Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[broken tulip]

But it also concerns me to give people cards and a reason//target for those cards

[sand island]

It's not exclusively voltron

[broken tulip]

Yeah you're right on that, I'm just a big hater

[sly torrent]

That’s why I play tons of removal to counteract all the cards I’m giving away

But yea, I'm usually not big on voltron. Bumbles is my only voltron/counters deck

I like it though

I just like how many decision points that deck gives you. It's challenging.

[broken tulip]

She's a very interesting voltron commander, since you don't need to bring equipment

She draws and grows herself. But what you do with the rest is interesting

What I've pointed out are some of her flaws, which I've tried to overcome

Cause i spent waaaaay too much money in a raised foil, i have to get some playable deck out of her

[sly torrent]

lol facts

My build has proven very consistent in my playgroup but we have basically no combo players and few sudden wincons

So if it comes down to a scrum, I can often make bumbles bigger than anything else or just blast anything scarier out of the sky

[tall blaze]

My bumble only has a 44% win rate

I should maybe improve the deck more

but my weakness is just board wipes

As I have minimal recursion and not that many creatures

[sand island]

I mean, that's a very high win rate

[sand island]

I'd consider decreasing power level tbh

[broken tulip]

44? Where's the other 56%?

[tall blaze]

I think that having a deck which isn't immediately scary and letting others pop off first results in higher win rates

My bracket 2 breena deck (made intentionally weak, not just a bracket 3 with no GCs) has an even higher win rate than bumbleflower

And I only play it in b3

Because people aren't scared of it so can play the long game

[steep salmon]

44% is still nearly double the expected win-rate of the format. This indicates something outside of the normal is happening. Either you're playing above bracket average, you're particularly good at politics, your sample size is too small to draw a proper conclusion from, or you've stumbled upon some holy grail of secret tech that you're hiding from us. ( this last one is a /j )

[broken tulip]

Politics commander demands politics

I do think 44 is high, but not because of the "everyone should be at 25%"

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe you're skill gaping people

[steep salmon]

I assume you've done that in advance. If you're just playing in general population against complete randoms then it still seems a bit high, but not unreasonable. Though I'd still likely lump that in with tainted sample size.

[sand island]

It's just weird to be looking at the winrate and thinking the deck needs improved.

[tall blaze]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

This is the list, which doesn't seem out of balance for bracket 3

And this is my 45% winrate breena... https://moxfield.com/decks/wtmu6l7V1UyAyZ_FvMxVjw

Hard to bring power level of breena further down, I'm playing things like [[Ornithopter]] and [[battelfield raptor]] lmao

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/233/ornithopter

Ornithopter <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact Creature — Thopter
Flying
"It has been my honor to improve on Thran's original design. Perhaps history will remember me in some small part for my work." —Urza, in his apprenticeship
0/2

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/3/battlefield-raptor

Battlefield Raptor <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Bird
Flying, first strike
It wheeled upward, away from the shrieks and thunder. It reached the point where sky met smoke, and, but with a glance at the horizon, aimed itself and dove.
1/2

[tall blaze]

Bumbleflower wins on average on turn 9.64, breena 10.75

Those don't feel like power outliers

[tall blaze]

Sample size for bumbleflower is 51 games, which is admittedly small

And typically playing with randoms

[steep salmon]

you'd want to throw out all those random games where people are heavily skill diffferenced and it's usually not something people keep track of in public games often.

[tall blaze]

I don't think that is a metric that you can really quantify

[sand island]

Every game with me has a massive skill difference 😎

[tall blaze]

i imagine playing with randoms offers some level of benefit and it would be worse with a consistent playgroup

Though my actual playgroup irl plays at lower power, which is why I made the breena deck

That said theres a guy in the TCC discord with a 69% win rate

Which is wild

[sly torrent]

I think there’s way too much skill variance in magic to expect 25% across the board

And the rock, paper, scissors nature of some deck combos

Especially in casual commander. Even more especially when you have old vs newer players. Entrenched players with higher skill and threat assessment I think often sweep games even with much weaker decks just by knowing the game.

[tall blaze]

I think combo decks generally will outperform in b3 because most people aren't really ready for them

They expect "fair" combat (or non-combat damage) based stuff that is telegraphed

[sly torrent]

Hell, often slower decks helmed by a skilled player are even more likely to sneak wins because people will underestimate a slow deck without immediate board presence. A lot of people are very bad at magic

[tall blaze]

There is generally a visible gap of people who run removal and people who don't

I've had some games where there is a lot of interaction, both on stack on onboard

and others with near zero which just reward the greediest player

[sly torrent]

And then there’s people that run removal but will always use it the instant they draw it instead of actually waiting for a proper threat

[broken tulip]

Don't think most people are out here gloating about beating "group hug" bumblebutt

[tall blaze]

In my 288 games I've played there are some players who I know are just better than others - at threat assessment, and deck building

I dont mean they have more tutors and combos, I mean they play a healthy amount of interaction

[sly torrent]

Yea im pretty against combo in b3 unless its like 4+ cards that dont include the commander and you have no tutors

And you aren’t trying to play off having no board state the entire time as if to hide the fact you will just combo off eventually

I think lower power combo unfairly takes advantage of lack of card knowledge for most players in lower power tables

If no one else at the table has any idea the cards are even remotely capable of comboing, that feels unfair

[broken tulip]

That's so many caveats

It's a skill issue on your opponent's part too

[sly torrent]

For sure

[broken tulip]

Out of nowhere seems unfair too. Unless you're running out random pieces out, begging to be answered

Cause you would just walk up to x mana and deploy all your pieces at once

[sly torrent]

This is partly why I built Gonti decks. I do win a lot among my established group, and we do have some very high skill players for sure, so I figure if I can win with their cards, no one can fault me haha

But we also play late night at a bar, so often games can get sloppy haha

No one is truly playing ideal magic at 1am

[broken tulip]

Bar magic requires dexterity cards

[sly torrent]

lol oh god

[broken tulip]

Flipping orbs

[sly torrent]

Goblin game

Let’s hide some shit

Plenty of us are old enough to remember chaos orb

That would be funny to sneak one into a deck

[tall blaze]

I have a gonti night minister that I've been wanting to make in paper but I fear that nobody will ever want to play against it

It has a 0% win rate online but has been really fun the couple of times I've gotten it to the virtual table

I built it completely winconless though which is probably why it never wins...

[broken tulip]

I play one as a 100th card. Cycling it if someone gets mad

It's like booster tutor. It's a fun bit, most of the time

[sly torrent]

I have Night Minister and recently switched OG Gonti to Black Cat. Both have no wincons other than theft. I think it’s the way to go with those decks. It makes the wins taste even sweeter

[tall blaze]

Yeah Night Minister is cool. I have rev in the 99 as an option for less chaotic games, but I dont think it could ever win with that

i might try to build it anyway

Maybe I'll add some boring win con like exsanguinate

Its basically a worse version of my breena deck - small evasive things to try to hit people

[sly torrent]

Throw in Roaming Throne, then when you start stealing 10+ cards per turn and making 2 treasure per cast, you’ll scream ahead of the table

[tall blaze]

I actually think it's stronger irl than online since the stolen cards are hidden information

[tall blaze]

Already in!

Oh actually I cut it

[sly torrent]

I used to have this and torment in Gonti but took them out because the temptation to tutor for a win is too strong

[tall blaze]

I dont play any tutors as a rule

Except in my one deck which is [[Cloud, Midgar Mercenary]] since the commander is a tutor

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/10/cloud-midgar-mercenary

Cloud, Midgar Mercenary <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Mercenary
When Cloud enters, search your library for an Equipment card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
As long as Cloud is equipped, if an ability of Cloud or an Equipment attached to it triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
2/1

[sly torrent]

https://moxfield.com/decks/yTWH-tNum0yBKNmcpkN7Dg

I think tutors in og Gonti to grab stuff like conjurers closet to make a flicker engine are fine

The only deck I run tutors in

https://moxfield.com/decks/eAOUM5Lua0WnVvKNSj80Lg

[tall blaze]

https://moxfield.com/decks/2y4LPnd-9UW3W9yBnYBILQ

this is my new gonti but changing it up right now so got a few issues

[sly torrent]

Here’s my new theft/sacrifice and clone deck

https://moxfield.com/decks/p8k9qiUqekilaiu1-v5beQ

[sand island]

I also made night minister. Big fan.

[tall blaze]

I really love [[the regalia]] in mono decks with creatures now

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/267/the-regalia

The Regalia <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Haste
Whenever The Regalia attacks, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a land card. Put that card onto the battlefield tapped and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Crew 1
4/4

[tall blaze]

its just so good

SO GOOD in Hermes (a deck that I still dont actually have yet...)

[tall blaze]

We need a night minister communal brewing thread

[tall blaze]

Lmao, No Mercy is great

I need to add that

[sand island]

I don't know if it's really complex enough to warrant a specific thread tbh

[tall blaze]

Rude

gonti is super complex!

Think of all the 1/1 s with shadow you could run

[sand island]

🤯

Think of the new bitterbloom faerie

[tall blaze]

already added

[sly torrent]

Yea I’m def adding the new bb to my list

[sand island]

My deck is purposefully budget, so I probably won't

[sly torrent]

I’m excited about Edea. I’m gonna proxy a copy to play now until the actual set comes out. I already have the rest of the deck built

It evolved from my old Rakdos theft/sacrifice deck

[tall blaze]

oh god now I'm thinking of actually making gonti in paper

[sly torrent]

https://moxfield.com/decks/-RMJewFBIEip0XcQRSJoQg

[tall blaze]

maybe I just throw it in breena and call it a day

breena is a budget deck so no bitterbloom bearer for her ;_;

[sand island]

We'll see how cheap it is afte rrelease, but I doubt it will be very

[tall blaze]

Unlikely

[wanton pendant]

yo, so ive built bumble as a combo deck, but im starting to see that its a little too slow for my pods strongest decks, i think i should make it more control with combo as a win con. Any insight? https://archidekt.com/decks/8558346/draw_cards_slut_irl

[broken tulip]

So the goal is to assemble infinite mana and infinite cast?

I'm guessing you want to keep this at 3

[wanton pendant]

everyone else in my pod has a bracket 4 deck and im trying to make this one mine, i feel like its getting close but its just a bit too clunky / im still newish to magic (been playing about 1.5 years) so im not aware of many combos

[pastel agate]

Gamers how’s it going

Been a minute

[sand island]

Haven't played my new bumble list yet

[sly torrent]

I'll probably play mine tomorrow night. Last week I got a win with Henzie. Another of my favorite decks.

https://moxfield.com/decks/pwRVjtJHnkqjWQcYupddnQ

The most Timmy of decks

Actually, my [[Ojer Kaslem]] deck is probably my most Timmy of all

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/204/ojer-kaslem-deepest-growth-temple-of-cultivation

Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever Ojer Kaslem deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. You may put a creature card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
When Ojer Kaslem dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
6/5

Temple of Cultivation
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth.)
: Add .
, : Transform this land. Activate only if you control ten or more permanents and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec sacred lands. Ojer Kaslem brought them to life.

[sly torrent]

https://moxfield.com/decks/lN5vomBnAkG7U6lzsoWekg

[tall blaze]

Enjoying bumbling, worried about board wipe resistance

[sand island]

Ojer Kaslem is such a banger.

[sly torrent]

Yea, super fun deck. Also good in basically anything that runs green and big creatures.

[sand island]

Yup. I have it in my Vaevictis deck and it's always great.

[sly torrent]

I'm thinking I should add two more lands to my list and one more low cmc ramp

If I bring it up to 39 lands and 11 3cmc or less ramp, then that's a 70% chance to get Ojer out T4. I think I sould prioritize that since she's the engine that gets the deck going and having extra lands isn't a big deal when she spits them into play so easily.

As busted as it is, I think I can cut Traverse the Outlands for a lower cost ramp piece. Sure it can rocket you ahead mid game, but it does mean taking a turn off and puts a huge target on your head

So can Open the Way, but that can at least still be used T3 to get Ojer out T4

Then I'd need to cut two more for two extra lands

Maybe Giant Adephage and Thunderfoot Baloth? Adephage literally never goes a turn without getting nuked and Thunderfoot's buff maybe isn't totally necessary in such a beefy deck?

Thoughts?

Maybe add Fanatic of Rhonas as my low cost ramp since it will easy tap for 4 mid game

[broken tulip]

Ojer just needs one piece of ramp for this. If you're this excited about ojer and the tempo he provides, you should look increase the number of 5 drops

[sly torrent]

11 3cmc ramp pieces give a 70% chance to hit one T3

[broken tulip]

The problem with 5 drops though, is if you're in bumblebutt, if you play butt into 5 drop. You're not double spelling

[sly torrent]

and 39 lands give 70% chance to hit 4 T4

[broken tulip]

If you're thinking of curve considerations

[sly torrent]

CMC once Ojer is out is meaningless since she just flops them into play regardless

The only curve that matters is getting Ojer out faster

So that's what I'm trying to optimize

[broken tulip]

Then my issue with ojer, is that he's not a bumblebutt card, just a generic good card

[sly torrent]

Oh I mean my ojer deck

[broken tulip]

Oh you butt

[sly torrent]

this has nothing to do with bumbles

[broken tulip]

Why are we discussing it here

[sly torrent]

I got sidetracked loving on Ojer

And you all are very helpful so I figured it's worth a shot

I find most of the other channels asking about other commanders go unresponded to most of the time

[broken tulip]

Sure he's super powerful. Actively trying to get to 5 mana as quickly as possible look to ways produce 2 mana on 1-3

You can make this a density and a quality thing

[sly torrent]

Yep. Cultivate is the real winner on that curve.

Ramping and guaranteeing that last land drop is so clutch

[broken tulip]

The best case scenario is devoted druid on 2. That pushes you to 5 mana on t3

As well as arbor elf + sprawl x wild growth

[sly torrent]

oh yea that is basically a one time sol ring

[broken tulip]

Speaking of sol ring, green sol ring, joraga treespeaker

[sly torrent]

what do you think my two weakest cuts are to squeeze in two lands? I'm thinking Adephage and Thunderfoot

[broken tulip]

I think adephage sucks as a card.

You're already probably beating up most casual players with the sheer card quality kaslem

[sly torrent]

It always gets blasted. It just sounds good in your head.

Yea it's a barrage of timmyness

There are like 3 ur dragon decks in my playgroup, im not afraid to throw green fatties at them

[broken tulip]

And adaphage is only good around people who can't kill it. Thunderfoot has a great benefit of not needing to swing

But i doubt you actually enjoy swinging your mana dorks

[sly torrent]

there's really only like 2 mana dorks

so it's just a general board buff

[broken tulip]

Thundefoot is also sick cause ojer as a land still counts for his buff

[sly torrent]

probably unnecessary compared to other effects like card draw or removal that's on other creatures

[sly torrent]

true

[broken tulip]

And that makes for a unique interaction for this commander, instead of generic green pile (but who can blame you, nothings new under the sun)

[sly torrent]

And there are plenty of games where she gets blasted back to land status a bunch of times

It doesn't take the table long to realize how much value she is

I'm honestly surprsied it's not a more popular commander. #968 according to EDHREC, but I suppose green is spoiled for choice when it comes to big stompy

[broken tulip]

And who can blame you. Practically a primetime on hit

[sly torrent]

The least popular of the ojer cycle somehow

[broken tulip]

Double strike options could be cool. Genji gloves go really hard

[sly torrent]

Yea, but I already have a [[felix]] deck that also runs Ojer if I want to double trouble

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/6/felix-five-boots

Felix Five-Boots <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Ooze Rogue
Menace, ward
If a creature you control dealing combat damage to a player causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Multiple pseudopods and no vital organs make dueling a whole lot easier.
5/4

[sly torrent]

also super fun

[broken tulip]

Brass knuckles is funny everytime

[sly torrent]

I like Sultai actually caring about combat

wow genji is double strike and extra combat

i didnt know about that card

Will there ever be a day when looking for cuts doesn't result in more maybelist cards? I think that's impossible.

[broken tulip]

Naw. That's the beauty of it

[sly torrent]

right?

[broken tulip]

I've got a completed deck, and a maybe box twice as large

[sly torrent]

ok well if not thunderfoot, what do you think is the weakest link to add another land?

might be [[Soul of the Harvest]] at this point as probably the weakest compared to cmc card draw effect

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/432/soul-of-the-harvest

Soul of the Harvest <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
Trample
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, you may draw a card.
It's there when a seed sprouts, when gourds ripen on the vines, and when the reapers cut the grains under the Harvest Moon.
6/6

[broken tulip]

I don't like frostfang

[sly torrent]

deathtouch is so good with trample though

[broken tulip]

Trample is already good enough

It's really hard to block ojer to begin with

[sly torrent]

but more gooder

[broken tulip]

Drawing cards is fine though

Maybe bellowing tanglewurm?

[sly torrent]

That card wins so many games

Easily can make my board unblockable to at least one player

Tough choices, I know. It's a well running deck.

I'm just needlessly adding consistency because I hate my friends

[pastel agate]

I recommend 2 mv ramp

Because it gives you the consistent t3 bumble

[tall blaze]

T3 unprotected bumble is so risky

But I do feel like I need more 2mv ramp

[pastel agate]

Eh. Maybe it’s just my meta but it doesn’t get slapped down that often

People are aggressive towards bumble but people need to be not scared to drop a bumble early

[tall blaze]

Wow, in my lgs if I play a bumble with no protection or other scary shit elsewhere on the board, she gets immediately removed

If she gets removed and can't come back until t5 it's really rough

The changes I've made to the deck have made it more bumble dependent

As I've cut other counter makers

I really need to find a spot for cosmogrand zenith

[broken tulip]

I don't know. Says draw a card, must be good

[pastel agate]

Cosmogrand zenith is sweet

[broken tulip]

My experience is that, i need her to draw 4 cards for her to be worth it. Anymore than that is gravy

So frankly, it is very wise of others to kill her and deny me the draw 4

[sly torrent]

My pod mostly does not play enough removal, which was partly why I built Bumbleflower as a high control deck

Someone needs to be police sometimes

[sand island]

Judy Hops rp

[tall blaze]

Yeah people generally don't play enough removal around my lgs and it rewards greed

[sly torrent]

Yep. I have so many greedy decks

[pastel agate]

Sorry I’ve been away y’all, lots of life stuff happening

I feel a small rework of bumble incoming tbh

Bit of a vision shift towards a few flash enablers and engines to trigger her many many times in one rotation

[tall blaze]

There are so many good flurry cards now that I want to go that route too

Seedborn back on the menu

Played against someone playing Spider-Man 2099 yesterday with a pregame leyline and it was so good

[tall blaze]

And I love it every time I flip Heliod but that's a lot of mana

[ebon parcel]

I can’t wait to play into this

[pastel agate]

Seedborn is a good include if you start running more flash for sure too

[pastel agate]

Hell yeah, I just need to actually catch up on my card choices lol

I usually change my idea before I can even get the cards

Though since it’s the holidays I’mma have no money anyway

[ebon parcel]

It’s ok

U can proxie

Idk why I really like

[[rammus echor]] in this deck

[brave folio]

No card found for “rammus echor”

[pastel agate]

Oh I’m fine proxying, this is just my bling deck

[ebon parcel]

[[ramis echor]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “ramis echor”

[ebon parcel]

Omg

[pastel agate]

Tbh, I need to get a copy because it’s a slam dunk, especially for flurryflower

[ebon parcel]

I can’t spell this stupid enchantment

[pastel agate]

I know what you’re talking about

[ebon parcel]

My bling deck is my hearthhull

[pastel agate]

[[rammas echor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/505/rammas-echor-ancient-shield

Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, draw a card, then create a 0/3 white Wall creature token with defender.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, creatures you control with defender gain exalted until end of turn. (Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each instance of exalted among permanents you control.)

[ebon parcel]

I like playing graveyard and pretty lands too much

[pastel agate]

Tbh it gives exalted too..

[ebon parcel]

Yes

It’s great

[pastel agate]

I finally had @upbeat nebula build Szarel +1/+1 counters and it’s so disgusting

[ebon parcel]

Oh ya I played against it last week

I was on tatyova big creatues

[pastel agate]

I’m gonna help him make it better too

Simic stompy, classic

[ebon parcel]

Died to a 7 mana insurrection

It’s the rakdos one

Where u get to choose odd or even

[pastel agate]

Yeah the board wipe

Tbh that slaps so hard

[ebon parcel]

My creatures just all got stolen from me

[pastel agate]

I need to start running insurrection in Muerra

That + insurrection + rise of the dark realms + Breach the Multiverse

Nasty top end package

[ebon parcel]

For realll

[sand island]

[[wan shi tong, librarian]] seems very good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/78/wan-shi-tong-librarian

Wan Shi Tong, Librarian <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Spirit
Flash
Flying, vigilance
When Wan Shi Tong enters, put X +1/+1 counters on him. Then draw half X cards, rounded down.
Whenever an opponent searches their library, put a +1/+1 counter on Wan Shi Tong and draw a card.
1/1

[steep salmon]

auto-include imo as long as you're playing against people with Fetch Lands etc. ( probably auto-include in b3 and above )

[sand island]

Enough people play terramorphic inw eaker decks, it's probably auto include everywhere

[pastel agate]

I love it

In so many decks

[sand island]

Yeah, it honestly seems like an auto include in any blue deck

[steep salmon]

How did they smoosh Archivist of Ohgma into a Faerie Mastermind and it came out better on the other side.

[tall blaze]

Damn this is a sweet card

[tall blaze]

Might go in my birds deck

[sly torrent]

Last night I got pup, danny, and tefiris insight out and drew like 60 cards in two turns haha

What a silly mix of cards

Oh I also had TIP out

[tall blaze]

Danny and wiz class is a fun one

[ebon parcel]

This seems pretty good

In the bumble flower that wants to cast on everyone’s turn

[sand island]

Oooh

[pastel agate]

Oh hell yeah

Nah just in general

And it’s got flash? Sign me up

[sand island]

Yeah it's so good

[tall blaze]

Fuck there just aren't enough slots in bumbleflower

Can I please have a 200 card deck

I love all my cards

I can't keep cutting lands like an animal

[sand island]

Just make it 200. Nobody will notice.

[ebon parcel]

Can I see y’all’s

Miss bumble flower deck

[broken tulip]

There's a variety of decklists pinned

However none of them are good

We all fall short to the glory that is bumblebutt

[tall blaze]

My bumble is currently very +1/+1 counters heavy but I'm probably going to go more to a flash flurry style

[ebon parcel]

Should I

Buy the precon

Or just build from scratch

@pastel agate I think immma run [[willbreaker]] in it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/84/willbreaker

Willbreaker <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever a creature an opponent controls becomes the target of a spell or ability you control, gain control of that creature for as long as you control this creature.
"Master your mind, or I shall master it for you."
2/3

[sand island]

Will breaker is strong, ya

[ebon parcel]

How are the plainswalker in it

Like teferi

[sand island]

Depends on the planeswalkers, but they are good.

All the teferis, tamiyo, etc are all pretty good

Stuff like [[dreamtide whale]] and otehr prolif help

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/59/dreamtide-whale

Dreamtide Whale <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Whale
Vanishing 2 (This creature enters with two time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from it. When the last is removed, sacrifice it.)
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
7/5

[ebon parcel]

I was considering

[[patroling peacemaker]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/5/patrolling-peacemaker

Patrolling Peacemaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Robot Soldier
This creature enters with two +1/+1 counters on it.
Whenever an opponent commits a crime, proliferate. (They commit a crime if they target an opponent, anything an opponent controls, and/or cards in an opponent's graveyard. To proliferate, you choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
0/0

[pastel agate]

I like it but it’s only best in a +1/+1 counters deck

[ebon parcel]

do i run stuff like

silence

or nah

[ebon parcel]

https://moxfield.com/decks/YHj3zFv6UU-4bXhBeqMaHw

this is my first iternation

[pastel agate]

I wouldn’t, but you could

Could do [[deafening silence]] type stuff if you’re creature heavy etc

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/10/deafening-silence

Deafening Silence <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Each player can't cast more than one noncreature spell each turn.
"They have forsaken their vows. The edict of the Circle demands their voices be silenced." —Syr Tasdale, knight of Ardenvale

[pastel agate]

Any rol you can avoid would be best

[ebon parcel]

Maybe I just more removal in its place

[pastel agate]

That would be best

[ebon parcel]

do u need more than 1 flash enabler?

[sand island]

I run multiple

[ebon parcel]

guys

[[the cabage merchant]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tle/134/the-cabbage-merchant

The Cabbage Merchant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Citizen
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to you, sacrifice a Food token.
Tap two untapped Foods you control: Add one mana of any color.
"My cabbages..."
2/2

[ebon parcel]

isnt this crazy in this deck too

[tall blaze]

not hugely

its just gnerically good

basically mono green lotho

but a bit worse

[ebon parcel]

i feel like for me at least

i would prob get focused

so the food is nice

[sand island]

Seems good with [[unlucky cabbage merchant]] heh

[ebon parcel]

plus extra mana means more spells on everyone's turn

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/201/unlucky-cabbage-merchant

Unlucky Cabbage Merchant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Citizen
When this creature enters, create a Food token.
Whenever you sacrifice a Food, you may search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. If you search your library this way, put this creature on the bottom of its owner's library, then shuffle.
"My cabbages!"
2/2

[ebon parcel]

guys do people run smothering tide in this deck?

or do u just have

so much mana

that u dont need to

[sand island]

Smothering tithe goes in any white deck

[ebon parcel]

like i feel like i might have so much mana alr

[tall blaze]

I need to add these but cuts are so hard

[sand island]

Should be banned tbh

[tall blaze]

Not rly

[ebon parcel]

tide is so oppressive

im just considering it against cyc rift and tef pro

[tall blaze]

tef pro is my love

I run all three

[ebon parcel]

im on

rhystic

tide

and seedborn

[tall blaze]

Seedborn is gonna be better with flash enablers

[ebon parcel]

its all so hard to cut

im on both

heliod

and high fae

also considering [[aboleth spawn]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/662/aboleth-spawn

Aboleth Spawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Fish Horror
Flash
Ward
Probing Telepathy — Whenever a creature entering under an opponent's control causes a triggered ability of that creature to trigger, you may copy that ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
2/3

[ebon parcel]

granted i am also on glen elendra

29 creatures so

[lime elk]

Here is my pillow fort, grouphug, bumbleflower control deck https://moxfield.com/decks/lOQtGO2YsUGRIi80EFOmqg

[pastel agate]

Yes especially bumble

I don’t run it bc that and study are cringe

[ebon parcel]

Oo ok

[lime elk]

Smothering is just so unnecessary in a bant deck that wants to make people draw cards

Like it’s just like an instant win button

Atleast study doesn’t make you a mana for every spell you cast in addition to it’s “normal” effect

[pastel agate]

It’s exactly the right card for bumble, yes. If you want a less annoying version I recommend [[Tataru Taru]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/466/tataru-taru

Tataru Taru <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Advisor
When Tataru Taru enters, you draw a card and target opponent may draw a card.
Scions' Secretary — Whenever an opponent draws a card, if it isn't that player's turn, create a tapped Treasure token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
0/3

[sly torrent]

Unless you are in a very high power pod, I’d recommend considering skipping game changers in bumbles because they can draw a lot of heat in a deck where you want to subvert aggro for as long as possible.

My list is mostly very low cmc spells so I can max double spelling as much as possible with a lot of interaction and protection to combat all the card advantage I have to give out. Make bumbles huge then smash.

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[ebon parcel]

https://moxfield.com/decks/YHj3zFv6UU-4bXhBeqMaHw

i forgot to share

but this is my bumble

for b3

[uncut scarab]

[[oko thief of crowns]] is just nutty in bumbleflower, yeah?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/197/oko-thief-of-crowns

Oko, Thief of Crowns <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Oko
+2: Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
+1: Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3.
−5: Exchange control of target artifact or creature you control and target creature an opponent controls with power 3 or less.
Loyalty: 4

[lime elk]

Oko is nutty in every deck

3 mana for an emblem frogify is worth it

If he gets to do it twice? Actually insane value

[tall blaze]

I never realised what makes this so strong until just now

The creature sticks around but the change can't be undone

[lime elk]

Yeah you hit a commander with that, they have to use a removal spell or let it die in combat to get it back

That’s what makes things like darksteel mutation insane

It’s a removal spell that requires another removal spell to deal with

I’d much rather have someone spend their removal to get their commander back than giving them a free land to exile their commander.

Frogifies are some of the strongest interaction pieces outside of cEDH

[pastel agate]

Yeah I like them but they are rough to play against in some color combos so I tend to avoid them

[lime elk]

Absolutely, I run a deck with about 20 of them and it’s extremely rough to deal with

[sly torrent]

Be prepared for your friends to hate you for running Oko

I personally think it's a pretty mean card. I wouldn't run it outside bracket 4 imo.

And I normally think planeswalkers are really bad in commander. Oko is just a mistake.

A plus ability that is removal is like wtf were they thinking

[broken tulip]

Really? I think it's a great learning moment for b2 and very reasonable to expected for b3

[pastel agate]

Nah

Card sucks to play

Just kinda kills vibes

[sly torrent]

Exactly

Oko in bracket two seems pretty adverse to “let all the decks do their thing”. It can repeatedly shut down commanders, especially if you’re able to protect it. It should have been a minus ability at the very least.

Reducing player agency is always a feels bad at a casual table.

[lime elk]

Yeah but I think it’s how to play it

You could say that about every removal piece in the game

If I path your commander, it’s not letting you do your thing

[sly torrent]

Not every removal piece in the game is repeatable and requires the player to somehow work around it to get their key game piece back

you cant Path every turn

[lime elk]

Put enough of them in your deck and you can

I run a deck with like 25 frogifies

[sly torrent]

and id say a control deck that has removal every turn is probably too optimized for bracket 2

And if you played that deck in bracket 2 I guarantee you the rest of the table is miserable

I run 20 removal cards in my Bumbles list. I wouldn't play it in bracket 2.

I don’t even like playing my bumbles list in a 3 player game because of how much more control it gives me to use per player.

[lime elk]

I mean the bracket system is dog so it doesn’t really matter

[sly torrent]

It seems decently straight forward to me as long as people aren't trying to angle shoot their decks into lower brackets

It has its flaws but I think it reasonably separates decks into vibes based categories that aren't that hard to understand

do you want very casual, optimized but still mostly casual, or do you want sweaty

oko is a sweaty card

[sly torrent]

This seems insane in bumbles

Recasting your own stuff for 2 is almost a feature since you get more bumbles triggers for cheap

And two whole turns with removed blockers. This will probably win most games.

[pastel agate]

That is an insanely good point

That’s rad

[steep salmon]

Imo this is one of the most useful wraths we've had in a while and that is crazy because we just had [[fated clash]] which is also nuts.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/449/fated-clash

Fated Clash <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
You may cast this spell as though it had flash if a creature is attacking and a creature is blocking.
Target creature you control and target creature an opponent controls each gain indestructible until end of turn. Then destroy all creatures.
"I'll show you who's the better man!" —Seifer Almasy

[broken tulip]

This is pretty fabulous

For the same reasons, you will always have 2 mana flicker a creature.

[pastel agate]

Mmmmmm

At 4 mana though?

Could be good in some kind of flickerflower i guess

As a commander what’s really funny with gyatso is you can make creature spells cost 2 less they are just free casts and etbs

[sly torrent]

[[Semblance Anvil]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/som/201/semblance-anvil

Semblance Anvil <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Imprint — When this artifact enters, you may exile a nonland card from your hand.
Spells you cast that share a card type with the exiled card cost less to cast.
Forged from what it forges.

[serene heath]

https://moxfield.com/decks/uO6sljngxk6ELkUvbAzhBQ

What do u guys think

Its very budget

So adding cards that are over a dollar is a no go

[broken tulip]

There's practically no reason to run 2 mana rocks whend you have access to green ramp

[serene heath]

But I only run a few basic lands

[broken tulip]

Rampant Growth
Farseek
Into the North
Glimpse the Core
Sakura Tribe Elder

[serene heath]

This deck already runs farseek

And cultivate

[broken tulip]

I'm just pointing out the 2 drop ramp available

[serene heath]

Gotchu

[broken tulip]

9 basics is more than enough

[serene heath]

What do u think I should cut

[broken tulip]

2 plains, 2 island is enough, up your forests. Need green

No point in playing gilded goose, either play all the dorks or none at all

Why bother with long river's pull when you're not running counterspell yet?

[serene heath]

Well I was gonna run either negate or essence shatter

[broken tulip]

I like pawpatch formation, similar to broken wings

I'm not huge on fogs, however if you must, moment's peace is two fogs in one

I think you'll have trouble closing out games, but that you'll have to figure out

Duelists heritage is a fun card for double striking your opponent's creatures as well

I like hunters talent, the trample on bumblebutt was useful

Herd heirloom was draw and trample

I was trying to find alternative ways to grow my creatures. Collector's cage was pretty cool

Most of the time you could cast the card underneath the same turn to trigger bumblebutt

[serene heath]

What would u cut

[broken tulip]

No clue, that's your job!

I can provide some insights on how I think bumblebutt can be made. But ultimately you get to decide if it's useful

[pastel agate]

You can suggest cuts though lol

That’s, like, the point of this thread

[pastel agate]

There are - I run them in mine due to [[teferi who slows]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/245/teferi-who-slows-the-sunset

Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
+1: Choose up to one target artifact, up to one target creature, and up to one target land. Untap the chosen permanents you control. Tap the chosen permanents you don't control. You gain 2 life.
−2: Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
−7: You get an emblem with "Untap all permanents you control during each opponent's untap step" and "You draw a card during each opponent's draw step."
Loyalty: 4

[pastel agate]

Plus they “refund” thenselves immediately to make double spelling easier

Not to mention it synergizes with effects like [[allisaie]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “allisaie”

[pastel agate]

[[alli leveilleur]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “alli leveilleur”

[pastel agate]

Psh

[[all leveilleur]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/9/alisaie-leveilleur

Alisaie Leveilleur <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Wizard
Partner with Alphinaud Leveilleur (When this creature enters, target player may put Alphinaud Leveilleur into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
First strike
Dualcast — The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
3/2

[sly torrent]

I disagree with this. Fogs are OP in commander

In fact, I think the on board fogs are maybe even better because people will just not attack you when they see it sitting there

Skilled players will know to destroy it or attack into it to force you to pop it, but I think most people won't

Every time someone is figuring out attacks and says you, you can just point at the [[spore frog]] and they will reconsider

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/180/spore-frog

Spore Frog <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Frog
Sacrifice this creature: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
A progenitor of tadpoles and allergies in equal measure.
1/1

[sly torrent]

[[spike weaver]] is of course OP in Bumbles

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/exo/128/spike-weaver

Spike Weaver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spike
This creature enters with three +1/+1 counters on it.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
0/0

[pastel agate]

I still prefer fog frog, its synergies with a few other cards and also jot carrying a 4mv price tag make it quite nice

[sly torrent]

i run both

and [[kami of false hope]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bok/10/kami-of-false-hope

Kami of False Hope <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit
Sacrifice this creature: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
"Across the rift of battle, a bridge of gossamer. And for one moment, it holds." —Snow-Fur, kitsune poet
1/1

[pastel agate]

Not bad lol

[sand island]

Love fog frog

[sly torrent]

and propaganda and ghostly prison of course. Don't be attacking me

Bumbles is usually fat enough to stop big attackers, but the others help against go wide

[sly torrent]

Bah, I still need to find a spot for Avatar's Wrath in my list

This is always so difficult

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[sand island]

[[Monk Gyatso]] is probably good here

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tle/81/monk-gyatso

Monk Gyatso <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Whenever another creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability, you may airbend that creature. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
"My ancient cake-making technique isn't the only thing on your mind, is it, Aang?"
3/3

[sand island]

Turns any spell into a blink(ish)

[steep salmon]

Yeah extra so since we can re-use the permanent casts at a later time to trigger Bumbles 2-spell condition.

[sand island]

Yep yep

[pastel agate]

I feel like there’s a combo to be had with gyatso I’m just not sure what yet

That and like toke said, more casts and etbs

Blinkflower seems like it’d be decent

[steep salmon]

Very much like Nadu. Any 0 cost equip will do a loop and anything that reduces casting costs like [[Sembalance Anvil]] will allow you to free loop it.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/som/201/semblance-anvil

Semblance Anvil <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Imprint — When this artifact enters, you may exile a nonland card from your hand.
Spells you cast that share a card type with the exiled card cost less to cast.
Forged from what it forges.

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/yfGqcmk0JESDFwpxlseQgg

Alright gang here’s what I’ve got for this rn

Lemme know what you think, it was duped from my current deck

It’s still got the main shell of the deck but most of the other voltronny stuff has been gutted in favor of “do x thing for a second time” cards

Need to make space for seedborn and friends

Okay I cut cyc rift and teferi who slows the sunset in favor of seedborn and wilderness rec

[broken tulip]

Gross x gross

[sly torrent]

[[bear umbra]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/113/bear-umbra

Bear Umbra <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, untap all lands you control."
Umbra armor (If enchanted creature would be destroyed, instead remove all damage from it and destroy this Aura.)

[pastel agate]

Hell yeah

[sly torrent]

The added protection for bumbles is nice

[sly torrent]

Thoughts on [[biorganic carapace]]? Thinking about maybe that over Toski

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/124/biorganic-carapace

Biorganic Carapace <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, attach it to target creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card for each modified creature you control." (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
Equip

[sly torrent]

Bumbles is really my main attacker, so Toski often isn’t drawing more than one card most turns. Carapace could easily make that more cards just with a few spread out counters

[lime elk]

I think cards that draw based on X where X is creatures power would be better

Or put some grouphug in and let the whole table draw 4 on their upkeep or something

[sly torrent]

I don’t really run any group hug other than bumbles.

Stuff that feeds the whole table is bad imo. The whole reason bumbles is so good is because the hug is targeted.

[sly torrent]

Is there a combat version of this? Or just the green sorceries like rishkars?

[steep salmon]

[[Lifestream's Blessing]] is instant and much harder to counter, but no free second spell.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/67/lifestreams-blessing

Lifestream's Blessing <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Draw X cards, where X is the greatest power among creatures you controlled as you cast this spell. If this spell was cast from exile, you gain twice X life.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)

[broken tulip]

Hunter's insight and something else

Pretty sure there was a mechanical reprint

[steep salmon]

[[Hunter's Insight]] and [[Hunter's Prowess]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/296/hunters-insight

Hunter's Insight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Choose target creature you control. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker this turn, draw that many cards.
"The predator knows the true way of the world. Life is conflict. Only the strong survive." —Garruk Wildspeaker

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/152/hunters-prowess

Hunter's Prowess <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Until end of turn, target creature gets +3/+3 and gains trample and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw that many cards."
To be counted among the warriors of Setessa's Leina Tower, you must not fear death, only failure.

[tall blaze]

@pastel agate what do you think of [[Storm of Saruman]] over [[Tomb of Horrors Adventurer]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/72/storm-of-saruman

Storm of Saruman <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Ward
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy it, except the copy isn't legendary. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
Isengard had once been filled with fruitful trees, but no green thing grew there in the latter days of Saruman.

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/100/tomb-of-horrors-adventurer

Tomb of Horrors Adventurer <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elf Monk
When this creature enters, you take the initiative.
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy it. If you've completed a dungeon, copy that spell twice instead. You may choose new targets for the copies. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
4/4

[tall blaze]

Much harder to remove

I'm thinking of moving to the flurryflower too

Counters is nice but maybe a bit too strong and linear

Problem with flurry is you are quite dependent on bumble for your draw

Let me know how the deck performs - I love my current bumble and it somewhat hurts to pull it apart so much, but I think this version might be more fun

Especially with seedborn

[pastel agate]

I thought about it, I’m partial to the initiative so that’s why i included it

[sand island]

I also like initiative

[ebon parcel]

No unagi or cabbage merchant?

[pastel agate]

Oh I thought I added them

Rip

[ebon parcel]

Welp time to find new room for them

[sly torrent]

I need room for avatars wrath

Maybe cut curse of the swine for it?

Kinda similar effects but wrath is def better

[tall blaze]

@pastel agate let me know how flurryflower performs

Really tempted to go that route

[steep salmon]

So after a week or so of playing it in limited now I need to reiterate how good I think [[Unagi of Kyoshi Island]] is for this deck. ( since it hasn't been mentioned in a month. )

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/77/the-unagi-of-kyoshi-island

The Unagi of Kyoshi Island <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Serpent
Flash
Ward—Waterbend (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for .)
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, draw two cards.
5/5

[sand island]

Yeah it seems great

[steep salmon]

If you use/like Faerie Mastermind then you'll like this. It plays very similar and is very pesky to remove

[sand island]

Yep. It's Eel Mastermind

[sly torrent]

5cmc is the only thing that’s stopped me so far but I’m still considering jt

I currently only have 1 card above 4cmc and it’s Damning Verdict

[tall blaze]

Yeah I tend to have super super low curves and nothing expensive in my decks

Despite having a healthy amount of ramp

I think it's actually a weakness - it means I recover worse from wipes or in top deck mode

[steep salmon]

I don't have much over 4, but I have a few things. Unagi now, Vorinclex Mon Raider, Farewell, and Seedborn Muse

[sly torrent]

I should prob replace biorganic carapace with unagi

[pastel agate]

Flash saves it imo

[clear aspen]

definitely added this card. Seems amazing for my queen

[tall blaze]

bumblers, what was real and what was bait from avatar now that you've played it a bit

@pastel agate how is flurry doing for you? I havent touched bumble in a while because Hermes has been taking up my time recently

I need to give her a bit more love

[steep salmon]

[[Monk Gyatso]] and [[The Unagi of Kyoshi Island]] are my two standouts from the set.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tle/81/monk-gyatso

Monk Gyatso <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Whenever another creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability, you may airbend that creature. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
"My ancient cake-making technique isn't the only thing on your mind, is it, Aang?"
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/77/the-unagi-of-kyoshi-island

The Unagi of Kyoshi Island <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Serpent
Flash
Ward—Waterbend (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for .)
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, draw two cards.
5/5

[steep salmon]

Monk is way stronger than it seems on the surface with the ability to re-use creature spells to make your 2 spells per turn count.

Oh and [[Wan Shi Tong, librarian]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/78/wan-shi-tong-librarian

Wan Shi Tong, Librarian <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Spirit
Flash
Flying, vigilance
When Wan Shi Tong enters, put X +1/+1 counters on him. Then draw half X cards, rounded down.
Whenever an opponent searches their library, put a +1/+1 counter on Wan Shi Tong and draw a card.
1/1

[steep salmon]

But that is more my pods are fetchland heaven so your mileage may vary with Wan

[pastel agate]

Haven’t gotten the chance to get it together let alone play it, unfortunately. Haven’t touched any of my decks in a couple months

[tall blaze]

The 4 mana slot is so rough in bumble though, makes life hard adding more

[sly torrent]

[[avatar’s wrath]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/12/avatars-wrath

Avatar's Wrath <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hand.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.

[steep salmon]

Oh yeah that wrath is also awesome

[sly torrent]

I need help with a final cut for my Hashaton list I’m building. I decided to squeeze in Maha today, and now I’m stuck.

https://moxfield.com/decks/UQSMlNAdvUCSugRsgB1Z4w

[tall blaze]

I want to up my bumbleflower power a bit, any thoughts?

https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

I'm wondering if counters is really the way to go for power

[broken tulip]

I think the leveilleur twins aren't great

Drawing a card is fine, but the 2 discount isn't hot when your cmc should already be very low

[pastel agate]

You’d also potentially want to run [[ilvoi psionicist]] so why not this too

[brave folio]

No card found for “ilvoi psionicist”

[pastel agate]

Oh whatever scryfall

[[uthros psionici]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/84/uthros-psionicist

Uthros Psionicist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Jellyfish Scientist
The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
"Log entry cycle 33,507: Tenuous perception of psionic activity emanating from Uthros's core. Nature: Nonlinguistic, fragmentary. Content: Isolation, apoplexy. It wants free." —Uthros Combine research notes
2/4

[sly torrent]

I recently added the twins to my deck even though my cmc is super low, and it's actually been a pretty decent add imo

And I don't really have any other flurry support

[[generous pup]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/4/generous-pup

Generous Pup <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Dog
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
They communicate via the universal language of treats.
2/2

[sly torrent]

[[avatar's wrath]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/12/avatars-wrath

Avatar's Wrath <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hand.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.

[sly torrent]

[[glen elendra archmage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/58/glen-elendra-archmage

Glen Elendra Archmage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
, Sacrifice this creature: Counter target noncreature spell.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
2/2

[sly torrent]

[[spike weaver]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/exo/128/spike-weaver

Spike Weaver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spike
This creature enters with three +1/+1 counters on it.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
0/0

[sly torrent]

[[view from above]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[sly torrent]

[[bear umbra]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/113/bear-umbra

Bear Umbra <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, untap all lands you control."
Umbra armor (If enchanted creature would be destroyed, instead remove all damage from it and destroy this Aura.)

[broken tulip]

I'm very fond of ranger captain of eos, finding shrieking drake

Combo piece and protection, very clean

[sly torrent]

Yea definitely good if you want to run tutors

[weak shard]

The commander for this deck is cute, is this a fun deck?

[steep salmon]

It can be quite fun, yes.

[tall blaze]

How do you feel about bear umbra

4 mana is so hard

[sly torrent]

Excellent card. It’s protection and it untaps all your lands

[sly torrent]

It refunds all that mana the same turn though. It’s effectively free

[sand island]

Unless the target is removed

That's usually more of a problem in 1v1, but it still exists in commander

[sly torrent]

Worth the shot for a spell that buffs commander damage, protects your commander, and doubles your mana

[broken tulip]

Weirds me out to double spell before combat

[sly torrent]

You don't need to double spell before combat

Cast Bear Umbra, attack, untap all your lands, second spell after combat

I would go as far as to consider it an auto include in Bumbles

It's always done insane work for me

It does everything the deck wants in one card

I think the umbras in general are slept on as good protection cards

[sand island]

They are good yeah, and green is the best one

[sly torrent]

of coures it's even better if you have lots of instants and can use it to double spell on your turn, untap, then do so again on another turn

[sand island]

Yep, it's like a [[wilderness reclamation]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/205/wilderness-reclamation

Wilderness Reclamation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, untap all lands you control.
"Walls crack. Buildings fall. Always the wilds return." —Domri Rade

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/yfGqcmk0JESDFwpxlseQgg

gamers, I am feeling uncomfortable with test hands in this deck. Anyone have a cut suggestion to add a land for this?

[sand island]

Sol ring

[pastel agate]

I would if I didn’t have a masterpiece to run in this bling deck already

[sand island]

It was worth a shot

[crystal quest]

I’m not sold on Ezuri’s Predation - I’d probably cut that for an MDFC land.

[sand island]

MDFCs are rad. Would recommend.

[sand island]

Honestly, maybe Mangara.

[pastel agate]

I was really trying to lean into the "second thing" theme

I like Ezuri's Predation as a suggestion

[tall blaze]

It's a good board wipe in mono green but you have access to better colours

[sly torrent]

[[avatar's wrath]] [[damning verdict]] [[wave goodbye]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/12/avatars-wrath

Avatar's Wrath <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hand.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict

Damning Verdict <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with no counters on them.
"Guilty as charged!"

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/79/wave-goodbye

Wave Goodbye <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Return each creature without a +1/+1 counter on it to its owner's hand.
Whatever the tide brings in, the shapers can wash away.

[sand island]

Avatar's wrath is the 🐐

[sly torrent]

I recently cut Mangara. He's just fallen behind compared to newer cards

[sand island]

You guys play with Unagi yet?

[pastel agate]

Haven’t gotten my hands on one but when I do

Oh boy

[sand island]

I still haven't tested out my new bumble iteration

"new"

Been busy living the gonti life

[pastel agate]

I’ve just been busy living Real Life unfortunately

Finally got to finish sorting my Doom Tower last night and then put together bones for a Kethis deck, now I need to figure out what needs to go in and out of my current paper bumbleflower

[sly torrent]

Yes, but haven't gotten it out yet

[tall blaze]

I'm thinking of adding unagi to my list. But like I don't play anything more than 4 mana usually

[sly torrent]

I only have two 5 drops in my list

Unagi and Damning Verdict. They both feel good enough to make the cut

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[clear aspen]

I didn’t bring bumble with me over the holidays for our new years eve commander party so I haven’t had a chance to but I did add it to my deck

[pastel agate]

I did, btw. Drew myself out very quickly

[sand island]

Nice

That's what I like to hear

[sly torrent]

Drawing yourself out by accident is always a funny way to lose

[pastel agate]

Oh it wasn’t by accident

I win if that happens

[[nexus of fate]] is a good card

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/plst/M19-306/nexus-of-fate

Nexus of Fate <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Take an extra turn after this one.
If Nexus of Fate would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Nexus of Fate and shuffle it into its owner's library instead.
Sarkhan wandered into a tomb and back in time.

[tall blaze]

How does the new list feel? I have so many changes to make...

[pastel agate]

I’m ngl this is the best it has felt in a long time

You refill so much better when you’re about to play on each players turn

Landing seedborn or wilderness rec is so vital

But not entirely necessary

Just makes go twice as smooth

[tall blaze]

I notice your interaction suite is a bit lighter than expected

I guess all the draw makes that viable

But yeah flurryflower was a dream of mine when I first built her but the support wasn't there

What do you think of taigam? The 4 turn clock is very long...

And storm of Saruman seems very expensive

[pastel agate]

Haven’t casted him yet, but I’m hoping it pans out

[pastel agate]

Expensive but powerful, and with the second spell cost reducers I’ve Hoenstly had no trouble casting big spells

[tall blaze]

I actually recently grabbed a copy because I thought it would be good but I worried that the build becomes too dependent on bumble for the draw. People love to remove the bun

[tall blaze]

How do people feel about [[Devoted Druid]]? Especially in a Flurryflower list, it can provide a good amount of mana

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/104/devoted-druid

Devoted Druid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Add .
Put a -1/-1 counter on this creature: Untap this creature.
"Mana lurks in all things, even in the depths of one's own heart."
0/2

[tall blaze]

Excited at the prospect of [[Leyline of Anticipation]] back on the menu

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation

Leyline of Anticipation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
If this card is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
You may cast spells as though they had flash.

[tall blaze]

[[Voracious Tome-Skimmer]] If the hybrid rule change happens this might be amazing for flurryflower

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/250/voracious-tome-skimmer

Voracious Tome-Skimmer <:manaub:292901509056692224><:manaub:292901509056692224><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
Whenever you cast a spell during an opponent's turn, you may pay 1 life. If you do, draw a card.
She spoils the book before you read it.
2/3

[tall blaze]

[[unwelcome sprite]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/81/unwelcome-sprite

Unwelcome Sprite <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
Whenever you cast a spell during an opponent's turn, surveil 2. (Look at the top two cards of your library. You may put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
2/1

[clear aspen]

Uh oh this card goes nuts in bumble

[sly torrent]

I'd say worse than the original, but more repeateable counterspells sure is scary

[pastel agate]

And you can bank this one’s effect too

[sly torrent]

probably worth running both tbh

might need to just cut a traditional counterspell for it

do people prefer swan song or an offer you can't refuse these days?

[clear aspen]

I prefer swan song tbh. 1/1 flyer is worse than mana

[pastel agate]

Offer

[sly torrent]

2/2, but yea usually totally irrelevant creature

[pastel agate]

I’m not giving them a blocker for my big flyer

[sly torrent]

yea, that's what I was about to say

[glossy fox]

this is still going on?

bumbleflower has got to be like a year old at this point

[pastel agate]

BLB was August of 2024

So nearly two years

[glossy fox]

2024????

[pastel agate]

Yep!

[sly torrent]

Oh yeah. I only built Bumbles a few months ago and she's one of my favorite decks.

Seems like the group has taken her a few different directions as well

[sand island]

[[rhys the evermore]] seems pretty decent

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/32/rhys-the-evermore

Rhys, the Evermore <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
Flash
When Rhys enters, another target creature you control gains persist until end of turn. (When it dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
, : Remove any number of counters from target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/2

[pastel agate]

It’s a one off protection piece but the rest if it is just not helpful

Would rather run dawn’s truce

[sand island]

Yeah probably true

Creatures have butts though

[pastel agate]

I’m ngl I don’t think this set had a ton of relevant bumble cards. I need to do a look at it tho

I wish I had the drive and energy to make a powerpoint for every set lol

[sand island]

Yeah I don't really see many

[pastel agate]

I did make one recently that shows off each of my currently built decks

[sand island]

Well, [[glen elendra guardian]] is a banger

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/51/glen-elendra-guardian

Glen Elendra Guardian <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flash
Flying
This creature enters with a -1/-1 counter on it.
, Remove a counter from this creature: Counter target noncreature spell. Its controller draws a card.
"The home of the fae must be protected."
3/4

[sand island]

Like the other glen elendra faerie

[pastel agate]

The only ones I do see are ones that say “remove a counter”/“blight x”

[sand island]

So much of the set is kindred focused that most don't matter

^^

[pastel agate]

And even then yeah I think that this is all

But I think that card is too oppressive

[sand island]

Yeah for sure

Part of why I took the other one out

[[adept watershaper]] is another that I think is just generically good in most decks

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/3/adept-watershaper

Adept Watershaper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Merfolk Cleric
Other tapped creatures you control have indestructible.
"If even the simplest land-dweller can divert the river with no more than a shovel, just imagine what I can do."
3/4

[sand island]

Not here though probably. Sicne bumble has vigi

[pastel agate]

Yeahhhhh it’s not my favorire for this

I like it a lot

[sand island]

And obviously [[formidable speaker]] - not my type of card, but it's also good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/176/formidable-speaker

Formidable Speaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
When this creature enters, you may discard a card. If you do, search your library for a creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
, : Untap another target permanent.
Jean-Emmanuel Depraz, World Champion XXIX
2/4

[pastel agate]

Since you can just swing away with boards

[pastel agate]

Could be good for more complex or toolboxy bumbles

[sand island]

Yep

speaking of swinging out with everything [[morningtide's light]] honestly seems like a staple in every creature deck in white

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/27/morningtides-light

Morningtide's Light <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile any number of target creatures. At the beginning of the next end step, return those cards to the battlefield tapped under their owners' control.
Until your next turn, prevent all damage that would be dealt to you.
Exile Morningtide's Light.

[pastel agate]

Hmmm

I like it, but it seems like the flicker would be more helpful

It fogging the next turn is because it’s a sorcery

[sand island]

Kinda sucks for the flicker at sorcery speed, but I like it for being useful either way. As a flicker or as blocker removal for an alpha strike, and not worrying about crack back

Creatures entering tapped also means those opponents are open for more attacks.

I don't think I really care about any others

[solemn hamlet]

This card is so so nasty

[sand island]

It really is

[clear aspen]

I’m considering adding it. Definitely adding the new glen elendra but since my boyfriend took my ouroboroid for another deck I have an extra slot to fill

We’ll see what I pull tonight

[tall blaze]

I'm thinking of cutting Ouroboroid

It gets too much hate for a card that usually doesn't win instantly

It's very win more

[delicate eagle]

I wanna brew a deck around [[shared fate]] and I'm wondering if the Bunny isn't like the perfect girl for the job

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/49/shared-fate

Shared Fate <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
If a player would draw a card, that player exiles the top card of one of their opponents' libraries face down instead.
Each player may look at cards they exiled with this enchantment, and they may play lands and cast spells from among those cards.

[tall blaze]

[[Mikey & Leo, Chaos & Order]] Is this a bumble card

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmt/158/mikey-&-leo-chaos-&-order

Mikey & Leo, Chaos & Order <:managw:292901508977000448><:managw:292901508977000448>

Legendary Creature — Mutant Ninja Turtle
Whenever you put a counter on a creature you control, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Their strength hailed not from what they shared, but from how their differences complemented one another.
2/2

[tall blaze]

I see the word counter and draw on a card, I want it

It looks like a better [[Dusk Legion Duelist]] which is already a great card

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/11/dusk-legion-duelist

Dusk Legion Duelist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Vampire Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
"We sailed to Ixalan guided by a promise—the Age of Everflowing Blood. No machine will take that from us."
2/2

[sand island]

Not really better

[pastel agate]

It’s a worse dusk legion

And I don’t even run that

Oh on a creature you control

Still, not worth I don’t think

[tall blaze]

It is functionally the same but lets you put counters on other stuff

[sly torrent]

Could be. Kind of worse [[danny pink]] pr [[terrasymbiosis]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/39/danny-pink

Danny Pink <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Advisor
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Creatures you control have "Whenever one or more counters are put on this creature for the first time each turn, draw a card."
"I don't want to see more things. I want to see the things in front of me more clearly."
4/3

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[tall blaze]

Agreed. But those cards are really good and I would be happy to have redundant versions. Terrasymbiosis is amazing

I'm on the fence about cutting ouroboroid

[sly torrent]

Would be easier to trigger then [[Alphinaud Leveilleur]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/33/alphinaud-leveilleur

Alphinaud Leveilleur <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Wizard
Partner with Alisaie Leveilleur (When this creature enters, target player may put Alisaie Leveilleur into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Vigilance
Eukrasia — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, draw a card.
2/4

[sly torrent]

I’m still unsure how I feel about the twins

Are people still running them?

[pastel agate]

I am

[clear aspen]

The twins have given me soo much value. They are perfect for bumble

And I run bumble +1 counters

[pastel agate]

Mine is flurry so it fits even better there but still

[tall blaze]

I like them

Though I feel like I need more temp

Ramp

And seed born probably

[sly torrent]

Are you running all the mana dorks that tap for 3 with only a single counter?

those are nice to have

[tall blaze]

I am not actually but maybe I should

I just so prefer land ramp

But if I'm going to be adding seedborn then those do become more appealing

[sly torrent]

[[Incubation Druid]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/302/incubation-druid

Incubation Druid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Add one mana of any type that a land you control could produce. If this creature has a +1/+1 counter on it, add three mana of that type instead.
: Adapt 3. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put three +1/+1 counters on it.)
0/2

[sly torrent]

[[Kami of Whispered Hopes]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/196/kami-of-whispered-hopes

Kami of Whispered Hopes <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spirit
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a permanent you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that permanent instead.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is this creature's power.
Nashi knelt reverently before the kami and envisioned his family reunited.
1/1

[sly torrent]

of course [[freestrider lookout]] is goat

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

[pastel agate]

Freestrider lookout is so goddamn good here

It’s just Nadu Lite

[clear aspen]

[[tataru taru]] is honestly one of the best newer cards for bumble imo though. Card is nuts.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/30/tataru-taru

Tataru Taru <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Advisor
When Tataru Taru enters, you draw a card and target opponent may draw a card.
Scions' Secretary — Whenever an opponent draws a card, if it isn't that player's turn, create a tapped Treasure token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
0/3

[pastel agate]

Yeah dude I wanna get the chocobo version

It’s gonna be so cool in bumble

[tall blaze]

I have the chocobo bundle one and it's sick

But I play the surge foil one in my bumble for now

[tall blaze]

I'm amazed at how often I whiff on freestrider

Moving to a flurryflower approach soon, away from heavy +1/+1 counters focus

I probably want to be running more revision then. I always find I am a bit weak to board wipes in general especially with lowish creature count

Thinking about putting c sphinx in but feels kinda busted

[tulip rapids]

Here's a list of 10 cuts/10 additions for 50 bucks~ I did

Additions
Gluntch, The Bestower
Evolution Witness
On the Trail
Path to Exile
Approach of the Second Sun
Homunculus Horde
Freestrider Lookout
The Second Doctor
Starfall Invocation
Counterspell

Cuts
Jolly Gerbils
Sunscorch Regent
Fisher's Talent
Secret Rendezvous
Tenuous Truce
Steelburr Champion
Mr. Foxglove
Baird, Steward of Argive
Perplexing Test
Tamiyo, Field Researcher

[sly torrent]

I have 37 lands so it rarely whiffs, but it certainly does sometimes

[tulip rapids]

The only one I'm not 100 percent sold on is Homunculus

[sand island]

Homunculus is fun if you can copy it with [[machine god's effigy]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/brc/16/machine-gods-effigy

Machine God's Effigy <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
You may have this artifact enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's an artifact and it has ": Add ." (It's not a creature.)
: Add .
Gix ensured his most loyal followers were the first to taste Phyrexian perfection.

[tulip rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9P0F6m_Zmlg?feature=share

[sand island]

Really the only one I'm against in your additions is Approach, since it's underwhelming to win with after the first time.

[tulip rapids]

Also, this short seems topical

Well, I figured I'd want a noncombat wincon

Apart from Simic Ascendancy

[sand island]

The removals are all reasonable, though I still like Tamiyo

[tulip rapids]

Mr. Foxglove seems more like a build around

[sand island]

Yeah, he's not great here

[pastel agate]

Maldhound is funny, he's very much overexaggerating and oversimplifying

There is no space for nuance in a maldhound video

[tulip rapids]

I noticed that in his Ashling vs Auntie Ool comparison

[sand island]

You have to be firm and certain if you want to be sensational

[tulip rapids]

It fuels COUNTERS GEORGE

[sly torrent]

I feel called out

[sly torrent]

although I would never play the cards that prevent other players from drawing additional cards. That's just too mean for B3

[pastel agate]

It's also a nonbo with my faerie mastermind

[sand island]

And unagi!

[sly torrent]

yea and trouble in pairs and smuggler share

those can draw me so many cards for each one i give out

[pastel agate]

Man I love that kind of effect

Punish players for playing the game by letting me play more of the game

😈

[sly torrent]

Right

I don't like removing player agency. I just want to have more agency than they do.

[pastel agate]

Fun isn't a zero sum game, but I'm still gonna have more than everyone else

[solemn hamlet]

dude the willbreaker flashing on screen got me lmao

[sly torrent]

I did not know about this card

that seems very mean and funny

[pastel agate]

It's one of those cards I understand is perfect for this deck, but I absolutely cannot justify running it in anything but the nastiest version of this deck

[solemn hamlet]

I like punishing people for their card choices

Yes I'll take your hydra omnivore thanks

[tall blaze]

I should really put smugglers share back in huh

[sly torrent]

it can draw so many cards so easily with bumbles

i had a game with trouble in pairs and smugglers share out at the same time

it was bonkers

pair that with one of the repeatable casts like [[whitemane lion]] and you go ham

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

[pastel agate]

It’s a fourth copy of faerie mastermind that can ramp you

[tall blaze]

I feel like I have a lot of draw and ramp but not enough stuff to draw and ramp into

[pastel agate]

Bumble gets you there usually

[tall blaze]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

I haven't updated in too long

Haven't made changes since EOE I think

[pastel agate]

I have several cards that either pump out tokens or buff creatures

https://moxfield.com/decks/yfGqcmk0JESDFwpxlseQgg

Or make beaters

[clear aspen]

Considering [[wistfullness]] as an addition.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/252/wistfulness

Wistfulness <:mana3:292901508771610624><:managu:292901509035851788><:managu:292901509035851788>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, exile target artifact or enchantment an opponent controls.
When this creature enters, if was spent to cast it, draw two cards, then discard a card.
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters.)
6/5

[pastel agate]

It’s not bad!

Offers a lot of flexibility

[tall blaze]

Probably cutting great henge and profts

[clear aspen]

Yea I’m debating heavily. Cut ouroboroid for glen elendra guardian but man cuts are real hard for this deck cause I’ve optimized it so much.

[tall blaze]

Same feeling

Mine is a solid counters deck now

I dunno if I want to go the flurry route

I feel like it's less good at comeback

If your flash enablers get hit you're not gonna be performing

Also you probably run more mana rocks in flurry since you have second spell costs two less stuff

I love my land ramp so much though

I guess storm of Saruman is actually a win con

[pastel agate]

I mean my flash enablers more just quadruple what I’m doing

I don’t need them

[tall blaze]

My curve is really low so I end up hellbent fast if I don't get a draw engine up

[clear aspen]

This is where I’m sitting currently.

https://archidekt.com/decks/10779144/bunnyflowers_

[tall blaze]

Have you managed to get reps in on the deck?

[pastel agate]

Yeah

It digs really well

And i have several ways to win

[clear aspen]

She’s already got such a high win rate I just can’t help but adjust her she’s my baby

[tall blaze]

Yeah I was thinking about [[minn, wily]] in flurry

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/16/minn-wily-illusionist

Minn, Wily Illusionist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Wizard
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 1/1 blue Illusion creature token with "This token gets +1/+0 for each other Illusion you control."
Whenever an Illusion you control dies, you may put a permanent card with mana value less than or equal to that creature's power from your hand onto the battlefield.
1/3

[tall blaze]

Jolrael does similar I guess

Oh yours looks a lot like the token version I thought about a while back

We don't have enough support for that archetype back then

But now we do

Seedborn feels like an I win card if it sticks

I really should get some og duals

I was planning on making my Jin Sakai deck but maybe I just instead focus on tuning up my classics

[clear aspen]

I mean they good but nowhere near worth the price and like there are so many good dual lands these days with shocks, surveils, fetch’s, and bond lands. I just don’t see the need

[pastel agate]

Cosmogrand zenith is insane too

[clear aspen]

But I mean proxy them to your hearts content (I can say that right?)

Id rather spend that money on my raised foil bumble eventually! I honestly don’t ever see myself taking this deck apart.

[pastel agate]

Ye

[tall blaze]

I just like them as a concept and I am probably dumping my final fantasy surge foil collection to get them

Can buy half of them just with my surge foils!

[clear aspen]

Ahhh that makes sense! Well in that case go for it. Magic cards are meant to be played with.

[tall blaze]

Exactly. My surges just sit in a box

[sly torrent]

I'm mostly in on counters as well, and I always have fun playing it.

[tall blaze]

@pastel agate how do you feel about jolrael? Seems pretty okayish but not sure if its worth the slot

[pastel agate]

Haven’t gotten it out yet but I feel like it’s a good finisher

[clear aspen]

How do we feel about [[Loch mare]] ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ecl/57/loch-mare

Loch Mare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Horse Serpent
This creature enters with three -1/-1 counters on it.
, Remove a counter from this creature: Draw a card.
, Remove two counters from this creature: Tap target creature. Put a stun counter on it. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
4/5

[pastel agate]

A lot of mana

Idk, I'm not a fan but it could be good

[sand island]

Yeah I don't like it

That's a lot of mana for basically nothing

[clear aspen]

I was kind of on the fence too. I don’t like having to pay money to activate abilities when I am trying to cast at least 2 spells each turn

[sand island]

Yeah, I'd typically prefer something like [[view from above]] for the same cost, but it triggers all your effects.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[clear aspen]

How have I not seen this card that card is pretty nuts

Like that’s pretty awesome for off turn bumble activation

[sand island]

Also consider [[white lion]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

[pastel agate]

Yeah my current list has view, lion, and shrieking drake

That means 8 cards a turn rotation if nothing else

[sand island]

^^

[clear aspen]

I had whiteman lion but ended up cutting it.

[sly torrent]

whitemane is super op

It wins game when you can repeat cast a bunch to put enough counters on bumbles to push lethal

[tulip rapids]

What gives you the mana to repeat cast it?

[pastel agate]

Lands, mana rocks, dorks, etc?..

Like you're saving your mana to hold up either interaction or to drop whitemane a couple times

[tulip rapids]

Forgive me, I am "functioning" on only like 3 hours worth of solid sleep atm xD

[pastel agate]

All good

There's no combo here, my Bumble especially is no-combo

[tulip rapids]

Nice fair magic

[pastel agate]

Well... "fair"

But eyah

I'm giving away a lot of cards, but I also draw a LOT of cards

[sly torrent]

It can just be a late game mana sink that can push for commander damage wins very quickly

But also lets you repeatedly cast on opponents' turns to easily trigger "draw second card" effects or to hold up for interaction and then mana sink if you dont use it

if you have a counter doubler in play it really goes ham

[clear aspen]

Hmmm maybe I’ll re add it but I just remember being underwhelmed

[pastel agate]

It is underwhelming but it’s more of a safety valve than anything

[clear aspen]

Yeaa my decklist is so tight now that I really don’t have room for that. I’d be closer to adding [[Dawn’s Truce]] as an additional protection piece over whitemane lion.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/9/dawns-truce

Dawn's Truce <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
You and permanents you control gain hexproof until end of turn. If the gift was promised, permanents you control also gain indestructible until end of turn.

[sly torrent]

Why not both?

[pastel agate]

So I've been thinking

I feel like Bumble could use a [[Ghost Vacuum]] style effect

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/248/ghost-vacuum

Ghost Vacuum <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Put each creature card exiled with this artifact onto the battlefield under your control with a flying counter on it. Each of them is a 1/1 Spirit in addition to its other types. Activate only as a sorcery.

[pastel agate]

Mutagen tokens are cool

[naive basin]

bunny time marking this thread for future reference

[pastel agate]

Hell yeah. Make sure to post your decklist, and check out the pinned messages for other's people's brews

[naive basin]

im seein a lot of voltron building for bumble here

[pastel agate]

There's a good bit, yeah. I had a +1/+1 counters build focusing on putting counters somewhere else

I know there is also builds for mill, superfriends, and my current one is Flurry

[naive basin]

whats flurry?

[pastel agate]

[[aligned heart]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/12/aligned-heart

Aligned Heart <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, put a rally counter on this enchantment. Then create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess for each rally counter on it. (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, the token gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When hearts and minds align, so too do actions.

[pastel agate]

Basically stuff that synergizes with casting your second spell each turn

[naive basin]

oh wow

i see i see

[pastel agate]

oh shoot! I haven't pinned my newest creation

https://moxfield.com/decks/yfGqcmk0JESDFwpxlseQgg

[tall blaze]

You mean like [[agathas soul cauldron]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/242/agathas-soul-cauldron

Agatha's Soul Cauldron <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.

[pastel agate]

Yeah

I just don't like that you have to exile a creature

But it could be good

And I'm sure you'd even oops into some combos too

[tall blaze]

Exile someone's mana dorks ezpz

[pastel agate]

V true

I do like that idea

Hm

Hell, exile our own mana dorks

[tall blaze]

Yup