#Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

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tall blaze
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Now all your creatures are dorks

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Bloom tender would be nice

pastel agate
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I'm thinking of coming off of Sunstar Lightsmith

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4 mana is a lot to pay, I definitely need to lower my curve and maybe add more ramp

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I'm also thinking of adding Wan Shi Tong

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It's a good dump for my second spell, draws a ton, provides a big beater

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Uthros Psionicist and the french twins have been overperforming in this deck tbh

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They do so well

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I am also thinking of removing Ezuri's Predation for Avwrath

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And tbh? I think flip tamiyo has some real chutzpah here

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Clues give us draw without having to cast a spell if we need to

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And the flip lets us recur removal/counterspells and protect our selves

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The ult is gravy

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Avwrath is real good in bumble period

tall blaze
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Av wrath is one of my favourite cards right now

pastel agate
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I'm not a fan of it generally

tall blaze
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Especially with the demise of farewell

tall blaze
pastel agate
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But this deck specifically makes good use of it

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It's not one sided

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Your creatures get wiped too

tall blaze
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And second spell being 2 pips colourless

tall blaze
pastel agate
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You get one (1)

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That is significantly less than what you'd expect by "not all"

naive basin
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ya know ive been thinkin a lot about what i would do with ms. bumbleflower and it really seems like voltron works the best with her

tall blaze
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I like voltron as a backup strategy

tall blaze
sand island
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I mean, bumbleflower just voltrons without you having to build around it

pastel agate
# tall blaze Any other overperformers you see?

I'm still an enjoyer of Wear Down and Peerless Recycling. I didn't take them out because they were passably useful when I first upgraded the precon, but i've found that those cards actually are just insanely good - They act as a double regrowth/double disenchant on a 2 mana card and synergizes with giving away cards.

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I 100% rec keeping them in

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I sitll really like Bunny Tamiyo but I am looking at it more and more often as a cut option

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And I think cosmogrand zenith might come out for some kind of two drop ramp

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Or some cantrippy thing

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Ozolith might come out for another counterspell

sly torrent
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If you play a lot of low mana spells, especiallly a lot of removal, you can make her huge while also managing the board

naive basin
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I mean it only procs once per turn right?

sand island
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What does?

naive basin
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her every second spell u cast

sand island
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Her counters are for every spell

naive basin
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oh

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shit i can't read

sand island
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It's just if that trigger is the second for the turn, you draw 2

naive basin
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what about a bumbleflower storm deck

pastel agate
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It's 100% doable

naive basin
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I think ill go w that. ive been wanting to make a storm deck

sand island
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I like [[radstorm]]

brave folioBOT
naive basin
naive basin
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so testing it and it seems to work pretty okay

sly torrent
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34 lands is really low for 203 total CMC

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that's only a 56% chance to hit 4 land drops in a row

naive basin
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yea mana is the one issue

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tweaks must be made

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how many u think i should have

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and whats the ratio?

sly torrent
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I run 37 lands with only a 164 total cmc

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13 ramp cards

naive basin
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yep!

naive basin
pastel agate
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Caught me right before going to bed, good timing

naive basin
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bumbleflower w isochron, dramatic reversal exiled, kami and bumbleflower gave me infinite mana so that was cool. i love storm decks

sand island
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isochron gives me nausea

sly torrent
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It also will draw a ton of aggro in a deck where you will want to try to deflect as much aggro as you can

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I don't run any game changers in Bumbles for that reason

naive basin
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just realizing infinite isochron casts mean bumble mills everyone

sly torrent
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True, which then opens up the question, "is this just a combo deck now?"

crystal quest
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^^worth it to include grand abolisher and friends for that exact reason (drawing everyone’s deck) if that’s your preferred wincon

naive basin
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well i wanted to try making a cEDH deck with bumble so yea i think im gonna go w that. i just have absurd tutors and protection attempt to assemble infinite isochron and just mill. i do have aetherflux resevoir as a backup and bumble will be an infinite power creature if unchecked but admittedly if its infinite its game over. so the idea would be protecting the engine at all costs

naive basin
naive basin
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no no its no good umaru

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upon second glance its a got a bunch of midgame value engines that arent really that good if i intend to combo as fast as possible. it would just dilute my card draws

naive basin
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ok i did get it to turn 6 infinite pretty consistently even against interaction but not heavy. does require more testing.

naive basin
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ok got it to turn 4 against another bracket 4 so i think ill trim the three fluff and leave it as is

tall blaze
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@pastel agate you inspired me to bite the bullet

pastel agate
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Hell yeah

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Nice work! I’ll have to send pics of the proxies I have, I prefer them to the real deal but those are sick too

tall blaze
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These aren't going in a deck though

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Can't be putting nm duals in a deck and risk them

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Ht these mean I can proxy to my hearts content

pastel agate
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Gotta play the fancies!!

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Why do you think I play my serialized card, masterpiece sol ring and raised foil Bumble

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I single sleeve that serialized card too, it slaps

tall blaze
sly torrent
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I used to have 2x each Revised dual lands back in the 90s, but that collection is long gone. I can't bring myself to get new ones when I only spent $20/pop on those almost 30 years ago.

tall blaze
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I love the idea of just owning them

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As relics

sly torrent
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My one old nostalgia card is my copy of Survival of the Fittest in my Henzie deck

tall blaze
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not sure if bumble card but just busted af card in general

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what the fuck

solemn hamlet
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Its pretty good

pastel agate
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Good clone, 10/10

tall blaze
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3 mana non legendary clone is busted

pastel agate
tall blaze
pastel agate
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I have a jin deck

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It's so fun

sly torrent
# tall blaze

A shame this won't work with my [[edea possessed sorceress]] clones deck

brave folioBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Ward mana2
At the beginning of combat on your turn, gain control of target creature an opponent controls until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn.
Whenever a creature you control but don't own dies, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control and you draw a card.
2/5

sly torrent
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Because cloning edea at begining of combat won't cause an additional edea trigger

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and that's the whole point of having a bunch of clones in the deck

pastel agate
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It would on the next turn at least

tall blaze
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I think I need to build jin to be less ramp focused and more curve into small things and pls jin on 4

pastel agate
tall blaze
sly torrent
sly torrent
sly torrent
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Irma can also become a copy of something I steal if I wanted to

sly torrent
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Maybe replace [[breath of fury]] with Irma. That’s kind of a pipe dream card for it to chain off in Edea

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Yeahhhhh.... Breath of Fury is a combo piece but it is HARD to pull off

tall blaze
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Part of the problem is I'm avoiding theft cards

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Which seem to be the majority of ninjas

sly torrent
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There’s lots of great combat damage abilities out there. I have a Felix deck

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[[Gríma, Saruman's Footman]]

brave folioBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Gríma can't be blocked.
Whenever Gríma deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then that player puts the exiled cards that weren't cast this way on the bottom of their library in a random order.
1/4

sly torrent
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[[Dazzling Sphinx]]

brave folioBOT
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Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then that player puts the exiled cards that weren't cast this way on the bottom of their library in a random order.
4/5

sly torrent
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Of course both are theft, but deck theft doesn’t technically take any resources from the person like board or hand theft

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[[gonti night minister]]

brave folioBOT
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Legendary Creature — Aetherborn Rogue
Whenever a player casts a spell they don't own, that player creates a Treasure token.
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, its controller looks at the top card of that opponent's library and exiles it face down. They may play that card for as long as it remains exiled. Mana of any type can be spent to cast a spell this way.
3/4

sly torrent
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[[Orochi Soul-Reaver]]

brave folioBOT
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Creature — Snake Ninja Rogue
Ninjutsu mana3manab (mana3manab, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token and manifest the top card of that player's library. (Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
5/4

sly torrent
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[[Thada Adel, Acquisitor]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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Maybe you’re right about lots of theft, but I see you’re playing Rev

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[[fallen shinobi]]

brave folioBOT
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Creature — Zombie Ninja
Ninjutsu mana2manaumanab (mana2manaumanab, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles the top two cards of their library. Until end of turn, you may play those cards without paying their mana costs.
5/4

sly torrent
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I love theft. I have three theft decks haha. Not including all the theft that’s in Felix

tulip rapids
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[[Willbreaker]]

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tall blaze
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Loving flash speed. Hard casting leyline of anticipation doesn't feel so bad

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Uthros jelly is great

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I need to add seedborn to really go nuts

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Will cut cyc rift for seedborn I think

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Who needs instant speed board wipes when everything is instant speed

pastel agate
brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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All of the Uthros are jellyfish so that doesn’t narrow it down lol

tall blaze
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Fair

sly torrent
naive basin
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im forever shilling bumble storm decks i just won a game with 15 aeve progenitor oozes on the field

tall blaze
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[[hardbristle bandit]] is this anything

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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I've seen people run it, it's good. Could be considered a better 2 drop ramp piece

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Might be good instead of a talisman or something

sly torrent
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i prefer the mana dorks that tap for multiple if they have a counter on them

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that's so easy to make tap for 3

naive basin
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kami of whispered hopes is THE card that enables so much bullshit in my bumblestorm deck

shrewd badger
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A thread just for my new favorite commander, say no more! I know she is super easy to go +1/+1 route, but I definitely leaned into group hug/control. My game plan is to play the table until it's a 1v1, then she is basically unstoppable. Secret win con of milling my opponents out with her forced card draw (ala Dramatic Scepter combo etc.)

naive basin
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dramatic scepter is how I make turn 1 wins on my b5 deck lmfaooo

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I love u bumble flowerrrr

naive basin
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too bad its only once per time BUT I should make a crime deck with bumbleflower lmfaooo

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well crime support is low so sad

icy pendant
naive basin
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the only thing that hurts me is that u have isochron but no dramatic reversal

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so sad

clear aspen
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What tmnt cards you guys adding?

pastel agate
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I know almost nothing from it

crystal quest
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I’m curious about the card draw Krang but not super high on it [[!krang the all-powerful]]

pastel agate
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It could be good w the faerie masterminds but 5 mana suuuucks

sand island
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Yeah 5 mana is a lot

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I also don't care for panharmonicons really

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Especially at 5 mana

pastel agate
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[[baxter fly in ointment]] is fun? Could be cool for a deck focused around that kinda effect

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Big mother mouser seems good

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“Continue?” is just kinda fine? Not a humongous fan of it since I’d rather just run heroic

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[[hidden hideout]] would be really really good if you’ve got the space in your lands

brave folioBOT
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Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.
mana2, manat: Target creature you control with a counter on it gains lifelink until end of turn.
Between ninjas, mutants, and alien bases, the subterranean housing market is shockingly competitive.

clear aspen
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Yea I played prerelease and still know nothing about this set

pastel agate
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[[irma part time mutant]] can copy key creatures

brave folioBOT
clear aspen
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That card looks interesting

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Definitely that one seems the best yet. Maybe the counter doubler turtle guy

pastel agate
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[[leader’s talent]] is good for more budget brews since we have a lot of this effect already.

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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The level 3 shouldn’t be considered but it is a good game ender here

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[[leatherhead iron gator]] is too expensive imo

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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[[leatherhead swamp stalker]] is a fun one though! Not too powerful but it’s basically an aggro version of hopeful initiate

brave folioBOT
clear aspen
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That’s some fun removal!

icy pendant
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pastel agate
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True

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[[Michelangelo mutant bff]] is honestly a really really good card that I wanna pick up a good few copies of

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Constantly popping out mutagens is one thing, but always making blocking unfavorable in bumbleflower is really nice

icy pendant
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It's hard because tbh I honestly hate TMNT as a set on principal

pastel agate
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Sure

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This is all under the assumption that you don’t mind running them

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[[michelangelo weirdness to 11]] is.. okay? Like putting hardened scales on another creature is okay but not for an extra mana i think. Also [[ozolith shattered spire]] is just too good

brave folioBOT
clear aspen
pastel agate
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[[mikey and leo chaos and order]] is another, better copy of dusk legion duelist

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “mikey and leo chaos and order”

pastel agate
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[[mikey & leo chaos and order]]?

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pastel agate
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Whatever scryfall

clear aspen
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That seems strong

pastel agate
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[[mona lisa ever adaptable]] is pretty decent too - I like mutagen tokens a lot

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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It helps when bumble is trying to cast exactly two spells a turn, you likely end up with extra mana

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[[Mona lisa science geek]] is honestly not as good as other options in the same space, unless reach is REALLY that important to you

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pastel agate
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Oh shit! New explosive veggie!

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[[new generations technique]]

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pastel agate
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[[ray fillet wave warrior]]

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pastel agate
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this one seems pretty strong

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In many bumble builds it draw you two cards a turn, if you play around a more aggro strategy it could be significantly more

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[[super combo]] is also really strong and scales well to fit casting exactly two spells

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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And bumble can kill several things

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I’m a REALLY big fan of [[the ooze]]

brave folioBOT
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Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it leaves the battlefield, create a Mutagen token for each +1/+1 counter on it. (A Mutagen token is an artifact with "mana1, manat, Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
manat: Exile target card from a graveyard. Create a Mutagen token.

pastel agate
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Ozolith effect is fine, but making a mutagen while eating gy cards? Fuck yeah

naive basin
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[[mutagen man]] makes this ability free btw

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naive basin
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[[mutagen man, living ooze]]

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solemn hamlet
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[[Party dude]]

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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, each player creates a Food token.
mana1manag: Level 2
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.
mana4manag: Level 3
Whenever one or more of your opponents are attacked, up to one target attacking creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of cards in your hand.

solemn hamlet
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Any viridian revel enjoyers look here

naive basin
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color me SURPRISED

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how many times are we gonna break necropotence.....

tulip rapids
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I feel like [[Mutant BFF]] is the best Mikey atm

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naive basin
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well ideally any creature youre buffing w bumble has flying anyways but yea i wouldnt wanna get chump blocked by multiple weak flyers or anything

pastel agate
sly torrent
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[[Herald of Secret Streams]]

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sly torrent
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might as well just make them unblockable

naive basin
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see now THAT would definitely a be worthy addition to any bumbleflower deck

sly torrent
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Could be. Flying is usually enough. Or universe trample givers that are less vulnerable

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I used to run that in Raffine, but recently took it out. An army of fliers is usually plenty.

pastel agate
tall blaze
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4 mana slot is too competitive and this card puts a giant target on our backs

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It's good, don't get me wrong, but unless it's winning the turn it comes down I don't want to be casting it

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In which case [[Akromas Will]] is better

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naive meteor
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What about [[duskshell crawler]] and [[bramblewood paragon]]

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naive basin
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I think both are very solid options considering how cheap they are

tall blaze
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I prefer Sphere Grid for the same effect. Or Kodama if you play basics

sly torrent
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[[Sphere grid]] is good stuff

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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Plus it makes bumbles an amazing blocker

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[[Herd Heirloom]] also great

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sly torrent
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A mana rock with late game utility is great

naive basin
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damn wait thats goated and definitely going into my bumbleflower deck

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a mana rock AND util?

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wait only creature spells nvm

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not so good in my storm deck

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but actually might still be good. its cheap cost means it will go towards the storm count

sly iris
brave folioBOT
sly iris
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Also yeah, Herd Heirloom is just an all star for any deck that casts creatures and/or builds up the power of their creatures.

sly torrent
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[[gift of immortality]] seems good protection for bumbles

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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sure it doesnt bring back the counters, but anythign to keep such a commander dependent deck going is good

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i already run [[bear umbra]] as protection

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sly torrent
naive basin
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can we talk about how goated ozolith is btw

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i love it sm

sly torrent
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yea it's so much upside for only 1 mana

pastel agate
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I don't like the Ozolith

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I think it's heavily overplayed tbh

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Why protect the counters when you can just protect the creature that's holding the counters

mortal jolt
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I’ve played the Ozolith in several decks and it has been potential card every time

naive basin
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i mean its 1 mana, its just a cheap removal burn at least

solemn hamlet
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Oh maaaaan I wish I could go

naive basin
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id kill someone for more kiya bumbleflower alt arts tbh

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i like kiyas bumbleflower so much i actually kinda hate the original art

mortal jolt
naive basin
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it is

mortal jolt
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Or at least frowned upon

naive basin
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to some people at least

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i mean can u BLAME ME? the alt is ICONIC

serene heath
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What would be good tmnt cards to put in here

mortal jolt
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[[mutagen man]]

brave folioBOT
mortal jolt
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[[the living ooze]]

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “the living ooze”

mortal jolt
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[[Mutagen Man, Living Ooze]]

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pastel agate
solemn hamlet
pastel agate
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I want them so bad and she said she wasn’t doing any artist proofs ;-;

solemn hamlet
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I think there's only gonna be two sold at that event maybe? so maybe in the future theyll do more

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im hoping 🙏

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that art on the back is so cute

pastel agate
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It is so damn cute

pastel agate
naive basin
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its so GOOD

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absolutely feral for more kiya bumbleflower art

tall blaze
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I would fly to Kyoto for that

uncut scarab
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I want to be clear - I’m not brewing this as a Nekusar deck, I’m brewing it as Jund Bumbleflower

shrewd badger
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Weirdly I never thought about the "draw your second card" synergies with Nekusar. I even have a Nekusar deck. Lol

uncut scarab
brave folioBOT
shrewd badger
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You miss out on a lot of second card effects not having blue though in winter

pastel agate
uncut scarab
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Saw it on instagram

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Funnily enough my birthday is in October so

pastel agate
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Okay so I’m disappointed

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My discord stopped following this thread

uncut scarab
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oh?

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eh discord's been weird with me about threads

pastel agate
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Anyway, I’m sitting in a car the next 4 or so hours so I am gonna deep dive my thoughts on my current bumble list

uncut scarab
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I agree, but threads have always felt janky to me so I haven't really noticed

pastel agate
pastel agate
uncut scarab
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There's the option to "follow" threads but afaik that doesn't actually change anything lol

pastel agate
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Okay so, I’ve been looking at the flurry cards I’ve included thus far. Many of them sounded good in theory but lately haven’t been playing well. I need to get more reps in with the deck but tbh the biggest thing I’ve noticed is this:

Flurry cards take way too long or require too much setup for too little payoff

pastel agate
pastel agate
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Now MAYBE i just need to adjust expectations but that’s what I’m seeing currently.

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Giving counters to something other than bumbleflower has, more often than not, been a secondary choice. As much as I wanted to do it, for some reason I am just not seeing creatures at early enough points in the game that it becomes worth it. What I AM wondering, though, is if I need to add some more counters synergies to push that more.

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Tidus has been on my mind for a while - I think he should go back in.

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I think the next time I get to play commander it’s gonna be stretching bumbleflower’s muscle a LOT more, shaking off the rust, and REALLY getting an understanding of how I feel about the current list.

tall blaze
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But that's why we use cosmogrand zenith to make tokens

pastel agate
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Cosmogrand is fine and all

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Just feels like I don’t really even start doing anything until turn 8 or so

tall blaze
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I do find that counters lets you win faster

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Flurry tends to be "look at me, I'm drawing lots of cards and taking lots of actions" but not actually getting close to a win

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Meanwhile an ouroboroid that survives a turn cycle probably wins you the game

pastel agate
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@sand island i’m thinking of trying out a form of millflower leaning into group hug a bit

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I like ramp, I like card draw

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Why don’t I win with ramp and card draw

sand island
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lol

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My list has a lot of issues, and I need to primarily fix the landbase

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But that was mostly my goal as well

pastel agate
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Mind posting your list again?

sand island
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It's a little unfocused and requires a lot of tuning

pastel agate
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Hmmmmmmm I wonder if I should include spark jace and lab man

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I feel like that would cause it to be too much leaning on that

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I also wanna ramp to the sky

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Make a T O N of mana, and ideally USZ someone to death

sand island
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USZ?

pastel agate
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[[blue sun’s zenith]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Ahh ofc

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I like the idea of [[folio of fancies]] a lot too

brave folioBOT
sand island
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And untapping with wilderness rec or muse to reuse it

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Ha. Have you seen scryfall today?

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April fools came early

pastel agate
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Yeah they were talking about it over in #magic-chat, it goes so hard

solemn hamlet
brave folioBOT
sand island
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I'm running [[black vise]] and [[iron maiden]] for repeatable versions

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But storm seeker is a funny callout

pastel agate
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I don’t think I’d wanna run either of thise

sand island
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Yeah they don't seem the best, especially since they attack opponents on a different axis

sand island
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Prepared seems like a good mechanic for bumble

spring narwhal
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Hey I tried to look for a bumbleflower discord but there wasn’t one so I’m gonna ask here. But would anyone want to buy a ms bumbleflower raised foil

pastel agate
spring narwhal
glossy fox
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i dont have a bumbleflower deck

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but bumbleflower does counters

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therefore [[bioshift]] is a cool spell

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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So [[pensive professor]] is insanely good

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pastel agate
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If you increment AND use bumble’s trigger it’s 2 cards

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Plus it’s effectively a 3 mana version of the sage

uncut scarab
pastel agate
sand island
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Prepared seems so good for flurry

solemn hamlet
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Thats making me want to rebuild her.... Muh wallet

sand island
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What's the pulse on the Leveilleur twins lately? I'm still not 100% sold on them.

pastel agate
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I like them but I’m leaning more towards taking them out and making them a deck of their own

tall blaze
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I like bumble as a counters commander

pastel agate
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So an example

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I had [[aligned heart]] out

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Bumble had been killed a couple times and was basically not helpful at all anymore

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Aligned heart was really fun to use without worrying about triggering bumble twice

tall blaze
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The only thing is... [[seedborn muse]] is probably the best flurry enabler

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Eh

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True, but in azorius you have unwinding clock

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And most of your ramp is artifacts anyway

tall blaze
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I was thinking of azorius heliod too

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I am probably cutting tithe for seedborn

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Though I'm not sure which is more obnoxious

sand island
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[[wildthicket archaic]] looks neat

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “wildthicket archaic”

fair tangle
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Just bought bumbleflower precon and i gotta say theres some really good cards in here

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Im still not sure how she wins exactly

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But ive been meaning to get a group hug for the longest time

sly torrent
fair tangle
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I wanna keep her in at least bracket 3

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I have smothering and rhystic ready to rock but i feel like if i add those 2 i would ruin any chances i have of it being a group hug and just being dog piled by the table

sly torrent
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I personally think smothering tithe is too easy for Bumbles

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I don't think she needs any game changers. You will draw aggro that you don't want

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Bumbles can easily snowball out of control. In my experience, you want to try to stay out of the limelight as long as possible

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But I also think smothering tithe should be banned. It's a dumb, unfun card

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She draws so many cards you don't need rhystic study. It's just going to draw more aggro that you don't need

fair tangle
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Yeah i figured as much

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I cant be drawing too much aggro

fair tangle
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Im guessing i cant play too much stax like deafening silence and ethersword cannonist either yeah?

sly torrent
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Deafening silence would ruin your own gameplan. Why would you want to do that?

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Same with ehtersword

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you want to double spell every turn. That just makes it more difficult for you to do so

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Imo, Bumbles works best as a control/counters deck

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Put in lots of cheap removal and counters support so you can easily remove the things that might hurt you while making bumbles huge. You need a way to regain parity with giving away cards, and I think removal is better for that than stax

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not to mention that stax is mostly frowned upon in bracket 3 anyway

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I don't run any game changers in my list, but if I did [[Seedborn Muse]] is probably the best in bumbles

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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followed by [[Consecrated Sphinx]], althoguh you can just run [[The Unagi of Kyoshi Island]] instead

mortal jolt
brave folioBOT
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Legendary Creature — Serpent
Flash
Ward—Waterbend mana4. (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays mana4. They can tap their artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for mana1.)
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw two cards.
5/5

sly torrent
mortal jolt
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Oh yeah that type of stax is bad for bumbles

sly torrent
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If you really want protection, run [[spike weaver]]

brave folioBOT
mortal jolt
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Or [[ghostly prison]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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I run that too

sly torrent
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I'm gonna try cutting the twins and adding [[shrieking drake]] and [[collective restraint]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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[[Germination Practicum]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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Wouldn’t paradigm satisfy one of bumbles cast triggers?

sly torrent
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well that seems very good

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5 mana for tons of counters and free cast triggers? that's insane

sly torrent
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I'm totally cutting Collective Restraint for that

sly torrent
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if you have [[communal brewing]] out with something that makes additional counters, does that mean it would enter with 8 counters?

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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oh nm those are only +1/+1 counters that get affected by something like hardened scales

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but general token doublers would work

sand island
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Wait, there's a dwarf fortress SLD?

sly torrent
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apparetly so

sand island
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Apparently it's just been announced a few days ago

clear aspen
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How do we feel about [[berta wise extrapolator]] just did a prerelease and splashed blue for it and kept thinking how good the first ability would be for the deck

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Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Increment (Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana you spent is greater than this creature's power or toughness, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Berta, add one mana of any color.
manax, manat: Create a 0/0 green and blue Fractal creature token and put X +1/+1 counters on it.
1/4

tall blaze
sly torrent
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It would rarely get counters with my build since my deck is so low cmc, so I think this would be very dependent on what flavor of Bumbles you are running.

solemn hamlet
sly torrent
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But I need counters on Bumbles to bunny smash

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99% of the counters I make go to her

solemn hamlet
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Ahh

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Valid

sly torrent
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My deck is basically voltron/control

solemn hamlet
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I ran her quite differently than a lot of people, with a lot of aikido stuff and copying effects

sly torrent
solemn hamlet
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Nice

tall blaze
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My bumble does a great job of drawing lots of cards and ramping, but it seems like all I have is ramp and card draw so I dont close out the game fast enough

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Any ideas? Ouroboroid is usually a good finisher but I rarely find it

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Thinking of adding a couple of tutors for reliability

pastel agate
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I also run nexus of fate and that tends to help the process along well

sly torrent
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Whitemane Lion, Shrieking Drake, View from Above

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This is why I think Bumbles is good with super low CMC so you can just cast tons of spells each turn and Bumbles just grows on her own

sand island
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Pretty high cmc, but [[canopy gargantuan]] is really cool

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
brave folioBOT
sand island
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^^

pastel agate
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It’s better imo than canopy

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Because it can come back ezpz

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And works immediately

sly torrent
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I just added [[Germination Practicum]]. That's doing everything you could ever want. Counters and free cast triggers.

brave folioBOT
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pastel agate
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It reminds me of a power crept version of [[Vigor]]

brave folioBOT
sly torrent
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Vigor is such a classic

sly torrent
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One of my favorite plays was I had [[lurking predators]] out in my [[ojer kaslem]] deck, and my board was huge. Someone cast blasphemous act, and my lurking predators flipped into Vigor, so Vigor took the brunt of the blasphamous and gave everything +13/+13

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Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever Ojer Kaslem deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. You may put a creature card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
When Ojer Kaslem dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
6/5

Temple of Cultivation
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth.)
manat: Add manag.
mana2manag, manat: Transform this land. Activate only if you control ten or more permanents and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec sacred lands. Ojer Kaslem brought them to life.

tall blaze
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Swapping tithe for seedborn

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I think both are annoying but tithe less

pastel agate
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I've updated this deck, wanted to run more group huggy effects

clear aspen
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Group huggy is more fun!

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Ayyy gluntch in the best

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I gotta update bumble for the last couple of sets I haven’t touched her in a while. Definitely finding a place for [[pensive professor]] and potentially [[berta wise extrapolator]] for more froggy fun

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Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Increment (Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana you spent is greater than this creature's power or toughness, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Berta, add one mana of any color.
manax, manat: Create a 0/0 green and blue Fractal creature token and put X +1/+1 counters on it.
1/4

pastel agate
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I was curious about Berta, it just feels like a sort of weird version of Smothering Tithe because you put the counters of Berta rather than Bumble

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And it "refunds" you one mana

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What's your guys' favorite group hug effects for this kinda thing? I'd probably like to avoid the fully symmetrical ones, and the ones I don't have any real control over.

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Kwain is a STRONG maybe in this regard. I also added a few more effects that drop extra lands for me

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Because of the absurd quantity and quality of the draw in this deck

clear aspen
brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Right, the otag "selective group hug" also doesn't offer super interesting results

solemn hamlet
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Seconded Generous Patron, basically stormed off one time using it then goaded the creature I pumped and was able to get someone killed with it lol

vital shadow
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Are there any deck lists in here that arent close to 5000 bucks

uncut scarab
vital shadow
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I see is there any way on moxfield to see prices without foil?

uncut scarab
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Umaru’s original list is like $7.5k, but that’s because he has ABUR duals and expedition fetches/shocks

uncut scarab
vital shadow
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Gooootcha ill try looking into that

uncut scarab
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There are loads of budget alternatives which won’t meaningfully impact the gameplan

vital shadow
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ABUR duals? Im unfamiliar

uncut scarab
# vital shadow ABUR duals? Im unfamiliar

[[tropical island]] often also called “true duals” they are the ten two-typed lands with no downside, originally printed in Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, and Revised

brave folioBOT
uncut scarab
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As part of the reserved list, they haven’t been reprinted in paper since the 90’s and are thus several hundred dollars each

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But for all intents and purposes, outside of cedh they can be replaced by [[yavimaya coast]], [[dreamroot cascade]], or another duallands

brave folioBOT
vital shadow
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Perfect thanks

clear aspen
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We all play different bumble too. I play her counter voltron and you are welcome to look

warped coral
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Here’s my bumble list

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Cute lil bnuy with a lot of alt win cons

pastel agate
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I strongly recommend people check out running [[Teferi temporal pilgrim]]. There has been very few times I HAVEN’T ulted him in at most a couple turn rotations.

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Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
Whenever you draw a card, put a loyalty counter on Teferi.
0: Draw a card.
−2: Create a 2/2 blue Spirit creature token with vigilance and "Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on this token."
−12: Target opponent chooses a permanent they control and returns it to its owner's hand. Then they shuffle each nonland permanent they control into its owner's library.
Loyalty: 4

warped coral
tall blaze
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I need to upgrade my bumble

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I keep finding that I cast a lot of spells but don't close out

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Need to add more gas

pastel agate
brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I've been off it but it is good

sand island
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I like it a lot

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I need to reassemble my list

tall blaze
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Oh actually I am on it haha

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but its on my cut list

warped coral
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Maybe [[hardened scales]] and [[the ozolith]] would help?

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Ah... so good to return to form with Bumbleflower. The deck just feels so smooth so often as it is in my original list.

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Also I posted it in #cards-and-bling but I got a new toy for Bumble

tall blaze
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Vamp, fow and cyc rift are likely gonna be the only silver scrolls I don't get

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Unless someone is willing to massively trade down

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So much trade fodder

pastel agate
pastel agate
pastel agate
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Gonna relist the decklist

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It's very fun in this mode too!

solemn hamlet
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clean

tall blaze
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Draw lots ramp lots

pastel agate
# tall blaze Planeswalkers focused huh

Planeswalkers play really nice with a very defensive deck like this - people basically never get through the bunny, which makes sending multiple creatures through to hit a walker a tough sell

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Plus there’s a few proliferate effects that work super well here, AND the two teferis I have in here both play insanely well with this deck

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And yeah, 99% of the deck is ramp and draw to get more ramp and draw

pastel agate
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Ye, but moreso because it’s a pet card for that deck

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[[!Tamiyo|BLC]]

pastel agate
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Ya know

warped coral
tall blaze
pastel agate
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The issue is finding someone who’s willing to pay that much for an average of £1.39 or if you’re gonna get money for the expensive stuff and get pennies on the dollar for the bulk

tall blaze
tall blaze
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What are people's thoughts about [[Consecrated Sphinx]] in a flash-enabler focused deck with Seedborn?

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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That and smothering tithe/heliod

sand island
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I got the SLD con sphinx and I love it

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[[!consecrated sphinx|SLD]]

sand island
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What a silly little guy

warped coral
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Smoth,Rhystic,Toracle

tall blaze
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I'm wondering if it's a bit too oppressive

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I faced one yesterday in another Bant deck

sand island
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I mean, GCs aren't s solid rule

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It is oppressive

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But so are those others

uncut scarab
pastel agate
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I run spark jace

uncut scarab
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War jace is also good redundancy

pastel agate
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Just finished pricing out my Bumbleflower deck

sand island
warped coral
pastel agate
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This actually doesn’t include two of the expedition shocks because mana pool didn’t have prices for them

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Or the dual lands, but I’m fine w that because I’m proxying them anyway

wintry pine
tall blaze
wintry pine
# tall blaze I'm a maybe right now

Would be funny to meet someone from this server a friend and myself are 100% there and looking for people for a private draft draft, commander games etc. 🫡

pastel agate
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You know what would be really funny

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Making [[oath of druids]] work better in bumbleflower

brave folioBOT
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Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player chooses target player who controls more creatures than they do and is their opponent. The first player may reveal cards from the top of their library until they reveal a creature card. If the first player does, that player puts that card onto the battlefield and all other cards revealed this way into their graveyard.

pastel agate
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Cheap enchantment, all of our creatures are quite relevant

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And technically it does feed whatever recursion you have

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And talk about being group hug!

sand island
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Ooh, it has a futuresight border too

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MB2 coming in clutch

uncut scarab
tall blaze
wintry pine
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Ey yooooo my fellow Bumblers 🙂

Has someone any clue why our Queen is currently spiking?

In the past I had a list myself but rebuilded it into Falco and have to admit that MS. Big Butt was way more fun.

Does anyone mind share their list with me (would preffer a little +1/+1 synergy or theme)? 🙂

sand island
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The lists are all pinned here

pastel agate
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Damn yeah what is happening

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Base printing is like $7 rn

pastel agate
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FUCK

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I don’t wanna 😭

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But like

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I gotta

sand island
pastel agate
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Plus double strike real good

sand island
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Azorius faerie mastermind isn't bad

pastel agate
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This is a good replacement for Trouble in Pairs if you feel like it does too much

sand island
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Yep

pastel agate
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Or if you care about lowering curves, could replace Unagi of Kyoshi Island

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If you run Council of Four (you should not), this is just better

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I’m not sure what to take out for mine though lol

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Tbh I could also see good justification for taking out gluntch for this

sand island
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Do it

pastel agate
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Nahhhhh i added it back in on purpose

sand island
pastel agate
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So uh

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I’m not sure about this one

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But it definitely points to other similar effects we’ve had

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It’s certainly a good control piece

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But bumble makes the control side redundant

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But he is also protection

uncut scarab
pastel agate
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It is not

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It’s a worse faerie mastermind

uncut scarab
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No?

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Oh sure

pastel agate
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Con sphinx gives me two cards for every spell I cast

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This gives me one card once a turn

sand island
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He's referring to King Tchalla

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Which is also true as a worse faerie mastermind

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Well, worse with an asterisk

pastel agate
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I know

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Loki is a better version of that one white dog that triggers whenever someone gets a counter

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If chulane didn’t exist I would also say that bumbleflower would also be the best legends matter commander

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But I guess peter parker also exists

sand island
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Which peter parker?

pastel agate
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[[Peter Parker]]

brave folioBOT
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Legendary Creature — Human Scientist Hero
When Peter Parker enters, create a 2/1 green Spider creature token with reach.
mana1managmanawmanau: Transform Peter Parker. Activate only as a sorcery.
"This batch of web fluid will just have to wait!"
0/1

Amazing Spider-Man mana1managmanawmanau
Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Vigilance, reach
Each legendary spell you cast that's one or more colors has web-slinging managmanawmanau. (You may cast a spell for its web-slinging cost if you also return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand.)
"Time to swing into action!"
4/4

tall blaze