I hate that my brain is like challenge impossible to "wincon that isn't about storm or labman with Elsha"
#TheCrimsonChariot's Decklist Thread
wooden schoonerBOT
fleet brook
I can just add Approach of the second run
night vale
[[Narset, Enlightened Exile]] or [[Brudiclad]] also don't hurt
night vale
But I know from experience you don't want to add creatures to her if you don't have to
fleet brook
mostly trying to avoid having another wincon rely on Aetherflux Reservoir. I dont run grapeshot because im not always casting spells in the deck. Im just usually drawing and passing and playing mostly control shenanigans until I can win
night vale
[[Birgi]] would be better than the faerie I think
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — God
Whenever you cast a spell, add 
. Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end.
Creatures you control can boast twice during each of your turns rather than once.
"This is a tale to make all Kaldheim tremble..."
3/3
Harnfel, Horn of Bounty 
Legendary Artifact
Discard a card: Exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn.
Like her well of stories, Birgi's horn never runs dry.
fleet brook
saved it
looking at Elminster to see how he winds
hmm Token Subtheme?
this is my lowest mana-Curved deck in my collection
Theres a wayu with witty roastmaster and stuff
Oh, I can add [[Kykar Winds]] to storm off with the top
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying.
Sacrifice a Spirit: Add .
"The raging gale fans the flames of righteous wrath."
3/3
fleet brook
That or I can add Reckless Fireweaver and win with endless ETB top triggers
fleet brook
The addition of Kykar helped me today. Though getting to Reckless Fireweaver was an issue. My Aetherflux was milled then exiled, so getting to the win was harder
fleet brook
So i got [[Madame Vastra]] + [[Jenny Flint]]
fleet brook
Not sure what way to take it. Trying to not go full on tokens again.
supple scroll
Could do fight club
supple scroll
+1/+1 counters?
fleet brook
I have a lot of support for that. I also thought goad
supple scroll
I prefer 5c goad/combat shenanigans but Temur is pretty solid for it too
I think naya is the best 3c for it but Temur is definitely second
fleet brook
I like Temur. PLus Izzet has a lot of goad abilities anyway
green for ramp and a way to make Madame Vastra bigger. 
Started doing something
imma see what I can do
yeah IDK what do. list is similar to the Bant Docotor deck
fleet brook
this is what I have so far
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vc36gPx4AUKkldfiHx8gSg
fleet brook
if I can make this deck work, this will be the lowest average mana deck I'd own
night vale
Link doesn't work
night vale
What about [[strax]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Alien Cleric
Vigilance, trample
Grenades! — 
, 
, Sacrifice an artifact: Choose a player at random. When you do, Strax fights another target creature that player controls.
Glory of Battle — Whenever Strax deals damage to a creature, put a +1/+1 counter on Strax.
5/5
night vale
Probably instead of Duggan
fleet brook
Don’t like the randomness
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Artifacts you control are Clues in addition to their other types and have ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card."
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, target creature can't be blocked this turn.
3/4
night vale
Just makes food and treasure also clues for the 500 year diary
fleet brook
Holy shit!!!! Dammit!
night vale
She's in the Clue game
Green also does something with artifact tokens but not fully revealed in text
You can see most of the text in the preview picture
fleet brook
Ummm when does she release?
night vale
February
It's more of a "keep her in mind with what you're building to have a spot for her"
fleet brook
Makes sense. I’ve been wanting for a bit something that made everything clues for the Bant doctor deck and here it is. Nice.
fleet brook
I need to rebuild Sanwell from the ground up. The core idea is there, but... i need to add more rocks and cut some stuff. I just need to re-do it anyway.
fleet brook
Got my Pixel Lands Secret Lair
fleet brook
Also got an Old Gnawbone for 3Rd Doctor / Jane Smith
fleet brook
deck's slower than I thought it would. HMM
night vale
How is it being slow
fleet brook
last few playtests I dont get much in the way of generating clues/foods
or lands in hands. this run im doing now seems to be working tho.
gotta figure out what to add to give vastra first strike
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever one or more creatures you control fight or become blocked, draw a card.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may pay 
. If you do, double target creature's power until end of turn. That creature must be blocked this combat if able. ( can be paid with either or 
.)
3/3
fleet brook
Considered it but decided against it. it does work well with vastra tho.
night vale
[[Lizard-blades]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Artifact Creature — Equipment Lizard
Double strike
Equipped creature has double strike.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1
fleet brook
yeah I can add those. will also need to add more card draw... hmm
night vale
[[Keen sense]] [[curiosity]]
night vale
[[General Marhault Elsdragon]]
wooden schoonerBOT
fleet brook
added thme both. Cut Gingerbrute and Wavesifter
cut galadriel for him
thinking adding [[Hunter's Insight]]
wooden schoonerBOT
fleet brook
also trying to keep cmc below 5 so yah'
night vale
[[Lure]] [[nemesis mask]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Artifact — Equipment
All creatures able to block equipped creature do so.
Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters the battlefield unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)
fleet brook
i mean, vastra has that built in already.
night vale
No she has to only be blocked by one creature
night vale
She and Urza both work for colors
fleet brook
yeah. I already added urza to the deck. I will need to get another meria but eh not hard
IDK if Reckless Fireweaver is a good fit for the deck. I don't have any infinites that would warrant having him
wooden schoonerBOT
Creature — Cat
: You may return another creature you control to its owner's hand. If you do, Temur Sabertooth gains indestructible until end of turn.
The Temur see themselves as a pack, their bonds more primal than the Abzan's.
4/3
fleet brook
cut him for a rock
night vale
You could almost get it with a mana doubler, academy manufactor and tough cookie. But that's not good enough
fleet brook
yeah. not worth investing a lot into it.
I wonder if I should add some tutors. i dont see how it would help tho.
also considering cutting Oko, but he's a lignify on a body
night vale
Lizard blades instead of the flameweaver
night vale
[[Relic of legends]] instead of one of the talismans?
wooden schoonerBOT
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
Tap an untapped legendary creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"If the worst parts of history can repeat themselves, it stands to reason that the best parts can as well." —Teferi
night vale
You have 14 legends excluding your commanders
fleet brook
yeah. I also saw [[Last Night Together]] which can be fire
wooden schoonerBOT
night vale
[[Leyline immersion]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant legendary creature
Enchanted creature has ward and ": Add five mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast spells."
When Nissa tapped into Zhalfir's leylines, she was shocked to feel not a piece of Dominaria, but a plane all its own.
wooden schoonerBOT
Sorcery
Target noncreature artifact you control becomes a 0/0 artifact creature. Put four +1/+1 counters on each artifact that became a creature this way.
Overload 
(You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
fleet brook
Ive seen it but never felt like adding it. Rise and Shine would be neat if I made copious amounts to just leave laying about.
I want to mainly be generating and sacking them to other effects
Hence why Clan Crafter is in the dekc.
[[Tarrian's Soulcleaver]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has vigilance.
Whenever another artifact or creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
Tarrian's holy weapon still holds a fragment of his dark power... and his hunger.
night vale
Maybe Rhythm of the Wild instead of clan crafter?
fleet brook
Clan Crafter has helped during playtesting so hence why i keep it
it adds counters to the commanders, making them bigger, and also gives me card draw
and also triggers Jenny Flint
night vale
Right, Jenny has the sac clause
fleet brook
I had to add another sack outlet to the deck. I end up with all these food and clues I want to sack but not really spend mana to sack them and then they get stuck
Added trading Post. At least is 1 mana draw. Trying my damndest to not add KCI but its so good
fleet brook
I got the Temur precon
night vale
The kci struggle
fleet brook
I think I will change the Meria deck into Temur stax/group slug.
Mainly because I need damn artifact tutors
fleet brook
Working on this out of spite. I’ll do something else with Temur.
night vale
I'd suggest [[Oath of Lieges]] instead of a basic
wooden schoonerBOT
fleet brook
lol thanks. i think I should take a break from commander for the remainder of the month. XD
fleet brook
and maybe meria in jenny flint wont work as I planned XD
fleet brook
this is what I have so far for the duo
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vc36gPx4AUKkldfiHx8gSg
night vale
lol thanks. i think I should take a break from commander for the remainder of th...
I mean, I understand reasons this could be but, any specific reasons for the break for the rest of the month?
fleet brook
holiday events, family, etc.
Im still goldfishing Vastra/Flint and its coming together better now and Im liking the results.
WIll probably build it on paper
OH and this is what I have for the Doctors deck
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S1fGu2dq0k-opZS85JKyvw
really hard now to lower the AVG CMC below 2
fleet brook
I mean, I understand reasons this could be but, any specific reasons for the bre...
jus that
night vale
Why under 2 in this?
fleet brook
Been trying to make decks more efficient. Idk why im so hung up on that. I guess is because my most cohesive decks have an avg mana of 1.70 min
night vale
I think you need to check about the mana production here and how that converts the actual mana.
Or like, average mana production by card
fleet brook
How so?
Sorry I was driving and couldnt reply well.
Well i have 47 sources of mana production and 11 card draw sources
fleet brook
Or like, average mana production by card
Oh. Just clicked with it. Hmm. It does feel like it doesn’t generate as much mana. Trying for the synnergy and such.
fleet brook
I got [[Mirri Weatherlight Duelist]] and a [[Kutzil Malamet]] for this deck. Though Idk if I should move more stuff around.
fleet brook
I also would like to add a Tarrian’s cleaver but the deck is at the point that is hard to cut stuff to try new things
fleet brook
Still testing out things in the doctor deck.
fleet brook
Golgari Zombies…?
fleet brook
Someone mentioned using Svara for the idea.
night vale
I could see Savra working
fleet brook
YeH. She was always interesting to me. Idk if I’ll make it soon but I’ll get a copy of svara soon. I still want to build Jenny Flint/Vastra first
fleet brook
I have the foil version of the secret lair of the galaxy artifacts and now I want to slot them all into a single deck. I’ll probably put them in this deck. Which starts another issue, time to upgrade it and what direction to take it into. It needs more card draw and I have not done much in terms of upgrades since I got it.
I want to keep the down-key group slug idea
fleet brook
I put the cards into Flamewar but still, would like to upgrade this deck
fleet brook
bumping this davros thing up.
wooden schoonerBOT
Artifact
, : Draw a card. This ability costs less to activate for each other artifact you control.
"We are opening a new chapter in the one true story of Phyrexia. Someone must record it for posterity." —Tamiyo
night vale
or [[Shimmer Dragon]]
wooden schoonerBOT
night vale
[[Reality Heist]] [[Forging the Anchor]] [[Machinate]] are also all great
wooden schoonerBOT
Instant
This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.
Look at the top seven cards of your library. You may reveal up to two artifact cards from among them and put them into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Kaito grabbed the chip, hoping it held answers.
night vale
[[Akal Pakal]]
wooden schoonerBOT
night vale
[[Akal Pakal, first among equals]]
wooden schoonerBOT
night vale
Which works on Missy's trigger if a non-artifact creature they control dies.
fleet brook
I like Machinate and Forging the Anchor. They look neat
I will also need to add more ways to deal damage other than end of turn and combat. Thought about adding cards like Painful Quandary, or well, effects like that.
night vale
That or some of the more classic artifact burns
[[Reckless Fireweaver]] [[Ghirapur Aethergrid]]
fleet brook
Sorry. Work got busy.
fleet brook
Been so busy I haven’t had time to sit down and work on it
fleet brook
So, I wanna add Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist to the Bant Doctor deck but the deck is so tuned idk what to cut
fleet brook
Never mind. Figured it out. Sort of
night vale
Oh?
fleet brook
Alright. So i’ve kept doing edits and such and I still struggle to close the game with this
fleet brook
Pivoting, I remade the Esper Urza deck. Will probably try it tonight and then post a list on Moxfield later. Also finally sleeved and did some edits to the Eowyn human deck. We'll see how that one fares as well.
night vale
I'm sorry that the one isn't working.
fleet brook
Its fine. I will probably take it apart and rebuild it as a Clue main focused deck from the ground up. I will probably need help since coming up with a good closeout game combo in those colors is hard for me.
Probably focus it more on tokens.
fleet brook
trying also to make a cheap mono-black deck (because I have way too many basic swamps laying about) and I would like some help. using Cabal Patriarch as the commander.
dark vapor
[[Cabal Patriarch]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
, Sacrifice a creature: Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn.
, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn.
5/5
fleet brook
mostly focusing on the sacking part
dark vapor
Well getting recurrable sac pieces is key.
fleet brook
yeah. im not good with certain colors as mono-color and I want a deck where I can actually play Soldevi Adnate and capitalize on it.
night vale
I'd definitely put mono-B ashnod in this
If you're using skeletons you can at least use her to make ways to pay for the ability.
And resurrecting them.
fleet brook
im still not sure anymore what commander to go for. I do have Shirei at home and I can build something Janky AF with it.
night vale
I thought you said the patriarch was going to be the commander
fleet brook
I have a lot of ideas running about. I want to do a sack theme
just still unsure as to what commander to focus on.
sorry for being all over the place
fleet brook
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vir4gVhhvEymQqE0qq3e1A
@night vale didn’t go to the store but did put online the new Urza deck.
fleet brook
Here’s the slightly upgraded precon.
fleet brook
Broke apart trostani deck and built Kutzil. We’ll see how it goes
fleet brook
and this is the Jodah deck. I broke a few decks down and built these up from the scraps
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0Thl-FERAUKHKWvIKt50eA
night vale
I like how the Urza list has come together
So, Kutzil
I'm confused by Archangel of Thune
Because you have one way of gaining life
beyond itself
fleet brook
I only added it because I had it and I was missing a spot for buffs. I have a master list I will build towards. Gimme a sec to go get it
fleet brook
I like how the Urza list has come together
idea originally was Azorius Urza buff deck but I also wanted access to black so I decided to put him in the 99. Broke apart my mono-white Sanwell deck to make this.
Also forgot to add Tezzeret Dimir that deals damage equal to the amount of artifacts you have in play to all players.
night vale
OK
I was thinking that some soul sisters might make sense with kutzil and the archangel
or [[Case of the uneaten feast]]
wooden schoonerBOT
night vale
but a lifegain deck is a pretty different direction
fleet brook
yeah. I do want to make a lifegain deck with [[Trostani, Selesnya]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Dryad
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
, : Populate. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
There are no soloists in the chorus of Selesnya.
2/5
fleet brook
but thats a later thing.
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Elephant Warrior
This spell costs less to cast for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
"I stand with every member of my clan, and they stand with me."
5/5
fleet brook
I broke apart a few decks to make these new four decks. I wanted to try new things with decks I wasn't using
I’ve tried to use Hamza but i had a bad experience with it so I stopped using him.
night vale
Oh?
fleet brook
Also considering breaking apart a few token decks to remake the doctor clue deck and Jinnie Fay decks.
fleet brook
Oh?
I added it to a deck and it ended up stuck in my hand way too often to make a difference
night vale
Ahh
fleet brook
yeah, it was either I drew it and someone boardwiped before I played it, or I drew it and had no way to make counters./
but its fine.
fleet brook
Going to start working on the doctor deck to make it more token focused
fleet brook
updated it to this. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S1fGu2dq0k-opZS85JKyvw
night vale
KCI surprises me at this point
fleet brook
Lol why? (TBH i tended to have tokens I didn't want to crack for their effects and wanted to use for mana instead.)
night vale
Mainly because I view it as a deck where you're going to be accumulating them for value overall and KCI is something I'm used to using for burst mana and recursion.
Also that no [[Sophia]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Detective
When Sophia, Dogged Detective enters the battlefield, create Tiny, a legendary 2/2 green Dog Detective creature token with trample.
, Sacrifice an artifact token: Put a +1/+1 counter on each Dog you control.
Whenever a Dog you control deals combat damage to a player, create a Food token, then investigate.
3/4
fleet brook
i have not bought the deep clue sea deck because 90% of the cards I already have. Will be buying the merfolk and her next week as singles
for this deck and make more changes
night vale
Fish Vedalken 😆
fleet brook
???
I have considered making him the commander of this deck, but I like Sara as the face commander tbh
night vale
[[morska]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Vedalken Fish Detective
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of your upkeep, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, put two +1/+1 counters on Morska, Undersea Sleuth.
2/3
night vale
Gavin Verhey Tweeted after the box art was revealed that it wasn't a merf
fleet brook
I noticed most of the good stuff is cheap. Unsure if I should get another heroe's podium for this deck. Since most creatures are legendary anyway
fleet brook
@night vale yesterday for some reason my brain wanted to make a mardu artifact recursion deck with Ravos in the command zone and someone else.
wooden schoonerBOT
fleet brook
I know. My brain is just fucking werid
night vale
It's an interesting thought experiment
fleet brook
Imma dig around and see. My brain thought about Rohgak since its the one I have, or Jeska Thrice Reborb
supple scroll
<@425497578050945025> yesterday for some reason my brain wanted to make a mardu ...
Ravos//[[akiri line slinger]]?
wooden schoonerBOT
supple scroll
Both get beeg, then you can basically just run mardu artifact creatures
fleet brook
imma try making a list with it. Idea would be playing more on the rakdos side of attack, dying, then recur stuff
Also, Jinnie Fay remake https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Zz-ySvPQnUSU892S1M0N1g
fleet brook
Ravos//[[akiri line slinger]]?
what I have so far
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PjRvMtdI7EeOja-ObZXXiw
night vale
How has the Jinnie Fay deck played? It's a very different from the one I made.
So I'm having problems reading it.
fleet brook
All the decks I've posted so far I have not played yet. I've been breaking apart old decks I don't play often to make them. I'm playing it tonight and I will let you know
fleet brook
I forgot the deck at home 😦
fleet brook
Brought it today
fleet brook
And didn’t play it. I played Urza Esper and i found the problem of card draw, so I will need to cut cards to add more card draw to the deck. I’ve thought about adding [[Maernus Calgar]]
wooden schoonerBOT
fleet brook
[[Marneus Calgar]]
wooden schoonerBOT
Legendary Creature — Astartes Warrior
Double strike
Master Tactician — Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your control, draw a card.
Chapter Master — 
: Create two 2/2 white Astartes Warrior creature tokens with vigilance.
3/5
fleet brook
Yeah. Been going back and forth with the doctor deck. I think I’ll try using Tymna/Kydele for a list since so far it doesn’t seem to work for me in bant colors
fleet brook
Just frustrated with the deck is all
night vale
Some decks are horrible to get to the place you want them.
I had to rebuild Narci 4 times
fleet brook
Yeah.
I’ve been tweaking it back and forth. Thing is if I add black, I will have to focus more on more aggressive card draw, which I feel will make the deck more reliant on spells than clues
I could switch it around for the new commander but idk.
night vale
I need to sit down and goldfish that. I keep looking at it and it feels off, but I'm not sure where
fleet brook
Yeah i keep playing it but it never keeps up with the table. I always end up playing Board-Police with it for some reason
fleet brook
I also for some reason always draw my Simic lands. 
and not my lands that also tap for white but thats most likely me not shuffling right
night vale
hmm
night vale
So, one thing I'm finding when I generate hands is there aren't many that I'd consider keepable.
They have one of the following problems: don't have enough mana generation, don't have the right color of mana, or doesn't have a playable progression from hand.
Stuff like it will be 3 lands, soulcleaver, akroma's memorial and rise and shine
I'm trying to figure out why it's having that problem.
This is one of the ones I'd really consider keepable after generating 10+ hands
fleet brook
i kept it mostly because "it wins games at least"
fleet brook
I think you've got a lot of "mana crimes" cards
???
night vale
Akroma's Memorial is a card I"m used to being run with things like show and tell or [[Braids|TSP]]
wooden schoonerBOT
night vale
Blue braids
Maldhound calls them cards you're committing mana crimes to play
My husband has latched onto it
fleet brook
Alright. My goal is to get better win cons and make it more consistent. I do have a Chromatic Lantern I took out to test stuff so I'll put it back in when I get home, but I'll do the change now and remove memorial
night vale
Would you be interested in me taking a stab at cuts?
I wouldn't add new cards in, but just cards that don't seem to work
fleet brook
You can go right ahead.
fleet brook
just let me know when youre done
fleet brook
Working on this list at the moment for a future project.
Finally got the commander so I though i'd make a list