#Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing
16691 messages · Page 17 of 17 (latest)
I'm thinking of coming off of Sunstar Lightsmith
4 mana is a lot to pay, I definitely need to lower my curve and maybe add more ramp
I'm also thinking of adding Wan Shi Tong
It's a good dump for my second spell, draws a ton, provides a big beater
Uthros Psionicist and the french twins have been overperforming in this deck tbh
They do so well
I am also thinking of removing Ezuri's Predation for Avwrath
And tbh? I think flip tamiyo has some real chutzpah here
Clues give us draw without having to cast a spell if we need to
And the flip lets us recur removal/counterspells and protect our selves
The ult is gravy
This is a good idea
Avwrath is real good in bumble period
Av wrath is one of my favourite cards right now
I'm not a fan of it generally
Especially with the demise of farewell
One sides board wipe is good
But this deck specifically makes good use of it
It's not one sided
Your creatures get wiped too
And second spell being 2 pips colourless
Most of them! But not all
ya know ive been thinkin a lot about what i would do with ms. bumbleflower and it really seems like voltron works the best with her
Voltron bring a lot of heat
I like voltron as a backup strategy
Any other overperformers you see?
I mean, bumbleflower just voltrons without you having to build around it
I'm still an enjoyer of Wear Down and Peerless Recycling. I didn't take them out because they were passably useful when I first upgraded the precon, but i've found that those cards actually are just insanely good - They act as a double regrowth/double disenchant on a 2 mana card and synergizes with giving away cards.
I 100% rec keeping them in
I sitll really like Bunny Tamiyo but I am looking at it more and more often as a cut option
And I think cosmogrand zenith might come out for some kind of two drop ramp
Or some cantrippy thing
Ozolith might come out for another counterspell
It's so easy to put counters on her, that she can be voltron without any additional equipment or auras
If you play a lot of low mana spells, especiallly a lot of removal, you can make her huge while also managing the board
I mean it only procs once per turn right?
What does?
her every second spell u cast
Her counters are for every spell
It's just if that trigger is the second for the turn, you draw 2
what about a bumbleflower storm deck
It's 100% doable
I think ill go w that. ive been wanting to make a storm deck
I like [[radstorm]]
OKAY! so i technically have a bumbleflower deck PLEASSEEEE give me advice ive never made a storm deck and bumbleflower is already so interesting to build around
so testing it and it seems to work pretty okay
34 lands is really low for 203 total CMC
that's only a 56% chance to hit 4 land drops in a row
yea mana is the one issue
tweaks must be made
how many u think i should have
and whats the ratio?
this the one?
yep!
@pastel agate sorry for the ping but could u pin this?
Caught me right before going to bed, good timing
bumbleflower w isochron, dramatic reversal exiled, kami and bumbleflower gave me infinite mana so that was cool. i love storm decks
isochron gives me nausea
It also will draw a ton of aggro in a deck where you will want to try to deflect as much aggro as you can
I don't run any game changers in Bumbles for that reason
just realizing infinite isochron casts mean bumble mills everyone
True, which then opens up the question, "is this just a combo deck now?"
^^worth it to include grand abolisher and friends for that exact reason (drawing everyone’s deck) if that’s your preferred wincon
well i wanted to try making a cEDH deck with bumble so yea i think im gonna go w that. i just have absurd tutors and protection attempt to assemble infinite isochron and just mill. i do have aetherflux resevoir as a backup and bumble will be an infinite power creature if unchecked but admittedly if its infinite its game over. so the idea would be protecting the engine at all costs
okay so heres my vaguely hopefully bracket 5 bumble????? if not at least high bracket 4
https://moxfield.com/decks/gENaZP7cgkiaJ05cYiwCHQ
no no its no good umaru
upon second glance its a got a bunch of midgame value engines that arent really that good if i intend to combo as fast as possible. it would just dilute my card draws
ok i did get it to turn 6 infinite pretty consistently even against interaction but not heavy. does require more testing.
ok got it to turn 4 against another bracket 4 so i think ill trim the three fluff and leave it as is
@pastel agate you inspired me to bite the bullet
Hell yeah
Nice work! I’ll have to send pics of the proxies I have, I prefer them to the real deal but those are sick too
These aren't going in a deck though
Can't be putting nm duals in a deck and risk them
Ht these mean I can proxy to my hearts content
😭
Gotta play the fancies!!
Why do you think I play my serialized card, masterpiece sol ring and raised foil Bumble
I single sleeve that serialized card too, it slaps
i play with raised foil bumble but my masterpiece sits in a binder because I cant choose which deck gets to be blessed with it
I used to have 2x each Revised dual lands back in the 90s, but that collection is long gone. I can't bring myself to get new ones when I only spent $20/pop on those almost 30 years ago.
My one old nostalgia card is my copy of Survival of the Fittest in my Henzie deck
Its pretty good
Good clone, 10/10
3 mana non legendary clone is busted
The big difference is that you wouldn't get any ETB triggers which is a very important thing for clones
jin Sakai will love this one since he doesn't care about etbs
OH SHIT YOU RIGHT
I have a jin deck
It's so fun
A shame this won't work with my [[edea possessed sorceress]] clones deck
Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Ward 
At the beginning of combat on your turn, gain control of target creature an opponent controls until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn.
Whenever a creature you control but don't own dies, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control and you draw a card.
2/5
Why not?
Because cloning edea at begining of combat won't cause an additional edea trigger
and that's the whole point of having a bunch of clones in the deck
It would on the next turn at least
Yeah this is 100% going in jin. This turn 3 into jin turn 4 is sick
I think I need to build jin to be less ramp focused and more curve into small things and pls jin on 4
That's how I'm landing on it too. No need to drop ramp into this THEN into other stuff. Gotta have a board of one or two creatures the turn he comes down to make immediate use of Jin
my list feels very creature light though
I misread and thought it was until end of turn
This is exactly how I built Raffine. No ramp at all. It’s better to set up creatures to take advantage of the attacks right away than to ramp into the commander faster.
Oh yea you need like 35+ creatures.
Irma can also become a copy of something I steal if I wanted to
Maybe replace [[breath of fury]] with Irma. That’s kind of a pipe dream card for it to chain off in Edea
Yeahhhhh.... Breath of Fury is a combo piece but it is HARD to pull off
I have so much card draw and there arent that many creatures with good combat damage abilities so I struggle to find ones to add
Part of the problem is I'm avoiding theft cards
Which seem to be the majority of ninjas
There’s lots of great combat damage abilities out there. I have a Felix deck
[[Gríma, Saruman's Footman]]
Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Gríma can't be blocked.
Whenever Gríma deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then that player puts the exiled cards that weren't cast this way on the bottom of their library in a random order.
1/4
[[Dazzling Sphinx]]
Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then that player puts the exiled cards that weren't cast this way on the bottom of their library in a random order.
4/5
Of course both are theft, but deck theft doesn’t technically take any resources from the person like board or hand theft
[[gonti night minister]]
Legendary Creature — Aetherborn Rogue
Whenever a player casts a spell they don't own, that player creates a Treasure token.
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, its controller looks at the top card of that opponent's library and exiles it face down. They may play that card for as long as it remains exiled. Mana of any type can be spent to cast a spell this way.
3/4
[[Orochi Soul-Reaver]]
Creature — Snake Ninja Rogue
Ninjutsu 
(
, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token and manifest the top card of that player's library. (Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
5/4
[[Thada Adel, Acquisitor]]
Legendary Creature — Merfolk Rogue
Islandwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls an Island.)
Whenever Thada Adel deals combat damage to a player, search that player's library for an artifact card and exile it. Then that player shuffles. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
2/2
Maybe you’re right about lots of theft, but I see you’re playing Rev
[[fallen shinobi]]
Creature — Zombie Ninja
Ninjutsu 

(

, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles the top two cards of their library. Until end of turn, you may play those cards without paying their mana costs.
5/4
I love theft. I have three theft decks haha. Not including all the theft that’s in Felix
[[Willbreaker]]
Loving flash speed. Hard casting leyline of anticipation doesn't feel so bad
Uthros jelly is great
I need to add seedborn to really go nuts
Will cut cyc rift for seedborn I think
Who needs instant speed board wipes when everything is instant speed
You mean [[uthros psionicist]]?
All of the Uthros are jellyfish so that doesn’t narrow it down lol
Fair
I would be scared to run this because if they blast it and get a bunch of buffed creatures back, that would be bad
im forever shilling bumble storm decks i just won a game with 15 aeve progenitor oozes on the field
[[hardbristle bandit]] is this anything
Creature — Plant Rogue
: Add one mana of any color.
Whenever you commit a crime, untap this creature. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
Visitors to the town of Hardbristle found the locals to be quite prickly.
1/1
I've seen people run it, it's good. Could be considered a better 2 drop ramp piece
Might be good instead of a talisman or something
i prefer the mana dorks that tap for multiple if they have a counter on them
that's so easy to make tap for 3
kami of whispered hopes is THE card that enables so much bullshit in my bumblestorm deck
A thread just for my new favorite commander, say no more! I know she is super easy to go +1/+1 route, but I definitely leaned into group hug/control. My game plan is to play the table until it's a 1v1, then she is basically unstoppable. Secret win con of milling my opponents out with her forced card draw (ala Dramatic Scepter combo etc.)
dramatic scepter is how I make turn 1 wins on my b5 deck lmfaooo
I love u bumble flowerrrr
wait hold on targeting opponents is considered a crime so TARGET opponent draws a card is a crime....
too bad its only once per time BUT I should make a crime deck with bumbleflower lmfaooo
well crime support is low so sad
Ms. Bumbleflower - Commander deck
Group Hug • Good Stuff • Draw • Combo
(1) Commander • (2) Blink • (1) Clones • (2) Copy • (6) Counters • (9) Draw • (1) Evasion • (28) Land • (1) Lifegain • (3) Protection • (1) Pump • (20) Ramp • (3) Recursion • (13) Removal • (1) Tokens • (8) Tutor
Strategy Overview - ...
the only thing that hurts me is that u have isochron but no dramatic reversal
so sad
What tmnt cards you guys adding?
I need to do a review of the set at some point
I know almost nothing from it
I’m curious about the card draw Krang but not super high on it [[!krang the all-powerful]]
It could be good w the faerie masterminds but 5 mana suuuucks
Yeah 5 mana is a lot
I also don't care for panharmonicons really
Especially at 5 mana
[[baxter fly in ointment]] is fun? Could be cool for a deck focused around that kinda effect
Legendary Creature — Insect Mutant Scientist
Whenever Baxter enters or attacks, each creature you control with a counter on it gains flying until end of turn.
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Baxter.
"What am I? I am nothing anymore! A FREAK! I'll never be taken seriously as a scientist again!"
2/2
Big mother mouser seems good
“Continue?” is just kinda fine? Not a humongous fan of it since I’d rather just run heroic
[[hidden hideout]] would be really really good if you’ve got the space in your lands
Yea I played prerelease and still know nothing about this set
[[irma part time mutant]] can copy key creatures
Legendary Creature — Human Mutant Shapeshifter
At the beginning of combat on your turn, Irma becomes a copy of up to one other target creature you control, except her name is Irma, Part-Time Mutant and she has this ability. Then put a +1/+1 counter on her.
"I'm not trying to cause trouble. Trouble just follows me around."
1/1
That card looks interesting
Definitely that one seems the best yet. Maybe the counter doubler turtle guy
[[leader’s talent]] is good for more budget brews since we have a lot of this effect already.
Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever you attack, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature.

: Level 2
Whenever a creature you control leaves the battlefield, if it had a counter on it, you gain 2 life.

: Level 3
Whenever you cast a spell, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
The level 3 shouldn’t be considered but it is a good game ender here
[[leatherhead iron gator]] is too expensive imo
[[leatherhead swamp stalker]] is a fun one though! Not too powerful but it’s basically an aggro version of hopeful initiate
That’s some fun removal!
Better with [[Consecrated Sphinx]]
Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6
True
[[Michelangelo mutant bff]] is honestly a really really good card that I wanna pick up a good few copies of
Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
Each creature you control with a counter on it can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Whenever Michelangelo enters or attacks, create a Mutagen token. (It's an artifact with "
,
, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
4/4
Constantly popping out mutagens is one thing, but always making blocking unfavorable in bumbleflower is really nice
It's hard because tbh I honestly hate TMNT as a set on principal
Sure
This is all under the assumption that you don’t mind running them
[[michelangelo weirdness to 11]] is.. okay? Like putting hardened scales on another creature is okay but not for an extra mana i think. Also [[ozolith shattered spire]] is just too good
Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
When Michelangelo enters, create a Mutagen token. (It's an artifact with "
,
, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
1/1
I like it better than spiderman and the sealed was fun, but yea I understand where you are coming from my boyfriend is the same and he has a ninja deck 🙃
[[mikey and leo chaos and order]] is another, better copy of dusk legion duelist
No card found for “mikey and leo chaos and order”
[[mikey & leo chaos and order]]?
Whatever scryfall
That seems strong
[[mona lisa ever adaptable]] is pretty decent too - I like mutagen tokens a lot
Legendary Creature — Lizard Mutant
Whenever a player casts a creature spell, you create a Mutagen token. (It's an artifact with "
,
, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
"Being surrounded by a little chaos is normally my little happy place, but . . ."
4/4
It helps when bumble is trying to cast exactly two spells a turn, you likely end up with extra mana
[[Mona lisa science geek]] is honestly not as good as other options in the same space, unless reach is REALLY that important to you
Sorcery
Sneak 
(You may cast this spell for 
if you also return an unblocked attacker you control to hand during the declare blockers step.)
Search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"Uno, Moja, Odyn, and Yi carry on the brothers' legacy. New York will be free once more."
[[ray fillet wave warrior]]
this one seems pretty strong
In many bumble builds it draw you two cards a turn, if you play around a more aggro strategy it could be significantly more
[[super combo]] is also really strong and scales well to fit casting exactly two spells
Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it leaves the battlefield, create a Mutagen token for each +1/+1 counter on it. (A Mutagen token is an artifact with "
,
, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
: Exile target card from a graveyard. Create a Mutagen token.
Ozolith effect is fine, but making a mutagen while eating gy cards? Fuck yeah
[[mutagen man]] makes this ability free btw
[[mutagen man, living ooze]]
[[Party dude]]
Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, each player creates a Food token.

: Level 2
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.

: Level 3
Whenever one or more of your opponents are attacked, up to one target attacking creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
Any viridian revel enjoyers look here
oh cool golgari eating good AGAIN
color me SURPRISED
how many times are we gonna break necropotence.....
I feel like [[Mutant BFF]] is the best Mikey atm
Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
Each creature you control with a counter on it can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Whenever Michelangelo enters or attacks, create a Mutagen token. (It's an artifact with "
,
, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
4/4
well ideally any creature youre buffing w bumble has flying anyways but yea i wouldnt wanna get chump blocked by multiple weak flyers or anything
It definitely is
[[Herald of Secret Streams]]
might as well just make them unblockable
see now THAT would definitely a be worthy addition to any bumbleflower deck
Could be. Flying is usually enough. Or universe trample givers that are less vulnerable
I used to run that in Raffine, but recently took it out. An army of fliers is usually plenty.
That’s a great point lol
4 mana slot is too competitive and this card puts a giant target on our backs
It's good, don't get me wrong, but unless it's winning the turn it comes down I don't want to be casting it
In which case [[Akromas Will]] is better
What about [[duskshell crawler]] and [[bramblewood paragon]]
Creature — Insect
When this creature enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
Each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it has trample. (It can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
They often perch on street lamps, causing the poles to buckle under their weight.
0/3
I think both are very solid options considering how cheap they are
I prefer Sphere Grid for the same effect. Or Kodama if you play basics
[[Sphere grid]] is good stuff
A mana rock with late game utility is great
damn wait thats goated and definitely going into my bumbleflower deck
a mana rock AND util?
wait only creature spells nvm
not so good in my storm deck
but actually might still be good. its cheap cost means it will go towards the storm count
[[Rikku, Resourceful Guardian]] works similarly.
Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature, until end of turn, that creature can't be blocked by creatures your opponents control.
Steal —
,
: Move a counter from target creature an opponent controls onto target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Rikku-approved item coming up!"
2/3
Also yeah, Herd Heirloom is just an all star for any deck that casts creatures and/or builds up the power of their creatures.
[[gift of immortality]] seems good protection for bumbles
sure it doesnt bring back the counters, but anythign to keep such a commander dependent deck going is good
i already run [[bear umbra]] as protection
ozolith my beloved
That's in there too
yea it's so much upside for only 1 mana
I don't like the Ozolith
I think it's heavily overplayed tbh
Why protect the counters when you can just protect the creature that's holding the counters
I’ve played the Ozolith in several decks and it has been potential card every time
i mean its 1 mana, its just a cheap removal burn at least
id kill someone for more kiya bumbleflower alt arts tbh
i like kiyas bumbleflower so much i actually kinda hate the original art
Pretty sure murderer is illegal
it is
Or at least frowned upon
What would be good tmnt cards to put in here
[[mutagen man]]
[[the living ooze]]
No card found for “the living ooze”
[[Mutagen Man, Living Ooze]]
WHAAAAAAT THE HELL
I knowwwwww !!!!! 😭
I want them so bad and she said she wasn’t doing any artist proofs ;-;
I think there's only gonna be two sold at that event maybe? so maybe in the future theyll do more
im hoping 🙏
that art on the back is so cute
It is so damn cute
I want the one on the left of this
I would fly to Kyoto for that
First pass on this, I’ll hit it again in the morning (focusing on effects which specifically target an opponent to draw; I think I want to add +1/+1 counter synergies too?)
I want to be clear - I’m not brewing this as a Nekusar deck, I’m brewing it as Jund Bumbleflower
Weirdly I never thought about the "draw your second card" synergies with Nekusar. I even have a Nekusar deck. Lol
Oh ha, lol. Yeah I familiarized myself with all the “second card/spell” effect when building my [[winter misanthropic]] deck which plays like a Jund Nekusar lol
You miss out on a lot of second card effects not having blue though in winter
Ik
I see you also saw the facebook/tiktok post
Ehe yeah lmao
Saw it on instagram
Funnily enough my birthday is in October so
Anyway, I’m sitting in a car the next 4 or so hours so I am gonna deep dive my thoughts on my current bumble list
I agree, but threads have always felt janky to me so I haven't really noticed
They 100% are. I should have an option to pin threads I want always-available but there isn’t an it pisses me off
There's the option to "follow" threads but afaik that doesn't actually change anything lol
Okay so, I’ve been looking at the flurry cards I’ve included thus far. Many of them sounded good in theory but lately haven’t been playing well. I need to get more reps in with the deck but tbh the biggest thing I’ve noticed is this:
Flurry cards take way too long or require too much setup for too little payoff
When you send a message in a thread, it auto-follows the thread by default. Issue is, it may follow it but it won’t stay in your threads list under the #1020353936592470147 thing
Some flurry cards are excellent, but those tend to be the ones that give extra value. The french twins have been lovely, honorary jellyfish french twin has been great, ledger shredder as always is sick as hell - stuff like Aligned Heart and Cosmogrand Zenith always seem to fall flat or end up being discarded to hand size.
Now MAYBE i just need to adjust expectations but that’s what I’m seeing currently.
Giving counters to something other than bumbleflower has, more often than not, been a secondary choice. As much as I wanted to do it, for some reason I am just not seeing creatures at early enough points in the game that it becomes worth it. What I AM wondering, though, is if I need to add some more counters synergies to push that more.
Tidus has been on my mind for a while - I think he should go back in.
I think the next time I get to play commander it’s gonna be stretching bumbleflower’s muscle a LOT more, shaking off the rust, and REALLY getting an understanding of how I feel about the current list.
I do feel that it's quite creature light
But that's why we use cosmogrand zenith to make tokens
Cosmogrand is fine and all
Just feels like I don’t really even start doing anything until turn 8 or so
Bracket 3 🤷
I do find that counters lets you win faster
Flurry tends to be "look at me, I'm drawing lots of cards and taking lots of actions" but not actually getting close to a win
Meanwhile an ouroboroid that survives a turn cycle probably wins you the game
@sand island i’m thinking of trying out a form of millflower leaning into group hug a bit
I like ramp, I like card draw
Why don’t I win with ramp and card draw
lol
My list has a lot of issues, and I need to primarily fix the landbase
But that was mostly my goal as well
Mind posting your list again?
It's a little unfocused and requires a lot of tuning
Hmmmmmmm I wonder if I should include spark jace and lab man
I feel like that would cause it to be too much leaning on that
I also wanna ramp to the sky
Make a T O N of mana, and ideally USZ someone to death
USZ?
[[blue sun’s zenith]]
And untapping with wilderness rec or muse to reuse it
Ha. Have you seen scryfall today?
April fools came early
Yeah they were talking about it over in #magic-chat, it goes so hard
I wanna see someone run [[Storm seeker]] with this hahaha
I'm running [[black vise]] and [[iron maiden]] for repeatable versions
But storm seeker is a funny callout
I don’t think I’d wanna run either of thise
Yeah they don't seem the best, especially since they attack opponents on a different axis
Prepared seems like a good mechanic for bumble
Hey I tried to look for a bumbleflower discord but there wasn’t one so I’m gonna ask here. But would anyone want to buy a ms bumbleflower raised foil
Hey, we can’t facilitate this per rule 4 of the server. Sorry. Do you have experience selling/trading in cards?
Oh i see, My apologies, i didnt realzie, i can take down my text per the rule. A little bit, I have that card and wanted to know if their was any interest
i dont have a bumbleflower deck
but bumbleflower does counters
therefore [[bioshift]] is a cool spell
So [[pensive professor]] is insanely good
Creature — Human Wizard
Increment (Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana you spent is greater than this creature's power or toughness, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, draw a card.
"To the patient mind, no problem is unsolvable."
0/2
If you increment AND use bumble’s trigger it’s 2 cards
Plus it’s effectively a 3 mana version of the sage
Are you running both?
No, I’m not sure you’d want to either
Prepared seems so good for flurry
Thats making me want to rebuild her.... Muh wallet

What's the pulse on the Leveilleur twins lately? I'm still not 100% sold on them.
Like them a lot
I like them but I’m leaning more towards taking them out and making them a deck of their own
I had thought about this. All the flurry is in azorius anyway
I like bumble as a counters commander
Enchantment
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, put a rally counter on this enchantment. Then create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess for each rally counter on it. (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, the token gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When hearts and minds align, so too do actions.
Bumble had been killed a couple times and was basically not helpful at all anymore
Aligned heart was really fun to use without worrying about triggering bumble twice
The only thing is... [[seedborn muse]] is probably the best flurry enabler
Eh
True, but in azorius you have unwinding clock
And most of your ramp is artifacts anyway
I was thinking of azorius heliod too
I am probably cutting tithe for seedborn
Though I'm not sure which is more obnoxious
[[wildthicket archaic]] looks neat
No card found for “wildthicket archaic”
Just bought bumbleflower precon and i gotta say theres some really good cards in here
Im still not sure how she wins exactly
But ive been meaning to get a group hug for the longest time
Imo the precon is too high mana value. If you really lower the curve, it becomes easy to have commander damage become the wincon because you can buff Bumbles so quickly.
I wanna keep her in at least bracket 3
I have smothering and rhystic ready to rock but i feel like if i add those 2 i would ruin any chances i have of it being a group hug and just being dog piled by the table
I personally think smothering tithe is too easy for Bumbles
I don't think she needs any game changers. You will draw aggro that you don't want
Bumbles can easily snowball out of control. In my experience, you want to try to stay out of the limelight as long as possible
But I also think smothering tithe should be banned. It's a dumb, unfun card
She draws so many cards you don't need rhystic study. It's just going to draw more aggro that you don't need
Im guessing i cant play too much stax like deafening silence and ethersword cannonist either yeah?
Deafening silence would ruin your own gameplan. Why would you want to do that?
Same with ehtersword
you want to double spell every turn. That just makes it more difficult for you to do so
Imo, Bumbles works best as a control/counters deck
Put in lots of cheap removal and counters support so you can easily remove the things that might hurt you while making bumbles huge. You need a way to regain parity with giving away cards, and I think removal is better for that than stax
not to mention that stax is mostly frowned upon in bracket 3 anyway
this is my list - https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA
I don't run any game changers in my list, but if I did [[Seedborn Muse]] is probably the best in bumbles
followed by [[Consecrated Sphinx]], althoguh you can just run [[The Unagi of Kyoshi Island]] instead
Imo stax isn’t frowned upon so much as “hard control, no one gets to play” is
Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Flash
Ward—Waterbend
. (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays
. They can tap their artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for
.)
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw two cards.
5/5
Sure. I just don't see how limiting the number of spells being cast would help Bumbles when that's her MO
Oh yeah that type of stax is bad for bumbles
If you really want protection, run [[spike weaver]]
Or [[ghostly prison]]
I run that too
I'm gonna try cutting the twins and adding [[shrieking drake]] and [[collective restraint]]
[[Germination Practicum]]
Wouldn’t paradigm satisfy one of bumbles cast triggers?
Yes
well that seems very good
5 mana for tons of counters and free cast triggers? that's insane
I'm totally cutting Collective Restraint for that
if you have [[communal brewing]] out with something that makes additional counters, does that mean it would enter with 8 counters?
Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on this enchantment, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on this enchantment.
oh nm those are only +1/+1 counters that get affected by something like hardened scales
but general token doublers would work
Wait, there's a dwarf fortress SLD?
apparetly so
Apparently it's just been announced a few days ago
How do we feel about [[berta wise extrapolator]] just did a prerelease and splashed blue for it and kept thinking how good the first ability would be for the deck
Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Increment (Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana you spent is greater than this creature's power or toughness, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Berta, add one mana of any color.
,
: Create a 0/0 green and blue Fractal creature token and put X +1/+1 counters on it.
1/4
It's like a simic birgi for us
It would rarely get counters with my build since my deck is so low cmc, so I think this would be very dependent on what flavor of Bumbles you are running.
Then it could actually work really well as a mana battery if your deck is low cmc- you just put the bumble counters on Berta and refund a mana every spell
My deck is basically voltron/control
I ran her quite differently than a lot of people, with a lot of aikido stuff and copying effects
Nice
My bumble does a great job of drawing lots of cards and ramping, but it seems like all I have is ramp and card draw so I dont close out the game fast enough
Any ideas? Ouroboroid is usually a good finisher but I rarely find it
Thinking of adding a couple of tutors for reliability
More counters shenanigans, and also being able to sit for a couple extra turns while you clean up. Like she does take a little time to kill everyone so it probably takes a couple rotations after you have a winning position
I also run nexus of fate and that tends to help the process along well
Do you run the cards you can repeatedly cast for more counters triggers?
Whitemane Lion, Shrieking Drake, View from Above
This is why I think Bumbles is good with super low CMC so you can just cast tons of spells each turn and Bumbles just grows on her own
Pretty high cmc, but [[canopy gargantuan]] is really cool
I also like [[quilled greatwurm]]
Creature — Wurm
Trample
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage during your turn, put that many +1/+1 counters on it. (It must survive to get the counters.)
You may cast this card from your graveyard by removing six counters from among creatures you control in addition to paying its other costs.
7/7
^^
I just added [[Germination Practicum]]. That's doing everything you could ever want. Counters and free cast triggers.
I run this in [[felix]]. Doubling the counters trigger is wild.
It being ANY combat damage is so insane
It reminds me of a power crept version of [[Vigor]]
Vigor is such a classic
One of my favorite plays was I had [[lurking predators]] out in my [[ojer kaslem]] deck, and my board was huge. Someone cast blasphemous act, and my lurking predators flipped into Vigor, so Vigor took the brunt of the blasphamous and gave everything +13/+13
Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever Ojer Kaslem deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. You may put a creature card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
When Ojer Kaslem dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
6/5
Temple of Cultivation
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth.)
: Add
.

,
: Transform this land. Activate only if you control ten or more permanents and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec sacred lands. Ojer Kaslem brought them to life.
I've updated this deck, wanted to run more group huggy effects
Group huggy is more fun!
Ayyy gluntch in the best
I gotta update bumble for the last couple of sets I haven’t touched her in a while. Definitely finding a place for [[pensive professor]] and potentially [[berta wise extrapolator]] for more froggy fun
Creature — Human Wizard
Increment (Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana you spent is greater than this creature's power or toughness, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, draw a card.
"To the patient mind, no problem is unsolvable."
0/2
Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Increment (Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana you spent is greater than this creature's power or toughness, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Berta, add one mana of any color.
,
: Create a 0/0 green and blue Fractal creature token and put X +1/+1 counters on it.
1/4
Yeah this guy is nuts
I was curious about Berta, it just feels like a sort of weird version of Smothering Tithe because you put the counters of Berta rather than Bumble
And it "refunds" you one mana
What's your guys' favorite group hug effects for this kinda thing? I'd probably like to avoid the fully symmetrical ones, and the ones I don't have any real control over.
Kwain is a STRONG maybe in this regard. I also added a few more effects that drop extra lands for me
Because of the absurd quantity and quality of the draw in this deck
It’s not necessarily group hug but [[generous patron]] !!! Also obviously [[gluntch the besower]] because he’s amazing and kinda adorable.
Right, the otag "selective group hug" also doesn't offer super interesting results
Seconded Generous Patron, basically stormed off one time using it then goaded the creature I pumped and was able to get someone killed with it lol
Are there any deck lists in here that arent close to 5000 bucks
A lot of those prices include the foil multiplier - the base price is far cheaper. There are also likely budget alternatives for the cards which are still pricy
I see is there any way on moxfield to see prices without foil?
Umaru’s original list is like $7.5k, but that’s because he has ABUR duals and expedition fetches/shocks
Afaik the only way is to duplicate the list, then mass-change all the printings to “Cheapest” (there’s a button at the top)
Gooootcha ill try looking into that
Here’s umaru’s list set duplicated and set to cheapest.
The mana base is $1.4k out of the $1.9k total cost - which is because it still has ABUR duals.
There are loads of budget alternatives which won’t meaningfully impact the gameplan
ABUR duals? Im unfamiliar
[[tropical island]] often also called “true duals” they are the ten two-typed lands with no downside, originally printed in Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, and Revised
As part of the reserved list, they haven’t been reprinted in paper since the 90’s and are thus several hundred dollars each
But for all intents and purposes, outside of cedh they can be replaced by [[yavimaya coast]], [[dreamroot cascade]], or another duallands
Perfect thanks
We all play different bumble too. I play her counter voltron and you are welcome to look
Here’s my bumble list
Cute lil bnuy with a lot of alt win cons
I strongly recommend people check out running [[Teferi temporal pilgrim]]. There has been very few times I HAVEN’T ulted him in at most a couple turn rotations.
Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
Whenever you draw a card, put a loyalty counter on Teferi.
0: Draw a card.
−2: Create a 2/2 blue Spirit creature token with vigilance and "Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on this token."
−12: Target opponent chooses a permanent they control and returns it to its owner's hand. Then they shuffle each nonland permanent they control into its owner's library.
Loyalty: 4
I could ult him in 1-2 turns with my deck
I need to upgrade my bumble
I keep finding that I cast a lot of spells but don't close out
Need to add more gas
Have you been running [[proft’s eidetic memory]]? I’ve retooled my bumbleflower and added it back in and man, is it a house
Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.
I've been off it but it is good
Don’t use my list as a ref, my list is not a normal bumble +1/+1 deck, mine is control and alt win cons
Maybe [[hardened scales]] and [[the ozolith]] would help?
Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control leaves the battlefield, if it had counters on it, put those counters on The Ozolith.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if The Ozolith has counters on it, you may move all counters from The Ozolith onto target creature.
As it twists, so does all life around it.
Ah... so good to return to form with Bumbleflower. The deck just feels so smooth so often as it is in my original list.
Also I posted it in #cards-and-bling but I got a new toy for Bumble
That is a fancy toy!
Which list are you currently on
Vamp, fow and cyc rift are likely gonna be the only silver scrolls I don't get
Unless someone is willing to massively trade down
So much trade fodder
My “Ms Bumbleflower Power Hour” List got updated.
Nice! Averaging £1.39 a card is neat
Gonna relist the decklist
It's very fun in this mode too!
clean
Planeswalkers focused huh
Draw lots ramp lots
Planeswalkers play really nice with a very defensive deck like this - people basically never get through the bunny, which makes sending multiple creatures through to hit a walker a tough sell
Plus there’s a few proliferate effects that work super well here, AND the two teferis I have in here both play insanely well with this deck
And yeah, 99% of the deck is ramp and draw to get more ramp and draw
Do you also play bant tamiyo?
Ya know
Woah, that’s a lot of money
yeah its kinda bad
The issue is finding someone who’s willing to pay that much for an average of £1.39 or if you’re gonna get money for the expensive stuff and get pennies on the dollar for the bulk
Well like it's a bit more concentrated than that
What are people's thoughts about [[Consecrated Sphinx]] in a flash-enabler focused deck with Seedborn?
Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6
Con sphinx is one of the strongest bumbleflower cards full stop
That and smothering tithe/heliod
What a silly little guy
My GC slot is already full lmao
Smoth,Rhystic,Toracle
I'm wondering if it's a bit too oppressive
I faced one yesterday in another Bant deck
Would lab man not be better than thoracle so you can add another gc? Or is the 1mv extra not worth?
I run spark jace
War jace is also good redundancy
Just finished pricing out my Bumbleflower deck

Is half of the deck price lands?
Huge chunk of it is for sure
This actually doesn’t include two of the expedition shocks because mana pool didn’t have prices for them
Or the dual lands, but I’m fine w that because I’m proxying them anyway
You at MagicCon Amsterdam?
I'm a maybe right now
Would be funny to meet someone from this server a friend and myself are 100% there and looking for people for a private draft draft, commander games etc. 🫡
You know what would be really funny
Making [[oath of druids]] work better in bumbleflower
Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player chooses target player who controls more creatures than they do and is their opponent. The first player may reveal cards from the top of their library until they reveal a creature card. If the first player does, that player puts that card onto the battlefield and all other cards revealed this way into their graveyard.
Cheap enchantment, all of our creatures are quite relevant
And technically it does feed whatever recursion you have
And talk about being group hug!
Honestly this idea kinda rips
I might put this in my Zimone, Mystery Unraveller big flips deck
Ey yooooo my fellow Bumblers 🙂
Has someone any clue why our Queen is currently spiking?
In the past I had a list myself but rebuilded it into Falco and have to admit that MS. Big Butt was way more fun.
Does anyone mind share their list with me (would preffer a little +1/+1 synergy or theme)? 🙂
The lists are all pinned here

Plus double strike real good
Azorius faerie mastermind isn't bad
This is a good replacement for Trouble in Pairs if you feel like it does too much
Yep
Or if you care about lowering curves, could replace Unagi of Kyoshi Island
If you run Council of Four (you should not), this is just better
I’m not sure what to take out for mine though lol
Tbh I could also see good justification for taking out gluntch for this
Do it
Nahhhhh i added it back in on purpose

So uh
I’m not sure about this one
But it definitely points to other similar effects we’ve had
It’s certainly a good control piece
But bumble makes the control side redundant
But he is also protection
Its baby conc sphinx
Con sphinx gives me two cards for every spell I cast
This gives me one card once a turn
He's referring to King Tchalla
Which is also true as a worse faerie mastermind
Well, worse with an asterisk
I know
Loki is a better version of that one white dog that triggers whenever someone gets a counter
If chulane didn’t exist I would also say that bumbleflower would also be the best legends matter commander
But I guess peter parker also exists
Which peter parker?
[[Peter Parker]]
Legendary Creature — Human Scientist Hero
When Peter Parker enters, create a 2/1 green Spider creature token with reach.



: Transform Peter Parker. Activate only as a sorcery.
"This batch of web fluid will just have to wait!"
0/1
Amazing Spider-Man 



Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Vigilance, reach
Each legendary spell you cast that's one or more colors has web-slinging 

. (You may cast a spell for its web-slinging cost if you also return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand.)
"Time to swing into action!"
4/4
Just found out that the bumbleflower artist is gonna be there so I am gonna have to go
.