from Gilded Lotus, cast Ghostly Flicker targeting Gilded Lotus and Archaeomancer, Y'shtola will ping each opp for 2. Archaeomancer will enter, targeting Ghostly Flicker in the graveyard with its trigger, and Gilded Lotus will enter untapped. Repeat until done.
fervent burrow
@fickle glade I saw your Yshtola question and felt the need to direct you to the Yshtola channel
Which wow 15,800 messages in here? Anyways all the decklists are in pinned but if yiu ask for suggestions make sure you note your bracket/intentions because you can play Yshtola in a lot of ways of varying effectiveness and power
fickle glade
thanks a lot
surreal shoalBOT
Instant
For each spell and ability your opponents control, counter it unless its controller pays .
"No, no, and ... no."
soft peak
completely blew out a [[Zada, Hedron Grinder]] deck with it once
surreal shoalBOT
lusty igloo
One me a game yday
It's cuz gy combo decks and aristocrats are just hard
U counter or boardwipe their stuff... It goes to the gy and comes right back
soft peak
makes sense
near birch
Should I be on strix first
I just checked, I play [[disallow]] and [[sublime epiphany]] both cards kinda fill that role.
lusty igloo
I just checked, I play [[disallow]] and [[sublime epiphany]] both cards kinda fi...
Yeah I'm on disallow
I'm not sure if I should be on stifle instead
lusty igloo
I'm going to playtest avatar's wrath over promise of loyalty
soft peak
Avatars wrath looks real interesting let us know how it goes
wide quiver
It's good
lusty igloo
Every day someone argues why I should take reliquary tower out the deck
I swear this card is actually good
fervent burrow
Im not always utilizing the graveyard! I need them in my hand to cast sometimes!
"Just play more cards so you can utilize the graveyard"
Well now I need to make cuts to the deck NOT HAPPENING
near birch
I swear this card is actually good
I think it's good but also deck dependent. Out of 15 decks I have it in 4 of them.
lusty igloo
this is my only deck with it
near birch
I think some people tend to conflate popular with overrated.
lusty igloo
reliquary is often regarded as noob bait
but in this scenario where we oten have 15+ cards in hand with a huge amount o free cards, lots of them being niche (anti boseiju/otawara cards like restoration magic), lots of them needing pitches like misdirection, force of negations, and then needing actual cards to advance your game state and win
no keeping the best 7 is not good enough
and for an untapped land, if the rest of ur mana base is expensive the downside is practically nonexistent
desert sequoia
I could see an argument to play one of the mana rocks w handsize tho
The 3 mana one that also fixes colours
[[Decanter of Endless]]
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.
: Add one mana of any color.
"Now, remember: Under no circumstances should you utter the word 'geyser' in the same room as—oh, blast it!" —Bindlehaim, Upper City merchant
umbral ruin
5c zada hedron would
Be fun
lusty igloo
Yshtola joins Roxanne and Atraxa GU as my third deck with over 100 games
wide quiver
Gamer
viral wraith
Every day someone argues why I should take reliquary tower out the deck
Everyone hates it and I dont get it either
like it isnt that bad 😭
bold lantern
https://moxfield.com/decks/eA3c4XHBgUuic_jqUXu-_A
Can I get some eyes on this? I feel like I need way more lands than this but I don't know what to cut.
soft peak
G'raha and hermes are two easy cuts that stand out
lusty igloo
https://moxfield.com/decks/eA3c4XHBgUuic_jqUXu-_A
Can I get some eyes on this? I...
Need way more than 38 is crazy
I'm on 35
Also your counterspell package should not be on synergy bait
Besides fierce and forces
You should be on the 1 mana protection first
Offer, swan, restoration magic
Solitary confinement is practically a core card at this point
There's just a ton of synergy bait in this deck
U need to be playing the best cards, not just ones that trigger Yshtola
bold lantern
While I would normally agree with “play the best cards” this is intended to be bracket 2-3
elder mountain
I know it’s janky but I love how
Y’shtola’s trigger makes [[Withering Curse]] a wrath. lol
surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
Just got a copy of [[fatalism]]
Gonna swap out one of my other counterspells just for the flavour win.
surreal shoalBOT
compact vine
Whatever. The Endsinger version of Arcane Denial
bold lantern
Does that have an english print?
fervent burrow
It does not, it was a Japanese Buy a Box Promo
bold lantern
compact vine
The Japanese version is pretty cheap though, and it’s a very well known effect
near birch
[[consuming tide]] how good is this in Y'shtola?
surreal shoalBOT
soft peak
hits your rocks, curiosity, other value engines, etc. Not the biggest fan personally
desert sequoia
Depends on what you're doing. If you have a lot of artifact etbs this could be nice
But in the traditional curiosity shell, no.
soft peak
true actually could be gas in some sort of artifact storm deck
urban haven
for using Y'shtola as a control/enchantress, would [[arcane lighthouse]] be worth running? (and maybe also [[deserted temple]] to get a second use out of it)
surreal shoalBOT
Land
: Add .
, : Until end of turn, creatures your opponents control lose hexproof and shroud and can't have hexproof or shroud.
Land
: Add .
, : Untap target land.
A monument to long-forgotten gods, it stands as a tribute to the fleeting nature of human ways.
lusty igloo
Probably not
Deserted temple 100% no if you don't have a ton of diff targets or extremely high value targets like cradle
U kinda just rely on asymmetric boardwipes to get rid of hexproof / shroud
daring oriole
If you wanted something like Arcane Lighthouse, i'd suggest [[shadowspear]] instead
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and lifelink.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Equip
A weapon of darkness for a warrior of light.
glass smelt
[[lyse hext]] or [[Alisaie Leveilleur]] or both?
surreal shoalBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Rebel Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast.
As long as you've cast two or more noncreature spells this turn, Lyse Hext has double strike.
2/2
Legendary Creature — Elf Wizard
Partner with Alphinaud Leveilleur (When this creature enters, target player may put Alphinaud Leveilleur into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
First strike
Dualcast — The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
3/2
fervent burrow
If i have to pick one im taking Lyse
lusty igloo
Lyse
lusty igloo
Reporting back avatars wrath has been a notable improvement over promise of loyalty
fervent burrow
Reporting back avatars wrath has been a notable improvement over promise of loya...
Is the mana loss tempo just more valuable than removal in general?
Or is the extra few creatures being temp gone just more worth it
lusty igloo
Is the mana loss tempo just more valuable than removal in general?
It just hits more than promise, promise lets them keep their most powerful card and unless it’s like Voltron they often don’t care about the vow counter
Turning off commander casts, and the tempo is rly rly powerful. U can also feast off the airbrnd with rhystic and trouble in pairs
But mainly it being an exile all effect and u can airbend ur guys back in rly soon. Exile all hits degen GY decks harder
Obviously has a terrible matchup into ETB decks
fervent burrow
Fair enough! I suppose in com.ander I maybe underrate temporary removal
lusty igloo
Fair enough! I suppose in com.ander I maybe underrate temporary removal
Well it took me like 6 months to try it in my list after it was released so same here
It’s def legit
urban haven
If you wanted something like Arcane Lighthouse, i'd suggest [[shadowspear]] inst...
counterpoint, lighthouse is $1 vs spear being 30 at the cheapest, lol, plus i'd argue the land is harder to remove, but i get your point